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[00:43:32] <CIA-11> EMC: 03kkirwan 07v2.5_branch * rf3537eb23734 10/docs/src/ (24 files in 2 dirs): Docs: More minor fixes for User Manual (4-lang)
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[00:45:28] <skunkworks> cradek: now - during a tool change - the locking rotory unlocks and locks even though the table doesn't have to rotate. In head.
[00:45:47] <skunkworks> Threw me off for a second. :)
[00:46:07] <skunkworks> but that is better than it trying to move the rotory while locked :)
[00:46:34] <skunkworks> and I think* it only does it the first time the tool change is called during the emc session
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[14:06:18] <jepler> cradek: OK for 2.5? This patch corrects the direction of the motion.motion-enabled pin. But it might break a configuration that linked an OUT pin on the same net.
http://emergent.unpy.net/files/sandbox/0001-motion-fix-direction-of-motion-enabled-pin.patch
[14:06:34] <jepler> alternately, the doc change (only) should go in 2.5 and the behavioral change in master..
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[15:06:16] <cradek> with your change, there are two pins, and -enable is in, -enabled is out?
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[15:15:17] <jepler> Right now there is motion.enable and motion.motion-enabled
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[15:15:37] <jepler> incorrectly, they're both declared and documented as inputs to motion
[15:15:46] <jepler> even though motion.motion-enabled has always been an output
[15:16:17] <cradek> so confusing
[15:16:19] <jepler> (in non-comp components we don't have any way to diagnose writes to pins that are created as outputs)
[15:16:22] <jepler> I know
[15:16:39] <cradek> what's the standard for this? I've seen .enable and .is-enabled a lot (halui?)
[15:16:55] <cradek> if so, I'd make motion match that, since you're breaking compatibility anyway
[15:17:05] <cradek> no reason to keep the silly motion.motion-
[15:18:06] <jepler> if you like, I can change the name at the same time. The halui standard might be as good a standard to follow as any, but I'm sure I could find a counterexample too
[15:18:15] <cradek> oh surely
[15:18:36] <cradek> I think 'the halui standard' is a pretty clear way to do it
[15:18:58] <cradek> changing the pin name at the same time as changing the direction might make any breakage less obscure
[15:19:03] <jepler> I think this pin is the only motion.motion pin
[15:19:20] <jepler> on the other hand, if there are some configurations that link another IN pin on the same net as motion.motion-enabled, they'll continue to work
[15:19:34] <jepler> (if you had guessed at the true purpose of the pin and ignored its declared direction)
[15:20:33] <cradek> hmm
[15:20:47] <cradek> still, I think if it's crazy, change it
[15:21:24] <jepler> OK.
[15:21:29] <jepler> so what about 2.5?
[15:21:38] <jepler> document motion.motion-enabled as deprecated?
[15:22:02] <cradek> yes, do we have a wiki page yet?
[15:22:11] <jepler> looks like in ancient history that was a parameter, not a pin. When it was a parameter, it was correctly labeled HAL_RO
[15:22:37] <jepler> in 2008 it was changed to a pin and incorrectly marked HAL_IN
[15:22:41] <cradek> lovely
[15:22:56] <cradek> quite probably, nobody is using it
[15:24:32] <jepler> so that means it was wrong during the 2.3 and 2.4 release cycles
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[15:27:37] <jepler> to be honest, I'm not sure what the interpretation of motion.is-enabled is. If it's the same as "machine on", we should just deprecate in 2.5 and remove in master.
[15:28:10] <cradek> that's fine with me, too
[15:28:59] <cradek> does it sound like I don't have strong feelings about this? it's because I don't
[15:29:51] <anonimasu> hmm
[15:30:16] <anonimasu> cradek: i use that pin to inhibit controlled motion until my motors are set up
[15:30:27] <anonimasu> actually motion.enable
[15:31:05] <cradek> pretty sure nobody's suggesting getting rid of motion.enable
[15:31:10] <cradek> that's the one that makes sense
[15:32:04] <cradek> bbl, have to do some moving
[15:32:30] <jepler> incidentally, motion.motion-enabled is labeled as "subject to change or removal at any time" in the manpage
[15:32:49] <jepler> (I think that all the converted paramters got documented that way by me)
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[15:42:11] <jepler> halui.machine.is-on and axis.#.amp-enable-out both seem to track the same underlying thing as motion.motion-enabled
[15:42:32] <jepler> of course, halui.machine.is-on can lag the pins actually set by motion
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