#emc | Logs for 2006-10-02

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[01:08:39] <A-L-P-H-A> ...
[01:34:24] <jepler> back
[03:02:43] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/rtapi/sim_rtapi.c: try to sleep the right amount
[03:03:16] <jepler> axis still gives funny speed estimates because if the position doesn't change for one polling period (approx 50 ms) it assumes the machine has stopped
[03:03:33] <jepler> that was a good heuristic for real systems but not for the simulator
[03:03:46] <jepler> 'night
[03:05:10] <jmkasunich> goodnight
[03:05:11] <Jymmm> G'Night Jeff
[03:20:47] <cradek> yay, good time results now
[03:36:03] <jmkasunich> yay, my allocator seems to work
[03:38:10] <jmkasunich> hi ray
[03:40:56] <A-L-P-H-A> hey
[03:42:06] <rayh> Hi guys
[03:42:25] <A-L-P-H-A> wuzzup rayh.. long time.
[03:42:33] <rayh> If I get the network going tomorrow I'll update the stuff on the mazak.
[03:42:44] <jmkasunich> you are at cardinal?
[03:42:49] <rayh> Yep
[03:42:50] <A-L-P-H-A> oh, you're the curator of the mazak
[03:43:10] <rayh> well more a visiting observer
[03:43:49] <jmkasunich> have you been watching the commit list?
[03:43:54] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone got a good diagram of how a Z axis should be made?
[03:44:02] <rayh> You know anything about changing screen resolution to one that wasn't probed.
[03:44:05] <A-L-P-H-A> right now, I'm using the worm gear that came with... but it sucks.
[03:44:09] <jmkasunich> we now have a simulator that works without a RT kernel (thanks to jepler)
[03:44:16] <rayh> No what is happening with commits?
[03:44:27] <A-L-P-H-A> rayh... I know that one... /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change from there manually
[03:44:44] <A-L-P-H-A> I've had my fun with xorg.conf... <trying to get multiple mons working>
[03:45:16] <rayh> Okay. I tried with xorg.conf and trashed gdm startup.
[03:45:39] <A-L-P-H-A> you just take out the res you don't want, and it should go to the one that's left
[03:45:48] <rayh> ah okay.
[03:45:53] <K`zan> Well, I got my problem with squaring blocks resolved :-)!
[03:45:55] <A-L-P-H-A> I hear there' san RandR module, that lets you change on the fly.
[03:46:29] <rayh> I was hoping for something like XF86config
[03:46:29] <K`zan> FTFM :-)
[03:46:37] <A-L-P-H-A> K`zan, I believe alex_joni has the 15meg version of the end mill video... [I don't have it anymore, it's on DVD somewhere]
[03:47:30] <K`zan> A-L-P-H-A: Understand that, I've been looking for my SeaHawk for flightsim for ages, it IS on a DVD someplace safe :-). Thanks for looking.
[04:35:18] <A-L-P-H-A> logger_aj, bookmark
[04:35:18] <A-L-P-H-A> See http://81.196.65.201/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-10-02#T04-35-18
[04:39:50] <anonimasu> K`zan: how did you solve it?
[04:39:53] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[04:39:57] <anonimasu> nice day..
[04:40:10] <anonimasu> * anonimasu just woke up and he's knees are swollen and red
[04:40:12] <anonimasu> :/
[04:40:40] <Jymmm> sleeping wrestling?
[04:40:53] <anonimasu> rheumatism and bad weather :/
[04:41:00] <Jymmm> ouch
[04:43:53] <anonimasu> bleh
[04:43:59] <anonimasu> need to get my car to service today
[04:46:48] <K`zan> anonimasu: I read *and* followed the directions in the Machine Shop Secrets book :-)
[04:46:58] <anonimasu> hehe
[04:47:12] <K`zan> I missed the part about holding the part *high* in the vice, it did make a difference.
[04:47:30] <K`zan> Not totally perfect, but probably as well as I can do with this mill.
[04:47:38] <anonimasu> high?
[04:47:50] <K`zan> Wonder if anyone else here has the HF Micro-Mill?
[04:48:07] <K`zan> anonimasu: Gripping it very low on the part.
[04:48:40] <anonimasu> hm, you mean closer to the bottom?
[04:48:40] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, how do you know how much preload to calculate?
[04:48:42] <K`zan> 1-1/4" parallels (1-3/16 jaw depth IIRC/
[04:48:57] <anonimasu> for ballscrews?
[04:49:01] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah
[04:49:08] <anonimasu> something like 10%
[04:49:13] <A-L-P-H-A> like how much preload do I need.
[04:49:17] <K`zan> No, I mean closer to the top of the jaws, very little out of square to screw up the holding.
[04:49:19] <anonimasu> not much at all..
[04:49:40] <anonimasu> 10 is what the manufacturers recommend
[04:49:41] <anonimasu> :)
[04:49:54] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, 10N ?? that's it's? ot 10lbs?
[04:49:56] <A-L-P-H-A> or
[04:50:02] <anonimasu> 10%
[04:50:07] <A-L-P-H-A> 10% of...?
[04:52:18] <anonimasu> 10% of the standard spring pressure
[04:52:27] <anonimasu> I'd think you dont have to preload that much really
[04:52:47] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm trying to figure this out...
[04:52:50] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm...
[04:53:00] <A-L-P-H-A> if the head weights... say 25kg.
[04:53:11] <anonimasu> I think you need to try it out
[04:53:11] <A-L-P-H-A> I'd probably want 30kg preload...
[04:53:29] <anonimasu> and add preload until it's tight enough
[04:53:37] <anonimasu> I wouldnt run with much preload at all as that increases wear
[04:53:59] <A-L-P-H-A> I've got the design... now I know how to make it.. just not sure how to make the preload.
[04:54:12] <A-L-P-H-A> I got die springs, which are too big... looking at bevel disc springs now.
[04:54:34] <anonimasu> I'd call thoose rockford ballscrews and ask them how much preload their nuts have
[04:54:44] <A-L-P-H-A> disc springs are cheap...
[04:54:49] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, thought it was a custom app.
[04:55:20] <anonimasu> yeah, but you could still ask them
[04:55:44] <anonimasu> I can check later at work
[04:55:44] <A-L-P-H-A> true.
[04:55:51] <anonimasu> I think the SKF book has calculations on it..
[04:57:33] <A-L-P-H-A> "10%-30% of the dynamic load rating..." ahhh.
[04:57:52] <A-L-P-H-A> now how does one figure out the dynamic load ratinging on a mill / axis.
[04:59:00] <anonimasu> hm
[04:59:05] <anonimasu> motioneering might help you with it
[04:59:17] <A-L-P-H-A> duh-huh?
[04:59:27] <A-L-P-H-A> damn.
[04:59:31] <anonimasu> that's what I used for motor calculations
[04:59:44] <anonimasu> http://www.motionvillage.com/motioneering/app_engine/
[05:00:09] <anonimasu> :)
[05:00:27] <A-L-P-H-A> frack
[05:00:31] <anonimasu> ?
[05:00:42] <A-L-P-H-A> I'd have to know the weights of my table... the X and Y+X, and the Z...
[05:00:50] <anonimasu> yeah
[05:00:51] <A-L-P-H-A> friction...
[05:01:19] <A-L-P-H-A> the amount of torque required to move it.
[05:01:34] <A-L-P-H-A> seems a lot more trouble than it's worth ATM.
[05:01:39] <anonimasu> ;)
[05:01:49] <A-L-P-H-A> as I'd have to disassemble my mill to get to all that info.
[05:01:52] <anonimasu> I dont regret doing all thoose calcs for my motors :D
[05:02:06] <A-L-P-H-A> and weigh them...
[05:02:10] <anonimasu> well
[05:02:13] <anonimasu> I need to go to work
[05:02:16] <anonimasu> err
[05:02:18] <anonimasu> go with the car
[05:02:18] <A-L-P-H-A> well, I got BIG motors... so it all worked.
[05:02:33] <anonimasu> I had to check it out to see if I needed bigger
[05:02:43] <A-L-P-H-A> not like I had to buy the motors, they were included with my shop
[05:02:48] <anonimasu> :
[05:02:49] <anonimasu> :)
[05:06:48] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... I'm well withing these. Backlash: The axial free motion between the nut and the screw. It determines the amount of lost motion between the nut and screw on a horizontal application. Backlash on standard nuts range from .005 to .015, depending on the size of the screw.
[05:07:00] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm like 0.00425 on Y, and 0.008 on X.
[06:41:18] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, you kicking around?
[06:44:56] <alex_joni> yeap
[06:45:04] <A-L-P-H-A> pastebining
[06:45:14] <A-L-P-H-A> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO/message/64863 or the pastebin of it... http://pastebin.ca/188522
[06:45:20] <A-L-P-H-A> both contain the same info
[06:46:44] <alex_joni> right
[06:46:54] <A-L-P-H-A> just for my understanding... Watts = Volts X amps... therefore I'm using 4.2 x 3.5 = 14.7... times two, 29.4... and the last motor is 9watts. So I'm using a total of 38.4watts.
[06:47:01] <alex_joni> right
[06:47:12] <alex_joni> that's onyl motor power though
[06:47:19] <alex_joni> the drives themselves use some power too
[06:47:52] <A-L-P-H-A> if I'm running at 60VDC, I should have what as amps? 1.5625 AMPS [minus the drives, and loss to heat]
[06:48:19] <alex_joni> right
[06:48:43] <A-L-P-H-A> So having 2AMP drive should be _just_ enough to be _just_ safe...
[06:48:59] <A-L-P-H-A> err
[06:49:02] <A-L-P-H-A> drive = transformer
[06:49:16] <alex_joni> yeah, but like I said I usually like 1.5 overengineering ;)
[06:49:29] <alex_joni> that makes it 2.34A
[06:49:30] <alex_joni> :)
[06:49:50] <alex_joni> 2.34A * 60 V = ~140VA
[06:50:00] <alex_joni> so a 150VA (common) transformer is what you want :)
[06:50:03] <A-L-P-H-A> k... so my 1.28 overengineering is okay. :)
[06:50:24] <A-L-P-H-A> ahh.
[06:51:14] <A-L-P-H-A> ahh... so it should be 1.5625A x 60V = 93.75VA... which my transformer is rated for 100VA... [bad I know... not much margin]
[06:51:27] <A-L-P-H-A> I have torroidial supplier near me now...
[06:51:35] <A-L-P-H-A> I know the ~$.
[06:51:41] <A-L-P-H-A> but their website is down, so I can't get a number.
[06:52:10] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, you said something about the amps rating is on the primary side of the transformer?
[06:53:03] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: nm the amps rating
[06:53:06] <alex_joni> you shop for VA
[06:53:24] <A-L-P-H-A> well... VA and Secondary V...
[06:53:29] <A-L-P-H-A> and $$$ :)
[06:55:21] <A-L-P-H-A> oh hey... I found a 160VA [email protected] (Parallel) for $70.36...
[06:55:26] <A-L-P-H-A> CDN.
[06:55:32] <A-L-P-H-A> so that means it's 36VAC
[06:55:45] <A-L-P-H-A> 50VDC
[06:55:58] <A-L-P-H-A> am I way off? or right?
[06:57:26] <A-L-P-H-A> http://rocky.digikey.com/WebLib/Hammond/Web%20Data/182%20Series%20Toroid%20Transformers.pdf looking at 182N18
[07:01:44] <alex_joni> you "might" get away with 182M18 too
[07:02:08] <A-L-P-H-A> it's only $7 cheaper.
[07:02:15] <alex_joni> then I'd get the N18
[07:02:21] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah... that's what I thought
[07:04:10] <A-L-P-H-A> 165s30
[07:04:51] <A-L-P-H-A> 2.8V x 2.8A (times two motors). = 15.68 Watts...
[07:06:30] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, we fucked up on the math earlier.
[07:06:40] <A-L-P-H-A> well, I did, and you just went a long. :)
[07:06:51] <A-L-P-H-A> Amps = Watts / Volts
[07:07:09] <A-L-P-H-A> Amps = 38.4Watts / 60V = 0.64Amps
[07:08:07] <A-L-P-H-A> 0.64Amps * 1.5AJ_Overengineered = 0.96Amps*
[07:08:42] <A-L-P-H-A> 0.96Amps * 60V = 57.6 VA
[07:08:57] <A-L-P-H-A> Where as the transformer is 100VA... so... we should be good...
[07:09:05] <A-L-P-H-A> unless... I completely messed up again.
[07:09:20] <A-L-P-H-A> Watts = Amps * Volts, therefore Amps = Watts / Volts. Yeah. that's right.
[07:10:43] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni? where'd you go? :)
[07:11:22] <alex_joni> work calls
[07:11:27] <A-L-P-H-A> later
[07:13:24] <alex_joni> later
[07:24:13] <K`zan> Night folks
[07:24:17] <A-L-P-H-A> K`zan
[07:24:18] <A-L-P-H-A> don't go!
[07:24:30] <A-L-P-H-A> :)
[07:24:32] <A-L-P-H-A> you staying now?
[07:24:35] <A-L-P-H-A> it's early!
[07:24:40] <K`zan> For a moment, what's up?
[07:24:56] <K`zan> Yeah, but I got things to do tomorrow, which means getting up early :-(
[07:24:59] <A-L-P-H-A> nothing... :) you want to learn how to play soduko?
[07:25:13] <K`zan> Not tonight, been a long day and I am beat.
[07:25:19] <K`zan> Later?
[07:25:24] <A-L-P-H-A> made anything? [photos?]
[07:25:42] <K`zan> No, just squared up a block :-) that came out well.
[07:26:00] <A-L-P-H-A> what do you mean squared up a block?
[07:26:02] <K`zan> Probably going to order the xylotex stuff and mounts tomorrow.
[07:26:07] <A-L-P-H-A> make a block have 90° sides?
[07:26:12] <K`zan> yep
[07:26:13] <A-L-P-H-A> made
[07:26:21] <A-L-P-H-A> isn't that easy on a lathe?
[07:26:30] <K`zan> Not on a lathe :-)
[07:26:42] <A-L-P-H-A> how'd you make a block square up?
[07:26:52] <K`zan> Easy on a mill though once you learn how :-).
[07:26:56] <A-L-P-H-A> how?
[07:27:01] <K`zan> Getting all sides square to one another.
[07:27:03] <A-L-P-H-A> that' sa serious question
[07:27:17] <A-L-P-H-A> how did you make a block square on the mill... I know how on a lathe...
[07:27:25] <K`zan> mount block in vice...
[07:27:29] <A-L-P-H-A> I'd use a fly cutter.
[07:27:39] <K`zan> fly cut or use end mill.
[07:28:04] <A-L-P-H-A> so how do you know it's exactly square?
[07:28:08] <A-L-P-H-A> or it's just eyeballed?
[07:28:13] <K`zan> turn over 180 mount high in vice, seat FIRMLY on parallels, clamp. Fly cut or end mill flat.
[07:28:18] <K`zan> Use a square :-).
[07:28:31] <A-L-P-H-A> did you use a surface guage as well?
[07:28:50] <A-L-P-H-A> I fine square stock is usually pretty square (not perfect) for most applications.
[07:28:52] <K`zan> No need for a surface gage, but I need to get one anyway.
[07:28:53] <A-L-P-H-A> fine=find
[07:29:01] <A-L-P-H-A> and a granite block.
[07:29:13] <A-L-P-H-A> some people cheap out, and get granite counter tops.
[07:29:20] <K`zan> that too. Tombstone place almost next door :).
[07:29:35] <A-L-P-H-A> K`zan, sounds lovely where you live.
[07:29:46] <K`zan> These I have were bowed out on the sides...
[07:29:49] <A-L-P-H-A> is there a pet cemetary near by as well?
[07:29:52] <K`zan> Socialist shithole...
[07:30:21] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm a Liberal... so... you say socialist is a bad thing...
[07:30:32] <K`zan> I never thought I could find a place more corrupt than chicago without going to a particularly odious 3rd world country... Heh, come to seattle / WA state.
[07:30:42] <K`zan> Yep, it is a bad thing :).
[07:31:01] <A-L-P-H-A> I wouldn't... I think socialism is a good thing.
[07:31:02] <K`zan> Chicago would be a massive improvement :).
[07:31:26] <A-L-P-H-A> a good balance is Canada...
[07:31:32] <A-L-P-H-A> Neitherlands isn't bad either.
[07:31:34] <K`zan> Well, without running this into offending other people here, howcum every place that tried socialism failed rather mizzerably.
[07:32:00] <A-L-P-H-A> define failed.
[07:32:17] <K`zan> Too long to define tonight, I'm beat.
[07:32:40] <K`zan> Too many examples :-).
[07:32:57] <A-L-P-H-A> uhuh...
[07:33:10] <K`zan> Anyhoo, gonnal fall over, catch ya later today :-).
[07:33:12] <A-L-P-H-A> are you going for communism?
[07:33:13] <K`zan> Night
[07:33:27] <A-L-P-H-A> or are you talking about the capatilism?
[07:35:33] <fenn> Reasonable man tries to adapt himself to the world. Unreasonable man tries to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
[07:36:02] <A-L-P-H-A> How's that logic work?
[07:36:09] <fenn> read it again
[07:36:16] <A-L-P-H-A> I've read it three times.
[07:36:36] <A-L-P-H-A> Oh... got it the 4th time
[07:36:40] <fenn> wow
[07:36:42] <A-L-P-H-A> heh.
[07:36:51] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm slow... it's also 3:30am.
[07:37:30] <fenn> not that i necessarily agree with that viewpoint
[07:37:56] <fenn> but the capitalist/socialist debate got old and tired about 200 years ago
[07:38:43] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm trying to see how her area is socialistic... She complained about capitalism due to Redmond (M$) at the same time.
[07:38:46] <fenn> the real problem in both systems is systematic corruption
[07:39:01] <A-L-P-H-A> same time = last time
[07:39:23] <fenn> microsoft isnt very capitalist
[07:39:30] <A-L-P-H-A> monopolistic...
[07:39:32] <fenn> believe it or not
[07:39:39] <fenn> monopoly is the antithesis of capitalism
[07:39:44] <A-L-P-H-A> true
[07:39:51] <fenn> or at least that's how i was taught
[07:39:59] <A-L-P-H-A> but... I'm talking about the area... cause she was complaining about housing costs...
[07:40:36] <A-L-P-H-A> so... capitalism, and socialism, she complains about both... so I was trying to figure out how Seattle is a socialistic area...
[07:40:55] <fenn> obviously you've never been to the pacific northwest
[07:41:25] <fenn> its a cultural thing more than a specific economic policy
[07:41:33] <A-L-P-H-A> Canada is has a large socialism philosophy, health care, government control of many things... through taxes, levies, tarrifs, controll board, regulations.
[07:42:03] <fenn> yep, canada is probably more socialist in terms of real laws
[07:42:10] <fenn> but thats not how people perceive it
[07:42:37] <A-L-P-H-A> that's why I think it's a good balance. I wasn't debating the point of socialism, but rather how is it socialism.
[07:42:42] <A-L-P-H-A> it being Seattle.
[07:43:10] <A-L-P-H-A> I've Only been in Eastern states, Quebec, and I reside in Ontario.
[07:43:41] <A-L-P-H-A> easter states, NY, NJ, Michigan, Vermont.
[07:43:47] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe one or two more states.
[07:45:41] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, where are you from?
[07:45:51] <fenn> indiana
[07:46:14] <A-L-P-H-A> I know next to nothing about indiana.
[07:46:33] <fenn> well the north half is flat and corn fields as far as the eye can see
[07:46:43] <A-L-P-H-A> and the south half?
[07:46:53] <fenn> the south half is hilly and wooded with some forests
[07:47:00] <fenn> erf
[07:47:12] <A-L-P-H-A> major industries?
[07:47:27] <fenn> only near chicago and the lake
[07:47:37] <fenn> and some in indianapolis
[07:47:46] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: that's pretty much backslasyh
[07:47:55] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu? pardon?
[07:48:01] <fenn> i live in sort of a liberal/hippie oasis
[07:48:10] <anonimasu> 0.004
[07:48:14] <A-L-P-H-A> As I said before, I'm fairly liberal.
[07:48:20] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, yeah... that's my backlash of my systme.
[07:48:22] <A-L-P-H-A> system.
[07:48:23] <anonimasu> :/
[07:48:28] <A-L-P-H-A> 0.00425, and 0.008
[07:48:41] <A-L-P-H-A> within range of rolled ballscrews.
[07:49:13] <fenn> most of the state is incredibly ignorant/prejudiced/religious except for the larger cities (and my little town)
[07:49:31] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, well, I am liberal... I think moderate socialism is good for the people.
[07:49:44] <fenn> OK!
[07:49:56] <fenn> i think i got that already
[07:50:05] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, doubt I'd fit in... I'm Chinese... with a Canadian accent... though some midwest people think I'm from the midwest of the states. [odd]
[07:50:36] <A-L-P-H-A> A-L-P-H-A is now known as Alpha_Liberal
[07:50:39] <fenn> yeah my brother lives in toronto, they have a midwest (newscaster) accent
[07:50:43] <Alpha_Liberal> :D
[07:50:58] <Alpha_Liberal> fenn? serious? You ever visit your bro?
[07:50:58] <anonimasu> Alpha_Social ^_^
[07:51:00] <anonimasu> :D
[07:51:01] <anonimasu> brb
[07:51:24] <Alpha_Liberal> Alpha_Liberal is now known as A-L-P-H-A
[07:51:52] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, but do they get picked out as being foreign?
[07:52:08] <fenn> er.. i dunno
[07:52:10] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm assuming they came from Indiana.
[07:52:25] <fenn> he lives with his chinese canadian fiancee
[07:53:04] <fenn> i havent ever been to canada proper, just niagara falls
[08:51:53] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, know anything about toroidal tranformers?
[08:52:33] <A-L-P-H-A> looking at this... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270035036226&fromMakeTrack=true and trying to figure out how many wires it has, and how to wire it.
[08:53:16] <A-L-P-H-A> ahhh.....
[08:53:19] <A-L-P-H-A> should be 8 wires.
[08:53:24] <A-L-P-H-A> 'should'.
[09:56:53] <anonimasu> no :)
[10:09:26] <anonimasu> I really have no clue :D
[12:11:27] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/scripts/ (halrun.in .cvsignore):
[12:11:27] <CIA-8> add new script "halrun", which creates the realtime environment,
[12:11:27] <CIA-8> runs halcmd with the given arguments, and and then tears down the realtime
[12:11:27] <CIA-8> environment.
[12:11:28] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/ (Makefile configure configure.in):
[12:11:28] <CIA-8> add new script "halrun", which creates the realtime environment,
[12:11:30] <CIA-8> runs halcmd with the given arguments, and and then tears down the realtime
[12:11:34] <CIA-8> environment.
[12:14:47] <jepler> A-L-P-H-A: http://www.hammondmfg.com/5CHook.htm
[12:15:55] <jepler> A-L-P-H-A: if the primary is "115+115" then I think you would choose the Parallel Winding Connection for the Primary.
[12:16:04] <jepler> what you choose for the Secondary depends on your desired output voltage
[12:18:57] <jepler> bbl
[13:19:06] <alex_joni> hi all
[13:19:38] <alex_joni> * alex_joni finally has 5 minutes to take a break
[13:20:02] <anonimasu> nice
[13:20:05] <anonimasu> hello alex :9
[13:20:07] <anonimasu> what's up?
[13:20:26] <alex_joni> eh.. the usual, I hate touching things that work perfectly
[13:20:35] <anonimasu> haha
[13:20:36] <anonimasu> what does?
[13:20:53] <alex_joni> I built a project for time accounting for work
[13:20:56] <alex_joni> using an ethernut
[13:21:17] <alex_joni> now I had to add a LED so that people see better if it worked or not
[13:21:27] <anonimasu> :)
[13:21:40] <alex_joni> that meant taking it apart again, remembering how to debug it, programmer, etc
[13:21:51] <alex_joni> big pita for a 5 minute change
[13:22:27] <anonimasu> :)
[13:51:22] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/ (configure configure.in):
[13:51:22] <CIA-8> when no realtime system is found, mention the simulator. get rid of 'locate' as
[13:51:22] <CIA-8> a last-ditch attempt to find a realtime system, as this can add a minute or more
[13:51:22] <CIA-8> to the failed configure on a system without realtime available
[14:12:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 'lo
[14:12:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> (net connection working again)
[14:14:04] <jepler> hi Lerneaen_Hydra
[14:14:10] <jepler> what's new?
[14:18:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh not much
[14:18:57] <Lerneaen_Hydra> started at EE, that takes up most of my time now ;)
[14:20:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> anything new WRT EMC?
[14:21:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra> random question: does ssh automatically do checksums for transferred data?
[14:21:33] <Lerneaen_Hydra> the ssh protocoll that is
[14:24:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra pokes jepler
[14:28:01] <jepler> emc's always moving forward
[14:28:04] <jepler> I am not sure about ssh
[14:28:25] <jepler> I think the answer is "yes", because ssh has to be designed to detect an adversary who tried to insert incorrect data
[14:30:50] <jepler> found by searching for "ssh integrity": http://www.vandyke.com/solutions/ssh_overview/ssh_overview_integrity.html
[14:32:01] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ooh, nice
[14:32:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> anything new with image-to-gcode?
[14:32:55] <jepler> nope
[14:33:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> anything planned?
[14:33:32] <jepler> the most recent improvement to emc2 is a userspace-only simulator mode
[14:33:33] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/NEWS: mention simulator
[14:33:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ooh, nice
[14:33:49] <jepler> bbl
[14:33:49] <Lerneaen_Hydra> so no RT elements?
[14:33:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ok
[14:33:55] <jepler> nope, nor any kernel modules
[14:33:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> cool
[14:34:01] <Lerneaen_Hydra> like a test app?
[14:34:01] <jepler> you can run it as a user with no special access to the system
[14:34:06] <Lerneaen_Hydra> neat
[14:35:37] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: only to get acustomed to it
[14:37:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra> cool
[14:40:45] <alex_joni> * alex_joni runs home
[14:40:49] <alex_joni> later everyone
[14:42:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra> bye
[15:14:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> one neat thing that I've done now, I run VMware on my EMC box and have a virtual windows install, where I CAD/CAM, and then run that code on the same box in EMC. :D
[15:14:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> nice and fast to make new programs
[15:15:36] <jepler> yeah that would be nice, if you're stuck using windows software
[15:16:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yeah, unfortunately I am
[15:16:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> the performance penalty isn't all too bad, even though the CAD/CAM is RT3D
[15:16:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> (not real RT ;) )
[16:20:32] <anonimasu> hello
[16:21:31] <ValarQ> hiya
[16:21:46] <anonimasu> what's up?
[16:22:24] <ValarQ> coding a proxy
[16:22:37] <anonimasu> why?
[16:23:30] <ValarQ> i want to debug some traffic
[16:24:17] <anonimasu> ah ok
[16:24:25] <anonimasu> why not use ethereal?
[16:25:05] <ValarQ> partly because i want to hook up some own functions to it and partly because a want to learn to write network applications in Haskell
[16:25:27] <anonimasu> ah that's a better excuse ;)
[16:25:32] <anonimasu> not that you really need one :D
[16:25:36] <anonimasu> how's haskell?
[16:25:46] <ValarQ> great
[16:26:14] <ValarQ> maybe not for realtime applications, but otherwise it's great
[16:27:31] <anonimasu> :)
[16:28:30] <skunkworks> logger_aj: bookmark
[16:28:30] <skunkworks> See http://81.196.65.201/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-10-02#T16-28-30
[16:45:33] <A-L-P-H-A> jepler! thanks for the hammond link.
[16:50:06] <roland__> cradek, you around?
[17:26:37] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/ (configure configure.in): changed message at the end of configure to instruct in case of simulator
[17:36:00] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/user_comps/vcp/vcp_main.c: bit of silencing
[17:39:45] <skunkworks> why was it named cia-8?
[17:39:58] <alex_joni> skunkworks: lots of CIA-* bots around
[17:40:08] <alex_joni> check cia.navi.cx for more info
[17:40:35] <alex_joni> skunkworks: one CIA-* bot is active in about 16 channels
[17:41:21] <jepler> A-L-P-H-A: welcome
[17:42:43] <skunkworks> ok - so it is a software program. I figured it was something one of you guys wrote to make it display what was commited
[17:43:08] <alex_joni> skunkworks: not one of us..
[17:43:27] <alex_joni> it's a bot system many projects use
[17:44:01] <jepler> http://cia.navi.cx/
[17:47:19] <alex_joni> jepler: is sim/axis.ini supposed to run on sim ?
[17:48:10] <jepler> alex_joni: yes
[17:48:24] <alex_joni> jepler: nice.. how come?
[17:48:38] <alex_joni> I mean.. I tried sim/tkemc.ini and that doesn't
[17:49:09] <alex_joni> think it's the BASE_PERIOD or other ini setting?
[17:49:12] <jepler> the main difference in the ini files is that the base period is 1ms
[17:49:28] <alex_joni> beeing a sim I think they all can be higher..
[17:49:31] <alex_joni> right?
[17:51:50] <jepler> there's nothing running in the base-thread in sim
[17:52:05] <jepler> so I don't see why the base thread can't be the same as the servo thread
[17:52:12] <alex_joni> ok, I'll do that now
[17:52:17] <jepler> jmk said there might be some reason for one to be a multiple of the other, but I'm not sure why that would be
[17:52:22] <alex_joni> testing another change first
[17:52:22] <jepler> if it fixes tkemc then please check in the change
[17:54:44] <jepler> /usr/include/asm/bitops.h:327:2: warning: #warning This includefile is not available on all architectures.
[17:54:47] <jepler> /usr/include/asm/bitops.h:328:2: warning: #warning Using kernel headers in userspace: atomicity not guaranteed
[17:55:02] <jepler> hm, I get these warnings on an old redhat system when building puresim
[17:55:16] <fenn_gohan> so, after installing emc on this debian-laptop my parport no longer works (i'm not booted into the realtime kernel) what should i look at to try to fix it?
[17:55:35] <alex_joni> fenn_gohan: check the wiki :)
[17:55:50] <alex_joni> it's a file in /etc/modprobe.d I think
[17:56:19] <fenn_gohan> aha!
[17:56:21] <cradek> fenn_gohan: you're using the ubuntu kernel on a debian install?
[17:56:25] <fenn_gohan> i was looking in /etc/modprobe.conf
[17:58:13] <fenn_gohan> great that was easy
[17:58:23] <fenn_gohan> cradek, correct
[17:58:35] <alex_joni> fenn_gohan: eeek.. any issues/
[17:58:37] <alex_joni> ?
[17:58:37] <cradek> no dependency problems when you installed?
[17:58:49] <cradek> that's nice to know
[17:58:53] <fenn_gohan> i get "unexpected realtime delay" in a little dialog window every once in a while
[17:59:08] <cradek> that means your laptop is bogus for realtime
[17:59:13] <cradek> no big surprise - most laptops are
[17:59:22] <ValarQ> ValarQ is now known as VolvoQ
[18:00:01] <cradek> were you going to run hardware with it?
[18:00:23] <fenn_gohan> aside from compiling with the wrong version of gcc, no issues
[18:00:31] <fenn_gohan> i wasnt planning on running hardware with it
[18:01:09] <fenn_gohan> my main box is sorta hosed and i wasnt ready to tackle it yet
[18:02:24] <cradek> fenn_gohan: when you get that error, it puts details in dmesg, I'd be interested to see how bad its report is
[18:06:43] <jepler> alex_joni: over here, tkemc ran after changing the base period up to 1ms
[18:06:54] <fenn_gohan> In recent history there were 492143, 492750, 491430, 491828, and 492347 elapsed clocks between calls to the motion controller.
[18:06:54] <fenn_gohan> This time, there were 1895227 which is so anomolously large that it probably signifies a problem with your realtime configuration.
[18:06:54] <fenn_gohan> For the rest of this run of EMC, this message will be suppressed
[18:06:55] <jepler> without it, I got this on startup: emc/usr_intf/emcsh.cc 5152: can't connect to emc
[18:07:01] <alex_joni> jepler: same here
[18:07:32] <alex_joni> jepler: however I'm having a bit of trouble with halcmd and rtapi_print_msg right now.. so I'll check soon
[18:07:38] <alex_joni> check in even
[18:09:12] <jepler> I'll check in the inifile changes if that makes it easier on you
[18:09:22] <fenn_gohan> then the next time there is 492361, 492687, 491988, 492489, and 492155 and then 1895658
[18:10:27] <fenn_gohan> i was using it heavily each time it happened
[18:10:29] <jepler> if that's a ~500 Mhz machine, then the large delay is ~3ms
[18:10:38] <fenn_gohan> its clocked at 700 mhz
[18:10:52] <cradek> woo that's a lot of µs then
[18:11:34] <fenn_gohan> hmmm actually dmesg is reporting 497MHz
[18:12:05] <jepler> that sounds more likely. The numbers should be just about MHz * servo-period
[18:12:22] <jepler> units "497 MHz * 1ms"
[18:12:22] <jepler> Definition: 497000
[18:13:10] <fenn_gohan> 497.929 to be precise
[18:13:36] <alex_joni> fenn_gohan: if it's a laptop it's probably in some odd frequency scaling mode
[18:14:06] <jepler> alex_joni: I was pretty sure the distributed kernel has frequency scaling disabled
[18:14:15] <alex_joni> yeah me too
[18:15:03] <jepler> alex_joni: I'll check in the inifile changes if that makes it easier on you
[18:15:13] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/halcmd.c: complain when blocks gets loaded, use the generated 'comp's instead
[18:15:18] <alex_joni> jepler: not really..
[18:15:42] <alex_joni> was lookign why halcmd doesn't print _INFO messages
[18:15:51] <alex_joni> it seems it's been silenced on purpose :)
[18:16:46] <jepler> not all items from 'blocks' are implemented as 'comps' yet.
[18:17:09] <jepler> limit3 is the one I remember, but there may be others
[18:17:35] <alex_joni> then I guess we should implement them :)
[18:17:39] <alex_joni> I'll look into it
[18:17:46] <alex_joni> gives me a chance to write my first comp's
[18:17:49] <jepler> OK but you are just showing a message, not trying to automatically use comps
[18:17:58] <alex_joni> indeed
[18:18:08] <jepler> from the change message I thought maybe you were doing something else
[18:18:11] <alex_joni> just a warning
[18:18:23] <alex_joni> oh, probably poorly worded
[18:18:31] <jepler> np
[18:18:35] <alex_joni> "instruct to use the.."
[18:20:19] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/sim/ (keystick.ini mini.ini servo_sim.ini tripod.ini xemc.ini): use slower BASE_PERIOD's for sims for 2 reasons. 1=it doesn't hog the machines so much (nothing really in the base_thread); 2=the configs now work in simulator mode
[18:20:39] <jepler> servo_sim probably shouldn't be changed -- it actually does have stuff in base-thread
[18:21:07] <jepler> $ grep base-thread servo_sim.hal
[18:21:07] <jepler> addf encoder.update-counters base-thread
[18:21:07] <jepler> addf sim-encoder.make-pulses base-thread
[18:21:11] <alex_joni> limits?
[18:21:15] <alex_joni> oh..
[18:23:30] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/sim/servo_sim.ini: this one actually uses soemthing in the base_thread, reverting the previous change
[18:24:38] <alex_joni> jepler: I saw you removed the search for rt*-config
[18:26:14] <jepler> yep.
[18:26:28] <jepler> it still works on all the farm machines so I am pretty confident it won't affect many people
[18:26:34] <jepler> and they can specify the path by hand if necessary
[18:26:39] <alex_joni> I guess people with strange locations for those can always specify --with-rtai= ...
[18:26:43] <alex_joni> right
[18:26:50] <alex_joni> oops.. build error:
[18:27:02] <alex_joni> objects/emc/motion/motion.o: In function `init_comm_buffers':emc/motion/motion.c:908: undefined reference to `rtapi_get_time'
[18:27:06] <alex_joni> objects/emc/motion/motion.o: In function `main':emc/motion/motion.c:1101: undefined reference to `rtapi_get_time'
[18:27:09] <alex_joni> :emc/motion/motion.c:1107: undefined reference to `rtapi_get_time'
[18:27:40] <alex_joni> I ran: './configure --enable-run-in-place --enable-simulator' then 'make'
[18:28:04] <jepler> see if it's still an error after 'make clean'
[18:28:31] <jepler> I'm not entirely confident all the right stuff gets re-made, if you switch from rt to sim without claning
[18:28:34] <jepler> cleaning
[18:28:43] <jepler> I'd prefer like it to work, but maybe it doesn't.
[18:28:46] <alex_joni> I think that's the case.. depenging now
[18:29:23] <alex_joni> depending.. gosh what's wrong with me today.. can't type at all
[18:32:15] <jepler> AC_MSG_RESULT([tclConfig.sh not found, trying tcl.h and libs.
[18:32:15] <jepler> If it doesn't work try running ./configure --with-tclConfig=<path to tclConfig.sh>])
[18:32:30] <jepler> does this (--with-tclConfig) actually work? It doesn't seem to, and I don't see the text in configure.in that would make it work
[18:34:10] <alex_joni> I think it has at some point
[18:36:42] <alex_joni> probably you're right..
[18:39:50] <alex_joni> guess it stayed the same since http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/emc2/Attic/configure.in.diff?r1=1.1.2.24;r2=1.1.2.25
[18:47:57] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/ (configure.in configure): allow user to specify paths to tclConfig.sh and tkConfig.sh
[18:55:23] <alex_joni> jepler: does your cron script upload pdf's to linuxcnc.org aswell?
[18:55:40] <jepler> alex_joni: yes, it should be doing so
[18:55:58] <jepler> of course it only updates the "devel" version
[18:56:01] <alex_joni> then I should probably fix the links from the Documentation page
[18:56:26] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/INSTALL: updated INSTALL information
[19:00:04] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/TODO: tagged a few more TODO's which are already done
[19:04:06] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/TODO: removed done TODO's, left the ones still open
[19:09:29] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/AUTHORS: added Bas
[19:15:32] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/INSTALL: instruct of --disable-build-documentation
[19:17:18] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/ (configure.in configure): minor typo
[19:18:35] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/configure.in:
[19:18:35] <CIA-8> look for tkConfig first in the same directory as tclConfig
[19:18:35] <CIA-8> use a tclsh binary path based on information in tclConfig when searching for bwidget
[19:18:35] <CIA-8> do not advise the user to run 'make setuid' on a simulated system
[19:20:20] <anonimasu> hello
[19:20:26] <alex_joni> hi
[19:20:50] <VolvoQ> hiya
[19:21:40] <anonimasu> what's up
[19:21:41] <anonimasu> ?
[19:21:47] <anonimasu> * anonimasu has 85% of a spindle
[19:22:39] <jepler> I notice that milltask takes a lot of CPU when --enable-simulator
[19:22:54] <jepler> after awhile it drops back, I think it's when it's transferring segments (the "eager" patch I made a few weeks ago)
[19:23:23] <alex_joni> might be
[19:23:26] <cradek> sounds like a feature to me
[19:23:41] <jepler> it doesn't take so much CPU when running with realtime, though
[19:24:06] <alex_joni> jepler: that's probably becauwse RT stuff doesn't show up in top?
[19:24:16] <alex_joni> or is this all userspace?
[19:24:18] <jepler> milltask is always in userspace
[19:24:32] <jepler> but with --enable-simulator it spends quite awhile with CPU at 99% when starting a program
[19:24:32] <alex_joni> yeah, but it probably waits on the RT stuff
[19:25:56] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/configure: regenerate from latest configure.in
[19:26:01] <alex_joni> jepler: forgot something? :)
[19:26:15] <jepler> oops!
[19:26:19] <jepler> thank you
[19:26:34] <alex_joni> no sweat.. happened more than once in the past :)
[19:29:23] <anonimasu> brb
[19:40:56] <jepler> As those printed "%"s imply, it seems to be spending most of its time trying to get a good copy of the communication buffer
[19:41:49] <jepler> usrmotReadEmcmotStatus
[19:42:00] <jepler> I tried adding a sched_yield() there but it didn't help much
[19:43:08] <CIA-8> 03compile-farm 07BDI-TNG (2.4.18-rtai) * 10emc2head/: build FAILED ; see http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/emc2head_slot3_log.txt
[19:43:48] <alex_joni> oops
[19:43:57] <jepler> * jepler looks
[19:44:19] <jepler> checking for BWidget using /usr/bin/tclsh... ./configure: /usr/bin/tclsh8.3: No such file or directory
[19:44:25] <jepler> huh, I must not have written what I intended...
[19:44:56] <alex_joni> hecking for BWidget using /usr/bin/tclsh... ./configure: /usr/bin/tclsh8.3: No such file or directory
[19:44:59] <alex_joni> configure: error: not found
[19:45:33] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/ (configure.in configure): having found tclsh, use it
[19:48:46] <alex_joni> jepler: what's changequota?
[19:49:18] <jepler> huh?
[19:49:38] <jepler> changequote?
[19:49:47] <alex_joni> yeah that
[19:49:58] <jepler> configure.in:1157:if changequote(<,>) (unset DISPLAY; echo "catch { package require bwidget }; exit [expr [lsearch [package names] BWidget] == -1]" | $TCLSH) changequote([,]); then
[19:50:11] <alex_joni> I honestly read changequota about 4 or 5 times :D
[19:50:49] <jepler> normally, [] are special characters (quotes) to autoconf, but I need to include them in the tcl script. so I change the quote characters to <>, run the TCL, and change them back.
[19:51:05] <alex_joni> ahh..
[19:51:11] <alex_joni> you can do that with [[ ]] too
[19:51:15] <jepler> There is no way in `m4' to quote a string containing an unmatched
[19:51:15] <jepler> left quote, except using `changequote' to change the current quotes.
[19:51:33] <jepler> that would be fine too, I didn't know it
[19:51:50] <alex_joni> at least I think I remember it that way :)
[19:52:03] <jepler> I read the above in 'info m4' and thought I needed to use changequote
[19:54:17] <jepler> +if (unset DISPLAY; echo ["catch { package require bwidget }; exit [expr [lsearch [package names] BWidget] == -1]"] | $TCLSH); then
[19:54:21] <jepler> this seems to work instead
[19:54:33] <A-L-P-H-A> * A-L-P-H-A gives jepler a virtual cookie for helping earlier. :D
[19:54:37] <alex_joni> shouldn't really matter, it's probably easier to read like this
[19:54:44] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... lets switch the cookie for a beer.
[19:54:47] <jepler> A-L-P-H-A: you got your toroid figured out?
[19:54:53] <alex_joni> * alex_joni adds some virtual soy milk to that
[19:55:01] <jepler> yuck -- not a soy milk fan
[19:55:02] <A-L-P-H-A> jepler, yeah... at least in my head... I haven't bought anything yet... just looking around atm.
[19:55:04] <jepler> I'd rather drink cow pus
[19:55:11] <alex_joni> pus?
[19:55:11] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, I love soy milk.'
[19:55:21] <A-L-P-H-A> sweetened soy milk.
[19:55:23] <alex_joni> I don't
[19:55:49] <alex_joni> I like the regular, fresh if possible :)
[19:56:02] <alex_joni> you can still get it that way over here ..
[19:56:07] <alex_joni> straight from the cow :)
[19:57:14] <jepler> you can get "raw" milk here if you know the right person
[19:57:59] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/ (configure configure.in):
[19:57:59] <CIA-8> don't check for kernel headers when using simulator
[19:57:59] <CIA-8> get rid of unneeded use of changequote
[19:59:15] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders how many version configure has been through :D
[19:59:41] <alex_joni> probably over 200
[20:00:02] <jepler> Repository revision:1.96/cvs/emc2/src/configure.in,v
[20:00:04] <jepler> nope!
[20:00:41] <jepler> 1.157 on Makefile
[20:00:49] <jepler> * jepler gets the revision graph just for fun
[20:01:53] <alex_joni> jepler: but that's only for src/configure
[20:02:04] <alex_joni> it was in ./configure and ./configure.in before that
[20:02:06] <alex_joni> now in attic
[20:02:11] <alex_joni> I did most the work there
[20:02:30] <jepler> I see
[20:02:41] <alex_joni> http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/emc2/Attic/configure.in?graph=1
[20:02:47] <alex_joni> only 70 revisions there though
[20:03:28] <CIA-8> 03compile-farm 07BDI-TNG (2.4.18-rtai) * 10emc2head/: build PASSED
[20:03:36] <jepler> yay
[20:03:40] <alex_joni> http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/emc2/Attic/configure?graph=1 <- 96 revisions
[20:04:12] <jepler> I don't understand why configure would have many more revisions than configure.in.
[20:04:18] <alex_joni> and http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/emc2/src/configure?graph=1 <- 121 revisions
[20:04:25] <alex_joni> jepler: initially there was no configure.in
[20:04:35] <alex_joni> configure was a shell script written by hand
[20:05:04] <alex_joni> 217 revisions for configure ;D
[20:06:14] <alex_joni> but Makefile tops that :) (193 revisions only in src/Makefile)
[20:07:29] <jepler> but you should also add in all the revisions of Submakefiles
[20:08:30] <alex_joni> yeah.. that's why I said "only in src/Makefile"
[20:08:45] <alex_joni> and there was a Makefile in the top dir .. way back :)
[20:08:57] <alex_joni> and lots of Makefiles all over the code :)
[20:11:21] <alex_joni> hi ray
[20:11:45] <roland-mazak> Hi alex
[20:11:48] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders if he got it right :)
[20:11:52] <roland-mazak> It's alive
[20:12:16] <alex_joni> yay... the mazak?
[20:12:22] <roland-mazak> Didn't work with 2.0.3 but from head is great.
[20:12:28] <cradek> hi ray
[20:12:30] <roland-mazak> Yes!!!
[20:12:34] <cradek> yay!
[20:12:36] <roland-mazak> Hi chris
[20:12:39] <alex_joni> nice one :)
[20:12:55] <cradek> all your work during fest was on head wasn't it?
[20:12:57] <alex_joni> roland-mazak: now you can add a panel :) (using halui)
[20:13:06] <roland-mazak> Don't know yet how much is working but the usual gcodes seem to work.
[20:13:21] <roland-mazak> Yep. I've got some wires already in place.
[20:13:22] <cradek> yeah I'm anxious to see a nice panel working on it
[20:13:49] <cradek> cool
[20:14:12] <roland-mazak> you bet.
[20:14:18] <roland-mazak> That will be a while yet.
[20:14:28] <roland-mazak> Took a day to get networking going.
[20:14:44] <roland-mazak> and half a day to find a bad matrox display card.
[20:15:04] <jepler> bad? We paid $5 for that card!
[20:15:09] <jepler> or was it $10?
[20:15:48] <roland-mazak> Darn.
[20:16:04] <roland-mazak> I found an S3 in an old box here
[20:16:24] <cradek> sounds like that machine had some seriuos bit-rot since may
[20:16:25] <roland-mazak> looks a bit fuzzy but it's there.
[20:16:26] <skunkworks> The replacement video card went bad in the mazak - Odd
[20:16:48] <roland-mazak> smeared stuff all over the place.
[20:17:25] <roland-mazak> tool select works to turn the carousel
[20:17:43] <cradek> nice
[20:17:47] <roland-mazak> but tool load/unload doesn't take holders out of the pockets or put them back.
[20:17:58] <cradek> did you try TOOL_CHANGE_POSITION to get it to go up to Z=0?
[20:18:07] <cradek> that's fixed since May
[20:18:28] <roland-mazak> No I didn't.
[20:18:53] <jepler> I remember it swapping tools .. did we have to manually command that Z=0 motion?
[20:18:54] <roland-mazak> just now getting a look at the halvcp
[20:19:24] <roland-mazak> My memory of what it did is a bit fuzzy.
[20:19:45] <alex_joni> halvcp emulates a hardware panel
[20:19:58] <alex_joni> actually any HAL pins with buttons and leds
[20:20:07] <roland-mazak> I'm seeing the tool pocket number. WOW.
[20:21:02] <roland-mazak> And it rolls over after 24.
[20:21:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 'night
[20:21:58] <roland-mazak> * roland-mazak is a kid with a new toy.
[20:21:59] <cradek> roland-mazak: is it still set up to commit your config changes?
[20:22:17] <roland-mazak> To bad I can't stay a couple more days.
[20:22:25] <roland-mazak> No.
[20:22:41] <roland-mazak> I need a new cvs
[20:23:18] <cradek> did you make a new login?
[20:24:00] <roland-mazak> The old was trashed so I loaded emc-live.
[20:24:18] <roland-mazak> Updated and added compile ability
[20:24:21] <cradek> whoah
[20:24:28] <roland-mazak> I need to run ssh-keygen
[20:24:30] <cradek> glad we had the config in cvs then
[20:24:34] <VolvoQ> VolvoQ is now known as ValueQ
[20:24:36] <cradek> ok
[20:24:37] <roland-mazak> You bet.
[20:25:04] <roland-mazak> what args do I need with ssh-keygen?
[20:25:15] <alex_joni> ssh-keygen -t rsa
[20:25:18] <alex_joni> I think
[20:25:21] <roland-mazak> thanks
[20:26:30] <A-L-P-H-A> seriously... would you drink milk from another animal? If you think about it... it's MILK for another animal...
[20:27:01] <fenn> yep its disgusting
[20:27:03] <roland-mazak> cradek, you need the key fingerprint or the public file
[20:27:11] <cradek> the .pub
[20:27:13] <alex_joni> the public
[20:27:19] <roland-mazak> okay.
[20:27:19] <A-L-P-H-A> it's gross if you really think about it. Nutrient Excretion from the breast of another species of mammal. As adult humans, there's no need. You have other means to get your calcium.
[20:27:19] <fenn> A-L-P-H-A: and sometimes they let it rot for a while before drinking it
[20:27:31] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn, rot? you mean go mouldy.
[20:27:46] <fenn> yes, apparently it some sort of delicacy
[20:28:05] <A-L-P-H-A> I have no problems with breast feed infants... as that's natural.
[20:28:07] <alex_joni> you mean sour?
[20:28:40] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm just picking on milk... I like it, but I'm lactose intolerant... I can handle a glass, but more than that, I start having the farts.
[20:29:05] <fenn> milk actually tastes really weird if you dont drink it for a couple years
[20:29:10] <A-L-P-H-A> cheese, yogurt, in cooked goods, no problem.
[20:29:29] <A-L-P-H-A> I can't drink 2%... it's too rich for me...
[20:29:38] <A-L-P-H-A> haven't had 2% in years...
[20:29:47] <A-L-P-H-A> usually drink skim... if I even do.
[20:29:54] <alex_joni> I usually drink 6% or richer :)
[20:30:08] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, no you don't. You just want to join in the conversation.
[20:30:11] <A-L-P-H-A> :P :) hehe
[20:30:15] <alex_joni> :P
[20:30:26] <alex_joni> at least I'm not lactose intolerant :D
[20:30:44] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm Asian... most Asians are...
[20:30:55] <alex_joni> oh, really?
[20:30:58] <alex_joni> didn't know that
[20:31:01] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah...
[20:31:18] <cradek> roland-mazak: you can just send it in irc if that's easiest
[20:31:54] <A-L-P-H-A> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#Biology
[20:32:09] <A-L-P-H-A> www.pastebin.ca <-- sharing txt files to the masses.
[20:32:16] <A-L-P-H-A> txt files = text
[20:33:35] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: didn't know you were asian :)
[20:33:56] <A-L-P-H-A> uh... dude... I keep posting my web site... www.lloydleung.com
[20:33:57] <roland-mazak> I'll have to register this name.
[20:34:07] <A-L-P-H-A> how's that not sound Asian? Well, Lloyd doesn't... but Leung does.
[20:34:21] <cradek> roland-mazak: simplest if you just do your checkout as [email protected]
[20:34:40] <A-L-P-H-A> quick everyone spam [email protected] :D
[20:34:46] <roland-mazak> I don't have my key here either.
[20:35:00] <cradek> I can add another key to your rayh
[20:35:06] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: that's not an email address
[20:35:07] <cradek> that's what we did in may
[20:35:41] <roland-mazak> ah. So I could use roland but add that key to rayh?
[20:35:48] <cradek> yes
[20:35:54] <roland-mazak> okay
[20:36:02] <cradek> you just have to use rayh@ when you do the cvs checkout
[20:36:08] <roland-mazak> now I forgot how to register a nick
[20:36:27] <cradek> do you have working web browser? you could use www.pastben.ca
[20:36:30] <cradek> www.pastebin.ca
[20:36:33] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/components/ (freqgen.c stepgen.c): silence two warnings (hope I got them right:)
[20:36:41] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, wow... Chinese... 93% Intolerant... whacked.
[20:36:41] <alex_joni> try /msg NickServ HELP
[20:36:46] <roland-mazak> yes browser is fine now
[20:37:02] <cradek> just use that then, much simpler
[20:37:16] <alex_joni> sorry guys.. falling asleep :)
[20:37:19] <alex_joni> good night all
[20:37:38] <roland-mazak> see you alex. Thanks for all the work on this config.
[20:37:50] <A-L-P-H-A> Native American's don't drink that unholy stuff... only the mutuants of Europe drink mammory secretions from a bovine... weird.
[20:38:26] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, dream about sucking on an utter of a bovine... :)
[20:38:28] <fenn> and africans
[20:38:50] <fenn> well, bloody milk
[20:38:52] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: why dream about that?
[20:38:53] <A-L-P-H-A> Thais have cream in their cooking, weird... must have been the french influence.
[20:39:02] <fenn> no it's a tribal thing
[20:39:06] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, I really meant a cow, not your GF.
[20:39:14] <alex_joni> yeah, I know
[20:39:34] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, the first was a joke, the second was a backhanded insult. :)
[20:39:53] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: again, I know
[20:40:05] <alex_joni> but I'm too lazy to kick your butt
[20:40:09] <fenn> * fenn leaves before the brawlin starts
[20:40:11] <alex_joni> s/lazy/tired/
[20:40:14] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm just being stupid... but I do kind of find the statistics of lactose intolerance interesting.
[20:40:25] <A-L-P-H-A> quick someone throw a chair!
[20:40:32] <A-L-P-H-A> doesn't even have to hit someone...
[20:40:40] <A-L-P-H-A> a brawl will break out.
[20:40:58] <A-L-P-H-A> hahaha... anyone seen "Boondocks"?
[20:41:45] <A-L-P-H-A> about two Urban kids 8 and 10, growing up in white suburbia... and it's a cartoon, with lots of swearing, and the word "nigger". They had Samuel L Jackson guest voicing it.
[20:41:52] <A-L-P-H-A> Urban black kids
[20:42:13] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0373732/
[20:58:03] <jepler> bbl
[20:59:28] <anonimasu> 09hm
[21:04:16] <skunkworks> fenn: was that you in here earlier?
[21:12:34] <A-L-P-H-A> skunkworks, it was.
[21:24:01] <Daniel_Br> Hello guys!
[21:24:14] <ValueQ> hello mr Br
[21:24:18] <A-L-P-H-A> !syug olleH
[21:25:43] <Daniel_Br> this is my first time here
[21:25:57] <A-L-P-H-A> !emoclew
[21:26:11] <Daniel_Br> and my English is not so good
[21:26:22] <cradek> hi daniel
[21:26:24] <A-L-P-H-A> So I guess typing backwards isn't a good idea then. :)
[21:26:38] <cradek> looks like your english is working well enough
[21:26:38] <Daniel_Br> hi Chris
[21:27:07] <A-L-P-H-A> If it's your first time here, how'd you know his name was Chris? Are you stalking him?... Lucky Chris... he's got a stalker.
[21:27:53] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: you're just jealous
[21:28:00] <Daniel_Br> I know chris and jeff by email
[21:28:29] <cradek> yes daniel translated AXIS into portugese
[21:28:51] <A-L-P-H-A> Oh... Brazil is Portugese, not spanish?
[21:28:51] <cradek> thanks again for that help
[21:29:18] <Daniel_Br> this is ok
[21:29:39] <A-L-P-H-A> How many different phrases are there in AXIS?
[21:30:17] <A-L-P-H-A> OMG... ROLFMAO... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGAHJssIRGU
[21:30:18] <A-L-P-H-A> LOL
[21:30:26] <A-L-P-H-A> hahahhahahhahahahhahahahhaha
[21:30:46] <Daniel_Br> alpha i think is 200
[21:31:16] <Daniel_Br> i dont remember exactly
[21:31:33] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... maybe I'll work on a French one?
[21:32:11] <cradek> I don't think we have french yet
[21:32:13] <A-L-P-H-A> Does AXIS have a language file? So a file with english reference phrase, and context description?
[21:32:16] <cradek> if so it's not complete
[21:33:04] <A-L-P-H-A> It'd be me spending time going back and forth with my French / English dictionary, and remember my grammer...
[21:33:41] <cradek> ~ 239 strings
[21:33:58] <cradek> and there is not a french translation
[21:35:00] <Daniel_Br> I have some question about halui
[21:35:41] <A-L-P-H-A> gotta go... getting alu rivets and junk...
[21:35:42] <A-L-P-H-A> :D
[21:36:48] <Daniel_Br> it is possible add some 2 second delay after I press some button and EMC2 use this i/o signal?
[21:37:48] <cradek> classicladder does have delays
[21:37:58] <cradek> what do you want to happen during the delay?
[21:38:32] <cradek> I think the demo_step_cl sample config uses classicladder's delays to turn lube on and off
[21:38:56] <Daniel_Br> I need add some automatic homing when my gcode end
[21:42:29] <Daniel_Br> If I press some home button before the gcode end Axis splash some error window
[21:42:51] <cradek> yes you definitely can't home while a program is running
[21:43:47] <Daniel_Br> i can do it with a external hardware but if is possible do without this is better
[21:45:47] <cradek> I don't think I understand what you want to do
[21:46:19] <cradek> home searches for switches and zeroes the axes, you should not have to do this after a program run
[21:48:06] <Daniel_Br> I think this is important for avoid cumulative error in a stepper machine
[21:48:43] <cradek> if you have any error after a program run, it means your machine is misconfigured or defective
[21:49:26] <cradek> there are no cumulative small errors
[21:49:34] <Daniel_Br> Ok I dont have visible errors
[21:50:00] <cradek> have you measured some kind of cumulative error?
[21:50:07] <Daniel_Br> If some step is lost for any reason...
[21:50:49] <cradek> that doesn't really happen - if a motor stalls (from being overdriven, or crashing the tool) the axis will be WAY off, not one step
[21:51:50] <Daniel_Br> In cnczone several people have differen idea about this
[21:51:52] <cradek> if you are losing steps it means there is a problem that needs to be fixed, not hidden by homing all the time
[21:52:17] <cradek> I have to go, I'll maybe be back in a few hours
[21:53:38] <Daniel_Br> ok
[22:15:19] <skunkworks> got a tag in the mail saying my mosfets are in. Cool.
[22:15:54] <skunkworks> still need to make a circuit board... time to power up eagle
[23:02:33] <anonimasu> hm
[23:04:46] <skunkworks> hm?
[23:05:30] <anonimasu> I think i might have a spindle tomorrow
[23:05:35] <skunkworks> nice
[23:06:13] <anonimasu> yeah :)
[23:06:23] <K`zan> Anyone here running a Harbor Freight Micro-Mill?
[23:07:40] <skunkworks> no
[23:07:55] <skunkworks> I mean - I am not.
[23:08:52] <skunkworks> anonimasu: what did you end up getting for a spindle?
[23:09:11] <anonimasu> skunkworks: something homebrewn
[23:09:12] <anonimasu> :)
[23:09:24] <skunkworks> that works. :)
[23:11:51] <anonimasu> it should be a pretty nice spindle..
[23:12:04] <anonimasu> good bearings and stuff: )
[23:12:05] <anonimasu> :)
[23:13:54] <anonimasu> I might be able to try it tomorrow