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[00:32:28] <Roguish> andypugh: hey, got my 7139 working with 3pwmgens. at least 1 motor i have that has both hals and encoder.
[00:32:57] <Roguish> andypugh: what is the status of your new bldc comp?
[00:33:04] <Roguish> committed yet?
[00:33:30] <andypugh> Not as far as I know. It's out of my hands now.
[00:34:33] <Roguish> who's got the ball?
[00:35:12] <Roguish> i got a copy a short while back from pcw,
[00:35:12] <andypugh> The guys with commit privileges.
[00:35:54] <andypugh> Does it have a version number?
[00:36:17] <Roguish> compiled it ( i think ) and recompiled emc. did .ini that at least starts up. but no love running the motor smoothly.
[00:37:22] <Roguish> where would i find the version ? in the text comments at the top?
[00:37:34] <andypugh> Yes
[00:38:17] <Roguish> 1.3.1 (14/1/11 01:52)
[00:38:33] <Roguish> got it on jan 16
[00:39:11] <andypugh> That's the latest.
[00:39:45] <andypugh> It worked nicely on all the combinations I tried with the 7i39
[00:40:45] <andypugh> Pastebin your hal file?
[00:40:53] <Roguish> ok. the man doc i created as lots of funky formatting characters, so i did my best configuring the .ini and hal file.
[00:40:59] <Roguish> sure,
[00:44:51] <Roguish> http://pastebin.com/YkJU2JNC
[00:46:40] <Roguish> my working config has 3pwmgens and bldc-hall3.
[00:48:15] <andypugh> So you are sure that 25 is the correct hall pattern?
[00:49:04] <Roguish> it works with bldc-hall3,
[00:49:09] <andypugh> OK.
[00:50:20] <andypugh> it should work in "hT" mode then (and then the "T") is superflous
[00:51:43] <andypugh> I suspect that the problem is that you are telling it to use the encoder and not giving it the encoder scale and pole count
[00:52:39] <andypugh> Try that hal file with "cfg=h" and see how it goes
[00:52:49] <andypugh> (Comment out "rawcounts")
[00:53:31] <Roguish> ok, the encoder scale is in the .ini file and is at line 85 on the .hal file.
[00:55:24] <Roguish> setp hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.encoder.00.scale [AXIS_0]INPUT_SCALE
[00:56:31] <andypugh> The bldc component also needs to know the encoder scale, and the motor pole count.
[00:57:42] <Roguish> what the command to create the man page from the .comp file?
[00:58:31] <andypugh> (Just add bldc.0.scale to line 85, then setp bldc.0.poles to be correct)
[00:59:28] <andypugh> comp --document bldc.comp
[01:00:01] <andypugh> Do you know how many poles your motor has?
[01:00:25] <Roguish> pretty sure it's 4
[01:03:01] <andypugh> To keep things simple, check that that hal works with cfg=h first. There is no point using hqT with the 7i39, as that just drives the motor like pure-h mode, but spends a lot more effort doing it. "qh" should be smoother but needs the bldc.N.scale and bldc.N.poles numbers to be correct.
[01:03:54] <andypugh> Oh, and ignore that I just said about adding to line 85, you need to duplicate the line for bldc. "setp" doesn't work like "net"
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[01:07:49] <Roguish> ok, thanks. gotta run. pizza is out of the oven, beer's cold in the fridg.
[01:08:59] <andypugh> Yeah, and well past my bed time. Was up at 3am, and now its 1am...
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[02:34:01] <ries> cradek: Remember we talked about leadscrew compensation? Do you happen to know if this is linear or that some additional function is applied for values not given in the compensation file?
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[02:56:33] <cradek> not sure if I know what you're asking -- you set the nominal scale, then measure at however many points. there is linear interpolation when the nominal position is between two points.
[02:57:00] <cradek> there is no higher-order interpolation between measured points if that's what you are asking
[02:57:53] <cradek> you could fit a conic to three points or something, but I'm not sure how you'd pick which three points to use
[02:58:00] <cradek> that's certainly not implemented
[03:02:17] <ries> that's all I needed to know...
[03:02:49] <ries> I think I am fine still.. I just finished my calculations and wished I paid more attention in math classes
[03:02:55] <cradek> haha
[03:03:01] <cradek> I feel like that pretty often
[03:03:07] <cradek> like when adding two numbers together
[03:03:44] <cradek> I can do calculus and trig, but man - give me a list of numbers to add, I'll get a calculator and it better fucking be RPN :-)
[03:06:49] <ries> hehehe...
[03:08:05] <ries> The method I used to calculate my error is based on a raytracing algorithm I created a very long time ago. I have no idea what the formula is for a circle that is off-centered and calculate the distance traveled for a given angle increment.
[03:12:42] <cradek> but - shouldn't you *measure* it? that's kind of the whole point of screw comp isn't it?
[03:13:39] <ries> cradek: I don't have tools for that
[03:13:53] <ries> so I am guestimating it
[03:17:24] <cradek> I see - how do you know if you make it better?
[03:19:27] <ries> cradek: the plan is to put the machine in such a position that I know somethign will go wrong, just by milling a square
[03:19:47] <ries> if my calculations are right, I should by off by 0.5mm worse case, I can measure that
[03:20:02] <ries> when I then apply my screw comp file, I should see improvement
[03:20:42] <cradek> I see
[03:21:08] <ries> this quare I want to make should be made 20mm x 20mm, that's worse case size
[03:21:55] <ries> if I make it the size of on revolution of my pinion, I won't see the difference. because distance traveled is then exactly the same
[03:24:09] <ries> These are the reasult of of what I think should be right :
http://pastebin.com/MrcmiRci
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[07:35:42] <psha> logger[psha]: .
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[08:17:14] <psha> cradek: yes, it's possible to say, 'image::filename.*' and then with simple script pick one from several possible variants
[08:17:21] <psha> i've tested on svg and png files
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[09:10:22] <psha> for example see
http://psha.org.ru/tmp/lathe_user.pdf
[09:10:36] <psha> second (numbered) page, with tool_positions image
[09:10:47] <psha> and compare it to following images, which are loaded from png files
[09:25:06] <alex_joni> The requested URL /tmp/lathe_user.pdf was not found on this server.
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[10:04:14] <psha> oops
[10:04:26] <psha> lathe-user
[10:04:48] <psha> correct one
http://psha.org.ru/tmp/lathe-user.pdf
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[10:30:15] <alex_joni> looks nice
[10:30:21] <alex_joni> can that logo be removed (first page) ?
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[10:40:34] <psha> i guess yes
[10:45:11] <psha> yes, possible :)
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[11:51:06] <jthornton> psha: looks good except for the images got hosed up, do you need the original images?
[11:51:41] <jthornton> I meant did you use the original images?
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[12:05:29] <psha> i've used ones from docs/src
[12:06:34] <psha> they are very lowres... and when they are included in pdf (no difference how - via dblatex, pdflatex, latex,...) they are screwed
[12:13:14] <jthornton> is it because of the base resolution of the image?
[12:14:28] <psha> i guess yes
[12:15:47] <psha> for my work i always use either vector figs (svg, eps) or hires png graphics
[12:16:24] <psha> since vector graphs are very huge and using svg for them is not nice
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[12:29:09] <psha> jthornton: in EMC2_User_Manual.pdf generated from lyx images looks same
[12:29:22] <psha> i've downloaded them and they looks awful too :)
[12:30:02] <jthornton> I just opened them side by side and your are much worse than the user manual
[12:30:55] <psha> they have different scale
[12:31:14] <psha> if you scale page so they have same linear size - they'll look similar :)
[12:31:33] <jthornton> didn't think of that
[12:32:45] <psha> \begin_inset Graphics filename images/tool_pos_1.png scale 70
[12:32:58] <psha> in lyx they are scaled to 0.7
[12:33:05] <jthornton> I have them both set to 100% and looking at the lathe tool orientations and your image is much bigger
[12:33:09] <psha> in mine it's not scaled at all
[12:33:29] <jthornton> ah, so it is not getting the scale info from lyx
[12:33:59] <jthornton> I do have to play with scale to make the images come out correctly a lot
[12:34:51] <psha> so X axis had same size on all images?
[12:36:03] <psha> i guess proper fix for theese specific images would be placing them in one svg :)
[12:36:29] <jthornton> what is a svg?
[12:36:50] <psha> Scalable Vector Graphics - one of most common formats for vector images
[12:39:15] <jthornton> can you convert a dxf file to a svg file ?
[12:39:31] <psha> yes, i've already converted all dxf's found in docs/src to svg
[12:39:39] <psha> and first image in lathe-user.pdf is vector one
[12:40:29] <jthornton> and that one zooms nice :)
[12:40:31] <psha> you may compare it with same image in User Manual and notice that it looks good :)
[12:41:23] <psha> however if you magnify it you'll see that converter i'd picked don't know about arcs for letters :)
[12:44:00] <jthornton> I wonder where the dxf's are for the rest of the images in docs/src/lathe/images I guess I never committed them
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[12:51:18] <jthornton> psha: what about screen shots, can they be converted to svg?
[12:52:39] <psha> impossible :(
[12:53:33] <psha> i've converted some photos from microscope to svg so they'd look fine when printed on A1 poster some time ago... but they came out funny :)
[12:54:20] <jthornton> is there a good way to capture screen shots?
[12:54:40] <jthornton> besides alt-prtscr
[12:55:43] <psha> i'm using gnome-screenshot or scrot
[12:55:50] <psha> but alt-prtscr just calls one of theese
[12:56:02] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/tmp/tool_pos_1.svg
[12:56:19] <psha> maybe something like this will be ok?
[12:57:25] <jthornton> that looks better than the screen shot for sure
[12:59:04] <psha> reload pdf
[13:00:00] <psha> i've put it there for comparison with png examples
[13:01:59] <jthornton> easier on the eyes and if someone would be crazy enough to print an ink saver for sure
[13:02:32] <psha> i 'draw' theese svg's with vim :)
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[13:05:54] <psha> have to go now
[13:05:58] <psha> be back later
[13:06:04] <jthornton> ok
[13:06:16] <psha> uploaded pdf with 4 'tool_pos_*' images
[13:08:46] <jthornton> now you just need to put 4 per row and scale the tool position image :)
[13:09:37] <psha> i'd better thow them on one image ;)
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[13:14:30] <CIA-4> EMC: 03jthornton 07v2.4_branch * r1725fb3bbdc6 10/docs/src/gui/axis.lyx: add info on spindle reverse button
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[14:36:20] <cradek> archivist: I see what you mean - now you know 3 of them and the other 5 are a complete mystery - actually, looking closer, they're all pretty much a mystery to me
[14:37:23] <archivist> cradek, I think thats why I got very frustrated the other week I could not get the tool right
[14:37:54] <cradek> yeah, it sure needs something else doesn't it
[14:38:04] <cradek> docs, or a preview and spinboxes, or some other way to specify it
[14:38:28] <cradek> I just futz with the numbers until the tool looks right - not very scientific or satisfying
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[14:54:17] <psha> JT-Work: with composed images it looks fine :)
[14:54:31] <JT-Work> cool
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[15:11:38] <psha> JT-Work: converted last 4 images
[15:12:01] <psha> that's enought for ads document ;)
[15:12:12] <JT-Work> psha: link?
[15:12:45] <psha> same
[15:12:54] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/tmp/lathe-user.pdf
[15:12:54] <JT-Work> I don't have it here
[15:12:58] <JT-Work> thanks
[15:13:13] <psha> yes, i've not noticed nick change ;)
[15:14:42] <JT-Work> looking good
[15:15:11] <JT-Work> the table for the tool table gets hosed :/
[15:15:34] <psha> that's same converter i'd played while ago
[15:15:40] <psha> tables are not converted
[15:16:02] <JT-Work> I need to recreate or find the dxf files for the rest of the figures
[15:20:14] <psha> dxf source would be fine
[15:20:47] <psha> or maybe to ask users on mailing list for the help and redraw most of schemes in vector format ;)
[15:22:46] <JT-Work> when jepler alerted me to the importance of saving the dxf files I started to commit them as well as the png
[15:23:04] <JT-Work> not knowing that svg is better
[15:23:17] <JT-Work> does the html use svg too?
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[15:26:40] <psha> it may
[15:26:46] <archivist> cradek, yup, got called away
[15:26:48] <psha> however IE 6 don't supoprt int
[15:26:49] <psha> it
[15:26:58] <psha> but all recent browsers do
[15:27:42] <JT-Work> cool
[15:28:34] <psha> restored table
[15:28:53] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/tmp/lathe-user.txt
[15:29:05] <JT-Work> cool
[15:29:06] <psha> it's not different from what was in latex
[15:29:35] <JT-Work> like wiki markup a bit?
[15:31:13] <JT-Work> brb
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[15:40:51] <psha> JT-Work: yes, it's like wiki markup
[15:41:03] <psha> they share much
[15:41:14] <JT-Work> not to bad once you get used to it I assume
[15:41:42] <psha> for things like item/numbered lists it's obvious
[15:41:55] <JT-Work> how do you convert to pdf's
[15:42:21] <psha> a2x -f pdf file.txt
[15:42:31] <psha> trivial form
[15:42:38] <psha> real command line is a bit longer ;)
[15:42:56] <psha> a2x --dblatex-opts "-P doc.publisher.show=0 -P latex.output.revhistory=0" -a imageextensions=pdf,png --asciidoc-opts -f\ docbook-image.conf -vf pdf -L lathe/lathe-user.txt
[15:44:05] <psha> for html it's much shorter
[15:44:06] <psha> asciidoc -a imageextensions=svg,png,jpg -f xhtml11-image.conf -b xhtml11 lathe/lathe-user.txt
[15:44:31] <psha> imageextensions specifies order of image lookup
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[16:04:12] <psha> cradek: here is examples of different images for different document types
[16:04:13] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/tmp/lathe-user.html
[16:04:15] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/tmp/lathe-user.pdf
[16:06:56] <JT-Work> the images don't show up in the html
[16:07:23] <psha> what browser?
[16:07:31] <JT-Work> firefox
[16:07:39] <psha> all or some?
[16:07:43] <JT-Work> 3.6.13
[16:07:44] <psha> if all - reload page ;)
[16:08:30] <JT-Work> tool positions are the ones that don't show up
[16:08:34] <JT-Work> the rest show up
[16:09:09] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/tmp/lathe//images/tool_pos_1234.svg
[16:09:11] <psha> this one?
[16:09:28] <JT-Work> I see images/tool_pos.*
[16:09:39] <JT-Work> that is one
[16:09:44] <psha> you've built it localy?
[16:09:51] <JT-Work> ?
[16:10:37] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/tmp/lathe//images/tool_positions.svg
[16:10:44] <psha> this one is shown correctly?
[16:11:01] <JT-Work> no
[16:13:19] <psha> hm
[16:14:24] <psha> svg is broken in it?!
[16:15:53] <JT-Work> no, the rest show up fine
[16:17:28] <psha> yes, the rest are png ;)
[16:17:39] <JT-Work> lol
[16:17:48] <JT-Work> then I guess it is borked
[16:18:07] <psha> yea, i've just started firefox and it shows only png's
[16:18:14] <psha> even epiphany is working nice ;)
[16:18:22] <psha> i guess i've broken something :)
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[16:22:11] <psha> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=276431
[16:22:19] <psha> heh, was open for 6 years ;)
[16:23:33] <JT-Work> doesn't work in IE 8 either
[16:23:53] <psha> IE 8 is known to be crap :) however that's was just demonstration :)
[16:24:27] <JT-Work> yea, I only use it when forced to :)
[16:27:30] <psha> reload
[16:27:41] <psha> i've changed order of image resolution
[16:27:55] <psha> and build png images from svg
[16:28:09] <JT-Work> yep works for me now
[17:01:46] <psha> JT-Work: btw is source syntax looks ok for you?
[17:03:20] <JT-Work> looks ok to me, just different so one would have to get used to it, but with examples should be hard to screwup but not impossible :)
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[18:29:47] <psha> is thys typo: common/GPDL_Copyright
[18:29:47] <psha> ?
[18:29:56] <psha> it seem that there is GFDL inside
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[18:33:58] <psha> ah, it's GPLD
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[18:47:44] <JT-Work> that would be one typo I might not have done :)
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[19:03:15] <psha> instead of fixing that file i've just downloaded fdl-1.3.txt and included it there verbatim ;)
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[19:54:51] <cradek> logger[psha]: what
[19:55:36] <cradek> andypugh: are you waiting for someone to push new components/drivers that you think are done? I've seen you post several but I don't know if you were looking for comments or a pusher.
[19:56:03] <andypugh> Both, really.
[19:56:37] <cradek> I can't really help or comment, but I can push stuff if you say it is done
[19:56:54] <cradek> fwiw :-/
[19:57:01] <andypugh> ie, if they don't look to have major problems, and I think they are done, it would be nice to have them released into the dev branch for real-world testing.
[19:57:16] <cradek> seems nobody is going to have hardware to test all these combinations of stuff
[19:57:25] <cradek> that's good by me
[19:57:47] <andypugh> Yeah, the hardware combinations is one reason I can't be sure it is all done.
[19:57:48] <cradek> we can put them in master now and they will end up in 2.5 (which I know at least matt shaver wants) or we can put them in a branch that will be merged into master after the 2.5 split.
[19:58:14] <cradek> I understand - and I feel like there's no answer except to do your best guess and then let it flush out over time
[19:58:29] <andypugh> They don't break anything else, being additional. I can't see any reason not to have them in 2.5
[19:58:33] <cradek> ok
[19:58:52] <cradek> can you get me git format-patch style stuff to apply, and I'll do it
[19:59:11] <cradek> or if you have a public git I can just pull a branch from it
[19:59:16] <andypugh> I can try.
[19:59:25] <cradek> ok
[20:00:06] <andypugh> I think I need to create a dummy branch then apply the patches to make a git-format-patch which doesn't faithfully reproduce every twist and turn of the last several months of work?
[20:00:41] <cradek> yes if you have them in plain-patch form already, that sounds like a fine way
[20:01:51] <cradek> git branch mychanges origin/master
[20:01:53] <cradek> git checkout mychanges
[20:02:00] <cradek> patch -pX <...
[20:02:01] <cradek> patch -pX <...
[20:02:02] <cradek> patch -pX <...
[20:02:12] <cradek> git format-patch origin/master
[20:02:21] <cradek> ...possibly
[20:02:45] <andypugh> I did that with yesterdays patch to gearchange
[20:03:00] <andypugh> (That was because Seb complained).
[20:03:02] <cradek> probably want git format-patch --stdout origin/master > my-lots-of-changes.mbox if there are several
[20:03:08] <cradek> haha
[20:03:16] <cradek> the more you use git, the more you will complain about others' use of git too.
[20:10:42] <andypugh> It probably doesn't make any sense to submit the bldc.comp as a patch. It's a single file.
[20:11:15] <andypugh> (And the version I posted 14th Jan is the latest)
[20:11:32] <SWPadnos> there should also be changes to the makefiles, no>
[20:11:52] <andypugh> Not for a comp, they get caught by a wildcard.
[20:11:56] <cradek> a git format-patch will give your log message and authorship information, which is important
[20:11:57] <SWPadnos> ah, right
[20:12:02] <cradek> so please go ahead and do that
[20:12:11] <cradek> just git add mynewfile.comp; git commit
[20:13:06] <andypugh> You can git diff between commits, but I think you can only git-format-patch between branches?
[20:13:20] <cradek> that is not true
[20:13:32] <cradek> you can git format-patch the tip of any old branch - that's what I usually do
[20:13:42] <cradek> git format-patch -1 will give you the last commit, for instance
[20:13:49] <andypugh> Ah, OK.
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[20:32:37] <psha> JT-Work: hm, converter is bad...
[20:32:42] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/tmp/gui/axis.html
[20:32:52] <psha> tried to clean some pages to see how much work they need
[20:33:41] <cradek> what do you think is bad? it looks decent to me.
[20:34:07] <cradek> oh are pictures missing?
[20:34:31] <psha> no, that's needed lot of handwork
[20:34:37] <cradek> ah
[20:34:44] <psha> for some pages it's minimal
[20:34:54] <psha> reorder image titles for example
[20:35:02] <psha> and kill some {[} things
[20:35:12] <psha> but for axis it was large - inline images, etc
[20:35:21] <cradek> looks pretty nice, now
[20:35:49] <psha> there is source laying nearby
[20:35:50] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/tmp/gui/axis.txt
[20:36:25] <cradek> ohhhhh what luxury to just be able to edit that text to fix something
[20:36:34] <jepler> ugh, the ToC requries javascript to render?
[20:36:38] <jepler> blech argh fpppt
[20:36:43] <psha> jepler: only in one mode
[20:36:57] <jepler> <noscript><p><b>JavaScript must be enabled in your browser to display the table of contents.</b></p></noscript>
[20:37:02] <jepler> I don't like that mode :-P
[20:37:07] <cradek> bad mode! bad!
[20:37:38] <psha> reload
[20:38:57] <andypugh> That is rather pretty.
[20:39:27] <psha> as i mentioned already there are several ways to generate html - directly from asciidoc souce or from docbook
[20:39:40] <psha> first lacks 'true' TOC and generates it on the fly
[20:39:48] <psha> but is faster :)
[20:40:05] <tom3p> psha, it does look nice, when i click on a link, the new destination is >just< off the screen, above it
[20:40:22] <cradek> that must be a browser feature/setting
[20:40:32] <psha> no, it may be incorrect anchor placing
[20:40:37] <cradek> looks perfect here
[20:40:41] <tom3p> Namoroka/3.6.14pre
[20:40:53] <psha> tom3p: which link?
[20:40:55] <cradek> <a href="#_mdi_interface">6. MDI interface</a>
[20:41:49] <tom3p> http://psha.org.ru/tmp/gui/axis.html#cap:AXIS-Window
[20:42:08] <psha> hm, here it's ok
[20:42:16] <psha> image is in place
[20:42:23] <psha> but label is not on the screen
[20:42:52] <tom3p> next is fine
http://psha.org.ru/tmp/gui/axis.html#cap:AXIS-Window
[20:42:53] <psha> try now
[20:43:16] <psha> it's a matter of correct positioning of anchors/titles
[20:43:21] <tom3p> cross browser compatibility is the bad part of html ( i wish it werent )
[20:43:32] <psha> .[[cap:AXIS-Window]]AXIS Window
[20:43:38] <tom3p> perfect!
[20:43:38] <psha> this places anchor before title
[20:43:40] <psha> .[[cap:AXIS-Window]]AXIS Window
[20:43:42] <psha> oops
[20:43:53] <psha> .AXIS Window [[cap:AXIS-Window]]
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[20:43:56] <psha> and this - after
[20:44:08] <psha> i've changed it to the first variant and it's ok now
[20:44:18] <tom3p> perfect here
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[20:47:46] <andypugh> is the dev/src directory meant to be full of .ko, .c and .o files for every realtime component?
[20:48:06] <cradek> yeah unfortunately that's a feature of the kernel module build system we must use
[20:48:14] <jepler> andypugh: I've failed to get the kernel to put those files elsewhere. somebody probably knows how but they won't tell me..
[20:48:20] <andypugh> I won't tidy them then
[20:49:07] <jepler> what do you mean? they are listed in .gitignore so they shouldn't show up in "git status" as new files begging to be added..
[20:49:15] <jepler> but they do clutter up the directory listing, I'll agree to that
[20:51:28] <andypugh> No, they don't cause any trouble, I was just wondering if they were there as a result of my incompetence with comp, say.
[21:01:47] <jepler> nope, this one is down to my own incompetence
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[22:05:02] <andypugh> seb_kuzminsky: I changed the gearbox component, do you want to see if it work with your old config?
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