#emc | Logs for 2006-03-17

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[00:00:14] <dmessier> allo all
[00:13:53] <Jymmm> dmessier: Hey trouble!
[00:14:24] <dmessier> sure its my fault... ; (
[00:15:06] <Jymmm> dmessier: Of course it is, I have you on video. Just dont mind the scotch tape
[00:15:58] <dmessier> not at all... dont mind the pickin' & scratchin'
[00:16:32] <Jymmm> dmessier Now you know why it has scotch tape - we edited those scenes out
[00:17:22] <dmessier> hmm thx
[00:17:35] <Jymmm> 120 hours of video less all the pickin' & scratchin' left us with 30 seconds remianing.
[00:17:52] <dmessier> so any options so few solutions...
[00:17:59] <Jymmm> lol
[00:18:31] <dmessier> i need to win the lotto
[00:18:41] <Jymmm> dont we all
[00:18:51] <dmessier> so i can make my own toys...
[00:19:26] <Jymmm> first thing I'd do id get an old factory somewhere renovate it and make it my home
[00:19:28] <dmessier> lookin' into retoolin for the HArrier nose gear
[00:19:56] <Jymmm> can you do that legally (FAA wise) ?
[00:20:01] <dmessier> we threw out all the old fixtures
[00:20:20] <dmessier> legally we made them 1st
[00:20:28] <Jymmm> oh, I thought for you personally
[00:20:55] <dmessier> personally i can do whatever i WANT
[00:21:26] <gene> Nother probably dumb Q: How do I make a program pause, telling the operator to change the tool at the same time?
[00:21:43] <dmessier> they are a biatch... cylinder and fork
[00:21:57] <jepler> gene: I use (MSG,Insert drill 0.042)
[00:22:05] <dmessier> si
[00:22:19] <dmessier> MOO
[00:22:21] <dmessier> MOO
[00:22:25] <gene> And preferable have the program continue when the, Ahh MSG. Wheres the doc on that?
[00:22:52] <dmessier> 2 x ...like JAmes brown says
[00:22:57] <jepler> gene: er, followed by M00 to pause
[00:22:58] <Jymmm> http://xdobs.com/cnc/gcode-introduction.html
[00:23:13] <gene> And why the double 00?
[00:23:22] <jepler> M0 means the same as M00; no reason
[00:23:34] <skunkworks> olden days ;)
[00:23:36] <gene> M0 seems to at least pause till the puse is clicked on.
[00:23:36] <dmessier> im chicken... my parts are worth ALOT of $$$
[00:23:48] <bill2or3> Mmmparts
[00:23:50] <Jymmm> cradek: Theres a mention of you in that link
[00:23:52] <dmessier> push it 2 X
[00:24:25] <bill2or3> put a piece of scrap metal in the work area and have it engrave "CHANGE TOOL NOW!" on it. :-)
[00:24:57] <dmessier> ppl cant fly their 50 million dollar planes if i screw 1 up and have to wait for material..
[00:25:12] <gene> Aww common, just because we have the same machine Bill2or3
[00:25:49] <dmessier> mill it into your tables...
[00:27:02] <dmessier> then put a light bulb attatched to a switch... shut offf the spindle go push the buttom to make the light go bo... then make tea macro
[00:28:43] <Jymmm> dmessier well that's a waste of time... much easier to just toss the machien and a lightbulb on a circuit that can barely handle it then when the light goes bright you know to change tools.
[00:29:30] <dmessier> what ARE you getting for OPERATORS....
[00:29:47] <dmessier> ARE you CRAZY
[00:30:02] <Jymmm> "Brown out tools change indicator"
[00:30:32] <dmessier> at mo6 .. or for tool wear indication??
[00:30:59] <Jymmm> tool wear? That's easy.... the screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech gets louder.
[00:31:25] <dmessier> toolate
[00:32:03] <dmessier> one step over the line sweet jesus one step over the line
[00:33:02] <dmessier> catestophic failure does not adaptive tool life monitoring make
[00:36:11] <anonimasu> :)
[00:38:22] <dmessier> its about miles on the tool.. under ideal situations .. or your mapped situations
[00:49:43] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/docs/man/man1/halmeter.1: Changed the halmeter 'Accept' button to 'Apply', minor changes to manpage.
[00:50:07] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/meter.c: Changed the halmeter 'Accept' button to 'Apply', minor changes to manpage.
[00:51:31] <giacus> FBI-5 giacus updates his we template !
[00:51:35] <giacus> :D
[00:52:46] <giacus> well, I concluded using different templates for different webpages will be the better thing
[00:53:49] <giacus> so that, photo gallery have a certain look,
[00:54:07] <giacus> working area another, and so on ..
[02:12:49] <sersport> hi
[02:12:49] <sersport> I'm russian, and you?
[02:13:07] <giacus> italia
[02:13:12] <giacus> ciao :)
[02:13:31] <giacus> howdy ?
[02:14:02] <sersport> i like football
[02:14:14] <giacus> I like soccer
[02:14:55] <giacus> do you play to fotball ?
[02:15:18] <sersport> yes
[02:15:23] <giacus> nice
[02:15:39] <giacus> I do not :(
[02:15:46] <giacus> yet
[02:15:55] <sersport> in Russia football is sport �1
[02:16:14] <giacus> how cold is there now ?
[02:17:06] <giacus> ho nice .. my preferd sposrt is to play with girls :P
[02:17:19] <giacus> always, cold or hot ..
[02:17:23] <giacus> np
[02:17:43] <sersport> now is morning, about 0 gradus
[02:17:43] <giacus> if is cold, then is better
[02:17:52] <giacus> oh.. 0
[02:18:11] <giacus> not much cols for temperetures I eard from there
[02:18:15] <sersport> I love girls too
[02:18:24] <giacus> here aroun 10 � C
[02:18:42] <giacus> how old are you ?
[02:19:02] <sersport> 27
[02:19:17] <giacus> nice
[02:19:36] <giacus> got a lot of time to play around emc :P
[02:19:46] <sersport> and you?
[02:19:52] <giacus> 19
[02:20:08] <sersport> nice
[02:20:12] <giacus> :-)
[02:20:31] <sersport> la primavera venire
[02:20:41] <giacus> noi aspettare ..
[02:20:47] <giacus> maybe
[02:21:23] <sersport> your city...?
[02:21:26] <giacus> actually is winter 100 % here
[02:21:43] <giacus> oh.. its a small city
[02:21:56] <giacus> around 18k souls
[02:22:01] <sersport> name
[02:22:08] <giacus> very nera to sicily island
[02:22:11] <giacus> locri
[02:22:24] <giacus> province is reggio calabria
[02:23:02] <giacus> do you have gps ?
[02:23:53] <sersport> no
[02:23:57] <giacus> btw, I was kidding ..
[02:24:05] <giacus> I'm not 19 years old
[02:24:12] <giacus> a bit more heh
[02:24:27] <giacus> 19 is Jymmm
[02:24:44] <giacus> wanna see my photo page ?
[02:24:53] <giacus> http://giacus.altervista.org/photo/
[02:24:57] <sersport> there is e-mail and SMS on my mobile telephone
[02:25:00] <giacus> is working progress :)
[02:25:44] <giacus> ho nice phone
[02:25:58] <giacus> but I hate sms , bleah :(
[02:26:28] <sersport> me too
[02:26:54] <sersport> Cosa Nostra
[02:26:58] <giacus> what time is it there ?
[02:27:08] <giacus> spaghetti ? :D
[02:27:33] <giacus> here are 3:27 am
[02:27:34] <sersport> yes, 5:27 morning
[02:27:42] <giacus> oh ..
[02:27:47] <giacus> do not sleep ?
[02:27:52] <giacus> at all ?
[02:28:15] <giacus> ready to go to play ?
[02:28:17] <sersport> I'm ill
[02:28:30] <sersport> no
[02:29:22] <sersport> are you Anna?
[02:30:20] <giacus> sorry .. nope
[02:31:12] <giacus> I'm always jack
[02:32:08] <giacus> I'm the bad face on the left
[02:32:12] <sersport> Is your real name Jack?
[02:32:15] <giacus> not the robot ..
[02:32:21] <giacus> yes
[02:32:29] <giacus> my name would be jack
[02:32:33] <giacus> in english
[02:32:46] <giacus> real name is giacomo
[02:32:53] <sersport> Giacomo
[02:32:56] <giacus> that isnt jack
[02:33:00] <giacus> yeah
[02:33:02] <giacus> :)
[02:33:02] <sersport> ok
[02:33:39] <sersport> my real name is Sergey
[02:33:59] <giacus> cold be Sergio maybe in italian
[02:34:21] <sersport> 38 age/2=19 age, haha
[02:34:29] <giacus> :D
[02:34:36] <giacus> 19 for foot ..
[02:35:07] <sersport> yes, Sergio
[02:35:19] <giacus> nice name
[02:35:25] <giacus> very popoular here
[02:35:44] <sersport> and here too
[02:36:10] <giacus> first time you join emc ?
[02:36:27] <sersport> yes
[02:36:29] <giacus> any interest in it ?
[02:37:36] <sersport> foreign country, foreign life, languages
[02:37:47] <giacus> we do robotics here
[02:38:12] <giacus> writing the story of robotics machines
[02:38:36] <giacus> sometimes I do spaghetti too
[02:38:45] <giacus> :P
[02:38:59] <sersport> nice
[02:39:41] <giacus> and sometime I eat during I type to the keyboard
[02:39:51] <giacus> few time ..
[02:39:56] <sersport> I never eat italian spaghetti
[02:40:04] <giacus> oh, really ?
[02:40:21] <giacus> youre losting a nice food then
[02:40:24] <giacus> :)
[02:40:52] <sersport> and do you drunk russian vodka
[02:41:02] <giacus> yeah
[02:41:04] <steves_logging> steves_logging is now known as steve_stallings
[02:41:06] <giacus> I know it
[02:41:16] <giacus> but for what comes here ..
[02:41:26] <giacus> I think its not the best of it
[02:41:33] <giacus> very commercial products
[02:41:42] <sersport> yes
[02:42:35] <giacus> you know italy seel piaggio around the world
[02:42:43] <giacus> they build it in india
[02:42:53] <giacus> same thing for the vodka ..
[02:42:56] <giacus> :(
[02:43:19] <sersport> how much costs packet "Marlboro"?
[02:43:20] <giacus> it maybe maded in some country there
[02:43:28] <giacus> 4 euro here
[02:43:34] <giacus> mponopoly of state
[02:43:59] <giacus> I smoke around 10 euro/day ..
[02:44:27] <sersport> euro better then lira?
[02:44:31] <giacus> depend on how much time I do not sleep
[02:44:45] <giacus> euro ?
[02:44:50] <giacus> should be powerful
[02:44:55] <giacus> in appareance
[02:45:00] <giacus> very strong
[02:45:13] <giacus> dunno if it is an advantage
[02:45:35] <giacus> for what I seen lira was better ..
[02:45:42] <giacus> prices now are 3 X
[02:45:55] <giacus> but.. this is the progress
[02:46:09] <giacus> also debits are 3 X
[02:46:13] <giacus> :D
[02:46:53] <sersport> 4 euro is caro for one packet of cigarettes
[02:47:21] <giacus> I seen also 7$ in US ..
[02:47:35] <giacus> yeah, is high
[02:47:44] <giacus> not cheaper :)
[02:48:10] <giacus> would be better stop to smoke
[02:49:14] <sersport> I smoke and dont want to stop
[02:49:27] <giacus> how much /day ?
[02:50:07] <sersport> 20 sig.
[02:50:14] <giacus> ah .. few..
[02:50:16] <giacus> good
[02:50:18] <sersport> about
[02:50:22] <giacus> no I smoke a lot
[02:50:43] <giacus> sometime, I forgot it, and light another cigarette
[02:50:49] <sersport> 10 euro in day
[02:50:51] <giacus> or light by the same
[02:51:04] <giacus> O_O
[02:51:36] <giacus> btw, thats not good for a football player :/
[02:51:46] <giacus> lost performance
[02:52:09] <sersport> amateur
[02:53:01] <sersport> Professionals smokes too
[02:53:25] <giacus> mm
[02:53:34] <giacus> smoke kill peoples :(
[02:54:07] <sersport> one moment please...I'll go to smoke
[02:54:15] <Jymmm> jepler cradek What is AXIS primarily written in and how large is the source (in MB's)?
[02:57:33] <sersport> hi Giacomo
[02:57:45] <giacus> hello sersport
[02:58:40] <sersport> In Italy Are there prostitution?
[02:59:06] <giacus> as everywhere ..
[02:59:10] <giacus> a lot
[02:59:47] <giacus> lots of they are from brasile or east eu
[02:59:50] <sersport> In Moscow a lot
[03:00:02] <giacus> btw, talking about it
[03:00:20] <giacus> italian goverment apllyed a new porno-tax
[03:00:23] <sersport> Ukraine
[03:00:38] <giacus> they are destroing the pporno-business here
[03:00:47] <giacus> for example
[03:01:00] <giacus> a film in italy cost around 30k euro
[03:01:03] <sersport> which cost?
[03:01:06] <giacus> in ungharia 15k
[03:01:13] <giacus> a porno film ..
[03:01:31] <giacus> so.. italians ar going there to produce that !
[03:01:38] <giacus> minor costs
[03:02:06] <giacus> I eard that right yesterday watching tv
[03:02:39] <sersport> and girls on italian streets?
[03:02:47] <giacus> yeah
[03:03:04] <sersport> which costs?
[03:03:17] <giacus> never tried ..
[03:03:22] <giacus> for what I know
[03:03:39] <giacus> from 30 to 100 euro
[03:03:43] <giacus> depend
[03:03:51] <A-L-P-H-A> I know you all miss me.
[03:03:55] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, any word?
[03:04:08] <SWPadnos> not much, actually.
[03:04:15] <sersport> hour
[03:04:25] <SWPadnos> just the raw material is around $20-$25 per piece
[03:04:42] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, I got quoted for materials at $20USD.
[03:05:16] <SWPadnos> ok - that's in the same ballpark. it depends on the shape (weight) of the blank
[03:05:33] <SWPadnos> 1-3/8 thick, or 1-1/2 ...
[03:05:42] <sersport> in Moscow from 100$ to ????? for night
[03:05:56] <giacus> at this point .. dunno if go to sleep or not
[03:06:03] <giacus> night passed :(
[03:06:23] <sersport> yes
[03:06:30] <giacus> * giacus mumble mumble ..
[03:07:14] <sersport> Are you married?
[03:07:41] <giacus> unfortunately I was ..
[03:08:06] <giacus> as lot of peoples, during few years married here
[03:08:08] <sersport> children?
[03:08:14] <giacus> nope ..
[03:08:32] <sersport> bad
[03:08:54] <giacus> maybe bad, what is what happen
[03:09:16] <giacus> yoou know, italy is the older coutry of eu
[03:09:20] <giacus> and maybe more
[03:09:29] <giacus> all old peoples ..
[03:09:37] <sersport> In Russia speeks: children is flowers of life!
[03:09:52] <giacus> I don't know there
[03:10:26] <sersport> Adriano Celentano is popular in Russia
[03:10:44] <giacus> here a couple who stay very good get max 2 childrens
[03:10:58] <giacus> lot of couples zero.
[03:11:03] <giacus> for the life ..
[03:11:17] <giacus> ah celentano, yeah, nice
[03:11:30] <giacus> eros ramazzotti maybe could be popoular too
[03:11:49] <giacus> latest song he's write was with anastasia
[03:11:53] <sersport> yes
[03:12:01] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, 1.5"
[03:12:17] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, I got quoted at $58 for 80 units.
[03:12:57] <sersport> in Italy which from russian is known?
[03:13:16] <giacus> no idea ..
[03:13:26] <giacus> there's not much import from there
[03:13:33] <SWPadnos> $58 in machining?
[03:13:44] <SWPadnos> that's gotta be each ;)
[03:13:46] <giacus> sure, you'd have nice artist
[03:14:28] <sersport> who?
[03:15:03] <sersport> Pugacheva - do you knows?
[03:15:28] <giacus> no..
[03:15:41] <sersport> russian films?
[03:15:49] <giacus> nothing ..
[03:16:00] <giacus> you should know we have berlusconi
[03:16:03] <sersport> Lenin?
[03:16:09] <giacus> berlusconi is like murdock
[03:16:15] <sersport> yes
[03:16:19] <giacus> everything comes from US
[03:16:29] <giacus> films, reality show, etc ..
[03:16:34] <sersport> yes
[03:16:42] <giacus> its a business
[03:16:45] <sersport> yes
[03:17:00] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, yeah. $58USD each.
[03:17:06] <SWPadnos> phew ;)
[03:17:11] <sersport> blood, kill...
[03:17:19] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, yeah. My "go a head" point is $50USD each.
[03:17:31] <SWPadnos> I ws gonna say. anyone who has a lathe that fast (or wages that low) deserves the business
[03:17:51] <SWPadnos> ok. $58 for material + labor, or labor only, plus $20 materials
[03:17:57] <sersport> you smile me, how?
[03:18:12] <A-L-P-H-A> $58 x 80 + $200shipping to my door.
[03:18:13] <SWPadnos> colon parentheses : ) without a space
[03:18:31] <A-L-P-H-A> $4840USD total. 80 units. to my door.
[03:18:52] <SWPadnos> ok, $60.50 with shipping.
[03:18:54] <sersport> is it special PC program?
[03:19:09] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, yeah. Shipping I'll eat... there's nothing I can do about that.
[03:19:20] <A-L-P-H-A> UPS/FedEx/USPS
[03:19:24] <SWPadnos> sersport, no, chatzilla and others show icons for common "emoticons"
[03:19:45] <SWPadnos> ok. I'll ask him again. we talked about it today, but I didn't get the number from him
[03:20:06] <A-L-P-H-A> Whatever... My price point, is that I don't have enough profit from that number ATM.
[03:20:31] <sersport> where is chatzilla? which site?
[03:20:42] <SWPadnos> ok. $50 is good, less is better, more is questionable.
[03:20:48] <giacus> sersport: firefox
[03:20:52] <SWPadnos> I'll keep that in mind (but I won't tell him that)
[03:20:53] <giacus> is an extension
[03:21:13] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, yeah. I understand that there's an economy of scale here.
[03:21:26] <SWPadnos> sure.
[03:21:37] <giacus> hehe
[03:21:41] <A-L-P-H-A> But If the price can't be beat, then there's something else I could work out as well... but it'd be the same amount of units, but the bolt pattern would be different slightly.
[03:21:46] <SWPadnos> well, not that much - only due to fixturing, really
[03:21:58] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, start directing conversations, I'm getting lost at who you're talking to.
[03:22:07] <sersport> Opera 0.9 in my pc
[03:22:13] <SWPadnos> A-L-P-H-A, sorry - that last was for you
[03:22:26] <A-L-P-H-A> Stop using opera... get FF, with some extensions. :)
[03:22:34] <A-L-P-H-A> isn't opera FREE now?
[03:22:38] <A-L-P-H-A> add free, and FREE?
[03:22:40] <A-L-P-H-A> add=ad
[03:22:50] <SWPadnos> A-L-P-H-A, fixturing is the only real economy, because it's all labor and machine time as is (no real NRE)
[03:23:22] <giacus> most interesting thing free I seen recently is vmware server
[03:23:25] <A-L-P-H-A> Well, depends on how he fixtures the thing... if he's using a rotary table, then the fixturing is the same.
[03:23:26] <giacus> really nice
[03:23:51] <A-L-P-H-A> vmware workstation iswhat I'm using, very nice. but not free I'm pretty sure.
[03:24:12] <SWPadnos> not free after 30 days, possibly free for personal use even after that
[03:24:15] <giacus> also to test variuos distroson the same hd
[03:24:24] <sersport> you smile me, how? is it special PC program?
[03:24:29] <giacus> workstation isnt fre ..
[03:24:38] <giacus> server vers, yes
[03:25:12] <giacus> sersport: ^__^
[03:25:16] <A-L-P-H-A> but neither is the mp3 music that I download... it's not free, but technically legal for me to download.
[03:25:19] <A-L-P-H-A> in Canada at least.
[03:25:20] <A-L-P-H-A> :D
[03:25:24] <sersport> where I can to find it?
[03:25:27] <A-L-P-H-A> FREE CANADA!
[03:25:49] <sersport> NHL
[03:25:56] <giacus> A-L-P-H-A: there's a lot of free music around
[03:26:19] <giacus> artists are going to understand the only way to survive:
[03:26:34] <giacus> leaving the majors and doing from yourself
[03:26:36] <A-L-P-H-A> give away their music, and go on tour!
[03:26:42] <sersport> where mp3 music no money?
[03:26:44] <A-L-P-H-A> make money like the REST of the people.
[03:26:55] <A-L-P-H-A> WORK for your f'n money.
[03:26:58] <giacus> http://promo.virginrecords.net/artists/ben_harper/jukebox/links_intl/
[03:27:36] <giacus> a cd here cost 27-30 E. !!
[03:27:39] <giacus> O_O
[03:27:51] <giacus> theyre totally crazy
[03:28:03] <giacus> theyre selling music as food
[03:28:10] <sersport> here about 3 euro
[03:28:11] <giacus> hamburgers
[03:28:23] <sersport> haha
[03:28:33] <giacus> every year they do thi calculation:
[03:28:44] <giacus> how much was the price in 2005 ?
[03:28:47] <giacus> 27 E.
[03:28:59] <giacus> we llost something in selling
[03:29:08] <giacus> then the price will bw 30 E.
[03:29:11] <giacus> absurd ..
[03:29:21] <giacus> an they are going on so ..
[03:29:50] <sersport> yes
[03:29:51] <giacus> from the artist to the user there are 10 hands in the middle !
[03:29:53] <sersport> what is ''firefox'', it means you'd go to smoke?
[03:29:57] <giacus> to take money ..
[03:30:06] <sersport> yes
[03:30:55] <giacus> sersport: firefox is ..
[03:31:21] <giacus> the only browser you can use withou install a lot of dialers , banner, spyware, & co .
[03:31:53] <giacus> http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/
[03:32:32] <A-L-P-H-A> 27-30 � a CD?????
[03:32:41] <giacus> yeah ..
[03:32:53] <giacus> where the same cd in us cost around 10-15 $
[03:33:01] <giacus> and books too
[03:33:34] <giacus> thats why a lot of italian peoples are near to the Free software filosofy ..
[03:33:49] <giacus> beacuse its absurd
[03:34:08] <A-L-P-H-A> we're like $13-18CDN.
[03:34:16] <giacus> thats a right price
[03:34:38] <SWPadnos> CDs are expensive here. DVDs are less, usually
[03:34:43] <A-L-P-H-A> I can agree with a CD being $10.
[03:34:49] <A-L-P-H-A> I get a cash, cover art, and no DRM.
[03:34:56] <A-L-P-H-A> case
[03:34:58] <giacus> we also have the tax on empty cd ..
[03:34:58] <A-L-P-H-A> not cash
[03:35:02] <giacus> and cd recorder
[03:35:09] <A-L-P-H-A> not much of a tax. ;)
[03:35:17] <sersport> where 10$?
[03:35:18] <giacus> ad some political was proposing a tax on dsl connection too !
[03:35:37] <giacus> I think around 20 cent /cd tax
[03:35:40] <A-L-P-H-A> kicks, http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=friendsdontletfriendsuseie9qp1.jpg
[03:35:55] <giacus> after we got that law ..
[03:35:59] <A-L-P-H-A> toy I wouldn't mind... http://www.superssd.com/products/tera-ramsan/ just that the electical bill would be insane for a year.
[03:37:27] <SWPadnos> cool 24GB/second is probably enough for my camera array
[03:37:55] <SWPadnos> too bad I need 30 TB/hour though
[03:38:23] <giacus> use a dat
[03:38:56] <jmkasunich> only 2500W, that isn't much of an electric bill
[03:39:03] <sersport> SWPadnos: where are you from?
[03:39:11] <SWPadnos> Vermot
[03:39:13] <SWPadnos> no
[03:39:15] <SWPadnos> Vermont
[03:39:18] <SWPadnos> there
[03:39:22] <sersport> A-L-P-H-A: where are you from?
[03:39:57] <SWPadnos> oops, 40 TB/hour
[03:40:06] <sersport> Montlilier
[03:41:18] <giacus> sersport: are you married ?
[03:41:56] <giacus> not yet ?
[03:42:17] <sersport> yes
[03:42:26] <giacus> uhm :(
[03:42:33] <sersport> wife sleeps
[03:42:40] <A-L-P-H-A> toronto.
[03:42:43] <giacus> nothing ..
[03:42:52] <giacus> you can't be a good developer :/
[03:42:54] <sersport> NHL?
[03:43:17] <giacus> womans are computer-incompatibles
[03:43:19] <A-L-P-H-A> Just cause I'm Canadian, doesn't mean I have to like Hockey. But I do.
[03:43:26] <SWPadnos> giacus, tell that to my mother
[03:43:35] <giacus> heh
[03:43:37] <SWPadnos> she's been programming since before I was born
[03:43:48] <giacus> it depend ..
[03:44:07] <giacus> I have to know yet a woman that agreed with computers ..
[03:44:09] <giacus> :(
[03:44:11] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, check out www.emachineshop.com they do online quotes after you draw the thing. It's actually not to bad.
[03:44:29] <SWPadnos> I can't stand their software on my triple monitor machine
[03:44:49] <SWPadnos> they have some scaling thing wrong, so I get spaghetti-western like drawings
[03:44:52] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, I got a triple head machine also
[03:45:08] <SWPadnos> maybe they fixed it, but I tried it and uninstalled about a year ago
[03:45:08] <A-L-P-H-A> their toolbar doesn't undock to get more real estate.
[03:45:10] <A-L-P-H-A> but <shrug>
[03:45:19] <A-L-P-H-A> works pretty good thus far.
[03:45:23] <A-L-P-H-A> installed it yesterday
[03:45:31] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm using it for quotes.
[03:45:40] <A-L-P-H-A> if I can get that quote beat... I'm good.
[03:46:29] <A-L-P-H-A> as in good to produce.
[03:46:48] <SWPadnos> they seemed expensive when I went through the exercise for a motor mount
[03:46:54] <giacus> jmkasunich: seen the jepler servo-idea ?
[03:47:07] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, I don't know. I got local sheet metal guys.
[03:47:19] <sersport> Maple Leafes lost Sabres 1-3
[03:47:22] <jmkasunich> what idea?
[03:47:23] <A-L-P-H-A> beers/coffee on a friday, and chat with them. Cheaper work. :)
[03:47:24] <giacus> he was unable to get more of 50% dut cycle in output yestarday
[03:47:32] <SWPadnos> I think their quote for a motor mount was $900 or some such
[03:47:34] <giacus> testing freqgen
[03:47:45] <SWPadnos> maybe it was 1900, I can't remember
[03:48:06] <jmkasunich> oh that - I can get 100% just fine, I think its a config issue
[03:48:09] <giacus> jmkasunich: he did a small servo driver I think ..
[03:48:25] <giacus> jmkasunich: what you used for the robot competition time ago ?
[03:48:34] <giacus> wich drivers I mean
[03:48:52] <A-L-P-H-A> they're prices change from week to week.
[03:48:54] <A-L-P-H-A> it's odd.
[03:49:03] <giacus> I know you was playng around a laptop to control a robot
[03:49:19] <jmkasunich> some MOSFET totem pole device in a TO-247, don't recall the part number, and a IR2110 MOSFET driver
[03:49:34] <jmkasunich> x 4 to make two H-bridges, one for each wheel
[03:49:35] <giacus> no diagram around ?
[03:49:38] <jmkasunich> no
[03:49:43] <giacus> k
[03:50:15] <giacus> It worked fine in your hands I suppose :P
[03:50:40] <jmkasunich> actually the H bridge part was made last year for another project
[03:50:45] <jmkasunich> we just re-used it
[03:51:00] <giacus> interesting
[03:52:54] <giacus> sersport: sleeping ? :)
[03:53:13] <giacus> 4:53 am here ..
[03:53:16] <giacus> haha
[03:53:30] <sersport> no
[03:53:43] <giacus> let me wait my mother wake up for a good coffe cup :P
[03:54:01] <giacus> around 6 am ..
[03:54:12] <giacus> an hour yet
[03:54:35] <sersport> 6:53
[03:54:44] <giacus> sersport: toady I learned something more about css and html
[03:54:56] <giacus> what your knowledge about it ?
[03:55:12] <sersport> its very good
[03:55:24] <giacus> nice
[03:55:30] <giacus> and Linux too ?
[03:55:51] <sersport> firefox is going for my PC
[03:56:01] <sersport> 30%
[03:57:00] <sersport> I want coffee
[03:57:10] <giacus> italian express
[03:57:12] <giacus> :)
[03:57:19] <sersport> y-e-s
[03:57:20] <giacus> i'd buy a machine for that
[03:57:31] <sersport> haha
[03:57:31] <giacus> now is cheap enough
[03:57:35] <giacus> :(
[03:58:07] <giacus> I usually drink coffe just in the morning
[03:58:13] <giacus> 2-3 at /day
[03:58:28] <giacus> but very strong, express if possible
[03:58:36] <giacus> 1 after lunch
[03:58:51] <sersport> nice
[03:58:55] <giacus> thins morning I need a liter :(
[03:59:53] <sersport> Italians very quickly speaks
[04:00:36] <giacus> because at this time ..
[04:00:48] <giacus> if I dont speak ill sleeeeeep
[04:00:54] <giacus> * giacus ronf ronf
[04:00:59] <giacus> *_*
[04:01:02] <sersport> giacus: your family is big?
[04:01:10] <giacus> yeah
[04:01:14] <giacus> 3 cats
[04:01:22] <giacus> :)
[04:01:26] <giacus> kidding ..
[04:01:35] <sersport> ����
[04:01:38] <giacus> ive 2 cats and one k4t
[04:01:39] <sersport> haha
[04:01:43] <CIA-8> 03cradek * 10emc2/src/libnml/inifile/inifile.cc: tired of seeing this
[04:01:49] <giacus> my mother live with me
[04:01:50] <steve_stallings> steve_stallings is now known as steves_logging
[04:01:59] <sersport> nice
[04:02:02] <giacus> in my house
[04:02:15] <sersport> big house?
[04:02:17] <giacus> I also have a brother and a sister
[04:02:29] <giacus> the mine is around 180 m2
[04:02:41] <giacus> big enough for me
[04:02:47] <giacus> 2 bathroom
[04:02:50] <sersport> my 48 m2
[04:03:16] <giacus> and, 8 meters from here, there's the house of my mother
[04:03:26] <giacus> another 120 M2
[04:03:37] <giacus> she use it only during the morning
[04:03:42] <giacus> day
[04:04:36] <sersport> 48x3=144m2...180m2 is your
[04:05:02] <giacus> are you on centre city ?
[04:05:12] <sersport> no
[04:05:16] <giacus> remember Im a small city ..
[04:05:22] <giacus> near the sea
[04:05:28] <giacus> to much near :(
[04:05:29] <sersport> nice
[04:05:37] <giacus> I fear tsunami here !
[04:05:46] <giacus> and eartquake
[04:05:57] <sersport> sea, sun...cool
[04:06:17] <giacus> yeah, summer is nice
[04:06:23] <giacus> but winter not
[04:06:30] <giacus> there's nothing to do ..
[04:06:33] <sersport> bad
[04:06:34] <giacus> no snow
[04:06:42] <giacus> no winter sports
[04:07:03] <sersport> ski is popular in Italy
[04:07:13] <giacus> sky ?
[04:07:16] <giacus> ops
[04:07:23] <giacus> yeah enough
[04:07:37] <giacus> in north italy
[04:07:53] <sersport> yes
[04:08:17] <sersport> eartquake is often
[04:08:18] <giacus> I like to fish
[04:08:23] <giacus> here
[04:08:27] <sersport> yes
[04:08:30] <giacus> from the boat too
[04:08:40] <sersport> sharks
[04:08:46] <giacus> nah ..
[04:09:01] <giacus> lot of species
[04:09:19] <giacus> latest years we got an increase of tropical species
[04:09:31] <giacus> as you know weather is changing ..
[04:09:50] <sersport> yes
[04:10:24] <giacus> fish are moving from mediterraneo (north africa) to here ..
[04:11:05] <sersport> Do you visited other country?
[04:11:08] <giacus> so, we are meet a lot of specie never seen before
[04:11:21] <giacus> Ive benn in california in 2002
[04:11:37] <giacus> greece
[04:11:40] <giacus> spain
[04:11:49] <giacus> stop
[04:12:50] <giacus> My cousin was been in poland some year ago
[04:12:52] <sersport> Russia?
[04:12:59] <giacus> never ..
[04:13:06] <giacus> Id like to see it
[04:13:23] <sersport> Red Sqare - is very beautiful
[04:13:26] <giacus> but ..
[04:13:36] <sersport> Kreml too
[04:13:42] <giacus> my secret desire is to move in australia !
[04:13:59] <giacus> very hard to get
[04:14:02] <giacus> from here
[04:14:11] <giacus> 4k euro for the fly
[04:14:28] <giacus> passing from tokio, I think ..
[04:14:36] <giacus> 24 hours or more of fly
[04:14:43] <sersport> 4k means 4000?
[04:14:49] <giacus> 4000 euro
[04:15:05] <sersport> a lot
[04:15:07] <giacus> and
[04:15:16] <giacus> if I decide to go there
[04:15:25] <giacus> cant go for some week ..
[04:15:39] <giacus> you need to stay at least a month after that trip
[04:15:58] <giacus> so.. its hard
[04:16:23] <sersport> your wage is big
[04:17:04] <giacus> not much
[04:17:14] <giacus> 2k euro/month
[04:17:40] <sersport> is it bad?
[04:17:55] <giacus> mmhh
[04:18:12] <sersport> 2k - what is ''k''?
[04:18:12] <giacus> depend on how much taxes have to pay ..
[04:18:29] <giacus> if you have a car
[04:18:33] <giacus> phone
[04:18:37] <giacus> etc ..
[04:18:41] <giacus> isnt to much
[04:18:47] <sersport> yes
[04:18:59] <giacus> and I smoke, as I told you
[04:19:31] <giacus> you shoud be happy there
[04:19:48] <sersport> maybe
[04:19:54] <giacus> yeah ..
[04:20:12] <giacus> I think your country is going up
[04:20:22] <giacus> where the our is stalled ..
[04:20:33] <giacus> aour economy is going down here
[04:20:50] <sersport> our too
[04:21:27] <giacus> I think when a country touch the bottom ..
[04:21:37] <giacus> can restart to go up
[04:21:52] <giacus> italy was going up in 60-70 years
[04:22:01] <giacus> after that .. is going down
[04:22:13] <A-L-P-H-A> � costs too much.
[04:22:18] <A-L-P-H-A> how much does a loaf of bread cost?
[04:22:34] <A-L-P-H-A> how much does a big mac combo cost in �s?
[04:22:44] <sersport> berlusconi - is ''cosa nostra''?
[04:22:49] <A-L-P-H-A> "K" means thousands.
[04:23:10] <sersport> thanks
[04:23:12] <giacus> sersport: dunno, I dont believe in berlusconi, as I dont believe in bush ..
[04:23:31] <giacus> berlusconi is a people having total control of information
[04:23:38] <A-L-P-H-A> "K" means thousands "G" means 'grand' which also is thousand.
[04:23:39] <giacus> can do everithing
[04:24:12] <sersport> in Moscow big mac costs about 2 euro
[04:24:15] <giacus> controlling informations, print, papers, tv, you can control anything
[04:24:20] <A-L-P-H-A> $2000, 2K, 2G, $2,000, 2.000$ ==> two thousand dollars.
[04:24:26] <giacus> the only thing free here is the net
[04:24:27] <sersport> maybe 1 euro
[04:24:30] <A-L-P-H-A> just depends on where you are.
[04:24:30] <giacus> for now ..
[04:24:39] <A-L-P-H-A> giacus. healthcare?
[04:24:50] <A-L-P-H-A> water? sunshine? church?
[04:24:51] <giacus> pardon ?
[04:25:08] <sersport> waman
[04:25:18] <sersport> woman
[04:25:37] <giacus> sersport: I dont believe berlusconi is mafioso as someone says
[04:25:57] <giacus> bat he's who do only his personal interest
[04:26:06] <giacus> not the interest of country ..
[04:26:09] <sersport> like abramovich
[04:26:20] <giacus> he can do that
[04:28:51] <giacus> is like a dictatorship based on democracy :)
[04:29:14] <giacus> you cant see them, but it exist ..
[04:30:04] <sersport> berlusconi was going out from journalist woman. I saw it by TV
[04:30:44] <giacus> berlusconi is very near to bush political
[04:30:53] <giacus> as you probably know ..
[04:30:54] <sersport> bad
[04:31:11] <giacus> could be ..
[04:31:28] <giacus> Im sure he will lost next election here
[04:31:33] <giacus> in april
[04:32:04] <sersport> probably
[04:33:26] <sersport> Do you cost for Inet?
[04:33:37] <sersport> no
[04:33:40] <giacus> dsl ?
[04:34:05] <sersport> Do you buy a time in Internet?
[04:34:19] <giacus> no time
[04:34:26] <giacus> 36 E. /month
[04:34:35] <giacus> 4 mb
[04:37:41] <giacus> sersport: http://www.beppegrillo.it/english.php
[04:38:05] <sersport> I bought internet card, 10$. I picked tariff, from 2:00 to 9:00, every night during 31 days.
[04:38:21] <giacus> oh nice
[04:38:36] <sersport> yeah
[04:38:51] <giacus> im sharing dsl with my brother and my sister ..
[04:38:57] <sersport> tariff is diferent
[04:39:16] <sersport> every hour
[04:39:44] <sersport> nice
[04:39:52] <giacus> cellular or phone line ?
[04:40:05] <sersport> phone
[04:40:35] <giacus> I used the cellphone for some month time ago
[04:40:45] <giacus> 20 E./month
[04:40:58] <giacus> from 18 to 08 every day
[04:41:10] <giacus> saturday and sunday all day
[04:41:21] <giacus> but was slow
[04:41:26] <giacus> gprs
[04:41:33] <giacus> not edge or umts
[04:41:49] <sersport> cellular line costs about 50$
[04:41:55] <giacus> a crap ..
[04:43:46] <sersport> similar word with ''crap''?
[04:44:07] <giacus> :)
[04:44:08] <SWPadnos> junk
[04:44:13] <giacus> dunno
[04:44:24] <giacus> my english is very poor :/
[04:44:35] <sersport> my too
[04:44:40] <giacus> good
[04:44:46] <giacus> we can talk then
[04:44:50] <giacus> hehe
[04:45:07] <sersport> haha
[04:45:18] <giacus> what about p2p there ?
[04:45:29] <giacus> there's a war too ? :P
[04:45:48] <sersport> where?
[04:46:00] <giacus> apps like kazaa or emule endokey, etc ..
[04:46:05] <giacus> are used there ?
[04:47:09] <giacus> sersport: googling ?
[04:47:11] <giacus> :)
[04:47:13] <sersport> no
[04:47:36] <giacus> oh, ok
[04:48:04] <sersport> how?
[04:48:54] <giacus> is there any censure on the net there ?
[04:49:07] <giacus> I know here some isp use filters
[04:49:22] <sersport> �����
[04:49:47] <sersport> how to use?
[04:49:48] <giacus> no ?
[04:50:01] <giacus> how to use what ?
[04:50:18] <sersport> I dont know
[04:50:29] <giacus> me too :(
[04:51:04] <sersport> there are private chat
[04:51:21] <giacus> no.. not for that
[04:51:37] <giacus> I meant if you googled, is there any censure there ?
[04:52:16] <cradek> censor
[04:52:49] <sersport> what is google? by italiano
[04:53:11] <giacus> http://images.google.ru/images?q=freedom&hl=ru&btnG=%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA+%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BA
[04:53:22] <terr_> how good are teh sherline machines? Can anyone make recomendations?
[04:54:02] <cradek> I think they are good if you want to make small parts
[04:54:17] <terr_> would you recomend anything else?
[04:54:32] <cradek> it totally depends what you want to do
[04:55:39] <giacus> terr_: I think theyre good machine to start
[04:55:40] <Jymmm> cradek :The same thing we do every night Pinky, Try to take over the world!"
[04:55:51] <giacus> cnc are expensive !
[04:56:00] <terr_> I can get a kneemill - 14x6x14.75 430KG for 2300 - not all that much more actually
[04:56:26] <terr_> I have to add the cnc but I figure I can glue the motors on somehow
[04:56:40] <giacus> as cradek sayd, you should know what to machine, and what expect from it at the end
[04:56:50] <cradek> you're thinking of a cnc sherline mill?
[04:56:51] <Jymmm> 1000 2mm axial lead Red LED's for $40
[04:56:52] <terr_> its s new hobby.
[04:56:56] <terr_> ya
[04:57:09] <cradek> have you ever machined anything manually (not cnc?)
[04:57:22] <terr_> but I can get a 430KG machine for about the same.
[04:57:38] <giacus> 430 kg of what ?
[04:57:46] <terr_> I can get a 10x18 lathe for 1100
[04:57:54] <terr_> 430kg of machine!
[04:58:01] <Jymmm> cradek $40 for 1K leds, that sounds high doens't it?
[04:58:11] <giacus> lathe its a different thing I suppose..
[04:58:16] <terr_> Maybe these are like women - bigger package is cheaper
[04:58:16] <cradek> Jymmm: no idea
[04:58:29] <jmkasunich> 4 cents each, doesn't seem high to me
[04:58:33] <cradek> terr_: what do you want to make with it? you really need to know the answer before you pick big or small
[04:58:44] <terr_> would be 3400 for the package - about the same as the sherline.
[04:59:04] <cradek> terr_: the sherline can go on your kitchen table when you want to cut a part, it's a totally different world
[04:59:06] <terr_> I don't know the answer to that question. Probably I'll think of something.
[04:59:21] <terr_> true - with the big one I'll need a fork lift.
[04:59:24] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, what brightness and color?
[04:59:24] <cradek> haha you sound like me
[04:59:51] <jmkasunich> get the biggest machine you have indoor heated space for
[04:59:57] <Jymmm> SWPadnos 2mm hi-efficiency red difussed
[05:00:06] <Jymmm> axial leads
[05:00:07] <cradek> heated AND cooled if you're from around here
[05:00:11] <jmkasunich> if you live in an apartment get a sherline
[05:00:12] <sersport> giacus: will give me your e-mail?
[05:00:24] <terr_> I have 670 square feet of shop space.
[05:00:34] <sersport> its mine: [email protected]
[05:00:41] <giacus> sersport: is always on the website you seen before
[05:00:42] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, do you know the brightness (millicandela, usually)?
[05:00:47] <jmkasunich> on the ground floor? (moving 1000lb machines up/down steps sucks)
[05:00:53] <terr_> I just don't know if I want to tie the space up with a mill and lathe.
[05:01:04] <Jymmm> SWPadnos that's all I got http://www.surplusled.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=L080TR4B&Category_Code=
[05:01:22] <terr_> in my garage - it has an in floor radiant heating system and is wired for 220
[05:01:27] <sersport> which adress of website?
[05:01:33] <SWPadnos> is that lead style what you need, or is it just cheap?
[05:01:36] <cradek> terr_: with sherline stuff, you can get the mill and lathe, set them both on a desk, and actually learn to machine parts
[05:01:38] <giacus> http://giacus.altervista.org/photo/
[05:01:58] <giacus> replace 'at' with @
[05:02:10] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: I'm needing to play and get samples. I'm trying to replace CCFL
[05:02:18] <terr_> ya I know - I like the idea of the small stuff.
[05:02:28] <SWPadnos> eek - 6 millicandela - that's nothing
[05:02:30] <cradek> terr_: one of my first projects on the sherline is a simple engine that runs on compressed air - there's a book by sherline that is good and includes some simple plans
[05:02:32] <terr_> If I need the large stuff I will know why.
[05:02:44] <Jymmm> SWPadnos where did you see that?
[05:02:50] <cradek> err first projects ... was
[05:02:51] <SWPadnos> in the link for more info ;)
[05:02:51] <terr_> why did you want to have a compressed air machine?
[05:03:09] <terr_> I think the book is tabletop milling
[05:03:21] <SWPadnos> they list at $0.20 each, so it's a good price
[05:03:28] <cradek> it's the size of a thumb, you spray air into it, it spins, it's cool
[05:03:28] <SWPadnos> but very dim
[05:03:30] <cradek> no reason
[05:03:32] <terr_> pardon - tabletop machining. I'm getting it from the library.
[05:03:41] <Jymmm> SWPadnos I need BRIGHTNESS!
[05:03:46] <terr_> oh - a turbine?
[05:03:59] <cradek> yes that's the book - do you have it there?
[05:03:59] <Jymmm> SWPadnos pref white, but might accept red
[05:04:01] <SWPadnos> just as a comparison, I have red LEDs that are 11000 mcd or thereabouts
[05:04:11] <SWPadnos> (yes, 11 thousand)
[05:04:12] <cradek> not a turbine - it has a piston
[05:04:28] <Jymmm> SWPadnos and whats that compared to a 6" CCFL ?
[05:04:36] <cradek> the rocking action of the "cylinder head" opens and closes the "valves"
[05:04:56] <terr_> cradek: oh - ok - I'd like to build a little turbine. Mazda is bringing out a hybred with a wankle and it would be nice to throw out the wankle and put in a turbine.
[05:04:57] <cradek> a fun first project (but needs both lathe and mill)
[05:05:04] <SWPadnos> using a few hundred LEDs, we were able to essentially illuminate a theater through an orage cloth pumpkin
[05:05:19] <SWPadnos> orange
[05:05:23] <terr_> with the mill you should be able to build hte lathe
[05:05:38] <cradek> probably, except for its size...
[05:05:49] <SWPadnos> they're bright. I can see just fine in my ~200 sf office, with two or three pointing at the ceiling
[05:05:50] <cradek> you'd end up with a pretty darn small lathe
[05:05:55] <Jymmm> SWPadnos humore me and prefix my nick so it'll highlight =)
[05:06:02] <terr_> are there any parts ont he lathe that are too big for the mill? other than the base...
[05:06:24] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, not like a 100W bulb, but you can't look at it without getting spots for a while
[05:06:29] <terr_> you could build the chuck on the mill.
[05:06:33] <cradek> I doubt you could build a lathe on just a mill - for instance you can't cut threads
[05:07:00] <terr_> sure you should be able to cut threads - just program the travel.
[05:07:02] <Jymmm> SWPadnos I'm looking to replace a 6" CCFL, with LEDs, no idea on qty or even if they'll be bright enough.
[05:07:06] <cradek> true, with cnc you can do a lot - helical thread cutting, the spirals for the chuck
[05:07:16] <cradek> sorry, thinking of the non-cnc world
[05:07:20] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, how many watts is the CCFL?
[05:07:29] <terr_> oh - non-cnc would be tough
[05:07:49] <Jymmm> SWPadnos no clue - got nothign that will read amperage at 20K volts
[05:07:53] <cradek> I can't believe what people used to make without cnc
[05:08:03] <terr_> they were very cleaver.
[05:08:16] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, 6" screen backlight?
[05:08:28] <terr_> but I see even now that most machines are non-cnc. There are more non-programmers int eh world than programmers
[05:08:36] <Jymmm> SWPadnos basically yeah
[05:08:42] <Jymmm> SWPadnos brb coffee....
[05:08:51] <cradek> terr_: yes, cnc is an interesting mix of machining and programming
[05:08:58] <cradek> terr_: are you a programmer type?
[05:09:02] <terr_> I'm a programmer
[05:09:24] <terr_> I figure a mill is not going to be any harder than a plotter.
[05:09:32] <SWPadnos> oops
[05:09:39] <SWPadnos> add one extra dimension there ')
[05:09:41] <SWPadnos> ;)
[05:09:41] <cradek> getting it to move where you want, no -- getting it to cut a part, definitely harder
[05:10:02] <terr_> all I need to know is the feed speed.
[05:10:15] <terr_> I did some lathe work a few years ago - it was pretty easy.
[05:10:45] <terr_> The guy who taught the class asked me to teach it ona couple occasions when he couldn't be there - I was the only non-professional!
[05:11:13] <terr_> IT was a shopsmith - probably build around wwII
[05:11:19] <cradek> I also took a few classes (community college) when I started wanting to machine seriously - it was very helpful
[05:11:35] <terr_> THere is a robotics group here.
[05:11:36] <cradek> you kind of need an old guy to show you how to do it at first
[05:11:56] <cradek> of course our lathes were WWII vintage too, aren't they all?
[05:12:01] <terr_> unforthnately the guy has now turned himself into a nursing home - he's in his 80's
[05:12:16] <terr_> they still worked very well
[05:12:25] <cradek> yep
[05:12:33] <terr_> It was a lot of fun.
[05:12:39] <sersport> giacus: how I could to send you my foto?
[05:12:41] <cradek> my own lathe is probably that old too, doesn't matter, they still work fine
[05:13:00] <terr_> I would probably use it to make molds for injection plastic molding - maybe make the whole shitteroo
[05:13:02] <giacus> sersport: use the mail, attachment
[05:13:13] <terr_> I don't own one.
[05:13:23] <cradek> what size molds? you're really limited especially in Y travel
[05:13:38] <terr_> But looking at how sherline has done things - a stepper can be added to any manual mahine.
[05:13:38] <cradek> three inches or something like that?
[05:13:45] <cradek> yeah, that's really nice
[05:13:59] <terr_> probably about max 8" in diameter
[05:14:05] <cradek> if you weren't a programmer, I would suggest you get the manual machine and learn to use it first
[05:14:05] <terr_> I
[05:14:32] <cradek> but that part will be easy for you, so you can learn both at the same time with no problem
[05:14:36] <terr_> m looking to manufacture a product and it will be a washer about 5-6ID adn 7-8 OD and 1/4 inch think
[05:14:36] <sersport> your e-mail: I didnt find it
[05:15:06] <cradek> cutting an 8" circle is way, way too big for a sherline mill
[05:15:19] <giacus> sersport: [email protected]
[05:15:31] <terr_> I was thinking about interfacing the steppers to the machine and just writing drivers. I've done this before for plotters.
[05:15:40] <terr_> oh really?
[05:15:51] <sersport> ok
[05:15:53] <jmkasunich> cutting an 8" circle out of 1/4" stock on either a lathe or mill is not verry effecient
[05:15:56] <terr_> I thought a 2000 would do it.
[05:16:07] <jmkasunich> what material is the washer?
[05:16:24] <terr_> jmkasunich: well that is why I'm asking. I don't know anything about these little machines.
[05:16:27] <cradek> the table is only 2.75" wide
[05:16:30] <terr_> plastic.
[05:16:39] <terr_> Mold might be aluminum.
[05:16:58] <Jymmm> SWPadnos ok, back
[05:17:03] <cradek> ok, wasn't thinking about the 2000
[05:17:05] <terr_> IF I send it out the mold will probably cost over $5000
[05:17:09] <jmkasunich> oh, you don't want the mill to make the washers, you want it to make the mold
[05:17:15] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4620989832
[05:17:16] <terr_> ya.
[05:17:18] <jmkasunich> how many washers do you need to make?
[05:17:35] <jmkasunich> 10, 100, 1000, 10000?
[05:17:44] <terr_> I don't know. Its a new product and might sell close to zero or might sell over a million copies
[05:17:59] <jmkasunich> what kind of plastic?
[05:18:39] <terr_> IF I get up there I'll have to make an injection plastic mold that is about 2 fett high and a foot in diameter - that is the cavity size - tiny little viens in the cavity - like a web
[05:18:42] <terr_> HDPE
[05:19:02] <terr_> That would be a fun mold.
[05:19:09] <jmkasunich> so its not _just_ a washer
[05:19:45] <jmkasunich> to me a washer is a flat part with a round OD, a round ID, and a constant thickness
[05:19:46] <terr_> I can buy everything but the washer - if sales volumes go way up I'd have to make the whole sitteroo in an injection molding machine.
[05:20:18] <jmkasunich> if its just a flat washer there are cheaper ways than injection molding
[05:20:18] <terr_> yup - currently just a washer then I can melt it on the rest of the material with say an ultrasound weld.
[05:20:30] <terr_> die cut it.
[05:20:58] <jmkasunich> if it is flat, and you can buy flat stock the right thickness you should be thinking either die-cutting or water-jet cutting or laser cutting, NOT molding
[05:21:01] <terr_> vaccuume form it.
[05:21:03] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: By the looks of that in the photos; it's an led evey .5"
[05:21:33] <terr_> there is a lot of waste if I cut it.
[05:21:59] <jmkasunich> there is a lot of up-front cost to mold it
[05:22:10] <jmkasunich> if volume goes way up then it might make sense
[05:22:16] <terr_> ya - very expensive molds...
[05:22:19] <jmkasunich> but how many do you need _NOT_
[05:22:23] <jmkasunich> sorry
[05:22:25] <jmkasunich> _NOW_
[05:22:34] <terr_> Oh I could use about 100
[05:23:04] <jmkasunich> can you get the plastic in 4ft x 8ft sheets?
[05:23:07] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, may be, but it looks pretty close to what you want
[05:23:13] <terr_> yes - simple HDPE
[05:23:13] <SWPadnos> too short though
[05:23:18] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Also, if you look in the palm of his hand, it doesn't seem that bright http://www.wfp76364.w1.com/TELEDYNE%20WHITE%20LED%20FLAT%20PANEL%20B1%20%234.jpg
[05:23:28] <jmkasunich> one sheet = 6 rows of 12 parts = 72
[05:23:32] <jmkasunich> two sheets is enough
[05:23:35] <terr_> same as they make milk cartons.
[05:23:47] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, that's probably as bright as the reflected light from a CCFL
[05:23:48] <Jymmm> SWPadnos let me see if I can get find the specs on the CCFL I have... just a sec...
[05:23:49] <jmkasunich> I bet a waterjet company would cut 100 pieces for $100 bucks
[05:23:50] <terr_> ya - there is a laser cutter near here too.
[05:24:07] <terr_> Not in this city.
[05:24:08] <SWPadnos> $120 canadian
[05:24:16] <terr_> no way in Calgary.
[05:24:27] <SWPadnos> $120 + a case of beer ;)
[05:24:30] <terr_> oil patch has people lined up for months.
[05:24:43] <terr_> I can cut it with my router
[05:24:59] <jmkasunich> that works too....
[05:25:16] <terr_> I can buy a hole saw - I souped up my drill press so it can handle a 16 5/8's cut
[05:25:33] <jmkasunich> my point is, buying a sherline (or other mill) to make a mold to injection mold a part for which you don't even know the long term demand... seems kinda silly
[05:25:39] <terr_> if I had a nice sherline I could make a die to cut it.
[05:25:55] <jmkasunich> a sherline isn't that good for largish stuff
[05:26:04] <terr_> I can get two peices of pipe from metal supermarket and sharpen them
[05:26:33] <terr_> I can even use tin snips.
[05:27:04] <sersport> giacus: I send for you my foto
[05:27:05] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Ok, just a guestimate here, but about 15,000 cd/m^2
[05:27:09] <Jymmm> brb
[05:27:28] <terr_> I cut some 1/16th nylatron to make a bearinbg for my bar stools and used tin snips - it would great.
[05:27:51] <terr_> worked.
[05:28:08] <A-L-P-H-A> so much chatter in here.
[05:28:11] <A-L-P-H-A> what's going on?
[05:28:15] <A-L-P-H-A> must be new blood
[05:28:19] <terr_> A-L-P-H-A: welcome back
[05:28:25] <giacus> sersport: ok
[05:28:27] <Jymmm> We have a 10 hour old cockatiel we're having to hand feed every hour. Gonna be a LONG night.
[05:28:43] <SWPadnos> bummer
[05:28:51] <SWPadnos> are you chewing worms up for it?
[05:29:04] <SWPadnos> now, spit!
[05:29:10] <Jymmm> yep! baby bird formula
[05:29:18] <SWPadnos> mmmmm mmmmm good
[05:29:19] <sersport> Do you saw it?
[05:29:28] <Jymmm> he's pooping, so that's a very good sign.
[05:29:29] <terr_> A-L-P-H-A: funny your should say this. I cut my finger tonight... freinds were over for a stock club meeting. Last meeting at my house I cut my knucke with a pair of sizors and had to call my duaghter to take me to the hospital for stiches.
[05:29:40] <giacus> sersport: very nice
[05:29:46] <terr_> blood was quite lterally true - new blood - mine!
[05:29:54] <A-L-P-H-A> heh.
[05:30:02] <A-L-P-H-A> terr_, you need those chain mail gloves.
[05:30:05] <terr_> Jymmm: let his mother do it!
[05:30:09] <giacus> sersport: congrats, nice daughter :)
[05:30:17] <terr_> haha - I was cutting red peppers
[05:30:50] <Jymmm> terr_ Actually both parents take turns; but this pair have never had a baby before , and the mom is a punk!
[05:30:56] <terr_> good thing they were red - couldn't see the blood
[05:31:11] <sersport> thanks
[05:31:21] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, 15000 cd/m^2 is very high. like 60x as bright as a nice new Dell 2405FPW
[05:31:24] <terr_> Jymmm: dogs have been doing this for a few million years. She probably doens't need you
[05:31:49] <SWPadnos> it's acockatiel, not a cocker spaniel ;)
[05:31:53] <Jymmm> terr bullshit.... it would have died. domestic Cockatiels are that way.
[05:32:00] <terr_> hmm - I could call up my daugher and tell her I cut my finger again.
[05:32:19] <terr_> oh a bird. Well birds have been around for over 60 million years.
[05:32:41] <terr_> Jymmm: I don't know much about birds.
[05:32:47] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Yeah, very bright. Now you know what I'm up againest replacing it with LEDs
[05:32:52] <terr_> but I know they have been around for over 60 million years.
[05:33:15] <Jymmm> terr_ we have 17+1 cockatiels and 3 parrots. Been doin this for a lil while =)
[05:33:16] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, is it actually that much brighter than a *very* bright LCD screen?
[05:33:28] <terr_> I think I should build a robot knife
[05:33:33] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, I can hardly look at my Dells, I had to turn them down to just about minimum
[05:33:49] <Jymmm> SWPadnos I'd say about the same as a CCFL in a laptop.
[05:34:11] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, if it's that low, then it's probably closer to 250-500 cd/m^2
[05:34:26] <terr_> I've got some cyanoactrilate here - I guess I could glue my finger back together.
[05:34:36] <terr_> I
[05:34:47] <Jymmm> SWPadnos Um, 8K to 12K sound more about right.
[05:34:49] <terr_> ve also got some structural adhesive for PP and PE
[05:35:15] <SWPadnos> http://cgi.ebay.com/PURE-WHITE-LEDs-100-x-18000-MCD-Ultra-Bright-5mm-Led_W0QQitemZ7516806086QQcategoryZ66952QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[05:35:58] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/motion.c: Modified motion controller module so it doesn't add its own HAL functions to the realtime threads, instead it expects the user (or HAL config file) to do that, just like every other HAL module.
[05:36:27] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Ok what is MCD ~= cd/m^2 ???
[05:36:55] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, it's a millicandela. divide by the area it hits to get the brightness
[05:36:59] <terr_> are teh hand controls ona big mill harder to turn than on a little mill like a sherline?
[05:37:16] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, so if this were shining evenly on a m^2, it would be 18 cd/m^2
[05:37:24] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/configs/ (21 files in 12 dirs): Modified all stock configurations so they explicitly add the motion controller functions to the servo thread.
[05:37:36] <terr_> SWPadnos: whgat is sunlight? I just know whatts
[05:37:38] <terr_> watts
[05:37:47] <SWPadnos> not sure - it's a lot
[05:37:48] <terr_> I
[05:37:55] <jmkasunich> about 1kW/m^2
[05:37:58] <Jymmm> SWPadnos so about 10x LESS than the ccfl?
[05:37:58] <terr_> m starting to feel tired - must be the blood loss.
[05:38:07] <SWPadnos> per LED
[05:38:22] <terr_> sunlight at the equator ona clear day is about 1000 watts per m^2
[05:38:30] <Jymmm> right, so 100 LED == 1800
[05:38:32] <SWPadnos> shine 10 of them on 1 square meter, and it's the same brightness
[05:38:50] <jmkasunich> SWP: 10 of what?
[05:38:54] <SWPadnos> shine one on 1/10 m^2, and it's 180 cd/m^2
[05:38:58] <SWPadnos> 10 LEDs
[05:38:58] <terr_> no way!
[05:39:01] <jmkasunich> nfw
[05:39:11] <SWPadnos> 18000 mcd each
[05:39:12] <jmkasunich> that would mean 100W each, assuming 100% efficiency
[05:39:20] <SWPadnos> huh?
[05:39:24] <Jymmm> 1800 mcd
[05:39:27] <jmkasunich> oops
[05:39:33] <SWPadnos> not W/m^2, cd/m^2
[05:39:36] <terr_> you have to be talking milliwatts for a led. Mini florescents are up to about 23 watts
[05:39:53] <SWPadnos> no, millicandela - total light output in thousandths of a candela
[05:39:56] <jmkasunich> we were talking about the brightnesss of the sun, and you said "shine 10 LEDs on 1m^2 and get the same brightness"
[05:40:01] <SWPadnos> heh
[05:40:05] <Jymmm> ok 18 cd/m^2 per LED @ 100 leds == 1800 cd/m^2
[05:40:07] <SWPadnos> same as a CCFL backlight ;)
[05:40:19] <jmkasunich> thats more like it
[05:40:23] <SWPadnos> wait a sec there jymmm
[05:40:25] <Jymmm> SWPadnos I need 8000 cd/m^2
[05:40:32] <SWPadnos> how big is your screen?
[05:40:42] <Jymmm> SWPadnos it's not for a screen
[05:40:49] <terr_> ya - I thought you had invented a perpetual motion machine! Just use your magic LEDS to power a solar collector!
[05:40:51] <SWPadnos> ok, how big a surface
[05:40:51] <terr_> haha
[05:40:58] <Jymmm> SWPadnos I'm using a 6" CCFL
[05:40:59] <sersport> giacus: I must to go. Thank you. Bye.
[05:41:15] <SWPadnos> that's a tube, or a backlilght?
[05:41:18] <terr_> I'm off. too tired - too much blood loss I think.
[05:41:23] <giacus> sersport: was a pleasure to talk to you, have a nice day
[05:41:33] <terr_> bye all - thanx
[05:41:56] <Jymmm> SWPadnos .100" diameter 6" long ccfl tube
[05:42:05] <giacus> well .. the sun is up :D
[05:42:14] <SWPadnos> see you terr_
[05:42:30] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, ok. with reflector on the back side?
[05:42:47] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: No, but I'll be adding one eventually
[05:43:38] <SWPadnos> ok
[05:43:51] <Jymmm> uh oh
[05:43:58] <SWPadnos> well, If you're not in a hurry, I can show you some very bright LEDs in a couple of weeks
[05:44:57] <Jymmm> SWPadnos Um, this tube might actually be 30,000 cd/m^2
[05:45:12] <SWPadnos> that would blind you
[05:45:21] <Jymmm> it's damn bright
[05:45:48] <SWPadnos> these 11000 mcd LEDs I have seem almost as bright as a laser
[05:46:28] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: My signle AA battery LED flashlight is pretty bright too
[05:46:53] <SWPadnos> yes
[05:47:08] <SWPadnos> like I said, if you're not in a hurry, I can bring some samples for you to look at
[05:47:09] <Jymmm> and blinding when you look at it, but not bright enough compared to this CCFL, but it's not bliding
[05:47:26] <Jymmm> SWPadnos are they available after the samples?
[05:47:40] <SWPadnos> the CCFL has more total light output, even though the intensity of the LED may be brighter in places
[05:47:45] <SWPadnos> yes, I got them on eBay
[05:48:16] <Jymmm> SWPadnos bring em. If nothing else can use them as acomparison.
[05:48:36] <Jymmm> SWPadnos I'm gonna make some calls tomorrow and gets some samples as well.
[05:48:49] <SWPadnos> I'll bring a couple of cards with about 30 LEDs each, in various colors
[05:49:17] <Jymmm> rainbow =)
[05:49:42] <SWPadnos> yeah, blinding rainbow ;)
[05:50:18] <Jymmm> I might have to use RED just due to the brightness they offer over white LEDs
[05:51:13] <Jymmm> these CCFL are expensive, especially with the inverter; LEDs would be much easier
[05:51:17] <SWPadnos> is this for human vision?
[05:51:26] <SWPadnos> or the birds?
[05:51:36] <Jymmm> both
[05:51:55] <SWPadnos> ok.
[05:51:56] <Jymmm> mostly human, birds are 2nd thought project
[05:52:05] <SWPadnos> humans are more sensitive to green, so they seem brighter
[05:52:29] <Jymmm> ah, i think my flashlight said somethign about that.
[05:52:47] <Jymmm> it's white led though
[05:53:28] <SWPadnos> like I said, I can see just fine in a 200SFroom (with brown carpet) with a few of these pointing at the ceiling
[05:53:37] <SWPadnos> 200 square foot room
[05:54:04] <jmkasunich> what color are they?
[05:54:20] <Jymmm> SWPadnos 38K http://www.lcdpart.com/Products/ms30157.html
[05:54:30] <SWPadnos> each one throws about as half much light as a 4-D cell kryptonite light
[05:54:50] <SWPadnos> I have yellow, 3 shades of blue, violet, green, red, and white
[05:55:05] <SWPadnos> though the blues look pretty similar to me
[05:55:21] <SWPadnos> all are 8000mcd or higher
[05:56:00] <Jymmm> Hmmm, I'm wondering if I can measure the brightness with my camera some how?
[05:56:12] <SWPadnos> set it to manual exposure ;)
[05:56:27] <Jymmm> should I try it?
[05:57:02] <Jymmm> eh
[05:57:31] <giacus> Jymmm: Iso settings ?
[05:57:35] <Jymmm> so that page and another page have the brightness about the same for this size tube... 32K to 28K
[05:57:53] <Jymmm> err 32K to 38K
[05:58:07] <Jymmm> giacus whatever I set it to =)
[05:58:28] <giacus> thats the only thing I guess
[05:59:01] <giacus> in some case isnt enough
[05:59:22] <giacus> for what I seen my sony cybershot has the same issue
[05:59:24] <Jymmm> I dont know the calculations personally.
[05:59:35] <giacus> isnt difficult
[05:59:35] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, you could get some luxeon stars, but they're pretty expensive
[05:59:40] <Jymmm> I should get a light meter sometime
[05:59:49] <Jymmm> SWPadnos what $4/ea?
[06:00:18] <Jymmm> * Jymmm brb
[06:00:35] <SWPadnos> more, probably
[06:01:06] <giacus> gimp solve all
[06:01:22] <giacus> is my friend :P
[06:05:33] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Ouch... more than the CCFL and invertor.
[06:05:38] <Jymmm> s/op/er/
[06:05:40] <SWPadnos> very expensive
[06:05:42] <Jymmm> bah
[06:05:58] <SWPadnos> that's why I designed controllers and carrier boards for standard ultra bright LEDS ;)
[06:06:31] <SWPadnos> an ebay search for ultra white LED -(flashlight, panel) gets you a pretty good set of hits
[06:06:42] <Jymmm> SWPadnos whats the spacing on these carrier boards? or are they a grid?
[06:07:00] <SWPadnos> 36 total LEDs, depending on the voltage you drive it at
[06:07:23] <Jymmm> SWPadnos in a straight line or a grid pattern?
[06:07:28] <giacus> sluurp
[06:07:30] <SWPadnos> 6 columns of 5 or 6, you can gang 2 columns to get a single 10,11,or 12 LED group
[06:07:32] <SWPadnos> grid
[06:07:35] <giacus> * giacus got the coffee
[06:07:59] <Jymmm> I need to get the camera ready for the next time we feed the baby...
[06:08:21] <SWPadnos> one thing about cd/m^2 ratings - they're often bogus
[06:08:28] <LawrenceG> hi guys... talking of leds and cnc, check http://members.shaw.ca/swstuff/lightbar.html ... 480 leds!
[06:08:34] <SWPadnos> how much area does that tube have?
[06:09:17] <SWPadnos> the name "emergency light bar" makes me thing of a DJ who forgot something ;)
[06:09:17] <LawrenceG> that led plastic mount was all done with emc
[06:09:27] <SWPadnos> cool
[06:09:42] <giacus> LawrenceG: nice
[06:09:54] <giacus> I already know of it
[06:10:11] <giacus> Ive see that sufring your website ;P
[06:10:20] <giacus> surfing*
[06:10:29] <LawrenceG> hey... fingers were very sore afterpushing all the led's into the holes
[06:10:47] <SWPadnos> smt, baby (but nowhere near as bright)
[06:11:02] <Jymmm> LawrenceG is the animed cop car the actually result?
[06:11:15] <SWPadnos> oh, the face
[06:11:24] <LawrenceG> I am just getting into smt stuff... did second board today
[06:11:39] <SWPadnos> saves a lot of space, and assembly cost
[06:12:00] <LawrenceG> yea... parts are cheaper as well
[06:12:18] <SWPadnos> also very true
[06:12:23] <LawrenceG> ebay has been good for pickingup reeels of caps, resistors
[06:12:24] <Jymmm> LawrenceG is the animed cop car the actually result?
[06:12:38] <LawrenceG> no... thatwas just some bling added
[06:12:43] <SWPadnos> generally only the larger sizes, like 1206 or 0804
[06:12:56] <SWPadnos> though I have seen some 0603 as well
[06:13:05] <Jymmm> LawrenceG WTH.... wheres the pics of it all fired up?
[06:13:21] <LawrenceG> not sure if there is a rush to dump lead parts right now
[06:14:15] <LawrenceG> Jymmm: I should do a little video of it on the truck.... I did it in all amber leds so ther is less chance of being arrested
[06:14:37] <Jymmm> LawrenceG damn....
[06:14:52] <SWPadnos> wow - there are actually surface mount 10000 mcd LEDs - cool!
[06:14:59] <SWPadnos> they're $10 each though
[06:15:05] <Jymmm> OUCH!
[06:15:17] <LawrenceG> the project started out with a friend of mine that wanted one for the fire dept... they ended up buying one instead
[06:15:19] <SWPadnos> 1 watt is pretty big for an LED
[06:15:23] <Jymmm> LawrenceG what the the lightbar draw total?
[06:15:32] <Jymmm> amperage wise
[06:15:40] <LawrenceG> 3 amps @ 12v
[06:15:48] <Jymmm> that's not bad at all
[06:15:56] <LawrenceG> depending on light pattern of course
[06:15:57] <SWPadnos> hmmm - were the columns in series?
[06:16:26] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.lloydleung.com/?p=111 hahahhaa
[06:16:38] <LawrenceG> yea 4 in series with resistor
[06:16:40] <A-L-P-H-A> pure awesomeness. his super power is just awesome!
[06:17:03] <SWPadnos> too bad it's a stupid MS Embed video
[06:17:25] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, not my fault, it's from another sire
[06:17:29] <SWPadnos> which doesn't work for me, since I'm too stubborn to install Media player 1743
[06:17:37] <SWPadnos> or whatever it is now ;)
[06:18:57] <LawrenceG> anyway guys.... I am off to bed.... been a busy day
[06:19:04] <SWPadnos> nighty night
[06:19:08] <Jymmm> G'Night LawrenceG
[06:19:12] <SWPadnos> urk - me, too, I think
[06:19:21] <Jymmm> SWPadnos thanks
[06:19:27] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, did you catch the thing about the CFFL mcd artings?
[06:19:31] <SWPadnos> ratings
[06:19:35] <SWPadnos> you're welcomd
[06:19:37] <SWPadnos> e
[06:19:38] <Jymmm> being bogus?
[06:19:40] <SWPadnos> dammit
[06:19:43] <SWPadnos> yeah
[06:20:05] <SWPadnos> look at the area of the tube, and see how many cd that might be, at 38k/square meter ;)
[06:20:12] <Jymmm> yeah, Im just using as a comparison, the real test will be 100% pure visual thing
[06:20:31] <SWPadnos> I'll look for a carrier with at least one white string
[06:20:38] <Jymmm> cool
[06:20:41] <SWPadnos> do you have a variable power supply?
[06:20:53] <Jymmm> 5 - 15VDC @ 3A
[06:20:56] <Jymmm> 5 - 15VDC @ 30A
[06:21:01] <SWPadnos> perfect
[06:21:36] <Jymmm> =)
[06:21:37] <SWPadnos> I think most of the cards I have are set for 24V, but I should have some that are 12V, or we can change resistors or something
[06:22:08] <Jymmm> I have a 24V xfmr around here somewhere oh and a 24VDC @ 3a ps
[06:22:29] <SWPadnos> ok - that last might be good. I'll let you know which one to detach from the CNC ;)
[06:22:49] <Jymmm> lol, make it the 12!
[06:22:57] <Jymmm> Yep the 24VDC is for the cnc
[06:22:59] <SWPadnos> the things were designed to run off a car battery or two
[06:23:20] <SWPadnos> is the variable part of the CNC?
[06:23:34] <Jymmm> Yeah, I know I should have bought that 0-60VDC @ 40A PS
[06:23:44] <Jymmm> but it was 50 lbs
[06:23:52] <SWPadnos> that's pretty big, mine is only 18A ;)
[06:24:08] <SWPadnos> that's still 1KW of fine regulated lab power
[06:24:14] <Jymmm> lol
[06:24:28] <SWPadnos> anyway. I'll look at that some other time. time for bed
[06:24:29] <Jymmm> I have a small place or I would have bought it
[06:24:31] <SWPadnos> night
[06:24:33] <Jymmm> g'night
[06:24:35] <SWPadnos> heh
[06:26:37] <SWPadnos> http://cgi.ebay.com/SORENSEN-DCS60-18EM1-USED-POWER-SUPPLY_W0QQitemZ7565436562QQcategoryZ58286QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[06:26:44] <SWPadnos> there's the same as mine
[06:26:50] <SWPadnos> now I'm really leaving ;)
[06:26:53] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[06:29:21] <A-L-P-H-A> really? SWP_Away? are you there? :)
[06:30:42] <Jymmm> SWP_Away bastard! Tease! =)
[06:34:11] <giacus> lol
[09:32:56] <Bo-Dick> is it true that microstepping almost eliminates the midband resonance?
[09:33:10] <fenn> no
[09:33:37] <fenn> ask jymmm about it
[09:35:39] <Bo-Dick> so there isn't really a relation between stepping resolution and resonance phenomena?
[09:36:40] <fenn> there is, but microstepping won't completely eliminate resonance problems
[09:37:09] <Bo-Dick> would it reduce resonance to neiglible levels?
[09:37:52] <fenn> no
[09:38:12] <fenn> you can get away with it though if you dont go too fast
[09:38:27] <A-L-P-H-A> Bo-Dick, are you HAVING resonance problems?
[09:38:38] <A-L-P-H-A> I would worry about it after you detect it.
[09:39:09] <Bo-Dick> no but i'm concerned since i've implemented my driver with full step only because that was the most powerful mode where all coils are energized at the same time.
[09:39:29] <A-L-P-H-A> uh?
[09:40:00] <Bo-Dick> does full-step mode suck?
[09:40:04] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll just go back to my mythbusters show.
[09:40:24] <A-L-P-H-A> full-step doesn't affect the amount of force you have.
[09:41:02] <Bo-Dick> really
[09:41:06] <fenn> well, it does actually
[09:41:15] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, not much.
[09:41:19] <fenn> right
[09:42:38] <Bo-Dick> since my motors are so weak i've optimized all parameters. the coils will be connected in parallel and they run bipolar, full-step mode since that was why i thought as the most powerful mode that exists.
[10:34:49] <giacus> giacus is now known as giacus_afk
[10:59:34] <anonimasu> * anonimasu got a shitload of plastic today
[13:37:32] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[13:50:33] <Bo-Dick> are the details about the geckodrive commercial sensitive proprietary information or are the details well known among CNC enthusiasts?
[13:51:10] <SWPadnos> Mariss talks about the design, but he's not going to tell you how to copy his drive
[13:51:15] <SWPadnos> he frowns on that
[13:51:53] <Bo-Dick> is mariss the designer behind the geckos?
[13:51:54] <anonimasu> Bo-Dick: you realize you've spent more time researching how to copy the drive then the time you could have been working to get enough cash to buy geckos :9
[13:51:56] <anonimasu> yeah
[13:51:59] <anonimasu> :)
[13:52:11] <anonimasu> too bad the comparsion of the gecko clones arent online anymore
[13:52:57] <anonimasu> that rocked :)
[13:54:13] <SWPadnos> yeah, he really tore them apart (literally ;) )
[13:54:43] <anonimasu> that might have shown you a bit or two..
[13:55:28] <jepler> anonimasu: An imageless version is still on archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/20040515055135/http://geckodrive.com/whyg201.htm
[13:55:42] <Bo-Dick> well at the beginning i thought stepper drivers were pretty simple. i was pretty wrong...
[13:56:05] <anonimasu> read that page :)
[13:56:15] <SWPadnos> many things are more complex than they first appear ;)
[13:56:24] <anonimasu> servodrives ;)
[13:56:57] <anonimasu> odrive-2000 Results:
[13:56:57] <anonimasu>
[13:56:58] <anonimasu> CAUTION: The following scope picture captures the death of a step motor drive. These graphic images may be unsuitable for children and sensitive adults. It is rated for mature viewers only.
[13:57:04] <anonimasu> too bad the images are gone
[13:57:14] <jepler> yeah it's too bad
[13:57:48] <jepler> I heard there's a pdf version called "G201 vs. PirateDrive_2000.pdf" but I couldn't find it
[13:57:54] <SWPadnos> I can't find the PDF anywhere - it nas some nice scope traces
[13:58:11] <SWPadnos> it's called "G201 vs PirateDrive_2000.pdf"
[14:00:29] <anonimasu> :)
[14:02:20] <fenn> how the heck am i supposed to get timing belt pulleys if msc doesn't even have them
[14:02:30] <SWPadnos> sdp-si.com
[14:02:32] <fenn> they backordered all of them
[14:02:42] <SWPadnos> bummer. how about mcmaster.com
[14:02:54] <fenn> nope. checking on sdp-si again
[14:02:58] <SWPadnos> MSC has a pretty crappy selection
[14:03:09] <fenn> msc has them, and for super cheap too, but they're backordered
[14:03:19] <SWPadnos> ah
[14:03:31] <fenn> i really hate sdp-si's websty
[14:03:44] <SWPadnos> its a very slow and annoying site
[14:03:55] <SWPadnos> I wish everyone had a simple and functional interface like DigiKey
[14:04:18] <SWPadnos> plus the ability to sort by price, which DK is missing
[14:04:24] <fenn> yeah, like digikey with a price sort :)
[14:04:30] <fenn> bastards
[14:04:35] <SWPadnos> h3eh
[14:04:37] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:04:39] <SWPadnos> h3h
[14:04:41] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[14:04:44] <SWPadnos> how stupid
[14:04:46] <fenn> #3#3#3
[14:04:55] <SWPadnos> what's that in unicode? ;)
[14:05:07] <SWPadnos> hmmm - are ther eunicode chars for smilies?
[14:05:14] <SWPadnos> ... there unicode ...
[14:06:16] <fenn> ?????
[14:06:27] <jepler> U+263a, U+263b
[14:06:29] <SWPadnos> yes, there are ;)
[14:06:42] <SWPadnos> and 2368 for squiggle-face :/
[14:07:00] <jepler> 2639 is FROWNING
[14:07:13] <fenn> oh, way to provoke racial conflict, unicode designers
[14:07:17] <SWPadnos> it's not a very good representation of that
[14:07:32] <jepler> SWPadnos: that character you just mentioned is APL FUNCTIONAL SYMBOL TILDE DIAERESIS
[14:07:39] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:07:41] <jepler> how could you confuse that for a smiley??!
[14:07:44] <SWPadnos> gotta love APL
[14:08:01] <fenn> 2639 is a pac-man
[14:08:11] <fenn> oops thats 2369
[14:08:29] <jepler> hah
[14:09:01] <jepler> there are a number of APL ... DIAERESIS characters that look like faces
[14:09:06] <SWPadnos> a write-only language, if I've ever seen one
[14:09:07] <jepler> two varying degrees of "surprise"
[14:09:08] <SWPadnos> not that it's even writable
[14:09:11] <anonimasu> hm too bad irssi dosent support unicode..
[14:09:20] <anonimasu> ;) or it might be putty ;)
[14:09:37] <SWPadnos> putty definitely doesn't, at least not the version I have
[14:09:39] <jepler> anonimasu: you can set your encoding to UTF-8 just fine, but it seems like latin-1 dominates the channel
[14:09:51] <anonimasu> hehe
[14:09:54] <anonimasu> yeah
[14:09:55] <cradek> irssi will even translate from one encoding to another for you
[14:10:08] <anonimasu> I know I've seen japaneese on irssi..
[14:10:14] <anonimasu> but never tried it :)
[14:12:03] <jepler> anonimasu: how's your japanese? any good?
[14:12:16] <anonimasu> it's horrid, I can get some words when spoken
[14:12:22] <anonimasu> but apart from that nothing at all :)
[14:12:36] <jepler> oh .. too bad. I'm still always hoping to find somebody to do other translations of axis.
[14:13:16] <anonimasu> :)
[14:13:27] <fenn> i may attempt a translation some time
[14:13:28] <SWPadnos> I can probably get a lot of stuff translated by my sister, but she won't know the more technical terms
[14:13:43] <jepler> yeah .. you need to know the language *and* the technical terms in that language
[14:13:48] <fenn> already did tkemc, so its part-way done already
[14:13:54] <fenn> at least that way it'll be consistently wrong
[14:14:00] <jepler> :-P yeah
[14:14:28] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:14:28] <fenn> tomp's right though, the fonts are horrible
[14:14:51] <skunkworks> browsing the cvs isn't working this morning :(
[14:15:03] <fenn> so, what's new guys?
[14:15:18] <fenn> ;)
[14:16:03] <jepler> fenn: I wrote a g-code quick reference that fits on one sheet of paper. http://axis.unpy.net/files//gcode.html
[14:16:08] <jepler> (huh, I wonder why there's a double slash in the URL...)
[14:16:18] <fenn> anyone know the legal implications of selling a kit of parts to make something that's patented?
[14:16:30] <jepler> bbl
[14:17:49] <SWPadnos> fenn, probably OK, as long as you don't tell them how to put it together ;)
[14:17:59] <fenn> what's the point then?
[14:18:13] <fenn> how bout you sell it, and i tell them how to put i together
[14:18:13] <SWPadnos> heh - it's probably not allowed
[14:18:26] <SWPadnos> you'd need to license that technology then
[14:18:29] <SWPadnos> presumably
[14:19:35] <fenn> patents are really hard to come to terms with when you see how everything's just a bunch of parts
[14:19:42] <SWPadnos> yes
[14:21:38] <Bo-Dick> pretty intresting article you gave me
[14:29:08] <anonimasu> yep
[14:32:57] <K4ts> giacus hey
[15:38:00] <skunkworks> With the new tp - what is the differnce between g61 and g64 now? (how does g61 behave?)
[15:39:03] <cradek> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?TrajectoryControl
[15:39:38] <jepler> hm. Is g61 exact path or exact stop? I have g61 as exact path, g61.1 as exact stop, on my quick reference.
[15:40:10] <jepler> http://www.isd.mel.nist.gov/personnel/kramer/pubs/RS274NGC_3.web/RS274NGC_33a.html#1013869
[15:40:11] <skunkworks> that was my question as I was looking at jeplers gcode page ;) - nice work
[15:40:15] <cradek> jepler: you've got them backwards
[15:40:37] <cradek> jepler: and g61.1 is not implemented - you can get that with G64 P(small)
[15:40:48] <jepler> "Program G61 to put the machining center into exact path mode, G61.1 for exact stop mode, or G64 for continuous mode." -- kramer
[15:41:25] <cradek> hmm, oops
[15:49:18] <jepler> since I intend to document emc2, not the Kramer interpreter, should I change it?
[15:53:22] <rayh> g61.1 is/was a gcode standard command.
[15:53:32] <rayh> I wonder if some cam program still use it.
[15:57:43] <rayh> In the mitts book g61 is exact stop.
[15:57:57] <rayh> g62 is automatic corner override
[15:58:06] <rayh> g64 is cutting mode
[15:58:44] <cradek> without looking I don't know what g61.1 currently does in emc2
[15:58:47] <rayh> I suspect that g62 works a bit like the p param in emc2's system now
[15:59:05] <cradek> I know g61 gives exact stop and I bet g61.1 also gives exact stop
[16:00:29] <rayh> To bad websys is gone. We could ask if any cam programs offer 61.1
[16:03:49] <fenn> wasn't there already a parameter to g64 defined in the standard? for setting path tolerance
[16:04:55] <rayh> not that I know of.
[16:11:48] <cradek> fenn: which standard do you mean?
[16:13:01] <fenn> i thought there was something like g64.1 defined in kramer, but i must have made that up
[16:15:20] <cradek> yeah, I decided on g64 Px on a whim, and alex thought it was a good idea, so we did it
[16:15:53] <cradek> my rs274d docs (in machinery's handbook) don't say anything about g61..g64 and I don't know where else to look
[16:16:23] <skunkworks> I think with the fanuc controller g61 is exact stop and g64 is continuouse - have to look at the manual. Don't remember a 61.1
[16:18:54] <anonimasu> rayh: they do
[16:19:05] <anonimasu> rayh: atleast mastercam does
[16:19:14] <anonimasu> i am 90% sure
[16:20:47] <fenn> do any other controls accept a tolerance setting at all?
[16:22:38] <anonimasu> yeah, but I dont know if it's reserved for hsm mod
[16:22:38] <anonimasu> re4
[16:22:40] <anonimasu> mode..
[16:25:14] <rayh> I believe the tolerance mode in g64 may be unique to us.
[16:25:22] <skunkworks> g61 - exact stop mode, g62 automatic corner override, g63 tapping, g64 cutting mode. (fanuc)
[16:25:56] <rayh> anonimasu, mastercam uses g61.1?
[16:32:42] <anonimasu> rayh: should be able to use exact stop mode..
[16:32:50] <anonimasu> it's been a long while since I ran it..
[16:36:43] <rayh> skunkworks, same with mitts here.
[16:37:37] <anonimasu> bbiab
[16:37:39] <anonimasu> dinner
[16:37:42] <rayh> Our g64 does not require the p tolerance so it should work with cam output.
[16:53:38] <jepler> is g64 without p- the same as g64 pinfinity?
[16:53:53] <cradek> yes
[16:54:09] <cradek> but there's an upper limit based on the machine constraints (same thing we've always had)
[17:00:06] <fenn> if you give it a negative number for P will it go the long way around instead of rounding the corner? :)
[17:00:12] <anonimasu> lol
[17:00:56] <jepler> fenn: No, I think the test is for P <= 0, and if it is then the old behavior is used. P unspecified is the same as P == 0.
[17:00:58] <cradek> I doubt that's been tested
[17:01:22] <jepler> I had considered that P-1 could mean "but don't go slower than 1 unit/minute"
[17:01:33] <fenn> huh?
[17:01:41] <fenn> isn't P in mm or inches?
[17:01:57] <jepler> yes, positive numbers are in inches
[17:02:25] <cradek> jepler: g1x0, x1, x0 + "don't go slower than" = ??
[17:02:34] <fenn> some way to keep the speed constant but not round the corners could be useful
[17:02:37] <jepler> cradek: error?
[17:03:09] <jepler> cradek: make a weird figure-eight?
[17:03:58] <fenn> i'd say make a weird figure eight
[17:04:03] <cradek> more useful would be specifying "go to the outside" vs "go to the inside"
[17:04:15] <fenn> yeah that's what i'm saying
[17:04:23] <cradek> you want a different type of blend based on whether you're cutting inside or outside
[17:05:05] <fenn> like if you're doing a roughing pass and will pretty up the corners on the finish pass
[17:05:10] <jepler> Maybe it's not clear exactly what the implementation would do in all cases, but "keep a minimum speed no matter how poor the resulting path" seems like it might be a choice users might want to make sometimes.
[17:05:11] <fenn> you dont want to plough through the corner
[17:06:17] <jepler> when using cutter radius compensation, you know whether to keep material on the left or on the right .. but that only helps with one plane.
[17:06:55] <jepler> (does the plane apply to cutter radius compensation, or is it always in XY?
[17:06:56] <jepler> )
[17:07:22] <fenn> it's always in XY i think
[17:08:18] <fenn> Cutter radius compensation may be performed only if the XY-plane is active.
[17:08:23] <cradek> jepler: I like your Testing picture on the TrajectoryControl page
[17:08:48] <jepler> cradek: thanks. I think it inspires confidence.
[17:08:57] <fenn> i dont think its the same situation as cutter comp
[17:08:59] <jepler> or do you mean it's interesting?
[17:09:09] <fenn> a corner will always have an inside and an outside
[17:09:12] <cradek> could you put the test file there too?
[17:09:30] <jepler> umm, I suppose I could
[17:09:58] <fenn> * fenn fails miserably at communicating in english
[17:10:11] <jepler> I'm not sure which tort.ngc goes with that picture
[17:10:32] <cradek> I have one named tort-xyza I think
[17:10:43] <fenn> that is a wicked cool picture
[17:11:03] <lerman> I have a need for a program to convert a 2D image (natively a visio file of a front panel) to a 3D object readable by Alibre. The basic idea is that it would read a file (say a postscript or bitmap or whatever) that is generated by Visio. It would generate a front panel of specified thickness (say .010 inches) and raise (or engrave) areas that are black by some amount (say .002) representing...
[17:11:04] <lerman> ...the thickness of the ink. It would output an STL file (or an IGES file). The idea is that my model of the machine I'm building could then have a panel that was reasonable -- instead of just a single level of detail.
[17:11:06] <lerman> In principle. this could be extended to model differing colors in the source as different materials and just stick a bunch of components together.
[17:11:07] <lerman> So...
[17:11:09] <lerman> Do any of you have any (software) components -- or pointers to them -- that might be useful in this endeavor.
[17:11:10] <lerman> Ken
[17:12:52] <fenn> what's this look like, a mailing list!?
[17:13:33] <lerman> Sorry about that... I had a need for instant gratification and didn't think before I wrote.
[17:13:44] <cradek> I don't know anything about visio/alibre/iges
[17:14:47] <fenn> does alibre do extrusions from .dxf or .eps files?
[17:15:12] <lerman> But you do know something about stl --see: http://www.timeguy.com/cradek/stl-to-dxf. That's what made me think about this channel. What I really need is a dxf to stl converter. -- with some smarts
[17:15:35] <SWPadnos> dxf to stl would be alibre, I think
[17:15:42] <SWPadnos> load the dxf, export to stl
[17:15:44] <cradek> lerman: did you look at the program? It didn't take a lot of knowledge...
[17:16:03] <fenn> i know brlcad does something like this
[17:16:09] <lerman> I haven't looked ... yet.
[17:16:14] <fenn> but brlcad is a pain to use
[17:18:00] <lerman> Whoops -- I lied. Alibre will take an sat file; not an stl file.
[17:18:19] <fenn> yuck
[17:18:59] <lerman> I'll take a look at cradek's code and brlcad. Thanks. You may now return to the regularly schedule program :-). Regards...
[17:20:11] <fenn> take a look at volume III - principles of effective modeling page 56
[17:20:27] <fenn> http://ftp.brlcad.org/VolumeIII-Principles_of_Effective_Modeling.pdf
[17:20:38] <cradek> lerman: don't laugh
[17:21:14] <fenn> page 65 in the file
[17:32:05] <fenn> * fenn wonders if he can take sdp-si's 3d cad model and make a timing belt pulley from it
[17:35:32] <fenn> mm the answer is no, apparently
[17:36:43] <Jymmm> * Jymmm wodners what the question was
[17:36:49] <anonimasu> 2fyeah
[17:36:51] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is confused
[17:37:10] <fenn> sdp-si has 3d models of their products
[17:37:33] <fenn> so, seeing how i have a cnc machine, i wondered if i could just make my own instead of paying $7 for each pulley
[17:37:42] <anonimasu> lol
[17:37:51] <anonimasu> I dont see why not
[17:38:10] <fenn> i dont think the models have any teeth
[17:38:11] <Jymmm> pulley == lathe, no?
[17:38:19] <fenn> they're more like gears really
[17:38:35] <Jymmm> fenn flat tooth ones?
[17:38:43] <anonimasu> ah, that's a bother
[17:38:46] <fenn> https://sdp-si.com/ss/gif/plasticp.JPG
[17:38:47] <anonimasu> you can always add them
[17:38:51] <Jymmm> more like a square wave?
[17:39:00] <fenn> yeah mxl is trapezoidal tooth form
[17:39:29] <anonimasu> you need to mill the ||||
[17:39:30] <Jymmm> ah, mine are about .125" wide teeth
[17:39:54] <fenn> i'm thinking about hobbing it with a homemade hob
[17:40:01] <anonimasu> that'll work
[17:40:18] <anonimasu> got a rotary axis?
[17:40:21] <fenn> gotta make live tooling and rotary table for the lathe
[17:40:26] <cradek> if you have a rotary axis on your mill, you can cut trapezoidal teeth with three passes of an end mill
[17:40:30] <fenn> er, just rotary axis i guess
[17:40:40] <anonimasu> hm ok
[17:40:48] <anonimasu> makes it a lot more work :)
[17:40:49] <fenn> it might be involute form actually
[17:41:04] <anonimasu> hm, you should digitize/copy/measure a gear
[17:41:06] <Jymmm> I wonder if anyone has gone totally sadistic and made their own cnc... forging, winding their own motors, etc
[17:41:24] <fenn> * fenn blushes
[17:41:27] <anonimasu> Jymmm: probably
[17:41:32] <anonimasu> Jymmm: somone that's out of cash..
[17:41:34] <anonimasu> ^_^
[17:41:35] <Jymmm> growing their own silicon
[17:42:08] <Jymmm> oh man... could you imagine an H bridge made from tubes
[17:42:26] <fenn> yes, but i'd rather make a saturable reactor amplifier
[17:43:24] <bpmw> Morning folks, ubuntu install went very well last night. I have to finish with isapnp config, but all in all not a bad OS.
[17:43:51] <Jymmm> bpmw ISA?! spring for a PCI nic!
[17:44:34] <skunkworks> or video card ;)
[17:44:55] <fenn> what is the point of these bars of timing pulley stock? if you're going to the trouble of making them might as well go whole hog, or just buy individual pulleys
[17:45:14] <Jymmm> skunkworks if he has a ISA video card, he has worse problems
[17:45:25] <skunkworks> ;)
[17:45:45] <SWPadnos> fenn, if you want to make several pulleys, especially if you want non-standard widths, then the pulley stock can be a good thing
[17:46:45] <bpmw> fenn, isa nic is not hard to setup if you can run as root. not an easy task in ubuntu.
[17:47:03] <SWPadnos> sudo <set up my isa nic>
[17:47:20] <SWPadnos> the root password defaults to the same as the first user account created
[17:47:47] <anonimasu> hm I wonder if I should machine motor mounts now
[17:48:03] <SWPadnos> anonimasu, feel free to make a set for me
[17:48:04] <jepler> SWPadnos: actually, there is no root password
[17:48:05] <bpmw> yes but does not pass on root privileges.
[17:48:15] <SWPadnos> ok - I thought it defaulted the same
[17:48:16] <anonimasu> SWPadnos: I am sick of hand machining
[17:48:23] <SWPadnos> bpmw, that's why you use sudo
[17:48:23] <anonimasu> SWPadnos: everything takes time :/
[17:48:28] <jepler> SWPadnos: on ubuntu, it seems yo uenter your own password to 'sudo'.
[17:48:34] <anonimasu> so much time
[17:48:35] <SWPadnos> anonimasu, I know - my BP is still manual
[17:48:43] <jepler> bpmw: If you want to get a shell that is running as root, use 'sudo -s'.
[17:48:44] <anonimasu> :D
[17:48:54] <SWPadnos> jepler, that's why I thought it was the same as the first user
[17:49:16] <bpmw> thanks jepler, that will help.
[17:50:01] <anonimasu> the only trouble is making the bearing mounts..
[17:50:06] <anonimasu> in the plate
[17:50:43] <anonimasu> the old tooling wont fit my new mill..
[17:54:01] <bpmw> Will catch up later, I'm heading home to work on mill. Need to get Emc working for tommorow. Will probably be back this afternoon with a question or two.
[17:58:04] <anonimasu> brb
[19:21:48] <anonimasu> iab
[19:21:54] <anonimasu> almost got the milling head finished
[19:22:14] <anonimasu> I need a adapter to make it fit now
[19:22:20] <anonimasu> err to drive it..
[19:22:34] <anonimasu> then I can use normal tooling
[19:24:22] <bill2or3> you're building an entire mill head?
[19:24:44] <anonimasu> nope I got one with the mill but it wouldnt fit it was from another machine by the same company
[19:25:00] <anonimasu> I am milling with a drill head and it's way too flimsy
[19:25:00] <bill2or3> so you're modifying it?
[19:25:02] <anonimasu> yeah
[19:25:07] <bill2or3> ah.
[19:25:41] <bill2or3> what sort of modifications? better angular bearings I'd guess.
[19:25:55] <anonimasu> nope, just the mounting to the machine
[19:26:02] <anonimasu> my 2 mills were fully reconditioned when i bought them
[19:26:10] <anonimasu> + the milling head..
[19:26:14] <anonimasu> and the drilling head too..
[19:26:16] <bill2or3> ahh, ok.
[19:26:20] <anonimasu> insane..
[19:26:26] <anonimasu> the guy that had them must have been nuts..
[19:26:27] <bill2or3> I'm planning a DIY mill project, so I was curious.
[19:26:32] <anonimasu> :)
[19:26:51] <bill2or3> I haven't got anything for the head/spindle yet.
[19:26:54] <anonimasu> what kind of speed are you looking at?
[19:26:56] <anonimasu> rpm
[19:27:15] <bill2or3> maybe 2500 or so
[19:27:40] <bill2or3> I may need faster if I want to do tiny stuff, but hopefully not.
[19:27:51] <anonimasu> you dont need, you'll want :)
[19:28:05] <bill2or3> yeah, I dont need the mill at all. I just want.
[19:28:21] <anonimasu> I need the mill.. for doing prototyping for work
[19:28:24] <anonimasu> and for myself ;)
[19:30:10] <bill2or3> what model mill is it?
[19:30:22] <anonimasu> a schaublin sv13
[19:30:31] <bill2or3> * bill2or3 googles
[19:31:03] <bill2or3> oh, a real-live fullsized one, I'm just doint benchtop stuff.
[19:31:15] <anonimasu> I had one before
[19:31:17] <anonimasu> I hated it...
[19:31:18] <anonimasu> :D
[19:31:31] <anonimasu> a chineese crap-mill
[19:31:36] <anonimasu> the table werent even flat :)
[19:31:58] <bill2or3> yeah, that's what I have now.
[19:32:00] <anonimasu> it was nice to run it cnc:ed though
[19:32:04] <bill2or3> a manual one.
[19:32:23] <anonimasu> but I kind of crapped out after rebuilding the spindle..
[19:32:25] <CIA-8> 03jepler * 10emc2/scripts/torture.py:
[19:32:25] <CIA-8> revamped version, includes xyza movements and should make higher-ratio moves
[19:32:25] <CIA-8> (e.g., .1 in X and -10 in Y) and complete reversal moves more often.
[19:32:27] <bill2or3> originally I was going to convert it, but I didn't what to be without a mill during the conversion, so I decided to start from scratch.
[19:32:45] <anonimasu> yeah :)
[19:33:06] <bill2or3> I'm learning a lot in the process, mostly about how little I know.
[19:33:17] <Jymmm> * Jymmm knows that feeling
[19:33:34] <bill2or3> * bill2or3 forms a support group.
[19:33:45] <anonimasu> * anonimasu joins it
[19:33:46] <bill2or3> cnc-newbies
[19:34:03] <Jymmm> #tequilia
[19:34:08] <bill2or3> our motto will be "Striving to learn all there iswhat? huh? where am I?"
[19:39:21] <anonimasu> :)
[19:39:25] <anonimasu> Jymmm: nice
[19:41:04] <rayh> bill2or3, need to add the question, "what's a worm doing in here?"
[19:41:32] <bill2or3> * bill2or3 makes notes.
[19:41:51] <Jymmm> rayh: That's muscal, not tequilia
[19:42:49] <Jymmm> and muscal will fsck you up wiht a huge hangover if you're not careful
[19:43:05] <anonimasu> :)
[19:43:08] <anonimasu> hehe
[19:43:30] <Jymmm> I have never touched muscal, except to give it to others as a gift/joke.
[19:53:12] <anonimasu> now
[19:53:20] <anonimasu> who wants to see the sparks I made?
[19:54:47] <Bo-Dick> have you guys seen this article? http://web.archive.org/web/20040515055135/http://geckodrive.com/whyg201.htm
[19:55:30] <anonimasu> :)
[19:56:27] <Bo-Dick> wonder if this stuff is true?
[19:56:45] <anonimasu> Bo-Dick: why do you doubt it?
[19:56:55] <anonimasu> mariss is a really nice guy..
[19:57:30] <Bo-Dick> why would the guy that copied the geckodrive use other components?
[19:57:46] <anonimasu> the pcb is a exact copy of the geckodrive..
[19:57:51] <cradek> too bad there are no pictures
[19:57:56] <anonimasu> yeah
[19:57:59] <anonimasu> shows the point ;)
[19:58:27] <Bo-Dick> what? is the article really written by the gecko-guy?
[19:58:31] <anonimasu> yes
[19:58:38] <Bo-Dick> *lol* :D
[19:59:05] <anonimasu> he's a bit pissed because they ripped he's pcb design..
[19:59:17] <anonimasu> want to see something nice..
[19:59:34] <Bo-Dick> sure
[20:00:00] <anonimasu> http://www.protobyte.com/
[20:00:08] <anonimasu> press ctrl + a
[20:01:03] <anonimasu> or mark all text..
[20:02:03] <Bo-Dick> didn't get the point
[20:02:19] <anonimasu> it says "geckodrive" at the bottom of the page..
[20:02:24] <anonimasu> in white..
[20:02:33] <Bo-Dick> ok
[20:02:58] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/sparks.jpg
[20:03:29] <anonimasu> ^_^
[20:03:37] <anonimasu> fun
[20:04:01] <Bo-Dick> the prodrive is a bit more expensive. why?
[20:04:36] <anonimasu> more profit?
[20:05:09] <Bo-Dick> why would anyone want a copy that costs more?
[20:05:37] <anonimasu> the stepper drivers in my catalog at the desk at work retails at 300eur each
[20:05:48] <anonimasu> that's the cheap ones..
[20:05:59] <Bo-Dick> do you call that cheap?
[20:06:26] <anonimasu> no.. that's horrid..
[20:06:36] <Bo-Dick> thats insane
[20:06:51] <anonimasu> are you well updated on how much servodrives/automation stuff costs?
[20:07:40] <Bo-Dick> what is euro compared to dollars?
[20:07:53] <anonimasu> 375$
[20:07:57] <anonimasu> something like it..
[20:08:37] <Bo-Dick> My dealer sells a 6 amp stepper for around 220$
[20:09:00] <Bo-Dick> the brand is "Moons"
[20:09:19] <anonimasu> OK
[20:09:21] <anonimasu> err ok..
[20:09:33] <Bo-Dick> is that cheap?
[20:10:04] <anonimasu> I've got no idea..
[20:10:21] <Bo-Dick> that 375$ motor must the a monster then...
[20:10:25] <anonimasu> why are you it's a driver..
[20:10:28] <anonimasu> nothing fancy with it..
[20:10:39] <anonimasu> automation costs that's just it..
[20:11:32] <Bo-Dick> i don't know why i started to talk about motors 0_0
[20:11:45] <anonimasu> :)
[20:12:01] <anonimasu> btw, why do you think mariss would lie about the prodrive?
[20:12:26] <Bo-Dick> no why on earth would he do that :D
[20:13:01] <Bo-Dick> if the stuff would be true that he wrote i think prodrive would be in serious trouble
[20:13:13] <anonimasu> he's suing them there's a writeup about at some forum
[20:13:49] <Bo-Dick> well they are making money from mariss's design
[20:14:45] <anonimasu> as the pcb is a reverse engineered one..
[20:15:01] <anonimasu> the pics missing from the page are some with a overlay of the pcb's..
[20:15:11] <Bo-Dick> i could have the guts to copy a gecko for my own purposes but it would surely be too much to make profit on someone elses design.
[20:15:41] <anonimasu> that's just wrong..
[20:15:42] <anonimasu> yeah
[20:15:45] <Bo-Dick> the funny thing is that they sell the copy a little more expensive than the original. thats weird
[20:17:04] <anonimasu> http://cnczone.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2402.html
[20:17:06] <Jymmm> http://web.archive.org/web/20040518091029/www.geckodrives.com/whyg201.htm
[20:17:17] <Jymmm> Geckodrive G201 Versus ProDrive-2000 Test Results
[20:18:04] <anonimasu> ah well I'll stop, you can always build your own drive..
[20:18:35] <anonimasu> but geckodrive works very very well
[20:21:20] <rayh> If you want to build your own stepper drives you should look into stepgen's 14 stepping patterns and see if you can find one that will directly tickle the gates of the last stage of the drive amp.
[20:21:22] <anonimasu> Jymmm: did you see my image ^_^
[20:21:32] <Jymmm> nope
[20:21:38] <sed_> is it possible to rig those bridgeport type power feeds as servo motors with some kind of linear scale?
[20:21:58] <dmessier> hello
[20:22:32] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/sparks.jpg
[20:23:10] <Bo-Dick> the guys at "prodrive" aren't too clever...
[20:23:13] <Jymmm> anonimasu oh that... wha did you do?
[20:23:26] <anonimasu> just machining some stuff
[20:23:27] <anonimasu> :)
[20:23:39] <Jymmm> what iron ore?
[20:23:55] <Jymmm> flint?
[20:23:59] <anonimasu> haha just some bar stock..
[20:24:12] <anonimasu> took some heavy cuts..
[20:24:12] <anonimasu> :)
[20:24:13] <Jymmm> lol
[20:24:17] <Jymmm> ya think?
[20:24:35] <anonimasu> werent that bad actually
[20:24:41] <anonimasu> it sounded/felt right
[20:24:42] <anonimasu> ;)
[20:24:48] <Jymmm> * Jymmm loves his angle grinder
[20:24:54] <anonimasu> even though it were sparking
[20:24:56] <anonimasu> :)
[20:25:08] <anonimasu> Jymmm: it's a press fit for aligning my spindle adapter..
[20:25:11] <anonimasu> on the mill..
[20:25:12] <Jymmm> 12 foot sparks!!!
[20:25:31] <anonimasu> it's just small sparks ;)
[20:25:42] <anonimasu> on my small lathe
[20:25:42] <anonimasu> :D
[20:25:48] <Jymmm> well, that's a waste... no fun in whipy sparks!
[20:25:55] <Jymmm> wimpy
[20:25:59] <anonimasu> :~/
[20:26:08] <Jymmm> go for distance next time!!! =)
[20:26:15] <Jymmm> 30' sparks!
[20:26:22] <anonimasu> I'll do it at the work lathe
[20:26:35] <Jymmm> there ya go.... scare the shit out of everyone!
[20:26:40] <anonimasu> been there done that
[20:26:45] <anonimasu> the tool missed me by � a meter
[20:26:46] <anonimasu> ;)
[20:26:56] <Jymmm> ouch!
[20:26:57] <anonimasu> 6kg quickchanger ;)
[20:27:02] <anonimasu> or whatever they weigh..
[20:28:10] <anonimasu> enough to kill you
[20:28:11] <anonimasu> :)
[20:28:21] <anonimasu> I made a stupid mistake
[20:28:52] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/AUT_6002.JPG
[20:28:55] <Bo-Dick> would it be possible to have a stepper driver with a microcontroller that measures the load and calculates the circumstances lets say sample the situation with a few MHz sampling frequency.
[20:29:06] <anonimasu> thoose are the toolholders
[20:29:55] <anonimasu> Bo-Dick: spindle load would be a better thing to measure
[20:30:20] <Bo-Dick> that lathe is slightly larger than my watchmakers lathe :D
[20:30:28] <anonimasu> :)
[20:30:38] <anonimasu> it's scary ;)
[20:31:22] <Bo-Dick> i'd like to have that kind of lathe in my little storehouse that measures 2.3x2.3 squaremeters.
[20:31:33] <anonimasu> I'd like to have that lahe cnc:ed
[20:31:41] <anonimasu> that'd rock..
[20:31:53] <anonimasu> although the powerfeed on it has more KW then the spindle in my mill..
[20:32:15] <anonimasu> thoose kind of servos would cost several thousands of dollars :)
[20:33:47] <Bo-Dick> how much weighs the tailstock alone?
[20:34:19] <anonimasu> I've got no idea
[20:35:47] <Bo-Dick> i wonder if the chuck on that lathe could fasten the smallest drill i've got that is 0.29mm
[20:36:00] <anonimasu> * anonimasu not possible ;)
[20:36:05] <anonimasu> err it's not possible..
[20:36:17] <anonimasu> you can fasten like 1cm stuff.. that's the smallest..
[20:36:32] <Bo-Dick> that lathe is a monster!
[21:07:27] <bpmw> HI guys, need some help getting nic to work!
[21:08:16] <rayh> Hey bpmw you were wondering about sudo and your passwd.
[21:08:23] <jepler> bpmw: This is on your ubuntu system? You might try #ubuntu, it's a very active channel...
[21:08:49] <cradek> people have helped me with stuff there when I've asked
[21:09:58] <bpmw> Iwas just there lots of people. i just can't seem to edit modules.conf
[21:10:07] <dmessier> Toshiba monitors spindle load and adjusts feedrate to a specified load for a preset tool
[21:10:20] <alex_joni> bpmw: use 'sudo vi /etc/modules.conf'
[21:10:26] <alex_joni> and type your password
[21:10:36] <rayh> bpmw if you open a terminal and issue sudo -s -H and give your password
[21:10:43] <jepler> bpmw: There doesn't even seem to be a modules.conf line on my ubuntu system
[21:10:47] <rayh> the terminal becomes a root terminal
[21:11:07] <cradek> I agree there is no modules.conf
[21:11:11] <rayh> Now you can do most anything you wish.
[21:11:26] <rayh> issuing gedit will get you an editor as root.
[21:11:37] <rayh> From that you can open any file you want, edit and save.
[21:11:41] <bpmw> Ok. then where do i alias my eth0
[21:12:07] <bpmw> Thanks Ray and Alex
[21:13:32] <alex_joni> bpmw: try /etc/modules
[21:14:01] <bpmw> brb
[21:14:25] <cradek> I think you're on the wrong track, but I don't know what the right one is
[21:14:37] <cradek> what kind of network card?
[21:17:21] <bpmw> cradeck, its a d-link2201
[21:17:45] <cradek> pci?
[21:18:12] <bpmw> Ray, gedit in root terminal worked great, added alias to etc/modules
[21:18:20] <bpmw> cradeck, ISA
[21:18:49] <bpmw> sorry "cradek"
[21:18:50] <cradek> what did you add to /etc/modules?
[21:19:03] <bpmw> alias eth0 ne
[21:19:16] <cradek> you do not want that
[21:19:22] <cradek> look at man modules
[21:19:24] <bpmw> oh?
[21:19:40] <bpmw> ok, brb
[21:20:22] <cradek> maybe you should try setting plug-n-play in your system bios or something
[21:20:38] <cradek> I think you've gotten bad advice
[21:23:59] <Jymmm> It seems that most current distros don't automagically support ISA devices and has to be manually added.
[21:26:18] <bpmw> im back, man modules says kernel modules to load at boot time. thats what i want isnt it.
[21:26:43] <cradek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWiredNetworkCards?highlight=D-Link
[21:27:20] <bpmw> cradek, ill check it out.thanks.
[21:27:40] <cradek> maybe you need to add "ne io=0x300 irq=9" to /etc/modules
[21:27:51] <cradek> (whatever your correct settings are of course)
[21:28:04] <cradek> but you don't want to add "alias ..." to that file
[21:29:41] <bpmw> hang on ill finf where it says to add aliias
[21:30:04] <alex_joni> alias was common for /etc/modules.conf
[21:30:09] <cradek> other distributions use that "alias eth0 ..." scheme, but ubuntu and debian do not
[21:30:15] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[21:30:17] <alex_joni> night all
[21:30:29] <Jymmm> nite
[21:30:34] <bpmw> good night Alex
[21:31:44] <bpmw> cradek, ok. should i just reboot machine and see if card comes up?
[21:31:58] <cradek> did you add ne io=.... irq=...
[21:32:24] <bpmw> no, should I?
[21:32:42] <cradek> I don't understand what you changed
[21:33:07] <bpmw> I added alias then took it out at your suggestion.
[21:33:19] <cradek> ok then rebooting won't help right now
[21:33:29] <cradek> do you know the irq and io address of your card?
[21:33:44] <cradek> they might even be set by jumpers on the card
[21:34:03] <bpmw> its in pnpdump file, I can find it
[21:34:32] <bpmw> then add that to etc/modules file?
[21:35:00] <cradek> yes in the form:
[21:35:03] <cradek> ne io=0x300 irq=9
[21:35:14] <bpmw> ok, brb.
[21:35:19] <cradek> then reboot and cross your fingers
[21:37:47] <jepler> It's been ages since I had any ISA cards
[21:38:07] <cradek> unfortunately support for them may be getting worse
[21:38:31] <cradek> they're easy enough to replace though I guess
[21:38:43] <jepler> yeah, as long as you have a machine with PCI
[21:39:05] <cradek> I don't remember the last isa-only machine I had - probably a 486
[21:39:09] <jepler> but I don't think there were a lot of non-PCI pentiums
[21:39:14] <cradek> right
[21:39:20] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[21:39:42] <bill2or3> most had pci and isa, afair.
[21:39:44] <jepler> looks like PCI 486 boards were available, but maybe not the norm.
[21:39:52] <cradek> that's what I remember too
[21:40:07] <cradek> I hope bpmw's machine is not a 486 - it will not run the realtime kernel if so
[21:40:28] <bill2or3> wont run, or wont run fast enough?
[21:40:33] <cradek> won't boot
[21:40:55] <bill2or3> ahh.
[21:40:56] <cradek> rtai requires a genuine pentium or newer
[21:40:59] <jepler> CONFIG_M586TSC=y
[21:41:15] <jepler> cradek's kernel is compiled with 586TSC, which also excludes some early pentiums ..
[22:05:27] <bpmw> Hi cradek, booted with ne io=0x240 irq=3. ifconfig -a after turned up eth0 and eth1(io=0x260 irq=5). am going to try again with just ne.
[22:06:08] <cradek> do you know which settings are right?
[22:06:13] <cradek> strange that you would get two
[22:06:38] <cradek> io=... is required according to modinfo
[22:06:59] <cradek> looks like irq can be autodetected
[22:07:16] <bpmw> i want try and se if it will configure itself
[22:07:42] <bpmw> brb
[22:07:43] <cradek> ok, but I think io is required
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[22:21:39] <bpmw> cradek, it WORKED.
[22:22:02] <bpmw> but now how do i get ping to stop?
[22:22:28] <cradek> control-c
[22:22:34] <cradek> congratulations
[22:22:40] <bpmw> ok, brb
[22:23:44] <bpmw> cradek, awesome. now I can go to your website and get emc.
[22:23:48] <cradek> great
[22:23:52] <cradek> your machine is not a 486 is it?
[22:24:10] <bpmw> no 800 Mhx duron
[22:24:14] <cradek> ok great
[22:24:39] <bpmw> you going to be around for awhile?
[22:24:44] <cradek> if you didn't have a network when you installed, you will have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:25:12] <cradek> uncomment (remove the #) from all the deb and deb-src lines that don't contain "universe" or "multiverse"
[22:25:32] <bpmw> ok
[22:25:46] <cradek> then go ahead with the emc install
[22:26:15] <bpmw> no updating or anything first?
[22:26:33] <cradek> yes maybe you should update first
[22:26:55] <cradek> after editing /etc/apt/sources.list, just run the update manager, click reload, and let it install everything it wants to
[22:27:29] <cradek> update manager is on the menu (under system administration?)
[22:28:05] <bpmw> ok, great. ill be back in a while irc from ubuntu machine.
[22:28:14] <cradek> ok I will be here on and off
[22:28:47] <bpmw> Thanks for your help Chris!!!
[22:28:56] <cradek> you're welcome, no problem
[22:38:49] <bpmw> cradek , can't get out to inet from ubuntu box. is it route add or routeadd?
[22:39:02] <bill2or3> route add
[22:39:21] <bpmw> ok i did that right
[22:40:12] <bpmw> heres the route I added (route add default gw 192.168.0.1)
[22:40:31] <bpmw> sound right
[22:41:49] <bpmw> 192.168.0.1 being my smoothwall box.
[22:43:11] <bill2or3> looks good.
[22:43:31] <bpmw> thanks bill2or3
[22:43:48] <bpmw> what should i check for next
[22:44:31] <bpmw> should i try to ping some outside addy
[23:00:14] <bpmw> Well thats weird, I can ping outside addys from a terminal but no inet apps work.
[23:01:15] <Jymmm> dns
[23:01:46] <bpmw> Jymm, What do you mean?
[23:02:21] <Jymmm> if your pinging public ip address by number but can't use any hostname, means your dns isn't setup
[23:02:36] <bill2or3> check /etc/resolv.conf
[23:03:37] <bpmw> ok, ill look into that.
[23:07:39] <bpmw> bill2or3, I don't seem to have that file.
[23:08:27] <bpmw> I'm using ubuntu
[23:08:39] <bill2or3> me too, at home.
[23:08:54] <bill2or3> I think it'd be under the 'system' menu up top, if you have the same desktop as me.
[23:09:05] <rayh> Try System -> Administration -> Networking
[23:09:20] <rayh> It allows you to set dns addresses in a tab.
[23:09:39] <bpmw> ok, thanks Ray.
[23:09:46] <bpmw> brb
[23:10:02] <skunkworks> ray - didn't you have an odd issue when you didn't set up the network card during the install?
[23:10:41] <cradek> skunkworks: we talked about that already (need to uncomment the deb and deb-src lines)
[23:10:57] <cradek> it sets up apt for cdrom only, if no network is present at install
[23:10:58] <rayh> Yea I had to futz around a while. Dialup www is pretty primitive and not tested at all.
[23:11:38] <skunkworks> * skunkworks goes off to read history ;)
[23:16:49] <bpmw> Ok, seems to be working now, update manager downloading package information.
[23:17:45] <bpmw> going to log off here and try to irc from ubuntu
[23:17:53] <rayh> Wah! another success story.
[23:18:27] <bpmw> Thanks to you!!!
[23:18:37] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Jymm
[23:31:43] <K4ts> hi
[23:32:08] <anonimasu> hi
[23:40:44] <K4ts> dmessier: bonne soir
[23:41:00] <K4ts> ca va?
[23:44:13] <giacus_afk> non va
[23:44:16] <giacus_afk> :)
[23:44:22] <K4ts> ih ihhhhhhhh
[23:44:30] <K4ts> giacus_afk:
[23:44:37] <giacus_afk> giacus_afk is now known as giacus
[23:45:25] <dmessier> ca va... proche tous partis
[23:45:56] <K4ts> qui partis toi?
[23:46:40] <dmessier> une trres bonne idea... et pas de sous$$
[23:47:11] <K4ts> moi part vendredi o samedi pour reggiocalabria
[23:47:14] <dmessier> je suise proche despondat
[23:47:24] <K4ts> je vais chez giacus
[23:47:38] <dmessier> superb
[23:49:27] <dmessier> de reve qu'i sauve le mond sont difficile a vendre..
[23:50:05] <giacus> K4ts: latest night I was talking with a guy from russia here
[23:50:21] <giacus> until 6 a.m
[23:50:25] <giacus> :(
[23:50:32] <K4ts> azz
[23:51:04] <giacus> we was talking about political and economy situations
[23:52:36] <giacus> he sent a photo too
[23:52:39] <giacus> in email
[23:52:50] <giacus> http://giacus.altervista.org/sergio_moscow.jpg
[23:53:54] <giacus> dunno why he was in #emc
[23:54:09] <giacus> he was seems not familiar with that
[23:54:41] <K4ts> children!
[23:54:44] <giacus> first time I eard a guy from russia
[23:54:50] <giacus> for what I remember
[23:54:56] <giacus> yes, he's married
[23:55:44] <giacus> he sayd live in a very small house
[23:55:51] <giacus> like the yours I think
[23:55:53] <K4ts> tomorrow I come dolly
[23:56:02] <K4ts> dolly pecora?
[23:56:09] <K4ts> yes
[23:56:10] <giacus> dolly bambola
[23:56:16] <K4ts> pecora
[23:56:19] <giacus> too ?
[23:56:22] <K4ts> google
[23:56:24] <giacus> I dont know
[23:57:02] <K4ts> no
[23:57:12] <K4ts> sheep
[23:57:20] <anonimasu> :)
[23:57:21] <anonimasu> iab
[23:57:24] <giacus> what you have to do ?
[23:57:30] <giacus> hi anonimasu
[23:57:52] <anonimasu> hey
[23:57:53] <anonimasu> what's up?
[23:58:14] <K4ts> veterinary
[23:58:31] <K4ts> my sheep
[23:58:32] <giacus> haha
[23:58:43] <K4ts> lillte sheep
[23:58:48] <K4ts> little
[23:58:49] <giacus> K4ts: shot some pic with your nikon to the dog
[23:59:06] <K4ts> with cm
[23:59:08] <giacus> K4ts: got a toy dog :)
[23:59:09] <K4ts> cam
[23:59:13] <giacus> nah
[23:59:20] <K4ts> ah ah
[23:59:21] <giacus> with the nikon not the cam
[23:59:25] <giacus> the cam is poor
[23:59:28] <giacus> bleah
[23:59:31] <K4ts> spe
[23:59:39] <giacus> not now ..
[23:59:40] <anonimasu> :)