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[00:00:12] <Gamma-X2> ok
[00:00:40] <eric__1> anyone here ever buy new brushless servos? I'm buying some for work, and I want cheap ones
[00:00:52] <eric__1> baldor seems to be cheapest
[00:01:08] <Gamma-X2> anyone using a vfd?
[00:01:10] <cradek> Gamma-X2: I guess those weldon holders won't be here until tomorrow. I will let you know then. I expect that they will still be QC.
[00:01:35] <eric__1> cradek: you got them from enco?
[00:01:47] <Gamma-X2> id appreciate it cradek, price sounds good!. i plan on stealing most of my bits from work. i work in a power plant...
[00:01:59] <eric__1> tmi :)
[00:02:07] <cradek> eric__1: yes, I got one a while back and it's very well made and QC compatible
[00:02:09] <Gamma-X2> borrow*
[00:02:11] <cradek> they say 'made in poland'
[00:02:20] <cradek> I hope they are still the same. you never know.
[00:02:32] <cradek> you cannot beat the price. even old used holders go for that much.
[00:02:46] <eric__1> were they polished surface or black?
[00:03:01] <eric__1> because people turn down the flange all the time from what I hear
[00:03:08] <cradek> they are black except the flange is ground on both sides
[00:03:19] <cradek> they are clearly made for QC standard
[00:03:26] <cradek> yes I have ground some myself. it's a pain.
[00:03:47] <cradek> I think I even found QC stamped on it as part of one of the numbers
[00:03:56] <eric__1> most of the tools with flanges will fit erikson
[00:04:07] <cradek> that is not at all true
[00:04:19] <eric__1> I haven't seen many
[00:04:25] <cradek> erickson QC tools will fit NMTB machines with a drawbar
[00:04:30] <cradek> the converse is NOT true
[00:04:57] <eric__1> I guess your definition of flange may be different than mine
[00:05:06] <Gamma-X2> http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3039644
[00:05:08] <cradek> flange = the part the QC nut clamps
[00:05:35] <Gamma-X2> can u guys look at the and look down 4/5 of the way and tell me what kind of bit he is using to cut a radius on the stack?
[00:06:10] <cradek> http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n116/timkehoe/VW/Howitisdone.jpg
[00:06:13] <cradek> do you mean this?
[00:06:25] <Gamma-X2> haha. yes... sorry im an idiot
[00:06:38] <Gamma-X2> but im listenin to the top gun theme song! woot
[00:07:50] <eric__1> see ya'll
[00:07:51] <cradek> not sure what you call that.
[00:07:58] <Gamma-X2> eric__1 u got any intake on that?
[00:08:00] <eric__1> chamfering tool
[00:08:07] <Gamma-X2> nice lol i love u eric__1
[00:08:10] <Gamma-X2> I love you.
[00:09:38] <Gamma-X2> cradek, ever see one used?
[00:10:08] <cradek> sure, in this photo
[00:10:39] <Gamma-X2> lol
[00:11:33] <cradek> that's a big one. I've seen smaller
[00:12:54] <Gamma-X2> cradek what are good finishing tools?
[00:13:01] <Gamma-X2> bits/
[00:13:20] <cradek> 4-5-6 flute
[00:14:23] <Gamma-X2> end mills?
[00:14:37] <cradek> yes but I'm sure it depends what you're doing
[00:14:50] <cradek> have you ever run a mill before?
[00:14:54] <Gamma-X2> hahahha
[00:15:01] <Gamma-X2> no... i jsut bought my cnc machine...
[00:15:13] <cradek> anyone around to help you play with it at first?
[00:15:22] <Gamma-X2> helll no
[00:15:24] <cradek> it really helps to watch someone run it at first
[00:15:30] <Gamma-X2> i here ya
[00:15:35] <Gamma-X2> maby my friend sai,
[00:15:41] <cradek> hey I know what will help you
[00:15:48] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek/
[00:16:03] <cradek> grab those ipm and sfm graphs and stick them on the wall by your mill
[00:16:22] <cradek> that's the most important part of getting a decent cut and not breaking anything
[00:16:42] <Gamma-X2> ok
[00:17:38] <cradek> put the sfm on the left. you will always use it first
[00:18:42] <Gamma-X2> damn those are crazy lol
[00:18:48] <cradek> if you do exotic stuff you'll have to find sfm (surface speed) specs for your tooling and material
[00:18:53] <Gamma-X2> i want to have them printed proffesionalyly lol
[00:19:10] <cradek> but if you're cutting aluminum or steel with HSS, you can remember 100-150 sfm for steel and 200-300 for aluminum
[00:19:22] <Gamma-X2> mos tof my stuff will be alum
[00:19:31] <Gamma-X2> what is hss? the bit I stole has it on there
[00:19:39] <cradek> high speed steel
[00:19:51] <cradek> perfectly good for cutting aluminum
[00:19:55] <cradek> what diameter is it?
[00:20:04] <Gamma-X2> the tool 3/4
[00:20:24] <cradek> ok, good example. look at the sfm plot and find the diameter
[00:20:45] <cradek> then follow it to 200sfm. what spindle rpm should you set your machine for?
[00:21:04] <Gamma-X2> one sec
[00:21:26] <Gamma-X2> 1000
[00:21:35] <cradek> ok great
[00:21:41] <cradek> how many flutes is the cutter?
[00:22:05] <Gamma-X2> 4
[00:22:14] <cradek> ok now look at the ipm plot
[00:22:26] <Gamma-X2> 4 inches per minute
[00:22:30] <Gamma-X2> that is slow as hell
[00:22:41] <cradek> that's if you want .001 per tooth.
[00:22:47] <cradek> that is a very light cut for a 3/4 inch tool
[00:23:01] <Gamma-X2> when u say per tooth what does that reffer to?
[00:23:31] <cradek> as each tooth spins into the work, it peels off a chip. the thickness of that chip is inches per tooth
[00:23:55] <Gamma-X2> oh wow
[00:24:09] <Gamma-X2> whats a good finish cut?
[00:24:13] <Gamma-X2> tooth whyse
[00:24:22] <cradek> you can easily cut .004 or .005 per tooth if you have coolant
[00:24:43] <cradek> a finish cut will be less than that, maybe .002, you will have to experiment
[00:24:59] <cradek> say you want .004 inches/tooth. what IPM is it?
[00:24:59] <Gamma-X2> i got coolant.
[00:25:03] <cradek> ok good
[00:25:22] <Gamma-X2> 4
[00:25:28] <cradek> nope
[00:25:32] <Gamma-X2> hold on
[00:25:37] <cradek> remember 4 teeth
[00:26:00] <Gamma-X2> so x by 4?
[00:26:05] <Gamma-X2> 16
[00:26:06] <cradek> yes RPM x teeth
[00:26:17] <cradek> right, looks like 16
[00:26:21] <Gamma-X2> teeth = flute?
[00:26:24] <cradek> yes
[00:26:29] <Gamma-X2> ahhhh
[00:26:42] <Gamma-X2> very nice and that graph is for finishing purposes only?
[00:26:45] <cradek> 16 is moving pretty good, that would be a nice cut and would require coolant
[00:26:54] <cradek> the graphs are for all kinds of milling
[00:27:25] <Gamma-X2> well im gunna be making pockets for orings so i know ill need some small finishing bits.
[00:27:30] <Gamma-X2> any recomendations
[00:27:38] <cradek> yeah, experiment :-)
[00:27:43] <Gamma-X2> that website i sent u is what im going to be making those flanges.
[00:27:49] <cradek> that will be a MUCH smaller tool right?
[00:27:56] <Gamma-X2> yes! lol
[00:28:16] <cradek> ok that's interesting. say you have a 1/8 tool. look what happens to the RPM
[00:28:17] <Gamma-X2> a big oring but the diameter of the rubber is small
[00:28:50] <cradek> if you still want 200 surface feet/minute, what RPM do you use with the 1/8 tool?
[00:29:20] <Gamma-X2> 6,000
[00:29:23] <cradek> yep
[00:29:25] <Gamma-X2> my machine wont go that fast lol
[00:29:29] <dmess> ((200*12)/(.125*3.1415))
[00:29:31] <cradek> no it won't!
[00:29:37] <Gamma-X2> lol
[00:29:56] <cradek> but that says you should turn it up as fast as it will go.
[00:30:01] <cradek> probably more like 3500.
[00:30:07] <Gamma-X2> i think uhh hold on
[00:30:38] <Gamma-X2> 4200 rpm
[00:30:50] <cradek> that's screamin' for a bridgeport
[00:30:58] <Gamma-X2> supermax baby! wooo
[00:31:26] <cradek> well be careful... experiment but be safe
[00:31:30] <Gamma-X2> ok
[00:32:48] <Gamma-X2> im assuming 4200 on a 1/8 end mill bit i can fly through the piece at like 50 ipm
[00:33:05] <cradek> check the graph to be sure
[00:33:19] <Gamma-X2> prolly like 70
[00:33:23] <cradek> a small mill needs a lighter cut. maybe .001/tooth
[00:33:24] <Gamma-X2> on a 5 tooth
[00:33:32] <Gamma-X2> u got a mill for that? lol
[00:33:48] <cradek> a ball mill is almost always 4 flute I think
[00:33:56] <Gamma-X2> well then 20 ipm for a .001 on full throttle
[00:34:12] <cradek> heh the graph doesn't go that high
[00:34:45] <cradek> but yeah something like that. you can't cut very deep with a 1/8 tool. and you need coolant of course
[00:34:48] <Gamma-X2> ohhh it would be 4
[00:34:54] <Gamma-X2> i didnt see teeth x w/e
[00:35:20] <cradek> it would be 16 actually
[00:35:21] <Gamma-X2> rpm x teeth
[00:35:23] <cradek> 4 teeth, 4000 rpm
[00:35:31] <cradek> but the graph doesn't go to 16000
[00:35:50] <Gamma-X2> ok
[00:35:52] <cradek> so 16ipm
[00:36:00] <Gamma-X2> whats the math equation for this.
[00:36:31] <cradek> (sfm * 12) / (diameter * pi)
[00:36:40] <cradek> 12 is just because of inches/foot
[00:36:47] <cradek> 12/pi = about 4
[00:36:53] <cradek> so you can remember sfm*4 / diameter
[00:37:45] <dmess> you got that jack..
[00:37:56] <Gamma-X2> im tryin to understand once i do it will be in my head forever
[00:38:01] <dmess> i mean Cradek
[00:38:02] <Gamma-X2> and ill always know that u tought me lol
[00:38:38] <Gamma-X2> diameter of tool
[00:38:55] <Gamma-X2> but when does teeth come into play
[00:40:31] <cradek> whee my enco order came
[00:40:41] <cradek> the weldon holders say QC right on them still
[00:40:57] <Gamma-X2> nice!
[00:40:58] <cradek> if you need any, get them right away, they're a great price for QC
[00:41:02] <Gamma-X2> they look solid?
[00:41:04] <Gamma-X2> what did u get
[00:41:11] <cradek> yeah they're good
[00:41:13] <Gamma-X2> cradek send me a link please
[00:41:17] <cradek> looking
[00:42:05] <Gamma-X2> thanks,. did u make those pcb's on ur site?
[00:42:10] <cradek> yes
[00:42:49] <cradek> http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INPDFF?PMPAGE=341&PARTPG=INLMK32
[00:42:59] <Gamma-X2> cradek what were u makin
[00:43:04] <cradek> the upper right ones
[00:43:11] <cradek> "NST taper end mill holders & sets"
[00:43:24] <cradek> $26-34
[00:44:26] <Gamma-X2> thats only 3/16 though
[00:44:28] <Gamma-X2> thats small
[00:44:35] <cradek> all sizes up to 1"
[00:44:54] <Gamma-X2> oops i was lookin on the right of that box
[00:45:12] <cradek> any of the ones that say 30 taper in that table
[00:45:25] <cradek> they are QC even though it doesn't say so
[00:45:39] <Gamma-X2> will they fit my erickson quick change?
[00:45:42] <cradek> yes
[00:46:19] <Gamma-X2> which one should I get to get collets?
[00:46:29] <Gamma-X2> does enco have bits on sale?
[00:46:38] <cradek> probably none of these collet chucks will work
[00:46:56] <cradek> these holders work MUCH better than collets
[00:47:23] <cradek> they let you set the tool length, so you can change tools without messing with depths
[00:47:35] <cradek> collets are no good for daily work
[00:47:50] <Gamma-X2> cradek that not what eric was sayin
[00:48:02] <cradek> then one of us is wrong :-)
[00:48:51] <Gamma-X2> do u do this on a daily basis?
[00:49:06] <cradek> no not for a living
[00:49:39] <cradek> I'm no machinist but I play one on TV
[00:49:48] <Gamma-X2> y not lol
[00:49:57] <cradek> dmess does it for a living
[00:50:03] <cradek> dmess: weldon holders or collets?
[00:50:16] <cradek> (I already know the answer)
[00:50:52] <Gamma-X2> ...
[00:55:13] <cradek> well he'll be back :-)
[00:55:16] <Gamma-X2> lol
[00:55:21] <Gamma-X2> what was that pcb for?
[00:55:41] <cradek> stepper driver? I think the text says
[00:55:51] <cradek> not sure which one you're looking at
[00:57:39] <Gamma-X2> ok
[00:57:51] <Gamma-X2> u dont use mastercam do u?
[00:57:58] <Gamma-X2> i forget
[00:58:40] <cradek> no I'm way too poor
[00:58:59] <Gamma-X2> cradek. can I pm u?
[00:59:11] <cradek> sure
[00:59:24] <cradek> you don't have to ask, if you are registered you can PM anyone
[01:01:24] <Gamma-X2> i can bore with a end mill ruight?
[01:02:29] <cradek> some end mills are center cutting, some aren't
[01:02:35] <cradek> center cutting can 'drill' straight down
[01:02:40] <Gamma-X2> how do u know\
[01:02:49] <ds2> look at it
[01:02:56] <SWPadnos> because when you buy them, you select "center cutting" ones :)
[01:03:00] <cradek> yeah, or check when you buy it
[01:03:04] <ds2> the cutting edge goes all the way to the center on center cutting ones
[01:03:08] <cradek> they will always say
[01:03:16] <SWPadnos> also, you can see that the flutes "overlap" in the center, rather than having a gap in the middle
[01:03:42] <ds2> you can plunge (drill down) with a non centering EM as long as your cut is no deeper then the center hole ;)
[01:04:13] <SWPadnos> and, closer to boring, would be to do a helical move instead
[01:04:32] <cradek> even with end cutting mills, helical entries are nice
[01:05:30] <SWPadnos> yeah, there are cutting speed issues with using the center and edge
[01:06:05] <ds2> like the cutting speed at the center is close to 0 SFPM? ;)
[01:06:46] <SWPadnos> I have a friend who was working in a manufacturing plant some years ago, and he sped up a drilling operation by a factor of 2-3x by making a small pilot hole with a high spindle speed, then drilling the finish size at low (but appropriate) RPM
[01:06:50] <SWPadnos> heh - yeah, like that :)
[01:09:29] <mbaulfinger> Hi Everyone
[01:09:41] <Gamma-X2> ok
[01:10:10] <Gamma-X2> I need a vise :( anyone got one for sale!??
[01:14:43] <Gamma-X2> or know of a good cheap one?
[01:15:51] <cradek> the $80 enco is ok if you flycut it flat
[01:16:26] <Gamma-X2> its not flat? lol
[01:18:03] <cradek> mine wasn't very
[01:18:10] <cradek> price was right though
[01:18:45] <Gamma-X2> got a model number or link?
[01:19:50] <cradek> it's just the 6" non-rotating milling vise
[01:24:32] <Gamma-X2> what wouldt u need the rotating one for?
[01:29:23] <cradek> non-cnc work
[01:29:34] <cradek> some people can only cut square to the table :-)
[01:30:26] <Gamma-X2> ok, heres another, how do u properly align a piece of stock when setting it up to machine a part
[01:31:49] <cradek> well one important step is to square the vise to the table
[01:32:05] <cradek> then you get that alignment for 'free' every time you put your work in it
[01:32:46] <cradek> as for the rest - I suppose there are 1000 tricks
[01:34:24] <cradek> albrecht chuck + straight arbor + bandsaw + grinder + weldon holder = QC30 drill chuck
[01:37:52] <ds2> wonder if there are controls out there that will also allow rotating G54
[01:38:22] <ds2> electronic edge find 2 points on an edge and use that as one of the axis
[01:38:49] <cradek> sure there are
[01:40:01] <ds2> no more mill alignment with those ;)
[01:42:05] <BigJohnT> anyone use M66?
[01:43:44] <cradek> is that the new analog in?
[01:45:15] <BigJohnT> im using the digital in
[01:45:24] <BigJohnT> but i have problems with it
[01:45:25] <eric_U> heh, my wife made the mistake of asking why I made a heart-shaped box
[01:45:32] <cradek> I saw your bug reports
[01:45:48] <cradek> maybe alex will look into it soon, he's asleep now
[01:46:13] <BigJohnT> cool
[01:46:37] <cradek> earlier in the day he's around and you could bother him about it
[01:46:57] <BigJohnT> it's kinda funny that i could see the input and the motion change states but the m66 just wizzed by
[01:47:19] <cradek> yeah it's new and not well tested yet
[01:47:27] <cradek> your help testing it is important to us
[01:47:37] <BigJohnT> when i tested it with pyVCP it worked except it latched the input
[01:47:45] <BigJohnT> glad I can help
[01:47:53] <cradek> you get a different result depending on where your input comes from?
[01:47:57] <BigJohnT> it is just what i need for my plasma table
[01:47:59] <BigJohnT> yes
[01:48:17] <BigJohnT> it ignores the actual parport input
[01:48:19] <cradek> then I suspect you're doing something wrong... heh
[01:48:26] <BigJohnT> not!
[01:48:34] <BigJohnT> i checked it thrice
[01:48:56] <BigJohnT> i can see every thing toggle in the watch window
[01:49:02] <BigJohnT> as it should
[01:49:06] <cradek> ok
[01:49:56] <BigJohnT> it's really a neat function
[01:50:47] <BigJohnT> what part of the world is alex in?
[01:50:52] <cradek> europe
[01:51:19] <BigJohnT> ok
[01:51:43] <BigJohnT> so what else is going on today
[01:52:05] <cradek> we argued about collets
[01:52:09] <cradek> talked about surface speed
[01:52:14] <skunkworks> I started the first tape of a 400gb restore job..
[01:52:14] <cradek> lots of stuff I guess
[01:52:20] <BigJohnT> cool
[01:52:24] <BigJohnT> what kind of collets
[01:52:30] <skunkworks> seems to be doing about 500mb/min
[01:52:32] <cradek> ER
[01:52:49] <cradek> I guess someone suggested that collets are better than weldon tool holders for cnc (??)
[01:52:54] <cradek> it caused some discord
[01:53:09] <cradek> I think I missed the beginning though
[01:53:23] <skunkworks> eh - we use both. prefer collets though.
[01:53:29] <BigJohnT> i agree to a point that collets are better unless your weldon tool holders are in good shape
[01:53:53] <BigJohnT> I use quick switch 200 collets and weldon tool holders
[01:59:58] <BigJohnT> any how the plasma cutter is comming along nice made a few parts today
[02:00:13] <cradek> cool.
[02:00:59] <BigJohnT> yea, got my limit switch hardware designed too today
[02:06:27] <Gamma-X2> hey BigJohnT how ya doin
[02:06:43] <BigJohnT> hey gamma doing fine
[02:06:50] <BigJohnT> trying to get M66 to work for me
[02:07:05] <Gamma-X2> i dont even know what that is! lol
[02:07:18] <BigJohnT> I didn't either yesterday
[02:07:26] <Gamma-X2> hahaha.
[02:07:34] <Gamma-X2> i jsut payed for the shipment of my cnc
[02:07:48] <BigJohnT> what cnc?
[02:07:56] <BigJohnT> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Plasma%20Cutter/yslideassb.jpg
[02:07:59] <Gamma-X2> its comin saturday yay! but i hope it's under 83 inches.
[02:08:05] <Gamma-X2> supermax ycm-18
[02:08:20] <cradek> uh you should have checked the height...
[02:08:22] <BigJohnT> UPS limits
[02:08:30] <Gamma-X2> ups?
[02:08:43] <BigJohnT> 83 inches tall?
[02:08:49] <Gamma-X2> my garage lol
[02:08:55] <Gamma-X2> im shippin freight
[02:08:56] <BigJohnT> ok LOL
[02:09:26] <Gamma-X2> ill have to take the whole head off and reposition it that would suck!
[02:09:37] <BigJohnT> does it have the anilam controls on it
[02:09:42] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT u were helpin me with the encoders and such correct?
[02:09:50] <BigJohnT> yes
[02:09:58] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT yeah. what do u think about them?
[02:10:18] <BigJohnT> I love mine but it's a 1100m not the crusader
[02:10:30] <BigJohnT> don't know anything about the crusader
[02:10:30] <Gamma-X2> u got a ycm-18??
[02:10:48] <BigJohnT> no it's a bridgeport conversion
[02:10:58] <Gamma-X2> ahhhh
[02:10:58] <Gamma-X2> ok
[02:11:06] <BigJohnT> all the knee mills are conversions that use anilam controls
[02:11:20] <BigJohnT> so does the anilam work on yours
[02:11:20] <Gamma-X2> ok
[02:11:32] <Gamma-X2> what do u mean?
[02:11:39] <BigJohnT> does the cnc part work
[02:11:44] <Gamma-X2> haha yeah
[02:11:49] <Gamma-X2> its a fully functional workin cnc
[02:11:53] <BigJohnT> cool!
[02:11:55] <Gamma-X2> paid 2,000 bucks
[02:12:02] <Gamma-X2> but the crusader is so outdated
[02:12:09] <BigJohnT> ok I think I'm looking at the ad
[02:12:10] <Gamma-X2> i just paid 575 to ship it
[02:12:16] <Gamma-X2> massachusets
[02:12:22] <BigJohnT> wesernmass.craigslist
[02:12:24] <Gamma-X2> yup
[02:12:43] <BigJohnT> doesn't matter about the age on anilam
[02:12:48] <BigJohnT> they support it
[02:12:51] <Gamma-X2> what are ur thoughts on that abd boy? only problem is a crack in the oil can.
[02:12:56] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT what do u mean?
[02:13:27] <BigJohnT> i mean the tech support is fantasitc and they have parts
[02:13:34] <Gamma-X2> oh sweet
[02:13:46] <Gamma-X2> im hopefully gettin rid of the crusader though
[02:13:52] <Gamma-X2> it only accepts 999 lines of code.
[02:13:57] <BigJohnT> you call them up and before you can complete the sentance they know what you need
[02:14:18] <BigJohnT> must be older than my 1100M
[02:14:21] <Gamma-X2> unless i can get mastercam to drip feed the info
[02:14:26] <cradek> 999 seems like a lot...
[02:14:34] <BigJohnT> not really
[02:14:47] <BigJohnT> i have 3000 lines in a flash
[02:15:08] <cradek> unless you're doing contouring that's a lot
[02:15:38] <BigJohnT> just profiling some parts can generate a lot of lines
[02:15:49] <Gamma-X2> i plan on doin alot with my cnc
[02:15:51] <BigJohnT> if you have to step the depth
[02:16:04] <Gamma-X2> I want to create and sell tool setters and digitizers
[02:16:06] <BigJohnT> you can spend 28 hours a day watching one run
[02:16:15] <BigJohnT> sweet
[02:16:25] <cradek> Gamma-X2: let us know!
[02:16:26] <Gamma-X2> "PLAN" lol
[02:16:39] <Gamma-X2> cradek me and anonimasu are supposed to get some stuff goin
[02:16:46] <Gamma-X2> but maby it can be a community project
[02:16:48] <BigJohnT> what spindle does it have
[02:17:15] <Gamma-X2> er
[02:17:19] <Gamma-X2> quick change
[02:17:26] <Gamma-X2> my machine
[02:17:26] <BigJohnT> qc200
[02:17:31] <BigJohnT> yea
[02:17:34] <Gamma-X2> i think i have qc 30
[02:17:50] <BigJohnT> ok they look similar but are different
[02:17:53] <cradek> Gamma-X2: what tooling is coming with it?
[02:17:54] <Gamma-X2> i can make differant adapters that can thread in.
[02:18:19] <BigJohnT> flea bay is a good source for tooling
[02:18:34] <Gamma-X2> i want to say threaded rod to fit ur spindle, and the digitizer with cable.
[02:18:35] <cradek> BigJohnT: yes and no. people misdescribe QC about half the time
[02:18:48] <BigJohnT> qc30 has a flange and qc200 has ears
[02:18:52] <cradek> right
[02:18:56] <eric_U> is there a link for this machine?
[02:19:01] <cradek> but nmtb30 looks almost like qc30
[02:19:03] <Gamma-X2> all i know is that i have the er quick change lol
[02:19:10] <BigJohnT> http://westernmass.craigslist.org/tls/476706027.html
[02:19:20] <eric_U> thanks
[02:19:49] <BigJohnT> I can't tell from looking but if the spindle has qc200 on the nut it's qc200!
[02:19:59] <BigJohnT> don't buy the wrong tools
[02:20:06] <Gamma-X2> i wont
[02:20:09] <Gamma-X2> it comes with some
[02:20:20] <BigJohnT> if it is qc 200 do NOT get any double angle collets
[02:20:31] <eric_U> it doesn't have a nut, I can see that from the pics
[02:20:33] <cradek> are you sure it's erickson qc?
[02:20:46] <cradek> yeah I don't see the nut either
[02:20:51] <BigJohnT> only use er75 collets
[02:20:56] <eric_U> could be nmtb30
[02:21:00] <cradek> yeah
[02:21:04] <eric_U> hard to tell though
[02:21:07] <Gamma-X2> it has quick change
[02:21:08] <cradek> you can see the keys sticking down
[02:21:13] <eric_U> you can see the studs sticking down
[02:21:14] <BigJohnT> it's got a drawbar
[02:21:27] <Gamma-X2> i know it has quick change
[02:21:30] <Gamma-X2> 2 buttons on it
[02:21:35] <cradek> buttons?
[02:21:37] <cradek> that's not QC
[02:21:44] <BigJohnT> power draw bar
[02:21:48] <cradek> QC is a nut on the bottom of the spindle that you tighten with 1/4 turn
[02:21:48] <Gamma-X2> oh.. yeah lol
[02:21:51] <Gamma-X2> im an idiot
[02:22:04] <BigJohnT> not really you just don't know
[02:22:08] <Gamma-X2> all u do is put it in push a button it sucks it up thats it
[02:22:09] <cradek> that's dirt simple to find tooling for then
[02:22:12] <Gamma-X2> push button and pull it out
[02:22:31] <eric_U> does it sound like it un-threads?
[02:22:31] <cradek> nmtb30 is everywhere (including china which is what counts)
[02:22:49] <eric_U> or does it just pop out?
[02:23:01] <Gamma-X2> pop out
[02:23:06] <cradek> too bad there's not a picture of a holder
[02:23:06] <BigJohnT> sounds like a power draw bar
[02:23:07] <Gamma-X2> he said it sounds like an air hammer hittin it up
[02:23:24] <cradek> it could require a stud, or not
[02:23:25] <cradek> hard to say
[02:23:29] <cradek> hope it doesn't
[02:23:32] <BigJohnT> yea r8 power draw bar
[02:23:45] <eric_U> not r8, nmtb 30
[02:23:50] <Gamma-X2> correct
[02:23:52] <eric_U> much better
[02:23:56] <cradek> right much better
[02:24:09] <eric_U> Gamma-X2: you haven't seen it?
[02:24:22] <Gamma-X2> i have but i dont remember the collets exactly
[02:24:37] <Gamma-X2> i drove to massachusets and i got to see it at 11 pm lol
[02:24:49] <eric_U> I didn't know anything about mine until I had it for a while
[02:25:02] <eric_U> learned too much
[02:25:05] <Gamma-X2> lol
[02:25:06] <cradek> didn't bring it back with you? (haha)
[02:25:11] <Gamma-X2> hahahah
[02:25:17] <Gamma-X2> it ways more than my volkswagon does lol
[02:25:20] <eric_U> that's the fun part
[02:25:28] <Gamma-X2> 575 freight shipping
[02:25:30] <eric_U> I rented a truck and trailer
[02:25:37] <cradek> Gamma-X2: that's very cheap
[02:25:45] <cradek> have a way to get it off the truck?
[02:25:48] <Gamma-X2> 200 miles but have to drive through newyork city
[02:25:53] <Gamma-X2> lift gate
[02:26:02] <eric_U> that would have been a good time
[02:26:07] <BigJohnT> better have some help
[02:26:15] <cradek> lift gate? uh no
[02:26:21] <eric_U> I swear they were working on every road between here and philly when I got mine
[02:26:37] <Gamma-X2> cradek ?
[02:26:42] <cradek> this is probably 4000 lb
[02:26:57] <Gamma-X2> 3000 and liftgate holds 4500 pounds
[02:26:57] <BigJohnT> more like 1500 lbs
[02:27:07] <Gamma-X2> more like 2650 ladies
[02:27:08] <cradek> wow that's a lift gate
[02:27:10] <eric_U> 1500 don't sound right
[02:27:17] <BigJohnT> how you gonna get it off the lift gate
[02:27:18] <cradek> mine's 3300 and has a much smaller table
[02:27:39] <eric_U> next time I move mine, I'm renting a boom forklift
[02:27:55] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT pallet jack
[02:27:58] <eric_U> reach right into the basement and yank it out
[02:28:08] <BigJohnT> i have a 5000lb electric forklift so mine felt light
[02:28:25] <BigJohnT> how you gonna get it off the pallet?
[02:28:43] <eric_U> I have 2 pieces of black iron pipe, moves my 5500 lb mill like it's sliding on ice
[02:29:00] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT havnt figured that out yet lol
[02:29:25] <cradek> tap the holes in the foot, lift it with 3/4 bolts, cut up the pallet
[02:29:27] <eric_U> getting things like that off a pallet is not for the faint of heart
[02:29:29] <BigJohnT> ok, need to get to it do you have any overhead that will support the weight
[02:29:52] <Gamma-X2> cradek GOOD IDEA! lol
[02:29:59] <eric_U> that's not a bad idea cradek, as long as the bolts don't go through the floor
[02:29:59] <Gamma-X2> air wrench BRRRRRR
[02:30:13] <Gamma-X2> eric_U metal plates
[02:30:14] <cradek> you'd put feet under them with divots
[02:30:14] <BigJohnT> what ever you do go slow and think about each step them babies are top heavy!
[02:30:27] <Gamma-X2> i heard hahahha
[02:30:31] <Gamma-X2> i can see it in the paper
[02:30:32] <cradek> and don't put any part of you under it obviously
[02:30:42] <Gamma-X2> white male killed by stupidioty of dropping a cnc machine on himself.
[02:30:54] <eric_U> and don't try to catch it if it starts going over :O
[02:30:57] <BigJohnT> it only takes a micro second to have it fall over
[02:30:59] <cradek> ha
[02:31:04] <BigJohnT> ask me how i know
[02:31:08] <Gamma-X2> it cant be that top heavy
[02:31:12] <Gamma-X2> ill catch it ;)
[02:31:15] <cradek> did you drop one?
[02:31:23] <BigJohnT> a lathe once
[02:31:26] <eric_U> I tried to catch my robot as it was going over
[02:31:28] <Gamma-X2> that had to be a site to see
[02:31:34] <eric_U> it only weighs 800 lbs
[02:31:39] <SWPadnos> lathes are a lot less stable when you're moving them
[02:31:40] <BigJohnT> i got out of the way
[02:31:59] <BigJohnT> this is a 16 x 48 gear head lathe
[02:31:59] <eric_U> lathes on the way out of a shop always seem to fall over
[02:32:10] <BigJohnT> only broke three handwheels and no bones
[02:32:18] <SWPadnos> depending on where it's going, you can get a boom-style tow truck and lift it off the pallet that way
[02:32:30] <SWPadnos> we did that with a 2500 or 3000 pound lathe
[02:32:43] <cradek> (I was serious about the holes in the feet...)
[02:32:46] <eric_U> I was real paranoid with my lathe
[02:32:51] <Gamma-X2> i might have to modify my garage to get it iN! lol
[02:32:52] <SWPadnos> make sense
[02:32:54] <cradek> those can be used for permanent leveling
[02:33:01] <BigJohnT> think about the fact that you have a crank on the knee
[02:33:14] <SWPadnos> helps with center of gravity
[02:33:28] <Gamma-X2> anyone got an extra vise they can get rid of cheap? lol
[02:33:31] <BigJohnT> and if you block up the table and crank the knee down you should be able to remove the pallet
[02:33:32] <eric_U> good idea, crank it down, crank the table all the way back, lock it
[02:33:50] <SWPadnos> a non-local vise of any quality is by definition not cheap, once you include shipping
[02:33:59] <SWPadnos> mine weigh ~80 pounds
[02:34:02] <BigJohnT> where u located gamma
[02:34:23] <cradek> the enco one is $80 + $80 shipping
[02:34:39] <SWPadnos> and needs resurfacing ;)
[02:34:42] <eric_U> I got my vise on ebay for almost nothing, I think they were pissed about it because they put my mastercard number on the outside of the box
[02:34:48] <cradek> yeah but you've got a milling machine...
[02:34:50] <Gamma-X2> long island newyork!
[02:35:02] <SWPadnos> oh, I'm probably closest then
[02:35:06] <BigJohnT> too far
[02:35:15] <SWPadnos> I have an extra vise, but it weighs 80 pounds :)
[02:35:20] <BigJohnT> i'm in swamp east missorui
[02:35:26] <BigJohnT> missouri
[02:35:28] <Gamma-X2> SWPadnos where u live?
[02:35:34] <Gamma-X2> misoreee
[02:35:38] <SWPadnos> Essex Junction Vermont
[02:35:39] <Gamma-X2> miz oh ree
[02:35:44] <Gamma-X2> whos in philly?
[02:35:49] <BigJohnT> no it's nice here
[02:35:56] <SWPadnos> or, as you New Yawkers say "New England"
[02:35:58] <Gamma-X2> lol i drove to kansas from ny
[02:36:02] <Gamma-X2> all the way through
[02:36:11] <Gamma-X2> i say boston.
[02:36:22] <SWPadnos> boston is "the south" to us
[02:36:30] <BigJohnT> you mean you don't say baston
[02:36:33] <Gamma-X2> or as ur bostoners say we say it bawston
[02:36:36] <SWPadnos> not here
[02:36:44] <SWPadnos> baaston
[02:36:50] <BigJohnT> i use to live in nu awlins
[02:36:56] <Gamma-X2> hahaha
[02:37:07] <SWPadnos> it's Chowdaaa! Say it right or I'll kill you all!
[02:37:28] <Gamma-X2> hey newyork was where most of us all came from
[02:37:29] <BigJohnT> I kill u
[02:37:47] <cradek> am I the only one what talks rightly?
[02:38:00] <BigJohnT> quite rightly so I say
[02:38:01] <Gamma-X2> cradek where u from?
[02:38:08] <cradek> Lincoln NE
[02:38:09] <eric_U> I talk funny, northerner that grew up in the south
[02:38:25] <Gamma-X2> hicks in sticks
[02:38:31] <cradek> equally far from everywhere
[02:38:34] <eric_U> did you know larry the cable guy?
[02:38:45] <Gamma-X2> no
[02:39:01] <eric_U> I hear he's from Nebraska
[02:39:42] <Gamma-X2> hey BigJohnT can u send me a link of what upgrages as in encoders I should get. Im gettin a mesanet card.
[02:40:04] <BigJohnT> for the crusader?
[02:40:23] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT nah i plan on upgrading to emc if it will help.
[02:40:31] <Gamma-X2> 999 lines of code is nothing! lol
[02:40:59] <BigJohnT> well as I said my 1100m works fine so I've not looked into upgrading it.
[02:41:19] <BigJohnT> so far I've only done steppers with emc2
[02:41:28] <Gamma-X2> :(
[02:41:43] <Gamma-X2> do u think that machine will be fast or slow?
[02:41:50] <BigJohnT> i wouldn't kick the crusader in the balls until you run it a while
[02:42:21] <BigJohnT> you got 4200 rpm and 3 hp you should kick ass
[02:42:34] <eric_U> that's always a good idea, if it runs keep it that way
[02:42:38] <BigJohnT> my max is 3000 rpm and 1 1/2 hp
[02:42:54] <Gamma-X2> dont u think the servos will be slow as hell and the glass scales not that accurate?
[02:42:57] <Gamma-X2> its from 89
[02:43:05] <SWPadnos> the servos will probably be fine
[02:43:16] <SWPadnos> if they work right, that is
[02:43:28] <Gamma-X2> they do, the machine runs perfectly.
[02:43:31] <BigJohnT> i'll bet you can do +- 0.001 all day long if it ain't worn out mechanicaly
[02:43:42] <Gamma-X2> how would u test that?
[02:43:55] <SWPadnos> I have servos from an old Anilam retrofit, and they're only about 10% less torque than new ones would be
[02:44:09] <Gamma-X2> SWPadnos but are they fast?
[02:44:11] <SWPadnos> mine are 27 in-lb, I think the new ones are 29
[02:44:12] <BigJohnT> ok the first thing is to cut a long piece on the x to see how worn your ways are
[02:44:19] <SWPadnos> I don't know, I haven't done the retrofit yet :)
[02:44:20] <Gamma-X2> the servos on it are huge!
[02:44:23] <Gamma-X2> like mega huge
[02:44:40] <BigJohnT> then make a long cut on the Y
[02:44:52] <SWPadnos> but they're more powerful than the motors on a friend's Bridgeport, and his is fine (though he doesn't go for major speed records)
[02:45:05] <BigJohnT> then to check the controls make circular cut to check the roundness
[02:45:09] <Gamma-X2> i want high speed milling lol.
[02:45:14] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT ok.
[02:45:22] <SWPadnos> you can't have it unless you change the spindle
[02:45:28] <Gamma-X2> why?
[02:45:29] <SWPadnos> so live with "good speed" milling :)
[02:45:39] <Gamma-X2> what would I need
[02:46:00] <SWPadnos> high speed machining (probably not what you meant) uses spindle speeds of 20kRPM and up, sometimes up to 60-100k
[02:46:03] <BigJohnT> you need to run it for a while and find the limits of the current setup
[02:46:08] <SWPadnos> it's gota 3HP spindle?
[02:46:16] <Gamma-X2> yeah
[02:46:24] <BigJohnT> 4200 rpm!
[02:46:26] <Gamma-X2> SWPadnos wow! lol
[02:46:51] <SWPadnos> look up "metal removal rates" - you might be limited by spindle power, unless you're milling plastic
[02:47:18] <BigJohnT> you will be able to go fast enough to scare you for a while i'm sure
[02:47:35] <SWPadnos> as a reference, I think 1HP can remove something like 3 cubic inches of Aluminum per minute (using HSS tooling, I think)
[02:47:45] <cradek> put a 3/4 roughing mill in it and you'll run out of power before speed
[02:47:50] <Gamma-X2> i have an hss tool bit i took from work!
[02:47:56] <BigJohnT> that's a alot of chips
[02:47:57] <cradek> but you won't run out anytime soon
[02:48:01] <SWPadnos> well, that isn't a reference, because I'm not sure of the number, but anyway ...
[02:49:16] <BigJohnT> a little short on the x but more on the y and z than most
[02:49:24] <BigJohnT> just looking at the specs
[02:49:43] <BigJohnT> is it 3 phase?
[02:50:08] <SWPadnos> actually, you'll be limited by chip load on small tools, and power on large tools, so you probably don't needa motor upgrade until you get a spindle upgrade
[02:51:40] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT yeah but im gettin a vfd
[02:51:51] <BigJohnT> gamma is it three phase?
[02:51:56] <BigJohnT> ok
[02:52:08] <cradek> it'll probably take more than that
[02:52:16] <Gamma-X2> what do u mean
[02:52:25] <BigJohnT> in my machine shop we built a phase converter
[02:52:36] <BigJohnT> used a 15hp used motor
[02:52:39] <cradek> Gamma-X2: more than the spindle motor may be 3ph
[02:53:09] <BigJohnT> the anilam should be 120vac
[02:53:24] <BigJohnT> plug it into the wall!
[02:54:14] <Gamma-X2> it is 120 the anilam
[02:54:55] <BigJohnT> we put a potential relay on the mill so if the 3phase dropped out so did the servos
[02:55:26] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT u got any schematics
[02:55:44] <BigJohnT> at my machine shop I do
[02:55:50] <BigJohnT> not here at home
[02:56:32] <BigJohnT> it's real simple you just cut into the limit switch circuit with the potential relay
[02:58:27] <Gamma-X2> i need a vfd
[02:58:31] <Gamma-X2> who supplys vfd's
[02:58:44] <BigJohnT> automationdirect.com
[02:58:57] <BigJohnT> why do you need a vfd
[02:59:14] <Gamma-X2> speed control and it acts as a 3 phase convertwer
[02:59:27] <BigJohnT> you have speed control on the mill
[02:59:35] <Gamma-X2> manual speed control
[02:59:39] <Gamma-X2> i want auto speed control
[02:59:48] <BigJohnT> ok
[02:59:55] <Gamma-X2> but
[03:00:01] <Gamma-X2> i only need that if im using emc2
[03:00:23] <BigJohnT> you don't 'need' it even with emc2
[03:00:30] <Gamma-X2> i want
[03:00:40] <BigJohnT> ok i understand that
[03:00:44] <Gamma-X2> lol
[03:00:56] <BigJohnT> go to automationdirect.com
[03:01:04] <Gamma-X2> ok
[03:01:11] <BigJohnT> best place for electrical and plc stuff
[03:01:49] <Gamma-X2> this "update" looks like it would be a lot more money than anticipated, i dont "rig" things and i get all the extras.
[03:02:18] <Gamma-X2> but if I make a digitizer probe and touch off i cant use it...
[03:02:22] <BigJohnT> i do thing 'right' too
[03:02:32] <BigJohnT> why
[03:02:41] <BigJohnT> on the anilam you mean
[03:02:44] <Gamma-X2> i have a crusader! lol
[03:02:46] <Gamma-X2> lol yeah
[03:02:57] <BigJohnT> yea
[03:02:58] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT how much can i sell that for u think?
[03:03:04] <Gamma-X2> well
[03:03:09] <Gamma-X2> the crusader cards and head unit
[03:03:21] <BigJohnT> maybe for parts on flea bay
[03:03:39] <BigJohnT> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/hunting/P1010063.jpg
[03:03:52] <BigJohnT> some deer jerkey
[03:04:00] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT that u?
[03:04:08] <BigJohnT> yep
[03:04:13] <Gamma-X2> damn u r big
[03:04:14] <Gamma-X2> hahaha
[03:04:37] <BigJohnT> cva electra black powder rifle and 120 lb deer
[03:05:11] <cradek> I watched six deer drinking from the stream down the block from the house yesterday. they're pretty cool.
[03:05:17] <BigJohnT> na the picture adds some pounds LOL
[03:05:24] <BigJohnT> I love watching them
[03:05:39] <Gamma-X2> u love watching them and then killing them!
[03:05:50] <Gamma-X2> u imagine slitting them apart. and eating them lol
[03:05:56] <BigJohnT> that was my first deer
[03:06:03] <BigJohnT> it ain't as bad as you think
[03:06:13] <Gamma-X2> hahahaha i love venicine stew
[03:06:16] <Gamma-X2> mmmm.
[03:06:24] <Gamma-X2> i love hicks and there venicine.
[03:06:28] <Gamma-X2> seriosuly
[03:06:35] <BigJohnT> if the meat is done right it is real tasty
[03:06:43] <Gamma-X2> anyone use a vfd for speed control?
[03:06:57] <BigJohnT> don't even taste gamey if you prep it right
[03:07:09] <Gamma-X2> i dont mind gammy but i mind hair.
[03:07:10] <BigJohnT> i use them at work
[03:07:17] <BigJohnT> LOL
[03:07:22] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT they hard to use? in terms of speed control.
[03:07:33] <BigJohnT> not the newer ones
[03:07:51] <Gamma-X2> if i have a 3hp motor should i get a 3hp vfd?
[03:07:53] <BigJohnT> 4-20 ma or 0-10 volt controls
[03:08:03] <Gamma-X2> nuting else would be running off of it as far as I know.
[03:08:23] <BigJohnT> looking you one up now
[03:08:49] <BigJohnT> your machine 230v
[03:08:53] <Gamma-X2> i think the servos may run off the 220 line? idk. they wouldnt boot up when only the 120 line was connected.
[03:08:56] <Gamma-X2> yup
[03:09:32] <Gamma-X2> but the controller booted up
[03:09:41] <BigJohnT> the anilam should be 120 volts but some have them hooked to a step down xformer so you have to bypass that
[03:10:03] <Gamma-X2> i can hook the 220 up and 3 phase it directly to what ever is controlling the motor.
[03:10:18] <Gamma-X2> and lets the normal 220 flow into the machine
[03:10:34] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT theres 2 cords
[03:10:55] <BigJohnT> one for the servos and one for the spindle
[03:10:59] <BigJohnT> http://web2.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/AC_Drives/GS2_(115_-z-_230_-z-_460_-z-_575_VAC_V-z-Hz_Control)/GS2-23P0
[03:11:04] <Gamma-X2> 220 and 120
[03:11:23] <BigJohnT> the 120 should power the anilam and the servos
[03:11:31] <Gamma-X2> i dont need any recomended items do i?
[03:11:38] <BigJohnT> the 220 is for the spindle
[03:11:51] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT well the control booted up but the servos didnt move.
[03:12:07] <Gamma-X2> but we didnt hook the 3 phase up
[03:12:12] <BigJohnT> did you start the servos?
[03:12:12] <Gamma-X2> only 120
[03:12:17] <Gamma-X2> nope
[03:12:25] <Gamma-X2> wouldnt move cause no 230
[03:12:31] <dmess> shouldnt... unless the spindle is 3 phase 220
[03:12:37] <BigJohnT> on the control panel there is a button for servo
[03:12:37] <Gamma-X2> im goin up there this weekend when it gets shipped to check it over all the way
[03:12:52] <BigJohnT> unless you press this button the servos don't move
[03:13:00] <BigJohnT> reset servo
[03:13:08] <Gamma-X2> ok
[03:13:11] <BigJohnT> you should here a big clunk when you press it
[03:13:22] <BigJohnT> it's a big relay in the cabinet
[03:13:26] <Gamma-X2> well he said the servos will hum letting u know there on.
[03:13:42] <Gamma-X2> can teh servos run off 220?
[03:13:51] <BigJohnT> no the run off of 120
[03:14:12] <BigJohnT> if the console was up the servos were powered up
[03:14:12] <Gamma-X2> wel im confused on why they didnt move without the 3phase 220 hooked up
[03:14:29] <BigJohnT> did you press the servo reset button?
[03:14:29] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT i think some of the power comes from the 3phase 220
[03:14:34] <BigJohnT> no
[03:14:44] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT i didnt do shit, the owner did and said they wont mvoe without the 220 3 phase
[03:14:49] <dmess> the spimdle wasnt ready in the ladder
[03:14:51] <Gamma-X2> shart*
[03:14:57] <BigJohnT> after you power up the control you have to start the servos
[03:15:13] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT i think he would have done that to be honest.
[03:15:14] <BigJohnT> ok
[03:15:27] <Gamma-X2> dmess wow that was out of the blue lol
[03:15:39] <BigJohnT> might be different than the 1100
[03:15:52] <Gamma-X2> maby idk
[03:15:54] <dmess> its the same on ALL cnc machines..
[03:15:56] <Gamma-X2> hold on
[03:16:05] <BigJohnT> from the pics it looks the same as the 1100 except for the console
[03:16:09] <eric_U> how would you home a gantry with two home switches? sounds bendy
[03:16:18] <dmess> as much as they ARE different they are all the same...
[03:17:56] <Gamma-X2> http://faculty.etsu.edu/hemphill/entc3710/ani-mill/chp01.htm#features
[03:18:13] <BigJohnT> also if any axis is at the limit the servos won't move
[03:18:26] <eric_U> nbuck is buckie555 on cnczone?
[03:18:40] <Gamma-X2> it may have beem
[03:18:42] <Gamma-X2> been
[03:18:46] <Gamma-X2> yo it says i can digitize! lol
[03:19:37] <eric_U> it has three boring cycles, I wouldn't tell a teenager that
[03:20:18] <dmess> i hated / loved those machines... keep it simple and they are 24-7 work horses... add lil' indians to load and un-load... and rock and rolllll...
[03:20:19] <eric_U> I like the paint scheme on that one
[03:20:46] <Gamma-X2> dmess what do u mean add lil indaids lol
[03:20:51] <dmess> you knuts...
[03:20:54] <eric_U> I swear there was a recent discussion on cnczone about the anilam amps
[03:21:01] <eric_U> and switching to emc
[03:21:11] <dmess> pick an imagrant...
[03:21:32] <Gamma-X2> im so lsot lol
[03:21:50] <dmess> i'n native Canadian.. some call me a native.. others an indian..
[03:22:24] <Gamma-X2> im just gunna call u frenchy
[03:22:41] <dmess> i just know i can load a machine and teach a lil' green man to do the same
[03:23:01] <dmess> pourquoi pass
[03:23:04] <Gamma-X2> ahhhhh
[03:23:06] <Gamma-X2> got it
[03:23:07] <Gamma-X2> hahahaha
[03:23:22] <dmess> im fluent...
[03:23:23] <eric_U> shortage of little green men around here
[03:23:27] <eric_U> grad students though
[03:23:32] <BigJohnT> it may be that the servo power was through a stepdown xformer from the 220v feed
[03:23:49] <BigJohnT> didn't see a servo reset button on the pictures
[03:24:02] <Gamma-X2> BigJohnT prolly
[03:24:10] <dmess> not near my home... they seem to gravitate close to MY crash site
[03:24:44] <dmess> ooops .. too much info..
[03:25:20] <Chris_sub_1_also> Hi folks. Anyone on that can tell me if an nVidia FX6200 can work in my new EMC2 (Dapper) machine? I just read some bad stuff about the nVidia drivers and realtime kernels. :(
[03:25:30] <dmess> lil' green men dont do we on YOUR alchohol stuff...
[03:25:33] <BigJohnT> any how if you need any info on running the anilam part the tech guys are great
[03:26:14] <Gamma-X2> sweet
[03:26:22] <BigJohnT> when you get it home let us know
[03:26:33] <cradek> Chris_sub_1_also: usually nvidia screws up realtime. the vesa driver is ok for realtime but performance is bad
[03:26:50] <eric_U> so I should dig out a matrox?
[03:27:02] <cradek> that's what I do
[03:27:09] <eric_U> pci?
[03:27:20] <BigJohnT> i have nvidia and get RT errors with it
[03:27:33] <cradek> maybe any matrox is ok, I've used G400/G450 and older millenium 2
[03:28:12] <Chris_sub_1_also> AGP low-profile in a SFF HPD530 for mine. Versus built-in Intel I was hoping to improve upon.
[03:29:18] <cradek> the intels (i810?) actually work pretty well don't they?
[03:29:24] <BigJohnT> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Brewery/Brewery001d.jpg
[03:31:21] <eric_U> I sold all my beer making stuff
[03:31:27] <BigJohnT> LOL
[03:31:51] <eric_U> the hardest part was getting enough bottles
[03:32:06] <BigJohnT> I keg mine
[03:32:14] <eric_U> I saw some big bottles
[03:32:28] <tomp1> can python variables be inspected during a program run? ( will one of the ide's allow inspection? )
[03:32:42] <BigJohnT> fermentation carboys
[03:32:57] <eric_U> smaller than that, like wine bottles?
[03:33:29] <BigJohnT> i do wine too
[03:33:36] <eric_U> makes sense then
[03:33:55] <BigJohnT> u looking at my photobucket pics
[03:33:55] <dmess> or just busting up bottles while capping 3x 72 bottles.... and calling and WASHING the flipping thins
[03:34:34] <BigJohnT> washing is a breeze with a dish washer
[03:34:49] <dmess> i left my LAST brew in a glass carboy for over 3 yrs before we tried it....
[03:34:56] <BigJohnT> but i keg the beer
[03:35:03] <BigJohnT> was it a barley wine
[03:35:04] <eric_U> I was looking at your pics last night
[03:35:15] <BigJohnT> ok
[03:35:15] <dmess> beer..
[03:35:44] <BigJohnT> had to be rough after 3 yrs if not high on the alchol levels
[03:35:50] <dmess> wooden kegs??
[03:36:12] <BigJohnT> ss soda kegs hold 5 gallons each
[03:36:13] <eric_U> I read a story about a guy that was killed by his beer keg when it exploded
[03:36:30] <eric_U> fatal impatience
[03:36:33] <BigJohnT> can keep 8 in the kegger
[03:36:40] <dmess> yeah.. about 5 gals
[03:36:56] <BigJohnT> yea dont throw 1/2bbl kegs on the fire
[03:37:12] <BigJohnT> yep 5.5 gallons
[03:37:13] <eric_U> when we were selling our house in utah, I was hiding my beer making from the locals
[03:37:17] <dmess> how much sugar you adding at transfer??
[03:37:32] <Gamma-X2> i cant believe where this chat room has ended up
[03:37:33] <BigJohnT> in beer none
[03:37:37] <Gamma-X2> talkin about moonshine lol
[03:37:49] <eric_U> beer and wine making is legal
[03:37:50] <BigJohnT> that's a nuther subject
[03:37:56] <Gamma-X2> lol
[03:37:58] <Gamma-X2> brb
[03:38:01] <eric_U> 'shine aint
[03:38:04] <dmess> so from primary to keg??
[03:38:22] <BigJohnT> primary, secondary, keg
[03:38:29] <dmess> we can digress
[03:38:40] <BigJohnT> i like mine crystal clear
[03:38:47] <eric_U> so do you do a secondary fermentation?
[03:38:52] <BigJohnT> yea
[03:39:05] <eric_U> but not during transfer?
[03:39:17] <BigJohnT> more for clearing than for fermentation
[03:39:17] <dmess> so high sugar primary.. add a little and bottle... BIG
[03:39:34] <BigJohnT> ?
[03:40:07] <BigJohnT> if you bottle you add priming sugar to create the co2 in the bottle
[03:40:13] <BigJohnT> or you bottle from the keg
[03:40:30] <dmess> iff you want CREAR add finnings in the secondary
[03:40:54] <BigJohnT> I prefer to wait and let gravity do it's thing
[03:41:08] <dmess> do you ad c02 to the keg somehow??
[03:41:19] <dmess> clear
[03:41:20] <BigJohnT> If I did the brewing process correctly and got good cold break they all come out clear
[03:41:30] <eric_U> I loved making beer, but it would be too much of a pain to start again
[03:41:36] <BigJohnT> yes the keg is kept under co2 pressure all the time
[03:41:47] <eric_U> plus my wife hated the smell of the wort
[03:42:07] <BigJohnT> the pressure level is what determines how much carbonation you have
[03:42:12] <Chris_sub_1_also> cradek: My machine has the 865G chipset. I wanted an AGP card for general performance improvement, but also for the DVI interface.
[03:42:14] <dmess> me too.. used finnings only a bout 3 times in me log
[03:42:53] <BigJohnT> my wife loves the smell of beer brewing
[03:43:03] <BigJohnT> and has more cammo than I do
[03:43:20] <BigJohnT> I have more guns that she does by one
[03:43:31] <dmess> mine hated the smell of some other stuff more... and i couldnt MAKE the beer smelll enuf...
[03:43:34] <BigJohnT> but she has more knifes than I do by a lot
[03:44:25] <dmess> i now grow strawberries ALL yr round.....
[03:44:40] <BigJohnT> do you make wine from the strawberries?
[03:44:46] <BigJohnT> that is one of the best
[03:45:05] <BigJohnT> next to elderberry wine
[03:45:18] <dmess> we used to really love each other...
[03:45:32] <BigJohnT> and...
[03:46:07] <dmess> i made that too... even distilled it in a pressure coocok.. NO crap.. age 15...
[03:46:35] <BigJohnT> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/WineRack01.jpg
[03:46:39] <dmess> her and i are on the outs...
[03:46:50] <BigJohnT> damm i hate to hear that
[03:47:05] <dmess> i hate to say it.. ; (
[03:47:32] <BigJohnT> the mother of my children was a bitch
[03:47:43] <BigJohnT> my wife is great
[03:48:13] <BigJohnT> I'm glad my daughters realized that it wasn't because of them
[03:50:00] <BigJohnT> Leon Redbones song Your Feets too Big is the inspration for this
[03:50:01] <BigJohnT> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Counter%20Flow%20Chiller/CFC18.jpg
[03:50:59] <BigJohnT> this is my favorite photo
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Kids/Carmen01.jpg
[03:51:41] <BigJohnT> and it's getting late so ttul
[03:54:22] <eric_U> I wonder if my fingernail is going to fall off
[04:11:47] <dmess> WELL APPERANTLY IM A DRUNKAN ASSHOJE>>> and she loves the kids>>
[04:12:21] <eric_U> that kinda goes without saying, don't it?
[04:12:25] <dmess> and my last best friend
[04:13:02] <eric_U> I've got my kids trained
[04:13:12] <eric_U> for just this situation
[04:13:20] <dmess> yes>> i thought she knew that when she married me>>
[04:13:35] <dmess> how??
[04:13:35] <eric_U> I didn't become an asshole until later
[04:13:39] <eric_U> sad to say
[04:13:54] <eric_U> sorry, you have to start training them at a very young age
[04:13:59] <eric_U> when they are easier to fool
[04:14:04] <dmess> same as me>>
[04:15:31] <dmess> i dont try to fool>> im honest...
[04:16:44] <dmess> BigJohnT.. my kids are smart enuf to see thru it tooo
[04:16:58] <eric_U> I always tried to treat the kids with a lot of respect, and that worked wonders
[04:17:05] <eric_U> my wife gets all emotional
[04:17:28] <eric_U> so the kids like my approach a lot better
[04:17:39] <dmess> im just trying to BE-NICE to every-one.... i can heal...
[04:17:52] <dmess> me to
[04:18:24] <dmess> i can heal later.... i mean
[04:20:05] <dmess> 1 son is a BIGGG issue for both our minds these days and without support she ist dealin' well... he's playin' the role of the MORON
[04:20:54] <eric_U> why do you think he's doing that?
[04:23:23] <dmess> at times.. He does have his head up his ash
[04:25:04] <eric_U> probably just stressed out by transition to adulthood
[04:26:14] <eric_U> does he have plans/goals?
[04:26:44] <dmess> lets hope it PLOPS out soon... i gotta fly... THX eric...& BigJohnT.... i needed that.... sanity check...
[04:27:17] <eric_U> good luck
[04:27:20] <dmess> im a SPEED skiier... balls on.. full throttle is my moto
[04:27:43] <dmess> sometimes you need a hey hooo
[04:28:31] <dmess> no.. he has not told me of any plans.. thats what scares me
[04:28:55] <eric_U> probably scares him too, maybe you could talk to him about it
[04:29:32] <dmess> but his mom & I have offered to throw him out to see if he could make some
[04:29:43] <jmkasunich> send him into the Navy!
[04:29:51] <eric_U> noooooooo!
[04:30:02] <jmkasunich> (thats where my stepson is - I think its been good for him)
[04:30:12] <dmess> air force.. if anywhere...
[04:30:21] <eric_U> heh
[04:30:33] <jmkasunich> any particular reason?
[04:30:51] <eric_U> sadly, that does work for a lot of people
[04:31:04] <dmess> he's the type to FLY.. but HE NEED discipline.. and I cant give it to him
[04:31:15] <eric_U> but it would be better to get him moving in the right direction without it
[04:31:27] <dmess> i agree..
[04:31:43] <jmkasunich> my stepson tried college (community college) but didn't have the discipline and focus
[04:31:54] <jmkasunich> he's working on gas turbine engines now, and really likes it
[04:32:09] <dmess> very impressive
[04:32:16] <jmkasunich> I think when he gets out he'll have the motivation to get more education
[04:32:21] <eric_U> whatever you do, you should want to do it, or else you aren't going to be good at it
[04:32:27] <dmess> i guess i can only dream...
[04:32:56] <jmkasunich> http://www.navybuddies.com/dd/ddg72.htm
[04:32:59] <dmess> he'll find THE thing
[04:33:09] <eric_U> that's what happened when I went off to make bicycles
[04:33:14] <jmkasunich> GE LM2500 turbines
[04:33:25] <Gamma-X2> i was on the usns supply
[04:33:28] <Gamma-X2> the navy sucked
[04:33:30] <dmess> pick a part
[04:33:36] <Gamma-X2> lol goin to bed
[04:33:43] <Gamma-X2> talk to u guys tomorow.
[04:33:50] <dmess> thx
[04:34:00] <Gamma-X2> lata!
[04:34:18] <Gamma-X2> dont go in service unless ur poor no highschool diploma or u hate life, and wanna kill urself
[04:34:41] <eric_U> air force was good to me, all in all
[04:35:10] <jmkasunich> Gamma-X2: something tells me you get out of it what you put into it, just like life
[04:35:42] <dmess> i gotta head out... THX all
[04:35:57] <eric_U> I wouldn't have done well as an enlisted troop, I'm sure of that
[04:36:15] <dmess> rank??
[04:36:23] <SWPadnos> very
[04:36:24] <eric_U> capt
[04:36:36] <dmess> congrats
[04:36:42] <eric_U> heh
[04:37:03] <dmess> i never had the discipline..
[04:37:26] <Chris_sub_1_also> jmk: I've got my Hurco doing 3-axis motion pretty well. More tuning required...
[04:37:46] <dmess> taught RF wilderness training... when i could be on my own though...
[04:38:44] <SWPadnos> I thought it was interesting that the Canadian army had co-ed showers (in the field anyway)
[04:38:53] <eric_U> no way
[04:38:57] <SWPadnos> way
[04:39:10] <eric_U> time multiplexed
[04:39:14] <SWPadnos> nope
[04:39:38] <SWPadnos> there were some things that might have been meant to be barriers, but they weren't very effective
[04:39:59] <SWPadnos> I think there were two entrances though - one on each end of the tent, so the "locker rooms" were separate
[04:40:03] <eric_U> air force has coed bathrooms on C141
[04:40:09] <SWPadnos> heh
[04:40:15] <eric_U> it's a big trough on a paller
[04:40:15] <SWPadnos> 14 people, one room :)
[04:40:22] <eric_U> pallet
[04:40:31] <SWPadnos> yeah, the "bathroom"
[04:40:49] <eric_U> in the back of the plane where everyone can see you
[04:41:19] <eric_U> talk about bashful bladder syndrome
[04:41:29] <SWPadnos> well, you definitely lose some privacy in the military
[04:42:38] <SWPadnos> went for a (long) day cruise on this ship:
http://www.navybuddies.com/cvn/cvn75.html
[04:42:45] <SWPadnos> that was very cool
[05:24:35] <toastyde1th> toastyde1th is now known as toastydeath
[07:10:42] <Skullworks-PGAB> any info I can read up on pluto step, or did that all die off?
[07:12:29] <renesis> hi
[07:12:39] <renesis> wanna see my new psu i made it with emc
[07:12:59] <renesis> http://darkertechnologies.com/notes/wp-content/2007/12/vfdclk_psu_done01.JPG
[07:13:04] <renesis> sexy, yesno?
[07:13:53] <Skullworks-PGAB> needs more capacitors!
[07:14:12] <Skullworks-PGAB> :)
[07:14:40] <renesis> heheheh
[07:16:13] <Skullworks-PGAB> they sell LED drop lights cheap now - I'm thinkinh of using a pair for lights on my mill.
[07:16:40] <renesis> i need to pimp my mill enclosure
[07:16:52] <renesis> needs lights =\
[07:24:25] <toastydeath> danger danger! high voltage.
[07:25:25] <renesis> is only 25V
[07:25:48] <renesis> cant even feel it
[07:25:54] <renesis> well maybe if you licked it
[07:25:58] <toastydeath> it's a song man
[07:26:05] <toastydeath> i didn't actually mean high voltage
[07:26:27] <toastydeath> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a4gyJsY0mc
[07:27:05] <renesis> =( =( =(
[07:27:18] <toastydeath> sorry =(((
[07:41:19] <SWPadnos___> SWPadnos___ is now known as SWPadnos
[08:55:52] <scutsxg> oh,my god...
[08:55:56] <scutsxg> i come....
[08:56:42] <scutsxg> i have play with emc for several years,but it is my first time to come here..,hello every one!!
[09:02:53] <christel> [Global Notice] Hi all! One of our sponsors is doing some maintenance, it may or may not affect connectivity on freenode. Have a nice day!
[09:14:37] <fsdafsd> lol high voltage
[09:15:00] <fsdafsd> fire in the disco
[09:15:40] <scutsxg> ?
[09:20:54] <scutsxg> hi,anybody ,i cannt hear from any of you
[09:24:48] <archivist> not a lot of activity at this time of day
[09:25:19] <scutsxg> ok,thanks....
[09:25:38] <scutsxg> i am not sure whether i come into the right place
[09:26:21] <scutsxg> or i cannt have access to your comments
[09:28:40] <archivist> its the right place
[09:29:09] <scutsxg> ok,when will hot up?
[09:29:55] <archivist> midday uk morning usa
[09:32:18] <scutsxg> thank you,:0)
[09:50:17] <Guest854> will emc2 be made available on any other distros not just ubuntu?
[09:52:59] <archivist> it needs the realtime kernel, so perhaps you could do one
[09:55:15] <Guest854> i have tried
[13:01:55] <BigJohnT> any one on that knows about M62 and M66
[13:02:10] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: ask away
[13:02:44] <BigJohnT> on M62 how is it linked to motion?
[13:03:05] <alex_joni> that means it gets put on the queue and executed just before the next move starts
[13:04:04] <BigJohnT> so if it is in a line with other commands the next line the output would be on?
[13:04:30] <alex_joni> what other commands?
[13:04:45] <alex_joni> but the answer is yes..
[13:04:54] <alex_joni> except if the other commands turn it off :D
[13:04:55] <BigJohnT> like G0 X2 Y3 M62 P0
[13:05:04] <alex_joni> right
[13:05:08] <BigJohnT> ok
[13:05:15] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: if it
[13:05:23] <BigJohnT> do you know about the problems with M66?
[13:05:26] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: if it's not working report a bug-report :)
[13:05:34] <alex_joni> I think I read something recently
[13:05:43] <BigJohnT> how do I do that
[13:06:00] <alex_joni> what do you mean?
[13:06:11] <BigJohnT> where do I report a bug report?
[13:06:28] <alex_joni> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=6744&atid=106744
[13:06:42] <BigJohnT> thanks
[13:06:49] <alex_joni> it's best if you submit using an existing account
[13:07:00] <alex_joni> that helps a lot in tracking/responding/asking for further info
[13:07:16] <BigJohnT> ok
[13:07:19] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: was it you that wrote on the users list a couple days ago?
[13:07:23] <alex_joni> regarding M66?
[13:07:27] <BigJohnT> yes
[13:07:45] <BigJohnT> I've been testing it with my plasma cutter
[13:08:48] <alex_joni> so you tried L1 or L3 .. right?
[13:09:07] <BigJohnT> yes tried all 5
[13:09:30] <alex_joni> 2 and 4 are ok to go right through (they both work on low level..)
[13:09:39] <alex_joni> let me try this
[13:09:43] <BigJohnT> other way around
[13:10:03] <BigJohnT> no i got it backwards
[13:10:05] <alex_joni> "If I change the L word to 2 or 4 it breezes right through, a 1 or 3 and
[13:10:05] <alex_joni> it times out even though I can see the motion.digital-in-01 change states...
[13:10:06] <alex_joni> "
[13:10:24] <BigJohnT> i forgot to start counting at 0
[13:10:27] <BigJohnT> this morning
[13:14:28] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: it works for me ..
[13:14:40] <BigJohnT> hmmmm
[13:14:53] <alex_joni> didn't try from parport, as I don't have anything attached
[13:15:06] <alex_joni> are you sure you don't have a typo in linking the things?
[13:15:06] <BigJohnT> I was using parport
[13:15:42] <BigJohnT> I can see motion.digital-in-nn toggle states in the watch window
[13:15:50] <BigJohnT> so I don't think there is a typo
[13:16:06] <alex_joni> except if you used a different P#nr.
[13:17:55] <BigJohnT> I'm using M66 P1 and can see motion.digital-in-01 toggle in the watch window
[13:18:14] <alex_joni> are you doing this right now?
[13:18:20] <BigJohnT> yes
[13:18:26] <alex_joni> can I see the g-code?
[13:19:12] <BigJohnT> one moment
[13:19:37] <alex_joni> you said it used to work with a pyvcp button?
[13:19:49] <BigJohnT> yes somewhat
[13:20:01] <BigJohnT> http://951753.pastebin.ca/821980
[13:20:25] <BigJohnT> the pyvcp button would latch when the program was running
[13:21:05] <BigJohnT> this line worked with pyvcp
[13:21:07] <BigJohnT> net ArcStable motion.digital-in-01 <= pyvcp.arc-stable
[13:21:25] <BigJohnT> I changed it to this for the parport
[13:21:25] <alex_joni> Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: That is an invalid ID, or the post has expired.
[13:21:26] <BigJohnT> net ArcStable motion.digital-in-01 <= parport.0.pin-10-in
[13:21:30] <tomp1> pastebin is blank
[13:21:38] <BigJohnT> hmmm
[13:22:10] <BigJohnT> my first time using pastebin
[13:22:18] <alex_joni> did you use pastebin.ca ?
[13:22:28] <BigJohnT> yes
[13:22:34] <alex_joni> check the link again
[13:22:37] <tomp1> copy & paste the url returned
[13:23:25] <BigJohnT> i must be doing something wrong
[13:23:46] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: open pastebin.ca, paste the g-code, click submit
[13:24:02] <alex_joni> then wait for it to reload with the final link, then copy that in here
[13:24:16] <BigJohnT> ok
[13:24:37] <BigJohnT> it came back blank
[13:26:05] <BigJohnT> http://951753.pastebin.ca/821988
[13:26:09] <BigJohnT> try that one
[13:27:32] <tomp1> BigJohnT: that worked, but the pyvcp code would be handy to see too
[13:27:56] <BigJohnT> ok
[13:29:27] <BigJohnT> http://951753.pastebin.ca/821995
[13:31:19] <alex_joni> tomp1: worked for you? didn't work here..
[13:31:27] <tomp1> and the .hal file to see the 'wiring' too, ( sorry i didnt ask b4 )
[13:31:36] <BigJohnT> working on it
[13:31:58] <BigJohnT> the ini file
http://951753.pastebin.ca/821999
[13:32:14] <tomp1> alex_joni: yes ok here, gcode & pyvcp
[13:32:45] <tomp1> but now cant connect ( pastebin is being odd )
[13:32:53] <BigJohnT> me neither
[13:33:07] <skunkworks> didn't work here also..
[13:33:19] <alex_joni> I could never connect to 951753.pastebin.ca , pastebin.ca works ok though
[13:33:34] <alex_joni> bbl
[13:33:44] <BigJohnT> ok
[13:34:24] <tomp1> BigJohnT: butthis was the 'net' for the button right? net ArcStable motion.digital-in-01 <= pyvcp.arc-stable
[13:34:41] <BigJohnT> yes
[13:37:46] <tomp1> uhmmm, arc-stable is wired to the signal motion.digital-in-01, and the button is not connected by the hal statement above ( or am i missing something) ?
[13:38:43] <BigJohnT> the button is pyvcp.arc-stable
[13:39:01] <BigJohnT> http://951753.pastebin.ca/822006
[13:39:09] <BigJohnT> pastebin seems to be working again
[13:39:55] <tomp1> i'm missing why pyvcp.arc-stable is a button ( i think a button is a graphic thing pressed in pyvcp )
[13:40:32] <BigJohnT> that is the name of the button in the VCP
[13:41:31] <tomp1> yes, missed the frame containing that
[13:41:42] <BigJohnT> ok
[13:42:30] <BigJohnT> the pyvcp button would work (except the button latched) when running the code
[13:43:08] <BigJohnT> I changed one line from net ArcStable motion.digital-in-01 <= pyvcp.arc-stable
[13:43:17] <BigJohnT> to net ArcStable motion.digital-in-01 <= parport.0.pin-10-in
[13:43:24] <BigJohnT> to test the parport
[13:43:35] <tomp1> the latest post has the pyvcp disconnected and a parport pin (10) connected. i 'spose for debug, does pin 10 work as expected?
[13:43:59] <BigJohnT> no pin 10 does not work and the button does
[13:45:47] <tomp1> ok ( i guess it is pin 10 doesnt work with last post, and button does work with the 'other' net line )
[13:45:53] <BigJohnT> I can see ArcStable, motion.digital-in-01 and parport.0.pin-in-10 all change states in the watch window when I toggle the input
[13:46:03] <BigJohnT> yes
[13:47:51] <tomp1> sorry, "no pin 10 does not work and the button does" and "can see ArcStable, motion.digital-in-01 and parport.0.pin-in-10 all change states in the watch window" seem to conflict
[13:48:45] <BigJohnT> sorry M66 fails to see or act on the motion.digital-in-01 signal
[13:48:56] <tomp1> gotcha
[13:49:11] <tomp1> that bit i cannot advise, sorry to be of no help
[13:49:29] <BigJohnT> thanks
[13:51:22] <jepler> does halmeter show the value on motion.digital-in-01 changing when you expect?
[13:51:43] <BigJohnT> yes
[13:52:30] <BigJohnT> wait that was the hal config that i was watching
[13:52:36] <BigJohnT> let me try halmeter
[13:53:25] <BigJohnT> yes the motion.digital-in-01 works properly in hal meter
[13:53:47] <tomp1> does setp motion.digital-in-01 TRUE help you debug it?
[13:54:21] <tomp1> nope, it's just that M66 doesnt respond, ok, its borqd :(
[13:54:30] <BigJohnT> i have not tried that
[13:55:02] <jepler> BigJohnT: do I understand that it worked like you expected using a vcp button, but doesn't work when you tried to change it to use the parport?
[13:55:20] <BigJohnT> yes
[13:55:48] <BigJohnT> jepler: there is a small problem with the vcp button but other than that it worked as expected
[13:55:50] <jepler> did you change any other configuration lines than 'net ArcStable ...'?
[13:55:59] <BigJohnT> no
[13:56:24] <jepler> did you use the same gcode program to test it?
[13:56:29] <BigJohnT> yes
[13:56:39] <BigJohnT> the only thing I changed was from this
[13:56:40] <BigJohnT> net ArcStable motion.digital-in-01 <= pyvcp.arc-stable
[13:56:43] <BigJohnT> to this
[13:56:50] <BigJohnT> net ArcStable motion.digital-in-01 <= parport.0.pin-10-in
[13:57:44] <tomp1> (oops does your parport work ? a missing stimulus? )
[13:58:27] <BigJohnT> yes I can see every thing toggle states in the watch window
[13:59:14] <tomp1> yes, i scrolled back and see that ( but M66 works one way so is not borqd )
[14:00:25] <BigJohnT> what is borqd?
[14:00:33] <tomp1> broken
[14:00:47] <tomp1> sorry
[14:00:51] <BigJohnT> ok
[14:01:31] <jepler> BigJohnT: if you change just the one line 'net ArcStable ...' back to pyvcp, does it still work?
[14:01:39] <BigJohnT> yes
[14:01:48] <jepler> Is the sense (e.g., what TRUE means) of the parport pin the same as in in pyvcp?
[14:02:24] <BigJohnT> I don't understand
[14:02:52] <jepler> Does TRUE mean
[14:02:56] <jepler> 'arc is good
[14:03:02] <jepler> ARGH
[14:03:16] <jepler> does 'true' mean 'arc is good' on both the parport and in pyvcp?
[14:03:26] <BigJohnT> yes
[14:07:23] <jepler> I can't imagine what the problem is, then
[14:07:35] <BigJohnT> ok thanks
[14:07:47] <BigJohnT> I have to go to work now ttul
[14:07:52] <jepler> ok see you
[14:53:10] <tomp1> cannot be .ini file, must be .hal file regarding "the ini file
http://951753.pastebin.ca/821999" maybe got similar code in diff files?
[15:05:46] <cradek> c
[15:09:35] <skunkworks> d
[15:28:04] <cradek> yeah yeah
[15:29:21] <cradek> again I find that old starrett tools on ebay cost about the same as new chinese tools
[15:29:56] <skunkworks> then go with starrett
[15:30:03] <cradek> yeah, no kidding
[15:30:06] <skunkworks> :)
[15:31:12] <cradek> I bought a set of chinese small hole gauges. the only thing they're good for is throwing out
[15:31:26] <cradek> so, now I paid for those, and also have to pay for a set that works
[15:32:11] <cradek> I should get the cheap stuff from HF. At least you can look at it before you buy it. Sometimes it's obvious whether it's usable or not
[15:32:31] <skunkworks> yeck.. we have a set of telescoping bore gauges.. Love them. (takes a bit to get the 'feel')
[15:32:49] <cradek> yeah the telescoping hammer ones are nice and easy to use
[15:32:56] <cradek> these are for smaller holes (below 1/2 inch)
[15:33:20] <cradek> I also need a set of the hammers
[15:33:31] <cradek> so I'm buying old starrett on ebay this time :-)
[15:33:35] <skunkworks> heh - hammers. - yah.
[15:33:56] <cradek> yeah hammers. you measure them with one of those glue clamps
[15:34:13] <skunkworks> now that is even funnier ;)
[15:34:53] <skunkworks> when I was around 9 or so - I used one of fathers 1 inch micrometers to clamp 2 pieces togather..
[15:35:19] <skunkworks> needless to say - he wasn't too impressed/
[15:35:24] <cradek> ha
[15:35:43] <cradek> I bet we all got in trouble for messing with dad's tools when we were little
[15:35:48] <archivist> naughty boy
[15:36:06] <skunkworks> but it worked so well though..
[17:02:25] <cradek> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290183998491
[17:02:30] <cradek> slide rule caliper combo?
[17:03:31] <archivist> nice collectable
[17:04:38] <SWPadnos> heh - that made me think it would be cool (ish) to make a digital slide rule - use it like an old slide rule, except the readout (for whichever function you choose) is digital :)
[17:07:18] <cradek> the readout would be along the cursor?
[17:08:06] <SWPadnos> like a digital caliper, except the readout isn't length, it's whatever function you chose
[17:08:42] <SWPadnos> you'd need a couple of buttons like "first datum", so you could do things like multiplication
[17:09:42] <fenn> and it could be solar powered too, so you lose the last 5 operations just as you're almost finished
[17:09:52] <SWPadnos> excellent!
[17:10:15] <SWPadnos> also, it could integrate the Windows Stress Monitor, to make it give you wrong answers when you're in a hurry
[17:11:09] <fenn> apparently windows calculator has arbitrary precision arithmetic and is good up to at least 10^1000000
[17:11:29] <fenn> its quite fun to watch people try to find the square root button though
[17:35:11] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfDr-XXuvmo
[17:39:10] <anonimasu> fenn: it's a great calc tool really
[17:40:25] <archivist> skunkworks, hehe nuts
[17:40:41] <fenn> i'll stick with GNU units, thanks :)
[17:44:05] <fenn> cool turbine.. i always wanted to make one that ate cardboard
[17:44:43] <anonimasu> fenn: I dont care, calc works great..
[17:44:44] <anonimasu> :p
[17:45:11] <anonimasu> bit/byte math and that stuff
[17:49:22] <anonimasu> I wonder if you could use a tesla turbine to drive a spindle..
[17:49:23] <anonimasu> :p
[17:50:34] <fenn> sure
[17:50:49] <anonimasu> oh rahter
[17:50:51] <anonimasu> how well it would work
[17:50:51] <archivist> I imagine the sticky stuff that condenses out of wood smoke is going to gum up the turbine
[17:50:56] <anonimasu> they look simple enough to make..
[17:51:07] <fenn> archivist: it wont condense if the turbine is hot
[17:51:08] <anonimasu> archivist: eh? how would that get into the turbine?
[17:51:23] <fenn> carbon deposits might be a problem though
[17:51:24] <anonimasu> archivist: as you run them on compressed air anyway
[17:51:44] <fenn> no, the wood turbine in the video ran on the hot combustion gases
[17:52:15] <anonimasu> ah yeah, that one
[17:52:19] <fenn> people only run tesla turbines on compressed air because they lack any sort of manufacturing ability to make them out of stainless or ceramic or whatever
[17:52:20] <anonimasu> I were referring to spindle :p
[17:52:34] <fenn> or if its a machine spindle
[17:52:48] <anonimasu> making one precise enough should be easy..
[17:53:07] <anonimasu> im pondering what kind of torque you can get from one
[17:53:08] <anonimasu> :)
[17:53:38] <fenn> it depends on disc area, diameter, flow rate, air temperature, etc etc etc
[17:54:35] <fenn> i recall tesla had problems with shearing the 1/2" steel turbine axle when running on steam (a 10 or 20 inch turbine, forget)
[17:55:04] <fenn> but steel was not as good back then
[17:55:15] <anonimasu> well, high rpm and _sane_ torque..
[17:55:23] <anonimasu> well, sane amount of air/size
[17:55:30] <anonimasu> enough to make light cuts in stuff..
[17:55:31] <anonimasu> :p
[17:55:38] <fenn> well, first of all, what is going to be supplying the compressed air?
[17:55:45] <anonimasu> a compressor?
[17:55:50] <fenn> how big of a compressor?
[17:56:06] <fenn> in kW or CFM*psi
[17:56:17] <anonimasu> enough..
[17:56:18] <anonimasu> :P
[17:56:22] <fenn> oh go on
[17:56:34] <anonimasu> I cant remember the figures.
[17:56:40] <fenn> you can make a turbine the size of the planet if you have enough compressed air to run it
[17:56:52] <anonimasu> yeah, not quite that big..
[17:57:16] <anonimasu> there's a 400l tank..
[17:57:24] <cradek> at what rpm does a turbine of earth diameter reach c at the edge?
[17:57:49] <fenn> 715
[17:57:58] <anonimasu> really?
[17:58:12] <alex_joni> anonimasu: imagine the earth spinning with more than 10 RPS
[17:58:20] <anonimasu> hehe
[17:59:21] <anonimasu> (I have no clue how normal airspindles work)
[17:59:48] <fenn> well, i'd suppose they have a compressor that is sized for continuous operation
[18:00:13] <alex_joni> usually oversized
[18:00:26] <fenn> yes, no specmanship here
[18:00:26] <anonimasu> ofcourse, but the motor part..
[18:01:07] <alex_joni> propeller, impeller, something the like
[18:01:16] <anonimasu> hehe
[18:07:42] <anonimasu> http://www.qsine.ca/070416/Default.php?title=Fast%20Spindle&dir=InCncHighSpeedSpindle
[18:13:31] <fenn> anyone know why you can't tig/mig weld with nitrogen?
[18:14:00] <archivist> not inert probably
[18:34:29] <alex_joni> fenn: nitrogen reacts with the arc
[18:34:53] <alex_joni> causing fusion defects, porosity and other problems
[18:36:04] <SWPadnos> heh:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=392074&cid=21738428
[18:37:46] <alex_joni> it's nitrogen and oxygen you're trying to keep out from the weld (using shielding gases)
[18:42:11] <anonimasu> -_-
[18:42:18] <anonimasu> the 5 axis stuff is really sweet!
[18:42:39] <anonimasu> good job
[19:05:29] <kjensen> Anyone have experience using vital systems motenc-100 (7581) under emc2? I had it working under the previous version, then cancelled the work. Now the work is back on and want to use EMC2.
[19:06:05] <kjensen> I have done the install and started troubleshooting, but I can not get the motenc-100 card to work under emc2.
[19:07:46] <alex_joni> kjensen: what is not working?
[19:08:35] <kjensen> I get an error message that says can not read buffer. I began investigating and noticed the 7581 is not on the supported hardware list.
[19:08:54] <Ziegler> doesnt montec have sample configs?
[19:09:00] <alex_joni> it should
[19:09:02] <Ziegler> motenc
[19:09:15] <kjensen> Hrm, i don't know if they do for emc2.
[19:09:32] <alex_joni> there is a sample config called motenc
[19:09:33] <Ziegler> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?EMC2_Supported_Hardware
[19:09:37] <alex_joni> try running it
[19:09:43] <kjensen> I did
[19:09:50] <alex_joni> kjensen: and it's not running?
[19:09:51] <kjensen> that one err'd out
[19:10:01] <alex_joni> maybe your card is not set up properly
[19:10:06] <kjensen> the basic one that is with the dapper bdi would not work
[19:10:17] <alex_joni> dapper bdi?
[19:10:21] <Ziegler> hehe
[19:10:28] <Juanjo> #msg nickserv help
[19:10:33] <SWPadnos> I think BDI here means "easy to install version"
[19:10:35] <alex_joni> Juanjo: try /
[19:10:41] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: ok, want to make sure :)
[19:10:41] <kjensen> Yes, the quick install version.
[19:10:47] <alex_joni> kjensen: recent one?
[19:10:54] <SWPadnos> always good to check :)
[19:10:55] <alex_joni> what's the emc version when you run it?
[19:11:01] <kjensen> Most recent one. We were using the older version and it worked.
[19:11:13] <SWPadnos> BDI or Ubuntu LiveCD?
[19:11:20] <SWPadnos> the older one
[19:11:21] <alex_joni> kjensen: ok.. open a terminal, and issue 'emc'
[19:11:28] <kjensen> Currently ubuntu version.
[19:11:31] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: bdi doesn't support motenc
[19:11:39] <SWPadnos> ok, I thought EMC1 had that
[19:11:57] <kjensen> I am not at the computer at the moment. I was just wondering if anyone had used it with EMC2.
[19:12:06] <alex_joni> or maybe it does?
[19:12:14] <alex_joni> kjensen: it should run
[19:12:23] <alex_joni> if not, we surely want to hear about it and fix it
[19:12:44] <kjensen> When I get back to the computer I will come back here to ask help. Thanks.
[19:12:59] <SWPadnos> make sure you have the full error message - it helps a lot ;)
[19:13:07] <kjensen> It was very ambiguous
[19:13:35] <kjensen> the srcipt ended saying - error motenc: can not read buffer
[19:13:35] <SWPadnos> it's possible that there's a problem with the NML file in that setup - there could be buffer-related messages for that
[19:13:42] <SWPadnos> hmm
[19:13:43] <alex_joni> kjensen: the first thing I'd check is if it's set up as card #0
[19:13:49] <alex_joni> iirc, it has some jumpers to do that
[19:14:16] <kjensen> yes it does. i will double check them. It was previously working under emc1. I assumed the config would still be the same.
[19:14:20] <alex_joni> kjensen: you tried the sample config from the livecd? or your older config?
[19:14:25] <SWPadnos> there's no instance of the word "buffer" in the motenc driver source
[19:14:30] <alex_joni> oh, no.. not at all
[19:14:36] <alex_joni> the configs are day & night different
[19:14:40] <kjensen> old config is not retrievable.
[19:14:45] <kjensen> this was using the new config
[19:15:01] <alex_joni> kjensen: ok, then it would be most usefull if you can come back when at the machine
[19:15:06] <kjensen> yes
[19:15:09] <kjensen> i agree. thanks
[19:15:12] <alex_joni> (and check the board id.. it needs to be 0)
[19:15:28] <kjensen> Thanks, i will make special note of that.
[19:17:41] <Ziegler> is that a servo driver board?
[19:17:47] <SWPadnos> yes
[19:18:09] <alex_joni> Ziegler: a pretty -$$- nice one
[19:18:18] <alex_joni> (too bad IRC doesn't have strikethrough..)
[19:18:26] <Ziegler> (it came through on my end)
[19:18:27] <SWPadnos> hmmm - is the 7581 an 8-axis version?
[19:18:32] <kjensen> yes
[19:18:38] <SWPadnos> cool
[19:20:14] <SWPadnos> hmmm. I wonder if that one will work
[19:21:13] <Ziegler> is the MOTENC-Lite any good?
[19:21:28] <alex_joni> sure.. just a bit smaller than the big one
[19:21:32] <alex_joni> only 4axes iirc
[19:21:55] <SWPadnos> with fewer calories
[19:22:15] <alex_joni> they'll eventually release a Motenc-ZERO
[19:22:23] <Ziegler> does vital systems sell drivers for it, or could you use gecko drivers?
[19:22:26] <JymmmEMC> arooo
[19:22:29] <SWPadnos> right, with ZERO CARBS!!!
[19:22:36] <Ziegler> lol
[19:22:42] <SWPadnos> not for geckos, it has analog outputs
[19:22:54] <alex_joni> Ziegler: you "might" use geckos, but you need to hack them
[19:23:00] <alex_joni> losing warranty & all
[19:23:01] <SWPadnos> it's meant for torque or velocity (or current/voltage) servo amps
[19:23:07] <SWPadnos> heh
[19:23:13] <SWPadnos> lift pin 2 of U3 or something like that
[19:23:17] <SWPadnos> and play with the scaling
[19:23:51] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: since carbs can be converted to calories, and calories (eventually) be converted to watts... I say GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR!
[19:24:04] <SWPadnos> err, right. I think I'll get more coffee now
[19:24:29] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: lift pin, and attach wire to it :)
[19:24:39] <SWPadnos> details, details
[19:24:56] <JymmmEMC> If ya can't dazzle em with brilliance, baffle em with bullshit!
[19:25:01] <alex_joni> maybe it's a hypertransport, wireless, analogue link
[19:25:06] <SWPadnos> Right on, Bullwinkle
[19:25:13] <alex_joni> well.. bbl
[19:25:16] <SWPadnos> see you
[19:25:59] <alex_joni> wonder if it's a good idea to play tennis with a big cold
[19:26:12] <SWPadnos> how would a cold play tennins?
[19:26:20] <SWPadnos> should be an easy opponent
[19:26:26] <archivist> splat
[19:26:29] <alex_joni> funny.. not really
[19:26:38] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: I have the person I'm subleasing rackspace from goin ape-shit on me becasue I haven't setup SNMPD yet, But once I get that completed, I can return to finding a damn BOB to order.
[19:26:48] <alex_joni> but at least it's consequent with JymmmEMC's remark
[19:27:09] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has a new DNS name:
http://alex.joni.ro/
[19:27:39] <Ziegler> where are you from alex_joni?
[19:27:56] <alex_joni> Ziegler: the .ro might be a hint
[19:28:04] <JymmmEMC> Transilvania!
[19:28:09] <Ziegler> it is... cant remember what ro is
[19:28:11] <Ziegler> romania?
[19:28:16] <alex_joni> yup\
[19:28:17] <Ziegler> rome?
[19:28:19] <Ziegler> ok
[19:28:25] <SWPadnos> JymmmEMC, ok, no rush
[19:28:34] <JymmmEMC> rome would be .it for italy
[19:28:40] <Ziegler> ahh duhh.
[19:28:55] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: It's only been 8months, whats another 6 months
[19:29:06] <SWPadnos> <50% of the total
[19:29:46] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Shit, I aint pleased with any of the ones I've found... it's now a matter of choosing the least evil one
[19:30:16] <SWPadnos> I don't think you'll find one that has the exact features you want *and* that you're willing to shell out the money for
[19:30:28] <JymmmEMC> * JymmmEMC aint a happy camper.
[19:30:34] <SWPadnos> heh
[19:30:36] <SWPadnos> we knew that
[19:30:56] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: If they would just put out somethign decent, I wouldn't mind shell out a few bucks
[19:31:13] <SWPadnos> like $200
[19:31:26] <JymmmEMC> sure, if it's good.
[19:31:32] <SWPadnos> ok, I'll get right on it :)
[19:31:40] <Dalran> * Dalran digs out soldering iron.
[19:31:57] <SWPadnos> heh - hey Dalran, are you in Vermont?
[19:32:03] <Dalran> we are.
[19:32:13] <Ziegler> 'we'
[19:32:16] <SWPadnos> indeed. whereabouts?
[19:32:26] <Dalran> burlington area.
[19:32:33] <SWPadnos> oh. do you know Bryan?
[19:32:39] <Dalran> nope.
[19:32:42] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[19:32:43] <Dalran> don't think I now anyone here.
[19:32:44] <SWPadnos> ok :)
[19:32:46] <JymmmEMC> idiot lights are always good for diagnosing. so is the ability to use a shielded data cable, 15A relays, on board power supplies (plural), nice docs, optoisolated.
[19:33:01] <SWPadnos> ah. I'm in Essex Junction, so we're close by
[19:33:16] <Dalran> aahh. not far from me then. Colchester, out on the point.
[19:33:19] <SWPadnos> don't forget the pluggable terminal strips
[19:33:24] <SWPadnos> cool
[19:33:30] <Dalran> working on building my first cnc machine.
[19:33:32] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: yep
[19:33:44] <SWPadnos> me too (but "working" might be a bit too strong a word :) )
[19:33:45] <Dalran> at the same time designing a usb interfaced control circuit.
[19:34:05] <SWPadnos> well, have fun :)
[19:34:11] <JymmmEMC> USB and RealTime dont play nice together
[19:34:13] <Dalran> reading through the HAL docs to see if I can write a module for it.
[19:34:23] <SWPadnos> probably not, but then again, maybe
[19:34:29] <Dalran> yea. Might have to put a lot of the realtime responses right on the controller.
[19:34:32] <SWPadnos> you can't use normal Linux device drivers in HAL
[19:34:33] <Dalran> I do a lot of AVR work.
[19:34:40] <SWPadnos> cool. where do you work>
[19:34:42] <SWPadnos> ?
[19:34:50] <Dalran> Rite Aid Pharmacy for a living.
[19:34:53] <SWPadnos> heh
[19:35:22] <Dalran> I do some avr design work for fun and extra spending money here and there.
[19:36:09] <SWPadnos> cool. I've got an EE/programming consulting business, and know several of the embedded shops around
[19:36:16] <Dalran> oh?
[19:36:18] <SWPadnos> wasn't sure if we might have et before
[19:36:20] <SWPadnos> met
[19:36:26] <Dalran> I'm only in the area for another 6 months or so.
[19:36:33] <Dalran> then moving to the midwest.
[19:36:40] <SWPadnos> oh. then I'd wait to build that CNC - they can be a pain to move :)
[19:36:41] <Dalran> I don't talk with many people locally.
[19:36:56] <SWPadnos> heh
[19:37:03] <Dalran> it's not going to be very big. Maybe 8x8 inch work area.
[19:37:15] <SWPadnos> ah, that's transportable
[19:37:28] <Dalran> first gen is also not going to be really one of the more precise things.
[19:37:34] <Dalran> it's mostly a learning experience.
[19:38:30] <SWPadnos> I guess I'm more used to moving Bridgeports and large-ish lathes around :)
[19:39:08] <Dalran> I didn't realize anybody even had any decent embedded shops in this area.
[19:39:20] <Dalran> not much of anything else around here.
[19:39:29] <SWPadnos> hah!
[19:39:37] <SWPadnos> you're obviously from some big city :)
[19:40:12] <skunkworks> circuit board milling?
[19:40:25] <Dalran> grew up in the backwoods of north carolina
[19:40:38] <Dalran> to me kansas city is the big city.
[19:41:08] <Dalran> I just like having things like pawn shops and junk yards around.
[19:41:48] <SWPadnos> there are only a few junkyards I know about, and I think the pawn shop closed 20 years ago
[19:41:52] <SWPadnos> there may be another one
[19:42:06] <Dalran> I haven't found it..hehe
[19:42:10] <SWPadnos> what I do wish we had was a good industrial surplus place - I think the closest is Manchester NH
[19:42:17] <Dalran> yea.
[19:42:32] <Dalran> even the junkyard is snotty here.
[19:42:34] <Dalran> err
[19:42:38] <Dalran> not junkyard, the dump
[19:42:49] <SWPadnos> do you mean Recycle North?
[19:42:53] <SWPadnos> or the actual dump
[19:42:56] <Dalran> they had a pallette of old inkjet printers that I would have taken off their hands.
[19:43:03] <Dalran> but noooo.
[19:43:13] <Dalran> they contain hazardous chemicals and heavy metals. they are toxic waste.
[19:43:22] <Dalran> the dump.
[19:43:25] <Dalran> over there in essex
[19:43:47] <SWPadnos> ah, on RT 2 (near 189)?
[19:43:50] <Dalran> yes.
[19:44:09] <Dalran> guy yelled at me when I was going to take a nokia phone out of the barrel. the displays are well documented.
[19:44:15] <SWPadnos> heh
[19:44:58] <Dalran> I've been playing with remelting cases from inkjet printers
[19:44:59] <SWPadnos> you could say that environmental considerations are somewhat elevated here
[19:45:18] <Dalran> I could say the NIMBYs should be shot as a general rule and the eco nazis have taken over.
[19:45:50] <SWPadnos> I could say that reckless idiots who don't know what they're doing to me should be shot and the ultra-capitalists have taken over :)
[19:45:58] <Dalran> that too.
[19:46:25] <SWPadnos> 6=1, 1/2 dozen=other
[19:46:50] <Dalran> was talking to some guy from the northeast kingdom about the windfarm they want to put up there.
[19:46:56] <Dalran> he was complaining that it would ruin the view.
[19:47:08] <SWPadnos> yeah, that would be nice - people have to get over it :)
[19:47:09] <Dalran> my response was, what about the acid rain from the coal plants ruining the view?
[19:47:26] <SWPadnos> yeah. Hmmm - some trees or no trees - take your pick
[19:47:43] <Dalran> yup
[19:47:53] <ds2> one bamboo grove, please!
[19:48:05] <Dalran> bamboo don't grow here too well.
[19:48:13] <ds2> where is here?
[19:48:17] <SWPadnos> maybe in a hydroponic farm
[19:48:18] <Dalran> vermont
[19:48:25] <SWPadnos> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=05452
[19:48:28] <ds2> there are suppose to be some that will grow there
[19:48:43] <SWPadnos> oh hey - it's up to 20 now
[19:48:50] <Dalran> SWPadnos, so, you have an actual shop or something out there?
[19:49:00] <SWPadnos> sort of, but it's not CNC at the moment
[19:49:17] <Dalran> I have the day off and am bored.
[19:49:23] <Dalran> and it's too cold to work in the garage.
[19:49:35] <SWPadnos> same here (about the garage)
[19:49:37] <Dalran> and the wife won't let me cut wood in the living room.
[19:49:40] <ds2> you need a winter machine for the kitchen ;)
[19:49:54] <SWPadnos> come on over - do you know where the coffee shop Sacred Grounds is?
[19:50:04] <ds2> how about a little taig lathe on the dining room table?
[19:50:08] <Dalran> no, but if you got an address I can find it.
[19:50:34] <SWPadnos> how about the Lang Farm Center - the shopping center with Hannaford that's just off 289?
[19:50:38] <Dalran> can probably find sacred grounds.
[19:50:58] <Dalran> essex outlet shops area?
[19:51:01] <SWPadnos> yep
[19:51:06] <Dalran> know where that's at.
[19:51:30] <SWPadnos> there's a smaller strip-mall-like thing on Essex Way - kind of across from the post office. Sacred Grounds is in there
[19:51:37] <Dalran> ok.
[19:51:40] <SWPadnos> next to the new construction
[19:52:16] <SWPadnos> can you be there in 20 minutes to 1/2 hour? they close at 4:00
[19:52:32] <Dalran> probably not.
[19:52:35] <SWPadnos> heh
[19:52:37] <Dalran> at least a half hour from here.
[19:52:45] <Dalran> without the snow on the roads.
[19:53:21] <SWPadnos> hmmm. true, I guess you'd need to drive by the Colchester high school, then up to Suzie Wilson Road to get to 289
[19:53:22] <Dalran> you in that area then?
[19:53:27] <Dalran> yup.
[19:53:40] <Dalran> right now past the high school is a bear.
[19:53:46] <SWPadnos> yep, I live just off route 15, between the 5 corners and the outlet shops
[19:53:47] <Dalran> school just letting out now.
[19:53:54] <SWPadnos> ugh - how soon I forget
[19:54:10] <Dalran> aahh well. maybe another day.
[19:54:24] <SWPadnos> yep - that'll probably work better
[19:54:38] <anonimasu> iab
[19:55:52] <anonimasu> Dalran: im very curious to why you would want to do it over usb..
[19:56:18] <SWPadnos> heh - "because everyone likes USB and it's on every computer" ...
[19:56:34] <archivist> parports dissapearing on new motherboards
[19:56:49] <anonimasu> there will be parport pci cards around forever..
[19:56:50] <anonimasu> :)
[19:57:04] <archivist> so you think
[19:57:13] <SWPadnos> there are PCIe parport cards
[19:57:26] <Ziegler> * Ziegler wants to use fire wire... just to be different
[19:57:37] <Dalran> anonimasu, a lot of new computers don't have serial or parallel ports.
[19:57:38] <anonimasu> I think we should be more afraid of the microsoft drm stuff.. that will prevent us from booting linux..
[19:57:41] <SWPadnos> at some point, they'll be more expensive than a Mesa card, but right now they aren't
[19:57:45] <Dalran> specially notebooks.
[19:57:55] <SWPadnos> notebooks are generally unusable for realtime
[19:58:00] <anonimasu> Dalran: they suck for realtime stuff so that's not a big issue
[19:58:20] <Karl1> Wandering if anyone has used EMC to connect to the OPTO22 I/O system ... MESA Anything PCI card with 50 pin connector seeems to mate with OPTO22's brainboards
[19:58:25] <archivist> if the realtime is in an fpga on the usb card
[19:58:32] <Dalran> this notebook is as powerful as all but one other computers in this house. and I have like 8 machines here.
[19:58:47] <anonimasu> Dalran: cpu power dosent matter really
[19:58:59] <anonimasu> what chipset you have matters more for realtime latency
[19:59:04] <SWPadnos> Karl1, there's a Mesa driver in EMC, and as long as the OPTO22 board you use is configured for the I/O split (16 in, 8 out), it should work
[19:59:18] <Dalran> this is why I would move the realtime response stuff out to the controller.
[19:59:49] <SWPadnos> also, you generally can't disable power saving and other system management bus functions on a laptop, so you can get very long "burps" where the RT code just doesn't run
[20:00:10] <SWPadnos> on the order of 1/4 second or more, and that's too long even if you have a smart USB controller
[20:00:22] <SWPadnos> (I've seen something like 750 ms even)
[20:00:25] <Ziegler> Are any of your guys involved in the development of the RT kernel?
[20:00:35] <archivist> ram on the controller to contain a second of work
[20:00:58] <SWPadnos> I don't think any of us have contributed to RTAI (or Ingo's RT patchsets), if that's what you're asking
[20:01:15] <Karl1> thx SWPadnos, just wandered if I was re-inventing the wheel(HAL files) or venturing into virgin territory
[20:02:04] <SWPadnos> shouldn't be. that's not a HAL thing anyway - it's more a question of compatibility between the OPTO22 board and the Mesa connectors :)
[20:03:01] <Karl1> yeh, just would like to see if anyone else is trying this to shave off some development time
[20:10:19] <Dalran> well, I'm still gonna work on it. See if I can do something with it.
[20:11:04] <SWPadnos> take a look at the G-Rex from geckodrive
[20:11:20] <SWPadnos> also the ncpod, and arcnc-100
[20:11:25] <SWPadnos> (I think)
[20:12:33] <SWPadnos> I believe there are others as well. they all have a problem working in the EMC2 world, because EMC2 is meant to use realtime feedback, and the others are just step/direction open-loop systems
[20:12:53] <Dalran> hmmm.
[20:13:24] <Dalran> I'm looking more at something for the beginner level person that anybody can build for under 50 USD.
[20:13:35] <Dalran> start with 3 axis and work my way out from there.
[20:13:35] <SWPadnos> making something that you can just spit velocities out to is pretty easy, and you can also buffer a few commands
[20:13:48] <Dalran> yup.
[20:13:51] <SWPadnos> when you want realtime control of the feed rate, for example (which EMC2 provides), it gets harder
[20:14:21] <SWPadnos> and that's when the 1 KHz USB packet rate starts to get you into trouble
[20:15:01] <archivist> is that usb 1 or is usb 2 better
[20:15:22] <Dalran> usb2 is better but for the first gen I'm doing bitbanged usb 1 on an avr
[20:15:25] <SWPadnos> USB2 still has a 1 KHz packet clock, but each packet has 8 "microframes"
[20:15:40] <Dalran> there is still the usb latency issue though.
[20:15:50] <SWPadnos> I'm not sure how dynamically you can change the contents of each microframe
[20:16:11] <SWPadnos> also, remember that you can't use the normal device drivers, you'd have to start with RTUSB
[20:16:17] <SWPadnos> or something like it
[20:16:24] <Dalran> true.
[20:16:58] <Dalran> once I get to the live feedback world.
[20:17:02] <SWPadnos> heh
[20:17:38] <SWPadnos> you still want bidirectional data transfer though, so EMC can see how many steps have been output, for example
[20:18:01] <Dalran> found an interesting page for a build it yourself machine that I might copy and modify for the fun of it.
http://buildyourcnc.com/latest.aspx
[20:18:34] <Dalran> yes...if I do it as an HID device I can get pretty decent 2 way.
[20:18:50] <SWPadnos> but you can't use the normal driver ... :)
[20:19:24] <Dalran> will have to look into the rtusb driver development.
[20:19:52] <SWPadnos> unless you do something like adding a userspace driver to the sim version of EMC2, so it can actually run a machine
[20:20:04] <SWPadnos> but don't tell anyone I gave you the idea, because it's a bad one :)
[20:20:11] <Dalran> hehe.
[20:20:20] <Dalran> userspace driver wouldn't be difficult.
[20:22:33] <Dalran> I'm guessing a usb interfaced system is going to be considerably slower than parallel.
[20:22:49] <SWPadnos> yes and no
[20:23:00] <SWPadnos> USB can carry a lot more data, but latency is a killer
[20:23:02] <Dalran> unless the controller has a lot of onboard logic.
[20:23:04] <Dalran> yes.
[20:23:56] <JymmmEMC> stupid polling
[20:24:18] <SWPadnos> what - just got a political phone call?
[20:24:19] <Dalran> atmega8515 with 256K of external sram to store commands.
[20:24:36] <SWPadnos> just use an AT91SAM7x
[20:24:50] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: No, the biggest issue with USB... latency due to it pollling all 256 devices
[20:24:54] <Dalran> I'm an avr fan myself.
[20:24:55] <archivist> maybe an fpga to deal with rate feedback in realtime
[20:24:56] <SWPadnos> it's got USB and 256k RAM, and it's not much more expensive (it may be less expensive)
[20:25:08] <SWPadnos> JymmmEMC, that's not the way it works
[20:25:31] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Maybe not, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
[20:25:34] <anonimasu> that'd be a stupid design..
[20:25:36] <anonimasu> :)
[20:25:41] <SWPadnos> it's got latency problems because there are only 1000 packets transmitted per second
[20:26:11] <SWPadnos> so if you get some data, then process it and send a command based on that data, you have a minimum latency of 1 ms for the command
[20:26:24] <SWPadnos> and it's more likely to be 2 ms
[20:26:24] <anonimasu> Dalran: seriously, you should develop some cheap and good servodrives..
[20:26:26] <anonimasu> :P
[20:26:51] <SWPadnos> and that assumes that you have no clock skew, which will make it so there are two USB packets between CPU interrupts sometimes, and none other times
[20:26:56] <JymmmEMC> Dalran: and by cheap, anonimasu means under $50 for three.
[20:27:00] <Dalran> not sure what you mean exactly anonimasu
[20:27:00] <anonimasu> yeah..
[20:27:11] <SWPadnos> the power unit that runs the motor :)
[20:27:23] <anonimasu> start building something that's actually useful
[20:27:37] <anonimasu> sorry if that's harsh ^^
[20:28:03] <JymmmEMC> * JymmmEMC is off to get some eyeballs!
[20:28:24] <anonimasu> Dalran: re-implementing part of emc on a avr and fpga isnt really useful..(might be for you)
[20:28:32] <anonimasu> but the casual hobbyist dosent have the stuff to do that kind of things
[20:28:43] <Dalran> I'm not talking about fpga
[20:28:45] <Dalran> just avr
[20:29:28] <anonimasu> drives are the major $ issue for all people :P
[20:30:18] <anonimasu> Dalran: are you going to implement the tc/tp on the avr?
[20:30:30] <anonimasu> or maybe the whole g-code interpreter?
[20:30:56] <Dalran> not sure yet.
[20:31:03] <Dalran> this is why I'm here to learn and get feedback.
[20:31:45] <Dalran> g-code I'm familiar with..not sure what tc/tp is
[20:31:55] <anonimasu> trajectory planning
[20:32:00] <anonimasu> the stuff that makes g-code into motion
[20:32:16] <anonimasu> well, after the intereter.. (and whatever goes inbetween)
[20:32:22] <Dalran> aahh.
[20:34:26] <anonimasu> did anyone make any parts lately?
[20:35:34] <Dalran> what is needed for a servodrive? what kind of current and voltage range? what kind of feedback do you need?
[20:35:43] <Dalran> just trying to get a handle on what's needed/wanted.
[20:36:00] <anonimasu> perferably a scaleable design
[20:36:44] <anonimasu> 50w - 1.5kw..
[20:36:45] <anonimasu> :P
[20:37:00] <anonimasu> I think skunkworks has a nice one..
[20:37:06] <anonimasu> but I cant remember the url
[20:37:10] <anonimasu> skunkworks: wake u
[20:37:11] <anonimasu> p
[20:38:40] <Dalran> I'm using some relatively small steppers for this one Im working on..5V 1A, 1.8deg/step. Yes, I know, not very powerful.
[20:39:11] <anonimasu> or stepper drives would be useful, but I think getting a fairly good servodrive would be easier
[20:39:19] <anonimasu> getting/building
[20:40:03] <Dalran> stepper drivers are easy to build. Specially for the class steppers that I have here.
[20:40:18] <anonimasu> you mean stick a allegro on there and be done?
[20:40:23] <Dalran> that too.
[20:40:26] <anonimasu> you want midband resonance damping and stuff.
[20:40:37] <anonimasu> there are more then a few failed attempts at it..
[20:42:34] <anonimasu> ^_^
[20:42:39] <Dalran> am playing with a way of driving and sensing a stepper at the same time for these steppers. 2 center tapped coils on them. Will only be able to do full step but by watching the coil that's not being driven I can get feedback as to whether the motor actually moved or not. No idea if this is going to be useful for this project but it's good learning experience.
[20:44:25] <archivist> look at the back emf of the driven
[21:06:11] <Gamma-X2> anyone got a used vfd or phase converter for sale?
[21:14:57] <anonimasu> Gamma-X2: wake up..
[21:14:58] <anonimasu> :)
[21:18:25] <Gamma-X2> hi
[21:18:28] <Gamma-X2> hey!
[21:18:31] <Gamma-X2> lol
[21:18:35] <anonimasu> pm..
[21:18:38] <anonimasu> I've messaged you
[21:44:07] <Juanjo> Juanjo is now known as juanjo
[22:06:21] <Gamma-X2> anyone alive?
[22:06:48] <SWPadnos> hard to tell, we could just be very well-written AI programs
[22:07:19] <SWPadnos> or in some cases, not so well written
[22:07:33] <Gamma-X2> true
[22:07:38] <Dalran> * Dalran resembles that remark.
[22:07:54] <Gamma-X2> SWPadnos u ever cut threads on a mill?
[22:08:08] <SWPadnos> only on the Mazak, and it wasn't me
[22:08:16] <Gamma-X2> hard?
[22:09:06] <SWPadnos> are you talking about threading or threadmilling?
[22:09:12] <SWPadnos> err - tapping or threadmilling
[22:09:27] <Gamma-X2> thread milling
[22:09:40] <SWPadnos> oh, never done it or seen it done, except in web videos
[22:10:29] <Ziegler> I attempted it Gamma-X2
[22:10:48] <Ziegler> single point tool
[22:11:23] <Gamma-X2> Ziegler how hard is it?
[22:11:30] <Ziegler> not very
[22:11:48] <Gamma-X2> how hard is single point thread milling?
[22:11:53] <Ziegler> just gotta make sure no backlash
[22:12:07] <Ziegler> single point thread milling is not very hard
[22:12:08] <Gamma-X2> backlash meaning?
[22:12:57] <Ziegler> when you mill a circle... is it a circle, or is it mishapped... with flats
[22:13:44] <Ziegler> ?
[22:14:18] <Ziegler> backlash.... or run out... the play you have in your drive screw when changing directions
[22:14:29] <Gamma-X2> oh
[22:15:12] <Ziegler> are you using ball screws?
[22:16:01] <Ziegler> ping Gamma-X2
[22:16:04] <Ziegler> oops
[22:17:09] <Ziegler> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ1rYX559Gk
[22:17:25] <Ziegler> (not my video)
[22:21:56] <Ziegler> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCHQLFZHHJc&NR=1 << ~38 seconds oh my....:-\
[22:22:16] <eric__u> we got a christmas card from one of our old neighbors in Utah, turns out the neighbor across the street from our old house killed his wife and tried to make it look like she drowned in the bathtub
[22:22:54] <Ziegler> :-\
[22:24:24] <Dalran> broke that bit good.
[22:27:36] <Ziegler> sure did
[22:30:39] <eric__u> I was moving the table on my mill last night, when the motors started up the first time, they kinda bumped
[22:30:53] <eric__u> but then I was switching directions, and it never re-occurred
[22:31:01] <SWPadnos> steppers or servos?
[22:31:06] <eric__u> brushless servos
[22:31:11] <SWPadnos> hmm
[22:31:27] <eric__u> I'll have to play with it some more
[22:31:45] <eric__u> if it only does it on startup, the homing sequence should get me past it
[22:31:59] <cradek> wtf youtube:
http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/cnc.png
[22:32:01] <SWPadnos> it's possible that the servo drive needs to tweak the motor a little bit to see how the commutation needs to be done
[22:32:19] <eric__u> that's what I was thinking, but it confuses me
[22:32:19] <SWPadnos> oooh - playboy model shooting guns!
[22:33:19] <eric__u> that's related because everyone knows that playboy models lust after people who have cnc machines
[22:33:47] <Dalran> or at least reciprocating saws
[22:33:51] <eric__u> that's second after rich 85 year old men
[22:34:15] <Ziegler> probably... guys who are watching cnc videos area also watching the other videos
[22:34:52] <eric__u> they don't even bother to put "cnc machines" in the "turn ons" section of the centerfold
[22:35:08] <eric__u> it's just so well known
[22:35:33] <archivist> cnc==geek porn
[22:35:53] <Dalran> "ooooo...ahhhh...put that bit in the hole again! again!"
[22:36:28] <eric__u> I never really associated guns with cnc, but that's probably just personal bias
[22:37:09] <Ziegler> eric__u: most of what I associate cnc's with is guns
[22:37:37] <Dalran> the better to make the little bits with.
[22:37:59] <eric__u> I noticed there are a lot of people associated with emc that work on guns
[22:38:03] <SWPadnos> I think a lot of hobbyists use CNC to do things with guns - like engraving gunstocks or rifling barrles
[22:38:12] <SWPadnos> barrels
[22:38:26] <eric__u> how do you rifle a barrel?
[22:38:30] <Ziegler> hehe
[22:38:33] <SWPadnos> with a lathe :)
[22:38:45] <SWPadnos> and boring bar, I guess
[22:38:46] <Ziegler> welll....
[22:38:47] <Gamma-X2> u knoww hat sucks
[22:38:56] <Gamma-X2> u buy a cnc mill to find out u need a cnc laithe
[22:39:02] <SWPadnos> heh
[22:39:12] <SWPadnos> "Honey, why do you need a lathe?"
[22:39:19] <SWPadnos> "to make parts for the CNC"
[22:39:29] <SWPadnos> "well then why do you need a CNC?"
[22:39:31] <Ziegler> Gamma-X2: why do you need a lathe for?
[22:39:41] <SWPadnos> "err - back to your quilting, woman!"
[22:40:20] <eric__u> my wife has no expensive hobbies other than spending money
[22:40:38] <Dalran> being a wife IS an expensive hobby.
[22:40:50] <archivist> * archivist went for the cheap option, no wife
[22:41:06] <SWPadnos> heh - went for the "cheap" wife :)
[22:41:06] <Gamma-X2> Ziegler to create a body for a digitizer
[22:41:13] <eric__u> as long as you go for the no kids option, that works
[22:41:24] <Ziegler> nah Gamma-X2 you can use a mill for most of that.
[22:41:26] <SWPadnos> doesn't like gold or diamonds, or lacy curtains, or spending tons on furniture :)
[22:41:29] <Gamma-X2> dalran ur a wife?
[22:41:41] <Gamma-X2> ziegler making threads to a precise measurement?
[22:41:43] <Dalran> nope, but I have one of them sitting here beside me.
[22:41:51] <Gamma-X2> tell her I said hi.
[22:42:10] <Ziegler> Guys gotta keep in mind... if you have thre right wife... she can just free up lots of your time to devout to cnc stuff
[22:42:28] <Ziegler> ziegler making threads to a precise measurement... what does that have to do with a digitizer?
[22:42:36] <eric__u> Ziegler: that would be true if we hadn't had those kids
[22:42:38] <archivist> I got told I should never marry because the first thing I would do is take her to bits
[22:42:51] <Ziegler> eric__u: (I have 3 myself so far)
[22:43:26] <eric__u> Ziegler: if necessary, we can explain how to stop that from happening :)
[22:43:39] <SWPadnos> heh
[22:44:03] <eric__u> archivist: nobody told me that, but they probably should have
[22:44:06] <Dalran> definition: child- a sexually transmitted terminal disease that costs lots of money.
[22:44:21] <eric__u> I disassemble just about everything I buy
[22:44:34] <SWPadnos> or as Dave Barry wrote "Babies, and other hazards of sex"
[22:44:40] <Ziegler> nah... not done yet... doc asked me if I wanted to get fixed the other day... I just cant imagine purposefully plugging up perfectly good plumbing
[22:45:41] <eric__u> I'm glad I had kids, but it sure cuts into the free time
[22:46:45] <eric__u> tomp2: you ever looked at Omron drives?
[22:47:38] <Ziegler> Gamma-X2: making threads to a precise measurement... what does that have to do with a digitizer?
[22:48:02] <SWPadnos> eric__u, the Omron AC servo drives look like rebranded Yaskawas to me
[22:48:24] <eric__u> they are, but I'm trying to find info about the cross reference
[22:48:32] <SWPadnos> ah
[22:48:35] <eric__u> the only manuals I've found are in japanese
[22:48:58] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[22:49:12] <SWPadnos> what type of connector is used for the encoder feedback? (serial or FireWire style)
[22:49:13] <eric__u> I tried to snipe some this moring, but ebay decided I needed to log in again and I ran out of time
[22:49:26] <eric__u> its a 3m connector
[22:49:39] <SWPadnos> hmmm. it may be an older drive then
[22:49:58] <eric__u> the ones I want are a little older
[22:50:04] <eric__u> '90s
[22:50:21] <SWPadnos> well, the SGDA drives from Yaskawa are that old, I think
[22:50:56] <eric__u> right, but there are step/dir and analog command varieties
[22:51:05] <SWPadnos> can you link to a photo of your drive type here?
[22:51:08] <eric__u> you gotta choose up front
[22:51:11] <SWPadnos> the ones I have can do either
[22:51:14] <SWPadnos> ah
[22:51:24] <eric__u> which drives do you have?
[22:51:44] <SWPadnos> Yaskawa SGDH - they're pretty recent (still in production)
[22:52:01] <eric__u> I thought SGDH came in P or S
[22:52:10] <SWPadnos> I don't think so
[22:52:15] <eric__u> P being step/direction and S being analog
[22:52:33] <SWPadnos> I'm pretty sure I can use either, but not absolutely positive
[22:52:51] <maddash> miss me, guys?
[22:52:55] <SWPadnos> nope
[22:53:02] <maddash> :(
[22:53:03] <SWPadnos> uh - yeah, where have you been? :)
[22:53:09] <eric__u> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=350003962961
[22:53:17] <alex_joni> maddash: tons
[22:53:29] <maddash> SWPadnos: been swarmed by classes
[22:53:54] <maddash> it's finals week, so I can finally have the time to hang out with my CNC and you guys
[22:54:08] <alex_joni> cradek: consider yourself lucky.. I got this as a related video on threading with a mill
[22:54:11] <alex_joni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vOgOwwx8ms&NR=1
[22:54:36] <Dalran> oh that's gross!
[22:54:44] <eric__u> the hoods on the connectors in that auction I posted cost almost $50
[22:54:45] <SWPadnos> ick
[22:55:02] <SWPadnos> hmmm. they look a lot like serial connections to me, at least for the encoder (bottom connector)
[22:55:03] <maddash> brb let me go scratch my eyes out
[22:55:33] <Dalran> I need to wash my monitor with lye soap now!
[22:55:48] <eric__u> I guess I'm glad that flash doesn't work on this computer
[22:56:09] <alex_joni> ha.. vismach.y on steroids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZlcTSFW2ds&feature=related
[23:01:49] <lerneaen_hydra> hey all. is the a doublestep config in one of the 2.2.x included configs?
[23:02:10] <alex_joni> lerneaen_hydra: only if you set up a new one with stepconf
[23:02:17] <lerneaen_hydra> ah, ok
[23:02:32] <lerneaen_hydra> what about documentation on the wiki?
[23:04:55] <alex_joni> I think the html docs have what you need
[23:05:01] <alex_joni> www.linuxcnc.org/docview/
[23:05:06] <lerneaen_hydra> ah, thanks
[23:11:14] <maddash> [sigh] X is leaking memory again
[23:12:12] <lerneaen_hydra> alex_joni, hmm, I can't seem to find anything in the html docs
[23:14:09] <Gamma-X2> i need someones advice on threads
[23:14:26] <Gamma-X2> whos the best for that
[23:14:55] <Gamma-X2> size and pitch of threads
[23:15:16] <alex_joni> Gamma-X2: google is the best one
[23:15:33] <Gamma-X2> wow.
[23:15:39] <Gamma-X2> thats a great idea!
[23:17:06] <alex_joni> lerneaen_hydra: hmm
[23:17:24] <lerneaen_hydra> maybe I just couldn't find it
[23:17:49] <alex_joni> * alex_joni can't find anything either
[23:17:58] <Gamma-X2> lol
[23:18:12] <alex_joni> lerneaen_hydra:
http://axis.unpy.net/01188134101
[23:19:04] <lerneaen_hydra> maybe that should be copied to some other documentation places too ;)
[23:19:10] <maddash> whaa? 2x steprate/
[23:19:10] <maddash> ?
[23:20:07] <lerneaen_hydra> as well as some more descriptive samples? please?
[23:20:09] <lerneaen_hydra> pretty please?
[23:20:18] <alex_joni> lerneaen_hydra: bug jeff ;)
[23:20:35] <alex_joni> I bet he did add it..
[23:20:40] <alex_joni> I just can't find it
[23:20:54] <lerneaen_hydra> most likely
[23:21:41] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/2.2/html//hal_drivers.html#r1_1_3 <- parport stuff
[23:22:52] <lerneaen_hydra> hmm I don't see anything that explicitly activates doublestep there
[23:22:54] <lerneaen_hydra> only two lines
[23:23:09] <lerneaen_hydra> though that may be enough
[23:23:18] <lerneaen_hydra> come to think of it
[23:23:50] <alex_joni> so.. you need to add parport.0.reset to the thread (in the right place0
[23:24:01] <alex_joni> you need to activate stepgen doublestep
[23:24:11] <alex_joni> then define which pins should go low after the reset
[23:24:16] <Gamma-X2> anyone good with circuity?
[23:24:20] <alex_joni> and the time to wait before resetting
[23:24:53] <lerneaen_hydra> hmm shouldn't those lines be put somewhere on the documenation page?
[23:25:06] <lerneaen_hydra> I can only see the lines for reset time and which pins are to be reset
[23:25:38] <alex_joni> http://axis.unpy.net/files/01188134101/testreset-rev2
[23:25:50] <lerneaen_hydra> ah
[23:27:23] <lerneaen_hydra> would I be right in saying that these pins are the ones needed in an existing setup?
http://pastebin.ca/822789
[23:29:10] <alex_joni> yes, probably
[23:29:36] <alex_joni> off to bed for me
[23:29:39] <alex_joni> night all
[23:29:42] <lerneaen_hydra> laters
[23:30:16] <Gamma-X2> whats the easiest way of gettin a picture to be cut on a cnc
[23:30:25] <Gamma-X2> such as a /jpg of a circuit board?
[23:30:55] <maddash> is it possible to use emc2 to control both the XYZ-stepper motions and the tool speed independently?
[23:31:47] <lerneaen_hydra> I don't see how tool speed can be independant of XYZ position
[23:31:57] <lerneaen_hydra> or rather XYZ velocity
[23:32:09] <maddash> lerneaen_hydra: tool speed, as in how fast that drill bit is spinning
[23:32:17] <lerneaen_hydra> oh spindle speed
[23:32:54] <lerneaen_hydra> I don't think you can define the speed to follow linear or other curves, you can just set it to a certain value
[23:33:06] <maddash> emc accomodates the pulses that are needed to control the spindle speed, right?
[23:33:09] <lerneaen_hydra> M3/4 Sxxxx if memory serves correctly
[23:33:15] <lerneaen_hydra> oh, what feedback do you have
[23:33:17] <toastydeath> correct
[23:33:26] <maddash> no, I don't need and speed ramps, just a speed control
[23:33:30] <maddash> any*
[23:33:48] <lerneaen_hydra> how does emc know the actual spindle speed?
[23:34:00] <lerneaen_hydra> or does it even know it
[23:34:03] <Gamma-X2> is there a program to load a circuit board into a cam program?
[23:34:20] <lerneaen_hydra> Gamma-X2, which program did you do the pcb in?
[23:34:26] <toastydeath> gamma-x2: there is some sort of image to gcode thing on the emc website but i have no idea where it is
[23:34:43] <lerneaen_hydra> image-to-gcode is not the most efficient for a pcb
[23:34:46] <maddash> lerneaen_hydra: good question. is open-loop control feasible?
[23:35:00] <lerneaen_hydra> maddash, I think some people here have implemented it
[23:35:06] <lerneaen_hydra> I think it worked well enough
[23:35:17] <lerneaen_hydra> though it's completely dependant on your spindle controller
[23:35:36] <lerneaen_hydra> so your answer would be yes
[23:35:38] <Dalran> a good circuit capture and board design program should output the files needed, or should have a plugin to do it.
[23:35:56] <Gamma-X2> Dalran i want a generic one from the internet
[23:35:59] <lerneaen_hydra> I know eagle has a .ulp code generator with an EMC plugin
[23:36:19] <Dalran> Gamma-X2, what format is your pcb file in?
[23:36:31] <Gamma-X2> its jsut a picture like jpg
[23:36:46] <Dalran> then the image to gcode is gonna be the ticket.
[23:36:46] <Gamma-X2> anything that can load into mastercam?
[23:37:05] <maddash> whoa, 2.2.2. things have changed a lot.
[23:37:11] <lerneaen_hydra> Gamma-X2, inkscape can trace a bitmap and generate a vector .dxf
[23:37:19] <lerneaen_hydra> maddash, yeah, lots of new candy
[23:37:34] <maddash> hah, the one in my home directory is still pre-2.1.5
[23:37:34] <Dalran> your drill pattern is going to have to be done by hand though I think.
[23:38:04] <toastydeath> that's what g81 is for
[23:38:11] <Gamma-X2> thanks
[23:38:38] <Ziegler> Gamma-X2: making threads to a precise measurement... what does that have to do with a digitizer?
[23:39:00] <anonimasu> Ziegler: concentricity..
[23:39:04] <anonimasu> with the body of one..
[23:39:43] <Ziegler> I dont follow
[23:39:54] <anonimasu> Ziegler: having your stylus offset from the centre of the whole thing is bad.
[23:40:22] <Ziegler> ah
[23:40:33] <anonimasu> or even worse, non planar with the body.. :P
[23:40:41] <anonimasu> /
[23:40:50] <Ziegler> why does the stylus have to be threaded?
[23:41:06] <anonimasu> because comercial styluses are threaded
[23:41:16] <anonimasu> mcmaster sells them with ruby and all for $30
[23:41:16] <Ziegler> !?
[23:41:45] <anonimasu> http://www.industarts.com/images/probe4af95x495.jpg
[23:41:50] <eric_U> so the problem is threading the stylus into something you are making?
[23:41:53] <Ziegler> so the idea is to make your own and the purchase the probe tip
[23:42:07] <Gamma-X2> correct
[23:42:09] <Ziegler> wait you arnt Gamma-X2
[23:42:15] <archivist> * archivist guesses theres a register on the stylus to reduce thread error
[23:42:16] <Ziegler> you are though
[23:42:18] <eric_U> therz a dent in the one in the pic
[23:42:37] <anonimasu> rather threading the body with the electronics and all togther.
[23:43:04] <dogfishguzzler> Hey #ubuntu is full and nonresponsive. You guys in the mood to field a question?
[23:43:12] <anonimasu> http://www.mcmaster.com/catalog/113/gfx/large/85175ap3l.gif
[23:43:44] <Ziegler> anonimasu: I am quite aware of what a probe tip looks like
[23:43:50] <dogfishguzzler> I typed sudo find / -iname "*.mp3" -type f -exec /bin/mv -v {} /mnt/doze2/MP3 \;
[23:43:59] <anonimasu> that's nice..
[23:44:01] <eric_U> what's the hole in that probe for?
[23:44:04] <dogfishguzzler> Now all my muysic is in one lump :(
[23:44:08] <Gamma-X2> eric_U the led.
[23:44:17] <Ziegler> I just wanted to know why Gamma-X2 needed a lathe to make a digitizer
[23:44:20] <Dalran> dogfishguzzler, because you told it to move it all to the same place...
[23:44:33] <anonimasu> probably for the tool to tighten it I'd guess..
[23:44:37] <dogfishguzzler> I know that now lol, can I undo it's togetherness?
[23:44:43] <eric_U> no
[23:44:48] <anonimasu> Ziegler: for concentricity..
[23:44:48] <Dalran> not automagically, no.
[23:44:52] <eric_U> simple answers to simple questions
[23:45:11] <eric_U> dogfish: did someone prank you?
[23:45:16] <dogfishguzzler> No
[23:45:24] <dogfishguzzler> Me doing myself as usual
[23:45:37] <eric_U> then why did you type this part: exec /bin/mv -v {} /mnt/doze2/MP3 \;
[23:45:38] <Dalran> never run a command with sudo unless you absolutely know what it will do.
[23:45:55] <Dalran> beyond that, never run a command unless you know exactly what it will do.
[23:46:12] <dogfishguzzler> I was trying to get all my music in one spot quickly and found enough online to destroy all my music
[23:46:48] <Ziegler> anonimasu: and Gamma-X2... fwiw.. I bet you could get a diy digitizer made with a tap and drill / mill setup just fine
[23:46:52] <dogfishguzzler> I was fairly certain I could see what it was going to do but I thought type-f would omit directories
[23:47:15] <eric_U> test with cp :)
[23:47:26] <dogfishguzzler> Yeah I thought that too....after the fact
[23:47:39] <dogfishguzzler> This blows
[23:47:46] <dogfishguzzler> 10 years worth
[23:47:50] <Gamma-X2> Ziegler roger that
[23:47:58] <anonimasu> Ziegler: sure..
[23:48:10] <archivist> dogfishguzzler, just restore from backup
[23:48:31] <dogfishguzzler> oh yeah....
[23:48:37] <dogfishguzzler> I dont have back up :|
[23:48:47] <Dalran> for 10 years of work you have no backup?
[23:49:05] <Dalran> such thing causes a lack of pity from this end.
[23:49:14] <toastydeath> lol epic
[23:50:07] <dogfishguzzler> Not work
[23:50:09] <dogfishguzzler> music
[23:50:29] <dogfishguzzler> I have some on dvds somewhere but not alot
[23:50:29] <Dalran> oh, then delete and start over.
[23:51:06] <eric_U> I see why #ubuntu was unresponsive
[23:51:06] <SWPadnos> besides, you really wanted them in ogg vorbis format anyway :)
[23:51:23] <eric_U> Ipod play that?
[23:51:34] <SWPadnos> don't know, don't care
[23:51:35] <Ziegler> LOL SWPadnos
[23:51:41] <Dalran> thankfully, ipod won't play ogg.
[23:51:54] <eric_U> there is a linux for ipod
[23:51:56] <anonimasu> I hate my ipod because of that.
[23:51:58] <Dalran> we don't want ipoddies hearing our music.
[23:51:59] <Ziegler> I thought I read some place that a hacked ipod played ogg
[23:52:00] <SWPadnos> I have an ipod shuffle, but have never used it because I don't feel like installing itunes
[23:52:05] <Ziegler> vorbis
[23:52:25] <eric_U> there are linux itunes replacements
[23:52:43] <SWPadnos> I could/should look into those
[23:52:47] <eric_U> I use mine as a disk drive
[23:52:48] <SWPadnos> my M-station is getting a bit old
[23:52:49] <Ziegler> SWPadnos: you can use Rhythm box music player in linux
[23:53:01] <SWPadnos> I can play ogg files, that's not a problem
[23:53:09] <SWPadnos> or does Rhythm Box download to a shuffle?
[23:53:23] <Ziegler> no SWPadnos to use your iShuffle
[23:53:37] <Ziegler> I works with an ipod
[23:53:58] <SWPadnos> oh, interesting. and does the shuffle/ipod deign to play non-protected music files?
[23:54:05] <Dalran> you know, I've never actually touched an ipod, or iwhatever, in my life.
[23:54:09] <Ziegler> http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_rhythmbox_ipod
[23:54:15] <maddash> rofl this is a classic
[23:54:22] <SWPadnos> I wond it, or I wouldn't have either
[23:54:25] <SWPadnos> won
[23:54:34] <maddash> dogfishguzzler: out of curiosity, what is `ls -lh [name of lump]`?
[23:54:41] <eric_U> I wouldn't, but I have weak-minded kids
[23:54:44] <Dalran> I would have just sold it on ebay or something rather than use it."
[23:54:44] <Ziegler> I dont own one either
[23:54:44] <eric_U> I do like mine
[23:54:51] <Ziegler> I still listen to am raido
[23:55:06] <Dalran> -lh is long listing with filesize in human readable form
[23:55:10] <SWPadnos> well, I'd consider using it, if I can do so without having to re-encode all my MP3 files (about 16G of them)
[23:55:17] <Dalran> 1k 2.2G and such like that.
[23:55:19] <eric_U> they replaced the only radio station I could stand with a country station
[23:55:20] <SWPadnos> though it's only 512M, so it won't hold much
[23:55:26] <SWPadnos> ewww
[23:55:38] <eric_U> I only have mp3 on my ipod
[23:55:48] <maddash> Dalran: I know that, I want to know how big his lump is
[23:56:15] <Dalran> oh...
[23:56:16] <maddash> dogfishguzzler: this is actually one reason to switch to the mac -- automator.
[23:56:19] <eric_U> that sounds like personal information
[23:56:26] <dogfishguzzler> -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1601402 2007-04-14 17:18 /mnt/doze2/MP3
[23:56:31] <dogfishguzzler> All my files are gone
[23:56:36] <maddash> dogfishguzzler: OUCH.
[23:56:40] <Dalran> oh..it put them in one big file!
[23:56:43] <dogfishguzzler> all my MP3's anyway
[23:56:50] <eric_U> does it play?
[23:56:56] <dogfishguzzler> and a few gigs worth of WMA's ripped from CD
[23:57:02] <Ziegler> I know I read some place that a hacked ipod will play ogg. maybe not. I have seen pics of doom being played on one of those smaller ipods
[23:57:02] <dogfishguzzler> eric: nope
[23:57:19] <maddash> dogfishguzzler: what you did was take file 1, and move it to "MP3", then overwrite "MP3" with file 2, then with file 3, etc. it's not even "one big file."
[23:57:21] <dogfishguzzler> Oh well
[23:57:37] <dogfishguzzler> Nothing I can do now
[23:57:49] <eric_U> so those songs are probably still on the disk
[23:57:53] <dogfishguzzler> Atleast it wasn't my pics
[23:57:53] <Ziegler> dogfishguzzler start all over... new music... better encoding
[23:57:57] <maddash> dogfishguzzler: allow me to introduce you to optimum online, mininova.org, and rtorrent.
[23:58:06] <toastydeath> epic torrent maneuver
[23:58:07] <dogfishguzzler> Yeah that was my thought Zeigler
[23:58:14] <dogfishguzzler> Zielgler*
[23:58:19] <maddash> toastydeath: high-five.
[23:58:30] <toastydeath> ^5
[23:58:31] <Ziegler> ubuntu has sound juicer
[23:58:37] <dogfishguzzler> I know of mininova maddesh but not rtorrent
[23:58:42] <Ziegler> dogfishguzzler: I think its even pre-isntalled
[23:58:47] <Ziegler> installed*
[23:59:13] <dogfishguzzler> If you guys are talking about using bittorent, I love bottorent
[23:59:22] <dogfishguzzler> lol @ bot
[23:59:25] <dogfishguzzler> err I mean bit
[23:59:38] <maddash> dogfishguzzler: rtorrent is an efficient bt client
[23:59:47] <dogfishguzzler> HUmm
[23:59:52] <dogfishguzzler> never heard of it
[23:59:59] <dogfishguzzler> Will be grabbing it though
