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[00:02:46] <KimK> Will 2.5.0 be able to run on 8.04?
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[01:47:14] <cradek> yes all of the 2.5 series will run on 8.04
[01:47:28] <cradek> (jeez we've got to get the thing released)
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[01:48:00] <KimK> Thanks! And on that line, any thoughts on the above (1-2 screensful back?)
[01:48:17] <KimK> My scripting troubleshooting, I mean?
[01:49:47] <cradek> you are on 2.5 branch?
[01:50:03] <KimK> Yes, 2.5
[01:51:22] <KimK> I wish I knew more about make/Makefile/Submakefile. I'm willing to troubleshoot, but I haven't Googled a gold mine of troubleshooting advice yet.
[01:51:44] <cradek> I feel the same way
[01:52:22] <KimK> I have done "make" with output to a log file for review, and just plain make in case the log file was screwing things up.
[01:53:05] <cradek> I'm trying the build now
[01:54:38] <KimK> I followed SWPs advice, and have not pushed much or any of this mess.
[01:55:19] <KimK> Docs build on my unremarkable but recent system takes 5-6 minutes.
[01:56:18] <cradek> my system is neither remarkable nor recent, and it takes a whole lot longer than that
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[02:07:06] <KimK> I think it said I was 29 commits ahead. I'm still not 100% sure I haven't screwed something up. But I guess press forward and we'll see. I'm likely to get blamed for a lot of things, lol!
[02:07:34] <KimK> git blame ---> KIM!
[02:07:36] <cradek> still building here...
[02:08:55] <skunkworks_> cradek: your probing routines are awesome! thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOi51ogqels
[02:09:09] <cradek> cool, welcome!
[02:09:28] <cradek> soooooo nice to have a probe
[02:09:49] <KimK> Hi Sam, what size ball did the Chinese Renishaw folks give you?
[02:10:26] <skunkworks_> 5mm
[02:10:30] <KimK> Hi Ray! How are you! I see you're going to be at the CNC Workshop.
[02:10:41] <cradek> rayh!
[02:11:33] <rayh> Hi Chris
[02:11:46] <rayh> Hi Kim
[02:12:07] <KimK> Good to see you here, you've been busy?
[02:12:19] <rayh> CNC workshop. Yep. George twisted my arm.
[02:12:59] <cradek> KimK:
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=x2Yj445q
[02:13:58] <skunkworks_> rayh: ! :)
[02:14:45] <rayh> Hi Sam
[02:14:51] <KimK> cradek: Well, looks like you've got a full boat there, doesn't it? I wonder what's wrong on my end?
[02:15:08] <cradek> I'm at v2.5.0-pre1-340-g0ca6191
[02:16:06] <KimK> That doesn't come up in git status does it. Where do I find that?
[02:16:20] <cradek> that's the output of git describe
[02:16:32] <cradek> the thing after the last -g is the git rev that you can see in gitk etc
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[02:20:14] <KimK> rayh: I have been doing a lot of editing on the docs for the 2.5 manuals, I hope they're better. Comments invited. I'd like to preview you copies if you have time and if you're interested in reviewing the edited manuals. (And if I can figure out how to do it, I'm having a little trouble building at the moment, lol!)
[02:20:31] <KimK> I get v2.5.0-pre1-369-g5aff155
[02:20:51] <cradek> then you have 29 commits that I don't have
[02:21:10] <cradek> unfortunately one (or more) of them is your problem...
[02:21:47] <KimK> That agrees with git status too. OK, so this would be the place to use git divide-and-conquer, or whatever it's called?
[02:22:24] <rayh> Kimk: Are these the ones available from the docs section on .org?
[02:22:55] <KimK> I'd rather troubleshoot it, but I guess I'd settle for knowing how far back I broke it?
[02:23:07] <cradek> yes
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/ is periodically regenerated
[02:23:16] <rayh> Thanks
[02:23:44] <KimK> rayh: Yes, eventually, but I have all the recent changes here, I was advised not to push them until I know why it's broke.
[02:23:55] <cradek> if you know 0ca6191 is good and 5aff155 is bad, you can give that information to git bisect, and it will help you find the commit that breaks it
[02:24:28] <cradek> git-bisect manpage:
http://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-bisect.html
[02:24:31] <KimK> Git bisect, that was it. OK, I'll try it.
[02:25:33] <rayh> Is there a target release date for 2.5?
[02:26:30] <cradek> I have not set a date
[02:27:16] <cradek> I'm moving house mid-July, so ideally before or after that
[02:29:01] <rayh> Just the word "moving" puts a twist in my gut!
[02:29:25] <cradek> yep, I'm both excited and twisty
[02:29:27] <rayh> Lincoln still?
[02:29:32] <cradek> yes (yay)
[02:29:45] <rayh> That helps.
[02:30:53] <rayh> I've been reading the current (2.4) docs and you guys have done really good stuff.
[02:31:08] <KimK> Need volunteer movers in July?
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[02:31:31] <cradek> KimK: since I like my friends, I'm going to use paid movers!
[02:31:39] <cradek> KimK: I really appreciate the offer though.
[02:31:45] <KimK> Ha! OK, that works.
[02:32:10] <cradek> they can do the heavy/awkward stuff. I can do the fragile stuff.
[02:32:11] <KimK> I'll just have beer and pizza here in Omaha on your moving day, then.
[02:32:41] <cradek> rayh: appreciate that. 2.5 is even better.
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[02:33:15] <cradek> KimK: virtual pizza party! you're back in omaha now?
[02:34:35] <KimK> rayh: Yes, I'm curious what people will think about the 2.5 docs. I took about 60 pages of HAL stuff out of the Integrator manual and put it in HAL. It was either that or put the rest of the HAL manual in the Integ manual and get rid of the HAL manual. I thought that was going too far.
[02:35:47] <rayh> That is an issue that's been going on since JohnK first built it.
[02:36:13] <KimK> cradek: Yes, I've been back in Omaha for awhile, but still looking for real work. rayh: If you hear of any work that might be good, please let me know.
[02:36:32] <cradek> yikes, you've been out of it for a long time now.
[02:37:00] <KimK> Yes, and the old piggy bank doesn't rattle much anymore.
[02:40:12] <KimK> Plus I've done some of the "roughing" work to get the French docs caught up closer to the English ones. I can't do proper translation, but I can fake it, and I can use Google French <--> English. So that should help the "real" translator, whoever that turns out to be.
[02:41:49] <rayh> Where is Patrice when we need him.
[02:44:55] <KimK> I left the "2.3" at the top of the French docs, though, as I'm not sure I've improved them to 2.4, lol.
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[02:53:38] <KimK> cradek: I tried starting git bisect, but it wants me to commit my uncommitted stuff first. OK, I'm doing that now.
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[17:27:19] <KimK> cradek: When you did your test build for me earlier, that was just with "--enable-build-documentation"?
[17:27:32] <cradek> yes
[17:29:18] <KimK> OK, thanks. Git bisect says my build broke early on, 2nd commit. But that commit was astonishingly trivial, just a couple of "little-bitty" edits to two files. I'm still trying to figure it out.
[17:30:13] <KimK> I thought it would surely be one of my "kitchen-sink" commits, but no.
[17:38:36] <SWPadnos> KimK, look for little-bitty punctuation changes
[17:38:52] <SWPadnos> or post a diff, if you feel like having a few more eyes on it
[17:41:57] <KimK> OK, thanks, SWP, I'll work on that, it will take me a bit to arrange. How's your cold? Did the OJ help?
[17:42:17] <SWPadnos> still have the cold. just started on the OJ, so it's too soon to tell :)
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[18:46:18] <andypugh> Feature or bug?
http://imagebin.org/158096
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