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[00:26:41] <alex_joni> good night all
[00:31:04] <K`zan> Night alex_joni
[00:54:38] <Jymmmm> The iTV is coming along nicely. Functionally working via remote control - still need to reprogram the remote a bit and work on the menuing/navigation
[01:15:41] <maddash> my tab key spoils me.
[01:33:46] <Jymmmm> maddash Now see if you can trade in the tab key for a wife/girlfriend/slave/maid =)
[01:34:39] <maddash> ANOTHER mistress on the side? hmmm, could be more trouble than it's worth...
[01:37:44] <Jymmmm> another?! SHARE DAMNIT SHARE! (but no sloppy seconds)
[01:38:53] <tomp> good work guys, thanks for 2.1 :)
[01:40:15] <robin_sz> maddash, I know exactly what you mean .... more than 3 is hard work, right?
[01:41:04] <maddash> whoa. emc 2.1 is out?
[01:41:13] <Jymmmm> * Jymmmm lol @ robin_sz
[01:41:56] <Jymmmm> My iTV box is coming along nicely. 100% functional, just working on the esthetics now.
[01:42:21] <robin_sz> Jymmmm, remind me to tell you about my weld shop foremen someday ;)
[01:42:28] <Jymmmm> k
[01:42:40] <Jymmmm> robin_sz How many did he have?
[01:42:58] <Jymmmm> and what stupidness did he do to get caught?
[01:43:15] <robin_sz> mmm .. he has "holidays" in Thailand .. from which he returns looking like he needs a long rest ;)
[01:43:30] <Jymmmm> robin_sz: Ah, Thailand, say no more.
[01:43:51] <Jymmmm> $400USD gets you a month
[01:44:06] <Jymmmm> omaybe $4000 USD, but still cheap
[01:44:25] <robin_sz> istr the last "holiday" involved 2 threesomes and 3 all-nighters in a week
[01:44:48] <Jymmmm> lol
[01:44:59] <Jymmmm> that's all?
[01:45:00] <robin_sz> poor chap could hardly walk :)
[01:45:22] <Jymmmm> not like anyone is gonna feel sorry for him though =)
[01:45:31] <robin_sz> quite
[01:46:15] <Jymmmm> A friend goes to Thailand for about 6 weeks at a time...
[01:46:26] <robin_sz> and he survives?
[01:47:03] <Jymmmm> Yeah, He does not only Thailand, but various Pacific rim locales too.
[01:47:28] <robin_sz> "pacific rim" ... sounds fun
[01:47:37] <Jymmmm> Once it was Thailand, NZ, AU. Next time was Thai, Cambodia, Japan, etc
[01:47:43] <robin_sz> hmm .. we seem to have straye doff topic .. again ;)
[01:47:59] <Jymmmm> But always makes a stop in Thailand =)
[01:48:10] <tomp> http://www.retire-on-550-month.com/
[01:48:32] <tomp> thailand, they show you what 550 covers
[02:10:01] <maddash> what's with thailand?
[02:10:34] <cradek> americans can go lots of places to exploit people with their copious money
[02:11:06] <maddash> isn't that try for anyone who has copulating money?
[02:11:25] <maddash> s\copulating\copious\
[02:12:05] <cradek> sure, I just assumed the guy is an american
[02:18:59] <jmkasunich> cradek: I think you assumed wrong
[02:19:14] <jmkasunich> robin_sz's weld shop formeman is probably from the UK
[02:19:28] <jmkasunich> foreman even
[02:19:31] <cradek> ah *shrug*
[03:04:09] <fjungclaus_> fjungclaus_ is now known as fjungclaus
[03:18:08] <Twingy> new gcam is available
[03:28:02] <maddash> ugh, I have to build axis as well?
[03:28:38] <jmkasunich> maddash: working from source? no, you don't _have_ to build it
[03:28:50] <jmkasunich> I think if you lack any of its dependencies it won't build
[03:29:10] <maddash> if I lack the deps, won't ./configure just pout and stop?
[03:29:28] <jmkasunich> if you lack deps for core parts of emc, yes
[03:29:41] <jmkasunich> if you lack deps for the documentation, and I think for axis, it just doesn't build those parts
[03:29:58] <jmkasunich> there will be a message like "axis will not be built" somewhere in the configure output
[03:30:15] <jepler> none of the developers routinely try to build without the requirements for axis, so that part of the configure / make / make install may have bugs.
[03:30:25] <jepler> patches happily accepted
[03:31:05] <maddash> credit happily given?
[03:31:09] <maddash> ;P
[03:35:20] <jepler> Twingy: the new gcam compiled on my dapper machine, but the g-code I got from hub.gcam contains 'nan's starting at line 1101: hub.cnc:1101:G00 Xnan Ynan (move to start)
[03:35:35] <jepler> maddash: uh sure if that helps you be motivated
[03:36:37] <maddash> hmm, aptitude moo doesn't yield anything promising
[03:37:24] <jepler> Twingy: after 'make', I did './gcam', File > Load Project, selected hub.gcam, did File > Export G-Code, selected "emc".
[03:37:39] <jepler> Twingy: repeated those steps, got NaNs again
[03:38:02] <jepler> Twingy: I notice that there are only 5 holes on my screen, not 6 as I see on the wiki
[03:39:03] <jepler> Twingy: the central hole and 4 of the outside holes do appear in the AXIS preview before it runs in to the lines with the nans
[03:42:05] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/ (9 files): (log message trimmed)
[03:42:06] <CIA-8> refactor halcmd into four major parts:
[03:42:06] <CIA-8> * halcmd main program and .hal file parser (halcmd_main.c)
[03:42:06] <CIA-8> * command dispatch (halcmd.c)
[03:42:06] <CIA-8> * command implementation (halcmd_commands.c)
[03:42:07] <CIA-8> * halcmd interactive-mode completion (halcmd_completion.c)
[03:42:09] <CIA-8> add halsh.c, which produces a Tcl loadable library 'hal.so' which can
[03:46:43] <Twingy> hi
[03:47:05] <Twingy> jepler, k, thanks for the info
[03:47:09] <cradek> hi twingy
[03:47:14] <Twingy> will take a look at it now
[03:47:14] <cradek> I get a similar result:
http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/missing-hole.png
[03:47:31] <Twingy> nice to have people actually testing it
[03:47:44] <jepler> I'm pleased you made it build on dapper without tweaking
[03:48:00] <Twingy> do the comments look ok?
[03:48:00] <jepler> thanks
[03:48:06] <cradek> definitely
[03:48:09] <Twingy> k
[03:48:20] <cradek> yes comments are fine
[03:48:23] <cradek> (Material Dimensions: X=2.500 Y=2.500 Z=0.500)
[03:48:55] <Twingy> k, looking into NaN's
[03:49:14] <jepler> I also get some NaNs on motor_mount, this time on line 117
[03:49:28] <Twingy> k, should be a one line fix
[03:49:52] <Twingy> I rewrotes a couple of math routines
[03:50:26] <Twingy> hrmph
[03:50:28] <Twingy> I don't get NaN's
[03:50:53] <Twingy> could you post the cnc file
[03:51:01] <Twingy> must be platform specific
[03:51:24] <jepler> http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/hub.cnc http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/Motor_Mount.cnc
[03:51:36] <jepler> Twingy: in a hole group, one of the holes is missing
[03:51:44] <jepler> in motor-mount, I get 3 holes
[03:51:46] <jepler> and a gap
[03:51:54] <jepler> if I change it to 6 holes I get 5 and a gap
[03:52:00] <Twingy> jepler, interesting, k
[03:53:53] <Twingy> afk for an hour while I work on this
[03:57:00] <jepler> if I choose "MATRIX" one of the holes is missing as well
[03:57:10] <jepler> could it be the next-to-last hole?
[03:58:14] <jepler> goodnight Twingy
[03:58:15] <jepler> and everyone else
[03:58:24] <jmkasunich> goodnight jeff
[03:58:31] <jmkasunich> thanks for all the work on 2.1
[04:00:41] <tomp> thanks jeff , anyone: how did you fulfill gcam dep OpenGL 1.1 ? what package please?
[04:01:34] <cradek> maybe libgtkglext1-dev
[04:01:56] <tomp> thanks, will try
[04:05:57] <maddash> what's gcam?
[04:06:14] <maddash> not gcam.org , right?
[04:09:32] <tomp> cradek: twingy: runs now, will try the samples, thanks
[04:13:06] <maddash> jepler: I'm not getting anything on gcam using the motor mount
[04:13:48] <maddash> "FGLTexMgr: open of shared memory obj failed (Permission denied)"
[04:14:37] <maddash> and when I try to insert an arc, I get a segmentation fault. nice.
[04:22:22] <tomp> twingy: the 1st xmpl runs, but has several lines "; pocketing" which the parser doesnt care for. by commenting those, it's running now
[04:22:40] <tomp> the xmpl is 'continuity'
[04:24:50] <tomp> i like the tree format for the elements
[04:27:00] <jmkasunich> wow, its been 20 years since the Challanger crash
[04:27:12] <jmkasunich> Challenger
[04:27:18] <SWPadnos> a little over, actually
[04:27:29] <jmkasunich> 20 yrs yesterday
[04:27:29] <cradek> I was in grade school - remember it distinctly
[04:27:49] <jmkasunich> I was at work
[04:28:03] <SWPadnos> had to be more, since I was in high school at the time (and I graduated 20.5 years ago)
[04:28:21] <jmkasunich> The Space Shuttle Challenger disaster occurred at 11:39 a.m. EST (16:38 GMT) on January 28, 1986
[04:28:27] <jmkasunich> wikipedia
[04:28:33] <SWPadnos> it's 2007, so that's 21 yeers ;)
[04:28:39] <jmkasunich> oops
[04:28:41] <SWPadnos> years, too :)
[04:29:54] <cradek> must have been 6th grade... guess I'm the young one here
[04:30:19] <SWPadnos> I guess so
[04:30:33] <jmkasunich> unless fenn is around
[04:30:40] <SWPadnos> heh
[04:30:42] <jmkasunich> he probably doesn't remember it
[04:30:47] <SWPadnos> or A-L-P-H-A
[04:32:12] <SWPadnos> they had an interesting show about the investigation at the National Geographic museum-like thing in DC
[04:33:05] <ejholmgren> who on here runs debian
[04:33:18] <SWPadnos> Ubuntu is debian-absed, so I do :)
[04:33:21] <SWPadnos> based
[04:33:33] <ejholmgren> I was thinking "pure" debian
[04:33:53] <ejholmgren> just thinking about what do switch my new system over to
[04:34:06] <ejholmgren> I like running slackware on my servers ...
[04:34:30] <ejholmgren> but I think the ease of use argument from earlier will lead me to run something else on my desktop
[04:36:26] <SWPadnos> depending on the hardware you have (and want to work), you'll probably be best off with Ubuntu or Mepis
[04:36:28] <ejholmgren> looking in the debian iso dir ... I noticed 14+ full CD's worth of install iso's O_o
[04:36:44] <SWPadnos> there are a lot of programs out there
[04:37:22] <ejholmgren> althlon xp 2500, 512m ram, ati 9600XT, etc
[04:37:42] <ejholmgren> unbuntu seemed like such a hog on my lower end systems
[04:37:53] <ejholmgren> but it was probably just kde
[04:38:00] <ejholmgren> or gnome
[04:38:08] <SWPadnos> other than "low RAM", that's a pretty respectable system, and should work fin
[04:38:08] <SWPadnos> e
[04:38:33] <ejholmgren> I'm lazy, should probably bring it up to a gig
[04:38:34] <SWPadnos> (I only say low RAM because a lot of people just throw in a gig or more, because they can ...)
[04:40:36] <ejholmgren> does the newest ubuntu release have compiz/beryl or whatever?
[04:41:24] <ejholmgren> I need my rollercoaster fix after getting hooked on constantly using expose in osx
[04:42:19] <fenn> space shuttle was stupid
[04:42:56] <fenn> they should have used the lockheed clipper design
[04:43:08] <jmkasunich> "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." Richard Feynman
[04:43:20] <fenn> which is also stupid because it looks like an airplane, but that's what they wanted
[04:43:35] <fenn> but at least it was balanced correctly
[04:44:50] <jmkasunich> fenn: the problems with the shuttle were not technical, they were managerial
[04:45:23] <fenn> a large part of the reason people were overworked was because it was an airplane attached to a rocket
[04:45:49] <jmkasunich> what was the alternative?
[04:46:09] <SWPadnos> eyah - the conversations were something like this: Engineer: "It'll break if you use it at this temperature" / Management: "well, it'll look bad if we don't fly so tough noogies"
[04:46:14] <fenn> a reusable multi-stage booster, like what every other country uses these days
[04:46:26] <SWPadnos> that's the SRB - next?
[04:48:09] <SWPadnos> actually, the reason there were any O-rings in the SRB at all is because the lowest bidder was land-locked. The original design had a single tube for the entire booster, but that couldn't be shipped by rail
[04:48:45] <SWPadnos> it could have been shipped by barge though, had a coastal production house gotten the contract
[04:49:18] <fenn> yeah ocean based launch seems more practical anyway
[04:49:37] <SWPadnos> not ocean launch, but carting the tubes to Kennedy by sea
[04:49:52] <SWPadnos> instead, they had to split them up into sections, and put seals in there
[04:50:02] <jmkasunich> ocean launch is not as simple as you think
[04:50:09] <Twingy> ok, fixed both bugs
[04:50:16] <Twingy> will upload new version shortly
[04:50:19] <SWPadnos> cool
[04:50:26] <maddash> emc works fine with debian
[04:50:40] <fenn> shh dont let anyone hear you say that
[04:50:53] <jmkasunich> why not?
[04:51:06] <jmkasunich> I'm glad to hear that maddash
[04:51:09] <fenn> because then they'll make you the debian release manager
[04:51:18] <maddash> cool. do I get paid?
[04:51:36] <jmkasunich> same as the rest of us
[04:51:57] <jmkasunich> thank you's and a feeling of satisfaction
[04:52:06] <maddash> does that mean 1happymeal/hr?
[04:52:30] <maddash> ;P sure I'll happily be the debian pariah around here
[04:52:38] <SWPadnos> only if you can afford them :)
[04:52:45] <maddash> 2.1 works fine the way it is, anyway
[04:53:45] <maddash> brb gotta switch over to windows
[04:54:34] <maddash> sudo shutdown -r 30
[04:55:39] <fenn> swsusp is neat because it's basically instant booting, but unfortunately it requires some kind of power management stuff
[05:00:26] <K`zan> http://toothtunes.com/ -sheesh....
[05:04:55] <ejholmgren> oooooooh!
[05:05:53] <tomp> Twingy: the rest of Continuity ran ok
[05:07:02] <Twingy> ok
[05:07:09] <Twingy> download again
[05:07:20] <Twingy> both windows and source files updated on website
[05:08:47] <K`zan> I want one that plays mp3s and Oggs :)
[05:09:42] <Twingy> I am headed to bed shortly, so if anyone can test I'd appreciate it
[05:11:35] <fenn> * fenn tests
[05:12:49] <tomp> same version # as before? gcam-2007.01.28.tar.gz ?
[05:13:25] <Twingy> yes
[05:13:31] <Twingy> different md5
[05:13:52] <tomp> thanks
[05:15:40] <fenn> it runs... what are we testing for?
[05:15:56] <Twingy> NaN on hub
[05:16:05] <fenn> i see six holes
[05:16:05] <Twingy> and that all 6 bolt holes show up
[05:16:07] <Twingy> k
[05:16:19] <Twingy> good
[05:16:27] <Twingy> how about the g-code
[05:16:30] <Twingy> does it parse?
[05:17:30] <fenn> looks good in the axis preview
[05:20:07] <Twingy> k
[05:20:32] <Twingy> btw, the shading on the lines and arcs indicate direction
[05:20:36] <Twingy> dark to light
[05:21:06] <fenn> nice fade effect on the grid :)
[05:22:21] <Twingy> wasn't sure if people would like that
[05:22:50] <jmkasunich> goodnight folks
[05:22:53] <tomp> Twingy: hub now has 6 holes in Axis preview
[05:22:59] <Twingy> nice
[05:23:05] <tomp> g'nite jmkasunich
[05:23:33] <tomp> yes, it is very nice :)
[05:24:53] <fenn> if you did a spiral plunge instead of plunge, circle, plunge, circle, it'd be easier on the tool and go faster
[05:25:48] <Twingy> not sure I agree with go faster
[05:25:59] <Twingy> especially for arcs that accelerate and deccelerate
[05:27:10] <cradek> it's true plunging is hard for end mills - any diagonal/helical entry is better than a plunge
[05:27:15] <tomp> Twingy: no problems loading continuity.cnc now ( the lines beginning ; are now beginning ( , great
[05:27:22] <fenn> turbocnc has problems with arc blending
[05:27:33] <fenn> or it did when i used it
[05:27:36] <Twingy> tomp. good
[05:27:46] <Twingy> yes
[05:28:24] <Twingy> well, I suggest you put "spiral" plunge in bugzilla as a feature
[05:28:29] <fenn> okie
[05:28:56] <Twingy> only for continious sketches and holes
[05:29:06] <Twingy> *continuous
[05:29:30] <fenn> and gcam gets my color scheme right, unlike axis :)
[05:29:42] <Twingy> heh
[05:29:54] <tomp> Twingy: and motor mount fixed too, now i can go rtfm :) this is nice stuff, thanks
[05:30:02] <cradek> haha, grey is "right", you're just mistaken
[05:30:12] <fenn> i've got grey too
[05:30:29] <cradek> Twingy: I'll play some more tomorrow, thanks, especially for the gtk2.8 fixes
[05:30:33] <Twingy> the manual is out of date...
[05:30:36] <fenn> http://fenn.dyndns.org/pub/irc/gcam.png
[05:30:38] <Twingy> ren is supposed to update that
[05:30:49] <cradek> that's the story of our lives
[05:30:55] <Twingy> fenn, good stuff
[05:31:20] <Twingy> fenn, which window manager?
[05:31:26] <Twingy> * Twingy is using blackbox
[05:31:26] <fenn> icewm
[05:31:28] <Twingy> kk
[05:32:48] <Twingy> next version is going to be bug fixes and optimizations only
[05:32:54] <Twingy> version after that will include support for milled circuit boards
[05:34:11] <tomp> Twingy: the idea of describing a line in 2 planes sounds like wire edm (P0(x) P0(y) P1(x) P1(y) ) did you think about that in your design? or just a result of extrusion?
[05:36:48] <fenn> i broke gdepth somehow.. NameError: global name 'glMaterialfv' is not defined
[05:36:56] <tomp> scratch that: it's not twoplanes
[05:37:06] <Twingy> once I chose extrusions as the core it just ended up that way
[05:37:57] <fenn> works if i comment out that line (278)
[05:38:05] <Twingy> fenn, you talking to me?
[05:38:14] <fenn> no, jepler i guess
[05:38:16] <Twingy> k
[05:38:29] <Twingy> is there an ISO CD containing EMC and RT Linux?
[05:38:44] <Twingy> I think a bootable CD with EMC and GCAM on it would be pretty hot
[05:38:51] <tomp> Twingy: are the extrusions always 'concentric' or could 1 side have a different taper?
[05:39:19] <tomp> Twingy: yes there is a live version, but not the brand new stuff
[05:39:20] <Twingy> tomp, taper on a sketch should get you what you want
[05:39:37] <tomp> cool!
[05:40:03] <tomp> ok, midnight i quit, thanks all!
[05:40:09] <Twingy> there are obviously certain things you can't do with extrusions
[05:40:11] <fenn> Twingy: what size endmill is that (hub) supposed to use?
[05:40:22] <Twingy> fenn, if you look at "Tool" I think it's 1/8"
[05:40:34] <fenn> ah thanks
[05:40:44] <Twingy> it could be optimized more
[05:40:49] <Twingy> I did that in a hurry
[05:40:51] <Twingy> a couple weeks ago
[05:42:07] <Twingy> you have to be careful with the center piece
[05:42:20] <Twingy> after it's free you probly want to remove it before letting it mill the rest
[05:42:47] <Twingy> or set the Traverse(Z) to 0.15
[05:43:01] <Twingy> if you cut it out of aluminum just baby sit it
[05:44:44] <Twingy> k, bed time
[05:45:25] <fenn> http://fenn.dyndns.org/pub/irc/gcam2.png
[05:45:36] <fenn> simulated with gdepth.py
[05:46:15] <Twingy> * Twingy looks
[05:46:31] <Twingy> yep
[05:47:00] <Twingy> cept the center disc is free by that point
[05:47:15] <Twingy> and if not removed then mill will go boom
[05:47:34] <fenn> some people leave little webs so that doesnt happen
[05:47:35] <Twingy> since I designed it poorly in a hurry
[05:47:40] <fenn> then you knock it out with a hammer when done
[05:47:44] <Twingy> right
[05:47:59] <Twingy> well, I would have designed it differently if it were production part
[05:48:16] <Twingy> I want to add a library
[05:48:35] <Twingy> probly 2 or 3 versions from now
[05:48:52] <Twingy> people can upload their stuff since it's a wiki
[05:49:02] <Twingy> "wiki part library"
[05:49:10] <fenn> nice
[05:49:20] <Twingy> for example
[05:49:28] <Twingy> I wrote gcam so that I could design my next rocket motor
[05:49:37] <Twingy> so I will have my rocket motor on there
[05:50:00] <Twingy> I also want to use it to design my next r/c plane
[05:50:04] <Twingy> so I will put the r/c plane up there
[05:50:27] <Twingy> if possible
[05:50:33] <Twingy> I would like to put files up for designing a mill
[05:50:37] <Twingy> using a sherline or taig
[05:50:42] <Twingy> and a bunch of parts
[05:50:43] <fenn> a von neumann machine perhaps
[05:50:51] <Twingy> you basically create a mill from a taig/sherline
[05:51:16] <Twingy> all you need is a friend with a cnc mill and you can make a cnc mill type thing
[05:51:22] <fenn> well i wish i had this software back when i was trying to make hexapod parts
[05:51:37] <fenn> oh well
[05:52:07] <Twingy> I want something about 2x as big as a taig
[05:52:26] <Twingy> so I think myself and a co-worker are going to design the parts and make it on the taig
[05:54:40] <fenn> i suggest getting a section of square steel structural tubing, filling with cement, then casting moglice or something on top to make a flat mounting surface for linear rails or perhaps a sliding bearing made of cold rolled
[05:55:28] <fenn> big fat heavy stuff wont rattle around
[05:55:28] <Twingy> hrm
[05:55:32] <Twingy> I think I found a bug
[05:55:34] <fenn> me too
[05:55:56] <fenn> render final part only cuts the start points for the circles
[05:56:13] <Twingy> I've mentioned several times on the discussion forum that it's broken
[05:56:21] <fenn> oh, sorry
[05:56:24] <Twingy> it's been broken for 3-4 months
[05:56:29] <fenn> i havent even read the readme :D
[05:56:51] <Twingy> ok, I will make another release tomorrow
[05:57:34] <Twingy> if you add a sketch and insert a line it'll say "BAD!"
[05:57:41] <Twingy> forgot to take a printf out
[05:58:04] <Twingy> just ignore that
[06:01:02] <Twingy> k, bed
[06:13:05] <tomp> Twingy: seg fault (<unknown>:871): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_store_set: assertion `VALID_ITER (iter, tree_store)' failed
[06:13:25] <tomp> i tried to 'offset x' on a tangential closed contour
[06:15:43] <tomp> http://imagebin.org/7059
[06:16:56] <tomp> i tried to 'taper offset X .1" and clicked 'pocket' doh! maybe the ,1" was too big for those .05 radii?
[06:21:31] <tomp> umm, no, it seems that offset is skew for the whole prismatic form, not a taper per side, but more of a 'lean' (thats what i see now anyways, lean not taper )
[06:24:54] <tomp> http://imagebin.org/7060
[06:25:28] <fenn> is that tapered?
[06:30:50] <tomp> no, taper is a reduction in size, this just leans, the cross section is constant ( imo )
[06:32:36] <tomp> i'm asleep at the wheel, gotta go
[07:11:58] <ds3> bleh anodizing failure :(
[07:16:29] <Martin_Lundstrom> morning
[08:29:38] <Dallur> morning
[09:41:57] <anonimasu> *yawn*
[09:42:29] <Dallur> *gisp*
[09:46:22] <anonimasu> what's up?
[09:46:48] <alex_jon1> hi
[09:47:02] <Dallur> well 2.1 is out :D
[09:47:18] <alex_jon1> and the LiveCD is updated
[09:48:21] <anonimasu> nice
[09:48:36] <alex_jon1> could you guys check if there is some stale docs?
[09:48:54] <alex_jon1> (if you stumble upon it :)
[09:49:28] <Dallur> alex: sure
[09:50:17] <anonimasu> :)
[10:02:24] <alex_jon1> Dallur: how's the boat?
[10:04:05] <Dallur> alex_joni: nothing happening on that front at the moment
[10:04:49] <Dallur> alex: first I need the plasma table operational, then I need to finish this darn dxf2gode program, then I need to convert everything, then I need to cut everything and ....
[10:04:53] <A-L-P-H-A> where's the change log?
[10:06:25] <alex_jon1> http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=482177&group_id=6744
[10:07:07] <alex_jon1> A-L-P-H-A: front page linuxcnc.org
[10:07:15] <fenn> that's a pretty big changelog :)
[10:07:23] <alex_jon1> fenn: it's a pretty big change :D
[10:07:49] <alex_jon1> fenn: and I bet we forgot at least some of the changes
[10:08:07] <fenn> what does "regression test infrastructure"refer to?
[10:08:10] <alex_jon1> hal tests
[10:08:34] <alex_jon1> fenn: it runs a certain hal script and checks against predetermined results
[10:27:58] <alex_jon1> alex_jon1 is now known as alex_joni
[12:39:17] <alex_joni> http://www.manufacturingtalk.com/news/cpk/cpk106.html
[13:07:29] <jepler> I just updated the PDF docs at
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/ to be version 2.1. The old 2.0 docs are at
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.0/
[13:08:47] <jepler> fenn: when you compile run-in-place you get scripts/runtests, which can run the things in the tests/ directory. there's tests/README which should explain everything
[13:30:35] <alex_joni> jepler: great, thanks
[13:31:30] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, how far back does the logger go?
[13:31:37] <A-L-P-H-A> time wise...
[13:32:08] <alex_joni> 2005 I think
[13:32:29] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... trying to remember when I started coming here... that's all
[13:32:35] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2004/2004-10-18.txt
[13:32:45] <alex_joni> there are older logs somewhere :)
[13:33:10] <alex_joni> I have some from 20040104
[13:33:19] <A-L-P-H-A> logger_emc, help
[13:33:27] <alex_joni> there is no search
[13:33:40] <A-L-P-H-A> pooooooooooh.
[13:34:00] <A-L-P-H-A> can you archive them all into one big bz file, or something?
[13:34:17] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll do a search with some other proggies to see when I start coming in here.
[13:34:28] <A-L-P-H-A> when you get the chance... no hurries.
[13:41:19] <alex_joni> I can grep for you if you have 3-4 requests
[13:41:59] <A-L-P-H-A> nope. just wanted to know when the first occurance happened for the nick "alpha1125" or "a-l-p-h-a"
[13:44:00] <alex_joni> 2004-10-21.txt:16:16:38 <A-L-P-H-A> A-L-P-H-A has joined #emc
[13:44:18] <alex_joni> 2004-10-27.txt:10:10:28 <Alpha1125> Alpha1125 has joined #emc
[13:44:29] <A-L-P-H-A> I've been here that long, or earlier?
[13:44:42] <alex_joni> I can't find anything earlier
[13:45:00] <A-L-P-H-A> 2004-10-18 is the first log? offly close to the start of hte logger. :)
[13:59:31] <anonimasu> 7a
[13:59:33] <anonimasu> *yawn*
[14:11:01] <skunkworks> no internet access most of the weekend.. what a pain :)
[14:13:56] <jepler> skunkworks: welcome back
[14:14:43] <skunkworks> :) thanks -- Looks like the release went well.
[14:14:58] <jepler> most of the developers have tried it, anyway
[14:15:03] <skunkworks> * skunkworks got a lot of house work done.
[14:15:10] <jepler> oh what fun
[14:15:46] <Dallur> hmm they have robots for that you know
[14:16:27] <skunkworks> I wish. (building stairs and finishing trim)
[14:16:27] <Dallur> although a friend has one and he's already looking to replace the batteries with lithium ones
[14:16:45] <Dallur> skunkworks: ahh well that's not half as bad as cleaning :D
[14:16:55] <skunkworks> :)
[14:16:57] <jepler> building stairs? What kind of house did you buy that it doesn't come with all the necessary stairs !?!?!
[14:17:19] <skunkworks> cough. cough - The one we are selling cough
[14:17:44] <jepler> have you considered just torching the place and collecting insurance?
[14:18:21] <Dallur> jepler: damn , you just ruined it this is a public channel and logged
[14:19:16] <Dallur> although I have yet to meet an insurance claims guy that knows what IRC is
[14:19:52] <alex_joni> well.. they probably know google
[14:20:43] <alex_joni> gotta run.. bbl
[14:24:38] <skunkworks> great - can't do that now.. Thanks jepler.
[14:24:38] <skunkworks> ;)
[15:07:20] <awallin> hi, what's up?
[15:07:24] <jepler> good morning awallin
[15:08:09] <jepler> 2.1.0 is officially released
[15:08:28] <awallin> yep, I noticed the activity yesterday, nice.
[15:10:10] <awallin> did you do any more work on gdepth ?
[15:10:44] <jepler> nope, I haven't touched it in a few days
[15:11:37] <awallin> ok, at some point I will be interested in the code, but I'm trying to get a basic UI and some basic functions working first...
[15:11:44] <awallin> for this cam thing I'm planning
[15:12:10] <jepler> the code's online when you are ready
[15:12:23] <awallin> good.
[15:15:25] <awallin> do you know how the g-code for 3D chips was created ?
[15:15:37] <awallin> that would be a fitting test-case for a cam program :)
[15:15:42] <jepler> no, I don't know
[15:16:50] <rayh> If I remember right it was done by Rab Gordon with Rhino to Vector.
[15:19:19] <Jymmmm> * Jymmmm gives rayh a big ol bear hug... ltns!
[15:20:54] <rayh> whose bare?
[15:22:45] <tomp> is bwidget included in standard emc2 install?
[15:23:07] <rayh> Yes. It's used by AXIS, the config picker, and halshow.
[15:23:50] <awallin> tomp: but getting bwidget to work with the current vcpparse was not easy... if you are thinking about bwidget for pyvcp
[15:24:13] <tomp> i had a small tkinter app that didnt find fit, how do i get make 'known' ? so I can 'import bwidget'?
[15:24:34] <tomp> awallin: just lookin for now, no pyvcp intent
[15:25:19] <jepler> "package require BWidget"
[15:25:26] <tomp> thanks
[15:33:21] <alex_joni> awallin: I have some penguings in 3d format
[15:34:18] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/tux
[15:50:33] <awallin> alex_joni: thanks! hope you keep those online for a while, I will grab them when I need them, the stl is probably the only one in 3d format
[15:50:49] <alex_joni> they are there for a while now..
[15:50:59] <alex_joni> just don't lose the link :)
[15:52:51] <tche> hello friends
[15:52:58] <alex_joni> hello
[15:53:09] <tche> the image in dowloads witt a emc 2.1?
[15:53:29] <cradek> do you already have emc2.0 installed?
[15:53:35] <tche> yes
[15:53:49] <tche> upgrade witt apt-get?
[15:53:53] <cradek> then just follow the update instructions for a quick update
[15:53:58] <tche> ok
[15:54:08] <cradek> let me find the url for you
[15:54:14] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UpdatingTo2.1
[15:54:17] <tche> in section downloads
[15:54:17] <cradek> thanks :-)
[15:54:34] <tche> iso image?
[15:54:45] <tche> with 2.1?
[15:54:47] <cradek> read that web page please
[15:54:49] <alex_joni> tche: you don't need the iso
[15:54:56] <tche> ok
[15:55:03] <tche> :)
[15:55:03] <alex_joni> no need to download 600MB for 6MB which you can get by following that page
[15:55:46] <tche> this emc witt a halau?
[15:55:55] <tche> this emc witt a halui?
[15:56:00] <alex_joni> yes
[15:56:22] <tche> THANKS FOR GOD!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:56:31] <tche> :)
[15:56:40] <cradek> god didn't do it, we did
[15:57:02] <tche> OK
[15:57:08] <cradek> haha
[15:57:13] <tche> tahnks
[15:57:17] <tche> thanks
[15:57:28] <cradek> welcome, hope you like it
[15:57:31] <alex_joni> tche: the changes are here:
http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=6744&release_id=482177
[15:59:19] <tche> yes my faith in god
[15:59:37] <Jymmmm> keystick is back????
[15:59:47] <cradek> yes
[15:59:49] <Jymmmm> woo hoo
[16:00:15] <tomp> jepler: maybe "package require BWidget" is tcl/tk speak? i'm trying to get python to "import bwidget" , but it fails with "ImportError: No module named bwidget" ( & I have bwidget1.7.0)
[16:00:36] <Jymmmm> * Jymmmm is STILL waiting for RFC2324 to be implemented.
[16:01:26] <tche> muito bom que o emc ja esta na versão 2.1
[16:01:37] <tche> agora poderei usar o halui!
[16:01:59] <Jymmmm> * Jymmmm was thinking about Jackie a couple days ago
[16:02:31] <tche> agora poderei usar o halui!
[16:02:52] <jepler> tomp: yes, sorry -- that's tcl/tk speak
[16:03:58] <jepler> tomp: to 'import bwidget', you first need to have the sys.path hack that is in most of the python scripts that come with emc2:
[16:04:01] <jepler> tomp: to 'import bwidget', you first need to have the sys.path hack that is in most of the python scripts that come with emc2:import sys, os
[16:04:03] <jepler> BASE = os.path.abspath(os.path.join(os.path.dirname(sys.argv[0]), ".."))
[16:04:04] <jepler> oops, excuse the bad paste
[16:04:08] <jepler> sys.path.insert(0, os.path.join(BASE, "lib", "python"))
[16:04:31] <jepler> that assumes that your python program is in bin/, and the python stuff is in lib/python
[16:04:47] <jepler> you can also use the emc-environment script
[16:05:05] <jepler> * jepler runs off to a meeting
[16:05:18] <tomp> great, will try the emc-env script but will look into the 'hack'
[17:11:17] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/gui/ (axis-limit.png axis.lyx): document the 'axis on limit switch' symbol. Improve discussion of home button and keystroke shortcuts
[17:11:53] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/gui/ (axis-limit.png axis.lyx): merge from HEAD: limit switch symbol
[17:40:59] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/gcode/ (g76.dxf g76.epsi main.lyx): merge from v2_1_branch: g76 documentation
[17:54:45] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/ (9 files): bringing forward all packaging related items from the 2.1 branch
[17:54:57] <cradek> Dallur: does your THC add a height offset in HAL to EMC's requested Z?
[17:55:16] <alex_joni> cradek: yes, and substract it from the feedback
[17:55:24] <cradek> cool
[17:55:25] <alex_joni> but I already said that to the guy a while ago..
[17:55:32] <cradek> oh
[17:55:36] <alex_joni> guess I wasn't clear enough :D
[17:55:40] <A-L-P-H-A> hello folks... back from 3hrs of driving!!! what fun
[17:55:56] <cradek> I think my simple height sensor using an encoder will be the secret
[17:56:04] <alex_joni> heh :D
[17:56:20] <cradek> sounds very fun
[17:56:33] <A-L-P-H-A> drove my sister back to her university... and then home.
[17:56:35] <cradek> strange to start working on it in january - he must be expecting it to take a while!
[17:57:11] <A-L-P-H-A> freak'n would have stayed and looked at the eye candy... but it's winter, and everyone's bundled up, so no skin, no figure, just winter jackets, gloves, and hats... kinda is pooh.
[17:59:44] <A-L-P-H-A> what's PID stand for again?
[18:00:00] <erDiZz> Process IDentificator?
[18:00:17] <alex_joni> proportional, integrator, derivative
[18:00:23] <A-L-P-H-A> Kenneth Lerman mentioned a PID in his email.
[18:00:43] <alex_joni> it's a thing to tune a motor work after a certain feedback
[18:01:07] <A-L-P-H-A> so a PLC of sort?
[18:01:14] <A-L-P-H-A> or it is a PLC?
[18:01:16] <alex_joni> no
[18:01:19] <alex_joni> it's a loop
[18:01:35] <alex_joni> software (or analog hardware)
[18:01:38] <A-L-P-H-A> oh...
[18:01:45] <alex_joni> it takes the position feedback and the prescription as input
[18:01:55] <alex_joni> then calculates how it should drive the motor
[18:02:08] <A-L-P-H-A> so like "an encoder do motion" sort of thing?
[18:03:10] <A-L-P-H-A> so how's that different than a PLC + encoder + motor? isn't a PID just like a programmable logic controller? [I don't know, that's why I'm asking]
[18:03:16] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: it's the simplest possible way to move a servo
[18:03:30] <alex_joni> the PLC usually implements a PID function
[18:03:38] <alex_joni> but the PLC is a device.. like a PC
[18:03:56] <alex_joni> you can't say the PC is a typing machine.. although it can be set up as one
[18:04:41] <erDiZz> * erDiZz gets some new information from this
[18:04:42] <A-L-P-H-A> ahh... google.
[18:04:43] <A-L-P-H-A> Proportional, integral, derivative. A three mode control action where the controller has time proportioning, integral (auto reset) and derivative rate action.
[18:05:15] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: there's a good intro on wikipedia, or in the integrators manual
[18:06:46] <A-L-P-H-A> reading.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PID_controller
[18:12:37] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-Ubuntu-5.10/emc2.files: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
[18:12:36] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-Ubuntu-5.10/usr/share/applications/ (4 files): update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
[18:12:36] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-Ubuntu-6.06/emc2.files: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
[18:12:37] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-Ubuntu-6.06/usr/share/applications/ (4 files): update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
[18:12:40] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-5.10/emc2.files: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
[18:12:43] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-5.10/etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/cnc.menu: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
[18:12:46] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-5.10/usr/share/applications/ (4 files): update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
[18:12:51] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-5.10/usr/share/desktop-directories/cnc.directory: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
[18:12:54] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-5.10/usr/share/pixmaps/emc2icon.png: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
[18:12:57] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-6.06/emc2.files: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
[18:13:00] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-6.06/etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/cnc.menu: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
[18:13:05] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-6.06/usr/share/applications/ (4 files): update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
[18:13:08] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-6.06/usr/share/desktop-directories/cnc.directory: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
[18:13:13] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/extras-sim-Ubuntu-6.06/usr/share/pixmaps/emc2icon.png: update custom files for breezy and dapper, RT and sim (from the 2.1 branch)
[18:16:14] <lerneaen_hydra> yay 2.1
[18:16:20] <lerneaen_hydra> is 2.1 testing or stable?
[18:16:40] <alex_joni> it has the same status as 2.0.x
[18:16:40] <SWPadnos> every release is stable for ENC2 :)
[18:16:44] <SWPadnos> and EMC2
[18:16:55] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: I avoided saying that :D
[18:17:05] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:17:21] <SWPadnos> I could have said "no release is intended to be less stable" or something ;)
[18:17:29] <lerneaen_hydra> what happened to the old head/testing/stable hierarchy?
[18:17:39] <alex_joni> lerneaen_hydra: it got forgotten :D
[18:17:44] <lerneaen_hydra> aha, ok
[18:17:51] <alex_joni> now we make an release, and keep only bugfixes on that branch
[18:18:03] <lerneaen_hydra> so essentailly now there's only head and current release?
[18:18:16] <alex_joni> new improvements on TRUNK
[18:18:31] <alex_joni> after a while we decide it's time for a release, then we branch TRUNK again
[18:18:41] <alex_joni> and stabilize, clean that branch of bugs/problems
[18:18:43] <lerneaen_hydra> ah,l ok
[18:18:44] <alex_joni> then we release
[18:18:48] <lerneaen_hydra> *ah
[18:18:55] <lerneaen_hydra> yay!
[18:19:14] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/debian/emc2.postinst: don't need this hack on pre-2.2 yet :)
[18:19:29] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos... I can't cancel my check... the funds have already left. :(
[18:19:37] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, I don't get a mesa for free.
[18:19:44] <SWPadnos> I guess you'll just have to keep the boards then ...
[18:19:53] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, darn. :)
[18:20:06] <SWPadnos> remember - it's not them you'd be screwing, it's me :)
[18:20:22] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos... I know. ^_^
[18:20:42] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: you gotta screw back :D
[18:20:54] <SWPadnos> I already have a partner, thanks
[18:21:05] <alex_joni> guess he won't like to discover the FPGA is missing from his 5i20 :D
[18:21:12] <SWPadnos> shhhhh
[18:21:20] <alex_joni> oops.. did I say that in here?
[18:22:06] <A-L-P-H-A> how would be missing? it's soldered on. :P
[18:22:14] <SWPadnos> I can desolder
[18:22:20] <alex_joni> or use a plier :D
[18:22:22] <A-L-P-H-A> well. wait... there is a green dot on it... so I can't tell what chip is on it.
[18:22:27] <SWPadnos> or a milling machine
[18:22:29] <alex_joni> haha
[18:22:34] <alex_joni> milling machine is nice
[18:22:42] <SWPadnos> "hey - what's that rectangular hole in the middle of the board" :)
[18:22:44] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, what chip is actually on there anyways?
[18:22:52] <alex_joni> reminds me of some guys from russia that were in the reverse engineering business
[18:23:12] <SWPadnos> there are a couple. one is a PLX 9030 PCI interface chip, the other is a Xilinx Spartan-2 200k gate FPGA
[18:23:25] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: they would recover firmwares from almost any microcontroller
[18:23:39] <alex_joni> especially the ones with read firmware encoding :)
[18:23:41] <SWPadnos> right - zing off the top and look at it with a really good microscope / probe set
[18:23:49] <alex_joni> yeah, that
[18:24:04] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, PHD students do that too...
[18:24:12] <alex_joni> putting logic analysers on address/data lines
[18:24:16] <A-L-P-H-A> that's what they were doing with satellite decoder cards.
[18:24:20] <SWPadnos> not back in my day, they didn't
[18:24:21] <A-L-P-H-A> the smart cards...
[18:24:28] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: that's different
[18:24:41] <alex_joni> it's one thing to crack an encription
[18:24:50] <A-L-P-H-A> some phd students... they were using a microscope (electron?) to read the chip to reverse engineer it.
[18:24:55] <SWPadnos> yep
[18:25:05] <alex_joni> it's another to mill off half the capsule, and start putting microscope probes in there
[18:25:15] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: nice
[18:25:16] <A-L-P-H-A> no clue... I'm a software guy
[18:25:36] <alex_joni> I had a nice teacher a while ago
[18:25:43] <A-L-P-H-A> dunno what was happening... so two people... one would say zero, one, and the other would write.
[18:25:52] <alex_joni> he thought me there are a lot of things software guys don't know
[18:26:01] <alex_joni> yet that's not true for HW guys :D
[18:26:25] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, so who do I go through the waranty with? you or mesa? :D
[18:26:36] <SWPadnos> them, of course ;)
[18:26:37] <alex_joni> software is something one can learn on his own
[18:27:03] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: but you need the original invoice and packaging .. :-P
[18:27:12] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos. I got a copy of the invoices...
[18:27:17] <SWPadnos> I sent copies of the invoice :P
[18:27:22] <alex_joni> haha
[18:27:42] <SWPadnos> I asked about that, actually. all you need is the invoice number and date
[18:27:43] <A-L-P-H-A> whichever... I'll just blame SWPadnos. :)
[18:27:52] <SWPadnos> I'll balme Canada :)
[18:27:56] <SWPadnos> blame
[18:28:26] <A-L-P-H-A> I blame the americant (lack of) educational system.
[18:29:06] <A-L-P-H-A> what do I need to program this bad boy?
[18:29:14] <A-L-P-H-A> or can I do it via the pci?
[18:29:15] <SWPadnos> I guess you'll haev to figure it out
[18:29:23] <SWPadnos> since you have such a great eddicatin system
[18:29:30] <lerneaen_hydra> hahaha
[18:29:55] <A-L-P-H-A> oops... forgot SWPadnos' better half is a teacher.
[18:30:09] <SWPadnos> Americans:1, Canadians: nil
[18:30:32] <A-L-P-H-A> hey... the bitch is always on the bottom. :)
[18:30:46] <SWPadnos> oh, you're young. I forgot
[18:31:30] <A-L-P-H-A> ha! JTAG isn't normally used, and can be programmed bia the PCI.
[18:31:35] <A-L-P-H-A> ia
[18:31:37] <A-L-P-H-A> via
[18:31:41] <SWPadnos> yay - yer ketchin' up
[18:32:17] <SWPadnos> (you'll find that with EMC2, the HAL driver will optionally load a particular configuration for you)
[18:34:00] <lerneaen_hydra> * lerneaen_hydra is still the most wet-behind-the-ears person here
[18:34:05] <lerneaen_hydra> for better or worse
[18:34:21] <A-L-P-H-A> lerneaen_hydra, played more ut99?
[18:34:29] <lerneaen_hydra> nah, not yet
[18:34:45] <lerneaen_hydra> been busy with school
[18:34:51] <A-L-P-H-A> I see.
[18:38:42] <A-L-P-H-A> found awallin's page. :)
http://www.anderswallin.net/2006/08/optoisolator-cards-for-mesa-5i20-servocard/
[18:40:18] <A-L-P-H-A> awallin, you should prob. upgrade to wordpress 2.1 :)
[18:44:58] <awallin> A-L-P-H-A: oh, to match emc's version number?
[18:45:10] <A-L-P-H-A> uh. sure. we'll go with that answer. :)
[18:45:34] <A-L-P-H-A> awallin, security fixes, and better html area input for posts.
[18:46:51] <awallin> have you done an upgrade to wp2.1? any troubles? I find that my theme always goes back to default at each upgrade...
[18:47:18] <A-L-P-H-A> awallin, your theme gets reset, cause you didn't make a separate, new theme.
[18:47:35] <A-L-P-H-A> awallin, if you upload, and replace everything, it's gonna over write your old theme.
[18:47:55] <A-L-P-H-A> but if you made /wp-contents/themes/awallin your current theme... it wouldn't be replaced.
[18:48:39] <awallin> ah, that might be a good idea, if the api to the theme will stay more or less constant for a while
[18:48:47] <A-L-P-H-A> I take it you're editing /wp-content/themes/default/header.php to adjust your header file? If you copy the folder, and edit the newly copied style.css file to reflect your theme... it won't be over written anymore.
[18:49:03] <A-L-P-H-A> it's been pretty consistant since WP1.5
[18:49:11] <A-L-P-H-A> when themes were introduced.
[18:49:54] <A-L-P-H-A> http://74.118.200.224/mn/ this is 2.0.7
[18:52:53] <awallin> I'll probably upgrade when I have extra time... probably a few weeks from now, the security issues can't ne that bad can they?
[18:56:45] <alex_joni> lerneaen_hydra: how wet?
[18:57:13] <A-L-P-H-A> awallin, umm... pages hijacked... so you should, when you get the chance.
[18:58:01] <awallin> A-L-P-H-A: that bad?...
[18:58:13] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah.
[18:58:16] <A-L-P-H-A> at least go 2.0.7
[18:58:44] <A-L-P-H-A> awallin, I wouldn't worry too much... unless youwere making money from your blog.
[18:59:13] <awallin> nope
[18:59:56] <A-L-P-H-A> I wasn't hungry earlier... but I still ate something... now, and 1hr later after I ate, I'm hungry.
[19:00:07] <A-L-P-H-A> stupid body
[19:00:25] <awallin> are you a dog and your master's name is pavlov?
[19:01:15] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm no salivating.
[19:01:33] <A-L-P-H-A> and that was with a bell...
[19:06:33] <lerneaen_hydra> * lerneaen_hydra feels
[19:06:37] <lerneaen_hydra> alex_joni; a bit moist
[19:07:18] <alex_joni> I meant how old?
[19:08:08] <lerneaen_hydra> oh :p
[19:08:22] <lerneaen_hydra> you don't want to know :p
[19:08:38] <alex_joni> why not?
[19:10:09] <lerneaen_hydra> oh I'm just being diffucult now
[19:10:13] <lerneaen_hydra> 19
[19:10:22] <lerneaen_hydra> *difficult
[19:16:38] <alex_joni> heh.. you are younger than me :)
[19:16:59] <alex_joni> not that there is anything bad in that statement ..
[19:18:48] <lerneaen_hydra> hahaha
[19:19:14] <awallin> A-L-P-H-A: so I copied over my theme into a new dir under wp-content/themes, but it doesn't show up under the theme tab in the admin panel
[19:22:05] <Dallur> alex: regarding that mail on the forum, capacitive sensors work with most materials and should work fine with pumpkins as far as I know
[19:22:20] <robin_sz> pumpkins?
[19:22:37] <Dallur> robin_sz: ehh meep
[19:22:52] <Dallur> robin_sz: some guy on the mailing list wants to cut pumpkins
[19:23:09] <robin_sz> using a capacative height sensor to detect where it is?
[19:23:11] <lerneaen_hydra> and he needs a capacitive sensor in the knife because?
[19:23:34] <Dallur> robin_sz: yup, automatic height ctrl
[19:23:53] <robin_sz> sounds unlikely to work to be honest ... not with any precision anyway
[19:24:50] <robin_sz> I suspect pumpkins are a somewhat variable dielectric, depending on how wet they are etc
[19:25:24] <Dallur> I don't know pumpkins that well but I figured the moisture would be enough to set of the capacitive sensor
[19:25:34] <robin_sz> yeah
[19:25:42] <robin_sz> but I suspect it varies quite a bit
[19:26:30] <Dallur> laser interferometry using a 3D scanner then ! :)
[19:26:49] <robin_sz> our die-board cutting machine has a travelling foot around the torch to sense the height of the plywood .. a servo drives the head to the correct height
[19:29:17] <skunkworks> that is how ours is also.
[19:29:30] <anonimasu> hm
[19:29:36] <anonimasu> * anonimasu has been at work playing with the mill
[19:29:51] <robin_sz> nice mill?
[19:29:56] <anonimasu> yes
[19:30:02] <anonimasu> linear encoders
[19:30:11] <robin_sz> ooh nice
[19:30:16] <anonimasu> very very nice..
[19:30:33] <robin_sz> does it move yet
[19:30:35] <anonimasu> yes
[19:30:42] <anonimasu> been playing for 2 hours with it
[19:30:43] <robin_sz> and is it fast?
[19:30:55] <Martin_Lundstrom> howdy folks
[19:30:59] <anonimasu> 2500mm/min
[19:31:04] <robin_sz> fast enough
[19:31:08] <anonimasu> yeah
[19:31:08] <anonimasu> 1kw servos
[19:31:22] <anonimasu> the
[19:31:24] <robin_sz> very nice
[19:31:29] <anonimasu> the vice weighs 56kg
[19:31:34] <robin_sz> heh
[19:31:41] <Martin_Lundstrom> anonimasu, how is your plasma table design going?
[19:31:51] <anonimasu> Martin_Lundstrom: waiting for rails
[19:32:01] <Martin_Lundstrom> ok
[19:32:44] <anonimasu> faced some block :)
[19:32:49] <anonimasu> to try some online programming
[19:32:54] <anonimasu> going to play with making programs tomorrow
[19:33:23] <Martin_Lundstrom> is Dallur around?
[19:33:53] <skunkworks> more like
[19:33:56] <cradek> he was here 10 mins ago
[19:34:06] <skunkworks> Dallur: you around?
[19:34:22] <Dallur> yup
[19:35:02] <Martin_Lundstrom> Dallur, any tests yet with your plasma table?
[19:36:13] <Dallur> Martin: not yet, still assembling
[19:36:23] <Dallur> http://dallur.com/index.php?id=44&tx_lzgallery_pi1[subg]=10&tx_lzgallery_pi1[showUid]=41 are pictures from last night
[19:36:39] <Martin_Lundstrom> ok I hold my horses :)
[19:36:44] <Dallur> Martin: i'm hoping next weekend
[19:36:49] <lerneaen_hydra> that's a lot of studs
[19:37:05] <Dallur> LH: 154 :D
[19:37:08] <Martin_Lundstrom> Dallur, cool
[19:37:08] <lerneaen_hydra> what's the working range?
[19:37:11] <lerneaen_hydra> 1mx5x?
[19:37:19] <Dallur> LH: 2.5m x 6.5m
[19:37:28] <lerneaen_hydra> heh, not bad
[19:37:40] <lerneaen_hydra> what happens when you machine a stud by mistake?
[19:37:45] <lerneaen_hydra> say oops and replace it?
[19:37:46] <Dallur> LH: designed to cut 2x6 plates full size
[19:37:59] <Dallur> LH: yup, those studs are replaceable
[19:38:03] <lerneaen_hydra> how do you lift them onto the table?
[19:38:09] <Dallur> LH: plate clamps
[19:38:16] <lerneaen_hydra> oh, ok
[19:38:23] <Martin_Lundstrom> Dallur, thats the stuff for your boat!
[19:38:35] <lerneaen_hydra> are the studs just 1/4" carrige bolts?
[19:38:39] <eholmgren> who's that weird looking guy in the jumpsuit?
[19:38:47] <eholmgren> did he just run in there or something?
[19:39:14] <Martin_Lundstrom> Dallur, I love it :)
[19:39:15] <Dallur> eholmgren: it's a bit cold in there (around 2° C) and one of those guys is me
[19:39:19] <eholmgren> ;)
[19:39:28] <lerneaen_hydra> http://hologram.istheshit.net/?
[19:39:40] <Dallur> eholmgren: i'm the wierd guy with the dark hair
[19:39:57] <Dallur> lol
[19:40:09] <lerneaen_hydra> hahaha, ejholmgren, excelent style
[19:41:48] <awallin> Dallur: did you make any new videos yesterday?
[19:42:08] <Dallur> I wish you guys could have seen the expression on the faces of people when we trailered it across town to the facility ,,,, the tow car being a Suzuki Swift (Geo Metro) with a trailer extending over 8m
[19:42:26] <eholmgren> haha
[19:42:46] <Dallur> awallin: the other guy im building the boat with was working on encoding them and he did not upload any new ones so :/
[19:44:03] <Dallur> awallin: I will let you know as soon as I got something better
[19:49:20] <Dallur> hmmf Nice servo/motor combo on Ebay ->
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=180078656595&rd=1&rd=1
[19:54:32] <Dallur> awallin: If you want to see where the python object thing is I just put it on
http://pastebin.ca/332166
[19:58:05] <awallin> Dallur: I wonder what the max rpm on that motor is, 8Nm continuous sounds like a lot
[19:59:01] <Dallur> awallin: no idea, I was thinking it would make a nice retrofit for a lathe or a spindle for a mill
[19:59:13] <awallin> 8Nm torque and 3000rpm would be 2.5 kW if I calculate correctly
[19:59:38] <awallin> Dallur: yeah, if it went up to really high rpm I could be interested, like 6000rpm would be very interesting already
[20:02:28] <Dallur> awallin: it's 6000 rpm max
[20:02:51] <awallin> Dallur: yeah, it looks like that from the pdf sheet, H-model. I wonder what the rest of the letters mean
[20:03:13] <awallin> whats a 24-bit resolver??
[20:04:50] <Dallur> I have no clue
[20:07:14] <anonimasu> yeah, though a resolver with 24 bit position output?
[20:07:44] <awallin> hm, it's for 3-phase mains, I don't have that in the shop
[20:07:58] <awallin> well a 5 kW drive would be 3-phase ofcourse
[20:11:01] <Dallur> awallin: it's also for 3phase 220-240V, you probably have the same as we do 3phase 380-420V ?
[20:13:16] <awallin> Dallur: yeah, might be like that, I've worked very little with 3-phase things
[21:01:20] <eholmgren> heh ... I misread that as 70 oz/inch
[21:03:35] <eholmgren> oh cute little baby servo ... oops 1120 oz/inch
[21:03:50] <eholmgren> * eholmgren backs away as it growls at him
[21:11:20] <awallin> ok A-L-P-H-A, now I upgraded to wp 2.1
[21:18:00] <awallin> actually, now with wp 2.1 I get a much crappier post editor than with 2.0.6, I must have done something wrong?
[21:26:25] <awallin> nevermind, found it.
[21:51:24] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/ (4 files): convert pluto-servo documentation to lyx
[21:51:25] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/ (Submakefile index.tmpl): convert pluto-servo documentation to lyx
[21:52:03] <lerneaen_hydra> 'night all
[21:53:39] <jepler> see you lerneaen_hydra
[22:37:29] <alex_joni> the most idiotic thing I've seen lately:
http://www.hairy-mail.com/
[22:40:18] <awallin> just random surfing, or are you specifically googling for things like this? ;)
[22:41:19] <alex_joni> awallin: unfortunately I have friends that send me stuff like this
[22:41:23] <alex_joni> it's a curse
[22:55:01] <alex_joni> good night all
[23:14:32] <Twingy> any metric users?
[23:14:39] <anonimasu> yes
[23:14:42] <SWPadnos> most of the world
[23:14:54] <Twingy> what is more canonical, working in centimeters or milimeters ?
[23:15:04] <Twingy> given a choice
[23:15:08] <anonimasu> eh, I'd have no idea..
[23:15:09] <SWPadnos> for machining, mm is more common
[23:15:12] <anonimasu> mm
[23:15:16] <anonimasu> that's all we do stuff in at work
[23:15:19] <anonimasu> even big stuff..
[23:15:18] <Twingy> thought so
[23:15:26] <Twingy> k
[23:15:28] <anonimasu> 733mm and so on
[23:17:24] <erDiZz> Twingy, dimensions on the drawings are in millimeters _only_
[23:20:50] <anonimasu> :)
[23:25:07] <erDiZz> anonimasu, kind of a simplification meant to be remembered
[23:25:41] <anonimasu> erDiZz: eh?
[23:25:47] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:26:39] <erDiZz> eh? :) seen this one?
http://www.blastwavecomic.com/comics/31.jpg
[23:27:42] <anonimasu> lol
[23:33:17] <ds3> freely mix meters, mm, and cm w/o any labeling in a drawing. makes for very entertaining results ;)
[23:33:32] <anonimasu> ^_^
[23:37:55] <ds3> afterall, one must use the most natural 10 base system of labeling....conversion between them is a trivial matter of shifting the decimal point =)
