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[04:55:24] <garage_seb> oh man i wish my machine had more X travel... oh wait, we have G10 L2 now, yay thanks cradek! <3
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[06:18:09] <mhaberler> jepler: I'm happy to report that your _setup saving suggestion seems to work fine (with a minor twist)
[06:19:25] <mhaberler> the twist: _setup.file_pointer may *not* be saved/restored so as not to disturb the file close/reopen logic of o-word calls, other than that it does the trick
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[06:52:27] <mhaberler> psha: good morning!
[06:52:29] <mhaberler> a) you have mail b) I'm off for a ski tour ;-)
[06:55:26] <psha> ;)
[06:55:40] <psha> good morning
[06:56:23] <psha> while you are here - you may add flag to guard file_pointer
[06:56:47] <mhaberler> important things first:
http://www.bergfex.at/semmering-stuhleck/webcams/c573/
[06:56:49] <mhaberler> what do you mean by that?
[06:57:24] <psha> add another var to _setup dont_touch_file_pointer
[06:57:34] <psha> and in near close/open check for it
[06:57:56] <psha> to stack structure
[06:58:20] <mhaberler> I'll think about it after summiting ;-)
[06:58:55] <psha> sure ;)
[06:59:01] <psha> important things first ;)
[06:59:33] <mhaberler> I found this the only mao saying worth following ;-)
[06:59:41] <mhaberler> cu
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[15:58:38] <jepler> psha: I'm sorry I haven't looked at your asciidoc stuff yet. I'm under the weather for the past few days.
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[18:33:00] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: how does G10 give you more X travel?
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[18:42:52] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: i've got 18 in Y, but only 12 in X, so i rotated g54 by 90 degrees :-)
[18:43:12] <cradek> ah - you mean the other way, I get it
[18:43:37] <seb_kuzminsky> oops yes
[18:43:38] <cradek> I've done that too, even mounted the vise sideways for a certain setup
[18:43:39] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[18:43:56] <seb_kuzminsky> it's working really well, thank you :-)
[18:44:07] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm making a new mounting plate for the rear electronics cabinet
[18:44:14] <cradek> welcome! after long months, I think it's finally all correct
[18:44:14] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm mounting the computer in there finally
[18:44:18] <cradek> slick
[18:44:27] <cradek> in the bottom of the back box?
[18:44:45] <seb_kuzminsky> right, where we originally mounted the mesa daughter boards
[18:44:58] <cradek> I can't wait to see it done
[18:45:07] <seb_kuzminsky> i've added another 7i37 for the control panel, and i'm putting a micro-atx mobo & ps & hdd on the other side
[18:45:15] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll post pics in a day or a few :-)
[18:45:19] <cradek> cool
[18:45:20] <seb_kuzminsky> being unemployed sure is nice :-)
[18:45:24] <cradek> haha
[18:49:24] <andypugh> seb_kuzminsky: Have you had a chance to look at the new-fangled gearchange?
[18:49:47] <cradek> I think he had to run already
[18:50:04] <andypugh> Bah!
[19:01:12] <cradek> I'm itching to branch 2.5
[19:01:14] <cradek> itch itch
[19:04:37] <skunkworks> do it!
[19:04:40] <skunkworks> ;)
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[19:29:50] <psha> jepler: here?
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[19:40:12] <archivist> seb_kuzminsky, unemployed is not nice, no heating, live on rations, cant pay bills
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[20:12:12] <cradek> I bet it's the difference between a bit of unemployment vs a lot of unemployment
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[20:15:50] <archivist> from crap paid job to out of work for over a year
[20:16:52] <cradek> yeah, that qualifies as a lot of unemployment
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[20:35:52] <tom3p> archivist have you looked into retrofitting controls using emc2? any market?
[20:36:14] <archivist> tom3p, done one got paid bugger all
[20:36:21] <psha> archivist: crap paid job is not nice too :)
[20:36:26] <archivist> still owes me
[20:37:21] <tom3p> ouch
[20:37:48] <archivist> you also need some capital....
[20:41:41] <tom3p> got money? no time... got time?? no money ( they're complementary )
[20:42:09] <psha> heh, finding good customer is even harder job then implementing task...
[20:43:24] <archivist> and pay for advertising
[20:43:34] <psha> after i've got reputation it became a bit easier but still not a piece of cake...
[20:44:01] <archivist> that can take many years
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[20:44:41] <tom3p> re:advertising, i saved money by dropping home internet ( use public ) and got a cheap web page for 5$/month, no contracts
[20:44:48] <psha> my first 'freelance' contract was for ~100$ and customer was bargaining for the price...
[20:45:11] <tom3p> I call customers ask the to llok at the page, then visit if another call shows they're interested
[20:45:41] <psha> archivist: yea, i guess it took me ~5 years :)
[20:46:18] <psha> in parallel was writing PhD thesis (which i guess i abandon...)
[20:46:41] <archivist> also did two freelance web projects last year, but where does the next one come from
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[20:59:40] <micges> cradek: hi
[21:15:09] <cradek> hey
[21:19:53] <micges> how is progress on segmentqueue?
[21:20:04] <cradek> abruptly ended
[21:22:58] <cradek> it's in a branch, it kind of works, it will not be lost now
[21:23:02] <cradek> those were my main goals
[21:23:10] <cradek> maybe someone will feel like working on it some more someday.
[21:23:34] <micges> I see
[21:23:53] <andypugh> What was segmentqueue?
[21:24:24] <cradek> a very advanced but never-quite-properly-working trajectory planner that was in emc1
[21:25:06] <cradek> (it was one of two available in emc1 - nobody really used it for real)
[21:26:07] <micges> cradek: what other goodies was on emc1 and was lost on emc1->emc2 change?
[21:26:11] <andypugh> <hides behind sofa> Would it let you jog during pause?
[21:26:23] <cradek> no, that's not a tp issue at all
[21:26:45] <cradek> micges: good question - not sure
[21:26:46] <andypugh> I am confusing Trajectory planner and motion queueu?
[21:27:16] <cradek> andypugh: jogging during pause is more a problem about what to do when you want to later restart
[21:28:01] <cradek> andypugh: segmentqueue joined motion segments together and fit a curve to them and followed that - instead of handling them individually - it was all about keeping velocity up through short segments, which we struggle with in our current planner.
[21:28:18] <andypugh> Well, whatever the operator expects to happen, obviously. How is the "psychic" branch going?
[21:28:26] <skunkworks> heh
[21:28:28] <cradek> micges: I think we've regained everything I can think of (motion synced digital outs was one thing we lost for a while, but now we have that and more)
[21:29:24] <cradek> but segmentqueue is older even than rotary axes in emc1 - it would need a LOT of work to be adequate to replace emc2's planner.
[21:30:02] <andypugh> Hmm, I already have a lot of code for fitting arbitrary-order polynomials to arbitrary-dimension point clouds.
[21:30:49] <psha> andypugh: jogging during during pause is just a matter of correct motion restart...
[21:30:52] <andypugh> And I think that EMC2 currently performs pretty well compared to most other options anyway?
[21:30:53] <archivist> easy to get bitten by curve fitting :)
[21:31:21] <cradek> andypugh: wfm :-)
[21:31:31] <andypugh> archivist: Yes, though this is an easy case, as there is no noise in the input points. It isn't like fitting experimental data.
[21:31:55] <archivist> heh I hade easy known points once!
[21:31:58] <archivist> had
[21:32:36] <archivist> had to use 3 different ones on 2 parts of the curve to get close
[21:32:45] <archivist> 2/3
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