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[01:17:26] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Jymmmmm
[01:19:02] <Jymmmmm> Jymmmmm is now known as Jymm
[01:24:57] <giacus> Jymm: !
[01:25:12] <giacus> that nickname is already in use :)
[01:25:24] <Jymm> =)
[01:25:27] <giacus> wha's up ?
[01:25:37] <Jymm> sos
[01:26:14] <A-L-P-H-A> rihanna.
[01:26:16] <A-L-P-H-A> good song
[01:27:07] <A-L-P-H-A> partypoker.net anyone?
[01:27:18] <A-L-P-H-A> play money...
[01:27:26] <A-L-P-H-A> or 3d scorched earth?
[01:27:45] <giacus> who ? money ? what, where ? :D
[01:27:59] <A-L-P-H-A> poker, play money (not real money)
[01:28:06] <giacus> oh.. my friend, don't have a cent here :(
[01:28:08] <A-L-P-H-A> www.partypoker.net table 4029166
[01:28:31] <giacus> nah, thanks
[01:28:36] <A-L-P-H-A> it's FREE!
[01:28:44] <A-L-P-H-A> and doesn't contain spam/spyware.
[01:28:46] <jepler> looks like it wants to send me a .exe file
[01:28:56] <jepler> too bad I can't run those
[01:28:56] <A-L-P-H-A> it's win32
[01:29:01] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah you can... wine!
[01:29:07] <giacus> A-L-P-H-A: too late here .. 3:40
[01:29:08] <jepler> sorry, don't drink or smoke either
[01:29:22] <A-L-P-H-A> do you have sex?
[01:29:37] <jepler> umm decline to answer
[01:29:47] <A-L-P-H-A> have you ever had sex?
[01:29:48] <A-L-P-H-A> hahahha
[01:29:50] <jepler> umm decline to answer
[01:29:58] <A-L-P-H-A> are you 40?
[01:30:05] <jepler> umm decline to answer
[01:30:32] <giacus> A-L-P-H-A: what should the problem over 40 ?
[01:30:48] <giacus> viagra !
[01:30:51] <A-L-P-H-A> giacus, it's a movie... the 40 year old virgin.
[01:31:15] <giacus> uh.. thats movie
[01:31:36] <jepler> apparently A-L-P-H-A now believes that movie is about me
[01:31:39] <jepler> I've never seen it
[01:32:08] <A-L-P-H-A> you should.
[01:32:33] <jepler> I'd much rather spend friday night installing various versions of linux as guests in vmware-server
[01:32:55] <jepler> * jepler tries to gauge whether A-L-P-H-A disapproves
[01:33:49] <A-L-P-H-A> I tried morphix today... I got a grub error 21, so I gave up.
[01:33:59] <giacus> to be honest I watch the tv in a small angle of my 19" sometime
[01:34:12] <giacus> but 90% of programs are trash !
[01:34:28] <giacus> just eard the news sometime
[01:34:32] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... I should reinstall my ATI-tv wonder car.
[01:35:13] <jepler> giacus: do you mean, in the corner?
[01:35:18] <giacus> Il codice Da Vinci should be a nice film
[01:35:30] <giacus> jepler: yeah, sorry, corner
[01:35:40] <jepler> It's OK, I figured it out
[01:36:30] <giacus> a very small window in the right-bottom corner
[01:36:47] <giacus> frame*
[01:38:23] <giacus> I've no windows here, just frame
[01:38:40] <A-L-P-H-A> pip?
[01:39:36] <giacus> no..
[01:39:53] <giacus> better to explain is to show that:
http://www.giacus.org/files/shot3.png
[01:40:28] <giacus> in the right corner you should find it :)
[01:42:06] <giacus> what about the 3 monitors and xorg, solved ?
[01:45:13] <A-L-P-H-A> NO
[01:45:18] <A-L-P-H-A> it's not solved.
[01:45:21] <A-L-P-H-A> it's driving me nuts
[01:46:58] <giacus> hehe, you're right
[01:47:17] <giacus> that's a black beast
[01:48:23] <jepler> http://bink.nu/Article7370.bink <snort>
[01:50:44] <A-L-P-H-A> I will not use it.
[01:51:53] <jepler> me either
[01:54:48] <giacus> 4 dvd ?
[01:54:58] <A-L-P-H-A> it's a giant virus
[01:55:36] <giacus> they probably are 4 identical xp copies
[01:55:52] <giacus> when crash the first automatically boot the second
[01:56:04] <giacus> and so on
[01:56:09] <A-L-P-H-A> heh
[01:57:02] <giacus> but for that a supercomputer is required :D
[01:57:44] <giacus> 1 terabyte ram
[01:58:11] <Jymm> supercomputer has a LOT more than 1tb ram
[01:58:19] <Jymm> at least hte one in SD
[01:58:56] <giacus> you're talking about the NASA ?
[01:59:05] <Jymm> no NSF
[01:59:10] <Jymm> no, NSF
[02:00:07] <Jymm> http://www.diggov.org/
[02:01:20] <Jymm> ah, here it is...
http://www.sdsc.edu/
[02:02:48] <giacus> nice
[02:03:22] <jepler> sigh, I remember reading about how the new CPUs that could directly address 16384MB of RAM. The article talked about how nobody, except maybe the government, could afford that much RAM.
[02:03:23] <Jymm> more than 1.4 petabytes of online disk storage
[02:03:31] <jepler> now you talk about terabytes of RAM
[02:03:36] <Jymm> 15.6 teraflops of computing power
[02:03:48] <Jymm> has 2048 processors
[02:04:40] <jepler> (this was the 65816 or something)
[02:05:03] <giacus> I really like the SETI project
[02:05:13] <Jymm> NSF is HIGHLY related to NSA and a few other "unknown" agencys =)
[02:05:18] <giacus> old, but was a nice idea
[02:07:18] <jepler> SETI@home is in the class of "embarassingly parallel" programs, I guess
[02:12:56] <Jymm> SETI was popular just after all the SciFi movies came out iirc.
[02:13:32] <Jymm> * Jymm ponders watching close encounters again
[02:15:46] <Jymm> Jymm is now known as CodeWithIdiots
[02:15:54] <CodeWithIdiots> CodeWithIdiots is now known as CodesWithIdiots
[02:21:50] <A-L-P-H-A> logger_aj, bookmark
[02:21:50] <A-L-P-H-A> See
http://81.196.65.201/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-06-10#T02-21-50
[02:22:12] <A-L-P-H-A> logger_aj, help
[02:22:30] <giacus> Goodnight all
[02:35:28] <A-L-P-H-A> http://wiki.x.org/wiki/ModularDevelopersGuide#head-ef8aae011f5ba67c1884a28bb2f998fa87a46f95
[02:46:52] <A-L-P-H-A> logger_aj: bookmark
[02:46:52] <A-L-P-H-A> See
http://81.196.65.201/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-06-10#T02-46-52
[03:30:54] <A-L-P-H-A> stupid game of robots... it's killing my productivity
[04:03:56] <A-L-P-H-A> so freak'n bloody complex to compile X.org
[07:55:35] <robin_sz> meep?
[10:00:05] <alex_joni> * alex_joni yawns
[10:17:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hi
[10:18:30] <alex_joni> morning
[10:20:41] <giacus> morning
[10:24:01] <alex_joni> hi jacky
[10:24:59] <giacus> hello alex_joni
[10:31:46] <alex_joni> what's up?
[10:32:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: the ceiling
[10:32:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ;)
[10:32:26] <alex_joni> not here
[10:32:35] <giacus> playng with media files
[10:37:56] <alex_joni> * alex_joni installs synergy
[10:39:29] <alex_joni> hmm... this is great ;)
[10:39:59] <alex_joni> not using 2 mice & keyboards anymore :D
[10:41:36] <giacus> touchscreen ?
[10:41:44] <alex_joni> no.. synergy
[10:41:49] <giacus> oh..
[10:41:57] <alex_joni> lets you share your mouse & keyboard across more than one PC
[10:42:07] <giacus> nice
[10:42:11] <alex_joni> very
[10:44:22] <alex_joni> too bad you can't drag windows from one PC to the other :D
[10:46:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: a VNC-esque app?
[10:46:57] <alex_joni> http://synergy2.sourceforge.net
[10:48:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra> looks like an adaptation of VNC-esque software with clipboard/other small stuff support. Nevertheless, good stuff
[10:49:30] <alex_joni> it doesn't forward images
[10:49:45] <alex_joni> only allows you to simply use one mouse & keyboard on more than one PC
[10:50:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what is the difference between that and vnc in a lan?
[10:50:36] <alex_joni> vnc forwards the whole X
[10:50:50] <alex_joni> here you simply move the mouse out of one screen, and into the next one
[10:51:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh! each computer has it's own screen?
[10:51:05] <alex_joni> it assumes bothe PC's are close to each other (phisically)
[10:51:12] <alex_joni> yeah
[10:51:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, that's a big difference, OK, now I get it. (I had though that they shared a screen)
[10:52:15] <alex_joni> it's better in some cases
[10:53:18] <robin_sz> meep?
[10:54:00] <alex_joni> meep
[10:54:07] <robin_sz> it goes well?
[10:54:12] <alex_joni> I heard so
[10:54:18] <robin_sz> good
[10:54:24] <alex_joni> back in uk?
[10:54:31] <robin_sz> na, .ch
[10:54:37] <alex_joni> oh.. geneve?
[10:54:40] <robin_sz> yeah
[10:54:46] <robin_sz> sunny geneva!
[10:54:48] <alex_joni> do they even know english over there?
[10:54:51] <alex_joni> :-P
[10:54:54] <robin_sz> sure, some
[10:55:05] <robin_sz> I can do a bit of french when I have to
[10:55:19] <alex_joni> nifty
[10:55:28] <robin_sz> it used to be 50/50 english french in the office
[10:55:33] <robin_sz> now its mostly french
[10:55:38] <alex_joni> heh
[10:55:41] <robin_sz> with some english and german
[10:55:50] <alex_joni> how's stuff at the stables? all good I hope
[10:56:05] <robin_sz> yeah, think so, children causing trouble as usual
[10:56:16] <alex_joni> lol.. more flooding of the house?
[10:56:32] <robin_sz> mummy, come quickly, the two little ones are on top of your car
[10:56:37] <robin_sz> ok, in a minute
[10:56:45] <robin_sz> now, come now, tom is peeing on it
[10:57:00] <alex_joni> lol
[10:57:27] <robin_sz> I am still not sure how a 3yr old gets on top of a BMW ..
[10:57:58] <robin_sz> the kempii welder I got are OK
[10:58:04] <alex_joni> nice
[10:58:07] <alex_joni> how about the bot?
[10:58:11] <robin_sz> they had 0.8 wire ...
[10:58:20] <robin_sz> how useless is 0.8 huh?
[10:58:28] <alex_joni> it's ok for thin stuff
[10:58:34] <alex_joni> have a few customers who use it
[10:58:40] <robin_sz> yeahm like 2mm and less
[10:58:43] <alex_joni> for 1.5mm sheets & such
[10:58:49] <robin_sz> right
[10:59:02] <robin_sz> but useless on 3mm +
[10:59:20] <robin_sz> unless you spray
[10:59:55] <robin_sz> the bot is on hold for a few more weeks
[11:03:03] <alex_joni> ok..ok
[12:36:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra_> test
[12:36:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra_> Lerneaen_Hydra_ is now known as Lerneaen_Hydra
[12:36:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra> test
[13:53:30] <alex_joni> never knew there are quite as many distributions
[13:53:32] <alex_joni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
[14:00:12] <jepler> I wonder if Offset / Touch Off should be unavailable until the axis is homed
[14:00:23] <jepler> ("greyed out")
[14:02:53] <jepler> I suppose that will only serve to annoy the people who don't know the value of soft limits
[14:12:25] <alex_joni> might be so
[14:14:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra> jepler: I'm not sure of the usefulness of softlimits in all machines
[14:14:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> jepler: so hardcoding a greyed out touch off before a home maybe isn't all too good
[14:15:57] <jepler> most people with simple cartesian machines would benefit from using soft limits. and axis lacks some features needed for the "non-trivial kinematics" machines.
[14:18:46] <alex_joni> jepler: I'm not sure what's best, but I know that on welding robots you can't do much before homing
[14:18:56] <alex_joni> speeds are reduced to 25% max
[14:19:02] <alex_joni> and you can't run programs
[14:19:49] <alex_joni> but Homing is done on startup, and when it fails it's an error condition
[14:20:00] <jepler> http://www.logarithmic.net/pfh/blog/01149932128
[14:21:37] <alex_joni> jepler: lol
[14:22:58] <jepler> one of my cats loves to watch the "atlantis" screensaver
[14:23:37] <alex_joni> not sure I know that
[14:23:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> jepler: homing without home-switches it rather needless
[14:24:01] <jepler> /usr/lib/xscreensaver/atlantis -gradient
[14:24:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra> at least if you want soft-limits
[14:27:41] <jepler> emc2 doesn't apply soft limits unless the axis is homed
[14:30:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what is the point of greying out the touch off box unless you home the axes if the hardware doesn't have home-switches
[14:31:32] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: you can home without homeswitches
[14:33:33] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni. yeah... but zero guarantee of repeatability.
[14:33:50] <alex_joni> that's what touch off is for then
[14:34:10] <A-L-P-H-A> that touch off could be used as a home switch
[14:37:04] <jepler> Lerneaen_Hydra: homing by eye can easily give 2mm repeatability, which with soft limits is enough to ensure you can't run the table off the end of the screws without losing much useful range of the machine.
[14:38:48] <jepler> then use touch off to get the offset to the workpiece
[14:39:00] <jepler> bbl
[14:39:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> jepler: hmm, good point
[14:39:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I'm not sure you should force people to home first though
[14:39:30] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: no-one's forcing
[14:39:43] <alex_joni> but using offset with unhomed axes leads to bad things
[14:39:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: AFAICT jepler wanted to force homing first
[14:40:01] <A-L-P-H-A> I need to mount some home switches...
[14:40:23] <Bo^Dick> is the programming procedure for the pic16f series the same as for the pic18f?
[14:40:33] <Lerneaen_Hydra> or rather, was considering forcing
[14:40:56] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: right, and given the alternative I think it's sane
[14:41:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra> but why force them to home and not just leave the choice up to the user?
[14:44:08] <alex_joni> I think the choice to gray out a button belongs to the one writing the GUI
[14:44:22] <alex_joni> if the user still likes to use offsets, he can still use them in MDI
[14:45:27] <A-L-P-H-A> Bo^Dick, wouldn't it be, erase, program, verify, test?
[14:47:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: touch off doesn't (AFAIK) have a comparable command in the interpreter
[14:47:51] <alex_joni> hmm.. I thought it sets an offset?
[14:48:25] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yes it's an offset, but it behaves differently compared to g92 or other offsets
[14:49:34] <alex_joni> sorry, don't know specifics
[14:49:41] <alex_joni> but I bet you can still write it in MDI
[14:49:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, ok
[14:51:37] <Bo^Dick> i was thinking if a hardware designed for the pic16f and pic16c series could be used for the pic18f as well
[14:53:55] <Bo^Dick> i've tried the "PIC-PG3" hardware
[14:54:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> Bo^Dick: there may be other irc channels better for such questions then here...
[14:55:37] <alex_joni> 'better suited' = more likely to have these answers
[14:56:08] <SWPadnos> http://www.microchip.com has those answers
[14:56:18] <alex_joni> hi swampy
[14:56:31] <SWPadnos> you didn't see me. I'm not really here ;)
[14:57:04] <alex_joni> you don't exist. go away
[14:57:13] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[14:57:23] <SWP_Away> ;)
[15:01:37] <alex_joni> 9.21. "You don't exist. Go away."
[15:01:38] <alex_joni> This is not a viral infection. It comes from programs like write,
[15:01:38] <alex_joni> talk, and wall, if your invoking UID doesn't correspond to a valid
[15:01:38] <alex_joni> user (probably due to /etc/passwd being corrupted), or if the session
[15:01:38] <alex_joni> (pseudoterminal, specifically) you're using isn't properly registered
[15:01:40] <alex_joni> in the utmp file (probably because you invoked it in a funny way).
[15:02:49] <mess> hi all
[15:03:24] <alex_joni> bon jour
[15:03:32] <mess> ca va???
[15:04:19] <mess> who's an xp guru... the wife's machine is booting to a blank dead desktop
[15:06:13] <mess> theres a working mouse pointer and no icons or anything
[15:07:58] <alex_joni> odd
[15:08:08] <alex_joni> how abou safemode?
[15:10:33] <mess> f7 right??
[15:11:09] <alex_joni> f8
[15:12:44] <mess> i get the welcome splash...and task manager showes no processes
[15:13:28] <alex_joni> try to run one
[15:13:31] <alex_joni> explorer
[15:13:41] <mess> from what??
[15:13:47] <alex_joni> task manager
[15:14:24] <mess> i seem to have gotten into safe mode
[15:17:30] <mess> system restore to last friday
[15:18:50] <alex_joni> VMware Server is pretty cool
[15:29:34] <A-L-P-H-A> hey mess
[15:29:46] <mess> sup
[15:29:56] <A-L-P-H-A> took photos of the wires...
[15:30:04] <A-L-P-H-A> looking to figure it out how to wire it in series now.
[15:57:42] <jepler> axis's "touch off" simply issues the appropriate g54 x- y- or z- command
[15:57:45] <jepler> er
[15:57:51] <jepler> g10 l2 p1 x- y- or z-
[15:58:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra_> jepler: oh, it's just a g10?
[15:58:54] <jepler> yes
[15:59:16] <jepler> offset_command = "g10 L2 p1 %c%9.4f\n" % (vars.current_axis.get(), posit
[15:59:16] <jepler> ion)
[15:59:16] <jepler> c.mdi(offset_command)
[15:59:23] <jepler> oops, excuse the bad paste
[15:59:35] <alex_joni> jepler: good enough :)
[16:18:21] <K4ts> hello
[16:19:17] <A-L-P-H-A> hello
[16:19:31] <K4ts> hi A-L-P-H-A
[16:22:06] <K4ts> K4ts is now known as K4ts_afk
[16:25:17] <A-L-P-H-A> if I'm gonna buy stepper motors, what should I be looking for if I'm using gecko g201s? Bipolor or unipolar?
[16:25:35] <alex_joni> I think bipolar
[16:25:51] <alex_joni> but gecko has a nice paper on stepper motors
[16:29:24] <A-L-P-H-A> I just read it again... [well, skimmed]
[16:30:35] <A-L-P-H-A> HMMMMMMMMMMMMMm.
[16:30:53] <A-L-P-H-A> I think i've been fucking up the motors... as I've been perhaps, giving it full current, instead of the half current...
[16:31:50] <A-L-P-H-A> but no... I think I've got it parallel... not series. I'll have to tripple check this again.
[16:31:51] <A-L-P-H-A> CRAP.
[16:48:46] <fenn> you FOOL
[16:56:13] <dmessier> yo need another set of eyes???
[16:56:39] <dmessier> put the crack pipe down FIRST
[16:57:04] <A-L-P-H-A> nah... just woke up too early today.
[16:57:14] <A-L-P-H-A> debating on napping, or continuing this...
[16:57:14] <alex_joni> no dope around machines with tools
[16:57:23] <dmessier> i slept in myself... ; )
[16:57:26] <alex_joni> especially cutting tools
[16:57:29] <A-L-P-H-A> looking at purchasing a pair of motors at oriental motor...
[16:57:53] <dmessier> where is that??
[16:58:02] <A-L-P-H-A> us somewhere... <shrug>
[16:58:07] <A-L-P-H-A> their motors are highly recommended.
[16:58:12] <A-L-P-H-A> 1.10725CDN = 1 USD.
[16:58:15] <A-L-P-H-A> not bad.
[16:58:45] <A-L-P-H-A> $137 too $308USD for a motor...
[16:58:46] <dmessier> i find it makes me more careful... doublecheck everything... & a perfect part at the end
[16:58:51] <A-L-P-H-A> http://catalog.orientalmotor.com/results/stepping-motors--1068/pk-series-stepping-motors?cid=1002&plpver=11&categid=1068&prodid=1048&action=&forward=&backtoname=
[16:58:59] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah. exactly.
[16:59:09] <A-L-P-H-A> not touching those parts till later... after the machine is setup perfectly.
[16:59:20] <A-L-P-H-A> the machine just needs to fun faster... 10ipm is pathetic.
[16:59:32] <A-L-P-H-A> worse case scenario... I buy new steppers/servos, whatever. :)
[16:59:47] <dmessier> 10 ipm you still only have 6 hrs wrk there
[17:00:23] <dmessier> DONT be buying for THIS job... i have plans for stuff
[17:01:08] <dmessier> we can make and ..im sure Everton will jump on financing... you hear hom..
[17:01:22] <dmessier> him
[17:02:38] <dmessier> I'll find/make a 1/8 concave cutter and we will di the small pcs in 1 set-up
[17:02:50] <dmessier> do
[17:03:17] <dmessier> the larger pcs i will need to find the catia file
[17:05:49] <A-L-P-H-A> the small piece, the sq stock pieces?
[17:06:01] <dmessier> yeah
[17:06:07] <dmessier> mill work
[17:06:13] <A-L-P-H-A> oh.
[17:06:30] <A-L-P-H-A> no lathe work? :( lathe work is so much easier, as the system work 100%.
[17:06:47] <A-L-P-H-A> I still want the damn system to work properly.
[17:07:02] <dmessier> i have OTHER lathe work for ya
[17:07:06] <A-L-P-H-A> heh
[17:07:42] <dmessier> nice steel parts..
[17:08:18] <dmessier> can you id clamp??
[17:09:32] <A-L-P-H-A> yup
[17:09:34] <A-L-P-H-A> what size?
[17:09:54] <A-L-P-H-A> I think my ID clampping size range is like 1.5" to 6". (but 6 is really pushing it)
[17:10:05] <dmessier> you tell me... i'll get jaws made..
[17:10:25] <dmessier> cool.... we are swweeet them..
[17:11:02] <dmessier> we'll need to turn a few balls too
[17:11:55] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll need to see drawings... either dxf/dwf/dwg or napkins.
[17:12:59] <dmessier> thhis is a naptin project... and i watch you eat it
[17:13:38] <dmessier> you ARE an acad fan arent you... ; )
[17:13:58] <A-L-P-H-A> been using it since grade 9...
[17:14:02] <A-L-P-H-A> so that's what? '94?
[17:14:13] <A-L-P-H-A> so 12 years or so...
[17:15:16] <dmessier> lol i was introduced in '88-'89... came from a mini system based on unix... i hated it
[17:17:50] <A-L-P-H-A> k... heading to neighbours house for coffee... I'll be back later.
[17:20:29] <dmessier> im off too.. ; )
[17:29:56] <K4ts_afk> K4ts_afk is now known as K4ts
[17:30:35] <K4ts> K4ts is now known as K4ts_afk
[18:19:26] <K4ts_afk> K4ts_afk is now known as K4ts
[18:20:20] <K4ts> K4ts is now known as K4ts_afk
[18:22:05] <K4ts_afk> K4ts_afk is now known as K4ts
[19:49:03] <K4ts> hello
[19:49:58] <mess> hi all
[19:50:03] <K4ts> bonsoir mess
[19:50:23] <mess> comment sa va la belle???
[19:50:48] <K4ts> ça va tres mal
[19:51:01] <mess> pour quio??
[19:51:09] <mess> quoi??
[19:52:14] <K4ts> aujourd'hui journée noire
[19:52:42] <mess> qu'est qi ca passe???
[19:53:06] <Jymmmmm> Jymmmmm is now known as Jymmm
[19:54:28] <K4ts> problems
[19:54:41] <mess> with>??
[19:54:50] <jepler> I hate tk
[19:55:08] <jepler> the widgets don't look themable, and some of the widgets look downright terrible (e.g., the radiobutton indicator)
[19:55:30] <jepler> any year now they'll release 8.5 with "tile" themable widgets, but you can't write code that works with tile widgets and with tk8.4 and earlier
[19:55:34] <K4ts> avec des fils
[19:55:47] <mess> quelle??
[19:55:49] <jepler> I might as well rewrite axis for gtk or wxpython as rewrite it for tile
[19:55:59] <K4ts> mon fil
[19:56:23] <mess> ta fils??
[19:56:33] <fenn> what is "tile"?
[19:57:25] <jepler> fenn: "tile" is a set of new widgets for Tk that are themeable
[19:57:45] <jepler> for instance, it there is a tile "button" widget, but it's not compatible with the original Tk "button" widget
[19:58:03] <fenn> that seems really odd
[19:58:25] <fenn> the whole point of widgets is that its an OO interface, so they should in theory be able to make it do whatever it wants to do
[19:58:26] <jepler> e.g.,
http://tktable.sourceforge.net/tile/screenshots/windowsxp.html
[19:58:43] <jepler> well, you understand that, and I understand that, but the people implementing "next gen" functionality in Tk don't seem to
[20:00:06] <mess> recois tu mes mesage privee??
[20:00:17] <fenn> its also weird they dont have any QT themeing
[20:00:22] <K4ts> no
[20:01:12] <K4ts> toi?
[20:02:38] <mess> oui..
[20:03:55] <K4ts> moi no
[20:03:59] <mess> qu'elle age tou fils
[20:04:09] <K4ts> 15
[20:04:59] <mess> K4ts #messier
[20:51:09] <alex_joni> jepler: "Tile widgets complement the existing Tk widgets"
[20:51:21] <alex_joni> that sounds to me like the current stuff won't get dropped
[20:51:33] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/components/encoder.c:
[20:51:33] <CIA-8> Added a 'times 1' mode to the software encoder counter. The default is still
[20:51:33] <CIA-8> 'times 4' which counts on every encoder transition, but 'times 1' can be used if
[20:51:33] <CIA-8> you want to count only once per complete quadrature cycle. Closes feature
[20:51:33] <CIA-8> request 1503369.
[20:51:48] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: nice one
[20:52:27] <K4ts> night
[20:52:38] <jmkasunich> submitted 6/9, closed 6/10 ;-)
[20:52:41] <alex_joni> gÄnight K4ts
[20:52:46] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: you're spoiling them
[20:52:56] <alex_joni> they'll get used to this
[20:53:34] <jmkasunich> nah
[20:53:44] <jmkasunich> the average age is still something like 400 days :-(
[20:54:09] <alex_joni> at least that's not years
[20:54:12] <jmkasunich> in fact all but one of the open feature requests are from 2004
[20:54:31] <jmkasunich> we should take the "lathe support" request and split it into several
[20:54:44] <jmkasunich> because there are several parts to lathe support, some done, some not
[20:55:10] <alex_joni> right
[20:58:28] <skunkworks> nice wrok
[20:58:30] <skunkworks> work
[20:58:43] <skunkworks> alex - still - so far so good.
[20:59:13] <alex_joni> skunkworks: still?
[20:59:18] <alex_joni> what did you do so far?
[21:00:03] <skunkworks> playing around with configs mostly - tonight I think it will mill
[21:00:16] <skunkworks> will mill
[21:00:24] <alex_joni> coo
[21:00:47] <skunkworks> it will be nice to see how the 2.8ghz runs
[21:01:14] <skunkworks> no more lockups since I set the screen saver to "blank"
[21:01:19] <skunkworks> ;)
[21:01:32] <alex_joni> that sounds great
[21:01:47] <skunkworks> played a little with halscope in head - but I really don't know what I am doing yet.
[21:02:00] <alex_joni> skunkworks: join the club
[21:03:12] <skunkworks> downloading sp2 for xp - network install 266mb
[21:03:25] <skunkworks> 102KBs
[21:03:37] <jmkasunich> XP, don't remind me...
[21:03:43] <jmkasunich> my wife's hard disk died
[21:04:08] <mess> good evening all.
[21:04:10] <jmkasunich> she did a re-install of XP on the new disk, it can't find sound or ethernet drivers
[21:04:28] <jmkasunich> with linux, it just works... with doze you gotta fsck around
[21:04:43] <skunkworks> eww - I am fixing a totaly spyware/virus computer from a local company. pretty close to done - still sp1 though
[21:05:00] <mess> thx to i forget who... wifie's xp box is up and shes a happy girl
[21:05:01] <skunkworks> jmkasunich: you know - a few years ago it was the other way around
[21:05:22] <jmkasunich> her computer is a dell, about 2 years old (I think) and she used the OS CD that came with it
[21:05:24] <jmkasunich> no idea what SP that is
[21:05:31] <jmkasunich> skunkworks, yeah, I know
[21:05:48] <jmkasunich> I love the irony of that statement
[21:05:51] <skunkworks> I have been very impressed with the ubuntu and even the bdi installs
[21:07:30] <alex_joni> mess: what was the problem in the end?
[21:15:35] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/motenc/motenc_motion.hal: change motenc sample config so it doesn't use index pulses - that is under construction right now
[21:23:48] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/univpwm/univpwm_io.hal: change ppmc sample config so it doesn't use index pulses - that is under construction right now
[21:23:48] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/univstep/univstep_io.hal: change ppmc sample config so it doesn't use index pulses - that is under construction right now
[21:25:54] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/m5i20/m5i20_motion.hal: change m5i20 sample config so it doesn't use index pulses - that is under construction right now
[21:42:19] <alex_joni> http://www.johnsadowski.com/big_spanish_castle.html
[21:44:17] <jmkasunich> cool
[21:44:32] <alex_joni> wasn't meant for you.. you keep working there
[21:44:36] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: :-P
[21:45:02] <jmkasunich> make me!
[21:45:20] <alex_joni> you don't want that.. do you?
[21:49:50] <A-L-P-H-A> There's phases to a stepper motor. represented as: A+, A-, B+, B-. Or Phases paired A, B, paired C, D.
[21:50:33] <A-L-P-H-A> With a 8 wire motor... would it matter if i'm going in series... how if I connected the phases of one pair backwards?
[21:50:49] <jmkasunich> yes it matters
[21:51:12] <Jymmm> jmkasunich: You keep working or were going to take away your broadband and give you a 300BAUD modem on a shitty line instead!
[21:51:13] <A-L-P-H-A> what would happened to my stepper driver if I 'did' accidentally connect one set backwards? The motor just clicks? or blows up?
[21:51:29] <jmkasunich> maybe blows up
[21:51:40] <jmkasunich> there is an easy test (before you run the motor)
[21:51:50] <A-L-P-H-A> how?
[21:51:51] <Jymmm> short the wings
[21:51:54] <Jymmm> windings
[21:52:06] <jmkasunich> after you've connected two windings in series, you have two ends left
[21:52:14] <jmkasunich> short em and try to turn the motor
[21:52:23] <jmkasunich> if it turns easily, you got it wrong
[21:52:29] <A-L-P-H-A> hand one one sec...
[21:52:32] <Jymmm> if you have resistance when turning, then you found the pair
[21:52:39] <jmkasunich> zactly
[21:53:06] <A-L-P-H-A> okay...
[21:53:12] <A-L-P-H-A> lets give the background.
[21:53:16] <Jymmm> Also... if you wire one pair on MotorA to a pair on MotorB, when you turn MotorA, MotorB will turn too
[21:53:43] <A-L-P-H-A> I wired in parallel... I know which of the 8 wires goes where for parallel... but series I'm at a loss.
[21:53:57] <A-L-P-H-A> okay...
[21:54:05] <A-L-P-H-A> let me just draw this to make sure I got it right...
[21:54:49] <jmkasunich> for parallel, assume you connected A1 to A3 and A2 to A4 (numbers are arbitrary)
[21:55:25] <jmkasunich> for parallel, you connect one side of the drive to the A1/A3 pair, and the other side to the A2/A4 pair
[21:55:47] <A-L-P-H-A> okay... here's my think...
[21:56:03] <A-L-P-H-A> I know how to get all the wires for one coil... or the series coil pair...
[21:56:10] <jmkasunich> for series, connect A1 to one side of the drive, hook A2 to A3, and hook A4 to the other side of the drive
[21:56:32] <A-L-P-H-A> I know which ones to short together... I know how two ends (per coil), making 4 leads to the stepper driver.
[21:57:12] <A-L-P-H-A> I just don't know which lead is Phase A or B... or Phase C or D. I know not to mix phase A with C or D... and B with C or D.
[21:57:33] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A what is the motor mfg/model# ?
[21:58:03] <A-L-P-H-A> let me go get that... I've been looking for the last two minutes of the wiring I wrote down years ago... probably tossed. :(
[21:58:48] <Jymmm> jmkasunich I know on 3ph if you screw it up, you switch any two phase to get back on par. what about 4 ph ?
[22:00:03] <A-L-P-H-A> brb
[22:09:36] <A-L-P-H-A> this is the parallel setup.
[22:09:36] <A-L-P-H-A> Phase -> Stepper wires
[22:09:36] <A-L-P-H-A> (Phase A) red -> blue + yellow
[22:09:36] <A-L-P-H-A> (Phase B) white -> Red + white
[22:09:36] <A-L-P-H-A> (Phase C) green -> Green + brownish-beige
[22:09:36] <A-L-P-H-A> (Phase D) black -> black + orange
[22:09:46] <A-L-P-H-A> sec with the name plate
[22:15:26] <A-L-P-H-A> can't read the model number... going back to see if I can try the other motor.
[22:15:27] <A-L-P-H-A> :(
[22:16:03] <A-L-P-H-A> it's an shinano kenshi motor... www.shinano.com doesn't have the same wire color leads as what I have now...
[22:16:06] <A-L-P-H-A> this motor is old.
[22:22:16] <A-L-P-H-A> figured ut the modem number... SST83D3C010... but it's 8 wire.
[22:22:21] <A-L-P-H-A> not 6.
[22:24:23] <A-L-P-H-A> damn... it's supposedly 2770 oz/in steppers.
[22:24:32] <A-L-P-H-A> yikes.
[22:24:33] <jepler> 8-wire shouldn't pose a problem, should it?
[22:24:39] <jepler> it just gives you a choice of series or parallel
[22:24:41] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah.
[22:25:19] <A-L-P-H-A> I know that... but. my problem is... Lets say I connect the short the windings correctly.
[22:25:22] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm left with 4 wires.
[22:25:29] <A-L-P-H-A> I know which two are paired.
[22:25:52] <A-L-P-H-A> but I don't know which is A+/A-, and B+/B-. know what I'm saying? or does it matter?
[22:26:54] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.shinano.com/xampp/docs/SST83D.pdf mine's the SST83D3C010
[22:27:16] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: got a meter?
[22:27:28] <alex_joni> try measuring resistance
[22:27:41] <jepler> don't think they'll be too low to measure reliably?
[22:28:25] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A: Um 16KG-cm == 222 Oz-in
[22:28:27] <alex_joni> jepler: worked for me
[22:28:49] <Jymmm> http://www.shinano.com/xampp/docs/SST83D.pdf
[22:28:51] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: what current are those?
[22:29:17] <A-L-P-H-A> I did that in google
[22:29:46] <asdfqwega> The PacSci 8-wire stepper I have were A+/B+/A-/B- pairs in a row
[22:29:55] <A-L-P-H-A> , a new medicine that may help calm urges to overreact to life's unfortunate moments. Side effects may include incontinence, vaginal dryness and a tendency to be stared at in Midtown Manhattan. See our ad in Guns & Ammo magazine for more information."
[22:29:55] <A-L-P-H-A> Closing Scene:
[22:29:57] <A-L-P-H-A> oops
[22:29:58] <asdfqwega> IIRC
[22:30:06] <A-L-P-H-A> SST83D3C010
[22:30:20] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=42+kg%2Fcm+to+oz%2Fin&btnG=Search
[22:30:51] <A-L-P-H-A> I was wrong... 42 kg/cm = 3763.023626 oz/in
[22:31:57] <A-L-P-H-A> asdfqwega, but I don't know which end is the X+ or X-...
[22:32:14] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni. 3.5apms
[22:32:48] <A-L-P-H-A> 4.2V 3.5Amps
[22:33:18] <alex_joni> 1,2 ohms.. definately measurable ;)
[22:33:23] <asdfqwega> I've done the 'trial and error' method with Xylotex drivers - as long as you don't do a dead short, you can mis-wire and suffer no ill effects
[22:33:34] <A-L-P-H-A> okay.
[22:33:41] <jepler> and with a series power resistor to prevent that, it's even safer
[22:33:47] <A-L-P-H-A> if not... I'll be an unhappy camper with a dead gecko.
[22:34:07] <A-L-P-H-A> I also need to have a new resistor in the gecko, to half the current...
[22:34:15] <A-L-P-H-A> it's set for 3.5amps... i now need 1.75amps.
[22:34:17] <asdfqwega> Also make sure that you're connections are good before you apply power - if something pops off due to vibration, that would be bad
[22:34:30] <A-L-P-H-A> roger that.
[22:34:58] <A-L-P-H-A> i'll chop the wires, and do a little tinkering now.
[22:36:28] <asdfqwega> For this stage, terminal strips are your friend
[22:37:33] <asdfqwega> I like the euro-style, with the clamps
[22:42:30] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[22:42:30] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[22:43:45] <asdfqwega> I wonder - does anyone know of any problems with Geckos and EMC?
[22:43:58] <alex_joni> asdfqwega: what problems?
[22:44:26] <asdfqwega> Using parport I/O causing geckos to fry
[22:44:43] <alex_joni> that's not possible
[22:45:01] <alex_joni> at least that's what the gecko manual says..
[22:45:09] <jepler> if you can put digital inputs on the gecko and fry it, it's the fault of the gecko
[22:45:11] <alex_joni> they are using optos on the inputs
[22:45:25] <asdfqwega> I would think that a bad pulse train would simply cause missed steps
[22:45:26] <alex_joni> and they don't have any inputs that might cause this
[22:45:32] <alex_joni> asdfqwega: certainly
[22:45:56] <alex_joni> I see no possibility to fry a gecko with commanded steps or other signals
[22:46:14] <alex_joni> anything coming from the parport is excluded (very few milliamps)
[22:46:25] <alex_joni> did you fry one?
[22:46:39] <alex_joni> probably a short on the motor..
[22:46:41] <asdfqwega> Well, a friend of mine is using Desknc in DOS, on an old laptop - and I want to use a desktop with EMC
[22:46:44] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[22:46:57] <SWPadnos> hi folks
[22:47:07] <asdfqwega> The whole system was designed by Unique Products
[22:47:20] <SWPadnos> asdfqwega, any hardware setup that works with a DOS app will also work with EMC
[22:47:40] <SWPadnos> it's probably possible to screw up grounding or that kind of thing, which of course has nothing to do with EMC
[22:47:50] <asdfqwega> And we had a gecko fry early on, coinciding with my attempts to get it working with EMC1
[22:47:50] <jepler> as far as reliability, make sure steplen, stepspace, dirsetup, dirhold are set appropriately
[22:48:11] <jepler> (those are the names of the emc2 freqgen parameters)
[22:48:37] <jepler> if those are set incorrectly, you may experience "lost" steps because emc2 would be generating a pulse train that doesn't fit whatever the driver requires
[22:48:37] <SWPadnos> or stepgen, presumably
[22:48:41] <jepler> er, yes, stepgen
[22:48:48] <jepler> sorry, "cheap ass servo" on the brain these past few months
[22:48:53] <SWPadnos> heh
[22:48:59] <asdfqwega> That's what I understood to be true, too
[22:49:51] <asdfqwega> But, there's a relative of my friend who works for Timken, who says that if we don't use the original laptop, it'll fry the geckos
[22:50:11] <alex_joni> asdfqwega: right.. and if you don't use DOS you'll lose the laptop warranty
[22:50:17] <asdfqwega> I think that is complete bollux
[22:50:21] <giacus> ?
[22:50:59] <alex_joni> asdfqwega: it's like saying your keyboard works only with doze
[22:51:00] <SWPadnos> the laptop is highly isolated (relative to a standard PC) - it sounds to me like they couldn't figure out how to wire things correctly
[22:51:14] <SWPadnos> and used a laptop to "solve" the problem
[22:51:52] <asdfqwega> SWPadnos: how do you mean? Ground isolation?
[22:51:58] <SWPadnos> something like that
[22:51:58] <giacus> arent the Geckos already isolated for that ?
[22:52:28] <SWPadnos> I don't know the company or the products, but if there's any truth to the claim that only the laptop willowrk, it's probably due to stupid wiring of some sort
[22:52:53] <giacus> they are I guess
[22:52:58] <SWPadnos> yes they are, if the only connection between PC and drive is the common and step/dir
[22:53:21] <asdfqwega> The claim was not made by the company, but by a bystander
[22:53:30] <SWPadnos> ah. then that sounds dumb ;)
[22:53:59] <asdfqwega> The company replaced the gecko under warranty, and we heard back from them - they couldn't figure out why a gecko would fry like it did
[22:54:20] <giacus> probably bad integrator
[22:54:43] <giacus> someone wrote pages on the web with blood, gecko blood ..
[22:54:50] <giacus> about that
[22:55:00] <SWPadnos> well. Geckos connected to a PC as a step generator is a perfectly good solution for motor control
[22:55:16] <asdfqwega> Well, if you saw some of the mickey-mouse stuff this company does....
[22:55:20] <SWPadnos> you should look at the connection documentation on the gecko website and probably on the Yahoo group as well
[22:55:37] <SWPadnos> I'd probably rip out their wiring and do it over correctly
[22:56:51] <asdfqwega> Their control box has no ventilation, and if you set a monitor near it you can see magnetic interference from the PS transformer
[22:57:12] <asdfqwega> Funny thing is, the laptop is supposed to go on top of the control box :P
[22:58:13] <asdfqwega> My theory is that the gecko was simply subject to the hat-shaped curve of electronics mean-time-between-failures
[22:58:38] <SWPadnos> could be
[22:58:39] <A-L-P-H-A> bacl
[22:58:40] <A-L-P-H-A> back
[22:58:41] <asdfqwega> If it's gonna blow, it'll either do it early....or much later
[22:58:51] <SWPadnos> yep - the bathtub curve
[22:58:53] <jepler> reading the gecko 201 documentation, the important part of the step waveform would be the parenthetical part of "Direction setup: 1uS min (20 uS min hold time after Step edge)", emc2's dirhold parameter.
[22:59:27] <alex_joni> this is odd..
http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/
[23:00:05] <A-L-P-H-A> okay... time to strip the wires, test, tin, and solder together.
[23:00:06] <A-L-P-H-A> :D
[23:01:45] <asdfqwega> Be sure to inhale all the magic smoke - it's good for you ;)
[23:02:42] <asdfqwega> The gecko-bong...
[23:03:53] <jepler> alex_joni: I can't quite understand the use for it
[23:04:36] <asdfqwega> For playing a linux-port of Rag-Doll Kung-Fu?
[23:04:42] <SWPadnos> it's from a wearable computing lab - imagine sensors in your gloves or sleeves that allow you to do different things with each hand, simultaneously
[23:05:06] <fenn> there is a lot of cool stuff you can do with multiple pointers, only no software's generally available because it's a chicken-and-egg problem
[23:05:19] <A-L-P-H-A> tester -> red -> blue shorted with yellow -> white -> 3ohms...??!?!
[23:08:13] <A-L-P-H-A> why's the stepper so hard to turn, if none of the wires are shorted?
[23:08:37] <fenn> is there current flowing through it?
[23:08:42] <alex_joni> Babelfish, translating "The Simple Path to Free Computing" into Japanese, and then back out, says "The Simple Road which Releases Calculation".
[23:08:43] <A-L-P-H-A> none atm
[23:08:53] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: is it connected to the gecko?
[23:08:58] <A-L-P-H-A> no.
[23:09:04] <alex_joni> free floating wires?
[23:09:06] <A-L-P-H-A> it's taken, cut from the machine, on my desk
[23:09:07] <fenn> is it full of superglue?
[23:09:11] <alex_joni> and it's very hard to turn?
[23:09:15] <A-L-P-H-A> yup
[23:09:26] <fenn> try filling it with acetone :)
[23:09:26] <A-L-P-H-A> could it be charged atm?
[23:09:33] <A-L-P-H-A> :P
[23:09:36] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: carefull it might explode
[23:09:51] <A-L-P-H-A> lets be serious... I'm really trying to get my machine running.
[23:10:36] <SWPadnos> the stepper will be hard to turn if either (a) there's current in one or more windings or (b) one or more windings is shorted
[23:11:48] <asdfqwega> Some steppers will be hard to start turning, or 'coggy' - once you get them going with your hand, they can move a bit, and then grind to a halt
[23:11:56] <alex_joni> jepler: there's a movie there.. fun to watch
[23:12:12] <asdfqwega> If something was shorted, then it would feel like a viscous damper
[23:12:55] <asdfqwega> And be really hard to turn
[23:13:00] <A-L-P-H-A> I can turn it by hand... jus tstiff.
[23:13:02] <A-L-P-H-A> just stiff
[23:13:14] <SWPadnos> more stiff than if it's disconnected?
[23:13:47] <A-L-P-H-A> I guess just as much? I don't exactly know...I don't have a force guage.
[23:14:01] <A-L-P-H-A> none of the wires are shorted... and it's hard to turn.
[23:14:09] <SWPadnos> I think the difference would be substantial if a winding were shorted or had current flowing
[23:14:18] <SWPadnos> blue shorted with yellow?
[23:14:34] <A-L-P-H-A> atm, it's zero shorts.
[23:14:43] <A-L-P-H-A> i can spin it with my fingers... but it's stiff...
[23:14:51] <SWPadnos> do you havea scope?
[23:15:01] <asdfqwega> So try shorting the pairs together and see what you get
[23:15:06] <A-L-P-H-A> no... I have a PC with a soundcard.
[23:15:14] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A: Ok, take one wire, and short it one at a time to the other wires. You SHOULD feel heavier resistance with turning hte motor on at least one of those.
[23:15:15] <SWPadnos> not the same ;)
[23:15:44] <A-L-P-H-A> yeh, much stiffer
[23:16:19] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A one specific pari is stiffer, or "no matter which wire" is stiffer?
[23:17:07] <Jymmm> and dont just try and turn it a 1/4 turn, really try to make a full turn quickly.
[23:22:00] <A-L-P-H-A> I think the motor's fine.
[23:24:20] <A-L-P-H-A> just to double confirm... parallel = more torque. series = more speed right?
[23:24:33] <A-L-P-H-A> Coils are
[23:24:33] <A-L-P-H-A> Blue + red = 1.6ohms
[23:24:33] <A-L-P-H-A> beige + black = 1.6ohms
[23:24:33] <A-L-P-H-A> orange + green = 1.6ohms
[23:24:33] <A-L-P-H-A> yellow white = 1.6 ohms
[23:25:39] <Jymmm> ok, short out blu & red. is the moror harder to turn?
[23:27:28] <A-L-P-H-A> oh yeah
[23:27:34] <A-L-P-H-A> bearly turnable
[23:27:47] <Jymmm> ok, try the big & blk pair now
[23:27:55] <Jymmm> disconnecting the first pair
[23:28:07] <A-L-P-H-A> same
[23:28:11] <fenn> series => more turns per coil => higher back emf (more volts/rev), so it would go slower
[23:28:24] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A try the next two pair now...
[23:28:48] <fenn> for a given voltage
[23:28:51] <davidf> A-L-P-H-A, I gave you a bum steer a couple weeks ago on that issue, I'm afraid.
[23:28:56] <A-L-P-H-A> same for the other two.
[23:29:08] <fenn> but you dont want to go over 1000rpm with steppers really
[23:29:15] <fenn> unless your name is robin_sz
[23:29:17] <A-L-P-H-A> so I was wired in parallel to begin with... :(
[23:29:28] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't need 1000rpm.
[23:29:29] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A ok, for shits and giggles, short two pair... like blu&read, then org & grb
[23:29:47] <fenn> heck why dont you just try both ways and see which works better?
[23:29:51] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A at the same time, but not all 4 wires together of course =)
[23:30:12] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm, un turnable w/combo
[23:30:24] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A =)
[23:30:34] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm... I gotta bold for a few hours...
[23:30:49] <A-L-P-H-A> so... crappy... I cut the wires for no good... I was in parallel already.
[23:30:57] <A-L-P-H-A> bold=bolt
[23:31:12] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A hasta! but at least you know the apirs now
[23:31:24] <A-L-P-H-A> Yeah... I new the pairs from the ohm tester...
[23:31:32] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A the more pairs you short, the bitcher it is to turn
[23:31:50] <A-L-P-H-A> well... this just sucks, that the motor is going at the speed it is.
[23:31:51] <A-L-P-H-A> :(
[23:31:54] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A Actually, shorting the pairs is one form of braking
[23:32:00] <A-L-P-H-A> something's wrong... just don't know what it is to get the shitty speeds.
[23:32:09] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A but most drivers dont support it
[23:32:23] <A-L-P-H-A> k, gotta go... friend's waiting for me.
[23:32:32] <Jymmm> tell her we said hi
[23:33:09] <A-L-P-H-A> it's a guy... but to saving grace, I'm going to the party to meet girls.
[23:33:33] <davidf> A-L-P-H-A, I do apologize for the misinformation. (I did early on too, but guess you didn't see it.
[23:33:55] <A-L-P-H-A> davidf, no harm really... just a little time. :)
[23:34:31] <davidf> Series is better in some cases, though.
[23:34:42] <A-L-P-H-A> ciao 4 now
[23:35:04] <fenn> if you have a high voltage drive it should be more efficient to go series (?)
[23:35:15] <davidf> If your drive cant handle lower impedance of parallel eg.
[23:35:24] <davidf> ciao
[23:36:11] <davidf> That'l teach me. :)
[23:36:23] <davidf> is cradek here?
[23:37:11] <cradek> that depends
[23:37:22] <davidf> ha.
[23:37:28] <davidf> on what?
[23:37:38] <Jymmm> on if you have cash for him
[23:37:41] <cradek> I'll let you know :-)
[23:37:42] <cradek> what's up?
[23:38:27] <davidf> Well, I made some progress. Edited the inch.ini & tried to run emc
[23:38:48] <davidf> But the ap disappears after a few seconds with no explanation.
[23:38:48] <alex_joni> o-o, "tried" doesn't sound too good ;)
[23:38:57] <alex_joni> davidf: open a console, and run 'emc'
[23:39:06] <alex_joni> this will show any errors that appear
[23:39:18] <davidf> ok.
[23:39:22] <alex_joni> I mean terminal (same as console)
[23:39:49] <cradek> applications/accessories/terminal
[23:40:17] <davidf> right.
[23:40:19] <jlcox> jlcox is now known as j_cox
[23:41:09] <davidf> Can't think of where the emc2 executable is.
[23:41:17] <cradek> doesn't matter, just type emc
[23:41:39] <cradek> for all programs you install as packages, they will be in your path
[23:41:43] <davidf> oh. I was typing emc2. There it is...
[23:42:36] <davidf> OK. Well, first of all the Halscope is coming up.
[23:43:15] <davidf> Here's the terminal msg's
[23:43:22] <davidf> dave@ubuntu:~/emc2/configs$ emc
[23:43:22] <davidf> EMC2 - 2.0.1
[23:43:22] <davidf> Machine configuration directory is '/home/dave/emc2/configs/stepper-xyza/'
[23:43:22] <davidf> Machine configuration file is 'inch.ini'
[23:43:22] <davidf> Starting emc...
[23:43:23] <davidf> Traceback (most recent call last):
[23:43:25] <davidf> File "/usr/bin/axis", line 2228, in ?
[23:43:27] <davidf> machine_limit_min[a] = float(inifile.find(section, "MIN_LIMIT")) / unit
[23:43:29] <davidf> ValueError: invalid literal for float(): -2.5.0
[23:43:31] <davidf> Shutting down and cleaning up EMC...
[23:43:33] <davidf> Cleanup done
[23:43:35] <davidf> dave@ubuntu:~/emc2/configs$
[23:43:39] <cradek> ok that's a good error
[23:43:47] <cradek> you've made a mistake editing the ini
[23:43:54] <davidf> I see it. -2.5.0
[23:43:59] <davidf> :)
[23:44:03] <davidf> darn me.
[23:44:32] <davidf> Thanks. That's a real helpful thing to know.
[23:44:49] <davidf> So I gues you were there, right?
[23:45:05] <cradek> sorry?
[23:45:26] <davidf> re "that depends..."
[23:45:37] <cradek> oh right, that was just me being a dork
[23:45:55] <davidf> * davidf is very good at that.
[23:46:19] <alex_joni> oh, cradek is too ;)
[23:46:23] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is kidding..
[23:46:28] <davidf> :)
[23:46:29] <cradek> :-P""
[23:46:34] <alex_joni> :-P
[23:47:28] <davidf> BTW When I view the directory while opening a text file in the text editor, I see 2 files: inch.ini and inch.ini~
[23:47:41] <cradek> often editors make backup files by appending a ~
[23:47:48] <cradek> so if you mess up, you can go back to the previous version
[23:47:59] <davidf> But in the file bwoser, just inch.ini. What's the deal with that?
[23:48:11] <SWPadnos> probably configured to hide *~
[23:48:20] <SWPadnos> since they're often editor backups ;)
[23:48:20] <cradek> maybe the browser hides files it thinks are not important
[23:51:21] <alex_joni> davidf: remember to sign up on frappr ;)
[23:51:28] <alex_joni> http://www.frappr.com/emc2/
[23:51:47] <davidf> alex_joni, what's that?
[23:52:10] <alex_joni> a map with emc users
[23:52:26] <davidf> cool. I will. Thanks
[23:52:57] <alex_joni> probably sign up isn't the best word.. you just put a pin there ;) (and a foto if you have)
[23:56:10] <davidf> Yahoo. Success.
[23:56:23] <alex_joni> does it work?
[23:56:39] <davidf> Yes! Yipee!
[23:56:45] <alex_joni> nice
[23:57:12] <alex_joni> * alex_joni makes another scratch on the cell wall
[23:57:21] <alex_joni> only a couple hundred more, and I can escape
[23:57:27] <davidf> Very slow though. Need to have a look at why now.
[23:57:43] <alex_joni> what is slow?
[23:57:44] <davidf> Hahaha I bet it is like that.
[23:58:06] <davidf> But what makes you think the string of newbs at the door will ever stop?
[23:58:36] <alex_joni> davidf: was joking.. actually I like helping out, and so does everyone else in here
[23:59:09] <davidf> Oh, like 1 inch / min. (hmm... as I recall I specifird for defallt speed.) :)
[23:59:42] <davidf> alex_joni, was a pm?
[23:59:52] <davidf> It is red on my screen.
