#emc | Logs for 2006-06-01

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[00:39:17] <fenn_> fenn_ is now known as fenn
[00:52:03] <fenn> i got that 20 pound box of pcb stock in the mail today - totally ridiculous
[00:52:23] <samco> not 20 lbs?
[00:52:32] <fenn> yes 20 pounds
[00:52:35] <samco> samco is now known as skunkworks
[00:53:45] <skunkworks> mailman upset?'
[00:54:05] <Jymmm> fenn what is wrong with it?
[01:00:10] <fenn> nothing's wrong with it, thats the amazing part
[01:48:28] <skunkworks> cradek: any update on your board?
[02:46:48] <jepler> jmkasunich: one of the servos you gave chris seems to be bad. I think you should give him his money back.
[02:54:56] <jepler> actually he may have fixed it by opening it up and spitting on the encoder
[02:55:15] <skunkworks> Interesting approch
[02:56:48] <skunkworks> night
[02:56:52] <jepler> goodnight
[02:56:53] <jepler> ooh it's late
[02:57:00] <skunkworks> for me :)
[02:57:14] <jepler> anyway the quadrature divide-by-16 in AVR is working great
[03:44:01] <A-L-P-H-A> yet another day of fun idling. :)
[06:54:06] <fenn> okay guys, the moment you've all been waiting for; I finished my hexapod: http://www.makezine.com/blog/cokewrite.jpg
[06:55:06] <Jymmm> fenn: !!! CONGRADULATIONS !!!
[06:55:14] <Jymmm> fenn how many ipm can you do?
[06:56:12] <alex_joni> ogm
[06:56:15] <alex_joni> omg
[06:56:29] <alex_joni> you got me all excited.. I can't even type
[06:56:37] <fenn> sorry
[06:57:57] <fenn> on closer inspection it isnt really a hexapod
[06:58:15] <Jymmm> quadpod
[06:59:42] <fenn> the guy makes some cool stuff though: http://taomc.com/studio_machines/egg_plotter.htm
[07:07:42] <alex_joni> yeah, seen that one before
[07:10:39] <Jymmm> I like it... http://www.instructables.com/ex/i/DA8253F840C41029AC23001143E7E506/?ALLSTEPS
[07:11:40] <Jymmm> could use a 9v battery and a muffin fan too
[07:11:52] <Jymmm> or run off your bench PS
[07:16:57] <ValarQ> that eggplotter is just wonderful :D
[07:17:37] <fenn> here is a video of the sand plotter http://193.135.56.86/snowflake/technorama/sisyphus.wmv
[07:17:49] <fenn> still not sure exactly how it works
[07:18:52] <ValarQ> ow, i dont have that video codec :/
[07:21:19] <fenn> haha he has a cnc etch a sketch
[07:30:08] <Jymmm> fenn http://super.nova.org/DPR/DIY01/diffuser00.jpg
[07:30:17] <Jymmm> fenn http://super.nova.org/DPR/DIY01/diffuserxx.jpg
[07:31:01] <alex_joni> ??
[07:31:05] <Jymmm> fenn: The only difference in those two pics, is he used a difuser on the flash of his camera
[07:31:28] <Jymmm> fenn on the cheap too... http://super.nova.org/DPR/DIY01/
[07:31:55] <Jymmm> fenn: Just something that I thought might do you better in your dungeon =)
[07:32:21] <alex_joni> Jymmm: don't forget the Canon 580ex flash he used
[07:32:22] <alex_joni> :D
[07:32:37] <giacus> G morning
[07:32:44] <alex_joni> morning giacus
[07:32:44] <Jymmm> alex_joni: I have an SB-800 =) http://swannman.wordpress.com/2006/05/29/howto-diy-flash-diffuser/
[07:33:02] <Jymmm> alex_joni same dimensions as SB-600
[07:33:03] <giacus> hi alex_joni
[07:33:07] <giacus> hey Jymmm!
[07:33:12] <Jymmm> hi
[07:33:20] <alex_joni> Jymmm: probably 10 times more expensive than fenns camera
[07:33:51] <Jymmm> alex_joni: you mean my speedlight itself? Yeah.
[07:34:11] <fenn> my camera was actually $100 when i bought it
[07:34:13] <alex_joni> yeah.. that's what I mean..
[07:34:19] <alex_joni> fenn: like I said ;)
[07:34:24] <Jymmm> fenn My speedlight was $350 alone
[07:34:28] <fenn> bleh
[07:34:37] <alex_joni> ok, not 10 times.. but still 3.5 times :D
[07:34:57] <Jymmm> I love that thing too... IR reomte control
[07:35:10] <alex_joni> I'll buy one someday
[07:35:12] <Jymmm> can trigger 3 other lights wirelessly
[07:35:26] <Jymmm> 3? maybe 6, dont recall
[07:35:34] <alex_joni> probably enough
[07:35:47] <Jymmm> eh, depends
[07:36:15] <Jymmm> if your going for accent light, or no shadows sort of setup
[07:36:52] <Jymmm> the strobe I have isn't SLR, so I'm a lil screwed there.
[07:37:07] <alex_joni> strobe slr?
[07:38:08] <Jymmm> But whats really cool, is if I setup the SB800 on the stand with an umbrella, I can remote trigger it via the internal flash on the camera all with TTL
[07:38:23] <alex_joni> that is nice ;)
[07:38:25] <Jymmm> alex_joni s/ttl/slr/
[07:38:26] <alex_joni> TTL is great
[07:38:43] <alex_joni> Jymmm: oh, ok;)
[07:39:04] <Jymmm> AND... the SB800 can server as a master to other salaves in that configuration too
[07:40:16] <Jymmm> I'd like to get a SB-600 for a slave, that and another umbrella would be perfect
[07:40:40] <alex_joni> Jymmm: what'cha shooting?
[07:41:36] <Jymmm> alex_joni Well, with two setups like that I can do model or product shots without a lot of shadow issues.
[07:41:51] <alex_joni> shooting models.. eh?
[07:41:57] <alex_joni> make sure they are of legal age
[07:41:59] <Jymmm> it's hard only having light from a single point
[07:42:16] <Jymmm> Heh... you should see my model release forms....
[07:42:39] <alex_joni> lol ;)
[07:42:46] <Jymmm> I take a shot of the model holding there ID next to their face
[07:42:55] <alex_joni> barely 18 ?
[07:42:57] <alex_joni> ROFL
[07:43:16] <Jymmm> Oh no, WAY TOO MANY legal issues there...
[07:43:23] <alex_joni> lol.. ok ;)
[07:43:44] <alex_joni> btw.. I always wondered.. how old are you?
[07:43:49] <Jymmm> if the clothes are coming off, theres the ID check, and video camera filiming the whole shoot.
[07:44:49] <Jymmm> The video camera is my "witness" to what went on.
[07:45:36] <Jymmm> Just in case the model comes back, didn't want her nude photos sold/licensed after all and tries to pull some bs about calling the cops and said I did this or that.
[07:46:15] <alex_joni> right..
[07:46:31] <alex_joni> but.. you're avoiding my question ;)
[07:46:42] <Jymmm> Hell, I actually need to record every time I photograph now... last week got harrassed by security guard
[07:46:49] <Jymmm> alex_joni keep wondering =)
[07:47:05] <alex_joni> touchy topic?
[07:47:41] <Jymmm> alex_joni Nobody on IRC knows my exact age, I like the mystery in that. keeps them wondering =)
[07:48:33] <alex_joni> well.. probably I'll keep wondering for about 10 more minutes.. then I'll forget :D
[07:49:11] <Jymmm> you know what, I sorta like this setup... umbrellas can be such a pain to setup sometimes... http://super.nova.org/DPR/DIY01/Diffuser580exBack.jpg
[07:50:12] <fenn> you could paint diamonds on the back and have a nice toy cobra
[07:50:20] <Jymmm> lol
[07:50:23] <Jymmm> no doubt
[07:50:27] <alex_joni> heh
[07:51:11] <alex_joni> dang.. weather is crazy again..
[07:51:15] <Jymmm> maybe I'll take apart one of those car windshield things that you twist to fold up, and see if I could do something like that with cloth instead of cardboard
[07:51:25] <alex_joni> we had 36C a couple of days ago, now it's 9C outside
[07:52:23] <Jymmm> nice today... about 78F
[07:52:36] <Jymmm> 75f != 25c
[07:52:40] <Jymmm> ~=
[07:59:09] <Jymmm> alex_joni: FYI http://super.nova.org/DPR/
[08:16:31] <alex_joni> Jymmm: ty
[08:18:06] <Jymmm> lighting is always a bitch... any little bit helps
[08:23:32] <Jymmm> scroll to "Respirator" http://flame-effects.blogspot.com/
[08:31:30] <Jymmm> G'Night Folks!
[10:19:57] <EvertL> hi there
[10:20:22] <EvertL> can anybody tell me what emcstrip is?
[10:22:05] <alex_joni> nope :)
[10:22:15] <alex_joni> a stripchart with emc extensions
[10:23:29] <alex_joni> some older way of making graphs.. nowadays halscope provides much more flexibility
[10:24:21] <EvertL> alright, thanks
[10:24:41] <EvertL> I can't even find the progam, it's only being searched for in the emc script file
[10:24:44] <EvertL> is it still included?
[10:28:37] <alex_joni> probably in emc1
[11:05:18] <alex_joni> giacus: around?
[11:16:18] <giacus> alex_joni: yeah
[11:44:29] <giacus> cradek: I've some question for you
[11:47:01] <giacus> I'm going to compile the kernel again, using 2.6.16 source and RTAI on a virtual machine
[11:47:38] <giacus> first time I used Pentium/Celeron family processor compiling the kernel and anithing done well
[11:48:20] <giacus> not tryng to use Procesor Family (386) but is seems RTAI can't compile with it
[11:48:54] <giacus> did you used that processor family on kernel 2.6.12 you build the deb's for Ubuntu ?
[11:49:05] <alex_joni> I think he used 386 for Ubuntu
[11:49:20] <giacus> I think so..
[11:49:30] <alex_joni> giacus: if you're compiling only for yourself.. go with the best support
[11:49:35] <alex_joni> 686 or higher
[11:49:48] <alex_joni> what Processor do you have?
[11:50:15] <giacus> my VM use an amd emulation
[11:50:29] <alex_joni> VM sounds bad ;)
[11:50:46] <giacus> but I would build my own cd live after that..
[11:51:08] <giacus> that's why I want a generic 386 processor family
[11:51:35] <giacus> but the latest RTAI patch for 2.6.16 seems don like it
[11:52:27] <alex_joni> hmm.. not using ADEOS patch?
[11:53:07] <giacus> I used the latest magma cvs patch from gna
[11:53:25] <giacus> should be ADEOS ?
[11:53:32] <giacus> I've no idea..
[11:53:54] <alex_joni> yup.. it's best to take the latest patch from ADEOS
[11:54:15] <giacus> same cvs ?
[11:56:57] <alex_joni> http://cvs.gna.org/cvsweb/magma/base/arch/i386/patches/?cvsroot=rtai
[11:58:22] <giacus> yeah, that's what I used
[11:58:43] <alex_joni> http://download.gna.org/adeos/patches/v2.6/i386/ <- try these
[12:00:09] <giacus> nice, ty :)
[12:03:18] <cradek> you need to use at least pentium with tsc
[12:03:38] <alex_joni> morning chris
[12:03:44] <cradek> you can see the whole config file in /boot
[12:03:44] <giacus> hi cradek
[12:03:46] <cradek> hi
[12:03:49] <cradek> can't stay long
[12:03:53] <cradek> 386 won't work
[12:03:59] <giacus> I know..
[12:04:01] <alex_joni> right.. no TSC there..:)
[12:04:24] <giacus> ok, good to know
[12:04:28] <cradek> you should start with my config
[12:04:49] <cradek> there are a lot of settings that have to be right and each compile will take many hours for you
[12:05:03] <giacus> yeah
[12:05:22] <giacus> on the virtual machine I had to add some scsi module too
[12:05:33] <giacus> was going in kernel panic
[12:05:34] <alex_joni> beware that SCSI is pretty bad for RT
[12:05:41] <alex_joni> on real machines
[12:05:49] <cradek> I've never seen that and have used several scsi machines
[12:05:53] <alex_joni> really?
[12:05:57] <cradek> my main machine for running my mill is scsi
[12:06:03] <alex_joni> with scsi cdrom?
[12:06:10] <cradek> no
[12:06:23] <alex_joni> got an german user complaining that the ubuntu livecd can't find the scsi cdrom..
[12:06:27] <cradek> scsi disk + tape, ide cdrom I guess
[12:06:29] <alex_joni> no idea how to help him :(
[12:06:45] <cradek> have to go
[12:06:48] <cradek> let's talk about that later
[12:06:49] <alex_joni> ok.. l8er
[12:06:56] <giacus> cradek: thank you
[12:07:04] <giacus> see you later
[12:25:07] <K4ts> hello giacus
[12:25:11] <giacus> hi
[12:44:14] <jepler> good morning
[12:44:22] <alex_joni> morning jeff
[12:44:52] <jepler> alex_joni: did cradek tell you we got his servo motor spinning last night with the avr quadrature divider?
[12:45:55] <alex_joni> spitting on it?
[12:46:00] <alex_joni> I read some of it in the logs ;)
[12:46:09] <alex_joni> that's nice to hear..
[12:46:20] <giacus> morning jepler
[12:46:35] <jepler> well, the real story is that the first motor we tried behaved erratically, and we thought it was electrical noise or bad software on the avr
[12:46:36] <alex_joni> jepler: what version of code was it? the first one? (on the AVR I mean)
[12:46:49] <jepler> then we swapped motors and it worked great
[12:47:09] <jepler> then cradek took apart the encoder on the first motor, looked at it, and put it back together. then that motor worked consistently too.
[12:47:25] <jepler> I joked that I would "spit" on it by trying to blow the unseen dust off the encoder sensor
[12:47:29] <alex_joni> ok, so probably time & contact problem ;)
[12:47:44] <jepler> and then I said on irc that cradek was the one spitting
[12:48:05] <skunkworks> that is really neat.
[12:48:20] <jepler> the AVR code had one bug in the way it used the I/O registers .. after we figured that out, it was correct
[12:48:26] <alex_joni> jepler: nice one
[12:48:36] <skunkworks> with the divide by 16 - how many lines per rev?
[12:48:46] <alex_joni> oh.. about 16 times less
[12:48:50] <alex_joni> lol
[12:48:51] <skunkworks> :)
[12:49:41] <jepler> skunkworks: I think the motors are 500 or 512 lines per rev, I forget which. I remember seeing 375 (per mm) as the scale in cradek's config file, which is based on also having a 3:1 pulley and 1mm leadscrew.
[12:51:00] <alex_joni> ( 500 * 4 / 16 ) * 3 = 375
[12:51:17] <skunkworks> damn - just go that
[12:51:29] <skunkworks> someones quick with the calculator
[12:51:38] <alex_joni> what calculator?
[12:51:41] <skunkworks> 2000 edges
[12:51:50] <alex_joni> * alex_joni grins :D
[12:52:07] <alex_joni> I actually tried 512 first, but that makes 384..
[12:52:12] <jepler> I think he'll re-flash to /8 instead of /16
[12:52:14] <skunkworks> So did I
[12:52:30] <alex_joni> jepler: what speed can the motors give?
[12:52:30] <skunkworks> so then I went in reverse.
[12:53:31] <jepler> alex_joni: dunno yet
[12:53:55] <skunkworks> any pid tuning yet?
[12:54:21] <jepler> the next step is making the motor mounts
[12:54:51] <jepler> it doesn't make sense to try to tune it now
[12:55:00] <skunkworks> right - wasn't thinking
[12:55:13] <skunkworks> sounds like a job for max nc :)
[12:55:54] <jepler> first, make the mechanical drawing in autocad r12 for dos
[12:56:00] <alex_joni> heh
[12:56:27] <skunkworks> whats wronge with that?
[12:56:57] <skunkworks> I have a copy of that here somewhere.
[12:57:26] <alex_joni> ok, think I figured out why probing doesn't work :)
[12:57:34] <jepler> alex_joni: something is #if 0'd
[12:57:38] <alex_joni> tiny bit of code missing from the motion controller
[12:57:46] <jepler> bbl
[12:57:47] <skunkworks> probing in emc2?
[12:57:50] <alex_joni> no, missing .. not even if 0'd
[12:57:55] <alex_joni> skunkworks: yeah
[12:57:58] <skunkworks> nice
[12:58:09] <alex_joni> should be 1-2 hours to make it work right
[12:58:15] <alex_joni> this afternoon :D
[12:58:15] <skunkworks> seems like every thing is coming togather
[12:58:28] <alex_joni> skunkworks: sure it is.. did you have any doubt?
[12:58:29] <alex_joni> :D
[12:58:33] <skunkworks> seems like it was a good time to get on the emc2 wave :)
[12:59:33] <skunkworks> is there already g-code commands in there for probing? Or a better question - how is it going to work?
[13:00:54] <alex_joni> G38.2
[13:01:35] <alex_joni> but I was talking to a german user who actually needs probing, and maybe we'll end up with a GUI or something to make it easier..
[13:16:37] <skunkworks> part of axis :)
[13:17:00] <alex_joni> jepler: hear that? ;-)
[13:17:26] <skunkworks> * skunkworks really likes axis.
[13:22:20] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home
[13:30:40] <cradek> does anyone understand how a modulo rotary axis would work (there is an email asking about it)
[13:30:47] <cradek> it seems to me like it wouldn't work well.
[13:32:23] <cradek> ok I see how it would be useful if it was being used for indexing, not really for motion
[13:32:44] <SWPadnos> I suspect that indexing is more common than full 4-axis contouring
[13:33:05] <cradek> you are probably right
[13:33:09] <cradek> I see how it would work now
[13:33:26] <cradek> if you were at 0 and you command A350, it will turn in the negative direction to get there
[13:33:31] <SWPadnos> right
[13:33:51] <SWPadnos> similar to the toolchanger thing, but done to avoid discontinuities, I think
[13:34:12] <cradek> so from 0, would the move A-10 be allowed?
[13:34:28] <SWPadnos> I think so. it would move to -10 (350) degrees
[13:34:42] <SWPadnos> I'm not sure what the display should show, and what the internal state should be though
[13:35:00] <cradek> yeah that's where I got stuck
[13:35:03] <SWPadnos> ie, another A-10 (relative) should theoretically show -20
[13:35:08] <SWPadnos> or 340 ;)
[13:35:12] <cradek> seems like the display would show 350
[13:35:14] <cradek> now 340
[13:35:29] <SWPadnos> maybe the better thing to do is go from -180 to +180
[13:35:48] <cradek> as soon as I realized that it doesn't matter which way it turns, this became pretty easy
[13:35:53] <SWPadnos> ah
[13:36:01] <cradek> I mean conceptually easy
[13:36:04] <SWPadnos> heh
[13:36:27] <cradek> you normalize the commanded position to [0,360) and show that, and move there whichever way is shortest
[13:36:34] <SWPadnos> I guess it would get complex when you do moves of 1440 degrees and the like
[13:36:40] <skunkworks> so incremental A?
[13:37:03] <SWPadnos> you'd still want multiple rotations, and you don't want the machine to arbitratily decide which direction to go
[13:37:08] <cradek> SWPadnos: that's what I had to disregard to make it conceptually easy
[13:37:12] <SWPadnos> heh
[13:37:28] <cradek> SWPadnos: no, I think that's incompatible with a modulo axis.
[13:37:43] <SWPadnos> could be. I should re-read the emal
[13:37:45] <SWPadnos> email
[13:37:54] <cradek> well he doesn't say anything
[13:38:06] <cradek> but I assume he wants indexing only
[13:38:08] <SWPadnos> nope
[13:38:22] <SWPadnos> I hope so
[13:38:30] <SWPadnos> maybe someone should ask him
[13:38:49] <cradek> I don't see what else can work if you throw away your non-modulo position all the time
[13:39:25] <SWPadnos> actually, he's not asking for shortest path, only for the display to wrap around
[13:39:45] <cradek> I understand
[13:39:59] <cradek> to me, shortest path is an obvious thing to have with modulo
[13:40:15] <cradek> but I agree it's unrelated
[13:40:29] <SWPadnos> I don't think so. if you're engraving a spiral on a tube, you definitely want the rotation to be in the direction you program
[13:40:44] <cradek> I agree
[13:40:49] <SWPadnos> for indexing, the programmed direction will very likely also be the shortest path
[13:40:54] <cradek> I think a modulo axis is the wrong configuration for that kind of work
[13:41:07] <cradek> say you cut from 0 to 3600
[13:41:18] <cradek> how do you get back since your display now says 0?
[13:41:29] <SWPadnos> I think I'd still want the display to show me the angular orientation of the rotary axis, not the aggregate "position"
[13:41:39] <cradek> you'd have to program -3600 (even in absolute mode) which is nonsense
[13:41:44] <SWPadnos> cut from 0 to 0-3600, and the display will still show 0
[13:41:59] <SWPadnos> no - it makes perfect sense
[13:42:05] <SWPadnos> 10 revolutions backwards
[13:43:26] <cradek> ok this is where I punt and say I want someone to write a spec :-)
[13:43:40] <SWPadnos> yep. it would make things easier all around
[13:43:48] <SWPadnos> (except for the spec writer ;) )
[13:43:55] <cradek> I really can see wanting this for indexing
[13:44:07] <SWPadnos> absolutely
[13:44:10] <cradek> I think using it for anything other than that just makes things obscure for no good reason
[13:44:48] <SWPadnos> in a sense, displaying 1043 for an angular axis makes things obscure
[13:44:57] <cradek> that's true
[13:45:11] <cradek> if there were 100 degrees in a circle, it would be simple enough to understand
[13:45:20] <SWPadnos> it's not immediately obvious that it means 323 degrees (or -37)
[13:45:22] <SWPadnos> yep
[13:45:40] <cradek> the 360 thing isn't our fault!
[13:45:46] <SWPadnos> we could use grads instead of degrees
[13:46:15] <cradek> you mean an integrator could (which is very true)
[13:46:31] <SWPadnos> heh - yep
[13:47:02] <cradek> if I cut only hexagonal things, I might want my rotary axis to go to 8.0, which is fine and I think would even work
[13:47:12] <cradek> 6 even
[13:47:13] <cradek> :-P
[13:47:16] <SWPadnos> heh
[13:47:26] <SWPadnos> the sad part is that I didn't notice ;)
[13:47:35] <cradek> it's good to catch your own stupid errors yourself first
[13:47:42] <SWPadnos> I agree
[13:47:50] <cradek> brb
[13:48:01] <SWPadnos> me too - gotta pack for a trip
[13:54:12] <skunkworks> cradek: I hear the divide-by was a success
[13:55:50] <cradek> yes it looks like it's working great now
[13:56:43] <cradek> one of the encoders was bogus, and it took us a while to figure that out
[13:57:02] <skunkworks> at what rpm do you think the uP would loose it then?
[13:57:10] <skunkworks> with your encoders.
[13:57:38] <cradek> 3-4x their top speed
[13:57:42] <skunkworks> nice
[13:57:55] <cradek> yeah it shouldn't be a problem no matter what
[13:58:13] <skunkworks> very neat. So there might have been dust on the encoder or something?
[13:58:30] <cradek> yes, or some kind of misalignment
[13:58:41] <cradek> turning one direction gave clean pulses, the other didn't
[13:59:07] <skunkworks> do you have a scope? or where you using halview some how.
[13:59:07] <cradek> I'm going to have to figure out how to seal everything when it's mounted on the machine
[13:59:19] <cradek> I was using my old storage scope
[13:59:49] <cradek> if I didn't have a scope the first thing I'd do is go find a scope
[14:01:39] <skunkworks> :)
[14:04:09] <skunkworks> we have an old b&k 2 channel and a tecktronic 2 channel. they come in handy. (help find my stupid mistakes - like sending inverse logic to the steppers)
[14:57:01] <cradek> SWPadnos: I asked Celso for more information about modulo rotary.
[15:04:05] <SWPadnos> cool
[15:04:20] <SWPadnos> I've got to run. I hope to be online again sometime this weekend
[15:04:23] <SWPadnos> see you guys later
[15:04:28] <cradek> bye
[15:50:06] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/files/intro.mpg an experiment attempting to create a nice videoclip for emc with cinelerra
[15:50:31] <jepler> 74xx157 and 74xx257 appear to be identical, judging from the eagle symbol. Is there some subtle difference?
[15:52:22] <les_w> hi guys
[15:52:27] <jepler> hi les
[15:53:02] <les_w> sandblasting a machine tool stand outside...grit in my mouth!
[15:53:06] <les_w> bleh
[15:53:08] <les_w> spit
[15:53:08] <giacus> hello les_w
[15:53:13] <les_w> hi jacky
[15:54:07] <les_w> just waiting for that impedance analyzer to get delivered...it's on a truck 40 miles away
[15:55:01] <les_w> it can even do equivalent circuits of mechanical devices
[15:55:28] <les_w> i'll have to trow it on some servos
[15:55:33] <les_w> throw
[15:55:55] <giacus> good
[15:56:51] <les_w> servos are s+x/s^2 kind of things
[15:56:58] <les_w> they are integrators
[15:57:20] <les_w> the 1/s is like a capacitor
[15:57:47] <les_w> but winding one up and letting it coast IS like a capacitor....
[15:58:01] <les_w> like charging one
[15:58:55] <les_w> zeros in the numerator are winding inductance, shaft torsion, etc
[16:00:11] <les_w> oh well enough laplace transforms. Back to sandblasting <spit>
[16:11:51] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hello
[16:11:58] <jepler> hi Lerneaen_Hydra
[16:17:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra> do you know if EMC will behave differently on dapper drake?
[16:17:40] <alex_joni> hello
[16:17:46] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: why should it?
[16:18:17] <skunkworks> would cradeks script work?
[16:18:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I don't know, but maybe it would. that's why I'm asking ;)
[16:18:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> probably, iirc it was just standard "add reps, then apt-get update install"
[16:19:00] <alex_joni> giacus: not bad
[16:19:00] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I was thinking that the RT kernel and dapper possibly wouldn't mix
[16:19:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> logger_aj: bookmark
[16:19:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> See http://81.196.65.201/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-06-01#T16-19-09
[16:19:24] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: it might just work
[16:19:33] <skunkworks> A-L-P-H-AL: how is emc2 coming?
[16:19:38] <cradek> I don't know if anyone has tried the existing rtai and kernel packages on dapper, but they will probably work
[16:19:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> so as of yet, dapper is untested?
[16:19:47] <giacus> alex_joni: yeah.. don't know if I'll find all the necessary time to done it :(
[16:19:58] <cradek> as of yet, dapper is unreleased!
[16:20:06] <cradek> or was it released?
[16:20:25] <Lerneaen_Hydra> its released
[16:20:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> today
[16:20:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra> read that at /.
[16:20:49] <Lerneaen_Hydra> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/01/1226240&from=rss
[16:21:24] <skunkworks> got this on the channel -ChanServ- [#ubuntu] Ubuntu 6.06 LTS 'Dapper Drake' is released!
[16:23:50] <A-L-P-H-A> good afternoon
[16:24:16] <A-L-P-H-A> so, who's making a new ubuntu emc2 live CD with 6.06?
[16:25:38] <alex_joni> giacus: does it have any sound to it?
[16:25:50] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: I'll do that some day .. but not a priority
[16:26:09] <A-L-P-H-A> :)
[16:26:55] <skunkworks> giacus: what codec do I need?
[16:27:01] <jepler> What's "LTS" stand for?
[16:27:10] <alex_joni> long term support
[16:27:14] <alex_joni> I think
[16:27:19] <jepler> oh
[16:27:38] <alex_joni> they plan to have dapper for a long term support, and the next one to really trash things for a while :)
[16:27:43] <alex_joni> radical redesign & co
[16:28:08] <A-L-P-H-A> LighT Speed
[16:28:11] <A-L-P-H-A> hehe
[16:28:19] <A-L-P-H-A> Low Thigh Speedos
[16:28:36] <alex_joni> Ubuntu is freely available, including security updates for five years on servers, with no restrictions on usage and no requirement to purchase support contracts or subscriptions per deployment.
[16:28:50] <alex_joni> 5 years really soudns like Long Term
[16:29:01] <giacus> alex_joni: yeah, quicktime linux
[16:29:13] <giacus> it has audio track
[16:29:14] <A-L-P-H-A> aj, it's not bad at all.
[16:29:17] <skunkworks> ok
[16:29:28] <A-L-P-H-A> considering you'll most likely upgrade to new versions.
[16:29:34] <A-L-P-H-A> I find ubuntu people helpful...
[16:29:50] <A-L-P-H-A> now if I could only get multi monitors to run properly with the ATI drivers.
[16:30:05] <A-L-P-H-A> I can get multimonitors to run, just not with the ati drives.
[16:30:08] <A-L-P-H-A> drivers
[16:30:17] <jepler> giacus: I just started looking at the video you made. Maybe the phrase "ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY" is a poor choice to zoom in on
[16:30:33] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.launchy.net/ <-- needs a linux port.
[16:31:08] <giacus> jepler: hahah
[16:31:11] <giacus> right
[16:31:23] <giacus> I was also thinking that :D
[16:31:37] <giacus> that's just a test ..
[16:31:58] <giacus> there are lot of video effect I'd like to try
[16:32:12] <alex_joni> giacus: about the soudnstrack.. running with the speakers off right now
[16:32:20] <alex_joni> you know what would eb a cool tune?
[16:32:23] <giacus> Selected audio codec: [mp3] afm:mp3lib (mp3lib MPEG layer-2, layer-3)
[16:32:42] <alex_joni> there was a nice song called 'clubbed to death'
[16:32:44] <giacus> Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm:ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4)
[16:32:57] <giacus> ogg won't work right now..
[16:33:06] <alex_joni> that's a really nice song for a presentation movie
[16:33:20] <giacus> and the size is big, for few seconds of video ..
[16:33:36] <giacus> alex_joni: yeah, and free ;)
[16:34:08] <giacus> found some nice website with sound effect made with the mac
[16:34:11] <giacus> Free
[16:35:54] <giacus> jepler: I think I'll replace the part you seen "ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY" with rtai test and other
[16:36:11] <giacus> got the screen recorder working ;)
[16:36:13] <alex_joni> something with FREE SOFTWARE
[16:36:20] <giacus> hehe
[16:36:54] <giacus> I should activate the random welcome msg in debian
[16:37:54] <alex_joni> giacus: check /msg
[16:38:32] <giacus> oh ok
[17:02:56] <SkunkWorks> I get no video - damn pc
[17:31:32] <les_w> whew. all painted. I used the last of my grey-green auto enamel "machine paint"
[17:31:51] <Jymmm> painted the barn?
[17:32:06] <les_w> no a famco 5 ton kick press
[17:32:19] <les_w> I need it to make parts for the fingerburner.
[17:32:29] <Jymmm> heh. sprucing up for your upcoming visitors huh?
[17:32:34] <les_w> yup
[17:32:38] <Jymmm> fingerburner?
[17:32:41] <les_w> It was ratty looking
[17:32:42] <Jymmm> oh, heh
[17:32:50] <les_w> scraped in the base too.
[17:33:09] <Jymmm> les_w I meant to ask you... have you used water based PU ?
[17:33:29] <les_w> the ram is fine...which is good because I need 0.0007 between punch and die
[17:33:54] <Jymmm> what?! no racing strips or pin striped flames??????????????
[17:33:55] <les_w> Only a little. I don't like it much.
[17:34:24] <Jymmm> Yeah, I heard it's a bitch to work with, but it does dry clear (no ambering)
[17:34:53] <les_w> OFTEN Bluish, color too light, no depth
[17:35:07] <les_w> I like an amber color on most finishes
[17:35:28] <les_w> I could dye it of course
[17:35:49] <Jymmm> well, on ironwood (ipe), it makes the wood WAY too dark. (regular PU that is)
[17:35:53] <les_w> but I just seem to get better depth with solvent based finishes
[17:36:31] <Jymmm> I'm trying NOT to darken the wood, becasue I want to use a stain to contrast the carving.
[17:36:32] <les_w> well waterbased or acrylic lacquer is about the lightest
[17:37:03] <les_w> I like oil on Ipe, but yes it's dark
[17:37:28] <Jymmm> I just cant get the whitewash right. and I can't thing of any thign else to contrast with
[17:37:38] <Jymmm> think
[17:37:54] <les_w> whitewash huh
[17:38:01] <les_w> you mean in the letters?
[17:38:10] <Jymmm> les well, your tip on laytex paint watered down a bit
[17:38:14] <giacus> SkunkWorks: try this: http://www.giacus.org/files/intro.avi, it is intro2.avi.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 320 x 240, 25.00 fps, video: XviD, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 44100 Hz), should work with xvid codec
[17:38:32] <les_w> works pretty well for me
[17:38:32] <Jymmm> les_w I just call it whitewash =)
[17:38:48] <les_w> chalky and porous....
[17:38:54] <les_w> easy to sand...
[17:39:08] <Jymmm> les_w but raises the grain big time too
[17:39:11] <les_w> but soaks up topcoat and then becomes very hard
[17:39:54] <Jymmm> les_w actually, became runny when I applied PU
[17:39:57] <les_w> dampen first, let dry, give it a shot with abrasive brush
[17:40:09] <les_w> you know with the grit filled nylon
[17:40:29] <Jymmm> les_w I've been using the household scotchbright pads
[17:41:09] <fenn> les_w: whats an estimate on how long til you start setting up the automation for the fingerburner?
[17:41:10] <les_w> one could do the same thing with coarse tempera pigments in very dilute PU
[17:41:54] <les_w> Fenn, I don't know. The Whole Finishing group engineering staff is coming down and we'll talk about it.
[17:42:17] <les_w> It's still in the lab right now
[17:42:32] <Guest553> Hello everybody
[17:42:34] <fenn> how did the LED thing turn out?
[17:42:43] <fenn> hello guest
[17:42:48] <les_w> And the analyzer has not come...so I painted a machine today.
[17:42:51] <alex_joni> hello
[17:43:11] <A-L-P-H-A> which LED thing? got pictures?
[17:43:16] <Guest553> very well the embeded irc
[17:43:41] <les_w> LED worked GREAT....new president saw it and the put a ton of engineering resources on the project.
[17:44:08] <alex_joni> Guest553: glad you like it
[17:44:13] <Jymmm> les_w you mean he wrote you a check =)
[17:44:16] <les_w> I still want to do a RT linux automation on the thing
[17:44:39] <les_w> Yeah big checkes too. haha
[17:44:43] <SkunkWorks> Guest553: you can change your name /nick newname
[17:44:46] <Jymmm> lol
[17:44:46] <les_w> checks
[17:44:57] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe his nick is Guest553.
[17:45:08] <A-L-P-H-A> ever thought of that you insensitive clod.
[17:45:12] <A-L-P-H-A> :)
[17:45:22] <alex_joni> that's actually a nicer nick then SkunkWorks
[17:45:31] <alex_joni> and even A-L-P-H-A now that I think of it..
[17:45:37] <A-L-P-H-A> and no one can have annoying nicks like mine. :)
[17:45:40] <les_w> I"LL do the physics...these guys can get on pro engineer and start making products
[17:45:54] <A-L-P-H-A> les_w, what product?
[17:46:26] <fenn> * fenn paints a sign on les's back that says "ask me about my new product!"
[17:46:29] <les_w> oh, "fingerburner." Makes electricity from compressed air with no moving parts.
[17:46:37] <SkunkWorks> pain in the a$$ a-<tab> :)
[17:46:42] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A Les is making a nuclear fingerburn device that runs off of hot air
[17:46:43] <Guest553> where i type newname, please ?
[17:47:06] <SkunkWorks> Guest553: just type /nick newname
[17:47:18] <Guest553> Guest553 is now known as Didier
[17:47:21] <A-L-P-H-A> type "/nick I_am_newbie", wihtout quotes
[17:47:25] <Didier> thank you
[17:47:32] <alex_joni> Didier: nicer :)
[17:47:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra> les_w: is the finger burner a hilsch vortex tube with a peltier between the cold and hot areas?
[17:47:44] <SkunkWorks> nicier
[17:48:10] <les_w> very good guess <Lerneaen_Hydra>
[17:48:11] <les_w> but
[17:48:13] <les_w> no
[17:48:17] <Didier> Are you all americans ?
[17:48:26] <fenn> i have an american passport
[17:48:26] <alex_joni> Didier: I'm not
[17:48:29] <Didier> no frenchie ?
[17:48:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra> darn ;), how is the efficiency?
[17:48:42] <Jymmm> Didier: Except for A-L-P-H-A, he's Martian.
[17:48:47] <alex_joni> we have an canadian gguy who speaks french
[17:48:54] <alex_joni> but not now around
[17:49:00] <les_w> efficiency is low
[17:49:12] <alex_joni> Didier: I understand a few words (but really a few)
[17:49:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra> lower than hilsch + peltier?
[17:49:19] <Didier> well i'm french poor alone
[17:49:32] <les_w> mmm perhaps not...we made several of those
[17:49:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, ok
[17:49:47] <SkunkWorks> Didier: are you interested in emc - or are you running it?
[17:49:59] <les_w> We have a division that makes the vorex tubes
[17:50:01] <SkunkWorks> Tell us a little about yourself :)
[17:50:06] <les_w> vortex
[17:50:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> was the new one the one you couldn't talk much about becuase of trade secrets/similar?
[17:50:17] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ooh, nice.
[17:50:18] <les_w> yeah.
[17:50:27] <Didier> oh i have installed linux2.6.15, rtai3.3, emc2.0.0 , axis1.3a2
[17:50:50] <alex_joni> Didier: sounds like quite a job.. your own install?
[17:51:43] <Didier> i'm computer ingenier
[17:52:07] <Didier> i have buyed motenc-lite board too
[17:52:31] <SkunkWorks> Didier: I am jelous - what do you plan on running with it?
[17:52:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra> les_w: when's it going to hit the market?
[17:53:03] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/control.c: initial attempt at filling the blancs missing from probing.. it does work now for me.. not sure if it's working as it should though
[17:54:04] <Didier> i would like to run 3 axes machine
[17:54:27] <Didier> i have worked 4 years on waterjetcutting
[17:54:33] <SkunkWorks> alex_joni: nice job - sounds like doornik should be able to test it now -
[17:55:41] <fenn> Didier: have you done anything with 5 axis waterjet? for squaring the sides of the workpiece?
[17:56:13] <Didier> no sorry, i hope to do it
[17:57:50] <Didier> i have translated axis in french, i have a file fr.po
[17:57:56] <Didier> what to do now ?
[17:58:14] <fenn> start generating interest in waterjet :)
[17:58:24] <alex_joni> Didier: send it to [email protected]
[17:58:34] <cradek> no, jepler takes care of i18n
[17:58:37] <cradek> let me find the webpage
[17:58:52] <alex_joni> oh.. sorry.. just had your mail in memory
[17:59:02] <cradek> http://axis.unpy.net/translations
[17:59:12] <Didier> i have sent it to jeff epler
[17:59:23] <alex_joni> Didier: should be enough
[17:59:31] <alex_joni> jeff epler = jepler in here
[17:59:51] <Didier> i want my axis in french, i need to wait ?
[18:00:19] <alex_joni> Didier: you could try to get a source from CVS, and put the pot in there
[18:00:40] <alex_joni> but you probably need to change a bit around (nothing too complicated), for it to generate the .mo
[18:00:57] <alex_joni> maybe jepler can help, if he's around
[18:01:05] <Didier> i have generated the .mo
[18:01:20] <Didier> typing make in axis/i18n
[18:01:30] <jepler> Didier: hi. I've gotten your email but haven't had a chance to read it yet.
[18:01:54] <Didier> jepler : hi
[18:02:03] <jepler> after you 'make' in axis/i18n, running 'setup.py install' again should put the fr.mo file in the proper location
[18:02:16] <Didier> thank you
[18:03:09] <Didier> i will try tomorrow, because i must gone
[18:03:34] <jepler> OK
[18:03:53] <Didier> very good idea the irc
[18:04:18] <Didier> but what time is it for you, me it's 20h11
[18:04:40] <alex_joni> 21:12 < Didier> but what time is it for you, me it's 20h11
[18:05:15] <cradek> 1300 here
[18:05:15] <jepler> Didier: Here in the central US, it's about 1PM.
[18:05:37] <Didier> alex_joni : you are near me then
[18:07:01] <alex_joni> Didier: roumanie
[18:07:16] <etla> hi all
[18:07:27] <Didier> hi etla
[18:07:38] <alex_joni> hi etla
[18:07:59] <etla> got the optoiso card for the 5i20 working today
[18:08:11] <etla> maybe servodrive will work during the weekend...
[18:08:44] <Didier> well i must go tonight. talk you tomorrow
[18:08:47] <jepler> goodnight Didier
[18:08:59] <Didier> bye everybody
[18:09:09] <alex_joni> bye
[18:09:19] <etla> alex: wrt. to documentation, is the EMC HAL interface described somewhere ?
[18:10:37] <alex_joni> etla: yes
[18:10:59] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=5
[18:11:25] <etla> I'd like to work on HAL for a jogwheel
[18:11:35] <etla> to not only jog but also adjust feed override and spindle rpm
[18:12:38] <etla> I'm not sure the EMCMOT and EMCIO interfaces are in http://www.linuxcnc.org/Hal_Documentation.pdf ??
[18:14:55] <alex_joni> nope. not reallt
[18:14:57] <alex_joni> nope. not really
[18:15:08] <alex_joni> there's also EMC2_Code_notes
[18:15:17] <alex_joni> and the documentation in the source itself
[18:15:31] <etla> right.
[18:15:59] <etla> a suggestion for the manual: could we have _all_ info in one manual with separate sections for users, integrators, and developers ?
[18:16:48] <alex_joni> etla: that means 500+ pages
[18:17:27] <etla> yes, but there could be separate pdfs for each section/chapter
[18:19:00] <alex_joni> that's how it's now
[18:19:03] <jepler> etla: do you have lyx installed? If so, look at the Master_User.lyx file in the documentation source. It simply includes all of the parts.
[18:19:22] <jepler> etla: it would be pretty easy to make another Master.lyx which includes everything for users, integrators, and developers
[18:19:22] <alex_joni> some of the parts will be part of Master_Integrator.lyx too
[18:20:55] <etla> ok, well I'm not going to volunteer as head for the emc documentation project just yet...
[18:21:29] <etla> what HAL pins/whatever EMCMOT and EMCIO exports for the integrator to use would be useful for me in the near future
[18:21:48] <etla> as well as examples of how jogwheels/pendants could be implemented
[18:22:03] <alex_joni> etla: we are developers
[18:22:18] <alex_joni> instead of writing documentation how something could be made.. we just do it
[18:22:20] <alex_joni> same effort
[18:22:39] <alex_joni> so don't really expect to find documentation on stuff that isn't implemented
[18:23:03] <etla> I don't think I am ?
[18:23:16] <alex_joni> etla: didn't say that..
[18:23:33] <alex_joni> I just meant that _I_ find it rather boring to write documentation
[18:23:48] <alex_joni> and I only do it, if I think it's crucial ;-)
[18:24:57] <etla> right. I could write down whatever I learn during the summer as I am building a servo-machine with the 5i20
[18:25:07] <etla> If I can learn how lyx and cvs works...
[18:27:42] <fenn> alex_joni: i forgot to tell you, i removed the link to hal_introduction.pdf because it was outdated and (i thought) had been moved in entirety to EMC2_User_Manual.pdf
[18:28:28] <alex_joni> fenn: it will never be moved completely to the user manual
[18:29:44] <fenn> you might as well #include all the hal docs
[18:30:06] <fenn> even if hal is supposed to be a separate entity
[18:31:07] <alex_joni> fenn: nothing interesting about hal internals for users
[18:31:31] <alex_joni> maybe for integrators.. although that's doubtfull too
[18:31:36] <fenn> why is it in printed documentation then?
[18:31:47] <etla> for integrators it is definitely useful
[18:32:01] <alex_joni> fenn: I'm not following you?
[18:32:12] <alex_joni> shouldn't programmers use printed documentation?
[18:32:16] <etla> anyone know if cvs should work, I get: connect to cvs.linuxcnc.org:2401 failed: No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it.
[18:32:18] <fenn> if its only interesting to developers it might as well be in the source code
[18:32:42] <fenn> i dont know, i never really use printed material
[18:32:42] <alex_joni> etla: it worked for me 5 mins ago
[18:32:50] <alex_joni> fenn: then why do you care?
[18:33:15] <fenn> i'm just pointing out practical issues of keeping documentation in sync
[18:33:46] <alex_joni> it's not practical to have about 100 pages of written text in the source
[18:34:01] <bowmaster> anyone know where theres a good cad cam channel?
[18:34:02] <fenn> right, but of those 100 pages only 20 or so are about the code
[18:34:16] <fenn> bowmaster: this is it, maybe ##engineering on a good day
[18:34:42] <bowmaster> i see
[18:35:02] <fenn> #blender and #brlcad
[18:35:13] <fenn> if you use either o those
[18:35:23] <fenn> this is freenode after all
[18:36:05] <bowmaster> it can be on other servers, i was looking
[18:37:01] <fenn> * fenn goes to bed for real
[19:18:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra> how often is testing released (generally, I know that there may be long periods without change, and so on, but roughly. weekly? monthly?)
[19:19:07] <etla> maybe monthly I think
[19:19:42] <giacus> or years ..
[19:20:03] <etla> well now with emc2 the pace is quicker
[19:20:53] <giacus> it could depend on how many user tester are
[19:20:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, ok
[19:21:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> (is hoping for etla to make the jog/feed/rpm wheel-driver soon ;) )
[19:21:40] <etla> will probably try to get the servo amp working first
[19:21:51] <etla> but right after that I want to do the jogwheel
[19:22:12] <alex_joni> etla: look at halui for what you want to do
[19:22:22] <alex_joni> and document it while you're at it.. I was too lazy ;)
[19:22:37] <etla> alex: how would I go about getting committ rights to the cvs ?
[19:23:20] <alex_joni> send a patch to the dev list ;)
[19:23:45] <alex_joni> that way we'll see if you mean business
[19:24:03] <etla> how do I generate a patch on windoze ?
[19:24:42] <alex_joni> etla: I'm afraid you need to figure that out on your own
[19:24:46] <alex_joni> maybe cygwin can help
[19:25:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra_> did only I disconnect?
[19:26:08] <etla> yeah, no problems here
[19:39:34] <alex_joni> etla: it can also be a snip of code
[19:39:45] <alex_joni> no need for a real 'patch'
[19:47:34] <etla> yep, I'll try to contribute with something useful whenever I get the jogwheel done.
[19:49:24] <alex_joni> CIA-8: sleeping again eh ?
[19:55:29] <Jymmm> Love the date in five days... 6/6/6
[19:57:55] <asdf23r> asdf23r is now known as A-L-P-H-A
[19:58:10] <robin_sz> maweep?
[19:58:40] <A-L-P-H-A> * A-L-P-H-A hands robin_sz the lit ACME dynamite stick.
[19:58:42] <A-L-P-H-A> RUN!!!!
[20:00:37] <robin_sz> * robin_sz chews it.
[20:05:27] <alex_joni> http://www.porkolt.com/music/fur/elise/scanner/playing/funny/a-scanner-playing-fr-elise-281.html
[20:08:25] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.porkolt.com/music/star%20wars/boba%20fett/rap/song/boba-fetts-rap-song-559.html
[20:08:26] <A-L-P-H-A> hehehe
[20:09:41] <A-L-P-H-A> it's K4ts!
[20:09:44] <A-L-P-H-A> hello.
[20:09:56] <A-L-P-H-A> Where's D0gs?
[20:09:59] <K4ts> hi A-L-P-H-A
[20:10:04] <K4ts> ok
[20:10:34] <A-L-P-H-A> ok?
[20:10:51] <K4ts> yes is very doll!
[20:10:52] <K4ts> ahah
[20:11:14] <A-L-P-H-A> doll??
[20:11:23] <A-L-P-H-A> I need an IT to EN translator I think.
[20:12:00] <K4ts> A-L-P-H-A: I not have translator sigh
[20:12:27] <A-L-P-H-A> http://world.altavista.com
[20:12:32] <A-L-P-H-A> good translate as well.
[20:12:36] <robin_sz> well, sure you do .. if there is any word you dont know .. we'll help you
[20:12:38] <robin_sz> ;)
[20:13:42] <A-L-P-H-A> ciao K4ts... questo è il mio traduttore
[20:14:12] <A-L-P-H-A> Dove gradite andare oggi - MS. Doesn't have the same ring... :(
[20:14:39] <A-L-P-H-A> Siamo avuti divertimento con il software di traduzione?
[20:15:16] <K4ts> I wish to go to sea!
[20:15:17] <robin_sz> errm is that: "my hovercraft is full of eels"?
[20:16:49] <K4ts> I said that my dog resembles more to one sheep hour
[20:17:14] <cradek> ok maybe altavista doesn't work very well
[20:18:34] <robin_sz> il mio hovercraft è pieno delle anguille
[20:19:02] <robin_sz> http://www.google.com/translate_t
[20:19:06] <robin_sz> seems to work
[20:19:52] <K4ts> Anna from thanks to ALPHA for l aid
[20:23:02] <giacus> ?
[20:23:47] <giacus> found a good software translator ?
[20:24:01] <giacus> it don't seems to me :/
[20:26:17] <etla> world.altavista.com
[20:26:55] <alex_joni> am I still here?
[20:27:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra_> AFAICT
[20:27:10] <alex_joni> [Lag: 133 (??)
[20:28:10] <giacus> giacus on #emc (+n,lag:0)
[20:28:13] <alex_joni> ok.. was just a hickup ;)
[20:29:11] <alex_joni> http://www.porkolt.com/music/indian/parody/numa/numa-numa-by-indians-824.html <- lol
[20:31:58] <giacus> talking about translation
[20:32:11] <giacus> http://rafb.net/paste/results/hbvllW64.html
[20:32:19] <giacus> that make a sense ?
[20:33:07] <giacus> I'mthinking how to fill 25 sec of video
[20:33:45] <giacus> with a sweet intro
[20:34:10] <giacus> and some children in background
[20:35:08] <giacus> if anyone can correct that would be nice
[20:37:02] <giacus> K4ts: you're a poeta ? :D
[20:37:31] <K4ts> con un intro dolce <giacus> ed alcuni bambini nella priorità bassa <giacus> se chiunque può correggere che sia piacevole
[20:37:38] <K4ts> ? che significa
[20:38:32] <giacus> mean the translator doesnt work so fine :(
[20:40:27] <giacus> K4ts: è una musica di sottofondo dolce, mi serve di riempire 25 sec con delle frasi di senso compiuto in un video
[20:41:43] <giacus> K4ts: any idea ?
[20:43:19] <K4ts> spe
[20:45:00] <Lerneaen_Hydra_> goodnight
[20:45:06] <giacus> K4ts: something with progress,freedom
[20:45:12] <giacus> G'Night Lerneaen_Hydra_
[20:45:18] <K4ts> they are to the telephone is my grandson who has not felt itself well has gone in hospital
[20:45:57] <giacus> mmh
[20:46:28] <K4ts> mimmo
[20:46:51] <K4ts> tromblofebilte al braccio
[20:51:16] <alex_joni> http://www.porkolt.com/other/physics/chemistry/machines/machines-with-physics-and-chemistry-505.html
[20:51:20] <alex_joni> that's nice
[20:52:20] <robin_sz> my 6yr old boy fell from a tree today ... made a mistake in choosing a branch
[20:53:14] <robin_sz> I guess I'll have to send him up again tomorow,
[20:54:14] <giacus> bad day
[20:56:14] <giacus> raining too here
[20:58:13] <robin_sz> alex_joni, wow .. those guys have WAY too much spare time ;)
[21:00:29] <alex_joni> indeed
[21:00:39] <A-L-P-H-A> <yawn>
[21:00:41] <alex_joni> I've been watching for half an hour..
[21:00:45] <alex_joni> and I'm still only half way
[21:01:12] <K4ts> giacus I sing image
[21:01:40] <giacus> png or jpeg ?
[21:27:56] <A-L-P-H-A> sing? send?
[21:28:13] <alex_joni> sing sing
[21:28:33] <A-L-P-H-A> ABCDEFGHIJKMNOPQRSTUVWXY&Zed... sung to the tune of twinkle twinkle little star.
[21:34:29] <Jymmm> Damn... oxy/propane torch kits are expensive
[21:35:37] <alex_joni> not that expensive..
[21:40:03] <Jymmm> $550
[21:40:05] <Jymmm> USD
[21:42:16] <Jymmm> Okey, found better pricing... $400
[21:43:44] <alex_joni> seems like you can do better
[21:44:22] <Jymmm> alex_joni: These are the BEST prices I've found so far, and I've been looking for a couple months... http://store.cyberweld.com/smlitoou.html
[21:45:07] <Jymmm> I like their logo =)
[21:45:34] <A-L-P-H-A> it's a mouse.
[21:46:01] <Jymmm> It is?! OMGWTFBBQ?!?!?!
[21:46:41] <A-L-P-H-A> no.it's an characture of a mouse.
[21:46:47] <A-L-P-H-A> or a really stupid monkey
[21:48:23] <Jymmm> I dont' care, I still like their logo =)
[21:49:26] <A-L-P-H-A> that's good. :)
[21:50:13] <A-L-P-H-A> hey mess
[21:50:54] <dmessier> sup alpha??
[21:50:59] <A-L-P-H-A> not much...
[21:52:08] <dmessier> we scraped an f18 drag brace piston this am... 25000 bucks...
[21:52:19] <A-L-P-H-A> :(
[21:52:20] <A-L-P-H-A> shibby
[21:52:28] <A-L-P-H-A> what happened... can I have $25K ... ?
[21:53:08] <dmessier> operator put in a no 2 rad instead of a no 4 rad.... 0.012" o/size... SUCKS
[21:53:29] <A-L-P-H-A> hehe... that operator 'fired'?
[21:53:53] <dmessier> on final cut without re checkin... NOT.. union...
[21:54:03] <A-L-P-H-A> ?
[21:54:07] <A-L-P-H-A> so no.
[21:54:14] <dmessier> cant fire him..
[21:54:17] <A-L-P-H-A> I see.
[21:54:50] <dmessier> probably not even get a letter...
[21:55:18] <dmessier> i hate union environments... im a contractor still lookin in
[21:55:29] <A-L-P-H-A> get unionized!
[21:55:40] <dmessier> not ME
[21:55:58] <dmessier> the shop floor IS
[21:56:31] <dmessier> i dont believe in them...
[21:56:43] <A-L-P-H-A> dang it... I'm thinking of making a monte cristo sandwich, after watching a cooking show.
[21:57:06] <Jymmm> Got Deep Fryer?
[21:57:11] <dmessier> there was a day they were needed but not htese days
[21:57:13] <A-L-P-H-A> i do.
[21:57:30] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll just pan fry it.
[21:57:52] <Jymmm> dmessier: Yeah, now we just need companys to stay in business and not have 5000 layoffs (Sun Microsystems)
[21:57:53] <dmessier> belly belly good stuff
[21:58:05] <A-L-P-H-A> belly??
[21:58:28] <dmessier> very
[21:58:35] <A-L-P-H-A> terry
[21:58:38] <A-L-P-H-A> hairy
[21:58:43] <A-L-P-H-A> sexy
[21:58:46] <A-L-P-H-A> sex
[21:58:51] <A-L-P-H-A> we can stop there afterwards.
[21:59:24] <dmessier> but the BEST ARE back on contract... I'll bet
[21:59:25] <Jymmm> http://circuitsassembly.com/cms/content/view/3447/95/
[21:59:48] <giacus> Night all
[22:04:18] <alex_joni> good night all
[22:05:45] <Jymmm> cya alex
[22:15:08] <dmessier> brb pool run with rascles
[22:23:54] <dmessier> Alpha.. you wanna run be a team leader???
[22:45:05] <K4ts> hey Jymmm
[22:45:28] <K4ts> nighttttttttttttttt
[22:45:42] <Jymmm> G'night anna
[23:04:56] <A-L-P-H-A> damn that sandwich was SO damn good.
[23:05:00] <A-L-P-H-A> SSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO good
[23:05:59] <Jymmm> and you didn't share? I should kick you!
[23:07:42] <Jymmm> * Jymmm grabs his steel toed boots
[23:07:57] <A-L-P-H-A> that that boot out of your butt.
[23:08:37] <Jymmm> These aren't by butt kickin boots, these are my shin kicking boots! I want this to be painful
[23:09:01] <A-L-P-H-A> damn food is expensive.
[23:09:29] <A-L-P-H-A> cheese $5. Chicken $3... ham $1.5... came out to be like $9... still cheaper than going out I guess
[23:10:30] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A Instead of the grocery store, try a restraunt supply instead. It'll be larger quantities, buy MUCH cheaper.
[23:10:36] <Jymmm> For example...
[23:10:39] <A-L-P-H-A> but
[23:10:51] <A-L-P-H-A> costco could do it too.
[23:10:53] <A-L-P-H-A> or sams club.
[23:11:07] <A-L-P-H-A> but.. I don't _NEED_ that much... it'd go bad before I eat it
[23:11:11] <Jymmm> 8oz cheese cheese, grocery store $3. 3 POUNDS of cream cheese, $3.50
[23:11:31] <Jymmm> Even if you waste half of that, it's still cheaper
[23:11:56] <A-L-P-H-A> cheese cheese?
[23:12:10] <A-L-P-H-A> No it's not...
[23:12:18] <A-L-P-H-A> oh waist half of 3lbs
[23:12:18] <Jymmm> oh cream cheese
[23:12:23] <A-L-P-H-A> waste
[23:12:34] <Jymmm> that's what i said =)
[23:12:36] <A-L-P-H-A> 16 oz = lb?
[23:12:39] <Jymmm> yeah
[23:12:45] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm metric...
[23:13:04] <A-L-P-H-A> I'd also have to have room in the fridge for that stuff
[23:13:27] <Jymmm> you can cut it down and freeze lots of it (not cream cheese though)
[23:13:41] <Jymmm> cheddar mozerlla, lunch meats, etc
[23:13:59] <A-L-P-H-A> now I'm having brewed ice tea + cranberry juice, mixed + chilled. :)
[23:14:11] <Jymmm> we bought 2lbs of sliced roast beef for $4
[23:14:21] <A-L-P-H-A> DANG
[23:14:23] <Jymmm> same with turkey and ham
[23:14:36] <Jymmm> good too, not that shitty tasting stuff
[23:14:37] <A-L-P-H-A> I spent half of that for 100grams.
[23:14:59] <A-L-P-H-A> that's a ~1/4 lb.
[23:15:04] <Jymmm> I'm telling you... hit a restraunt supply and look around
[23:15:24] <A-L-P-H-A> they deliver too don't they?
[23:15:31] <Jymmm> you can use EVERYTHING they sell of course, but lot of good deals, especially if you have a freezer
[23:15:45] <A-L-P-H-A> _can_ or _can't_
[23:15:47] <Jymmm> Yeah, with a $500 order or so =)
[23:15:56] <Jymmm> cant
[23:16:00] <A-L-P-H-A> $500 = probably last me a good 6 months.
[23:16:29] <Jymmm> I mean can you use 10 pounds of vanilla pudding before it goes bad?
[23:16:49] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't like pudding
[23:17:01] <Jymmm> we buy worchester sauce by the gallon for abotu the same price as the lil bottle you get in the stores.
[23:17:08] <A-L-P-H-A> everytime I eat it, I get really sick... lactose intolerance, plus gorging.
[23:17:32] <Jymmm> ah, well you CAN have yogurt if your lactose intolerant
[23:17:42] <A-L-P-H-A> yogurt is good for you.
[23:18:01] <Jymmm> there are enzimes in it that kill the lactose
[23:18:18] <A-L-P-H-A> the bacteria convert the lactose into other sugars.
[23:18:20] <Jymmm> two of them, just them names of them are so damn long I can't rememebr
[23:18:28] <A-L-P-H-A> lactase is the enzyme.
[23:18:56] <Jymmm> no, there are two . I watch a lot of 'Good Eats' =)
[23:21:32] <A-L-P-H-A> well, the one in the human body is lactase.
[23:36:36] <Jymmm> these are in yogurt, not the body
[23:37:03] <Jymmm> I think the one your talking about isn't produce in the human body as much when we get older.
[23:37:26] <Jymmm> 100% asians, 80% black, 20% white,
[23:38:25] <A-L-P-H-A> uh... I think those figures are fucked up. :)
[23:38:35] <Jymmm> not mine
[23:39:29] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose
[23:39:46] <Jymmm> ah, here we go... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance
[23:40:02] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic3429.htm
[23:40:21] <Jymmm> ah, here we go... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance this gives the chart
[23:40:26] <A-L-P-H-A> milk is really a disgusting product. it's milk from another animals tit!
[23:40:38] <A-L-P-H-A> I'd trust emedicine, than wikipedia... sorry.
[23:41:32] <Jymmm> and it doesnt give the chart like wikipedia does
[23:41:43] <Jymmm> anyhow...
[23:42:39] <A-L-P-H-A> http://store.muledesign.com/images/omg_lg.gif :)
[23:44:54] <dmessier> intol..... LOL
[23:45:12] <A-L-P-H-A> http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/science/is_the_brain_really_necessary.htm interesting.
[23:45:24] <dmessier> 1/2 my family are LI
[23:47:21] <A-L-P-H-A> <shrug>
[23:47:33] <A-L-P-H-A> my Dad and I are... my sisters and mom aren't. :/
[23:47:38] <dmessier> reafin'
[23:47:51] <dmessier> readin'
[23:50:47] <dmessier> wild
[23:53:17] <Jymmm> LI ?
[23:53:30] <A-L-P-H-A> Lactose Intolerance
[23:53:36] <Jymmm> ah
[23:53:37] <A-L-P-H-A> duh... that was the topic... remember? :)
[23:54:37] <Jymmm> nope
[23:55:16] <A-L-P-H-A> okay Dory...
[23:55:34] <A-L-P-H-A> that's a finding nemo reference...
[23:56:37] <skunkworks> just keep swimming - just keep swimming