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[00:10:26] <K4ts> hello
[00:10:36] <alex_joni_> hello
[00:14:46] <les_w> hi alex. Hi Anna
[00:14:53] <K4ts> ih les_w
[00:14:58] <alex_joni_> hi les
[00:15:06] <K4ts> happy new year
[00:15:09] <les_w> I just had a seafood dinner I prepared
[00:15:13] <les_w> ty anna
[00:15:15] <K4ts> wowwww
[00:15:28] <les_w> cod and scallops
[00:15:34] <K4ts> good dinner
[00:15:49] <les_w> with lemon, paprica, butter, and orange peel
[00:16:15] <Jacky^> HI les_w :P
[00:16:16] <K4ts> whit lemon?
[00:16:24] <les_w> hi jacky
[00:16:28] <les_w> yes lemon
[00:16:29] <K4ts> whith
[00:16:37] <Jacky^> with*
[00:16:39] <Jacky^> hehe
[00:16:45] <K4ts> with lemon?
[00:16:50] <les_w> fresh lemon juice
[00:17:06] <les_w> and grated orange peel
[00:17:15] <Jacky^> good :D
[00:17:35] <K4ts> :-)
[00:18:12] <les_w> Holiday is at an end tommorow
[00:18:18] <les_w> back to some good work
[00:18:19] <Jacky^> les_w: wait .. K4ts want show to you a plate we eat yesterday..
[00:18:26] <les_w> ah ok
[00:19:34] <Jacky^> http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/capodanno2006/img003.jpeg.html
[00:20:08] <les_w> looking
[00:20:28] <Jacky^> we got about 20 different plates during the dinner.. :)
[00:21:00] <alex_joni_> Jacky^: which one is you?
[00:21:01] <les_w> mmm looks very good
[00:21:09] <K4ts> slurp
[00:21:14] <les_w> haha
[00:21:24] <Jacky^> alex_joni_: what? the fish ? :D
[00:21:44] <alex_joni_> no, I mean in which picture can we see you
[00:22:05] <Jacky^> there are 2-3 photos in the album
[00:22:09] <Jymmm> alex_joni:
http://www.Jacky.orgy/
[00:22:18] <alex_joni_> with the y?
[00:22:21] <robin_sz> alex_joni: hes the one in the red dress
[00:22:34] <Jacky^> Jymmm: haha
[00:23:11] <skunkworks> http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/capodanno2006/img011.jpeg.html jacky and k4ts?
[00:23:38] <Jacky^> http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/capodanno2006/img002.jpeg.html
[00:23:43] <Jacky^> here we are
[00:24:10] <cradek> les_w: if I know vel, acc and cycle time, how many cycles does it take to accelerate to vel?
[00:24:11] <alex_joni_> ok
[00:24:35] <les_w> jacky and anna , you both look good!
[00:24:37] <robin_sz> Jacky^: you are the small one on the right, doing the kung-fu impression?
[00:24:43] <les_w> cradek: let me think a sec
[00:24:48] <Jacky^> heh :D
[00:24:55] <alex_joni_> vel+=d(vel) (or accel) right?
[00:24:58] <robin_sz> your son?
[00:25:01] <Jacky^> les_w: pretty good
[00:25:08] <alex_joni_> d(vel)/d(t) , or cycle_time
[00:25:55] <les_w> yeah just start taking multiple difference equations as an approximation of differentials
[00:25:56] <alex_joni_> so you need to calc. d(vel) or accel in a cycle, and see how many times that is needed to get added before cur_vel makes it to desired_vel
[00:26:35] <cradek> alex_joni_: I think it should be a simple division
[00:26:42] <alex_joni_> num_cycles = (desired_vel - current_vel) / accell
[00:26:55] <alex_joni_> not sure how simple it is :D
[00:27:06] <cradek> you need cycle time in there somewhere
[00:27:11] <les_w> Well, there are typically multiple regimes in a trajectory cycle
[00:27:13] <alex_joni_> accelll holds it
[00:27:21] <cradek> vel / accel / cycle time
[00:27:37] <cradek> that makes the units work out so it must be right?
[00:27:38] <les_w> servo or trajectory?
[00:27:53] <alex_joni_> traj in TP
[00:27:58] <les_w> ok
[00:28:07] <alex_joni_> servo is only afterwards on PID & such
[00:28:07] <cradek> I meant "starting at 0" but forgot to say it
[00:28:10] <Jacky^> hes anna's son, Emanuele
[00:28:10] <Jacky^> damn wifi .. lag :(
[00:28:12] <Jacky^> lost packets
[00:29:20] <les_w> well, there are many schemes. In general a new set of polynomial coefficients is generated at each waypoint. A set for each axis.
[00:29:43] <Jymmm> IRON MONKEY... [Chinese goes here] [5 second delay goes here] [english translation goes here]
[00:29:51] <alex_joni_> les_w:think simple, don't complicate it too much
[00:29:58] <cradek> simple simple
[00:30:04] <les_w> ha hard for me I guess.
[00:30:07] <Jacky^> Finally, I done to fight with kde on my laptop !
[00:30:18] <alex_joni_> cradek: I feel funny about the / cycle_time
[00:30:30] <cradek> alex_joni_: me too, that's why I'm asking
[00:30:39] <Jacky^> got Ion3, save alot of space in a 800x600 monitor :
http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/schermata1.png
[00:30:41] <alex_joni_> let's get an example
[00:30:48] <Jacky^> :P
[00:30:50] <alex_joni_> desired speed = 10
[00:30:55] <alex_joni_> accel = 100
[00:31:03] <alex_joni_> cycle_time = 0.02
[00:31:49] <alex_joni_> accel = units / s^2
[00:31:51] <alex_joni_> right?
[00:32:03] <cradek> right :-P
[00:32:05] <alex_joni_> so we need to convert that to units / cycle_time ^2
[00:32:18] <les_w> I just think simply this: a time parameterized path of ANY form can be represented by a set of polynomial coefficients.
[00:32:33] <alex_joni_> so we know how much we can accel inside a single cycle_time
[00:33:02] <les_w> some sets will blend with prior or later ones with continuity in time , velocity, accel, jerk, etc.
[00:33:23] <cradek> les_w: think exact-stop trapezoidal
[00:33:29] <les_w> oh
[00:33:30] <les_w> ok
[00:33:59] <les_w> well, trapezoidal in velocity is quadratic in position
[00:34:03] <cradek> les_w: you're thinking of the answer to a question different from the one I asked
[00:34:12] <les_w> often called parabolic blending
[00:34:19] <cradek> no blending
[00:34:22] <alex_joni_> if you are at zero speed, and you're starting motion
[00:34:34] <alex_joni_> you have desired velocity, and max_accel
[00:34:37] <cradek> I want a trapezoidal profile of velocity
[00:34:43] <alex_joni_> how much time will it take to reach that?
[00:34:56] <cradek> right
[00:35:01] <cradek> how many cycles
[00:35:12] <alex_joni_> time, we convert to cycles afterwards :D
[00:35:16] <les_w> Well, blending in the sense that a parabola describes position vs time as it comes to a stop
[00:35:17] <alex_joni_> maybe round up
[00:35:28] <alex_joni_> LES stop blending
[00:35:55] <cradek> ok, in time, it's surely vel/acc
[00:35:59] <les_w> ha ok. I see exact stop as just a special case.
[00:36:01] <alex_joni_> right
[00:36:02] <cradek> the answer is vel/acc seconds
[00:36:16] <alex_joni_> now you need to convert that to cycles
[00:36:20] <cradek> right
[00:36:23] <alex_joni_> round up
[00:36:47] <alex_joni_> round(vel/acc/cycle_time,0)
[00:36:55] <alex_joni_> round(vel/acc/cycle_time+0.5,0)
[00:37:21] <cradek> so it's ceil( (vel/acc) / cycle_time)
[00:37:34] <alex_joni_> I'd say so
[00:37:37] <les_w> I simply think of time....derived from cannonical distance and feed
[00:37:44] <les_w> always changing
[00:38:35] <les_w> The equations on my page cover exact stop or blended
[00:38:44] <Jymmm> http://lumbrgrip.com/
[00:38:52] <cradek> les_w: where?
[00:39:16] <les_w> just a sec
[00:39:16] <alex_joni_> Jymmm: was that a joke?
[00:39:31] <Jymmm> alex_joni no, it's a real product.
[00:40:12] <Jymmm> gravity hook for any lumber
[00:40:52] <alex_joni_> great:(
[00:41:00] <Jymmm> lol
[00:41:03] <les_w> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Trapezoidal_Velocity_Profile_Trajectory_Planner
[00:41:11] <les_w> link to my page there
[00:41:18] <les_w> thanks to alex
[00:42:24] <Jymmm> oh fuck me... product $10, shipping $16.
[00:42:31] <alex_joni_> me? what did I do :D
[00:42:59] <les_w> haha
[00:43:16] <Jymmm> les_w ?
[00:43:34] <les_w> yessssss?
[00:43:48] <Jymmm> les_w was wondering what cha was laffin at?
[00:43:55] <K4ts_> ih ih
[00:44:14] <les_w> anna laughibg too
[00:44:21] <les_w> bleh
[00:44:29] <les_w> sticky keys.
[00:44:39] <Jymmm> les_w Ah, I thought it was the hooks
[00:45:05] <K4ts_> Jymmm: you got good affair!
[00:45:21] <Jymmm> K4ts until I get caught =)
[00:45:41] <les_w> Still using proto keyboard. I have a crate of them. the design is flawed. Lasts about 2 weeks before the keys stick.
[00:45:46] <Jymmm> K4ts I had an uneventful New Years eve, it was nice.
[00:46:08] <les_w> Changing the plastic composition...
[00:46:10] <Jymmm> les_w but you said you were on the last one two months ago
[00:46:27] <alex_joni_> Jymmm: he's on the refurbished ones now
[00:46:28] <alex_joni_> :D
[00:46:34] <Jymmm> alex_joni ah, heh
[00:46:36] <les_w> naw still have a couple
[00:46:39] <les_w> sent more
[00:46:46] <Jymmm> couple hundred or couple thousand
[00:46:47] <les_w> no improvement though
[00:47:33] <les_w> vI think the ABS is too highly filled withg talc
[00:47:52] <les_w> keys quickly jam
[00:48:16] <les_w> too much gap in the key to keyboard linear bearing
[00:48:30] <les_w> but tooling is already made
[00:48:42] <les_w> like $100k
[00:49:04] <les_w> so trying to fix it with special snake snot added to th abs
[00:49:16] <les_w> rather than new molds
[00:49:58] <les_w> just trying to solve this issue for a friend
[00:50:13] <les_w> I don't make keyboards, but he does.
[00:50:56] <les_w> I make suggestions, he sends crates of keyboards.
[00:51:55] <cradek> my keyboard is 20 years old and like new
[00:51:57] <K4ts_> les_w: my dog dead the 24 december sigh
[00:52:09] <les_w> sorry anna
[00:52:15] <les_w> get another one
[00:52:21] <Jymmm> is $75 for servo amp brand new good?
[00:52:35] <alex_joni_> Jymmm: what kind of amp?
[00:52:53] <Jymmm> alex_joni SER-VO =)
[00:52:55] <les_w> cradek, We used to make very high quality saturable reactor keyboards
[00:53:01] <les_w> but sold the division
[00:53:11] <fenn> "saturable reactor"?
[00:53:23] <Jymmm> motion science
[00:53:35] <alex_joni_> what kind? DC or AC? what kind of power, how do you control it (analog voltage or bus?), does it use a tach or encoder?
[00:54:01] <Jymmm> brush type, 21 to 180 VDC, 24A peak, 12A cont
[00:54:07] <Jymmm> 40KHx switching
[00:54:08] <les_w> yes Fenn. Magnet on key saturates a simple single turn transformer
[00:54:10] <Jymmm> KHz
[00:54:21] <les_w> what brand jymmm?
[00:54:22] <cradek> les_w: wild
[00:54:34] <Jymmm> Cleveland Motion Controls
[00:54:43] <les_w> Anna will you get another dog?
[00:54:43] <robin_sz> ahh, Burny
[00:54:50] <cradek> les_w: I don't know how these IBM keyboards work - there is a non-conductive "paddle" that "touches" two pcb pads
[00:54:59] <cradek> must be some kind of capacitive effect
[00:55:07] <fenn> i thought it was conductive
[00:55:10] <les_w> the cheap ones are membrane
[00:55:12] <cradek> no mechanical contacts to wear out
[00:55:24] <cradek> les_w: no, I'm talking about 20 year old buckling spring technology
[00:55:34] <robin_sz> Jymmm: CMC is also Burny, maker of servos for many plasma/oxy-fuel rigs. quite well thought of, but rather old tech usually
[00:55:40] <les_w> I made an awful lot of membrane switches in the past
[00:55:41] <cradek> no membranes, no rubber parts, no contacts to oxidize
[00:55:48] <les_w> hate em...but made em.
[00:56:05] <cradek> that stuff is shit
[00:56:44] <les_w> yeah we just used a stamped matrix of simple 1 turn transformers
[00:57:05] <Jymmm> les MDC50 -->
http://motionscienceinc.com/downloads/servo_amplifiers/ds_mdc_mdcx.pdf
[00:57:11] <les_w> a cheap magnet could easily saturate them with no contact
[00:57:35] <Jymmm> robin_sz I have nfc.
[00:57:36] <fenn> did it consume a lot of power?
[00:57:37] <les_w> crummy transformers are easy to make. In this case it was a feature!
[00:57:47] <les_w> no very little
[00:58:09] <Jymmm> but they have the PS and stuff built in to them.
[00:58:30] <les_w> just from the connector.
[00:58:35] <les_w> that was enough.
[00:58:45] <les_w> but these were expensive
[00:58:45] <cradek> ok to make this harder now, we know how long it takes to do the accel, but how far does it travel?
[00:59:06] <les_w> cost on most pc keyboards used now is a buck or two.
[00:59:06] <Jymmm> Saw some (maybe) 100mm NSK rail and slide about 24" long for $50 (too pricey)
[00:59:12] <Jymmm> 10mm
[00:59:16] <cradek> seems like you have to integrate or something
[00:59:32] <les_w> yes cradek
[00:59:40] <les_w> two integrations
[00:59:44] <robin_sz> Jymmm: yes I know ;)
[00:59:54] <Jymmm> les_w no comment?
[01:00:16] <les_w> good deal!
[01:00:27] <alex_joni_> fenn: still around?
[01:00:29] <fenn> yea
[01:00:37] <cradek> I'm having problems understanding this translation from the continuous functions in the math world to these discrete time slice cycles
[01:00:37] <robin_sz> 100mm rail?
[01:00:40] <robin_sz> wow
[01:00:41] <fenn> Jymmm: those amps put out a lot of power
[01:00:47] <Jymmm> les_w are these as useful as geckos?
[01:01:00] <les_w> need distance travelled with time for constant accel?
[01:01:32] <cradek> yes, that's one thing I want to know
[01:01:34] <robin_sz> I dont think I have ever even seen 100mm rail ... thats HUGE
[01:01:35] <Jymmm> fenn I know nothign of servo, except eventually will go to them, so...
[01:02:19] <Jymmm> but that could be years from now
[01:02:50] <les_w> 1/2 At^2 basically
[01:02:50] <Jacky^> uhm.. windows sharing system fault :/
[01:03:36] <fenn> wb alex
[01:03:40] <les_w> so a weight dropping at one g (9.81 m/s) goes 9.81/2 distance in one second
[01:03:50] <Jymmm> are servo amps "universal", or is there something I should be aware of?
[01:03:58] <ajoni> ajoni is now known as alex_joni_
[01:04:06] <les_w> oops 9.81 m/s^2
[01:04:07] <cradek> so you're integrating a*t dt
[01:04:11] <alex_joni_> Jymmm: not at all universal
[01:04:25] <cradek> because our acceleration gives v = at
[01:04:26] <alex_joni_> fenn: I wanted to ask you about a feature request you added to SF
[01:04:33] <les_w> well consider inegrating a constant
[01:04:37] <fenn> uhm.. lemme look
[01:04:38] <Jymmm> alex_joni I foudn these for $75
http://motionscienceinc.com/downloads/servo_amplifiers/ds_mdc_mdcx.pdf
[01:04:45] <Jymmm> alex_joni MDC50
[01:04:51] <alex_joni_> * alex_joni_ looks
[01:04:57] <les_w> integrate a constant twice
[01:06:49] <cradek> so again I have vel and acc
[01:06:52] <les_w> hence 1/2 at^2
[01:07:02] <alex_joni_> Jymmm: they seem pretty nice
[01:07:09] <alex_joni_> but you need motors with tach feedback
[01:07:10] <cradek> I want to accel from 0 at acc in/sec2 up to vel in/sec
[01:07:19] <cradek> how many inches do I traverse?
[01:07:27] <Jymmm> alex_joni dont all servo motors need that?
[01:07:31] <robin_sz> nope
[01:07:39] <alex_joni_> Jymmm: some take the feedback from the encoder
[01:07:43] <alex_joni_> or maybe resolver
[01:07:49] <robin_sz> some only use encoders
[01:07:55] <les_w> solve the system
[01:08:01] <alex_joni_> but tach for speed feedback is not bad (it's the older way..)
[01:08:12] <Jymmm> oh, ok.
[01:08:22] <les_w> at constant accel, velocity is accel*time
[01:08:32] <robin_sz> ive seen that drive on some of the larger Burny controllers, its OK, but nothing amazing ...
[01:08:34] <alex_joni_> Jymmm: just need to make sure you get motors that are compatible
[01:08:40] <robin_sz> they sell matching motors too
[01:08:40] <Jymmm> and dont most today go brushLESS if they can?
[01:08:42] <les_w> and position is 1/2 accel* time ^2
[01:08:57] <alex_joni_> Jymmm: whole different controller for brushless afaik
[01:09:08] <robin_sz> yep
[01:09:14] <robin_sz> brushless is AC
[01:09:15] <les_w> so, that is an initial final value problem.
[01:09:19] <robin_sz> thats a DC controller
[01:09:21] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Right, but most today go brushLESS, correct?
[01:09:30] <les_w> where initial and final value are both 0.
[01:09:32] <Jymmm> robin_sz ah.
[01:09:36] <alex_joni_> Jymmm: different pricerange too
[01:09:52] <robin_sz> the Baldor range are good for small brushless
[01:10:31] <Jymmm> would these be good to hide in the closet for a year or so?
[01:10:39] <fenn> cradek shouldn't you be doing it the other way around? start with inches and find out how many seconds you need for a given accel, what max velocity is etc
[01:10:40] <alex_joni_> robin_sz: there is brushless DC too, pricier than AC
[01:10:40] <alex_joni_> the motors at least
[01:10:45] <Jymmm> or just wait and see what's available in a year?
[01:11:04] <robin_sz> alex_joni: brushless DC? how can that work?
[01:11:15] <fenn> robin_sz: it's not really dc, it's a trapezoidal waveform motor
[01:11:23] <fenn> robin_sz: it makes the control electronics simpler
[01:11:23] <robin_sz> ahh.
[01:11:35] <robin_sz> fenn: commutation within the motor?
[01:11:41] <les_w> exact stop is just a special case of the equations on my page where both initial and final velocities are zero
[01:11:51] <fenn> robin_sz: no, it's an alternating current trapezoidal waveform
[01:12:04] <les_w> plug'nchug
[01:12:07] <robin_sz> oh, so just AC by another name
[01:12:20] <robin_sz> alex_joni: here, have this.
[01:12:28] <cradek> ok, after dinner I'll read your web page a few times until I understand everything
[01:12:49] <alex_joni_> robin_sz: what?
[01:12:57] <robin_sz> alex_joni_: its what I call a "working internet connection"
[01:13:00] <les_w> ok chris. It' is pretty much right out of a very old college text of mine.
[01:13:18] <alex_joni_> robin_sz: if it works in the mountains I'll get it
[01:13:23] <Jymmm> ...dated 1842
[01:13:28] <les_w> close.
[01:13:32] <Jymmm> 1742?
[01:13:38] <les_w> haha
[01:13:40] <alex_joni_> 1492
[01:13:41] <Jymmm> 1842 AD ?
[01:13:42] <cradek> les_w: I hope I'm just rusty, not dumb :-/
[01:14:35] <alex_joni_> robin_sz: not just AC by another name, it's not 3-phase, it's 1-phase
[01:14:42] <les_w> I am not a typical engineer chris. I just do math. Everything, even hammering a nail, I think of in math terms
[01:14:42] <alex_joni_> so .. different
[01:14:43] <alex_joni_> :D
[01:14:44] <robin_sz> if you want small servos, check out the small Baldor stuff, the drives are cheap enough and they work very nicely with their motors .. we have several in production now
[01:15:06] <robin_sz> alex_joni: 1 pahse, OK, so how do you make it go backwards?
[01:15:43] <alex_joni_> you output it dephased backwards
[01:15:54] <Jymmm> robin_sz : No, I was just wondering if I should buy these now and store them, or just wait and see whats available later on.
[01:16:14] <Jymmm> robin_sz no motors are in the equation atm.
[01:16:18] <alex_joni_> Jymmm: better wait
[01:16:26] <robin_sz> well, id guess "probably not" then
[01:16:28] <alex_joni_> and get drives that suit the motors you choose/find
[01:16:35] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[01:16:42] <robin_sz> or just use geckos
[01:16:43] <Jymmm> alex_joni yeah, just didnt know is all.
[01:16:48] <K4ts> night hall
[01:16:56] <Jymmm> robin_sz $75/ea not too shabby.
[01:17:05] <robin_sz> good price ...
[01:17:10] <K4ts> all
[01:17:11] <robin_sz> but not the right thing
[01:17:11] <alex_joni_> robin_sz:
http://www.maxonmotorusa.com/files/catalog/2003/pdf/03_Technik_kurzund_buendig_ec_26_27_e.pdf
[01:17:15] <les_w> good night anna
[01:17:15] <K4ts> sorry
[01:17:16] <alex_joni_> night K4ts
[01:17:27] <Jymmm> G'Night K4ts
[01:17:55] <Jymmm> Hmmmm but and sell on ebay maybe?
[01:18:25] <alex_joni_> Jymmm: check ebay first for prices
[01:18:33] <Jymmm> doing that now =)
[01:18:41] <les_w> You know, I don't think of eact stop much in cnc motion. It is not practical in cutting, brcause chip load goes to zero. Burned work and dull tools rapidly.
[01:19:26] <robin_sz> alex_joni: look sliek a 3 phase motor to me ...
[01:19:45] <alex_joni_> yup, but a bit different I guess :)
[01:20:12] <robin_sz> mmm ... has a self-commutating option with "block" current drive
[01:21:01] <fenn> i thought the difference was in the magnetic flux coupling (or whatever that's really called)
[01:21:17] <fenn> the gap between the rotor and stator laminations
[01:21:36] <robin_sz> shrug
[01:21:37] <alex_joni_> probably
[01:21:39] <robin_sz> anyway ...
[01:21:44] <fenn> it's shaped so that when you spin the motor like a generator, you get a trapezoidal waveform
[01:21:46] <robin_sz> I think I have found a compressor :)
[01:21:55] <robin_sz> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7208012779
[01:22:24] <robin_sz> oh, I did that already
[01:22:25] <robin_sz> sorry
[01:22:59] <les_w> oh for nitrogen generation?
[01:24:29] <robin_sz> yep
[01:24:34] <les_w> For that to work, the market for ntrogen/argon as a byproduct of oxygen manufacture has to be saturated?
[01:24:39] <robin_sz> for the compression into the storage cylinders
[01:25:17] <robin_sz> shrug ... i just gte fed up of buying so much nitrogen ...
[01:25:49] <robin_sz> its not *that* expensive ... but its easy to use a 10 cylinder pack in a day
[01:26:07] <robin_sz> then just having run out is inconvenient
[01:26:13] <les_w> it's almost like buying air huh
[01:26:32] <robin_sz> onsite generation should cost 10% of buy in price
[01:26:43] <les_w> really
[01:26:45] <fenn> alex_joni: what did you want to ask about my feature request? i know it's a little wrong in some places..
[01:27:05] <les_w> then someone is making obscene profits somewhere
[01:27:10] <robin_sz> les_w: well that swhat the notrogen PSA system sellers claim
[01:27:22] <les_w> hmm
[01:27:26] <robin_sz> its �100 a month just to rent a 10 pack
[01:27:33] <robin_sz> plus 75 a refil
[01:27:42] <robin_sz> plsu 20 delivery
[01:28:00] <les_w> I use so little I have not thought about it much
[01:28:14] <robin_sz> this will pay off in 2 months I hope ...
[01:28:27] <robin_sz> I think I can build it for �1000 or so
[01:28:31] <robin_sz> with ebay bits :)
[01:28:35] <les_w> We threw out all the LN2 each shift end at harris
[01:28:41] <robin_sz> heh
[01:28:44] <les_w> just poured it on the floor
[01:28:52] <les_w> 100 liters or so
[01:28:54] <robin_sz> well, yeah, some places have too much
[01:28:58] <robin_sz> other not enough
[01:29:12] <robin_sz> that was from liquefaction? and distilation?
[01:29:26] <robin_sz> thompson apparatus?
[01:29:39] <fenn> werent you worried about suffocating? :)
[01:29:42] <les_w> it was from the thin film sorption pumps
[01:30:12] <robin_sz> coo
[01:30:24] <alex_joni> Jymmm: looked at it more carefully, those are AC drives
[01:30:29] <les_w> Once a worker poured it down my pants...so I poured it down her shirt
[01:30:29] <robin_sz> fenn: no, he was worried about freezing his toes off
[01:30:31] <alex_joni> probably worth lots more than 75$
[01:30:35] <les_w> we were young...
[01:30:45] <robin_sz> and with freeze burns
[01:31:01] <les_w> just lots of smoke
[01:31:10] <les_w> funny
[01:31:21] <alex_joni> fenn: SQ is not going to get any further development, unless someone comes along who wants that
[01:31:41] <les_w> we gave up on SQ
[01:31:49] <alex_joni> fenn: your feature request is mainly about TP not SQ, so it would be best if you file it under that name
[01:31:53] <les_w> remember the author came here to work on it
[01:32:03] <fenn> alex_joni: right
[01:32:05] <les_w> from holland
[01:32:17] <fenn> alex_joni: at the time i didn't know the correct terminology
[01:32:30] <jmkasunich> hi alex
[01:32:41] <jmkasunich> you are up late ;-)
[01:32:48] <fenn> but i dont think emc has the infrastructure to support a lot of the stuff i was talking about
[01:32:50] <les_w> hi jmk
[01:32:58] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Then why would it say output voltage range : 21 - 80 VDC ??????????
[01:33:02] <Jacky^> hello jmkasunich
[01:33:10] <jmkasunich> hi les, Jacky
[01:33:11] <fenn> Jymmm: looks dc to me.. dunno what alex is smoking :)
[01:33:41] <skunkworks> ac input
[01:33:41] <robin_sz> yep. its a DC drive
[01:34:02] <robin_sz> jmkasunich: evening
[01:34:12] <jmkasunich> hi robin
[01:34:19] <skunkworks> jmkasunich - nice to see you back - good vacation?
[01:34:23] <jmkasunich> yep
[01:35:28] <Jacky^> Night
[01:35:47] <les_w> night jacky
[01:37:20] <jmkasunich> hey alex, I have a comment about the translations stuff for setupconfig.tcl
[01:40:20] <jmkasunich> tap, tap, is this thing on?
[01:41:48] <alex_joni> sure it is
[01:41:54] <fenn> try give it a little whack on the side
[01:41:56] <alex_joni> comment away
[01:42:32] <jmkasunich> first, I appreciate the work, but it might be a bit premature... the prog is far from finished
[01:42:45] <alex_joni> fenn, robin_sz, Jymmm : look at the motor conections (U,V,W)
[01:42:48] <jmkasunich> will changing strings or adding new ones invalidate the existing work?
[01:43:10] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: adding new ones won't be a problem, changing a bit ;)
[01:43:22] <alex_joni> let me know if you change anything, and I'll update
[01:43:24] <jmkasunich> second, under the subject of changing
[01:43:38] <jmkasunich> there are some messages that are one very long string
[01:43:49] <jmkasunich> there are others that are concatenated from several shorter strings
[01:44:06] <alex_joni> yes, I tried to leave them as they are for now
[01:44:10] <jmkasunich> because long ones are ugly in the editor, and I wasn't sure about the use of continuation characters
[01:44:13] <alex_joni> but I like concatenated better
[01:44:17] <jmkasunich> I agree
[01:44:42] <alex_joni> and it's very hard to translate, because of the \n you used :)
[01:45:11] <jmkasunich> actually, I made a mistake when I said "I agree", I think one long message is better
[01:45:35] <fenn> i think you are saying the same thing
[01:45:46] <jmkasunich> the /n are used for wrapping, not because they are different sentences. In another language the message might be longer or shorter, or the sentences might be in a different order
[01:46:00] <alex_joni> yes, and the \n in a different place
[01:46:10] <alex_joni> that's what I meant that it makes hard to translate
[01:46:22] <jmkasunich> if the msg in the .po is one long string, then you can translate (and wrap it) as appropriate
[01:46:31] <alex_joni> imho we shouldn't use \n at all (not for wrapping, tcl should take care of that)
[01:46:45] <alex_joni> I agree \n is ok for new lines
[01:47:20] <jmkasunich> tcl will adjust the window size to fit the lines, and if the lines are very long, it will make a very large window, which I don't want
[01:47:32] <jmkasunich> so I broke the messages into lines with /n
[01:47:35] <alex_joni> can't the window be fixed?
[01:47:46] <alex_joni> I doubt it doesn't have a setting for that
[01:48:05] <jmkasunich> thats worse, because then you have to deal with things like font sizes and such
[01:48:16] <alex_joni> how so?
[01:48:35] <alex_joni> make it 1/4 of the screen
[01:48:44] <alex_joni> should be ok ..
[01:48:58] <jmkasunich> that won't work, 1/4 of a 800x600 is too small
[01:49:10] <alex_joni> 400x300 ?
[01:49:16] <jmkasunich> especially if you have a large font
[01:49:26] <jmkasunich> fixed sizes in pixels are a bad thing
[01:49:51] <alex_joni> ok, I clearly don't know enough to say :D
[01:50:31] <jmkasunich> think about it, one guy has a 1600x1200 screen and default font is 8 point, another has 800x600 and bad eyes, so his default font is 16 point
[01:50:46] <jmkasunich> you can't specify a window size in pixels and make them both happy
[01:51:04] <jmkasunich> better (IMO) to let tcl fit the window to the contents
[01:51:15] <alex_joni> that's why I said half the screen
[01:51:23] <alex_joni> well half vertically and half horiz.
[01:51:26] <alex_joni> so 1/4
[01:51:35] <fenn> why not just let the window be scaled by the user?
[01:51:50] <robin_sz> in tkemc?
[01:51:56] <alex_joni> fenn: that brings up a nother topic :)
[01:52:05] <jmkasunich> robin: not tkemx
[01:52:12] <robin_sz> oh ok
[01:52:16] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: I'm not 100% fond of having so many windows
[01:52:33] <alex_joni> stupid window managers might place them all over the screen
[01:52:43] <alex_joni> so you'd end up chasing them :D
[01:52:55] <jmkasunich> fenn: this is a little "wizard" that pops up and walks the user thru something, the user shouldn't need to fiddle with the window
[01:53:17] <jmkasunich> alex: there is only one at a time
[01:53:22] <robin_sz> I do remember a lot of the tcl in early emc stuff was all done in very poor style with fixed positions for things in terms of pixels, so scaling them by the user drag thing was just so not going to happen
[01:53:30] <alex_joni> yes, but in time they are different
[01:53:38] <alex_joni> e.g. more than one
[01:53:46] <jmkasunich> on my box they always appear at the same place (I suppose that doesn't mean they wouldn't be all over the place for somebody else)
[01:54:14] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: I know ray has complained about that. so he might be more insighted
[01:54:25] <alex_joni> fenn: I still think that's an AC drive
[01:54:43] <alex_joni> fenn: look at bottom page #4
[01:54:53] <fenn> jmk is this an ac or a dc drive?
http://motionscienceinc.com/downloads/servo_amplifiers/ds_mdc_mdcx.pdf
[01:55:48] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich looks
[01:55:56] <alex_joni> it seems DC, but somethings is screwy there
[01:56:11] <alex_joni> HALL feedback on DC's?
[01:56:32] <alex_joni> named HALL A,B,C? strange
[01:56:53] <jmkasunich> "brush type" sounds like DC to me
[01:57:05] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: check the bottom of the last page
[01:57:37] <alex_joni> it all sounded like DC; till I say that...
[01:57:40] <alex_joni> saw
[01:58:56] <fenn> notice: the text describes the MDC series and the images describe the MBLX series
[01:59:33] <jmkasunich> fenn: I think you just found the problem
[01:59:41] <alex_joni> fenn: that must be it..
[02:00:15] <fenn> that's probably why they're so cheap
[02:03:02] <fenn> have "magnetic amplifiers" ever been used in cnc machines?
[02:04:01] <fenn> actually nevermind, i'm interested in them for a different application
[02:09:06] <les_w> I often wonder why commutators and brushes have not vanished
[02:09:16] <jmkasunich> simple, cheap, and they work
[02:09:23] <les_w> I guess
[02:09:43] <fenn> i often wonder how they sell brushless dc cpu fans for so cheap
[02:09:57] <alex_joni> those are AC
[02:10:00] <les_w> I guess power fets or igfets just are not cheap enough yet
[02:10:24] <jmkasunich> les: its not the power devices so much (at the lower HP) its all the other crap
[02:10:37] <les_w> there must be som ereason I paid 600 bucks for an inverter...
[02:11:30] <les_w> ah...ereason...new word. sounds like a useful marketing tool.
[02:11:40] <les_w> ought to TM that
[02:11:54] <fenn> and sue the pants off of anyone who's bad at typing
[02:12:01] <les_w> haha yeah
[02:14:14] <les_w> you know, adjacent key typos like that could make good keywords
[02:14:57] <les_w> like
[02:15:02] <les_w> xcar
[02:15:04] <les_w> or
[02:15:08] <les_w> ghouse
[02:15:19] <les_w> or kloan
[02:15:34] <fenn> gborg
[02:15:50] <fenn> heh sorry
[02:15:55] <les_w> heh
[02:16:02] <les_w> I mean gheh
[02:16:22] <Jymmm> les_w : qangle, qorry, qamp, qork, qite, qant,
[02:16:31] <alex_joni> astop nowe
[02:17:08] <les_w> I have the sudden urge to write html.
[02:17:13] <les_w> bleh
[02:17:15] <les_w> haha
[02:17:46] <Jymmm> les_w <blink>what</blink>
[02:18:26] <les_w> with that, I'm going to the music room!
[02:19:06] <Jymmm> les_w 4NO WAY
[02:19:18] <les_w> then blessed work tomorrow. I'm bored out of my gourd.
[02:20:04] <Jymmm> 9,11 You're a poet and dont know it
[02:20:12] <Jymmm> 9,12 You're a poet and dont know it
[02:20:25] <les_w> oh so easy to read.
[02:20:33] <les_w> green on cyan
[02:20:42] <Jymmm> 8,3 It is, isn't it
[02:21:07] <Jymmm> 7,1orange on black
[02:21:28] <les_w> yellow on red is the one that vibrates and triggers epileptic stuff isn't it?
[02:21:35] <Jymmm> 13,9 AMgenta on lime green
[02:21:52] <Jymmm> usually I thought it was blinking stuff
[02:21:58] <les_w> amgenta...Isn't that a girl color?
[02:22:57] <Jymmm> Bold
[02:23:04] <Jymmm> underline
[02:23:11] <Jymmm> reverse
[02:23:34] <les_w> Long ago, we used to mess with strobe lights in a dark room. I think it was about seven hertz that would drive anyone nuts
[02:23:39] <Jymmm> Bold underlined reversed
[02:23:46] <les_w> couldn't even stand up
[02:23:51] <Jymmm> really?
[02:23:56] <les_w> yeah!
[02:24:00] <Jymmm> whats special about 7Hz ?
[02:24:03] <djb_rh> what are you people doing?
[02:24:22] <djb_rh> most IRC channels I've hung out on, those special chars to do all that BS were considered bad form
[02:24:24] <Jymmm> djb_rh 4Shush you
[02:24:31] <djb_rh> heh
[02:24:38] <djb_rh> * djb_rh smacks Jymmm
[02:24:46] <djb_rh> * djb_rh runs
[02:24:52] <les_w> I think it hit a sensory command/response nerve thing and created a pole
[02:25:11] <Jymmm> djb_rh SPEAK BOY, SPEAK!
[02:25:14] <Jymmm> Woof!
[02:25:51] <djb_rh> don't mess with me
[02:25:55] <Jymmm> les_w is there anything naturally occuring at the range?
[02:25:59] <djb_rh> I'm personal friends with lilo, you know
[02:26:10] <Jymmm> djb_rh ask me if I give a shit? =)
[02:26:15] <djb_rh> heh
[02:26:15] <les_w> motor sensory neural stuff is a servo right?
[02:26:39] <les_w> reverse the phase and things get REAL messed up
[02:26:40] <Jymmm> no clue les
[02:26:46] <les_w> 7 Hz does this
[02:26:59] <Jymmm> 7hz is awefully low.... almost a ripple on the water
[02:27:22] <les_w> we don't have very good servo update Jymmm
[02:27:28] <Jymmm> could you do the same thing with a less intense light source?
[02:27:44] <Jymmm> incadesent instead of a strobe?
[02:27:54] <les_w> perhaps. We used a xenon strobe in total darkness
[02:27:59] <Jymmm> ah
[02:28:03] <les_w> couldn't even stand up.
[02:28:23] <Jymmm> I have a strobe for my camera, but it doesn't recycle that fast
[02:28:28] <Jymmm> ext strobe
[02:28:36] <les_w> As you can see, I am kind of well, crazy.
[02:28:51] <Jymmm> tell us somethign we don't know
[02:28:55] <les_w> hahaha
[02:29:09] <Jymmm> You ahve to be a lil crazy to survive in this world.
[02:29:31] <les_w> and invent things.
[02:31:08] <les_w> The seven hertz thing was considered for things like crowd control and such, but it can cause seizures in some.
[02:31:11] <Jymmm> You know what... I want to engrave/carve this...but unless it's like 48" can't do it =(
http://static.flickr.com/36/78131910_21ba11022b.jpg
[02:31:45] <Jymmm> les_w Imagien if you could have the same results with IR LED's ?!
[02:32:44] <les_w> oohh..lots of machine time. And people cannot see IR.
[02:33:06] <Jymmm> ppl can't, but the brain can
[02:33:26] <Jymmm> les_w I think the machien time would be well worth it.
[02:33:55] <les_w> Funny thing...the seven Hz thing coincides with the Nipkow color perception thing
[02:34:09] <Jymmm> never heard of nipkow
[02:34:20] <les_w> google nipkow disk
[02:34:42] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nipkow_disk
[02:35:40] <les_w> a variant can be used to see color on a black and white tv!
[02:35:42] <robin_sz> Jymmm: got any more photos of signs youve done?
[02:36:43] <Jymmm> photo sucks (no lighting at the time)
http://static.flickr.com/35/68122547_7d6160cf29_m.jpg
[02:37:41] <les_w> http://www.exploratorium.edu/snacks/benhams_disk.html
[02:37:51] <les_w> really amazing...try it.
[02:38:07] <les_w> works best at seven hertz.
[02:38:13] <Jymmm> oh, hold on.
[02:39:31] <Jymmm> can't find it now, but I saw a gif that does that
[02:39:39] <Jymmm> went from grey to green
[02:40:25] <Jymmm> oh that this pretty
http://www.jewelryexpert.com/catalog/Color-Change-Sapphire-Engraved-Ring.htm
[02:40:31] <les_w> you really can use that to send color images on a BW tv!
[02:42:21] <les_w> I worked a good bit on photochromic stuff for car adapting rear view mirrors
[02:43:00] <les_w> a little different from photochroic
[02:43:37] <Jymmm> http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/col_benham/index.html
[02:44:33] <les_w> oh how convenient!
[02:44:56] <Jymmm> les_w bookmark this
http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/col_benham/index.html
[02:45:51] <les_w> it goes too slow for good colors though
[02:45:59] <Jymmm> speed in the corner
[02:46:07] <les_w> tried it
[02:46:10] <les_w> too slow
[02:46:11] <les_w> hmm
[02:46:16] <Jymmm> keep clicking
[02:46:23] <les_w> couse scanning interferes
[02:46:44] <Jymmm> I like this one
[02:47:04] <Jymmm> http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/col_lilacChaser/index.html
[02:48:27] <les_w> oh that's very good
[02:50:56] <Jymmm> that's the one I was trying to find, but the one I gave was better than the one I had in mind.
[02:51:23] <les_w> I just see a green dot after a couple seconds
[02:51:30] <les_w> seems speed insensitive
[02:51:53] <les_w> eyes aren't cameras!!
[02:58:35] <Jymmm> the colored changed depending on speed for me, slow grn, faster blue
[02:59:48] <alex_joni_> Jymmm: a camera for you :
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=398349&is=REG&addedTroughType=categoryNavigation
[03:00:37] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Not really, no places process anything alrger than 5MP as it is.
[03:00:40] <Jymmm> larger
[03:00:57] <alex_joni_> heh
[03:01:15] <alex_joni_> for the change you can get your own processing
[03:01:49] <Jymmm> Um photo processing machien is about $200K USD
[03:02:04] <Jymmm> plus consumables
[03:02:23] <les_w> I did some studies on the boeing 777 led annunciator project about using persistance of vision
[03:02:40] <les_w> once you fire pesistence, turn the led off!
[03:02:48] <les_w> for a little while.
[03:03:19] <les_w> so a pulsed led with the same rms light output can seem much brighter
[03:03:53] <les_w> we did not use it on the aircraft though
[03:04:08] <les_w> because if you turn your head you see a dotted line
[03:05:12] <les_w> huh? I hear thunder. Checking radar.
[03:05:33] <Jymmm> alex_joni
http://www.fujifilm.com/JSP/fuji/epartners/CPFProductsFrontierLP5700.jsp
[03:07:12] <alex_joni_> nice
[03:10:46] <Jymmm> Now, THAT's a printer =)
[03:11:05] <alex_joni_> Jymmm: seen nicer ones..
[03:11:11] <alex_joni_> but not for home use
[03:11:24] <alex_joni_> probably less DPI, but lots more ppm
[03:11:38] <Jymmm> it's a FILM printer
[03:11:54] <alex_joni_> yeah I know
[03:11:54] <les_w> I need a new scanner
[03:11:58] <alex_joni_> that's why I said
[03:12:09] <les_w> but I don't want a printerscannerfax
[03:12:22] <alex_joni_> les_w: seen some nice scanners from HP
[03:12:45] <les_w> I need to look
[03:13:05] <les_w> my old one is dead because I must use win XP
[03:13:10] <les_w> it was parport
[03:13:57] <alex_joni_> any special needs?
[03:14:19] <les_w> no, just good color and resolution
[03:14:27] <les_w> fast is good.
[03:15:00] <alex_joni_> http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/15179-64195-215155-15202-215155-214599.html
[03:15:30] <alex_joni_> I need one of these:
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/15179-64195-215155-15202-215155-434502.html
[03:16:20] <les_w> pricey but I guess fast
[03:16:37] <les_w> would also like to do old color print negatives
[03:16:55] <alex_joni_> for home use one of these might be ok:
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/15179-64195-215155-298148-215155-447376.html
[03:17:16] <alex_joni_> but the easiest is to fill out a questionaire at HP's and see which fits you
[03:17:52] <les_w> yeah that looks good
[03:18:16] <les_w> needs to be good enough to get everything out of a 35mmm negative
[03:18:24] <les_w> oops
[03:18:34] <alex_joni_> http://st.adiho.com/sy/clients/hp/us_bc_scanners.html?jumpid=re_r2515_advisors/adiipg/hmc
[03:18:42] <dmess2> r u guys on all the time
[03:18:49] <alex_joni_> dmess2: seems like it
[03:18:50] <les_w> yes!
[03:18:58] <les_w> we don't have lives.
[03:19:13] <dmess2> lol
[03:19:13] <alex_joni_> although it makes me wonder wth am I doing here at 05:20 am :D
[03:19:24] <dmess2> lol
[03:19:43] <les_w> I should be in the music room
[03:20:16] <les_w> but then I would miss all this wsdom...
[03:20:38] <alex_joni_> same here.. except I should be sleeping
[03:20:49] <alex_joni_> but then again I woke up at 3PM
[03:20:59] <les_w> haha
[03:21:06] <alex_joni_> * alex_joni_ feels out of timezone
[03:21:28] <alex_joni_> I'm really living somewhere else, just don't know it yet
[03:21:45] <les_w> well, I am out in the woods. Internet is my only communication medium
[03:22:00] <les_w> only a few people per square mile here
[03:22:12] <alex_joni_> I'm in the mountains now.. but that's only a temp. excuse :D
[03:22:17] <alex_joni_> back home I have none
[03:22:17] <les_w> in many places zero people per square mile!
[03:23:48] <les_w> used to be the farthest place I could be away from people was flying an aircraft solo at 12,000feet
[03:23:53] <les_w> not anymore!
[03:24:27] <jepler> My GF picked up a used HP officejet. it scans in linux with sane+hpoj, and the quality seems OK. I think it only goes to 300DPI though.
[03:24:37] <les_w> I am still a little amazed that I can run a business out here
[03:24:45] <les_w> totally internet dependent
[03:24:54] <alex_joni_> hi jeff
[03:24:54] <jepler> oops, I guess I was talking to a conversation an hour or more old. oops.
[03:25:00] <jepler> * jepler scrolls all the way down
[03:25:02] <jepler> hi alex
[03:25:35] <les_w> for slides...let's see...quality 35mm...at least 1200 dpi
[03:25:39] <les_w> prob more
[03:26:10] <alex_joni_> 2400 I'd say
[03:26:14] <jepler> yeah this is for documents, not slides
[03:26:15] <les_w> yeah
[03:27:45] <les_w> and 3 color alpha is so good for restoring faded ones...
[03:27:52] <les_w> just SW of course
[03:28:00] <les_w> I mean gamma
[03:28:02] <les_w> duh
[03:28:07] <les_w> getting sleepy
[03:28:56] <les_w> time for bed for me
[03:28:56] <Jymmm> 10 (maybe 12)mm NSK rail and one slide, apx 24" long $50
[03:30:45] <Jymmm> good? bad?
[03:31:15] <alex_joni_> cheap
[03:31:25] <alex_joni_> a slide is usually more than that
[03:32:48] <Jymmm> just seems a lil narrow.
[03:39:46] <robin_sz> fine for a router
[03:40:47] <robin_sz> 12 or 15 is fine for routers, even biggish ones
[03:41:17] <robin_sz> 25 or 30 for serious mills, doing Bad Things (tm) to big lumps of steel
[03:42:09] <robin_sz> check the specs, you'll see they take WAY more load than you expected ...
[03:45:00] <Jymmm> I think the length won't be useful to me - too short
[03:45:12] <Jymmm> they might be 18" and not 24"
[03:45:57] <robin_sz> ahh.
[03:46:05] <alex_joni_> only one piece available?
[03:46:26] <robin_sz> I pay 160 USD/m for 12mm rail
[03:46:32] <robin_sz> 40 usd per carriage
[03:47:00] <alex_joni_> my slides are usually >150$, but they are a bit larger
[03:47:09] <alex_joni_> don't recall what size exactly
[03:47:20] <robin_sz> Jymmm: is this for a new machine or to improve your existing machine?
[03:47:26] <Jymmm> new
[03:47:34] <alex_joni_> but on 2 rails, 8 slides we got > 2 tons
[03:47:38] <Jymmm> make n sell
[03:48:34] <robin_sz> I keep thinking about that ...
[03:48:48] <robin_sz> but with those chinese machines at <2k ...
[03:50:52] <Jymmm> $27 electronic edge finder
[03:52:23] <Jymmm> http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMAKA=65002206
[03:53:44] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Jymm
[03:53:52] <Jymm> Jymm is now known as MrAsshole
[03:54:24] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
[03:56:45] <Jymmm> I'd like to mount a edge finder on my machien, but not sure how to perm mount it and be able to calibrate it
[03:57:41] <robin_sz> do you know how they work?
[03:57:52] <Jymmm> nope
[03:57:56] <robin_sz> well ...
[03:57:59] <Jymmm> hit the edge, the led lites
[03:58:04] <robin_sz> mmm
[03:58:08] <robin_sz> yes
[03:58:16] <robin_sz> but its electrical contact ...
[03:58:22] <robin_sz> so only works on metal things
[03:58:34] <Jymmm> not tiny switch?
[03:58:37] <robin_sz> nope
[03:58:57] <Jymmm> oh, well scratch the $27 one
[03:59:55] <robin_sz> would work OK by ahnd and eye.
[04:00:09] <robin_sz> by cnc .. well, snap.
[04:00:12] <robin_sz> ok, bye
[04:06:04] <ajoni> ajoni is now known as alex_joni_
[04:26:28] <alex_joni_> skunkworks: hello
[04:27:19] <skunkworks> hi - whats up?
[04:27:30] <alex_joni_> * alex_joni_ is
[04:27:36] <alex_joni_> still up :)
[04:27:52] <skunkworks> I was wondering - are you a professor?
[04:28:03] <alex_joni_> one question for you regarding :
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1367192&group_id=6744&atid=106744
[04:28:08] <alex_joni_> skunkworks: how so?
[04:28:43] <skunkworks> when you guys where going over the tp earlier - I could see you at a black board figureing it out.
[04:28:50] <skunkworks> in front of a class
[04:28:58] <alex_joni_> ROFL.. not really
[04:29:11] <skunkworks> just wondering ;)
[04:29:19] <alex_joni_> but thanks I guess ..
[04:29:37] <alex_joni_> is that bug-tracker still valid?
[04:31:31] <cradek> wow jmk wrote a long essay on that one
[04:31:43] <cradek> I bet I've changed everything he wrote about too
[04:31:47] <cradek> well, not everything
[04:31:52] <alex_joni_> a bit ;)
[04:33:00] <skunkworks> sorry - battery went dead. no warning.
[04:33:01] <alex_joni_> skunkworks: is that bugtracker still valid?
[04:33:12] <alex_joni_> skunkworks: bet you're running BDI :D
[04:33:18] <alex_joni_> without ACPI :P
[04:33:50] <skunkworks> My problem was solved with the headroom added to the stepper.hal
[04:34:01] <alex_joni_> ok, so the bugtracker can go..
[04:34:19] <skunkworks> other than I think jmk wasn't sure of a finall solution.
[04:34:35] <cradek> I know jmk doesn't want to put +5% in the stepgen
[04:34:42] <cradek> I wonder if he would mind if I would put -5% in the TP
[04:34:47] <alex_joni_> :D
[04:34:59] <cradek> seriously though, we would fix the problem and would not violate the requested constraints
[04:35:02] <skunkworks> btw - windows xp machine. every once in a while i don't get a warning - go figure
[04:35:20] <alex_joni_> skunkworks: I won't :P
[04:35:28] <skunkworks> he added an extra variable for it in a later build.
[04:35:32] <alex_joni_> probably crappy ACPI implementation
[04:35:40] <alex_joni_> skunkworks: yup I know
[04:35:43] <skunkworks> (what I had added manually)
[04:35:44] <skunkworks> ok
[04:35:51] <alex_joni_> cradek: might be something, but ini defineable I think..
[04:36:10] <alex_joni_> I'm not sure it's linear
[04:36:22] <cradek> alex_joni_: well IMO we shouldn't need the user to worry about it
[04:36:40] <cradek> alex_joni_: we should fix the problem as if it's a bug (I think it is a bug)
[04:36:45] <alex_joni_> right, but in some cases he might want to change it.. sunno
[04:36:47] <alex_joni_> dunno
[04:36:57] <cradek> yeah, afaik it's up to jmk
[04:37:02] <cradek> it was just a thought
[04:37:05] <alex_joni_> right
[04:37:41] <alex_joni_> jmk went to bed :D
[04:37:57] <alex_joni_> I should change timezones with him..
[04:39:33] <skunkworks> when i was goofing around with it certain setups requiered over 150 percent headroom
[04:39:47] <skunkworks> on acceleration
[04:39:55] <cradek> that may be another problem then...
[04:39:57] <alex_joni_> hrmm.. might have something else setup strange on those..
[04:40:04] <alex_joni_> right
[04:40:04] <skunkworks> to not get following errors
[04:40:09] <skunkworks> right
[04:40:20] <alex_joni_> left ;)
[04:44:06] <skunkworks> so you guys are working on exact stop mode - then on from there?
[04:44:21] <alex_joni_> cradek is
[04:45:19] <cradek> it's almost done...
[04:45:31] <cradek> err, I mean to say, I'm almost ready to start testing
[04:45:58] <alex_joni_> cradek: it's done when you are finished documenting it :P
[04:46:01] <alex_joni_> *big grin
[04:46:07] <cradek> I'm doing that as I go along
[04:46:13] <alex_joni_> yeah yeah
[04:46:15] <alex_joni_> :)
[04:46:30] <alex_joni_> how about 'code a little, test a little' ?
[04:46:39] <cradek> oh I did that, really
[04:46:48] <skunkworks> I did something similar 10 or so years ago. then wanted to add look ahead. then couldn't get my head around it. ;)
[04:46:49] <alex_joni_> then it's almost done :D
[04:46:56] <cradek> I got "plow along at the requested velocity, ignoring everything else" working first
[04:48:03] <cradek> well I have to say les's page makes trapezoidal blending look really easy.
[04:48:21] <cradek> maybe I will be able to do that (from scratch) and get it 100% right
[04:48:27] <alex_joni_> look, but when you do the actual coding, it's not that easy
[04:48:33] <cradek> right
[04:48:42] <skunkworks> I have faith in you.
[04:48:47] <alex_joni_> usually theory is a lot easier :D
[04:49:03] <alex_joni_> that's why I don't really like it..
[04:49:06] <cradek> for instance I think it doesn't handle different max accels in different axes
[04:49:42] <skunkworks> minor detail. ;)
[04:49:53] <cradek> skunkworks: faith == belief in something without rational reason
[04:50:00] <alex_joni_> minor detail, big difference
[04:50:09] <cradek> skunkworks: (really, I appreciate the sentiment)
[04:50:15] <alex_joni_> lol
[04:50:49] <alex_joni_> cradek: I'm also having faith in you :P
[04:50:55] <skunkworks> how about - Going by what I have seen you do - I think you can accomplish this task
[04:51:11] <alex_joni_> skunkworks: faith is better..
[04:51:20] <cradek> haha ok thanks
[04:51:20] <alex_joni_> keeps you covered if he fails :D
[04:51:36] <skunkworks> good point ;)
[04:51:54] <alex_joni_> cradek: we're only joking around, don't you dare failing us :D
[04:52:15] <cradek> alex_joni_: you'll cut my pay?
[04:52:33] <alex_joni_> no, that would be too easy on you
[04:52:43] <alex_joni_> I'll make you do it again
[04:52:44] <alex_joni_> :D
[04:54:46] <skunkworks> I say minor detail as it is the second issue I had with emc2 (different max accels per axis)
[04:55:01] <alex_joni_> yup
[04:55:40] <alex_joni_> darn, I ran out of firewood.. need to get more :)
[04:56:06] <skunkworks> well I should go to bed. (already in bed) I should go to sleep.
[04:56:22] <alex_joni_> yes you should.. it's getting late (early)
[04:56:40] <skunkworks> ;) - is that all you use to heat is wood?
[04:56:57] <alex_joni_> over here yes (vacation house in the mountains)
[04:57:20] <skunkworks> nice. My wife wants us to visit you. ;)
[04:57:24] <cradek> an interesting contrast - using fire to keep warm while chatting on your wireless internet
[04:57:40] <alex_joni_> and coke to keep awake..
[04:57:41] <skunkworks> my parents only heat with wood.
[04:57:57] <cradek> in the morning you'll have to hunt a mastadon for breakfast
[04:58:01] <alex_joni_> but seriously.. a big fireplace is nice
[04:58:03] <skunkworks> I decided I did not want to work that hard. (turns up the thermostat)
[04:58:11] <alex_joni_> no, still scraps from the last one
[04:58:35] <alex_joni_> skunkworks: the first day I spent about 4 hours digging snow :D
[04:58:41] <alex_joni_> before parking the car properly :P
[04:58:46] <skunkworks> ;)
[04:59:07] <alex_joni_> but it's nice..
[04:59:17] <alex_joni_> I imagine people living here 100 years ago
[04:59:27] <skunkworks> what are you using for internet? dsl, dialup, satellite?
[04:59:31] <alex_joni_> with no electricity, running water, etc
[04:59:53] <alex_joni_> cell dialup (156 kbps over here, 2.4MBps in civilisation ;)
[05:00:06] <alex_joni_> it's called CDMA
[05:00:25] <Jymmm> * Jymmm introduces alex_joni to the FOUR WHEEL DRIVE concept and SNOW TIRES
[05:00:36] <skunkworks> not bad. I had directway 2 way satellite for a while. until we finally got dsl
[05:00:40] <alex_joni_> I do have those :P
[05:00:50] <alex_joni_> Jymmm: both of them..
[05:00:55] <Jymmm> alex_joni Then why dig/shovel for four hours?
[05:01:27] <alex_joni_> but if you have a road cleared by a plow, and a 70cm high snow wall, no 4W will ever help
[05:01:36] <alex_joni_> trust me.. I tried it before..
[05:02:03] <Jymmm> alex_joni ok, toss on a plow on the front of yours then
[05:02:15] <Jymmm> I've sen them for cars
[05:02:16] <alex_joni_> that works when it's fresh..
[05:02:28] <alex_joni_> not like this.. melted and frosted a few times..
[05:02:29] <Jymmm> phallanx then
[05:03:07] <Jymmm> alex_joni get yourself a mini-phalanx then, car roof mounted -->
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/mk-15.htm
[05:03:11] <alex_joni_> * alex_joni_ goes to bed..
[05:03:14] <alex_joni_> night all
[05:03:18] <alex_joni_> or good day ;)
[05:03:21] <cradek> night alex
[05:03:24] <skunkworks> night - I going also
[05:03:30] <Jymmm> alex_joni read that link first
[05:03:38] <alex_joni_> Jymmm: firethrower is more appropiate :D
[05:03:58] <alex_joni_> nice:D
[05:04:00] <Jymmm> alex_joniL That's what it is, just works five miles away =)
[05:04:11] <alex_joni_> where do I sign up for one of those?
[05:04:59] <Jymmm> only $8M each
[05:05:16] <Jymmm> ammo not included =)
[05:29:35] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[05:29:36] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[05:43:08] <Jymmm> G'Night Folks!
[10:17:08] <fenn> swp you alive?
[10:17:27] <fenn> need a hot coffee injection?
[11:38:02] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[12:13:39] <fenn> SWPadnos: i'm trying to convince someone on a mailing list that the no-transformer idea is a bad idea, but i forget exactly why it's so dangerous compared to say a computer or a vacuum cleaner
[12:21:58] <Jacky^> morning
[12:30:17] <anonimasu> hehe
[12:30:20] <anonimasu> fenn: sounds great ^_^
[12:30:29] <Jacky^> hi anonimasu :)
[12:30:37] <Jacky^> Happy New Year
[12:31:00] <fenn> dammit why can't people be up at all hours to answer my electronics questions
[12:31:23] <Jacky^> fenn: thats the good side of the chat
[12:31:43] <Jacky^> just do a question and wait :)
[12:31:50] <anonimasu> thanks
[12:31:58] <anonimasu> happy new year to you too
[12:32:11] <Jacky^> ty :)
[12:33:43] <Jacky^> Italy start the new year with a new warning today
[12:33:57] <fenn> duck and cover
[12:34:01] <Jacky^> Ucraine cut the gas forniture
[12:34:28] <Jacky^> in Italy, Austria and some other country
[12:34:42] <fenn> why?
[12:34:53] <Jacky^> its not clean the reason
[12:35:13] <Jacky^> probably, they do not agree the price ..
[12:35:27] <Jacky^> just to remember who is dominating the world
[12:35:30] <Jacky^> bah
[12:36:50] <fenn> well i'd rather they flex their economic muscles than pull a stunt like russia flying planes over japan
[12:37:03] <fenn> i guess that was a while ago
[12:38:04] <Jacky^> yeah
[12:52:40] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[13:17:18] <fenn> * fenn too
[13:34:29] <wb9mjn> Hi Fenn...Computers have transformers...they are just small 40 KHz transformers though...
[13:48:02] <wb9mjn> The reason its bad to go trans-formerless, is that the AC is floating with respect to ground...When properly loaded neutral should be within 10 VRMS of ground, but its not
[13:48:26] <wb9mjn> uncommon to see it at 40 VRMS...and when there is a load surge, the neutral will jump....
[13:49:44] <wb9mjn> Besides that, what happens if you get the neutral and hot reversed? Remember CNC s are built of metal, not metal chasis in an insulating case....
[13:50:52] <wb9mjn> The capacitance of the drive motors to the metal would be enough to pass current that can be felt.
[13:51:42] <wb9mjn> With a transformer, the capacitance between windings can be minimized, and even if not, the common mode AC current is grounded where the DC power supply is...
[14:00:29] <Jacky^> http://www.reactos.org/xhtml/it/screenshots.html
[14:01:11] <Jacky^> a windows based open source O.S ? O_O
[14:01:24] <Jacky^> bauahahhaa :D
[14:01:33] <Jacky^> cool
[14:03:49] <Jacky^> using win32 API ..
[14:04:07] <Jacky^> mmm
[15:31:54] <alex_joni_> morning all
[15:46:53] <alex_joni_> morning djb_rh_
[15:53:26] <alex_joni_> everyone dying .. probably too much food for new years :D
[15:53:31] <alex_joni_> morning sam
[15:54:06] <skunkworks> morning alex
[15:54:29] <alex_joni_> how is you?
[15:57:15] <skunkworks> get enough wood last last night?
[15:57:25] <alex_joni_> yeah, fire's ok :P
[15:57:26] <skunkworks> good - slept too long
[15:57:41] <alex_joni_> I didn't .. got up at around 2PM
[15:58:10] <skunkworks> you have wierd sleeping habits
[15:58:27] <alex_joni_> indeed.. but only during vacation (I hope)
[15:58:40] <skunkworks> thats good
[15:58:45] <alex_joni_> guess I could move to hawaii and I wouldn't notice any jet-lag
[15:58:49] <alex_joni_> lol
[15:59:18] <skunkworks> ;)
[16:00:22] <alex_joni_> anyways, guess I'll go to sleep earlier today..
[16:00:30] <alex_joni_> but what can I do? it's pooring outside :(
[16:00:35] <alex_joni_> melting the snow away.. bleah
[16:00:42] <skunkworks> same here
[16:03:04] <wb9mjn> Just put a fan on my Z motor....letting run to see of the dropping resistor gets too hot...alternative is to get a second fan and series em...
[16:03:25] <wb9mjn> Little PC power supply 12 v Brushless fan...
[16:03:51] <wb9mjn> Running it off the 24 V line to the Z brake...so when the brake comes on, so will the fan...quick and dirty....
[16:04:07] <wb9mjn> brake gets energize, ie off actually...
[16:04:50] <alex_joni_> wb9mjn: what voltage on the fan?
[16:05:08] <wb9mjn> Its a 12 volt fan...had a 100 ohm 5 w resistor in the junk bin...
[16:05:21] <wb9mjn> Fan was in the junk bin too...
[16:05:31] <alex_joni_> heh, wot's the resistor for?
[16:05:49] <wb9mjn> Drop the 24 v industrial controls supply to the fan...
[16:06:03] <alex_joni_> ahh.. 24V supply..
[16:06:14] <alex_joni_> use a 12V zenner
[16:06:40] <wb9mjn> Yep...the brake uses 24 v....I had the 100 ohm resistor...fan sees 11.8 volts now...should be fine...
[16:06:55] <alex_joni_> right, 5W should be plenty
[16:06:56] <wb9mjn> After it runs an hour see if the resistor gets too hot....
[16:07:07] <wb9mjn> Yea...1.4 watts actual disipation...
[16:07:21] <alex_joni_> metallic? or ceramic?
[16:07:41] <wb9mjn> ceramic...
[16:07:47] <alex_joni_> I have some very nice .01 ohm, 10W metalic resistors
[16:07:56] <alex_joni_> scrapped from some servo's :D
[16:08:04] <alex_joni_> make great shunts..
[16:08:05] <wb9mjn> balast resistors for output stages...
[16:08:42] <wb9mjn> or multiple motors...
[16:08:47] <wb9mjn> big motors...
[16:08:53] <alex_joni_> actually current sensing
[16:09:04] <wb9mjn> Ok...
[16:09:21] <alex_joni_> for feedback control, or current limiting
[16:11:09] <wb9mjn> Crazy weather here....2 weeks of november and december were down to 10 F or lower in the morings, sometimes as cold as -7 F (-20 C) now its in the 40's (about 5 C) and raining with
[16:11:27] <wb9mjn> the possibility of thunderstorms.....will be really wierd if we get a tornado warning !
[16:11:40] <alex_joni_> same here.. but no tornado's
[16:11:45] <alex_joni_> but 5+ and raining
[16:11:55] <wb9mjn> Just had a big thunderclap....!
[16:11:56] <alex_joni_> and I'm 1000m altitude (in the mountains :(
[16:12:14] <wb9mjn> We at are at 200 m above seal level here ...
[16:12:38] <skunkworks> damn it alex - new camera an no pictures of your view
[16:12:44] <alex_joni_> hang on..
[16:12:51] <wb9mjn> Great Planes of the US only vary a few hundred meters...the Lake (Lake Michigan) is at 590 feet amsl ...
[16:12:53] <alex_joni_> just releasing some fireworks pics
[16:14:22] <alex_joni_> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/photography/01136216897
[16:14:59] <wb9mjn> resistor is running at about 150...should be fine...
[16:15:45] <wb9mjn> Empty coal train going by, they make more vibration the loaded ones, since they go allot faster, and rattle the ground...
[16:16:00] <skunkworks> thanks - nice. Real fireworks. around here they are frowned apon ;)
[16:16:04] <alex_joni_> * alex_joni_ grew up near train lines..
[16:16:10] <alex_joni_> skunkworks: how so?
[16:16:17] <skunkworks> (for personal use)
[16:16:36] <wb9mjn> I m off the main train line that goes to Wyoming and runs all the coal into Chicago for the coal powr plants there...
[16:16:51] <skunkworks> pretty much anything that makes noise or is on fire is outlawed ;)
[16:17:35] <skunkworks> someone might hurt them selves
[16:17:47] <wb9mjn> They had fire works in town here , for the 175 th birthday celebration...professionally done of course...
[16:18:09] <wb9mjn> Your link is bad Alex...
[16:18:16] <skunkworks> worked for me
[16:18:21] <alex_joni_> skunkworks: same here, only for new years it's allowed
[16:18:32] <les_w> stormy here...dsl is cutting out
[16:18:42] <wb9mjn> Not for me...wierd....
[16:19:28] <wb9mjn> Getting the peak of this thunder cells rain now....probably at about 2 inches / hour at the moment, if not more...
[16:19:31] <skunkworks> just raining here
[16:19:39] <alex_joni_> wb9mjn: try
http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/photography
[16:19:45] <alex_joni_> there should be a link from there
[16:20:14] <wb9mjn> Wierd,,,your links have worked for me in the past...not today...
[16:20:44] <wb9mjn> Must be an internet routing problem...
[16:21:17] <skunkworks> seems to be working for me - both links. are they filtering in IL? ;)
[16:21:24] <alex_joni_> probably.. dunno
[16:21:41] <wb9mjn> Ameritech/SBC/ATT is screwed up today...
[16:22:13] <wb9mjn> Morning Les...
[16:22:59] <wb9mjn> Last day of the vacation for me....back to the grind tomorrow...
[16:23:50] <les_w> morning. Powerful squall line blasting through dupage...
[16:23:59] <wb9mjn> Got allot done on the machine....I made the plate to mount the encoder the other day...machine did a nice job on the clearance hole for the encoder drive shaft...
[16:24:02] <les_w> funny same temp and conditions here
[16:24:13] <wb9mjn> Rain is tapering down now...
[16:24:15] <les_w> oh good
[16:24:35] <wb9mjn> And the plate came out quite square....so that problem is fixed...
[16:25:05] <wb9mjn> The NEMA 34 mounting holes were dead on...so the screws are reasonably accurate...
[16:25:45] <wb9mjn> Just as long as we do not get a training storm...had 16 inches in a day once here when that happened...
[16:26:01] <les_w> I remember
[16:26:01] <wb9mjn> They almost lost a railroad overpass due to the errosion...
[16:26:13] <les_w> I was in the salt creek flood in elmhurst
[16:26:45] <wb9mjn> THE ? I think that happens twice a year ...
[16:26:51] <wb9mjn> spring and fall...
[16:26:57] <les_w> almost flooded my then basement shop
[16:26:58] <wb9mjn> Or spring then spring again...
[16:27:07] <les_w> 8 feet of water in the streets
[16:27:37] <wb9mjn> The train line here had about 3 feet of water in it...its down below grade here by about 20 feet ...
[16:27:51] <wb9mjn> Rain drained into it...
[16:27:58] <les_w> not so bad at my house...only about 3 feet. came within inches of the basement window wells
[16:28:34] <wb9mjn> Best to take out the glass and put in glass block on any problematic window wells...
[16:28:42] <les_w> well rain has stopped here for a minute....better check the mail in the po box
[16:28:45] <les_w> bbiam
[16:28:54] <skunkworks> wb9mjn - does this work?
[16:28:55] <skunkworks> 193.226.12.138/~juve/blog/index.cgi/photography
[16:29:05] <wb9mjn> Glass wills blow out about 1/3 the way up...that was a problem at my parents house...
[16:29:19] <alex_joni_> I'd wonder, DNS is pretty stable (never had issues with it)
[16:30:03] <wb9mjn> Not from within MIRC...its giving me a wierd dialogue box...will type in the link...
[16:30:11] <skunkworks> copy and past?
[16:30:18] <skunkworks> bbl - need a shower
[16:30:41] <wb9mjn> No copy and past from MIRC...have to do it the old-fashioned way...
[16:31:03] <wb9mjn> But you can click on links from MIRC and it just brings up the browser usually...
[16:31:26] <alex_joni_> wb9mjn: sure copy paste works, just need to select text, then paste
[16:31:43] <alex_joni_> select takes care of copying too
[16:32:12] <wb9mjn> Not here for some reason...
[16:32:49] <wb9mjn> Cannot find server...
[16:33:03] <wb9mjn> Never been a problem in the past...
[16:33:34] <wb9mjn> Have to ask Radu (IT guy from Romania at the company Connecticut factory)...
[16:33:58] <alex_joni_> Radu ... ?
[16:34:15] <alex_joni_> wb9mjn: try a traceroute (if on linux), tracert (if on doze)
[16:34:21] <alex_joni_> tracert 193.226.12.138
[16:34:40] <alex_joni_> it should show hops, as it moves along, and it will eventually stop (timeout)..
[16:36:24] <wb9mjn> Its only making it two hops into the Ameritech network then stopping...
[16:36:30] <wb9mjn> Must be a router problem...
[16:36:36] <wb9mjn> Google works...
[16:36:43] <alex_joni_> probably some routing is fscked
[16:41:10] <alex_joni_> wb9mjn: reaching you just fine from here ..
[16:45:13] <wb9mjn> Yep...but not getting pings back from skunk or les !
[16:45:35] <alex_joni_> probably something is busted.. you need to wait it out
[16:45:35] <wb9mjn> Double wierd...
[16:45:42] <alex_joni_> route propagation takes a while
[16:45:59] <wb9mjn> Yep...not worrying....Yes...I used to be the network op for the local ham radio network....
[16:46:16] <alex_joni_> ok, I'm off for a while..
[16:46:24] <alex_joni_> gone to watch some more MASH ;)
[16:46:27] <alex_joni_> love the show..
[16:48:29] <alex_joni_> later everyone..
[16:49:38] <skunkworks> you can copy and paste from merc - what ever you highlight is coppied. (odd I know)
[16:50:13] <jepler> sounds like how X apps work to me
[16:54:31] <skunkworks> took me a while to figure that out ;)
[16:55:52] <skunkworks> going shopping - bbl
[17:11:41] <Phantom> hi
[17:12:24] <Phantom> somebody here?
[19:11:39] <jmkasunich> jmkasunich is now known as jmk_away
[19:20:19] <Jymmm> les_w you around?
[19:20:48] <alex_joni_> he's a square
[19:33:51] <K4ts> K4ts is now known as Jacky^
[19:34:19] <Jacky^> Jacky^ is now known as Jacky^cook
[19:34:28] <Jacky^cook> :P
[19:34:48] <alex_joni_> some weird genderchange going on there..
[19:35:09] <Jacky^cook> * Jacky^cook planning a very special dinner :D
[19:35:13] <Jacky^cook> hi alex_joni
[19:35:14] <alex_joni_> from a woman to a man, then back to a cook.. :D
[19:36:01] <Jacky^cook> just turn around here to get a good food ;)
[19:36:19] <alex_joni_> Jacky^cook: I have plenty of that, but thank you
[19:36:23] <alex_joni_> what are you cooking?
[19:37:09] <fenn_> fenn_ is now known as fenn
[19:37:18] <alex_joni_> fenn: why did you kill fenn?
[19:37:24] <Jacky^cook> lambkin
[19:37:27] <fenn> revenge
[19:37:45] <fenn> jealousy
[19:37:51] <alex_joni> and love...
[19:38:05] <alex_joni_> those come in a package usually..
[19:38:15] <Jacky^cook> artichoke
[19:38:28] <alex_joni_> no pasta Jacky^cook?
[19:38:28] <Jacky^cook> and red wine from sardinia island woow :P
[19:38:38] <Jacky^cook> yep, pasta too
[19:38:50] <alex_joni_> what kind?
[19:38:55] <Jacky^cook> barilla half pens
[19:39:35] <Jacky^cook> k4ts worked on first plate, I develop the second
[19:39:39] <Jacky^cook> hahaha :D
[19:41:20] <Jacky^cook> kidding .. just tryng a recipe found in internet..
[19:41:29] <Jacky^cook> open source :P
[19:41:44] <Jacky^cook> now going to test the result
[19:42:00] <alex_joni_> nice
[19:42:05] <alex_joni_> enjoy your meal
[19:42:47] <Jacky^cook> ;P
[20:35:07] <Jacky^cook> Jacky^cook is now known as K4ts
[21:18:07] <les_w> hi robin
[21:18:16] <robin_sz> he
[21:18:18] <robin_sz> hi
[21:18:24] <ajoni> hehi
[21:18:29] <robin_sz> kant tope
[21:18:55] <les_w> stuff is mostly wired on the cnc...now need a place to put the vfd
[21:19:08] <les_w> it is only ip 20 enclosed
[21:19:24] <ajoni> stick it in an ip 65 cabinet
[21:19:47] <Jacky^> hey les_w !!
[21:19:55] <Jacky^> cooke hacked this evening
[21:19:58] <Jacky^> :P
[21:19:59] <les_w> I think I should put it in a neama type electrical enclosurehi jacky
[21:20:01] <Jacky^> http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/cena02/cena02.html
[21:20:06] <Jacky^> hahahaha
[21:20:54] <Jacky^> look .. at that good food :P
[21:21:09] <K4ts> hello
[21:21:24] <Jacky^> hello K4ts :P
[21:21:34] <les_w> i'm now hungry
[21:21:46] <Jacky^> what happening ?
[21:21:47] <les_w> what a well documented dinner
[21:21:55] <Jacky^> hahah yep :P
[21:22:01] <K4ts> ih ih
[21:22:16] <les_w> just working. about done for the day
[21:22:24] <les_w> looking more at your pictures
[21:22:27] <robin_sz> Italians doing what they do best ... eating ;)
[21:22:30] <Jacky^> uhm
[21:22:46] <Jacky^> starting on new year its a bit hard ..
[21:22:48] <les_w> Jacky and anna need to come here and feed me
[21:22:55] <Jacky^> hehehe :D
[21:23:21] <Jacky^> nice les_w
[21:23:49] <robin_sz> sigh how i am begining to hate the ASME/ASTM lot ...
[21:23:59] <les_w> I see the laptop on the table with irc
[21:24:10] <Jacky^> yep, cool laptop
[21:24:21] <Jacky^> it must be there *
[21:24:25] <Jacky^> always :)
[21:24:34] <robin_sz> "we have set the standards for all sorts of flanges and fittings for standard pipes"
[21:24:34] <SWPadnos> les_w, Infiniti M35 X
[21:24:44] <Jacky^> les_w: did you work today ?
[21:24:47] <robin_sz> "no, you cannot see them, its a secret"
[21:24:47] <Jacky^> really ??
[21:25:05] <les_w> robin, I was gonna mount the drive inside the cnc...but there are flammables like oil nearby. Giant capacitors in just ip20 boxes scare me
[21:25:15] <SWPadnos> well - they'll show then to you after you pay $150,000 and one testicle
[21:25:20] <SWPadnos> them
[21:25:26] <Jacky^> oh.. may youre working.. assuming fuse time :(
[21:25:32] <robin_sz> thats about right
[21:25:45] <Jacky^> :)
[21:25:48] <les_w> kinda working
[21:26:01] <les_w> Is reading mouser catalog working?
[21:26:02] <Jacky^> yep, good ..
[21:26:12] <les_w> (electronics catalog)
[21:26:20] <K4ts> I go to sing!
[21:26:21] <Jacky^> who stop working, lost
[21:26:33] <Jacky^> I agreed
[21:26:34] <Jacky^> :)
[21:26:37] <les_w> witch room?
[21:26:45] <les_w> whitch
[21:26:50] <les_w> blah
[21:26:52] <les_w> haha
[21:26:53] <Jacky^> lets see..
[21:26:55] <Jacky^> hehe
[21:27:06] <K4ts> my room
[21:27:25] <K4ts> musica in allegria
[21:27:37] <Jacky^> oh ..
[21:27:42] <SWPadnos> les_w, chosen by Consumer reports as the best luxury sedan (beat out the BMW 530i)
[21:27:48] <Jacky^> so, I must reboot :(
[21:27:54] <Jacky^> hi SWPadnos :)
[21:27:58] <SWPadnos> hi
[21:28:05] <les_w> ok I will see you there
[21:28:06] <Jacky^> Happy new year
[21:28:14] <les_w> swp which car?
[21:28:17] <SWPadnos> thank you
[21:28:23] <ajoni> ajoni is now known as alex_joni_
[21:28:25] <SWPadnos> the Infiniti M35 X
[21:28:39] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ reboot with xp . sigh ...
[21:28:47] <les_w> oh yeah...it's very very good
[21:29:08] <robin_sz> if you like jap crap ;)
[21:29:44] <les_w> I wanted an audi and will still get one if it has bumper to bumper warranty on a cpo car
[21:29:57] <SWPadnos> the only "low" in the consumer reports rankings is "low beam headlights"
[21:30:02] <les_w> like infiniti q but can't find one
[21:30:07] <les_w> very few are made
[21:30:53] <les_w> so I am just waiting for the right CPO car to come up
[21:31:04] <les_w> when it does i'll grab it.
[21:31:47] <les_w> A 2003 audi a6 quattro CPO will be only about 22k with 4 year warranty
[21:32:01] <les_w> same for the q...if I could find one
[21:32:17] <SWPadnos> that's less than $50k
[21:32:28] <SWPadnos> (I is real goodly with math)
[21:32:46] <les_w> yeah both cars have 50-60k MSRP
[21:33:31] <les_w> so it looks new, has new car warranty, and less than half price. Just some miles on it. Not a lot.
[21:33:38] <les_w> Works for me.
[21:33:56] <SWPadnos> usually a 2-year old, high mileage car is the best bet (though low mileage is also good)
[21:34:09] <les_w> I would rather have that than a new one of lower features and performance
[21:34:12] <SWPadnos> those are usually from traveling salespeople, so all the miles are highway
[21:34:21] <robin_sz> mileage on modern cars is actually a good thing .. shakes out the problems
[21:34:49] <les_w> CPO programs only use low mileage I guess
[21:34:50] <SWPadnos> yeah, with the first tune-up at 100k miles, they shouldn't be that much of an issue
[21:34:58] <SWPadnos> CPO is ?
[21:35:02] <SWPadnos> corporate ...
[21:35:06] <les_w> certified pre owned
[21:35:07] <SWPadnos> purchasing office
[21:35:13] <SWPadnos> ah
[21:35:20] <les_w> has new factory warranty after inspections
[21:35:34] <SWPadnos> anything that's dealer-certified, and you buy it from the dealer, is suspicious to me
[21:35:38] <SWPadnos> regardless of warrantee
[21:35:56] <les_w> This is not dealer. It's manufacturer.
[21:36:10] <SWPadnos> generally those are the remainder of the factory warrantee (with some minimum term)
[21:36:39] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ came back to Linux
[21:36:43] <Jacky^> ugh
[21:36:52] <Jacky^> windows freeze
[21:37:24] <Jacky^> damn dsl.. K4ts have a poor dsl
[21:38:47] <Jacky^> only one at the time
[21:38:50] <Jacky^> :/
[21:41:12] <les_w> jacky can't find musica in allegria
[21:41:16] <les_w> spelled right?
[21:41:49] <Jacky^> right
[21:42:04] <Jacky^> wait ..
[21:42:18] <Jacky^> I had to reboot in LInux ..
[21:42:48] <Jacky^> this connection is not enough fast for 2 paltalk connections :(
[21:42:57] <Jacky^> K4ts: is tryng .
[21:43:13] <les_w> still can't find
[21:43:20] <Jacky^> try now
[21:43:26] <les_w> k
[21:43:50] <Jacky^> I will listen from K4ts pc .. cant run another paltalk connection here ..
[21:44:07] <les_w> i'm in
[21:44:18] <Jacky^> :-)
[21:45:37] <Jacky^> capinera is mary, from florence
[21:46:37] <les_w> I see
[21:47:05] <Jacky^> hahahaha
[21:47:07] <Jacky^> :D
[21:48:03] <Jacky^> lol
[21:48:15] <Jacky^> les_w: how she called you ?
[21:48:19] <Jacky^> :P
[21:48:30] <les_w> haha
[21:48:34] <Jacky^> :D
[21:48:43] <les_w> tell her I can't speak italian!
[21:48:51] <Jacky^> hehe
[21:48:56] <les_w> but I will listen.
[21:49:47] <robin_sz> I think we have telphone service liek that here ...
[21:50:05] <robin_sz> you phoen some premium rate number and a girl speaks Italian at you ...
[21:50:14] <Jacky^> haha
[21:50:47] <Jacky^> les_w: is familiar with italian :-)
[21:51:17] <les_w> ha
[21:51:28] <Jacky^> ;-)
[21:51:48] <Jacky^> :)
[21:52:28] <Jacky^> wow
[21:52:50] <les_w> the singing is great...if only I had a seat at your dinner table...
[21:53:01] <Jacky^> just listening K4ts Live singing
[21:53:03] <Jacky^> lol
[21:53:05] <Jacky^> :)
[21:53:30] <Jacky^> les_w: we just have about 10-12 seats here
[21:54:04] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni * 10documents/lyx/User_Hardware.lyx: fixed typo G20/G21 inversion as stated by bug #1106249
[21:56:59] <Jacky^> hahah
[21:56:59] <Jacky^> hahaha
[21:56:59] <Jacky^> listen capi
[21:56:59] <Jacky^> lol
[21:59:06] <Jacky^> ouch .. K4ts windoz pc seems wont let me surfing :/
[21:59:43] <Jacky^> robin_sz: did you started work today too ?
[22:00:25] <les_w> I just started up designing piezo stuff
[22:00:33] <les_w> got rusty after 2 weeks off
[22:01:09] <Jacky^> nice
[22:01:40] <Jacky^> Ive some other free day yet
[22:01:56] <les_w> I could have more, but I got bored
[22:02:32] <Jacky^> I suppose its cold there
[22:02:42] <Jacky^> here we got rain all the time
[22:03:01] <les_w> IT IS MILD BUT ALSO RAINING
[22:03:07] <les_w> oops
[22:03:15] <les_w> keystick.
[22:03:19] <Jacky^> haha
[22:11:11] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07simple_tp * 10emc2/src/emc/kinematics/ (tc.h tp.c):
[22:11:11] <CIA-8> not quite right - freezes on very short motions, and sometimes gets the
[22:11:11] <CIA-8> ramps wrong. I think I'm going to have to calculate and count traj cycles
[22:11:11] <CIA-8> to get it right.
[22:12:17] <jepler> wow, this has got to win some kind of "best use of an animated GIF" prize:
http://kadtronix.com/images/u401bb.gif
[22:12:28] <Jacky^> great cradek :)
[22:12:47] <cradek> jepler: yes, very useful
[22:13:39] <Jacky^> les_w: blue is male .. take a distance ..
[22:13:42] <Jacky^> :)
[22:14:07] <jepler> ajoni: you keep choosing different names. I don't understand it.
[22:14:22] <ajoni> jepler: my connection keeps trashing..
[22:14:29] <ajoni> I don't have a choice
[22:14:41] <ajoni> ajoni is now known as alex_joni_
[22:17:28] <Jacky^> LOL
[22:21:00] <Jymmm> jepler:
http://members.tripod.com/~jillsmustang/boobs.gif
[22:22:25] <Jacky^> Jymmm: :P
[22:23:22] <jepler> Jymmm: mine is way better than that
[22:24:43] <Jacky^> hahah
[22:26:58] <les_w> I heard you jacky
[22:27:15] <Jacky^> hehe
[22:27:39] <Jacky^> im tryng to teach K4ts to sing :/
[22:29:41] <les_w> laughing?
[22:29:47] <Jacky^> :D
[22:30:35] <Jymmm> jepler heh
[22:31:07] <Jymmm> jepler: Maybe not animated, but hell a lot better than yours! VERY Nice eye candy....
http://www.yourdirtymind.com/xxxmas_2005/galleries/hegre-luba-tree.html
[22:36:18] <SWPadnos> all conversation stops ...
[22:36:35] <les_w> ha
[22:36:40] <alex_joni_> I think that's older than 2005
[22:36:50] <SWPadnos> I think she's younger than 2005
[22:36:58] <alex_joni_> lol
[22:37:05] <alex_joni_> the gallery I mean ;)
[22:37:32] <les_w> oh about cpo....I checked a lot. it's pretty good. after the origial warranty runs out most everyting is still covered except oil changes and such.
[22:38:04] <les_w> 4 yeas /100,000
[22:38:17] <les_w> ...semms like a good deal.
[22:38:26] <SWPadnos> that is pretty good
[22:38:30] <Jacky^> :-)
[22:39:04] <SWPadnos> it is a nice gallery
[22:39:06] <les_w> I bought the BMW new. I was awfully expensive. Why not get the same for half?
[22:39:13] <SWPadnos> I think she has a twin sister as well
[22:40:45] <Jacky^> les_w: BMW its a good choice, congrats
[22:40:59] <Jacky^> there are no good car as that around here
[22:41:09] <les_w> I will keep it. But it is not good for long trips
[22:41:15] <Jacky^> maybe mas3rati
[22:41:30] <les_w> I need an old man car for the trips.
[22:41:31] <Jacky^> but its exensive too much
[22:41:37] <Jacky^> :)
[22:41:41] <Jacky^> good
[22:42:28] <Jacky^> just stau away from Fiat and Alfa Romeo
[22:42:38] <les_w> haha
[22:42:40] <alex_joni_> get a trike
[22:42:40] <Jacky^> and yoll be happy :-)
[22:42:46] <les_w> I sold them parts!
[22:42:48] <les_w> heh
[22:42:48] <Jacky^> stay*
[22:43:40] <Jacky^> I like bmw, theyre good cars
[22:43:55] <Jacky^> not much fantasy, but good ;P
[22:43:55] <les_w> yes very good
[22:43:58] <Jacky^> yep
[22:44:30] <Jacky^> at this time what is good is more important then fantasy
[22:44:41] <les_w> Mine is small...a 325. I just need something bigger for the very long trips.
[22:44:50] <Jacky^> hehee
[22:44:57] <les_w> 2000+ km
[22:45:02] <Jacky^> 325 isnt small.. came on
[22:45:04] <Jacky^> :)
[22:45:21] <alex_joni_> my uncle had an 750
[22:45:28] <les_w> nice car
[22:45:31] <alex_joni_> nice car, but too much fuel ;)
[22:45:47] <alex_joni_> 15-20l/100km in town :(
[22:45:52] <alex_joni_> 300+ HP
[22:46:10] <Jacky^> alex_joni_: al nice cars neeeded much fuel :(
[22:46:14] <Jacky^> ite the rule
[22:46:16] <Jacky^> its
[22:46:22] <les_w> the 325 has 189. the audi has 240
[22:46:23] <alex_joni_> not really
[22:46:34] <les_w> the infiniti has 340
[22:46:58] <les_w> I do not need huge horsepower
[22:47:01] <Jacky^> I prefer eletric cars, but Im not conventional
[22:48:35] <Jacky^> for me, a trip at 10km/h its regular in a big city
[22:48:44] <les_w> heh
[22:48:48] <Jacky^> but its not for all
[22:48:51] <Jacky^> :)
[22:49:29] <Jacky^> there are young peoples who want to travel at 250km/H
[22:49:38] <Jacky^> 100 km in 5 sec .
[22:49:46] <les_w> I have. but not any more.
[22:49:53] <les_w> unless I am in an airplane
[22:50:07] <Jacky^> thats ok, in airplane
[22:50:34] <les_w> I had an audi before. it would go 250. the BMW will too
[22:50:44] <alex_joni_> all I did was 210
[22:50:47] <Jymmm> MPH ?
[22:50:49] <alex_joni_> fast enough for me..
[22:51:01] <alex_joni_> Jymmm: kps
[22:51:11] <Jacky^> ew got another issue
[22:51:14] <Jacky^> we
[22:51:23] <Jacky^> 4 cars for family
[22:51:35] <Jacky^> naples its a caos
[22:51:40] <Jacky^> an hell
[22:52:05] <Jacky^> if you travel here you can see: 1 people for car
[22:52:26] <les_w> I have to have two
[22:52:35] <Jacky^> when 1 car could get 5 peoples onboard
[22:52:35] <les_w> I am very far from anything
[22:52:59] <Jacky^> theres someone having 2-3 cars
[22:53:04] <les_w> if car breaks, you starve.
[22:53:10] <les_w> so you need two.
[22:54:02] <Jymmm> les_w isn't that what the tractor is for?
[22:54:29] <les_w> oh, yeah!
[22:54:35] <Jacky^> :P
[22:54:45] <les_w> goes 15 mph in high gear and is street legal!
[22:54:51] <Jacky^> woow
[22:55:06] <Jacky^> thats is great :)
[22:55:09] <Jymmm> les_w But, when the end of the world is here, you can just pushing everything out of the way!
[22:55:45] <les_w> yeah. I have the urge to flip cars over when I have the forks on the bucket
[22:57:14] <Jymmm> hey, you wanna flip em, that's your choice, I just said move =)
[22:57:21] <les_w> ha
[22:57:26] <alex_joni_> * alex_joni_ goes to bed early today
[22:57:28] <alex_joni_> night all
[22:57:31] <Jymmm> nite
[22:57:33] <les_w> night alex
[22:57:40] <Jacky^> G Night alex_joni_
[22:59:55] <Jacky^> les_w: K4ts is closing the room
[23:00:08] <les_w> ok!
[23:00:12] <Jacky^> :)
[23:00:13] <les_w> tellher thanks
[23:00:33] <Jacky^> she read here :P
[23:01:07] <les_w> now I must prepare dinner
[23:01:13] <Jacky^> hehehe
[23:01:14] <les_w> biaw
[23:01:27] <Jacky^> later
[23:02:09] <Jacky^> Jymmm: K4ts ask, what time is it there ?
[23:02:24] <Jymmm> 15:00
[23:02:47] <Jacky^> oh.. ok afternoon
[23:02:58] <Jacky^> here 00:05
[23:03:07] <K4ts> good lounch
[23:03:07] <les_w> later here
[23:03:12] <les_w> 18:03
[23:03:29] <K4ts> good dinner
[23:03:32] <K4ts> a les
[23:03:32] <Jacky^> hehe
[23:03:50] <Jymmm> This is taking forever to download.... only 19% complete =(
[23:04:39] <Jacky^> Jymmm: we got new dsl offers
[23:04:42] <Jacky^> for 2006
[23:05:05] <Jacky^> but never fast like you :(
[23:05:15] <Jymmm> bummer
[23:05:23] <Jacky^> :)
[23:05:33] <K4ts> bummer'
[23:05:36] <K4ts> ?
[23:05:48] <Jacky^> K4ts: dont know what bummer mean ..
[23:05:56] <Jacky^> hehe
[23:06:04] <Jymmm> bummer, too bad, sorry to hear that.
[23:06:07] <K4ts> wowwww?
[23:06:14] <Jacky^> nah
[23:06:26] <Jacky^> too bad - troppo cattivo
[23:07:25] <K4ts> Jacky^: is a bad prompter
[23:07:39] <Jacky^> O_O
[23:07:57] <Jacky^> im a good cooke :)
[23:08:35] <Jacky^> I just worked 2 week to debug K4ts cooke ..
[23:09:07] <Jacky^> weeks
[23:11:42] <Jacky^> tried all
[23:11:43] <K4ts> Jymmm: do you want coffee?
[23:11:58] <Jacky^> norton antivirus, panda, etc..
[23:12:26] <Jacky^> Id like to do a format c:/ all
[23:12:39] <Jacky^> but im not sure she agreed
[23:12:42] <Jacky^> :(
[23:14:50] <Jymmm> K4ts: I like coffee =)
[23:16:10] <K4ts> * K4ts give a coffee to Jymmm
[23:16:21] <Jacky^> hehe
[23:16:34] <K4ts> mmmmmmmmmmmmhhhh
[23:16:43] <Jacky^> with poison inside ??
[23:16:47] <Jymmm> Jacky^: If she keeps this up, I'm gonna steal her away from you!
[23:16:50] <Jacky^> hehee
[23:16:54] <Jacky^> kidding :P
[23:17:04] <Jymmm> I'm not =)
[23:17:38] <Jacky^> nahh.. K4ts is ok ;)
[23:18:28] <Jacky^> haha
[23:21:36] <Jymmm> K4ts: Come run away with me! =)
[23:22:57] <K4ts> Jymmm: you are too much away
[23:23:25] <Jymmm> K4ts: Not at all, beautiful California =)
[23:23:43] <Jacky^> hehe
[23:24:27] <K4ts> yep, just 12.000 km from here
[23:24:43] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ is suggesting K4ts
[23:24:46] <Jacky^> hehehe
[23:24:48] <Jacky^> :)
[23:25:11] <Jymmm> K4ts: Easy, just take a bus =) lol
[23:25:19] <K4ts> ah ah
[23:25:29] <Jacky^> yep, just ask to les_w for a plane
[23:25:34] <Jacky^> :))
[23:25:37] <Jacky^> hehehe
[23:28:21] <Jacky^> * Jacky^ love california
[23:28:47] <Jacky^> I have some nice photos from there
[23:29:00] <Jymmm> * Jymmm too!
[23:29:06] <Jacky^> hahaha
[23:29:13] <Jacky^> cool :)
[23:29:47] <Jacky^> Jymmm: when youll come here the next time ?
[23:30:17] <Jacky^> 2007 could be a good idea
[23:30:30] <Jacky^> 2006-07
[23:30:47] <Jacky^> just planning to do it :)
[23:38:44] <Jymmm> 2106
[23:41:05] <Jacky^> oh
[23:41:09] <les_w> just back from town. Hard to drive on the mountain roads. very stormy.
[23:41:21] <les_w> In the higher areas I went into clouds
[23:41:22] <Jacky^> K4ts: desagree
[23:41:54] <Jymmm> this download is taking for ev errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
[23:42:49] <Jacky^> Jymmm: well find you before youll find we
[23:42:53] <Jacky^> :)
[23:43:52] <Jymmm> Prozac for Plants
[23:44:01] <K4ts> Jymmm: come here you in naples
[23:44:15] <Jymmm> K4ts Will Jacky^ be there?
[23:44:24] <Jacky^> yep :P
[23:44:30] <Jacky^> I,m
[23:44:33] <Jacky^> heheh
[23:45:20] <K4ts> ah ah
[23:45:48] <Jacky^> Jymmm:
http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/panoramica.jpg
[23:46:01] <les_w> we could get a good dinner, jymmm
[23:46:01] <Jacky^> that a bad weather day
[23:46:23] <Jacky^> bat look at the vulcan
[23:46:28] <Jacky^> vesuvio
[23:46:30] <Jacky^> :)
[23:46:35] <Jacky^> its niiiiceeee
[23:46:38] <Jacky^> not ?
[23:46:40] <les_w> very bad weather here. 60 dbz doppler radar returns. that usually means hail
[23:46:50] <Jacky^> yes, :(
[23:47:24] <Jacky^> Jymmm: the mountain at the center o the panoramic is the volcan
[23:47:28] <Jacky^> vesusio
[23:47:36] <Jacky^> the second in europe :)
[23:47:46] <Jacky^> at the left, naples
[23:47:51] <les_w> etna first?
[23:48:03] <Jacky^> where the pizza was born !
[23:48:16] <les_w> oh I am cooking pizza now
[23:48:36] <Jacky^> les_w: yeah, Etna in Sicily Island its the first of europe
[23:48:41] <Jacky^> :)
[23:49:57] <Jacky^> Etna euprions are not rarely
[23:50:02] <K4ts> les give me pizza
[23:50:15] <Jacky^> hehehe
[23:50:41] <les_w> give me your dinner!
[23:50:48] <Jacky^> les_w: K4ts cam send you the recipe of 'real pizza' ;)
[23:50:54] <Jacky^> hahaha
[23:51:12] <Jacky^> just wait some days yet
[23:51:24] <les_w> this is just frozen digiorno pizza
[23:51:37] <Jacky^> tomorrow well start to search around
[23:51:46] <les_w> I can cook
[23:52:00] <Jacky^> I want to find some good thing ;)
[23:52:05] <les_w> ok
[23:53:33] <les_w> I saw you were using Barrilla pasta
[23:53:39] <les_w> I have some too!
[23:54:16] <Jacky^> :P
[23:54:23] <Jacky^> barilla ? wow
[23:54:28] <K4ts> yes
[23:54:31] <Jacky^> from Parma :)
[23:54:31] <les_w> yes I can buy that here
[23:54:36] <Jacky^> nice
[23:54:55] <les_w> I have some barilla angel hair
[23:55:11] <K4ts> angel hair bleachhhhhh
[23:55:18] <les_w> huh? haha
[23:55:29] <Jacky^> ahh .. K4ts disagree
[23:55:33] <K4ts> farfalle
[23:56:09] <K4ts> with salmon
[23:56:31] <les_w> I had it with the codfish and scallops
[23:56:47] <K4ts> end milk cream
[23:56:51] <Jacky^> and
[23:56:54] <K4ts> and
[23:56:54] <Jacky^> hehe
[23:56:58] <les_w> lemon butter sauce with orange and paprika
[23:57:10] <les_w> I AM HUNGRY!
[23:57:12] <Jacky^> :P
[23:57:17] <K4ts> les_w: bleach
[23:57:20] <Jacky^> hahaha
[23:57:26] <les_w> hahaha
[23:57:31] <Jacky^> :D
[23:57:41] <K4ts> come here my home!
[23:57:56] <les_w> email me dinner
[23:58:25] <Jacky^> LOL
[23:58:32] <les_w> oh well...pepperoni pizza ready soon
[23:58:33] <Jymmm> les_w taqueria
[23:58:36] <Jacky^> K4ts: is looking at dictionary ..
[23:58:49] <K4ts> throw lemon butter sauce with orange and paprika
[23:59:03] <K4ts> ih ih
[23:59:14] <Jymmm> les_w taqueria taco with inions and cilantro
[23:59:14] <les_w> what should I use?
[23:59:15] <Jacky^> trash it ?
[23:59:27] <Jacky^> mexican pepper
[23:59:30] <Jacky^> hahhaaa
[23:59:39] <Jacky^> wait ..
[23:59:44] <Jacky^> K4ts: said wait
[23:59:46] <les_w> oh...I grow peppers
[23:59:56] <les_w> habanero
[23:59:58] <les_w> hot
