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[00:02:19] <seb_kuzminsky> hm, for some reason buildbot can't copy properties through Triggers :-(
[00:02:43] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: did you mean 5133 and not 51332 in your email?
[00:03:00] <seb_kuzminsky> so for now when you force builds, be sure to specify the branch you want to build, like this: /msg emc2-buildmaster force build master 'because i say so'
[00:03:04] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: yes please
[00:03:12] <cradek> ok
[00:03:23] <seb_kuzminsky> my cable modem won't port-forward above 49000 for some reason
[00:03:33] <seb_kuzminsky> oui oui, c'est tres fromage
[00:03:35] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl dinne
[00:04:00] <cradek> done
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[00:25:08] <seb_kuzminsky> ah oops
[00:25:18] <seb_kuzminsky> that's not how you use "force build"
[00:25:31] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, i taught it to use "master" if you don't specify a branch
[00:26:02] <seb_kuzminsky> so you can force a build now like this: /msg emc2-buildmaster force build master-checkin 'because unspecified branch works now'
[00:26:04] <seb_kuzminsky> ot
[00:26:14] <seb_kuzminsky> it'll build master by default and it'll work
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[00:34:40] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: I always break the buildbot when I try to use it :-/
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[01:25:54] <seb_kuzminsky> it's a bit brittle...
[01:26:07] <seb_kuzminsky> but now it's a bit less brittle
[01:26:20] <seb_kuzminsky> forcing a build without specifying a branch should work now
[01:26:36] <KimK> seb_kuzminsky: Hi Seb, if the buildbot is feeling better, have you got a minute?
[01:26:45] <seb_kuzminsky> i have about one minute before i gotta run
[01:26:48] <seb_kuzminsky> what's up? :-)
[01:28:21] <KimK> OK, then think about this. I've got the driver running again, so I'm now about back where I was when I had to quit on it. So are there two parts (RT and non-RT) to the -122 kernel? How can I tell what I'm running on? How can I test it on the RT side?
[01:29:01] <KimK> I mean, it couldn't be working in RT for "free" could it?
[01:29:14] <seb_kuzminsky> think of it as a regular non-realtime linux kernel, with the rtai realtime kernel running underneath
[01:29:19] <seb_kuzminsky> logically that's how it's set up
[01:29:47] <seb_kuzminsky> practically, though, all kernel code (linux and rtai) is loaded into the linux kernel as regular linux kernel modules
[01:29:52] <KimK> OK so drivers will likely connect with "the usual suspects", and not the RT part?
[01:29:58] <seb_kuzminsky> right
[01:30:41] <seb_kuzminsky> in this sense, your kernel driver will be realtime if you compile it with the emc2/rtai build system instead of the regular linux build system
[01:30:43] <KimK> OK. I'll have a "phony" git web server going before long and I'll send you an email. Or should I post to the list?
[01:31:09] <seb_kuzminsky> to the list might be better
[01:31:28] <KimK> OK. Thanks! Now you gotta go.
[01:32:19] <KimK> Bye
[01:32:39] <seb_kuzminsky> ok see ya kim :-)
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[06:21:19] <mhaberler> psha: hi!
[06:22:51] <psha> hi
[06:23:19] <psha> SWPLinux: logger_dev is down
[06:24:49] <mhaberler> I've completely rewritten the toolchange-osub stuff, it's now in http://git.mah.priv.at/gitweb/emc2-dev.git/shortlog/refs/heads/toolchange-osub-try2
[06:24:50] <mhaberler> I added a new NML message to convey the gcode sub call, which all works fine except the proper call in emctaskmain.cc ca line 1897
[06:24:52] <mhaberler> this is where I'm stuck
[06:26:44] <psha> fetching
[06:27:15] <mhaberler> if you try to reproduce, try emc owordm6.ini (see the RS274 N6_COMMAND, T_COMMAND ini defs
[06:28:48] <mhaberler> there are corresponding t.ngc and m6.ngc files in nc_files
[06:30:35] <psha> you hit 'FINISH' thing
[06:30:41] <psha> i guess
[06:30:42] <mhaberler> sort of
[06:30:56] <psha> why not to use EMC_TASK_PLAN_EXECUTE?
[06:31:13] <mhaberler> probably ok as well, I go from unknown to complex to simple...
[06:31:32] <psha> if you use EMC_TASK_PLAN_EXECUTE you'll hit this check
[06:31:40] <psha> if (emcStatus->task.mode != EMC_TASK_MODE_MDI) {
[06:31:41] <psha> emcOperatorError(0, _("Must be in MDI mode to issue MDI command"));
[06:32:13] <mhaberler> and then just fix up that, you mean? ok, will do
[06:33:16] <psha> you have to check is it possible to add new parameters to old messages
[06:33:25] <psha> or this break everything
[06:33:39] <mhaberler> ok, I'll rewrite it to queue an EMC_TASK_PLAN_EXECUTE, wasnt really awre it's already what I wanted.
[06:34:06] <mhaberler> parameters.. it's really only the pocket number in T<pocket> which could be affected
[06:34:15] <psha> no
[06:34:30] <psha> it's 'ignore check "mode == MDI_MODE"'
[06:34:51] <psha> just move it down the road
[06:34:56] <psha> rewrite not needed i guess
[06:35:26] <mhaberler> hm.. on what criteria ignore the check?
[06:35:44] <psha> why not to reuse same processing block?
[06:35:54] <psha> on 'Ignore this check!' flag :)
[06:36:15] <psha> or on some global var flushed in mdi_execute_abort function
[06:36:43] <psha> and flagged when your ..._GCODE_SUB message processed
[06:36:57] <psha> but global var is not good
[06:37:22] <mhaberler> oh, you mean leave the GCODE_SUB message and ignore if this message type was seen?
[06:38:30] <mhaberler> and handle in same case as TASK_PLAN_EXECUTE?
[06:39:11] <psha> yes
[06:39:50] <mhaberler> got it
[06:39:52] <mhaberler> btw I found a mdi call bug yesterday, but not a fix (just to keep you busy while I'm rewriting :-) see yesterdays log
[06:40:50] <mhaberler> probably in terms of pre- and postconditions I should handle the GCODE_SUB identical to TASK_PLAN_EXECUTE
[06:40:59] <psha> time?
[06:41:44] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23emc-devel/2011-01-17.html#14:25:41
[06:41:45] <psha> this one?
[06:41:51] <mhaberler> yes
[06:42:23] <psha> that's ok :)
[06:42:42] <mhaberler> this is it: verified. calling an o-word sub from MDI fails if ini DISPLAY/OPEN_FILE points to a nonexistant ngc file.
[06:42:43] <psha> since it's unable to return state to same as it was before call :)
[06:42:44] <mhaberler> OK? ??????
[06:43:07] <mhaberler> what a great error message then: 'file not open'
[06:43:19] <psha> it's from somewhere inside interp
[06:44:05] <mhaberler> I *think* its interp_o_word.cc line 184
[06:44:33] <mhaberler> anyway, minor..
[06:45:09] <psha> i guess it's somewhere in Interp::reset or in push in o_word
[06:45:25] <psha> yes
[06:45:35] <psha> before pushing context it checks it
[06:45:44] <psha> if context is invalid it's not possible to push it
[06:45:59] <psha> and thus it's not possible to return back when everything is done
[06:46:10] <psha> maybe this check has to be relaxed....
[06:46:37] <mhaberler> I understand that.. it's just that the error message is totally confusing
[06:50:26] <psha> i guess it may be fixed but it may brake several places in interp
[06:50:41] <mhaberler> forget it, its not important
[06:51:57] <mhaberler> maybe the task_plan_execute message just needs a flag to tell it is ok to execute if not in MDI mode
[06:52:22] <mhaberler> that's less invasive than the separate nml message
[06:53:10] <psha> not obvios
[06:53:46] <mhaberler> that's a bit too opaque for me ;-) what do you mean?
[06:53:52] <psha> new NML message is something that don't infulence others in any way
[06:54:04] <mhaberler> fair enough
[06:54:13] <psha> but extra param is better :)
[06:54:19] <mhaberler> see...
[06:54:35] <psha> but you have to check if it breaks others or not :)
[06:55:24] <mhaberler> it touches way fewer source files
[06:55:26] <mhaberler> dont think so - if it's properly defaulted, set in one place only, and tested in one place only I cant see how it should break thinks
[06:55:51] <psha> this messages is used from many places
[06:56:07] <mhaberler> yeah, but not the flag, it's a blind passenger
[06:56:56] <psha> but surely it's not great issue - everything will be rebuilt
[07:00:40] <mhaberler> what's really the condition - ok_in_auto?
[07:01:07] <mhaberler> ok_in_non_mdi sounds really odd
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[07:04:34] <psha> something with 'force' will be nice
[07:04:36] <psha> or 'ignore'
[07:05:35] <mhaberler> ok
[07:06:54] <psha> that's not 'ok' but forcing execution
[07:07:26] <mhaberler> you misunderstood my ok
[07:19:35] <psha> heh, if speaking in terms of what's it - it's 'do it in any mode' i think
[07:19:52] <mhaberler> probably,yes
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[07:28:32] <mhaberler> psha: unfortunately, real world is calling the next days, but I thnk I know how to proceed, thanks!
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[07:32:33] <psha> sure
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[07:42:19] <alex_joni> psha: thanks about the logger info
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[07:42:25] * logger_dev is logging
[07:54:16] <psha> alex_joni: some fault tolerance is needed :)
[07:54:32] <psha> i've fixed mine so it's reconnecting fine but my provider is not perfect...
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[08:41:48] <alex_joni> psha: do you speak perl?
[08:42:09] <alex_joni> I'll happily accept a fixed version of this stupid logger :D
[08:43:25] <psha> no :(
[08:43:41] <psha> i've studied perl years ago
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[08:44:10] <psha> recently i've tried to write cgi wrapper for ikiwiki and it took an hour for me to call function from module :)
[08:44:21] <psha> until i've found that & is needed :)
[08:44:34] <alex_joni> heh
[08:45:18] <psha> $%#@!* chars are confusing me :)
[08:48:22] <psha> alex_joni: maybe it's better to upload last day log to linuxcnc.org but keep logger out of there?
[08:48:24] <Jymmm> psha: Dollar, Percent, Pound, At, Exclamation, Asterisk
[08:48:40] <psha> Jymmm: ya, and now imagine typical perl program :)
[08:48:58] <psha> my Dollarvar = Percentarray{DollarUnderscore}
[08:48:59] <Jymmm> psha: I'm not THAT stupid
[08:49:31] <Jymmm> =)
[08:49:32] <psha> surely that's better then string containing only non-alphanum chars but... :)
[08:51:29] <psha> alex_joni: have you ever worked with RST (reStructuredText) markup?
[08:52:31] <Jymmm> need to find a nitrogen tank and regulator
[09:06:45] <alex_joni> psha: nope
[09:11:01] <psha> its a pity... hard to choose without any background in subject...
[09:13:41] <psha> alex_joni: and what do you thing about uploading daily logs instead of running bot at dreamhost?
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[09:27:38] <alex_joni> psha: nothing really ;)
[09:27:58] <psha> :)
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[10:15:30] <alex_joni> psha: any way is fine with me
[10:15:44] <alex_joni> uploading will have to go through SWPadnos though, he can set up access
[10:19:25] <psha> it may be done by downloading - no difference
[10:19:42] <psha> my logs are living in GMT (UTC?)
[10:19:58] <alex_joni> I think the one at DH are similar in time
[10:31:45] <psha> btw what's you opinoin: is documetation format switch is needed or not?
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[13:37:36] <psha> jepler: may you clarify a bit what you mean under 'and how well (if at all) can the existing documentation URLs, including URLs with #anchors, be preserved?'
[13:39:56] <psha> under existing 'URLs with #anchors' you mean is it possible to compile docs so links from external sources to EMC docs won't be broken?
[13:40:23] <psha> or links generated from \ref{} tags?
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[13:48:08] <jepler> psha: right, so URLs don't change
[13:48:25] <jepler> for instance, will the gcode quickref, which has hand-coded URLs, break until somebody edits it
[13:48:52] <jepler> (of course, for all I know it may be broken now, as jt has split the gcode reference up and may not be maintaining it .. the gcode quickref is handcoded html, unlike anything else in our documentation)
[13:51:33] <psha> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gcode_main.html#sec:G0:-Rapid-Linear
[13:51:36] <psha> links like this?
[13:52:10] <jepler> right
[13:52:50] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/wiki/docs/gcode/main.html#sec:G0:-Rapid-Linear
[13:52:55] <psha> 'out of the box'
[13:53:01] <psha> for rst i think it will be same
[13:53:07] <jepler> ok, good.
[13:53:23] <psha> but there are several section names with spaces in them
[13:53:34] <psha> i've spoted some in hal
[13:53:51] <psha> at least docbook validator in asciidoc is complaining about invalid chars
[13:54:24] <jepler> psha: so about compatibility, you mentioned that tables have changed in asciidoc over the last few years.
[13:54:49] <psha> i've not noticed that - just guess based on you link to 'new style tables'
[13:55:07] <jepler> psha: so if somebody writes on ubuntu 11.10 a year from now, it might not build on ubuntu 6.06
[13:55:12] <jepler> or it might build and give wrong results
[13:55:20] <jepler> that's the situation we have with lyx (it won't build at all)
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[13:57:08] <psha> certanly there may be added some new stuff - like === section names added in ~2005
[13:57:31] <psha> but in opposite to lyx nobody forces you to use them
[13:59:14] <jepler> true
[13:59:41] <jepler> I wonder if building a new table construct with a very old asciidoc leads to error (so that we can depend on buildbot to let us know about the problem) or just makes documentation that looks different than desired
[14:01:24] <psha> if it's compiled with a2x (which first converts things to docbook) then it fails if something goes wrong
[14:01:38] <psha> if it's done with 'asciidoc' then it provides _some_ result
[14:01:44] <psha> maybe with optional exit code
[14:02:06] <jepler> well, gee, it might be because I am a computer programmer but I'd rather have errors when things are wrong
[14:03:31] <psha> rst2* just replace invalid block with some notification
[14:03:50] <jepler> well that you might at least be able to grep for and abort the documentation build with an error
[14:03:50] <psha> but exit code is 0
[14:04:05] <psha> psha@lebu:~/src/emc2/docs/src$ rst2html gui/gladevcp.rst gui/gladevcp.html
[14:04:05] <psha> gui/gladevcp.rst:26: (ERROR/3) Error in "image" directive:
[14:04:11] <psha> but provides error printouts
[14:04:16] <jepler> this is making me hate rst2html
[14:04:30] <jepler> any program that prints "ERROR" three times and then exits with code 0 is clearly buggy
[14:04:32] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/tmp/gladevcp-rst.html
[14:05:13] <psha> it's possible to ask it to exit with error
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[14:05:18] <jepler> bbl, I'm going to go have a cup of coffee and try to come back in a less confrontational mood
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[14:07:33] <psha> rst2html --exit-status=3
[14:07:36] <psha> for example
[14:07:38] <psha> working
[14:08:24] <Jymmm> jepler: I don't know bout that, psha is pushing this like a crack dealer at Junior HS.
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[14:08:50] <JT-Shop> dang lumpy connection
[14:09:32] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://www.gotlumpys.com/
[14:10:02] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: The Intimidator!
[14:10:36] <JT-Shop> saw that the other day Jymmm
[14:11:18] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Ah, so THATs why your connetion is lumpy =)
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[14:16:24] <JT-Shop> I guess so Jymmm
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[14:21:34] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Hey there
[14:22:25] <psha> Jymmm: try it! first fix for free
[14:22:31] <psha> second with discount
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[14:24:46] <Jymmm> psha: Sure, I'll give it to your sister/daughter/mom first and see what happens.
[14:26:10] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: any place to get a nitrogen tank/regulator cheap? new or blessed used?
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[14:27:15] <psha> heh, i've already 'sold' it to wife - her PhD thesis was written in latex :)
[14:28:09] <Jymmm> psha: asciidoc in concept I like, but my disgust for SGML kinda leaves me in limbo
[14:29:35] <psha> hm, where is there SGML like features?
[14:30:04] <psha> i've not used sgml or derivatives (except html) so i'm dumb with it
[14:32:07] <Jymmm> I'm using LDP as the basis (maybe a bad/outdated example) http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/DocBook-Demystification-HOWTO/
[14:32:09] <Jymmm> http://tldp.org/LDP/LDP-Author-Guide/html/ag-markup.html
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[14:34:35] <Jymmm> If you intend to output to html, you'll need to deal with sgml at some point.
[14:34:47] <Jymmm> There's also indexing and cataloging too
[14:36:03] <psha> yes, that's strong side of asciidoc - it leverages power of docbook but retains simplicity of lightweight markup
[14:36:27] <psha> that's why there is proper TOC and correct footnotes in the bottom and many other goodies
[14:36:43] <psha> but - it's not more then complex match-and-replace tool
[14:37:09] <psha> and that's limit it's extensibility
[14:37:11] <Jymmm> Like I said, I like asciidoc in CONCEPT, not sure about it in practise
[14:37:38] <psha> have you dealt with RST?
[14:37:44] <Jymmm> nope
[14:38:33] <psha> heh, rst seem to be quite widespread but nobody i've asked is using it :)
[14:39:26] <Jymmm> Docutils is in active development and should be considered experimental.
[14:40:44] <psha> it's only one year younger then asciidoc
[14:41:00] <psha> 2003 for AD, 2004 for docutils
[14:41:11] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: AFAIK nitrogen tanks are lease only... the only (can be owned) tanks that should show up used are the small ox/acc and co2 tanks again AFAIK
[14:41:41] <skunkworks> we have a small nitrogen tank. (should have I said that outl loud?)
[14:42:04] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: You can buy. ppl are using them for beer brewing. 20cf starts are $140, 80cf aorund $190
[14:42:05] <JT-Shop> like the small co2 tanks?
[14:42:35] <skunkworks> I don't remember - it is about 8 inches in diameter and about 16 inches tall
[14:42:38] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: 20 40 and 80 cf are what I've seen so far.
[14:42:54] <Jymmm> skunkworks: tha'ts 20cf
[14:42:55] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: you use co2 for beer http://suburb.semo.net/jet1024/BeerHome.htm
[14:43:03] <skunkworks> (we use it for filling hydraulic accumulators
[14:43:11] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: nitrogen too, for a Guiness style beer
[14:43:22] <JT-Shop> I don't drink that
[14:43:41] <JT-Shop> now I know more about nitrogen than I did this morning
[14:44:10] <Jymmm> It costs $12 to fill a 20cf, and $20 to fill a 80cf tank
[14:44:18] <Jymmm> err s/12/13/
[14:45:19] <JT-Shop> if the tank is out of date you have to pay for a pressure test before they will fill a user owned tank
[14:45:34] <Jymmm> 80cf tank is about 52 lbs
[14:45:40] <JT-Shop> I have some small co2 tanks that I can't get filled without paying for a test
[14:45:41] <skunkworks> yes - that is common. (testing)
[14:45:49] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: so you make sure that you refill it before then
[14:46:04] <JT-Shop> that only works once
[14:46:21] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: No, becasue they exchange the tank, not refill on demand
[14:47:28] <JT-Shop> ok, like my small ox/acc tanks
[14:47:45] <Jymmm> =)
[14:47:52] <JT-Shop> some places will fill your co2 tanks on demand
[14:48:00] <Jymmm> Ah, gotcha
[14:48:22] <JT-Shop> but not in Swamp East Missouri, you have to go to a city to get that
[14:48:47] <Jymmm> $20 refill, $40 hydrotest
[14:49:43] <Jymmm> so if you have only used 1%, of the gas, it's still cheaper to get it refilled (exchanged) thank hydrotest + refill (on demand)
[14:49:52] <Jymmm> s/thank/than/
[14:50:11] <Jymmm> if its coming close to date
[14:51:06] <Jymmm> that's how it was explained to me yesterday at one welding supply house
[14:51:33] <Jymmm> and no, they dont give you credit for the gas in the tank you bring in =) I asked
[14:52:00] * JT-Shop stops pretending to know anything and shuts up now... I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night
[14:52:31] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: no need for that. Just passing on what I was told is all
[14:53:23] <Jymmm> I just hate the idea of buying a BRAND NEW tank, and exchanging it for a used one is all.
[14:57:42] <Jymmm> skunkworks: 7" x 20" tall 30# == 40cf it seems
[14:58:12] <skunkworks> ah
[14:58:20] <Jymmm> skunkworks: http://cgi.ebay.com/40-CF-WELDING-CYLINDER-tank-bottle-ARGON-NITROGEN-/390082408726?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ad2b93116
[14:58:24] <skunkworks> I was close :)
[14:58:41] <Jymmm> skunkworks: 80cf http://cgi.ebay.com/80-CF-WELDING-CYLINDER-tank-bottle-ARGON-NITROGEN-/390082609469?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ad2bc413d
[14:59:09] <Jymmm> skunkworks: sad that it's only $3 more to fill a 80cf than it is to fill a 40cf
[14:59:38] <Jymmm> 20-40-80cf == 13-17-$20
[15:00:09] <skunkworks> the problem with nitrogen is it doesn't change to liquid at a sane pressue. so the tanks have to be beefy :)
[15:00:38] <Jymmm> skunkworks: I dont want liquid at all, just gas
[15:00:52] <skunkworks> right - but you get a lot more ;)
[15:00:59] <Jymmm> skunkworks: I thik its kinda cool that you can fill your tires with nitrogen too.
[15:01:06] <skunkworks> (if it was like co2)
[15:01:26] <Jymmm> skunkworks: No LN2, I'd get myself into WAY TOO MUCH TROUBLE!
[15:01:59] <Jymmm> skunkworks: We had a 5000gal LN2 tank at where I worked once, gawd that was fun =)
[15:02:20] <skunkworks> heh
[15:03:04] <Jymmm> I'm already looking for mini handheld tanks for nitrogen that I can refill myself from a 40cf tank to replace "cans of air" that you would use to clean out your computer and stuff.
[15:04:08] <Jymmm> But the cost of them is high, it be cheaper to actually run plumbing for a valve than buy a mini tcan
[15:05:15] <Jymmm> skunkworks: check this out http://www.harborfreight.com/nitrogen-tire-inflation-kit-with-20-cubic-ft-tank-97061.html
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[15:06:44] <Jymmm> skunkworks: if it was 40cf, I'd probably get it.
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[21:40:30] <ries> Hello, I just compiled 2.4.6 but up-on starting I get : insmod: error inserting '/usr/realtime/modules/emc2/hal_parport.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
[21:40:44] <ries> I am pretty sure I compiled against the right version of Linux and RTAI...
[21:40:48] <cradek> dmesg will tell you what symbol is unknown
[21:41:25] <ries> cradek: it's hal_parport: Unknown symbol parport_register_device
[21:42:09] <cradek> weird, I think that's a normal kernel symbol
[21:42:13] <cradek> what kernel are you running?
[21:43:13] <ries> Linux emc2 2.6.29.6-rtai-rvt #17 PREEMPT
[21:43:33] <ries> I compiled it myself... I just tried 2.3.4 again, and that works without a itch
[21:43:57] <cradek> you've got some parport options wrong for your kernel - compare with our config
[21:44:17] <cradek> 2.3 didn't cooperate with the rest of the system's parport stuff, 2.4 does
[21:45:07] <skunkworks> we had the hard drive go bad this weekend - I left it pulling the source with git - dad finished the build and I walked him though bulding the gearshift16.com and he was up and running again. painless. :)
[21:45:17] <skunkworks> *comp
[21:45:42] <ries> cradek: ic ic...
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[21:48:37] <ries> cradek: Is taht config somewhere downloadable?
[21:50:38] <cradek> well it's sure in our packages, but I'm not seeing it anywhere else
[21:51:37] <cradek> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=infrastructure.git;a=blob;f=livecd/kernels/hardy/config-2.6.24-16-rtai;h=9b2d123e84b724fac5f078b50abd3a2f5c9c94c8;hb=9fe131d781789a40dd0648e902ed5c84d27d5ab2
[21:51:47] <cradek> this is the one for hardy - I don't see the lucid one in git anywhere
[21:52:00] <cradek> you may have to download the kernel image deb and extract it
[21:52:22] <ries> ok
[21:52:59] <ries> I see some differences... going to try
[21:53:44] <micges> ries: here is config from 10.04 : http://pastebin.com/yZZUttc2
[21:55:03] <ries> micges: thanks...
[21:55:33] <ries> may be I should download a new kernel, since I am still on 2.6.29, your config is for 2.6.32
[21:55:44] <ries> It's on a Debian machine, I never could get ubuntu running...
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[21:56:56] <micges> did you tried 10.04 livecd on that machine?
[21:57:49] <ries> micges: I don't think so... last time I tried ubuntu on this machine was last year (Jan 2010)
[21:58:02] <ries> The machine would lock up each time I started EMC or any of the RTAI test tools
[21:58:24] <micges> 10.04 rt kernel is from 07.2010
[21:58:39] <ries> I would properly not have tested 10.04 then..
[21:59:08] <micges> so give it a try
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[22:06:33] <ries> micges: I will try to compile first.... I don't even know where the CDROm drive for this laptop is... a very very old dell...
[22:06:57] <micges> hehe ok
[22:07:35] <ries> buying a second hand computer here in Ecuador was like 400-500USD :D
[22:08:02] <micges> omg
[22:08:57] <micges> here in Poland it's 100$
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[22:09:48] <skunkworks> here they pay you to take them away... ;)
[22:10:27] <micges> hehe
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[22:20:02] <cradek> it's true, computers often go for -$10 and monitors for -$20 around here
[22:26:27] <skunkworks> :) only because they need to be disposed of correctly.
[22:26:57] <skunkworks> well - tuxcnc really seems to be dead
[22:27:09] <skunkworks> Hi paul!
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[22:40:27] <ries> cradek: skunkworks here in this country they keep using and re-selling items untill they fall apart. When that happens they use tape and platic glue to bring it back together and re-sell it :D
[22:46:04] <ries> I am a bit closer to my problem... I think I need to load the parport kernel module... I remember I disabled that because I had conflicts between the EMC version and the kernel version..... or something like that
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[22:56:45] <ries> cradek: is there a hal config change needed between 2.3.x and 2.4.x?? I can now start other configurations, just not mine
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[23:03:40] <micges> ries: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UPDATING#Changes_between_2_3_x_and_2_4_x
[23:05:31] <ries> micges: bingo... stupid me, and I knew it... I needed to remove NML_FILE...
[23:14:03] <ries> everything works again, great!
[23:14:55] <ries> next question... is it possible to create list in axis of the touch off positions? I would like to implement a 'undo touch off' or 'last touch off' button
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[23:17:29] <JT-Shop> ries: I think there is a variable that has the current offset
[23:18:24] <ries> JT-Shop: I am searching in google... but I don't see it being done yet... I can properly dive into python for it. Would it make sicne to have such a capability?
[23:18:35] <ries> s/sicne/sense/
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[23:19:59] <JT-Shop> I wish there was a ctrl-x for touch off :)
[23:20:27] <JT-Shop> like "oh shit wrong axis" hit ctrl-x to back up
[23:20:55] <ries> JT-Shop: Exactly!
[23:21:35] <ries> my mistake I keep making is that I want to touch off a axis, then move (for some reason) a other axis.. then hit touch off.
[23:21:51] <ries> and I am touching off teh wrong axis, I want to then undo this... and then continue...
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[23:27:37] <JT-Shop> I guess you could save the current axis and offset somehow for a oh shit button
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[23:28:42] <ries> JT-Shop: I am going to look into it...
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