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[02:31:38] <jepler> cradek: I suspect you and skunkworks both replaced the index-mask firmwares with non-index-mask firmwares manually
[02:32:07] <cradek> jepler: it's not really possible to know the past, is it
[02:32:15] <jepler> as far as I can tell from git archaeology the official IM firmware always had the index mask pins specified
[02:32:32] <jepler> but on the other hand, the zip file that skunkworks used had the non-IM firmware name in it
[02:32:33] <cradek> ok
[02:32:36] <cradek> sorry for the swirl then
[02:32:42] <jepler> so you'd have had to rename the BIT file instead of changing your hal file
[02:33:09] <cradek> hmm
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[02:33:52] <cradek> the new touchy jogging thing works right - it's nice
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[02:51:49] <jepler> when the special function is an output -- like stepgen "step" -- you obviously have to choose whether the GPIO value or the stepgen value is actually visible on the fpga pin
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[02:53:07] <jepler> but when it's an input, it seems like the same value can be routed to GPIO and to special function
[02:54:00] <jepler> related? commit eaa34efb
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[02:56:08] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: is it to the point I should start my buildslaves again?
[02:56:36] <seb_kuzminsky> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/waterfall
[02:56:59] <seb_kuzminsky> i think it no longer makes sense to have buildslaves remote from the buildmaster
[02:57:16] <seb_kuzminsky> at least not for deb-building slaves
[02:57:23] <seb_kuzminsky> they'd have to upload the debs to my house
[02:57:52] <seb_kuzminsky> i got a nice server as a kind of severance package from my old job, so i've got plenty of cpus to run the entire build cluster now
[02:58:01] <cradek> woo
[02:59:20] <jepler> I'll leave my buildslaves in deep sleep, then
[03:01:04] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm not sure yet how badly it'll suck for users to download debs from me, and for me to have them download debs from me...
[03:01:20] <cradek> billions served?
[03:01:24] <jepler> it'll suck.
[03:01:34] <seb_kuzminsky> we broke 1000 debs downloaded just before i turned it off
[03:01:45] <jepler> I strongly suspect we'll want to arrange for you to rsync the deb repository to a dreamhost system
[03:01:47] <cradek> I was sad to sloooowly build my own deb today
[03:01:52] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[03:02:11] <jepler> though that kind of assumes it's more than one download per deb :-P
[03:02:12] <cradek> a download at almost any speed would have been faster...
[03:02:13] <seb_kuzminsky> i was sad to break the build the other night and have someone notice before i did
[03:02:30] <cradek> yeah, that hurts
[03:03:00] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, 2.4 built & passed tests, now packaging... :-D
[03:03:35] <cradek> yay for tests
[03:05:05] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: my outgoing link is about 70 kB/s, so those 14 MB debs will take 3.5 mins or so to download
[03:05:19] <seb_kuzminsky> that's if no one in my house is using the link...
[03:05:39] <seb_kuzminsky> oops
[03:06:10] <cradek> sounds like a good excuse for upgrading it
[03:06:44] <seb_kuzminsky> i've been talking to the neighbors about all going in together on a faster network hookup
[03:06:56] <cradek> that sounds neat
[03:07:01] <cradek> I would have never though of that
[03:07:21] <seb_kuzminsky> it may be a, ahem, *pipe* dream
[03:07:27] <cradek> ha
[03:07:27] * seb_kuzminsky rimshots
[03:07:28] <jepler> *groan*
[03:07:32] <cradek> wow
[03:27:16] <seb_kuzminsky> 90 kB/s pulling debs from the new buildbot, a bit better than i had thought
[03:29:11] <seb_kuzminsky> i made the apt urls simpler:
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[03:31:16] <cradek> nice
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[04:07:51] <seb_kuzminsky> fresh 2.4 debs are available on the buildbot for the first time in a month, master coming up :-)
[04:11:57] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm off to connor o'neills for bangers and mash and a pint of beer, anyone want to join me?
[04:12:39] <seb_kuzminsky> no? just me then, see y'all later!
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[14:19:20] <jthornton> anyone know what encoder.<chan>.latch-falling, input, and rising does/is? I'm trying to update the encoder section of the manual.
[14:19:34] <jthornton> I'll read back when I return from the dentist :/
[14:25:41] <mhaberler> can anybody confirm o-sub calling by filename still works in current master?
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[14:31:51] <mhaberler> o-word sub call: to be specific: call from MDI seems broken, call from another sub works
[14:32:05] <mhaberler> error: file not open
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[14:47:56] <mhaberler> verified. calling an o-word sub from MDI fails if ini DISPLAY/OPEN_FILE points to a nonexistant ngc file.
[14:57:43] <jepler> jthornton: latch-input, latch-falling, latch-rising, counts-latched and position-latched are all documented in extreme short-hand in the encoder(9) manpage.
[14:58:27] <jepler> jthornton: at one point, I was working on a feature that had the potential to improve the precision of G38.x probe results
[14:59:03] <jepler> jthornton: recall that encoder "home to index" can be more accurate than "home to switch", in part because the encoder index pulse is checked at every edge of the encoder signal, rather than at every servo cycle
[14:59:51] <jepler> jthornton: basically, I wanted to extend this concept to a probing move: when supported by the encoder component, you would hook the probe input to the encoder counter (.latch-input)
[15:00:13] <jepler> jthornton: when doing a probing move, motion would turn on latch-falling or latch-rising depending whether the probe was away or towards
[15:00:25] <jepler> jthornton: and instead of reading the feedback position for the probed position, it would read position-latched
[15:01:06] <jepler> jthornton: however, when it came to writing the part of this that goes in the realtime motion controller I ran into bugs that I wasn't able to immediately solve, so that part was never written
[15:02:44] <jepler> jthornton: so there's no particular *use* for these latch-related pins in emc2 at all
[15:03:56] <jepler> for that matter, those pins should *not* be considered part of the "canonical encoder interface"
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[15:50:37] <mhaberler> jepler: a while ago you fixed the odd realloc() in task/iointf.cc sendCommand()
[15:50:39] <mhaberler> I think the corresponding forceCommand() strangeness deserves similar treatment:
http://git.mah.priv.at/gitweb/emc2-dev.git/commit/3ea4dff683629275ee9c183a85314b809639967b
[15:51:53] <jepler> hmmmm
[15:52:05] <jepler> looks like last_io_command_size is never set
[15:52:27] <jepler> so first I'd fix my fix to be right, then maybe copy it for forceCommand :-/
[15:52:56] <mhaberler> fair enough - bug consistency is important ;-)
[15:53:33] <jepler> should it be more like this instead?
[15:53:34] <jepler> + if (largest_io_command_size < msg->size) {
[15:53:34] <jepler> + largest_io_command_size = std::max<long>(msg->size, 4096);
[15:53:34] <jepler> + last_io_command = (RCS_CMD_MSG *) realloc(last_io_command, largest_io_command_size);
[15:55:36] <psha> jepler: have you tried RST for some docs?
[15:55:37] <mhaberler> sounds more like it
[15:55:56] <jepler> psha: no, I have never seriously used asciidoc or rst.
[15:56:54] <psha> i've looked into some rst docs but have not used it
[15:57:43] <psha> it seem as expressive as asciidoc but this is not authorative...
[15:58:23] <psha> markdown toolchains seem inferior to both rst and asciidoc
[16:00:21] <psha> at least in pdf part
[16:00:42] <psha> html part is good - markdown seem to be very widespread for html formatating
[16:00:48] <psha> like github, wiki's, etc
[16:03:10] <jepler> bbl, meeting time
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[16:43:05] <micges> hi seb
[16:43:05] <jepler> hi seb
[16:43:14] <seb_kuzminsky> morning guys
[16:43:23] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: I'm *this close* to pushing a fix for 8.04 builds (check for hidraw.h in configure, disable driver if it's not there)
[16:43:38] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: so unless you're also about to do so, I expect to push it soon
[16:43:42] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, thanks
[16:44:35] <seb_kuzminsky> i was thinking that maybe the new hidraw interface is available in hardy's older hid headers somewhere
[16:45:02] <seb_kuzminsky> there was some old docs that metioned the hidraw ioctls in other headers, but i dont remember the particulars now
[16:45:55] <jepler> no hits on an 8.04/i386 system: grep HIDIOCGRAWINFO /usr/include/linux/*
[16:46:12] <seb_kuzminsky> ok maybe i'm smoking crack
[16:46:13] <psha> jepler: -R is not needed?
[16:46:45] <jepler> psha: still no hits
[16:48:14] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: can you manipulate the emc-commit mailing list membership?
[16:48:42] <seb_kuzminsky> i think i have outgoing mail frmo buildbot.linuxcnc.org mostly set up, and i want to subscribe
[email protected] to the list so it can send out failure emails
[16:48:51] <seb_kuzminsky> but i dont have the return path set up yet
[16:48:59] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe i should just do that instead of bother you
[16:48:59] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: let me see if I can do that
[16:49:00] <seb_kuzminsky> nm
[16:51:49] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: I don't seem to know the list administrator password on sourceforge :(
[16:51:59] <jepler> alex_joni: maybe yo udo?
[16:57:28] <seb_kuzminsky> hm, i'm using dyndns sendlabs for highlab.com mx, and i dont know how to teach it to also accept buildbot.linuxcnc.org
[17:01:07] <psha> jepler: how to use your lyx2html convertor?
[17:01:46] <jepler> psha: it's really only set up to be used by the build process with --enable-build-documentation or --enable-build-documentation=html
[17:03:38] <jepler> basically, the script 'lyxtree' converts the lyx to an ad-hoc xml format, then xsltproc uses a stylesheet to turn that into html
[17:03:51] <jepler> that uses some other xml files such as xref.py, which says what labels/anchors are in what file
[17:05:08] <psha> so some links will be internal and some -external?
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[17:05:36] <jepler> right -- in its ultimate html output, you can have a link that says "see section xyz" which goes to a different html page, and a link that says "see section abc" and which links inside this page
[17:05:41] <seb_kuzminsky> ok i think i need help from the linuxcnc.org hostmaster
[17:06:07] <seb_kuzminsky> i need mx records for buildbot.linuxcnc.org to point to my sendlabs gateway
[17:06:18] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: that'd be SWPadnos you need, then
[17:06:20] <seb_kuzminsky> SWPadnos: are you around?
[17:06:34] <psha> jepler: links are problematic with light markup too...
[17:06:51] <psha> at least when compiling via docbook it's complaining loudly about dangling links
[17:07:04] <jepler> if you can't link from one html page to another html page, that stinks
[17:07:07] <seb_kuzminsky> either that, or hack the emc-commit membership manually, either should work
[17:08:55] <psha> i mean links like latex \ref
[17:09:08] <psha> that are used to link to sections, images, etc
[17:09:45] <psha> by default they are converted either to <a href='#ref-name'>ref-name</a>
[17:09:56] <psha> and in docbook mode theny are converted to docbook xrefs
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[17:34:46] <jepler> ugh
[17:34:47] <jepler> N..... MESSAGE(" Should be 0 0: 0.000000 0.000000")
[17:34:47] <jepler> - N..... SET_G5X_OFFSET(1, 0.0000, 0.0000, 0.0000, 0.0000, 0.0000, 0.0000)
[17:34:47] <jepler> + N..... SET_G5X_OFFSET(1, 0.0000, -0.0000, 0.0000, 0.0000, 0.0000, 0.0000)
[17:34:59] <jepler> Runtest: 44 tests run, 41 successful, 3 failed + 0 expected
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[17:39:10] <CIA-53> EMC: 03jepler 07master * r4570332ff89e 10/docs/man/man9/encoder.9: remove stray sentence
[17:39:11] <CIA-53> EMC: 03jepler 07master * rc317adcd0a80 10/src/ (Makefile.inc.in configure.in): shuttlexpress: detect working <linux/hidraw.h>
[17:39:12] <CIA-53> EMC: 03jepler 07master * r191dcc3aa715 10/src/hal/user_comps/Submakefile: shuttlexpress: put related lines together
[17:39:13] <CIA-53> EMC: 03jepler 07master * r0c0aded87d6b 10/src/hal/user_comps/Submakefile: shuttlexpress: only build when hidraw.h is available
[17:39:14] <CIA-53> EMC: 03jepler 07master * rc92ed0062a63 10/src/emc/task/iotaskintf.cc: milltask: don't overrun an allocation
[17:39:15] <CIA-53> EMC: 03jepler 07master * raf0999643007 10/src/emc/task/iotaskintf.cc: milltask: last_io_command in forceCommand
[17:39:17] <CIA-53> EMC: 03jepler 07master * r4ff339baf517 10/scripts/halrun.in: halrun: bail if 'realtime start' fails
[17:39:18] <CIA-53> EMC: 03jepler 07master * rc8a4e8326cba 10/scripts/realtime.in: realtime: bail if the kernel version is wrong
[17:39:31] <jepler> .. master builds on 8.04 again, but fails runtest due to the sign of zero in several places
[17:43:34] <cradek> weird
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[17:54:40] <jepler> -rotate[-45.0000] 0.7071 0.7071 -> 1.0000 0.0000
[17:54:42] <jepler> +rotate[-45.0000] 0.7071 0.7071 -> 1.0000 -0.0000
[17:59:02] <jepler> -rotate[-0X1.68P+5] 0X1.6A09E667F3BCDP-1 0X1.6A09E667F3BCCP-1 -> 0X1P+0 0X0P+0
[17:59:07] <jepler> +rotate[-0X1.68P+5] 0X1.6A09E667F3BCDP-1 0X1.6A09E667F3BCCP-1 -> 0X1P+0 -0X1.0B8P-55
[18:18:55] <jthornton> jepler: thanks for the explanation on latch related pins. Will they be removed so they don't show up when someone looks with Show Hal Configuration or should I just note that the pins are not used at this time?
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[18:33:19] <cradek> jepler: what's the fix? I suppose rotate() could detect and fix it, but that seems weird
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[18:42:17] <psha> jepler: it seem that docutils are more extensible then asciidoc
[18:42:58] <psha> in former you may give python parsers, in later you may define matches and replacements
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[18:52:24] <jepler> cradek: yeah, that way lies madness
[18:53:18] <cradek> fix it in the test script then? or the sai printout?
[18:53:31] <jepler> s/-0.0000/ 0.0000/
[18:53:44] <jepler> er, no space, but you get the idea
[18:53:50] <cradek> \.
[18:53:57] <cradek> but yeah
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[19:12:15] <jepler> jthornton: I don't plan to remove them. Someday I might return to the improved probing. anyway, as far as I can tell the pins have been in a released version (all 2.4.x) so we can't remove them without creating incompatibilities
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[19:41:48] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: should cradek reenable the buildmaster notification on commit now?
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[20:21:36] <alex_joni> jepler: I do, still needed?
[20:28:34] <jthornton> jepler: ok, I'll note that they are not used at this time so if anyone "discovers" them and goes looking for what they do in the manuals.
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[21:01:38] <jepler> alex_joni: I think so
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[21:31:48] <alex_joni> anything specific? I didn't read closely
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[21:37:24] <psha> jepler: i've looked a bit at rst and it seem to be more extensible then asciidoc
[21:37:56] <psha> but you need to remember section underline symbols!
[21:38:11] <jepler> oh, I've used that kind of markup. what an irritation!
[21:40:28] <psha> both markdown and asciidoc allow 'prefix-style' sections
[21:40:40] <psha> == in AD, ## in markdown
[21:41:07] <psha> now i remember why i've not used rst ;)
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[21:51:27] <jepler> two things you might add to the criteria you're investigating: are these ASCII formats really as "stable" as their promotional material says; and how well (if at all) can the existing documentation URLs, including URLs with #anchors, be preserved?
[21:51:48] <jepler> bbl, time to go help someone plug in their internet
[21:51:54] <jthornton> I guess I'm dumber than a third grader... I can't for the life of me figure out what "canonical encoder interface" means... it seems that canonical has many meanings according to wikipedia
[21:52:43] * jthornton gets a beer and heads out to the shop to listen to Nascar or something
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[22:12:57] <psha> jepler: hm, they are pretty stable - they are all based on different practices of plain text formatting
[22:13:02] <psha> which are very old
[22:15:33] <psha> i've not seen any incompatible changes in asciidoc for ~3 years i'm working with it
[22:16:08] <psha> truly speaking i've not noticed any compatible changes too :) but i was using only subset of features
[22:16:31] <psha> there was something in tables i think
[22:16:38] <psha> i think same applies to RST too
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[22:34:58] <psha> as for links - i'm trying to find out is it possible to replace 'foreign' references (that points to other file when rendering separate pages) with links
[22:36:02] <psha> so it will be a) done in pristine format (ad, rst) b) as a consequence of a will be rendered ok in 'one big document' mode
[22:41:43] <psha> bb
[22:41:48] <psha> it's late here already
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[23:04:36] <KimK> Before compiling a driver (for Ubuntu 10.04/EMC2), the readme says I need to make a symbolic link to the kernel source directory. It suggests /usr/src/"something". Do I want to: (1) point at the existing /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-122-rtai directory, or (2) expand the rtai-source.tar.bz2 file that I see there and then point at that?
[23:06:47] <KimK> (Sorry if this is a noob question)
[23:08:25] <skunkworks> are you talking about compiling a comp?
[23:08:51] <skunkworks> Hi KimK \
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[23:09:36] <KimK> Hi Sam! No, this is a driver for a PCI card. My encoder input card project is getting underway, barely.
[23:13:34] <skunkworks> oh
[23:13:46] <skunkworks> the one from us digital?
[23:17:41] <KimK> Yeah, I finally got a "round tuit".
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[23:21:49] <skunkworks> we have that problem :)
[23:22:34] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: when you triggered the buildbot and it failed, it was because you didn't supply a branch to build, and some of my scripts don't know that that means "master"
[23:22:41] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll fix them now, hold on
[23:24:27] <skunkworks> KimK: did you see -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39q6kvrSBSk
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[23:25:18] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky: ^ the mesa stuff is awesome - thanks again for the drivers :)
[23:25:49] <seb_kuzminsky> yay! glad you like it :-)
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[23:34:34] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: can you try triggering again, the same way you did last time?
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[23:36:38] <KimK> skunkworks: No, I hadn't see that one yet. Nice, what size tap is that?
[23:36:54] <skunkworks> 1 inch
[23:37:22] <KimK> So what, 1-8?
[23:37:27] <skunkworks> yes
[23:37:38] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky: how is the bridgeport?
[23:37:41] <KimK> Ha, that's pretty darn big.
[23:37:55] <skunkworks> heh
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[23:39:11] <KimK> skunkworks: Much bigger and you'll be into helical thread milling, or some such.
[23:40:29] <skunkworks> yes - and we can do that now :) (could not do that before with a shared x and z servo)
[23:40:55] <skunkworks> well - we could but it would have taken forever. click click click click
[23:41:17] <KimK> Sam to tool supplier: "I need a 3-4 tap." Supplier: "Uh, you mean a 3/4" tap?" Sam: "No, I need a 3" tap, 4 pitch."
[23:41:32] <KimK> haha
[23:41:50] <skunkworks> :)
[23:42:45] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: it's ticking along :-)
[23:42:51] <seb_kuzminsky> with i had a tool changer like yours :-)
[23:42:57] <seb_kuzminsky> s/with/wish/
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