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[06:57:15] <hackjob> Hi
[06:57:35] <hackjob> I need to setup a lathe, hardinge hc basically
[06:58:05] <hackjob> I have some fanuc servos and ballscrews
[06:58:21] <hackjob> and some
[06:59:09] <hackjob> amc brush amps that should work fine
[06:59:40] <hackjob> hoping i can get some questions answered...
[07:00:30] <hackjob> 1) the amps like to have a tach feedback...the fanuc motors only have an encoder, no tach
[07:00:47] <hackjob> can they srill be used ?
[07:01:14] <hackjob> 2 ) Am I going to need some dort of breakout board ?
[07:01:20] <hackjob> sort
[07:02:30] <hackjob> THe fanuc motors lacking a tach output isn't a deal breaker as I alkso have some glentek motors that
[07:03:11] <hackjob> have tach feedback as well as encoder, but iuf possible would like to use the fanuc motors instead.
[07:04:31] <hackjob> anyways appreciate any insight you guys might be able to provide
[07:05:49] <hackjob> I'll check back in the morning it's starting into getting late here on the west coast and probably you guys are crashed
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[07:51:56] <mhaberler> psha: ready to merge? I feel there's a lot of documentation backpressure..
[08:00:14] <psha> i think yes
[08:00:28] <psha> there are some issues left but they may be resolved in-place i hope
[08:00:47] <psha> clean version is in asciidoc-v5
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[08:22:19] <psha> btw great work on stacking
[08:38:45] <mhaberler> thanks! did you try? is it comprehensible?
[08:39:59] <mhaberler> thanks to your patient help, I finally get it with git - super tool; I have no idea why people still use svn (or cvs, like me up to last year..)
[08:41:55] <psha> :)))
[08:42:22] <psha> yea, git is really great when you get used to it
[08:44:38] <psha> with asciidoc work i've get comfortable with rebase - it's good thing to provide clean merge branches
[08:44:53] <psha> and very easy - run git rebase -i and regroup commits
[08:53:34] <mhaberler> I guess you saw the git-test-sequence - good sanity check after rebasing
[08:55:10] <psha> yes, good thing
[08:56:07] <mhaberler> opinion poll: I will introduce read-only variables to the interpreter to find out about state (like 'am I in G20'? 'am I in G91 mode'? etc)
[08:56:23] <mhaberler> options are: more of #5xxx magic
[08:57:19] <mhaberler> next, predefined named parameters like #<_g90> - returns 1 if in G90, 0 if in 91
[08:57:32] <mhaberler> which one do you guys prefer?
[08:57:56] <mhaberler> my vote really goes to named params.. less pawing through the manual and better readability
[09:00:15] <archivist> that helps debugging gcode too
[09:02:28] <psha> sure, named are better
[09:03:37] <mhaberler> remaining question: using same syntax as user named params does pollute this namespace, in theory there could be coliisions with existing code.. #<_g90>
[09:03:51] <mhaberler> option 1: face collision risk and use same syntax
[09:03:58] <mhaberler> option 2: invent new syntax
[09:04:14] <mhaberler> I'm really for option 1
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[09:06:55] <mhaberler> ?
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[09:08:23] <archivist> so picking an obscure example, G5.1 Xn Yn I[X offset] J[Y offset] how does one get other parameters, does it need another syntax or #<_G5.1X>, #<_G5.1Y> #<_G5.1I>.....
[09:12:18] <psha> maybe some prefix?
[09:12:59] <psha> so archivist examples would be #<_prefix:G5.1X> ...
[09:13:31] <mhaberler> let me look up that g5.1 thing
[09:13:44] <archivist> I added a suffix the X I etc
[09:14:19] <mhaberler> hm, these are arguments to an operation in progress
[09:14:44] <mhaberler> I was more thinking about interpreter state which persists between operations (except for those ops which change it)
[09:15:22] <archivist> I did pick one at random to see what turned up :)
[09:15:23] <mhaberler> would you want to access the X/Y offsets of that operation? why? you're passing them as arguments in the first place so you know them?
[09:16:22] <archivist> I wonder it one would read new x y etc after the arrival at new position after the operation
[09:16:36] <mhaberler> oh, definitely
[09:16:57] <mhaberler> to some extent those are in #5xxx - cradek added some recently
[09:17:20] <mhaberler> the programmed point is a good example
[09:17:26] <archivist> but I agree named ones are easier to use
[09:17:32] <mhaberler> yes
[09:18:38] <mhaberler> it really isnt all that important to know all of them before I start; I'll do a separate source file, a name table and accessor functions in a big switch statement, so easy to add
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[09:20:03] <mhaberler> #<_foo> vars get a new attribute internally, namely read-only - new error message if those are on the lhs of an assignment
[09:20:54] <archivist> easy to catch any clashes that way I agree
[09:21:43] <mhaberler> right, that takes out most of the risk wrt backwards compat - she should get an error message at file load time, actuallly
[09:22:52] <mhaberler> assuming there was an assignment to a -now - red-only param in there, that is
[09:23:01] <archivist> include pointer to docs of new feature in the error message
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[09:23:12] <mhaberler> aja.
[09:23:16] <psha> docs, docs
[09:23:22] <psha> cradek: wake up! it's morning already!!11
[09:23:23] <mhaberler> yes, docs, docs, docs
[09:23:29] <archivist> hehe
[09:23:30] <psha> sun is high!
[09:23:46] <mhaberler> cradek: merge time! the Europeans are banging them gates!
[09:23:56] <archivist> we have had breakfast and are at work already!
[09:25:26] <mhaberler> archivist: what's your email/real life name? I always have a hard time correlating irc and mailing list identities..
[09:26:11] <psha> Dave
[09:26:12] <psha> :)
[09:26:19] <psha> (i guess)
[09:27:12] <psha> bbl, head to office
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[09:27:16] <mhaberler> cu!
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[09:34:35] <mhaberler> archivist: introducing R/O named params also gets rid of the cludge in interp_read.cc lines 1847 ff..
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[10:23:27] <archivist> mhaberler, in real life Dave Caroline
[10:23:35] <mhaberler> ah
[10:24:27] <archivist> whats real life anyway...
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[10:24:48] <mhaberler> sex, drugs + rock'n roll
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[13:32:50] <psha[work]> cradek: good morning!
[13:32:54] <psha[work]> :)
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[13:47:30] <mhaberler> davaj, davaj, gospodin ;-)
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[14:52:25] <cradek> psha: is asciidoc-v5 still the right branch?
[14:52:31] <psha> yes
[14:52:58] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/cgit/psha/emc2.git/log/?h=asciidoc-v5
[14:53:06] <psha> at least this one looks like clean :)
[14:53:44] <cradek> ok!
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[14:56:08] <cradek> building.....
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[15:22:56] <mhaberler> whale of a build!
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[16:08:51] <cradek> psha: I wanted to make a minor edit as a test. in docs/src I see .txt, .lyx, and many other files. what do I edit? can you update README there to remove unneeded lyx talk and give basic instructions to new doc writers?
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[16:24:05] <psha> 17:56 < cradek> building.....
[16:24:07] <psha> only this
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[16:24:28] <cradek> skunkworks232: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-pictures-care-o-meter-cat.jpg
[16:24:40] <cradek> 10:08 < cradek> psha: I wanted to make a minor edit as a test. in docs/src I see .txt, .lyx, and many other files. what do I edit? can you update README there to remove unneeded lyx talk and give basic instructions to new doc writers?
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[16:25:36] <skunkworks232> cradek: :) understood. For now. After a few days I will forget again.
[16:25:39] <cradek> hm, I'm failing to talk to psha today
[16:25:49] <mhaberler> net split
[16:26:15] <mhaberler> dont you see his msgs? I see his from 2mins ago
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[16:34:49] <psha> hm, hope netsplit is finished
[16:34:50] <psha> cradek: no, i've not received anything :(
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[16:35:28] <cradek> 10:08 < cradek> psha: I wanted to make a minor edit as a test. in docs/src I see .txt, .lyx, and many other files. what do I edit? can you update README there to remove unneeded lyx talk and give basic instructions to new doc writers?
[16:35:49] <cradek> 44UAAAD5O: ?
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[16:36:25] <mhaberler> cradek: you're touting my horn ;-)
[16:36:33] <archivist> lot of netsplits today
[16:37:11] <cradek> mhaberler: ?
[16:37:15] <cradek> I'm so confused
[16:37:22] <mhaberler> netsplit
[16:37:38] <mhaberler> confused on psha's work?
[16:37:43] <cradek> no, your horn now
[16:38:01] <mhaberler> you make him document his stuff ;-)
[16:38:11] <mhaberler> been there
[16:38:18] <cradek> ahh
[16:38:44] <cradek> well, I couldn't immediately figure out how to edit docs, and I'm the smartest person I know :-)
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[16:45:10] <mhaberler> good club to be in
[16:46:00] <mhaberler> psha: communicado?
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[16:53:27] <psha> yea
[16:53:39] <psha> cradek: i'll update README shortly
[16:53:44] <mhaberler> ahh
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[16:58:33] <cradek> thanks
[17:01:13] <psha> added short info about old LyX files and links to asciidoc cheatsheet and user guide
[17:01:15] <psha> in asciidoc-v5
[17:02:14] <cradek> neat, thanks
[17:02:37] <cradek> should I push? to me, it seems to work.
[17:02:47] <psha> may you repull? i've ammended last commit
[17:03:00] <psha> removed LyX notices from README
[17:03:05] <psha> just left warning about LyX sources
[17:03:33] <psha> also some stamp file magic is needed to stop whole doc rebuilds on any change
[17:06:01] <cradek> ready for push?
[17:10:55] <cradek> maybe we can get some makefile help from others.
[17:11:50] <CIA-5> EMC: 03cradek 07master * r77276b4993e9 10/docs/src/ (links.xslt links_db_gen.py): docs: Added link generation xslt and script
[17:11:57] <CIA-5> EMC: 03cradek 07master * r6a662b1e30c4 10/docs/src/ (9 files): docs: Added asciidoc converter and build scripts
[17:12:08] <CIA-5> EMC: 03cradek 07master * r402733dc597d 10/docs/src/ (78 files in 14 dirs): docs: Convert english docs from LyX to AsciiDoc
[17:12:20] <CIA-5> EMC: 03cradek 07master * rfb91f546c220 10/docs/src/ (17 files in 12 dirs): docs: Manual fixes to several documents
[17:12:30] <CIA-5> EMC: 03cradek 07master * r92d7da1e8b4f 10/docs/src/linuxcnc.css: docs: Add style for NOTE blocks
[17:12:42] <CIA-5> EMC: 03cradek 07master * r994b2c19c540 10/docs/src/ (Makefile linuxcnc.css): docs: Apply linuxcnc.org docs style
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[17:13:04] <skunkworks> yay!!
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[17:13:31] <cradek> GOODBYE LYX
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[17:13:49] <mhaberler> whoa... that wasnt a patch, that was an enema!
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[17:14:16] <cradek> ok that might be it :-)
[17:14:19] <cradek> yayyyy
[17:16:00] <psha> wow
[17:16:08] <psha> thanks!
[17:16:17] <skunkworks> Yay again!
[17:16:34] <skunkworks> Nice work!
[17:16:44] <psha> now i only fear that jeff eat me with shoes :)
[17:16:54] <psha> since i've broken html layout :)
[17:16:58] <mhaberler> looks like it's the 'end of excuses' day wrt documentation..
[17:17:01] <cradek> that is an expression I have never heard...
[17:17:08] <cradek> mhaberler: yes
[17:17:14] <skunkworks> I was thinking something was lost in translastion
[17:17:48] <skunkworks> I was thinking in the middle east - throwing shoes was an insault.
[17:18:06] <mhaberler> these guys learned that in Afghanistan..
[17:18:11] <skunkworks> boy - I seem to be thinking a lot.
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[17:18:37] <psha> skunkworks: thowing shoes is not insault - shoe is usually only suitable thing to throw on press conferences ;)
[17:18:52] <skunkworks> heh
[17:21:27] <psha> also i think that having local Makefile rule to rebuild separate html pages will be usefull
[17:22:26] <skunkworks> cradek: what became of the gantry test rig you made?
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[17:23:33] <cradek> it still awaits me
[17:23:55] <cradek> to make it work again I will need to buy mesa parts - it was running on borrowed parts.
[17:23:59] <skunkworks> ah - ok. just didn't hear about any testing. Thought I missed it.
[17:49:58] <cradek> ah, the old cutter comp argument again. what do I do to deserve this?
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[19:22:33] <mhaberler> state introspection by named parameters: preview at http://git.mah.priv.at/gitweb/emc2-dev.git/shortlog/refs/heads/inspect-wip (fairly solid, actually)
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[19:34:47] <cradek> mhaberler: need to add a check (and move the memset down) in f07e8b5355
[19:35:04] <mhaberler> let me see
[19:35:05] <cradek> also in a9a9f7195ff5 the function is deleted - the other half (addition) is in the next commit
[19:35:32] <cradek> (still building, so I haven't even tried it)
[19:37:00] <mhaberler> uh, ordering again. I named it -wip for a reason ;-) this is straight off the editor and some testing
[19:39:00] <mhaberler> a9a9f7195ff5: I move that function to interp_named.cc so all named param stuff is in one place. git-test-sequence to follow (btw made a wiki entry about git-test-sequence)
[19:42:16] <cradek> I understand - but that commit is only a deletion - it will not build because the function is gone
[19:42:26] <mhaberler> uh
[19:42:28] <cradek> in the next commit you reintroduce the function
[19:42:42] <mhaberler> I'll squash that one into the new function commit
[19:42:49] <cradek> yep that'll fix it
[19:42:53] <psha> mhaberler: rebase -i rocks! :)
[19:45:09] <mhaberler> memset: is deleted in 99ed9b
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[20:55:26] <cradek> mhaberler: cool :-)
[20:55:33] <mhaberler> like it?
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[20:55:51] <mhaberler> hows the breaking going ;-?
[20:56:00] <cradek> who me? I'm not breaking anything.
[20:56:23] <mhaberler> but I expected that as part of quality control ;-)
[20:56:48] <cradek> sorry...
[20:56:53] <cradek> I have to save my mojo for 2.5
[20:56:57] <cradek> ... breaking 2.5
[20:57:15] <mhaberler> sure
[20:58:05] <mhaberler> how should I proceed with this stuff (M70 % introspection) ? I'll clean the history and make sure it's buildable on every commit
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[21:00:38] <cradek> if you say it's done and at least somewhat tested, I'll push it
[21:01:09] <cradek> the features are both nice
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[21:01:45] <cradek> but I admit I'm not entirely sure how M70 should work in some situations
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[21:03:30] <psha> bb all
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[21:03:49] <micges> hello
[21:05:13] <micges> I just got my mpg and plugged it into joints_axes3 - results are few unexpected moves and strange behaviours
[21:05:35] <micges> I've locate all bugs but it take some time to fix and test them
[21:10:56] <mhaberler> cradek: ok, I'll play some more with it and see how I can cook a bit of asciidoc as well; will come back when it's ready - thanks for testing!
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[21:32:19] <andypugh> Mesa's Smart Serial devices use dual-ported RAM, where writing to and reading from the same address does not necessarily return the same result.
[21:33:20] <andypugh> To create a more generic interface for those devices, we have been discussing just exposing the registers as HAL pins, and then handling them with separate HAL components, loaded as required.
[21:33:51] <andypugh> I wonder if two read-write HAL pins can be used to handle the 4 registers of data?
[21:35:50] <micges> probably yes
[21:36:20] <andypugh> You would probably need to addf the read and write functions in the right order.
[21:36:30] <micges> yes
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