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[07:24:05] <mhaberler> I'd have a structural question on task.. is there any strong reason against task directly owning HAL pins?
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[13:54:01] <alex_joni> mhaberler: it would be best if it didn't
[13:54:05] <alex_joni> architecture wise
[13:54:29] <alex_joni> but maybe one day we'll just say sod it, and replace task and have one with pins and needles :D
[13:55:59] <mhaberler> oh, architecture - any references?
[13:57:18] <mhaberler> I have trouble understanding some of those aspects - like having extra components, feeding them with gobs of NML messages, and in the end all they do is wiggle bits - in a very restrictive way, that is
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[13:59:46] <cradek> mhaberler: those pieces are older than HAL. previously you'd do integtation by writing C that accepts the NML and manipulates your hardware/machine accordingly.
[14:00:04] <cradek> that sucked, so someone put HAL pins there
[14:00:16] <mhaberler> aha
[14:01:33] <mhaberler> it looks like some of micges work comes to pass, from iotask_remove - a bit of massaging task and iocontrol is history, I'd guess
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[14:10:22] <alex_joni> right
[14:10:36] <alex_joni> iotask doesn't really make that much sense these days
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[14:27:25] <cradek> making the thinnest shim possible between nml and hal pins made sense, but the scheme is insufficient because hal can't do things like manipulate the tool table.
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[15:37:37] <tom3p> i got AsciiSTL object to work in vismach, made in HeeksCad, added filename scaling translation into the vismach gui ok.
[15:37:38] <tom3p> might there be a way to do game type graphic collision detection? i'd like to simulate setting 0 of new electrode when it touches STL workpiece.
[15:40:13] <tom3p> http://imagebin.org/157186
[15:44:15] <tom3p> http://imagebin.org/157187
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[15:56:46] <skunkworks_> tom3p: cool!
[16:03:31] <tom3p> thx, still want an emc edm
[16:04:30] <skunkworks_> Is this just a proof of concept?
[16:16:33] <cradek> JT-Shop: is
http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/0001-ngcgui-for-v2.5.patch something we should push to 2.5 branch?
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[16:24:10] <tom3p> skunkworks hope so! ;)
[16:26:21] <skunkworks_> are you planning on using adaptive feed?
[16:26:32] <JT-Shop> YES! if that is the latest one
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[16:27:06] <JT-Shop> Yep that is it
[16:27:49] <tom3p> skunkworks, no all done in HAL ( so inda, yes, the adaptive feed is a HAL widget that sets a signed velocity proportional to gap feedback, and no not the emc reduction scheme )
[16:27:58] <tom3p> so kinda...
[16:28:27] <skunkworks_> ah
[16:28:28] <tom3p> the emc unforch becomes a poser and hal becomes the cnc
[16:28:51] <JT-Shop> cradek: Yes! :)
[16:37:38] <KimK> I'd like wire EDM, looking forward to the day when a handwheel can retrace the (continous path) g-code in reverse, to move the wire "backwards" down the slot a little, for extra flushing, etc, without unthreading. This is not easy, could be 3-D 4-axis if XY, UV. Simpler if only XY is allowed.
[16:41:45] <tom3p> KimK, the tp does not allow for any nonforward motion, thats why i went to Hal ( its that or rewrite the in position on time core of emc )
[16:43:25] <tom3p> this is very very old argument, lets avoid it. theres ways to do simple edm using hal and orthagonal axis ( like orbiting and sinking but not wedm )
[16:45:01] <KimK> Relax, I'm not arguing. Just looking ahead.
[16:48:07] <cradek> sometimes people see "that would be cool - someone should do it" vs. "that's extremely hard, so I'm not doing it" as an argument - it is not
[16:57:37] <tom3p> heh i'm still trying
[17:04:19] <JT-Shop> KimK: are you doing anything in the user manual at this time? I noticed something missing in G41/42 description but I don't want to make a change if your working on it too...
[17:06:54] <KimK> Not officially, I'm trying to limit myself to the Integrator and the French on this round, but can't promise no collisions. Go ahead and make your changes, if anything goes awry, I'll sort it out.
[17:07:57] <KimK> JT-Shop: I think I've got a couple of collisions ahead anyway, so no big deal.
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[21:28:36] <CIA-9> EMC: 03jthornton 07v2.5_branch * raffd61516d43 10/docs/src/gcode/main.txt: Docs: add info on using L word with g41.1/42/1
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[22:01:14] * JT-Shop thinks CIA-9 was asleep
[22:02:58] <KimK> Ha, yes, I got the "no pull" quite a while ago. I haven't looked at it yet, will soon, I'm committing some stuff now.
[22:14:25] <JT-Shop> I pushed that about lunch time
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