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[01:26:35] <[g2]> This looks like a fun group.
[01:26:57] <[g2]> Someone told me you guys might know how fast you can drive a parallel port in Linux
[01:27:42] <[g2]> We are looking to use that for an advanced JTAG interface and don't have hard data as how fast the port can be driven. THX
[01:27:58] <SWPadnos_> around 25k pulses/second is probably the max for a non-heavily-customized kernel
[01:28:33] <SWPadnos_> if you use a custom bit-banging driver (like the i2c and now SPI) you can likely get faster
[01:28:35] <[g2]> SWPadnos thx, what mode is best ?
[01:28:59] <SWPadnos_> for generating pulses manually, EPP I think
[01:29:08] <SWPadnos_> not ECP - the DMA features aren't a help
[01:29:32] <SWPadnos_> in fact, EPP may not even help -there wouldn't be any handshaking hardware on the other end
[01:29:36] <[g2]> SWPadnos we have an FPGA on the other end
[01:30:00] <[g2]> I think we'd want to drive it with DMA if we could
[01:30:19] <SWPadnos_> oh, in that case EPP or ECP would be better
[01:30:53] <[g2]> It's parallel port -> Xilinx S3 -> JTAG pins
[01:31:18] <SWPadnos_> ok - the Spartan is meant as a JTAG interface to another board? (just making sure)
[01:31:44] <[g2]> SWPadnos yeah it's gonna run TCLK at like 8MHz
[01:31:51] <SWPadnos_> ok.
[01:32:14] <SWPadnos_> I think the spec for ECP is 400kB/sec (I could be wrong though)
[01:32:18] <[g2]> our scan chain is nearly 500 bits long
[01:33:12] <[g2]> SWPadnos is that in bi-directional mode or one-way ?
[01:33:25] <SWPadnos_> one way, I think
[01:33:35] <[g2]> in 16-bit mode ?
[01:33:47] <SWPadnos_> not sure about a 16-bit mode
[01:34:08] <[g2]> Ok super. Thx for the help
[01:34:13] <SWPadnos_> sure
[01:34:39] <SWPadnos_> IEEE1284 is only 8 bits wide
[01:35:35] <SWPadnos_> the interface chip may accept single writes of 32 bits, but it still sends the data out the port in 8-bit chunks
[02:15:53] <fenn> haha looks like you came to the right channel
[02:16:07] <jtr_away> [g2]: is this for recovering badly flashed slugs?
[02:19:48] <[g2]> jtr_away nope
[02:20:08] <[g2]> jtr_away you've got to work really hard to do that
[02:20:23] <SWPadnos_> nah - just unplug the cable while it's flashing ;)
[02:20:54] <[g2]> SWPadnos that'll only trash the kernel and rootfs not Redboot
[02:21:26] <SWPadnos_> I suppose it depends on what you're flashing
[02:21:51] <[g2]> The bootloader doesn't reflash itself
[02:21:58] <SWPadnos_> if you're using a serial (or network) updater, then yes, i't's harder
[02:22:00] <SWPadnos_> right
[02:22:26] <[g2]> now you can just dd of=/dev/mtdblock0
[02:22:50] <[g2]> or you used to be able to do 6 months a year ago
[02:23:10] <[g2]> how many slug users are in here ?
[02:23:40] <SWPadnos_> oh - is a slug actually something (I thought it was a nickname for mis-flashed chips) :)
[02:23:56] <SWPadnos_> like coasters for CDROMs
[02:24:04] <jtr_away> mine is still stock - and for some reason I can't write to the drive (all of a sudden)
[02:24:15] <[g2]> it's our pet name for the Linksys NSLU2 NAS device
[02:24:39] <SWPadnos_> ah, OK. I read about those recently
[02:25:02] <[g2]> jtr_away I never did like (or use) the Linksys firmware :)
[02:25:37] <[g2]> I've built my own devices now anyway
[02:26:02] <[g2]> The "slug" I've always wanted :)
[02:26:30] <jtr_away> I got one a couple of days after reading about them running linux, backed up a few PCs to the drive, then got busy.
[02:27:09] <jtr_away> now it's on the todo list
[02:27:39] <[g2]> you know we're running Debian on it right ?
[02:28:16] <jtr_away> didn't catch that, no.
[02:28:22] <[g2]> yep.
[02:29:17] <jtr_away> cool.
[02:29:18] <[g2]> There is BE distro, but DebianSlug is switching to LE to run the standard ARM Debian
[02:29:58] <jtr_away> recent returnee to linux - BE? LE?
[02:30:04] <fenn> so.. lemme get this straight.. you guys are running debian on a networked hard disk!?
[02:30:35] <[g2]> fenn there a USB 2.0 device on there with a HD
[02:30:53] <[g2]> BE (big endian) LE (Little endian)
[02:31:48] <jtr_away> last time I thought about that was mixing assembler with fortran
[02:31:57] <[g2]> heh
[02:33:09] <SWPadnos_> right - there was a recent SlashDot discussion on large networked storage
[02:33:09] <jtr_away> touch screen interface for controlling a DACS - the original multipoint video conference
[02:33:39] <SWPadnos_> this was one of the options that people liked (unless they had the misfortune of running the LinkSys firmware ;) )
[02:34:33] <SWPadnos_> if only one could store 6GB / second with it :(
[02:36:20] <[g2]> I can do 2+ GB a minute through my AMD64 file server
[02:36:38] <SWPadnos_> that's only 180x too slow ;)
[02:36:53] <SWPadnos_> I shouldn't need that much at first, but I'd love to find something that can do it
[02:37:17] <SWPadnos_> 2G/min isn't bad - what disks are you using?
[02:37:17] <[g2]> 6GB / second ?
[02:37:24] <SWPadnos_> yep
[02:37:24] <jtr_away> * jtr_away wonders how swp is generating that much data
[02:37:27] <[g2]> that's a single disk
[02:37:42] <[g2]> If I striped I could to 3+
[02:37:42] <SWPadnos_> 60x 5MP digital cameras, each can output 100MPixels/sec
[02:37:54] <SWPadnos_> actually, it's 9G, since the data is 12-bit
[02:38:34] <[g2]> does the 60x count the burst mode of 6-9 a second ?
[02:38:47] <SWPadnos_> at first, it'll just be 7.5M x 60, stored as fast as possible
[02:39:02] <SWPadnos_> 60 cameras, each running at whatever rate I can get them to run
[02:39:12] <SWPadnos_> (these are custom cameras I'm designing)
[02:39:30] <jtr_away> astronomy?
[02:39:39] <SWPadnos_> no - entertainment
[02:39:49] <SWPadnos_> think "The Matrix"
[02:41:08] <[g2]> SWPadnos I'd think you could to that with an FPGA, and HDs
[02:41:13] <[g2]> and a little power
[02:41:33] <[g2]> basically, my SATA HD can drive nearly 60MBs
[02:41:46] <[g2]> so it could handle 5 cameras with some spare
[02:42:09] <[g2]> so a dozen setups gets you 60 camera
[02:42:51] <SWPadnos_> I need to be able to output video from one computer, so all the data has to go to one place
[02:42:55] <[g2]> then an ethernet spec that allows timing to be sync to microseconds or nano seconds
[02:43:18] <SWPadnos_> I've been looking into GigE (or 10Ge) and infiniband for the transport
[02:43:42] <[g2]> SWPadnos that's fine, put simple GigE on the back end and you can stream it out to be aggregated
[02:44:26] <SWPadnos_> GigE on each camera will almost allow the full pixel rate
[02:44:44] <[g2]> that's not your problem
[02:44:53] <[g2]> the problem is getting to/from disk
[02:45:08] <SWPadnos_> I'm still waiting on my customer to get me real specs anyway (what a PITA that is)
[02:45:43] <[g2]> do you have devices for the steaming and storage ?
[02:45:48] <SWPadnos_> true. though I may only need to save a smaller region of interest from each frame, so the stored data may be significantly less than the captured data
[02:46:00] <SWPadnos_> not yet. any sugestions?
[02:46:09] <SWPadnos_> +g
[02:46:40] <[g2]> when would you need the devices to be ready ?
[02:47:52] <SWPadnos_> I think the project calls for a 6-month design cycle
[02:48:00] <SWPadnos_> that may be pushing it a bit though
[02:48:36] <SWPadnos_> I also need to find out what final output format is needed (both the physical media and the data format)
[02:50:01] <[g2]> SWPadnos what's the probability of this project happening ?
[02:50:33] <SWPadnos_> 99.7% or so ;)
[02:50:47] <SWPadnos_> I'm just missing the parameters, that's all
[02:51:30] <[g2]> I've been thinking about building a Gigabit NAS boxes
[02:51:39] <SWPadnos_> that would be cool.
[02:51:51] <[g2]> this would be a slight variation on that
[02:51:56] <SWPadnos_> I'm definitely interested in using the technology I develop for this in other areas
[02:52:32] <SWPadnos_> (which means, if we can develop something, I'm happy to have us produce and market it)
[02:52:45] <SWPadnos_> if you do it, and I buy the products, of course it's your deal :)
[02:53:14] <[g2]> I was thinking the latter, but I'd imagine the former might work for the entertainment industry
[02:53:53] <SWPadnos_> well - we should talk about it offline. where can I contact you?
[02:54:04] <SWPadnos_> if you give me an email, I can send you contact info
[03:22:32] <jtr_away> night all
[03:22:38] <SWPadnos> see ya
[04:23:27] <Jymm> Jymm is now known as Jymmm
[04:45:33] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[06:08:14] <fenn_> fenn_ is now known as fenn
[08:03:30] <anonimasu> hm
[08:06:29] <anonimasu> morning
[08:15:05] <Jacky^> morning
[08:16:22] <anonimasu> morning
[08:16:38] <Jacky^> hi anonimasu :)
[08:19:23] <Jacky^> anonimasu: working ?
[08:19:31] <anonimasu> I am buying yeah
[09:06:37] <anonimasu> looking for a new laptop
[09:06:42] <anonimasu> and a pcmcia paralell port card
[09:09:54] <anonimasu> :)
[09:10:00] <anonimasu> but I found the card
[09:18:43] <Jacky^> nice
[09:37:21] <anonimasu> :)
[09:37:26] <anonimasu> so now it's laptop order time
[09:51:00] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, are you the student? or was that aj?
[09:52:09] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: no idea..
[09:52:18] <anonimasu> I am not a student though
[09:52:19] <anonimasu> :D
[10:39:22] <A-L-P-H-A> k
[10:39:23] <A-L-P-H-A> :)
[11:47:23] <alex_joni> morning all
[12:45:26] <[g2]> anonimasu do you have a url for the pcmcia parallel card ?
[12:46:59] <anonimasu> http://www.quatech.com/
[12:47:58] <anonimasu> they'd allow me to return the card if it didnt work for me also
[12:56:12] <[g2]> thx
[12:57:24] <anonimasu> ;)
[13:06:26] <jepler> anonimasu: can't find laptops with parallel anymore?
[13:06:43] <anonimasu> jepler: oh, yeah byt they were heavy..
[13:06:59] <anonimasu> the one I got is < 2kg
[13:07:29] <jepler> yeah, I bet both of the laptops I have are >2kg
[13:07:40] <anonimasu> the normal one i have are about 4kg
[13:07:44] <jepler> they have parallel though
[13:07:47] <anonimasu> but it's a p4 inside ;)
[13:07:59] <jepler> "desktop replacement"?
[13:08:01] <anonimasu> yeah
[13:08:13] <anonimasu> radeon 9800 and stuff ;)
[13:08:48] <jepler> I know where to buy a desktop machine
[13:08:53] <jepler> thank you very much
[13:09:00] <anonimasu> heh..
[13:09:19] <anonimasu> I dont really care as I dont move too much mostly to lan parties sometimes..
[13:09:40] <anonimasu> but for work, I need to carry it around..
[13:10:55] <anonimasu> jepler: thank you.
[14:48:20] <jepler> does anybody have the url that cncuser gave about remastering his puppy cdrom?
[15:10:28] <rayh> Wiki someplace
[15:13:12] <rayh_> http://emc.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Emc_Puppy
[15:14:18] <rayh_> http://emc.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?CncUser
[15:14:40] <rayh_> First is Matt Shaver's stuff second is cncuser's.
[15:15:17] <cradek> cool
[15:16:47] <Jacky^> hi guys
[15:16:56] <Jacky^> going to walk a bit :P
[15:16:58] <Jacky^> later
[15:17:39] <rayh> I should call Matt and see if he has gotten the last two steps figured out.
[15:18:02] <rayh> Just got a usb stick and want to try booting from it.
[15:18:57] <cradek> wow, does that really work on modern computers now?
[15:20:09] <rayh> That is the question I want to answer for myself.
[15:20:25] <cradek> let us know!
[15:21:03] <rayh> Nope. That's not GPL info.<grin>
[15:21:47] <rayh> There's one of those self help books out.
[15:22:01] <rayh> something about stop walking on egg shells.
[15:23:09] <rayh> we "US'ers" have a saying "stop pussy footing around."
[15:23:39] <rayh> i think direct questions and direct answers work the best.
[15:23:55] <rayh> so as soon as I find out if I can boot from usb, I'll let everyone know.
[15:25:27] <rayh> I've got a full puppy iso. I should try that now.
[15:25:40] <rayh> be back later.
[15:35:10] <cradek> ?
[15:35:15] <cradek> does anyone know what he was talking about?
[15:35:24] <alex_joni> about what?
[15:36:11] <cradek> direct questions etc
[15:36:27] <jepler> this is exactly the thing I was looking for:
http://cooltool.he.fdread.org/cncforum/mastering/coolcnc-mastering-howto.txt
[15:36:53] <jepler> it's a script to remaster coolcnc, and it shows that he simply downloads the newest CVS source and builds it
[15:37:29] <cradek> slick
[15:37:46] <cradek> there are the ADEOS settings etc
[15:39:00] <cradek> # for the pretty 3d look axis depends on opengl
[15:39:06] <cradek> and he thinks our software is ... pretty
[15:40:07] <cradek> bookmarked!
[15:41:06] <alex_joni> jepler: the emc_1.0-38 sources seem to be on my mirror
[15:44:12] <jepler> alex_joni: are there any axis sources yet?
[15:44:30] <jepler> emc 1.0-38 source was on neutron too
[15:45:24] <jepler> and emc 1.0-38 is still incomplete/unbuildable afaik
[15:45:56] <alex_joni> jepler:
http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/emc/debian/pool/extras/a/axis/axis-20051221.tar.bz2
[15:47:38] <alex_joni> jepler: it won't build the debian way, but I think it might build if you do it the normal way
[15:47:48] <alex_joni> cd src && ./configure && make
[15:48:25] <cradek> alex_joni: isn't that just our own tarball?
[15:48:33] <jepler> alex_joni: that may be true but it still doesn't fulfill the GPL requirements
[15:49:20] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[15:49:27] <jepler> "plus the scripts used to cotrol compilation and installation of the executable" -- enough to rebuild the .deb package
[15:49:42] <SWPadnos> is there an axis .deb?
[15:49:56] <jepler> SWPadnos: yes, paul_c distributes one on bdi up to 4.38.
[15:50:33] <cradek> yeah, diff says that's just our tarball, with none of the bdi changes
[15:51:46] <SWPadnos> axis isn't listed in the package list. are you sure it's distributed as a .deb?
[15:52:08] <SWPadnos> ah - I found it
[15:52:17] <jepler> /mnt/tmp/pool/contrib/a/axis/python2.3-axis_1.1+cvs.20051221_i386.deb
[15:52:22] <SWPadnos> it's marked as "earmarked for deletion from BDI-4.40
[15:52:37] <cradek> ii python2.3-axis 1.0+cvs.20050925 AXIS front-end for emc
[15:52:38] <SWPadnos> http://ourproject.org/moin/Package_list
[15:52:45] <cradek> this is the version on bdi4.30
[15:53:04] <SWPadnos> its 1.1+cvs.20051221 on 4.38
[15:53:05] <cradek> yeah, apparently he's removing it after jeff's request that he comply with the license
[15:53:07] <jepler> SWPadnos: yeah, I saw that. I assume that's his way of getting back at me for asking him to comply with the license
[15:53:14] <SWPadnos> presumably
[15:53:16] <jepler> or else an admission that he does not comply with the GPL
[15:53:42] <cradek> his loss
[15:53:45] <SWPadnos> more likely that he doesn't give a shit if he has axis or not
[15:53:53] <jepler> is there a way to build a .deb that doesn't require the debian/ directory, and I'm just unaware of it?
[15:54:04] <cradek> not that I know of...
[15:54:27] <cradek> SWPadnos: he must have gone to some work to package it... that's usually not as easy as it first seems
[15:55:01] <SWPadnos> I agree - I think he did do a lot of work, but that he's pissed off now, and doesn't think it's worth it to keep axis
[15:58:02] <SWPadnos> ooh - I'm world famous on the Geckodrive list
[15:58:24] <cradek> good kind of world famous or bad kind?
[15:58:38] <SWPadnos> good, but possibly embarrassing
[15:59:05] <SWPadnos> I wrote software to download command sets to the G-Rex, and Mariss has oublished it for all to see
[15:59:17] <SWPadnos> so it's good, but I don't really like the software much, so it's bad too
[15:59:39] <SWPadnos> (quick hack != user-ready application)
[16:00:44] <jepler> this is weird. my vncviewer works fine to type into most apps (e.g., terminal, browser) but in qemu it is completely fubar
[16:00:53] <jepler> qemu running inside vnc
[16:01:21] <jepler> e.g., tab types "1", return types " " (at the puppy boot prompt)
[16:01:50] <SWPadnos> I wonder if it's some odd keyamp thing
[16:02:01] <jepler> I've seen similar problems with vnc -> rdesktop
[16:02:10] <jepler> I still haven't understood why
[16:07:17] <bill-xm> anyone done a cnc conversion to the HF micro-mill?
[16:07:27] <bill-xm> (not the mini, the micro)
[16:07:50] <SWPadnos> not me
[16:08:10] <bill-xm> I'm thinking of getting one, there's a coupon to bring it down to really really cheap.
[16:10:16] <SWPadnos> I wouldn't know where to get motors that small ;)
[16:13:31] <bill-xm> heh.
[16:13:55] <bill-xm> I guess you'd have to use pulleys to make the mounts fit.
[16:14:10] <cradek> is there a picture of this machine online?
[16:14:21] <SWPadnos> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47158
[16:14:26] <bill-xm> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47158
[16:14:29] <bill-xm> yes, that.
[16:15:03] <cradek> cute
[16:15:11] <cradek> not much Y travel
[16:15:21] <SWPadnos> I looked at the Homier version of this, and I couldn't bring myself to pay for it - it was too flimsy
[16:15:35] <bill-xm> what'd you get instead?
[16:16:21] <SWPadnos> a used Bridgeport ;)
[16:16:32] <cradek> ha
[16:16:33] <SWPadnos> slightly different size
[16:16:39] <alex_joni> heh
[16:17:39] <bill-xm> heh, a tiny bit bigger huh
[16:17:44] <SWPadnos> yep
[16:18:04] <SWPadnos> I was looking at the minimill size though, so it's only 2.5x the weight
[16:18:36] <SWPadnos> my main interest was in milling copper, so the machine has to be pretty stiff
[16:31:11] <bill-xm> hmm, ~$135 difference between the 'mini' and 'micro'
[16:47:59] <Jymmm> Morning Folks!
[16:48:09] <SWPadnos> tell it to the judge
[16:48:21] <bill-xm> hihi
[16:48:25] <SWPadnos> I mean - Hi Jymmm
[16:49:02] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: YOu're getting to be worse than me ! =)
[16:49:06] <SWPadnos> heh
[16:49:14] <SWPadnos> at least I've got an extra 3 hours on you :)
[16:49:49] <Jymmm> or 3 hours wasted, depending on how you look at it
[16:49:58] <SWPadnos> an extra 3 hours wasted
[16:50:07] <Jymmm> there ya go
[16:51:02] <Jymmm> so any further thoughts in the safe spindle control?
[16:51:18] <SWPadnos> nope
[16:51:33] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: YOU'VE HAD THREE EXTRA HOURS?! lol
[16:51:37] <Jymmm> wth
[16:51:50] <SWPadnos> but I'm only just drinking my first cup of coffee, so there
[16:52:23] <Jymmm> I'm gonna let you slide, cause I could take that to a whole other level
[16:52:34] <SWPadnos> ok by me
[16:52:46] <Jymmm> ok.....
[16:53:18] <SWPadnos> anyway - I thought we had decided that the charge pump idea was enough for you, since you're not trying to prevent the software from turning the spindle on
[16:53:39] <SWPadnos> only trying to prevent it from coming on if the software isn't running yet (ie, at bootup)
[16:53:55] <Jymmm> So it took your ass three hours to get to the coffee pot, do we need to get you one of those scooters- hoverround, things or just one of those pendants for the next time you have to say "I've fallen and I can't get up!" ?
[16:54:09] <SWPadnos> I need an elevator
[16:54:33] <SWPadnos> if you provide me with an antigravity flying harness, I'll be more productive
[16:54:43] <Jymmm> you dont need no damn elevator... an electric winch from Harbor Freight
[16:55:47] <SWPadnos> oooooohhh - electricity
[16:56:20] <Jymmm> but you have to pedle the bicycle to power it
[16:56:34] <SWPadnos> nah - I'll get my wife to do that - she likes exercise
[16:57:08] <SWPadnos> (note that I said "likes", not "needs")
[16:57:19] <SWPadnos> just for the record
[16:57:48] <Jymmm> prove it
[16:58:08] <SWPadnos> it's been proved
[17:00:38] <Jymmm> you ever see that 50yo grandma for the bowflex commercial?
[17:02:12] <SWPadnos> not that I recall
[17:02:35] <Jymmm> hold on
[17:03:35] <SWPadnos> oh wait a second - she's in blue exercise gear?
[17:03:47] <Jymmm> http://www.fitgrandmother.com/
[17:04:14] <SWPadnos> ok - yes, I've seen her
[17:04:48] <Jymmm> so, no you havent proved it
[17:05:13] <Jymmm> "for the record"
[17:05:27] <SWPadnos> I never said my wife was 50+
[17:05:32] <SWPadnos> and that's not her
[17:05:35] <SWPadnos> so nyah
[17:05:50] <SWPadnos> but 10 years from now, I may wish it was ;)
[17:05:55] <SWPadnos> were
[17:06:11] <Jymmm> lol
[17:06:15] <Jymmm> we all do
[17:06:34] <SWPadnos> "when I'm 64"
[17:07:24] <SWPadnos> it always muses me that people byt exercise equipment
[17:07:27] <SWPadnos> buy
[17:07:31] <SWPadnos> amuses
[17:07:35] <SWPadnos> argh - need more coffee
[17:08:12] <SWPadnos> but then they go out and get cars with remote controlled doors, leaf blowers, and the like
[17:10:53] <rayh> Yup. Puppy will install on and boot from USB stick.
[17:11:00] <SWPadnos_> cool
[17:11:34] <SWPadnos_> of only we had a driver for the deskCNC board, I could show off at my friend's house ;)
[17:11:38] <SWPadnos_> s/of/if/
[17:12:14] <rayh> There was a problem with the sk98lin ethernet driver with it so no net.
[17:12:21] <rayh> on this box.
[17:12:36] <SWPadnos_> that's a gigabit nic (or is it wireless)?
[17:12:59] <rayh> nic
[17:13:09] <SWPadnos_> ok
[17:13:38] <SWPadnos_> there's been some discussion on LKML recently about the skXXX drivers
[17:14:11] <rayh> The one on BDI works fine. (Hi Paul)
[17:17:37] <Jymmm> deskCNC isn't a driver, is it?
[17:18:06] <SWPadnos_> deskCNC is a software package, and a small microcontroller-based pulse generating board
[17:18:12] <SWPadnos_> it communicates over a serial port
[17:18:45] <Jymmm> I'm on the website now, but you still need geckos (or whatever), correct?
[17:18:52] <SWPadnos_> yes
[17:19:06] <SWPadnos_> it's not a driver, just an I/O / pulse controller
[17:19:43] <Jymmm> When would you want to use this (serial) over parallel?
[17:19:59] <SWPadnos_> I wouldn't, since the software runs only on Windows
[17:19:59] <jepler> is there documentation on the serial protocol?
[17:20:06] <SWPadnos_> not that I know of
[17:20:17] <SWPadnos_> I have an older board, so I could reverse engineer it if necessary
[17:20:29] <SWPadnos_> but I don't think it's necessary :)
[17:20:47] <jepler> Jymmm: putting a lot of smarts on an external board means you can get away with no realtime code on the PC much more easily
[17:20:47] <Jymmm> YOu need a software driver for it?
[17:20:55] <SWPadnos_> you need their software for it
[17:21:01] <Jymmm> oh, ug
[17:21:20] <Jymmm> jepler: That I understand, I thought it was a PURE HW-ONLY device.
[17:22:04] <Jymmm> Kinda like TelnetIRC =)
[17:24:37] <bill-xm> so I think I'm gonna get that micro-mill. also a vise and an endmill holder, are there any other "must have" accessories?
[17:25:00] <Jymmm> bill-xm Tequilia
[17:25:07] <bill-xm> check!
[17:25:18] <Jymmm> url?
[17:25:24] <SWPadnos_> harbor freight micro-mill
[17:25:27] <bill-xm> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47158
[17:25:34] <bill-xm> cheap, but so am I.
[17:25:36] <SWPadnos_> heh
[17:25:50] <bill-xm> there's a %20 coupon too.
[17:25:51] <SWPadnos_> that thing costs as much as my motors (only because I got a really good deal on them)
[17:26:17] <Jymmm> maybe a clamp kit?
[17:26:18] <SWPadnos_> otherwise, each motor would have been 3x the price of the mill :)
[17:26:32] <SWPadnos_> what kind of stuff do you expect to machine?
[17:26:33] <bill-xm> oh yeah Jymmm, good idea
[17:26:41] <jepler> If I thought it would mill PCBs OK I'd probably buy one too
[17:26:58] <bill-xm> tiny stuff for model stirling engines and such, and maybe some engraving.
[17:26:59] <SWPadnos_> PCBs actaully need some of the tightest tolerances
[17:27:12] <bill-xm> I dont even have a drill-press now, so I need it to drill straight holes too.
[17:27:18] <SWPadnos_> you may be OK. unless you want to mill Inconel
[17:27:26] <bill-xm> "inconel"?
[17:27:40] <SWPadnos_> very hard metal, often used in building small steam engines
[17:27:48] <jepler> we usually do 10/10 on cradek's maxnc, which it does without trouble
[17:27:53] <bill-xm> there's a cnc-conversion yahoogroup for that mill, and people have had good results.
[17:28:07] <Jymmm> inconel == Nickle Chromium alloy
[17:28:08] <bill-xm> I'm using soft stuff, brass & aluminum
[17:28:18] <cradek> jepler: only after lots of work to get zero backlash
[17:28:27] <jepler> cradek: yeah, luckily for me you did all that work
[17:28:28] <SWPadnos_> luckily, the work envelope is small, so you can keep relatively good tolerances
[17:28:45] <bill-xm> yeah, I dont expect to do any parts bigger than 2-3 inches across.
[17:28:46] <SWPadnos_> you'll probably need to replace the leadscrews if you want really good accuracy
[17:29:04] <bill-xm> yeah, if I cnc it later I'll upgrade some parts.
[17:29:11] <cradek> 1/4-16 acmes are cheap
[17:29:13] <SWPadnos_> s/some/most/ :)
[17:29:19] <bill-xm> but that'd be a ways off, since I'm just a newbie.
[17:30:00] <SWPadnos_> note that the spindle power is 1/5 HP - that's significantly less than a cheap Sears drill press
[17:30:08] <SWPadnos_> it'll limit the metal removal rates
[17:30:08] <Jymmm> Cheap thompson ballscrews
http://www.lowcostcncretrofits.com/Ballscrews%20and%20transmision.html
[17:31:53] <Jymmm> bill-xm you are aware that HF stuff is really loose tolerances/crap?
[17:32:02] <SWPadnos_> heh
[17:32:34] <bill-xm> yeah, I know.
[17:32:39] <bill-xm> I have one of thier mini-lathes
[17:32:43] <Jymmm> bill-xm ok, cool.
[17:33:03] <Jymmm> I bought a trim router, turned it on and the outter case started melting.
[17:33:14] <Jymmm> I bought an angle grinder and it works awesome
[17:34:28] <bill-xm> with my hobbiest-sized budget it's pretty much that or nothing, so I'll make do.
[17:35:21] <Jymmm> bill-xm That's cool, just wanted to make sure you're aware of that is all.
[17:35:37] <bill-xm> yeah, I know it's pretty much bottom of the barrel stuff.
[17:36:07] <Jymmm> =)
[17:36:13] <bill-xm> mostly I just want to get in cheap, I have a tendancy to pick up new hobbies and then get bored with something. so If i'm still interested in 2 years I'll get something better.
[17:37:57] <Jymmm> lol, fair enough
[17:40:04] <Jymmm> bill-xm do you live near a HF store by chance?
[17:41:16] <Jymmm> harborfreightusa.com
[17:41:23] <bill-xm> yeah, a few miles from here.
[17:41:28] <bill-xm> I was going to go at lunch.
[17:41:36] <Jymmm> is the retail website, a seperate entity from the online stuff
[17:41:48] <Jymmm> they are two different companys
[17:41:49] <bill-xm> they have different sales, but they're the same company
[17:42:01] <Jymmm> legally they are sperate
[17:42:18] <bill-xm> usuallly the retail stores will honor online prices if you bring in a printout.
[17:42:22] <bill-xm> at least my local store will
[19:07:00] <CIA-14> 03swpadnos * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/halcmd.c: Added "%\n" prompt to script mode. Added fflush for piped use. Made "name" equivalent to "show all name", to improve script/piped use.
[19:20:43] <CIA-14> 03swpadnos * 10emc2/docs/man/man1/halcmd.1:
[21:30:41] <bill-xm> I am plus one micro-mill.
[21:30:59] <SWPadnos> funny
[21:31:44] <SWPadnos> when I think of mills, I think of the pain in the ass of transporting a ton of metal 350 miles, then the even worse part of getting it in the garage without heavy equipment
[21:32:11] <SWPadnos> not "I think I'll go to the store and pick up a mill" ;)
[21:32:17] <bill-xm> yeah, thats the "micro" part.
[21:32:21] <SWPadnos> right
[21:32:33] <SWPadnos> makes it about the same weight as my rotary table :)
[21:32:57] <SWPadnos> hey - wait. a 7-axis machine. hmmm.... :)
[21:33:41] <bill-xm> are you a machinist by profession?
[21:33:44] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: the most I ever played with is 18 ;)
[21:33:51] <SWPadnos> nope - programmer / electrical engineer
[21:33:57] <SWPadnos> ooooo - cool
[21:55:01] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: synchronized even
[21:55:21] <SWPadnos> that's like, emc^2
[21:55:39] <alex_joni> well.. it was a big welding system
[21:55:49] <Jacky^> hello
[21:55:51] <alex_joni> a few hundred k's
[22:07:15] <les_w> hrllo all
[22:07:22] <les_w> hello
[22:07:26] <les_w> bleh
[22:07:31] <Jacky^> hehe
[22:07:35] <Jacky^> hi les_w :D
[22:08:16] <les_w> I may try your limoni stuff in the bottle
[22:08:30] <k4ts> hello
[22:08:34] <les_w> it is liqeur....not after shave right?
[22:08:41] <les_w> hi anna!!
[22:08:42] <Jacky^> hahaha
[22:08:46] <Jacky^> nah
[22:08:54] <Jacky^> its lemon liquer
[22:09:07] <les_w> It looks like after shave
[22:09:18] <les_w> oh well I will drink it anyway
[22:09:18] <k4ts> ih ih
[22:09:28] <Jacky^> sure :)
[22:09:34] <Jacky^> I think its sweet
[22:09:42] <Jacky^> lemon + sugar
[22:10:23] <Jacky^> It used a lot here around
[22:10:32] <alex_joni> limoncello?
[22:10:39] <Jacky^> yeah :)
[22:10:42] <les_w> I was very happy to get the package
[22:10:45] <alex_joni> that's good
[22:10:46] <les_w> I read the book
[22:10:48] <alex_joni> les_w: try it
[22:10:50] <Jacky^> nice
[22:11:05] <k4ts> yes alex_joni
[22:11:08] <Jacky^> les_w: seen how Pomepi was before the eruption ?
[22:11:19] <Jacky^> Pompei*
[22:11:21] <les_w> so now I know about capri,ischia, and procida
[22:11:27] <Jacky^> hehe
[22:11:28] <les_w> yes I liked that
[22:11:31] <Jacky^> good
[22:11:34] <alex_joni> capri is great, I loved it
[22:11:41] <alex_joni> especially Ana Capri
[22:11:43] <Jacky^> youre ready to came here now :P
[22:11:53] <les_w> yeah.
[22:12:19] <les_w> welll I was in southern france/ monte carlo working
[22:12:23] <Jacky^> Id like to send a bigger bottle of Limoncello ..
[22:12:29] <les_w> I liked it
[22:12:38] <les_w> napoli looks even better
[22:12:41] <Jacky^> but I wasnt know about customs .. if its permitted :/
[22:12:42] <alex_joni> that's the way we should all live ;) just like Axel Munthe
[22:12:51] <les_w> I would like to live there part of the year
[22:13:00] <alex_joni> Jacky^: let him get addicted first :D
[22:13:08] <Jacky^> hehe :
[22:13:14] <les_w> when the box came the seals were unbroken
[22:13:36] <Jacky^> good
[22:13:59] <alex_joni> was the flea still inside?
[22:14:08] <k4ts> les_w: you like Pulcinella?
[22:14:16] <les_w> haha
[22:14:32] <les_w> what is pulcinella?
[22:14:50] <Jacky^> its like a simbol here
[22:15:04] <Jacky^> wait .. k4ts is googling
[22:15:11] <les_w> I like my can of aria di napoli
[22:17:04] <Jacky^> les_w:
http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/pompei/index.html
[22:17:21] <Jacky^> if you look at the book and to thse photos ..
[22:17:43] <Jacky^> you can understand how Pompei is suggestive
[22:17:52] <Jacky^> how it was before..
[22:18:02] <Jacky^> it like to walk on the moon there
[22:18:15] <les_w> yes...some of the frescos and other art survived
[22:18:19] <Jacky^> :-)
[22:18:31] <les_w> originally very bright colors
[22:20:16] <Jacky^> many peoples there has been surprised by the eruption during they was doing sex ..
[22:20:45] <alex_joni> les_w: italians..
[22:20:49] <les_w> ha
[22:20:59] <alex_joni> big mountain coming over you.. and what are they doing? typical
[22:21:25] <Jacky^> wonder how fast they have been surprised
[22:21:37] <Jacky^> no time to change position
[22:21:39] <Jacky^> lol
[22:21:42] <les_w> Well I sure like the area...at least the parts I have been
[22:21:49] <alex_joni> Jacky^: sure they were like: darn, I need to finish this first
[22:21:55] <Jacky^> hahaha
[22:21:57] <Jacky^> :D
[22:22:10] <k4ts> les_w: ih ih
[22:22:14] <alex_joni> les_w: I wouldn't mind a view like this:
http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/poze/italia/IM007656.JPG
[22:22:16] <les_w> I once looked at a 2000 yo roman villa for rent ...about the same price as a house here
[22:22:49] <Jacky^> cool
[22:22:53] <les_w> not bad alex
[22:23:08] <alex_joni> les_w: that's in capri
[22:23:44] <alex_joni> Jacky^: but I need to say your blue grotto sux :)
[22:24:02] <Jacky^> http://www.virtualpompei.it/english/homepagee.htm
[22:24:04] <Jacky^> :)
[22:24:04] <les_w> I do need to go to europe sonn. I like it.
[22:24:14] <les_w> the food is so much better
[22:24:17] <Jacky^> les_w: I agree :)
[22:24:35] <Jacky^> next holidays, came on :D
[22:25:11] <les_w> I f I keep making money....
[22:25:23] <k4ts> les_w: I will came in georgia
[22:25:37] <alex_joni> les_w:
http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/poze/italia/page_03.htm
[22:25:37] <les_w> ok!
[22:25:50] <les_w> several from europe have visited
[22:25:58] <les_w> paul comes each spring
[22:26:02] <k4ts> with Jacky^
[22:26:07] <les_w> haha
[22:26:16] <les_w> yes that would be great
[22:26:30] <Jacky^> alex_joni: cool photos
[22:26:37] <les_w> I have a very nice guest room!
[22:26:45] <Jacky^> this evening k4ts was looking for a new camera to buy
[22:27:04] <alex_joni> ok guys, I'm off back to sleep
[22:27:10] <Jacky^> alex_joni: whats the latest camera you bought ?
[22:27:17] <Jacky^> was digital camera ?
[22:27:25] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/photography
[22:27:38] <les_w> I bought a fuji
[22:27:45] <les_w> use itfor web stuff
[22:27:59] <k4ts> jacky is my translator
[22:28:07] <Jacky^> we seen a Canon 5.1 mp this evening
[22:28:15] <les_w> nice
[22:28:17] <Jacky^> about E . 340
[22:28:18] <alex_joni> the pixel count is not important
[22:28:18] <les_w> expensive
[22:28:24] <alex_joni> yup, expensive
[22:28:34] <Jacky^> or a sony ..
[22:28:37] <alex_joni> Jacky^: make sure it's got good optics..
[22:28:41] <Jacky^> 7.1 mp cybershot
[22:28:47] <Jacky^> very small camera
[22:29:03] <alex_joni> it can be 27MP for what I care, and it can still not be good
[22:29:05] <les_w> Yeah, I think the pixel count is a lot better tyhan the lenses can do on many cameras.
[22:29:21] <les_w> they are lens limited
[22:29:25] <alex_joni> right
[22:29:35] <Lucio65> hi all
[22:29:38] <alex_joni> all the average consumer cameras have mostly bad lenses
[22:29:41] <alex_joni> hi Lucio65
[22:29:41] <Jacky^> hi Lucio65 :)
[22:29:50] <les_w> ccd chips may geat inexpensive, but a quality lens will not
[22:29:55] <alex_joni> Jacky^: quite a few have Zeiss lenses..
[22:30:09] <Lucio65> :-) Jacky^ and alex_joni
[22:30:11] <k4ts> heila lucio
[22:30:11] <Jacky^> the mine use Zeiss, its a sony
[22:30:24] <les_w> I have a zeiss microscope
[22:30:31] <Jacky^> k4ts: was using a 'normal' camera Minolta
[22:30:37] <alex_joni> look out for those, get a good zoom range (for personal use ok), and see that it's a fast lens (small F number)
[22:30:44] <Jacky^> she got a very nice photos with that
[22:31:07] <les_w> yeah my fuji has 6:1 mechanical zoom
[22:31:34] <alex_joni> les_w: I loved my HP850 (8x optical zoom)
[22:31:50] <les_w> I have 64 meg memory sticks for it
[22:31:56] <alex_joni> although my current 300mm lens is better :D
[22:32:06] <les_w> yeah
[22:32:12] <k4ts> i have glasses Zeiss
[22:32:17] <Jacky^> les_w: CF or SD card ?
[22:32:18] <k4ts> sigh
[22:32:29] <les_w> zeiss glasses?
[22:32:34] <les_w> wow
[22:32:36] <k4ts> yes
[22:32:42] <k4ts> ah ah
[22:32:45] <les_w> haha
[22:33:18] <alex_joni> ok guys, I'm off
[22:33:29] <alex_joni> Lucio65: any specific questions, or just hanging around?
[22:33:48] <Lucio65> i have a old camera
[22:33:51] <k4ts> alex_joni: lucio my friends
[22:34:00] <alex_joni> ahh.. ok, thought #emc related :P
[22:34:02] <Jacky^> our
[22:34:02] <Lucio65> but ...no ...ahahah glass !
[22:34:04] <Jacky^> :)
[22:34:04] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bet
[22:34:14] <les_w> hi lucio
[22:34:15] <Jacky^> G nite alex_joni :)
[22:34:15] <k4ts> e friends of Jacky^
[22:34:16] <Lucio65> old nikon fe
[22:34:19] <alex_joni> night all
[22:34:33] <k4ts> night
[22:34:36] <k4ts> alex_joni:
[22:35:31] <Lucio65> gn alex
[22:39:23] <les_w> I will go to the music room...I installed the new speaker drivers and amplifiers...the sound is good
[22:40:11] <Jacky^> les_w: wow
[22:40:27] <Jacky^> got any pics ?
[22:40:42] <les_w> I will take some
[22:40:48] <Jacky^> :P
[22:41:07] <les_w> I bought a whole carton of seas drivers from norway
[22:41:10] <les_w> 24
[22:42:14] <k4ts> les_w: now I can sing in your room!
[22:42:23] <Jacky^> haha
[22:42:47] <les_w> to set up the equalization and gain I used mostly diana krall music
[22:42:58] <les_w> she sounds like you k4ts
[22:43:05] <Jacky^> les_w: ask to you son if his band is looking for a singer :P
[22:43:16] <k4ts> woww
[22:43:26] <k4ts> I came
[22:43:29] <les_w> ha...they play headbanger stuff
[22:43:30] <k4ts> ih ih
[22:43:38] <Jacky^> :)
[22:43:56] <les_w> I played guitar in rock band too...long ago
[22:44:05] <les_w> noew my son does
[22:44:25] <les_w> but he is now getting back to college
[22:44:28] <k4ts> les I love music of Diana krall
[22:44:36] <les_w> me too
[22:44:44] <les_w> you sond like her!
[22:44:46] <les_w> sound
[22:44:49] <k4ts> yes
[22:44:52] <Jacky^> hehe, k4ts tried to paly a drums some year ago
[22:45:17] <Jacky^> of course, she failed
[22:45:20] <Jacky^> :D
[22:45:33] <les_w> k4ts should just sing...her voice is good.
[22:45:34] <Jacky^> but she sing very well :)
[22:45:44] <chris> hi, im back from holidays
[22:45:47] <les_w> Hard to sing while playng drums!
[22:45:49] <Jacky^> hi chris
[22:46:05] <Jacky^> les_w: Phil collins do that :>
[22:46:08] <les_w> hello chris
[22:46:16] <les_w> yes phil could
[22:46:20] <k4ts> my hi chris
[22:46:55] <chris> cradek did you write the axis program
[22:47:04] <k4ts> hi cris
[22:49:44] <chris> stupid work, stupid archiving, stupid tapes :(
[22:51:04] <rayh> eh?
[22:51:42] <rayh> logger_aj: bookmark
[22:51:42] <rayh> See
http://solaris.cs.utt.ro/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-01-19#T22-51-42
[22:52:55] <les_w> Hi ray. I guess lake henry is frozen solid. Nice here....expect 65-70f tommorow
[22:53:18] <les_w> snowed a couple days ago though.
[22:53:29] <rayh> Quite a few oout on the water fishing now.
[22:53:56] <rayh> Might get to 20 tomorrow.
[22:54:00] <les_w> I grew up on the water in florida.
[22:54:37] <les_w> I like to fish
[22:54:54] <Jymmm> les_w <--- has webbed toes
[22:54:59] <les_w> haha
[22:55:23] <rayh> need spikes for this water
[22:55:32] <Jacky^> les_w:
http://digilander.libero.it/jackydgl0/mov00717.mpg
[22:55:38] <k4ts> hi rayh
[22:55:46] <Jacky^> take a look at the great cnc
[22:55:48] <rayh> How you doing.
[22:55:50] <Jacky^> hi rayh :)
[22:55:52] <les_w> lake michigan got a lot nicer looking...I guess it was the zebra mussels filtering the water. Very clear and clean
[22:56:15] <Jacky^> rayh: good, got a nice pizza this evening here
[22:56:19] <rayh> It is nice
[22:56:20] <les_w> mmm
[22:56:34] <Jacky^> weve been in 'pizzeria' :)
[22:56:36] <rayh> I'm on my way!
[22:56:43] <Jacky^> :P
[22:57:03] <les_w> jacky and k4ts always make me hungry.
[22:57:11] <rayh> les_w: You were in Milwaukee?
[22:57:26] <Jacky^> hehe
[22:57:32] <les_w> oh...I have the limoni pasta and sausage they sent
[22:57:43] <Jacky^> les_w: thats is cool
[22:58:00] <les_w> I have beento milwaukee a good bit
[22:58:16] <les_w> but I lived in evanston
[22:58:19] <rayh> * rayh goes and digs something out of the 'fridge. brb
[22:58:21] <Jacky^> there are hundreds of things lik the carpentier you seen here around
[22:58:27] <Jacky^> very nice :)
[22:58:28] <rayh> rayh is now known as rayh_away
[22:58:39] <les_w> haha you made ray hungry
[22:58:53] <Jacky^> haha
[22:59:52] <les_w> when ray says they are on the lake fishing....
[22:59:59] <les_w> It is ice fishing
[23:00:13] <Jacky^> nice, I love to fish
[23:00:18] <les_w> They cut a hole in the ice
[23:00:29] <Jacky^> but i usually go on the beach at the sea
[23:00:33] <les_w> and put up a small building over it
[23:00:59] <Jacky^> hahahaa
[23:01:22] <les_w> as soon as you catch the fish...they freeze
[23:01:54] <Jacky^> at least they remain fresh
[23:02:08] <Jacky^> :-)
[23:02:11] <les_w> they fish for trout, salmon, and others
[23:02:18] <Jacky^> nice
[23:02:31] <les_w> I fished for sardines in nice
[23:02:51] <Jacky^> in a lake ?
[23:02:51] <les_w> sardines...near sardinia...
[23:02:57] <Jacky^> :)
[23:02:59] <Jacky^> hehe
[23:03:03] <k4ts> ih ih les_w
[23:03:39] <Jacky^> I like to fish in lake, but I prefer to eat fish from sea only
[23:03:44] <les_w> you know in nice the people speak italian...not french
[23:04:01] <Jacky^> I dont like trouts, or similar :(
[23:04:31] <les_w> I like fish from the sea better also
[23:04:39] <Jacky^> yeah ..
[23:04:52] <Jacky^> itmay depend on how theyre cookied
[23:04:58] <k4ts> les_w: I speack italian good?
[23:05:12] <Jacky^> no !
[23:05:17] <k4ts> wow
[23:05:17] <Jacky^> auahauau
[23:05:26] <k4ts> anonimasu
[23:05:33] <Jacky^> you speack very bad
[23:05:39] <Jacky^> bad then me :(
[23:05:45] <Jacky^> haha
[23:06:13] <les_w> k4ts: i don't know....I could not even figure out whether the bottle you sent was after shave or liquer
[23:06:53] <k4ts> is after shave
[23:06:56] <k4ts> ih ih
[23:07:01] <les_w> hahaha
[23:07:19] <chris> it was so hot last night i got no sleep
[23:07:21] <k4ts> Jacky^: is bad
[23:07:25] <les_w> i'm going to drink it anyway.
[23:07:48] <les_w> summer there chris?
[23:07:54] <chris> yep
[23:08:15] <les_w> down under. I wish it was hot here.
[23:08:50] <chris> lets swap
[23:08:57] <les_w> ha yeah
[23:09:28] <les_w> well, turn on the ac at night
[23:10:31] <Jacky^> damn lag and wifi :(
[23:10:35] <Jacky^> losted something
[23:10:39] <les_w> haha
[23:11:19] <Jacky^> les_w: you should drink the lemon liquer at 3-4 C�
[23:11:28] <Jacky^> almost fresh
[23:11:48] <les_w> ok I will cool it to 3.5c
[23:11:55] <Jacky^> :D nice
[23:12:05] <chris> dont have one
[23:12:21] <Jacky^> k4ts: says it should go in a freezer before
[23:12:28] <Jacky^> very fresh
[23:12:58] <k4ts> ice
[23:13:01] <les_w> chris, the japanese or chinese ac are selling for us$90 for 5000 btu
[23:13:04] <Jacky^> is there some similar liquer there ?
[23:13:10] <chris> cheap
[23:13:21] <les_w> k4ts: ok. I will put it in the freezer
[23:13:51] <les_w> no, i haver never seen similar here
[23:14:32] <Jacky^> ok, if you like it we will send some bigger bottle :P
[23:14:39] <Jacky^> try it
[23:14:50] <les_w> ok!
[23:15:17] <les_w> you promise it is not after shave?
[23:15:20] <les_w> hahah
[23:15:26] <Jacky^> sure hahah
[23:15:27] <k4ts> ih ih
[23:15:32] <Jacky^> it isnt
[23:15:47] <les_w> looks like cologne bottle!
[23:15:50] <les_w> heh
[23:16:25] <Jacky^> :-)
[23:16:46] <k4ts> yes is cologne for to shave
[23:16:48] <k4ts> ih ih
[23:16:54] <Jacky^> les_w:
http://www.hotelolimpico.it/sorrento/limoncello.htm
[23:16:56] <les_w> oh...the sausage...should I cook or not?
[23:17:01] <Jacky^> here's the recipe
[23:17:05] <k4ts> no
[23:17:07] <k4ts> les
[23:17:08] <Jacky^> noo
[23:17:11] <Jacky^> :)
[23:18:08] <k4ts> do not cook the sausage
[23:18:48] <les_w> ok k4ts
[23:20:04] <k4ts> just cut and remove the skin from the sausage
[23:20:19] <les_w> I am now too hungry. I will go eat like ray. Later!
[23:20:40] <k4ts> its a bit
[23:20:51] <k4ts> difficult
[23:21:09] <Jacky^> but not impossible :)
[23:21:11] <les_w> I can remove the skin
[23:21:11] <Jacky^> hehe
[23:21:16] <les_w> no problem
[23:21:16] <Jacky^> yeah
[23:21:28] <les_w> later!
[23:21:37] <Jacky^> later
[23:26:37] <k4ts> les_w: night
[23:26:45] <k4ts> night all
[23:28:14] <chris> im tired
[23:30:07] <chris> after i get 200 more scratch tapes
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[23:54:16] <Jacky^> G night
