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[21:00:17] <jmkasunich> I prefer to be not hungry
[21:00:24] <les> heh
[21:00:37] <les> it is a bit tough to go without
[21:00:42] <les> lord knows I have
[21:01:17] <les> But I just want to make things
[21:01:20] <jmkasunich> the things I hate the most about my current job are the things I'd wind up having to do as a business anyway
[21:01:27] <les> don't care about much else
[21:01:50] <jmkasunich> the thing I hate the most is when schedule takes priority over getting it
[21:01:53] <jmkasunich> oops
[21:02:01] <jmkasunich> getting it "right" aka perfect
[21:02:11] <les> jmk: there is nothing like being the boss.
[21:02:25] <jmkasunich> that has both good and bad sides
[21:02:34] <les> Really my customers are the boss...I will bend over backwards for them
[21:02:35] <jmkasunich> no pressure like being the boss, that's for sure
[21:02:45] <les> but somehow it seems different
[21:03:31] <les> We go to engineering school to do what we are good at and get nice job offers
[21:03:58] <les> I kinda wish I had just started out in business right after graduation
[21:04:34] <les> but at the time the offers were irresistable
[21:04:51] <les> when your only transportation was a 10 speed
[21:05:10] <jmkasunich> see, that's where we're different... I went to engineering school because I live to design/engineer things... the job offers were nice, but not the main reason
[21:05:31] <jmkasunich> I _don't_ want to manage... if I had my way I'd live in the lab
[21:05:36] <les> I had a little differnt history
[21:05:46] <jmkasunich> can't to that and satisify customers at the same time
[21:05:53] <jmkasunich> s/to/do/
[21:05:59] <les> dropped out of school after two years
[21:06:02] <anonimasu> * anonimasu agrees
[21:06:11] <les> went to harris semi as a tech
[21:06:15] <anonimasu> I hate doing office work
[21:06:29] <les> was promoted to engineer without a degree
[21:06:43] <les> new that was as far as I would get
[21:07:00] <les> so went back and swore I would be a manager in four years
[21:07:03] <les> I was.
[21:07:12] <anonimasu> :(
[21:07:42] <les> I am not a good manager....but they peter principle the title
[21:07:47] <jmkasunich> being promoted to manager would be the worst possible thing for me
[21:07:55] <anonimasu> I dont like working like that.. depending on others to do stuff for me just makes me annoyed..
[21:08:30] <les> Well I still did engineering myself
[21:08:53] <les> I don't like meetings so I only talked with my engineers once a week
[21:09:00] <anonimasu> oh that's better
[21:09:01] <les> and only for a few minutes
[21:09:04] <anonimasu> hm ok
[21:09:35] <jmkasunich> then your case is exceptional.. you were a manager in name only
[21:09:46] <les> exactly correct
[21:10:20] <jmkasunich> my boss was promoted from engineering to manager several years ago... and I've watched as the rest of his hair fell out, and he got ulcers... he _really_ misses the engineering...
[21:10:36] <les> whan our stuff created a division they sent me off to the corporate think tank with a fellowship...not to manage the division
[21:10:39] <anonimasu> lost he's spirit.. slowly
[21:10:43] <jmkasunich> in 99.99% of the cases, promotion into management is the end of your engineering life
[21:11:09] <les> I should mention though...
[21:11:18] <les> I ended up in the hospital
[21:11:29] <anonimasu> stress?
[21:11:39] <les> worked myself to the point where my blood sugar went nuts
[21:11:48] <les> yes it was stress.
[21:12:01] <les> not diabetes or anything...just stress
[21:12:03] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:12:41] <anonimasu> when working way too much
[21:12:53] <anonimasu> and never getting time to think about somthing else..
[21:13:28] <les> aw I would never think about anything else anyway
[21:14:04] <anonimasu> work == hobby ;)
[21:14:33] <les> I always asked about hobbies in interviews
[21:14:50] <les> I wanted people with an intense hobby
[21:15:03] <les> similar to what we were doing at work
[21:15:11] <les> so when I hired them
[21:15:21] <les> they just came to play really
[21:15:33] <anonimasu> * anonimasu knows how that is
[21:15:43] <anonimasu> it
[21:15:48] <anonimasu> it's the same as my work now :)
[21:15:57] <les> So I didn't have to" Manage" them
[21:15:58] <narnia> well from where i sit be glad you all have jobs.
[21:16:05] <les> which is dumb anyway
[21:16:12] <anonimasu> hehe
[21:16:32] <les> narnia: you saw my little history....
[21:16:49] <les> perhaps I have a job now
[21:17:12] <les> making a lot and wondering how to sustain it
[21:17:24] <les> sell sell sell basically
[21:17:42] <les> or starve starve starve hehe
[21:18:15] <anonimasu> yep
[21:19:29] <les> I think small business is the way to go
[21:19:32] <narnia> well, try being 52yo and have multiple physical challenges (the result of a work accident 26nov 1996). b.s.e.e from university of illinois is all but useless in finding any type of work.
[21:19:48] <les> but lots of patience and sacrifice is required for sure
[21:20:05] <les> I am 51
[21:20:18] <les> oh and amazing:
[21:20:20] <narnia> 8+yr legal nightmare. next court date is 9 mar 2005.
[21:20:25] <anonimasu> I am 20
[21:21:10] <les> I am the advisor for the U. of illinois mechanical engineering senior project this year!
[21:21:25] <les> (fromChicago)
[21:21:34] <narnia> i thought you were in georgia.
[21:21:41] <les> I am!
[21:22:00] <anonimasu> :)
[21:22:18] <les> Have to go up there some.
[21:22:24] <les> To circle.
[21:22:28] <narnia> since 26 nov 1996 i have worked perhaps 2 yrs total.
[21:23:06] <les> but have some ok insurance and work.comp money?
[21:23:30] <narnia> les, well no. that is what the 8+yr legal nightmare is all about.
[21:23:41] <les> oh sorry to hear that
[21:24:14] <les> I was in court a lot up there
[21:24:20] <narnia> the consulting company i was working for at the time of the accident lied about having valid workman's compensation insurance.
[21:24:25] <les> but always only patent law
[21:24:48] <narnia> the insurance they did have was a fraud.
[21:24:53] <anonimasu> narnia: will you win?
[21:24:54] <les> oh
[21:25:22] <narnia> anonimasu, i doubt it. the american legal system is a game played by the lawyers.
[21:26:28] <les> reminds me a little of when my daughter was born
[21:26:36] <les> just out of school
[21:26:49] <les> premature with big problems
[21:26:51] <narnia> the entire work comp claim has kicked to the illinois work comp guarantee trust fund. the consulting company is off the hook. had 2.5 yrs of stays of litigation will numerous states sorted out the insurance company fraud.
[21:26:55] <les> 100,000 bill
[21:27:05] <les> which is like 250,000 now
[21:27:12] <les> insurance cancelled
[21:27:18] <anonimasu> :/
[21:27:41] <les> yeah.
[21:28:03] <anonimasu> I am happy that we dont have a system with insurance like that over here..
[21:28:05] <narnia> the only asset left is the house.
[21:28:14] <anonimasu> I wouldnt ever get one..
[21:28:20] <anonimasu> :)
[21:28:28] <les> Chicago lawyers wer eager to take the case and sue for malpractice
[21:28:39] <les> but I did not
[21:28:50] <les> it was a mistake by an intern
[21:29:04] <les> would have destroyed a carrear
[21:29:16] <les> carreer
[21:29:21] <les> ha one r
[21:29:35] <les> but I was not that forgiving
[21:29:53] <les> father in law paid it.
[21:30:03] <narnia> will after many surgeries and dealing with numerous doctors i would not have been so merciful. there are a couple doctors i know of that need their careers ruined.
[21:30:14] <les> yes
[21:30:41] <anonimasu> if you get sick in this town you might aswell go down to the bicycle shop and get a diagnosis..
[21:30:42] <les> Well I would have had to sue if the bill had not been taken care of.
[21:31:32] <anonimasu> I'd love to sue some people here..
[21:31:57] <alex_joni> hey an0n.. how's life
[21:32:05] <alex_joni> hey les
[21:32:12] <les> hi alex
[21:32:13] <alex_joni> hello others..
[21:32:13] <anonimasu> alex_joni: It's ok
[21:32:19] <anonimasu> :)
[21:32:19] <anonimasu> alex_joni: with you?
[21:32:22] <narnia> the accident trashed the left side of my body, collapsed the right lung (lungs tend to not like pieces of metal sticking in them. ) so i am left limping, a left arm which is basically a helper arm, and 1.5 lungs.
[21:32:23] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has been distracted so far ..
[21:32:25] <anonimasu> it only took them 10 years to find out I had rheumatism :)
[21:32:55] <les> so narnia...what are you wanting to do with your career?
[21:33:41] <les> you have a multi million dollar education in your head...
[21:33:42] <narnia> what career? as the lawyers abtly put it i am a walking liability.
[21:34:11] <les> oh I see...prior stuff
[21:34:12] <narnia> i am in pain 24/7.
[21:34:21] <les> consult!!!!
[21:34:28] <narnia> i am not allowed to drive.
[21:34:46] <narnia> so i am basically homebound. same walls 24/7.
[21:34:53] <les> I don't drive much
[21:35:03] <les> Well so am I really
[21:35:12] <les> I am way out in the woods here
[21:36:14] <les> Does any med work ok for you?
[21:36:22] <narnia> i have sent out thousands of resumes. i have been told way to many times. "a one-handed engineer is about as good as a one-handed pianist"
[21:36:23] <les> just to get by and feel ok?
[21:36:53] <narnia> nothing short of oxycodone.
[21:37:18] <narnia> then i am in a mental fog.
[21:37:38] <les> Well I was bugging JMK to go out on his own but that is REALLY the ticket for you
[21:38:06] <narnia> there is absolutely no money left. zero.
[21:38:23] <les> take the oxycodone when you have to..and do some engineering
[21:38:36] <les> law dogs took it?
[21:38:53] <narnia> i receive a whomping $108.00 usd per month for a service connected disability (courtesy of the viet nam era) from the v.a.
[21:39:14] <anonimasu> ouch
[21:39:48] <les> We have a pretty bad support system inthis country
[21:40:01] <les> get sick= die
[21:40:05] <narnia> lawyers do not get anything until i would happen to win. then under illinois work comp law they are limited to only 20percent of the final settlement.
[21:40:15] <les> hmm
[21:40:22] <les> you in Chicago?
[21:40:41] <narnia> i am 79 miles west of america's tallest target.
[21:40:51] <les> rockford?
[21:40:54] <alex_joni> an0n: I'm as always... busy, and my eyes hurt ;)
[21:41:01] <anonimasu> :(
[21:41:03] <narnia> dekalb county, illinois
[21:41:16] <anonimasu> I need to leave for a little bit I'll be back shortly
[21:41:24] <narnia> anonimasu, okay
[21:41:31] <les> yes I flew there a lot working with northern illinois u
[21:41:43] <narnia> niu is 6 miles from me.
[21:41:53] <les> love the corn festival
[21:42:19] <les> narnia: think you are fit to do some engineering at this time?
[21:42:55] <narnia> corn fest has gone down hill since monsanto purchased dekalb ag. monsanto has left the area. there is nothing left of dekalb ag.
[21:43:04] <les> hmm
[21:43:13] <les> well I have been away 4 years
[21:43:18] <les> I was in dupage
[21:43:30] <narnia> naperville?
[21:43:36] <les> medinah
[21:43:45] <les> close
[21:44:38] <les> I am a pilot, and the dekalb airport was a favorite short trip
[21:44:50] <narnia> filed for social security disability and ssa is waiting to see what happens with the work comp claim.
[21:45:14] <les> well I can offer this:
[21:45:22] <les> you of course know ITW
[21:45:36] <les> I am a bit involved with them
[21:45:40] <narnia> illinois tool works
[21:45:47] <les> at corporate
[21:46:25] <les> If you are up to it I could check out the possibilities for some work
[21:46:32] <les> work at home
[21:46:45] <narnia> talked with them a couple of years ago. they gave the old. "you have too much experience you would be bored with this job."
[21:46:59] <les> who did you talk to?
[21:47:09] <narnia> some person in h.r.
[21:47:11] <les> which division (there are 600)
[21:47:45] <les> we have thousands of ee's
[21:47:54] <narnia> they had some opening in i.t. department. unix sys admin and network admin.
[21:48:06] <les> glenview?
[21:48:16] <narnia> yes.
[21:48:26] <les> ok that is where I worked
[21:48:37] <les> I know why that happened
[21:48:47] <narnia> why?
[21:49:01] <les> trashed all the unix and went to MS
[21:49:19] <narnia> gag, gag
[21:49:26] <les> except for some sun engineering systems
[21:50:06] <narnia> so to keep my skills up somewhat i work on opensource projects. hence my involvement with brl-cad and emc.
[21:50:07] <alex_joni> bleah... really?
[21:50:16] <les> cool
[21:50:28] <alex_joni> who would go from unix to m$ ?
[21:50:36] <narnia> i have never ever done windows.
[21:50:51] <les> I am trying to sell emc as factory automation there...cool reception so far at glenview
[21:50:59] <alex_joni> I do windows.. but not for crucial systems ;) (only desktop)
[21:51:30] <narnia> no windows boxes here. imacs, emacs, or linux only.
[21:51:41] <les> I will be up there soon...have to design some sray gun tronics
[21:51:47] <alex_joni> * alex_joni hates emacs
[21:51:52] <les> spray
[21:51:57] <narnia> alex_joni, why?
[21:52:06] <alex_joni> never got used to it
[21:52:41] <narnia> macos-x 10.3 (panther) is pretty solid.
[21:52:48] <alex_joni> probably didn't take enough time for it
[21:52:50] <les> narnia: so you are an ee doing a lot of IT stuff?
[21:53:00] <narnia> yes.
[21:53:04] <les> hmm
[21:53:22] <les> lots of robotics and real time stuff?
[21:53:43] <narnia> sys admin, network admin, db admin, system programming, application programming.
[21:53:54] <alex_joni> darn... I'll never weld again
[21:54:02] <alex_joni> at least not till monday
[21:54:05] <alex_joni> :)
[21:54:12] <les> can you do RT application stuff?
[21:54:31] <narnia> the state of illinois sent me to n.i.u to get my ccna and ccnp certs. did not do a while lot of good in getting a job though.
[21:54:41] <narnia> emc.
[21:54:58] <les> well what I am getting at is
[21:55:08] <les> I could put a word in.
[21:55:37] <les> I am a fellow of the ITW corporate advanced research group
[21:56:45] <narnia> listening
[21:56:56] <les> Sounds like you have some grate skills
[21:57:12] <alex_joni> even great
[21:57:20] <les> and the diablement...well...they put up with me....hehe
[21:57:38] <les> I was always one to put up with
[21:57:51] <les> I usually did not even go to the office
[21:58:05] <les> worked on new products in the garage
[21:58:13] <les> and they let me
[21:58:29] <les> sounds like an ok outfit huh?
[21:58:36] <narnia> yes
[21:59:06] <les> well email me later about what you do etc and I will try
[21:59:20] <les> like I said I will be up there soon for a bit
[21:59:32] <narnia> okay.
[21:59:56] <les> have to design a 100kV supply for a spray gun
[22:00:02] <les> six watts
[22:00:06] <les> air powered
[22:00:25] <les> and no turbines (that is patented by competition)
[22:00:44] <les> oh and in the handle of the gun
[22:01:21] <les> also, we are starting production of the encoder I designed here for ITW Switches
[22:01:29] <les> must set up the line
[22:02:08] <les> must write software that measures accuracy and writes corrections via rs232 to each device
[22:02:25] <les> operating system has not been decided!!]
[22:03:20] <les> this is a car part.
[22:03:54] <les> you would think CAN buss right?
[22:03:58] <les> not this time.
[22:04:34] <les> lots of work...stock is through the roof
[22:04:54] <les> remember times have been very very bad last couple of years
[22:05:01] <les> much better now
[22:05:57] <les> [email protected]
[22:09:57] <les> I have been cooking a big corned beef for the last four hours and I think it's done
[22:10:32] <les> now time to peel potatos and cut up cabbage and carrots
[22:10:51] <les> it will taste GRATE (not great)
[22:10:54] <les> haha
[22:10:57] <les> later all
[22:11:00] <alex_joni> grate?
[22:11:03] <alex_joni> later les
[22:25:17] <CIA-4> 03paul_c 07bdi-4 * 10emc2/src/emc/drivers/sensoray/sensoray526.c: Missed a local var definition..
[22:33:27] <robin_sz> hmmm ... I wonder what this "sensoray" thing is ... paul_c seems to be working away on it.
[22:33:37] <alex_joni> robin: hey
[22:33:42] <alex_joni> it's a pc104 card
[22:34:58] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to sleep
[22:35:04] <alex_joni> catch you tomorrow guys
[22:35:08] <alex_joni> night
[22:35:21] <paul_c> * paul_c sneaks up on alex_joni
[22:35:24] <robin_sz> http://www.sensoray.com/html/425data.htm
[22:35:27] <robin_sz> this ?
[22:35:30] <alex_joni> too late paul_c
[22:35:36] <alex_joni> 526... but close
[22:37:44] <robin_sz> * robin_sz stares at the 526
[22:37:54] <robin_sz> umm .. right.
[22:38:18] <alex_joni> well.. night
[22:38:39] <robin_sz> interesting concept ...
[22:39:56] <robin_sz> it will be interesting to see what happens with the new G200X and servos
[22:40:20] <les> cooking the carrots and potatoes now
[22:40:24] <les> heh
[22:40:41] <robin_sz> bugger me! .. its Dan Quail!!
[22:40:47] <les> corned beef is done
[22:40:48] <robin_sz> hi Dan!
[22:40:52] <les> haw
[22:41:27] <les> hey I have to feed my 98 year old grandmother down the street
[22:41:39] <robin_sz> amazing how that little spelling mistake will haunt him or many years yet
[22:41:46] <les> yup
[22:41:47] <robin_sz> coo. 98
[22:41:57] <robin_sz> will she make it to 100? ...
[22:42:16] <les> healthier than me...I suspect so
[22:42:22] <les> paul met her
[22:42:29] <A-L-P-H-A> what's the command to display hidden files? "LS <something>"
[22:42:34] <robin_sz> do you get a letter from the president or anyting at 100?
[22:42:36] <les> ask him
[22:42:37] <robin_sz> ls -ail
[22:42:44] <A-L-P-H-A> thanks
[22:42:51] <robin_sz> its the -a that does it
[22:42:56] <robin_sz> "all"
[22:43:01] <les> only you guys get the telegram from the queen
[22:43:06] <robin_sz> yep
[22:43:19] <robin_sz> and, usually an invite to a garden party
[22:43:22] <robin_sz> AFAIK
[22:43:25] <les> wow
[22:43:37] <robin_sz> Len Vale-Onslow wanted to go on his bike
[22:43:45] <les> ha
[22:43:52] <robin_sz> he was britains oldest motorcyclist
[22:43:57] <les> right
[22:44:53] <les> well back to the kitchen...mustn't make potatoE mush
[22:45:22] <robin_sz> heh
[22:45:33] <les> that would be quale food...
[22:45:39] <robin_sz> len still rode a bike at 102 yrs old ..
[22:45:55] <anonimasu> iab
[22:45:58] <les> gawd
[22:46:06] <robin_sz> the shop
http://www.vale-onslow.co.uk/VO2a.jpg still look *exactly* the same
[22:46:15] <robin_sz> you go in .. theres a counter
[22:46:21] <robin_sz> there are aisles going back
[22:46:32] <robin_sz> further than the eye can see
[22:46:44] <robin_sz> they seem to go up high .. you need a ladder
[22:46:56] <robin_sz> float bowl for an AJS, no problem
[22:47:14] <robin_sz> clutch cable for a rare BSA ... they'll have a selection
[22:48:51] <les> LOTS of bikers here
[22:49:07] <les> they come up to the mountains for a nice cruise
[22:49:28] <les> either harleys or triuphs
[22:49:36] <les> triumph
[22:49:53] <les> can't spell and I used to have a spitfire
[22:50:10] <les> loved that car
[22:51:03] <les> with it's tractor engine
[22:54:04] <anonimasu> :)
[23:05:39] <robin_sz> http://perso.wanadoo.es/kombo/Imagenes/ducati_750ss.jpg
[23:05:46] <robin_sz> mmmm .. me want!
[23:06:18] <robin_sz> on the dangerous days, i believe I want a 130hp road bike ...
[23:06:44] <robin_sz> on the *really* dangerous days, i believe i *need* one
[23:07:01] <anonimasu> I'd like one of thoose + a mhi td04 turbocharger.
[23:07:12] <anonimasu> the road bike I mean ;)
[23:07:16] <robin_sz> I think a 750ss puts out about 60 hp
[23:07:49] <robin_sz> hmmm ... you cant have ridden a modern bike I guess??
[23:07:59] <anonimasu> I was just kidding..
[23:08:03] <robin_sz> well yes ;)
[23:08:17] <robin_sz> but aside, have you ridden a modern 600?
[23:08:20] <anonimasu> no..
[23:08:30] <robin_sz> you should. quite amazing
[23:08:33] <anonimasu> havent actually got a license to drive one..
[23:08:37] <robin_sz> ahh :)
[23:08:43] <anonimasu> I was going to take it last summer but I worked 14 hours a day
[23:08:48] <robin_sz> heh
[23:08:54] <anonimasu> minimum :)
[23:09:00] <robin_sz> a modern 600 puts out 110bhp
[23:09:05] <robin_sz> and weighs .. nothing
[23:09:24] <anonimasu> yep
[23:09:45] <robin_sz> quite astounding. and *perfect* handling .. sticky tyres, performance brakes ...
[23:09:57] <robin_sz> quite stunning compared to older bikes
[23:10:11] <anonimasu> I have one older bike that I really would love to have..
[23:10:14] <robin_sz> but .. Id still love an old 750SS
[23:10:19] <robin_sz> what?
[23:11:06] <anonimasu> just let me find a picture :9
[23:11:08] <anonimasu> :)
[23:11:16] <robin_sz> just name it ... I know most
[23:11:32] <robin_sz> well, most italian anyway ;;)
[23:11:43] <anonimasu> Harley davidson XR750
[23:11:54] <robin_sz> oh.
[23:12:14] <robin_sz> is that the one with dual PTO?
[23:12:38] <anonimasu> pto?
[23:12:47] <robin_sz> or did it have a plough as standard?
[23:12:51] <robin_sz> power take off
[23:13:00] <robin_sz> for driving balers etc
[23:13:06] <anonimasu> hm.. no idea
[23:13:33] <robin_sz> wait, i know ... its the one that has a potato harvestor
[23:13:47] <robin_sz> * robin_sz thinks all HDs are tractors
[23:13:56] <anonimasu> http://www.cycleshop.com/museum/bikes/r-img016.jpg
[23:14:31] <robin_sz> hmm sorry. doesnt do anyting for me ;)
[23:14:40] <les> now tractors...
[23:14:47] <les> I am hunting for one
[23:14:53] <robin_sz> do you have the accesorys needed to ride an HD?
[23:14:55] <anonimasu> a modern bike probably is loads better..
[23:15:07] <robin_sz> plenty of older bikes were loads better!! ;)
[23:15:27] <anonimasu> I like the sound of HD's ;)
[23:15:30] <les> I went to some acoustics seminars with the HD guys
[23:15:31] <robin_sz> hd sold on american image, even by the standrds of the day the handling was crap :)
[23:15:39] <robin_sz> yeah, the sound is important
[23:15:49] <robin_sz> you should hear my 900 ducati ..
[23:15:57] <anonimasu> that's another kind of sound..
[23:15:59] <les> They were doing sound power analsis
[23:16:00] <anonimasu> :)
[23:16:04] <les> analysis
[23:16:10] <robin_sz> it makes toilets flush themselves and seagulls implode at 50m
[23:16:14] <anonimasu> :D
[23:16:16] <les> to get that sound just right
[23:16:21] <robin_sz> yeah
[23:16:31] <les> seems like it was their main design concern
[23:16:35] <anonimasu> robin_sz: what are thoose accesories?
[23:16:46] <robin_sz> today, MC's run about 6 to 10db quiter than cars
[23:16:53] <anonimasu> that 750 supposedly has extremely much torque.. :)
[23:17:00] <les> tatoos and a chick on the back
[23:17:06] <anonimasu> nope..
[23:17:13] <robin_sz> anonimasu: well, you need a stick-on moustache, beer-belly and hairy bollocks
[23:17:21] <les> heh
[23:17:22] <anonimasu> heh
[23:17:52] <robin_sz> i do like the sound of a nice big twin on open pipes
[23:17:55] <les> the guys here are all old and thier biker chicks are pruned out
[23:18:03] <les> their
[23:18:07] <robin_sz> ick
[23:18:25] <anonimasu> I'd think there are plenty of new biker chicks ;)
[23:18:36] <les> They are prob accountants and doctors
[23:18:42] <anonimasu> yep..
[23:19:04] <anonimasu> they do human engineering except mechanical that's all..
[23:19:06] <anonimasu> *grins*
[23:19:24] <les> back to the kitchen
[23:19:29] <anonimasu> just kidding :)
[23:21:13] <robin_sz> aaww, I MUST run the Ducati this summer
[23:21:32] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is a engine freak
[23:21:46] <robin_sz> ducatis are beutiful engineering
[23:21:57] <robin_sz> you know what Desmodromic valves are?
[23:22:03] <anonimasu> no
[23:22:08] <robin_sz> no valve springs
[23:22:19] <anonimasu> pneumatic valvetrain?
[23:22:23] <robin_sz> nah
[23:22:28] <robin_sz> V twin
[23:22:34] <anonimasu> hm..
[23:22:46] <robin_sz> valve train is via external shafts
[23:22:52] <anonimasu> ah yeah
[23:22:55] <robin_sz> and 45 degree heical gears
[23:22:59] <robin_sz> helical
[23:23:03] <anonimasu> pushrods..
[23:23:04] <anonimasu> :)
[23:23:08] <robin_sz> no
[23:23:08] <anonimasu> or similiar..
[23:23:14] <robin_sz> rotary shaft
[23:23:17] <anonimasu> never heard about that then
[23:23:30] <robin_sz> then .. the top cam is a normal overhaed cam
[23:23:40] <robin_sz> but has 4 lobes for two valves
[23:23:54] <robin_sz> one cam opens the valve,
[23:23:59] <robin_sz> the other closes it
[23:24:22] <robin_sz> over rev it and you dont bounce the valves
[23:24:46] <robin_sz> you have to shim them really carefully or they wont start
[23:25:16] <robin_sz> here ...
[23:25:18] <robin_sz> http://www.ducatitech.com/info/desmo.html
[23:25:21] <robin_sz> the valve gear
[23:25:46] <anonimasu> very very neat.
[23:26:30] <robin_sz> this was introduced in like, 1950/60
[23:26:43] <anonimasu> :)
[23:28:28] <robin_sz> http://www.usq.edu.au/users/grantd/motorcycle/ducati/images/450SCR.jpg
[23:28:40] <robin_sz> see that vertical pipe on the side of the cylinder?
[23:28:54] <anonimasu> yes
[23:29:05] <robin_sz> theres is a 45 degree bevel gear on the crank
[23:29:12] <robin_sz> rotating rod in that pipe
[23:29:28] <robin_sz> 45 degree bevel gear in that 'lump' at the top to drive the cam
[23:29:47] <robin_sz> the v twins are the same
[23:30:55] <anonimasu> nice
[23:31:17] <robin_sz> whatever, it was proper lightweight engineering
[23:31:19] <anonimasu> I like that bike also..
[23:31:33] <robin_sz> you look at a british bike of the same era and it was heavy and industrial
[23:31:51] <robin_sz> the italian bikes were beautiful and just "nice"
[23:31:56] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:31:57] <robin_sz> but unreliable :)
[23:32:06] <robin_sz> hey, you can t have everyting :)
[23:32:52] <robin_sz> aermacchi were nice also, they got bought by harley
[23:36:10] <anonimasu> :)
[23:36:12] <robin_sz> so, lots of fun for the summer
[23:37:00] <robin_sz> I WILL run the ducati this year, even if just to take the oldest kid to school one nice day :)
[23:38:38] <anonimasu> hehe
[23:38:39] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:39:22] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is surfing at fixtures
[23:40:15] <paul_c> another new face....
[23:40:24] <anonimasu> yep
[23:40:36] <cnc_wright_> I think so I'm still trying to figure out irc
[23:40:55] <paul_c> join the club ;)
[23:42:26] <cnc_wright_> I was emailing back-n-forth with Ray yesterday about BDI 4.18. You take care of that don't you?
[23:42:52] <paul_c> in a small way...
[23:43:57] <cnc_wright_> After I install and reboot the system hangs at the portmap daemon.
[23:44:30] <cnc_wright_> it sets up /dev/ttys0 and s1 then just stops
[23:45:30] <paul_c> did you enable ethernet during installation ?
[23:46:31] <cnc_wright_> Yes, It seems to DHCP to my router and get an ip# just fine. I've tried both a realtek and intel nic. I also yanked the sound card out.
[23:47:41] <cnc_wright_> It actually does dhcp imediatly before the port daemon.
[23:51:16] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[23:51:19] <paul_c> looking to see waht other services are started after portmap
[23:51:40] <anonimasu> I think I need to build/buy a secondary spindle.
[23:52:15] <anonimasu> it would probably be cheaper/easier then getting my main spindle to change tools..
[23:53:35] <paul_c> cnc_wright_: What MoBo/chipset is this machine ?
[23:54:15] <cnc_wright_> Asus P2B-S with intel 440BX PII450
[23:54:27] <pfred1> cnc_wright_ good stuff!
[23:54:53] <paul_c> the 440bx is probably the best chipset you can use...
[23:55:05] <cnc_wright_> That's good to know
[23:55:37] <paul_c> Did you download the 4.18 image from somewhere ?
[23:56:06] <cnc_wright_> Yes. I think I got it from the wildrice server.
[23:56:34] <paul_c> Did you do an md5sum on the download ?
[23:56:43] <cnc_wright_> no
[23:57:19] <paul_c> could you run a check on the iso and compare them please.
[23:58:10] <paul_c> * paul_c is running through possible errors...
[23:59:26] <anonimasu> http://www.mmsonline.com/articles/079802.html
