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[01:43:18] <JymmmEMC> * JymmmEMC sparks up a joint, Since everyone is asleep...
[01:43:25] <JymmmEMC> in #emc that is
[01:43:49] <JymmmEMC> * JymmmEMC blows smokes in robin_sz's face
[01:49:11] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/task/emccanon.cc: some debug output
[01:56:29] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/ (control.c emcmotcfg.h): make sure all elements of 'positions[]' are set before calling kinematics
[02:04:43] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/control.c: stupid typo
[03:19:24] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/bfmerge.c: allow word and long values in driver 'hints' file
[07:59:51] <JymmmEMC> Ohms law says this is ~ 4.2 ohms, but that aint inductance...
http://search.ebay.com/330028669783
[08:08:22] <robin_sz> 4V is quite high
[08:08:43] <robin_sz> probably got a lot of wire in there ... and consequently probably got high inductance
[08:09:09] <JymmmEMC> So, not alot of toque?
[08:09:20] <robin_sz> no, torque will be fine ...
[08:09:21] <robin_sz> but ..
[08:09:46] <robin_sz> conventional wisdom says you need 20 to 25 times the DC drop for the stepper drive ...
[08:09:57] <robin_sz> so ideally a 80 to 100V supply on the drive
[08:10:16] <JymmmEMC> Hey, close to mains!!! no ps required!!! LOL
[08:11:13] <robin_sz> look fairly modern motors though, so should be better than slo-syn
[08:11:17] <JymmmEMC> I found 24VDC 6A PS for $22 already asked if he has two of them
[08:11:41] <robin_sz> umm ... $44 right?
[08:11:43] <JymmmEMC> That 48VDC PS, the seller is "quesitonable" if you read his feedback
[08:11:48] <robin_sz> ah.
[08:11:50] <JymmmEMC> Yeah
[08:11:57] <JymmmEMC> 2 X 24VDC linear
[08:12:02] <JymmmEMC> @ 6A
[08:14:22] <JymmmEMC> http://cgi.ebay.com/CNC-linear-Power-supply-5-vdc-a-24-vdc-6a_W0QQitemZ330096365867QQihZ014QQcategoryZ71394QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[08:14:47] <JymmmEMC> This guy hass 100% feedback and 1500
[08:15:07] <JymmmEMC> and just 100 miles away
[08:16:07] <robin_sz> only feedback I found for that item for him was "great product fast shipping"
[08:17:16] <JymmmEMC> Seller:
[08:17:17] <JymmmEMC> carolbrent( 1550)
[08:17:17] <JymmmEMC> Feedback:
[08:17:17] <JymmmEMC> 100% Positive
[08:17:17] <JymmmEMC> Member:
[08:17:18] <JymmmEMC> since May-19-01 in United States
[08:19:16] <JymmmEMC> well, G'night folks!
[08:20:27] <robin_sz> good old Jymmm .. finds the perfect PSU for $35 but finds $randomReason for not buying it and buying 2 crappy looking 24V ones to strap together for more money ...
[08:23:14] <anonimasu> 4heh..
[08:23:34] <anonimasu> agreed..
[08:25:01] <anonimasu> robin_sz: I made my ramp..
[08:37:14] <robin_sz> nicey
[08:38:17] <robin_sz> I bet those PSUs are 5V@6A and 24V@notMuch
[08:40:59] <anonimasu> yep
[08:41:15] <anonimasu> the first one looked good
[09:06:19] <anonimasu> ramen time! :D
[09:41:34] <robin_sz> ramen? noodles?
[09:48:01] <anonimasu> yeah
[09:50:07] <anonimasu> im reading at cnczone
[09:50:13] <anonimasu> about some broken machines
[09:50:41] <anonimasu> got a account?
[09:50:43] <anonimasu> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=36165&d=1177605214
[09:50:46] <anonimasu> it's a image..
[09:50:50] <anonimasu> that's off a new haas..
[10:26:39] <robin_sz> ooh, not nice
[10:27:55] <robin_sz> some of the msaller haas machinesa are a bit light
[10:28:06] <robin_sz> the VFO series are nice
[12:16:36] <anonimasu> robin_sz: that
[12:16:46] <anonimasu> robin_sz: that kind of finish isnt acceÃptable even on a minimill
[12:31:16] <robin_sz> agreed
[12:31:53] <robin_sz> the Haas mini I used has a much better finish than that
[12:32:22] <robin_sz> it could be a tooling issue, maybe he paused the motion for a while?
[12:32:55] <anonimasu> nope they exhausted that on the forum
[12:33:12] <anonimasu> i think its a program issue or something
[12:33:40] <anonimasu> im drowning in acetaö
[12:33:41] <anonimasu> l
[18:12:20] <Jymmmmmmm> Will the real SWPadnos, please stand up
[18:14:15] <robin_sz> did you buy that $35 PSU yet?
[18:17:30] <Jymmmmmmm> waiting to see if he has two of them, no reply yet
[18:18:02] <Jymmmmmmm> the 35 or the 33 $ one?
[18:18:06] <Jymmmmmmm> err 22
[18:18:47] <robin_sz> the 22 one looked ancient and a bit weak
[18:19:02] <robin_sz> probably 5V @ 6A and 24V at ~trivial
[18:19:32] <Jymmmmmmm> http://cgi.ebay.com/CNC-linear-Power-supply-5-vdc-a-24-vdc-6a_W0QQitemZ330096365867QQihZ014QQcategoryZ71394QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[18:19:42] <robin_sz> yes, saw it ...
[18:19:52] <Jymmmmmmm> He doesn't list the amps at 5v, just at 24v
[18:20:05] <robin_sz> blue PCB .. gotta be in60s early 70s
[18:20:13] <Jymmmmmmm> ah
[18:20:35] <robin_sz> the $35 one was at least a genuine stepper PSU
[18:21:47] <Jymmmmmmm> Well, if you believe everything you read, so is this one =)
[18:22:11] <Jymmmmmmm> I never buy anything off ebay w/o contacting seller first.
[18:22:27] <Jymmmmmmm> way too many flakes
[18:23:37] <robin_sz> I dont think I have ever done that ... I just click and buy
[18:23:57] <robin_sz> and I NEVER leave feedback for a seller unless they leave feedback first
[18:24:12] <robin_sz> the moment I have paid, they can leave feedback.
[18:24:49] <Jymmmmmmm> My policy is to not leave feedback until the buyer does, and I state that too before they even make a bid.
[18:25:07] <Jymmmmmmm> It lets me know they've received the item and in good condition
[18:25:16] <toastydeath> i don't see how nobody getting feedback is a bad thing
[18:25:26] <toastydeath> STALEMATE
[18:25:47] <robin_sz> well, there are too many sellers out there who give bad feedback to buyers who complain
[18:25:55] <robin_sz> a buyers deed is done when they have paid
[18:26:15] <Jymmmmmmm> My gf got neg feedback because the buyer gave the wrong zipcode and it took the post office 4 extra days to deliver. WTF
[18:26:17] <robin_sz> basically, it means I only get feedback on about 30% of my deals, but I dont care
[18:27:37] <robin_sz> I think ive done around 600 deals now ... feedback is about 200, 100%
[18:30:39] <Jymmmmmmm> Ebay used to be pretty good, lots of things up there, now sometimes I can't even find what I'm looking for at any price.
[18:31:08] <Jymmmmmmm> And now, ebay is just a PITA much of the time.
[18:32:00] <Jymmmmmmm> Nice intro reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepper_motor and
http://ams2000.com/stepping101.html
[18:33:27] <SWPadnos> Jymmmmmmm, I'm sitting, will that do?
[18:35:00] <Jymmmmmmm> sure, why not =)
[18:35:29] <SWPadnos> ok, here I sit
[18:40:58] <ds2> bah... ebay ain't worth the risk/hassle
[18:44:35] <gene> hey guys, keyboard problem solved!
[18:45:55] <SWPadnos> yay!
[18:46:01] <SWPadnos> what'cha do?
[18:48:01] <gene> For future reference, this elcheapo logitech keyboard has an F lock, a little button to the left of the esc and tilde keys, which enables the keys as long as the led, on the other end of the keyboard, with F beside it, is illuminated.
[18:48:33] <SWPadnos> hahaha
[18:48:47] <SWPadnos> look out for any recent MS Natural keyboards as well
[18:48:57] <SWPadnos> and it refuses to power up with the F-keys enabled
[18:49:09] <SWPadnos> (that's a pet peeve of a friend of mine who has one of those)
[18:49:31] <gene> I must have pressed it somehow while moving the keyboard, but I swear on a pretty high stack of bibles I never saw that led turned on before
[18:49:53] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:50:06] <SWPadnos> too many bibles in the way - you can't see LEDs behind those you know ;)
[18:50:49] <gene> I bought this one to replace one that went south (chuckle, yeah) last fall, and it worked just fine for the cvs HEAD build I was running then.
[18:51:29] <gene> Now to find a majik marker and note that it MUST be on.
[18:52:46] <SWPadnos> or get out the jackkinfe and cut out the contact for that key ;)
[18:53:21] <gene> Ok, now I need to find my xylotex papers, and get me a terminal strip I can mount on the outside of my amplifier box, and get this G38.2 probe hooked up.
[18:53:50] <gene> Does anyone have a favorite terminal to use for that on teh board itself?
[18:54:31] <gene> I suspect its a power up default to off.
[18:54:42] <tomp> under ubuntu 6.06, toolame wouldnt encode a way to an mp3 until i ran the cmd sudo! i used mplayer to make the wav from an rtsp stream. these permission stumblers seem so random.
[18:55:20] <tomp> gene: whats the probe?
[18:56:27] <gene> I think it was Dean that snet me a pix of something he made out of brass telescoping tubing and an opto-interruptor.
[18:57:48] <tomp> a slit/shutter and a beam/rcvr, in a spring loaded tube, cool
[18:58:17] <ds2> hahahahahahahaha the F lock.... I spent 2 hours trying to figure that one out myself
[18:59:21] <gene> Yes, I have that built, but need to get a small piece of pcb to handle the end of the cable, I wasn't smart enough to order the ones with the extra ears to run the cable through.
[18:59:53] <gene> Can I say Duh, or blame it on alzheimers...
[19:00:16] <tomp> i'm gonna try using a voltage drop and put a small potential across the tool to workpiece ( my table is insulated ) maybe 10v at 20mA... hmmm i could just use a pull up on a parport input (or an opto to parport)
[19:01:16] <gene> So, I'm off to the shack. My table isn't insulated, a micromill with aftermarket longer table
[19:01:24] <gene> bbl, thanks guys.
[19:45:32] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i really wanted to mow my grass.. to bad it's raining as soon as i pull the mower out
[19:45:36] <ohiopctechDOTcom> :(
[19:45:55] <ohiopctechDOTcom> oh well, guess i'll play with the cnc!
[20:36:19] <anonimasu> good idea
[20:45:52] <jmkasunich> put on your wading boots, a flood is comint!
[20:45:59] <jmkasunich> coming
[20:46:32] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/task/taskintf.cc:
[20:46:32] <CIA-8> cleanup: EMCMOT_MAX_JOINTS has been a variable for a couple of months... rename
[20:46:32] <CIA-8> those usages of it to 'num_joints', and re-instate EMCMOT_MAX_JOINTS as a
[20:46:32] <CIA-8> constant in the few places it is needed as such. Also change the insmod param
[20:46:32] <CIA-8> from max_joints to num_joints.
[20:46:33] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/halui.cc:
[20:46:37] <CIA-8> cleanup: EMCMOT_MAX_JOINTS has been a variable for a couple of months... rename
[20:46:38] <CIA-8> those usages of it to 'num_joints', and re-instate EMCMOT_MAX_JOINTS as a
[20:46:40] <CIA-8> constant in the few places it is needed as such. Also change the insmod param
[20:46:43] <CIA-8> from max_joints to num_joints.
[20:46:45] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/ (8 files):
[20:46:46] <CIA-8> cleanup: EMCMOT_MAX_JOINTS has been a variable for a couple of months... rename
[20:46:50] <CIA-8> those usages of it to 'num_joints', and re-instate EMCMOT_MAX_JOINTS as a
[20:46:52] <CIA-8> constant in the few places it is needed as such. Also change the insmod param
[20:46:55] <CIA-8> from max_joints to num_joints.
[20:47:19] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/boss/boss.hal: change motmod insmod parameter from max_joints to num_joints
[20:47:21] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/common/ (core_servo.hal core_sim.hal core_stepper.hal): change motmod insmod parameter from max_joints to num_joints
[20:47:21] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/dallur-thc/dallur-core_stepper.hal: change motmod insmod parameter from max_joints to num_joints
[20:47:22] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/etch-servo/etch.hal: change motmod insmod parameter from max_joints to num_joints
[20:47:24] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/hexapod-sim/core_sim_6.hal: change motmod insmod parameter from max_joints to num_joints
[20:47:27] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/max/max.hal: change motmod insmod parameter from max_joints to num_joints
[20:47:31] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/nist-lathe/nist-lathe.hal: change motmod insmod parameter from max_joints to num_joints
[20:47:33] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/lathe-pluto/lathe-pluto.hal: change motmod insmod parameter from max_joints to num_joints
[20:47:36] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/puma/puma_sim_6.hal: change motmod insmod parameter from max_joints to num_joints
[20:47:42] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/ppmc/ppmc_load.hal: change motmod insmod parameter from max_joints to num_joints
[20:47:45] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/scara/scara_sim_4.hal: change motmod insmod parameter from max_joints to num_joints
[20:47:47] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/sim/servo_sim.hal: change motmod insmod parameter from max_joints to num_joints
[20:47:50] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/stepper-xyza/stepper_xyza.hal: change motmod insmod parameter from max_joints to num_joints
[20:47:55] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/univpwm/univpwm_load.hal: change motmod insmod parameter from max_joints to num_joints
[20:47:59] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/univstep/univstep_load.hal: change motmod insmod parameter from max_joints to num_joints
[20:48:31] <jmkasunich> I think its finished now... sorry
[20:48:39] <anonimasu> np
[20:53:27] <ohiopctechDOTcom> wow, you've been a busy man
[20:53:49] <jmkasunich> the config changes were a bash+sed script
[20:53:55] <ohiopctechDOTcom> ah
[20:53:59] <jmkasunich> the others are a bit more complex, but not too much
[20:56:10] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i'm running a neat program on the mini mill right now.. it's cutting some lexan... when it's done i'll cut it in half bolt it together with some 6-32 shcs' and inlay a 1/2" pc of alum round stock... and uhhh.. stuff will flow through the cutout lettering..
[20:56:57] <ohiopctechDOTcom> water/smoke/oil... whatever...
[20:57:12] <Jymmmmmmm> Alien Blood!!!
[20:57:17] <ohiopctechDOTcom> YEAH!
[20:57:34] <ohiopctechDOTcom> lol, is that what they are callin chronic smoke nowdays?
[20:57:47] <Jymmmmmmm> * Jymmmmmmm gets ti hit HF today to get a OBII reader *sigh*
[20:58:08] <ohiopctechDOTcom> * ohiopctechDOTcom is mad at HF for selling lathes that don't spin
[20:58:42] <Jymmmmmmm> Well, I can't beat $40 for the reader
[20:59:00] <ohiopctechDOTcom> no.. you know there is some computer software you can hook it up to a serial port..
[20:59:06] <ohiopctechDOTcom> it's been a while since i was looking for it
[20:59:15] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i never did buy it tho
[20:59:23] <Jymmmmmmm> I need to make sure replacing the sensor on my car two weeks ago reset the troubecode and not just turned off the "check engine" light
[20:59:49] <ohiopctechDOTcom> you can even tweak air/fuel mixtures n stuff, runs on the obII protocol with your cars puter
[21:00:04] <Jymmmmmmm> http://www.scantool.net/products/product_info.php?cPath=8_6&products_id=21
[21:00:05] <ohiopctechDOTcom> tweak shift points n such*
[21:00:33] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i jsut take the dash plastic cover off and put electrical tape on the light ;) fixes EVERYTHING!
[21:00:47] <Jymmmmmmm> Nope, will fail smog
[21:01:05] <ohiopctechDOTcom> lol.. they just got rid of our smog (e-check) thing
[21:01:26] <Jymmmmmmm> well, not here. and I have that due in November
[21:01:32] <ohiopctechDOTcom> there is like 5 huge buildings with dnyo's in them dying to be used just sitting empty around dayton now
[21:01:52] <ohiopctechDOTcom> dyno's*
[21:05:59] <ohiopctechDOTcom> http://pastebin.ca/472851 <- this g-code file has something in it that is making emc2 and/or axis choke and screw up my cut... acn someone take a look at it? everything shows up fine in the backplot in axis.. i'm baffled
[21:06:51] <ohiopctechDOTcom> when it gets to roughing out the "L" pocket.... it stops for a few seconds then starts off again cutting in the wrong spot
[21:08:00] <SWPadnos> what line (or N-number)?
[21:08:46] <SWPadnos> you can find it in axis by clicking on the bad line in the plot - it'll hilight the source G-code line
[21:08:49] <ohiopctechDOTcom> lemme see if i can figure out which... 1 sec
[21:09:39] <ohiopctechDOTcom> approx. line 147 maybe a lil berofe or after
[21:09:43] <ohiopctechDOTcom> before*
[21:10:23] <ohiopctechDOTcom> 147 as axis reads the code
[21:10:33] <ohiopctechDOTcom> not sure if it's the same as a real line #
[21:10:46] <SWPadnos> axis only reads the code when it's generating the preview plot
[21:10:52] <SWPadnos> (for the most part)
[21:11:11] <ohiopctechDOTcom> ah ok..
[21:11:27] <ohiopctechDOTcom> so it would be the step generator thingy (component)
[21:11:37] <ohiopctechDOTcom> something is just confusing it maybe
[21:11:39] <SWPadnos> when the part is running, you should look at which segment is being done during the pause, then click on it in the preview and tell me the line number
[21:11:48] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i checked my ballscrews and they are clear of chips
[21:11:54] <ohiopctechDOTcom> did it twice in the same spot
[21:12:10] <ohiopctechDOTcom> it's like 15 mins into the prog
[21:12:20] <ohiopctechDOTcom> if i'm running it at 7ipm
[21:12:48] <ohiopctechDOTcom> it turned the first one into an upside down f instead of a L
[21:15:14] <ohiopctechDOTcom> * ohiopctechDOTcom i'm running it cutting air now
[21:20:32] <ohiopctechDOTcom> ok, when it gets to line 147... it starts acting funky
[21:20:43] <ohiopctechDOTcom> and it never cuts the "L" right
[21:20:59] <ohiopctechDOTcom> then continues to cut in the wrong place
[21:21:08] <ohiopctechDOTcom> for the whole rest of the program
[21:21:33] <ohiopctechDOTcom> first time i had any probs like this...
[21:22:00] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i just turned the machine on before i saved that prog to it and loaded up emc
[21:22:12] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i didn't do anything else with the machine...
[21:22:12] <SWPadnos> that's the line "N394X6.4582"
[21:22:27] <SWPadnos> ?
[21:22:33] <ohiopctechDOTcom> yeah
[21:22:49] <ohiopctechDOTcom> it cuts part of that line.. then goes on to the next...
[21:22:54] <ohiopctechDOTcom> step*
[21:23:50] <ohiopctechDOTcom> it actually makes the vertical line in the l... go the wrong direction
[21:24:09] <SWPadnos> it's moving 0.42 units at F10, so that should take about 3 seconds
[21:27:24] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i'm baffled... guess i'll just try to redo the pockets in a different order and try again
[21:27:33] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i'll put the L first
[21:28:12] <ohiopctechDOTcom> axis does the right steps on screen... but they don't make it through to the machine that way
[21:28:52] <ohiopctechDOTcom> it even screwed up exactly the same way...
[21:29:01] <ohiopctechDOTcom> on two pcs. of lexan
[21:29:11] <ohiopctechDOTcom> (i laid one on top of the other)
[21:30:39] <ohiopctechDOTcom> maybe there is a black hole on my table at those co-ordinates
[21:30:50] <ohiopctechDOTcom> A BLACK HOLE!
[21:30:54] <ohiopctechDOTcom> OH NO!
[21:33:19] <ohiopctechDOTcom> * ohiopctechDOTcom weeps for the wasted lexan bit
[21:58:37] <anonimasu> ohiopctechDOTcom: nice steal me a dyno
[22:52:27] <ohiopctechDOTcom> * ohiopctechDOTcom hasredone each letter as a pocket
[22:53:11] <ohiopctechDOTcom> ... going to tryand run that same geometry with a different program... and i spelled the name right this time so...
[23:28:20] <gene> Back, with that probe hooked up and working according to the hal meter, looking at the parport pin 10 I put it on. Time to go get the book I printed a new copy of a couple days ago, and hook this puppy up to g38.2!
[23:32:46] <ohiopctechDOTcom> that's awesome gene
[23:34:53] <gene> The only concern is that those interrupters are pretty low gain, I had to bang the led with a 200 ohm resistor, or about 19ma, to get a logic zero out of it with a 4220 ohm pullup on pin 10.
[23:35:17] <ohiopctechDOTcom> * ohiopctechDOTcom hangs head in embarrasment..(over the code problem, or thought it was) the whole problem was a scre fell into my x-slide and was snagging it right there...
[23:35:23] <ohiopctechDOTcom> * ohiopctechDOTcom says sorry emc2
[23:37:00] <ohiopctechDOTcom> so what kind of probe did you build?
[23:37:56] <cradek> gene: I fixed a few bugs with probing recently - you might want to update your cvs checkout if you're using trunk
[23:38:08] <gene> Deans littel optical thing from hobby brass tubeing
[23:38:17] <ohiopctechDOTcom> ahh
[23:39:23] <gene> No Chris, 2.1.4
[23:39:23] <ohiopctechDOTcom> i was reading that in the mailing list i think it was.. about the probes
[23:39:23] <cradek> gene: ok
[23:39:50] <gene> yeah, its not too bad, about a thou & a half for ambiguity, but with all the friggin backlash in a mivromill, even if I have replace the z axis screw, thats pretty good I think.
[23:43:11] <gene> Humm, the hal hookup for something like this isn't exactly jumping off the pages at me, can someone throw me a bone?
[23:43:39] <cradek> motion.probesomething
[23:43:56] <cradek> halcmd show pin '*probe*'
[23:47:29] <gene> that comes back empty becuase there issn't anything saved yet I assume.
[23:49:40] <cradek> chris@emc:~$ halcmd show pin '*probe*'
[23:49:40] <cradek> Component Pins:
[23:49:40] <cradek> Owner Type Dir Value Name
[23:49:40] <cradek> 5 bit IN FALSE motion.probe-input <== probe
[23:49:54] <cradek> was emc not running?
[23:50:05] <cradek> you should have seen this (but without a signal hooked to it probably)
[23:50:24] <gene> I'd stopped emc, was that wrong?
[23:50:32] <cradek> yes
[23:50:48] <gene> ok, I need another shell then I guess.
[23:50:52] <cradek> that's how you use halcmd to query the running HAL
[23:51:16] <cradek> brb
[23:54:21] <gene> I see, and with emc running, it says FALSE, and no pin number
[23:55:14] <gene> major problem, misslaid the coffee cup, brb
[23:57:09] <gene> back
[23:57:20] <gene> with cold coffee :(