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[00:03:43] <Gamma-X> http://youtube.com/watch?v=dj-stLJa2n0
[00:03:48] <Gamma-X> look at that BigJohnT
[00:04:29] <BigJohnT> I'll try if it's not too long I'm out in the woods and have a string to the highway for a phone line...
[00:05:21] <BigJohnT> is that the same control as you have except it's an L for lathe?
[00:05:23] <Gamma-X> lol
[00:05:26] <Gamma-X> yup
[00:05:54] <Gamma-X> I just need to find an rs232 cable, got an extra one layin aorund?
[00:05:57] <Gamma-X> lol
[00:06:34] <BigJohnT> radio shack my friend
[00:06:42] <Gamma-X> they have the right one?
[00:06:50] <BigJohnT> you just need to know if it is null modem or not
[00:07:07] <BigJohnT> they should
[00:07:24] <BigJohnT> I get them there for plc's
[00:07:52] <BigJohnT> did you get any doc's with it
[00:08:09] <Gamma-X> yeah
[00:08:12] <Gamma-X> its on the garage
[00:08:35] <BigJohnT> cool
[00:08:44] <BigJohnT> does this vid have sound?
[00:09:21] <Gamma-X> idk
[00:09:33] <BigJohnT> LOL it may have sound but my speakers are at my machine shop
[00:12:04] <Gamma-X> lol
[00:13:17] <BigJohnT> well while you were out having fun I made some progress on my plasma table
[00:13:58] <Gamma-X> nice!
[00:13:59] <Gamma-X> pics?
[00:14:16] <Gamma-X> hey there are a few cable that are on the back of my machine that arnet hooked up any ideas? lol
[00:14:30] <Gamma-X> the like 5 pin military connectors.
[00:14:32] <Gamma-X> 3 of them
[00:14:49] <Gamma-X> 2 by the control unit on the arm and 1 behind the knee area
[00:14:57] <BigJohnT> yea, I got the programming figured out to start and stop the plasma torch with some help from Alex Joni
[00:15:21] <Gamma-X> i jsut saw a plasma cutter for the first time yesterday
[00:15:25] <Gamma-X> my neighbor has one
[00:15:27] <BigJohnT> are the servos plugged in?
[00:15:36] <Gamma-X> yes
[00:16:08] <BigJohnT> makes a lot of sparks don't they
[00:16:14] <Gamma-X> yeah lol
[00:18:19] <BigJohnT> as well as the homing and limit switches working
[00:18:29] <BigJohnT> Now to finish the bridge and build the y axis
[00:21:09] <BigJohnT> when you commision it make sure you check all the limit switches with a very slow feed rate
[00:21:32] <Gamma-X> lol ok
[00:21:50] <Gamma-X> is it like the same control basicly?
[00:22:09] <BigJohnT> as mine?
[00:22:33] <Gamma-X> yeah the crusader as 1100
[00:23:03] <BigJohnT> no mine is conversational with a built in monitor
[00:23:22] <Gamma-X> conversational what does that mean?
[00:23:49] <BigJohnT> instead of g codes it says RAPID, LINE, ARC etc
[00:24:15] <Gamma-X> ok
[00:24:27] <Gamma-X> my servos are powered by the 3 phase inputs wtf lol
[00:24:39] <BigJohnT> http://www.tipsformanufacturing.com/html/anilam_cnc.html
[00:25:08] <BigJohnT> mine is the one on the left
[00:25:25] <Gamma-X> yeah
[00:25:31] <Gamma-X> i got that mastercam post for the crusader
[00:25:35] <BigJohnT> via a stepdown transformer
[00:25:43] <BigJohnT> cool
[00:26:01] <BigJohnT> you got mastercam?
[00:26:12] <Gamma-X> yeah
[00:26:27] <BigJohnT> cool I like mastercam
[00:26:39] <Gamma-X> me 2 its good softwarte
[00:26:55] <BigJohnT> funny thing is that mastercam has the 1100 post all ready
[00:27:01] <Gamma-X> i wonder how i can get a copy of those cd's hes sellin
[00:27:07] <BigJohnT> it's just named funny
[00:27:23] <BigJohnT> paypal LOL
[00:27:51] <BigJohnT> a buddy of mine in FL bought the 1100 one
[00:28:25] <Gamma-X> good?
[00:28:31] <BigJohnT> well I'm going out the fab shop and cut some material up for the x gantry
[00:29:12] <BigJohnT> he didn't complain about the training cd but he did squeel when I told him that mc had the post all ready
[00:29:42] <Gamma-X> lol
[00:29:45] <BigJohnT> I'm almost as excited as you are getting my plasma up and running
[00:31:34] <BigJohnT> bbl got to make some chips with the band saw...
[00:39:19] <Gamma-X> later all
[01:04:24] <JymmmEMC> LawrenceG: What do you use to draw up electrical designs with? like the pdf's you showed me
[01:09:50] <jmkasunich> time for a drawbar-ectomy
[01:10:17] <JymmmEMC> a la plasma cutter =)
[01:10:59] <jmkasunich> I want to be able to put it back when I'm done
[01:11:38] <JymmmEMC> Well, you didn't say that part originally =)
[01:11:44] <JymmmEMC> Automatic drawbar?
[01:11:50] <JymmmEMC> or gonna be that is
[01:13:27] <jmkasunich> it already is automatic
[01:13:34] <jmkasunich> part of a surplus spindle I bought
[01:13:41] <JymmmEMC> ah, rebuild time
[01:13:51] <jmkasunich> lots of spring tension - hence a _carefull_ drawbar-ectomy
[01:14:06] <JymmmEMC> ew and safety shield
[01:14:15] <JymmmEMC> face shield
[01:15:16] <jmkasunich> I came up with an arrangement that safely takes the load off while I press out the pin that holds things together, and will safely (and gradually) let me release the force after the pin is out
[01:15:29] <jmkasunich> now I just need something to set it on so I can press out the pin
[01:15:36] <jmkasunich> and I hope my arbor press is up to the task
[01:16:05] <JymmmEMC> floor/hydralic jack?
[01:16:20] <JymmmEMC> bottle jack
[01:16:31] <jmkasunich> without a frame a jack isn't worth much
[01:16:38] <jmkasunich> I have a #3 greenlee arbor press
[01:16:58] <JymmmEMC> I'm not familure with it
[01:17:14] <jmkasunich> its pretty beefy, don't know the rated tonnage
[01:17:26] <jmkasunich> unfortunately I won't get rated tonnage cause it isn't bolted to anything
[01:17:30] <JymmmEMC> even the smallest is rated for like 5 tons iirc
[01:17:32] <jmkasunich> so I can hang on the handle
[01:17:48] <jmkasunich> bottle jacks maybe, not arbor presses
[01:18:06] <jmkasunich> are you thinking of an H frame press?
[01:18:33] <jmkasunich> oops, brain fart - my press is greenerd, not greenlee
[01:19:32] <jmkasunich> like so:
http://nh.craigslist.org/tls/516298028.html
[01:19:37] <JymmmEMC> I think I'd carve out a 2x4 in the table saw to make a track for everything to sit in, then use a jack to release pressure if I had to.
[01:19:51] <jmkasunich> the pressure is NOT the problem
[01:19:58] <jmkasunich> I already said I have that under control
[01:20:04] <JymmmEMC> ah
[01:20:06] <jmkasunich> the problem is pressing out a pressed in 8mm pin
[01:20:34] <JymmmEMC> pin punch?
[01:21:01] <JymmmEMC> I've thinking roll pin here, nm
[01:23:51] <jmkasunich> solid steel dowel pin in reamed hole
[01:26:27] <jmkasunich> got it out (thank you Mr. Greenerd)
[01:27:01] <JymmmEMC> heh
[01:27:19] <jmkasunich> upon closer inspection I'm not sure it was pressed in, I think there might have been a setscrew (down in a bore and covered with muck)
[01:28:54] <JymmmEMC> BEHOLD! The power of ultrasonic degreaser tanks! ;)
[01:29:31] <jmkasunich> I'm not putting high grade spindle bearings in an ultrasonic bearing killer device
[01:29:42] <JymmmEMC> wuss
[01:30:13] <JymmmEMC> you dont like the sound of snap crackle crunch?!
[01:30:56] <jmkasunich> I'm funny that way
[01:31:04] <JymmmEMC> aren't we all
[01:32:17] <JymmmEMC> are you selling your press, or just found that ad on CL's
[01:33:37] <jmkasunich> just found that
[01:33:51] <jmkasunich> drawbar-ectomy complete
[01:33:59] <jmkasunich> dang there are a lot of bellvilles in this thing
[01:34:21] <jmkasunich> 5-1/2" high stack uncompressed
[01:37:13] <jmkasunich> 124 to be precise
[01:40:13] <robin_sz> meep?
[01:40:22] <robin_sz> * robin_sz meeps
[01:41:01] <robin_sz> so, any clues how to log the traffic in/out of a serial port on Linux?
[01:43:50] <jmkasunich> pin drops
[01:45:44] <robin_sz> collectd or ttylog seem favourite
[01:45:47] <robin_sz> hi jmkasunich
[01:45:55] <robin_sz> keeping well?
[01:45:59] <jmkasunich> yep
[01:46:02] <robin_sz> good :)
[01:46:09] <jmkasunich> my CNC machine is actually moving
[01:46:11] <robin_sz> not been inhere much myself
[01:46:13] <robin_sz> it is?
[01:46:18] <robin_sz> w00t! :)
[01:46:18] <jmkasunich> yep
[01:46:21] <jmkasunich> as of last week
[01:46:26] <robin_sz> awesome
[01:46:30] <jmkasunich> still have to do the quill, but the lathe functions work
[01:46:37] <robin_sz> great
[01:46:40] <robin_sz> got any pics?
[01:47:23] <jmkasunich> http://jmkasunich.com/cgi-bin/blosxom/index.html
[01:47:33] <jmkasunich> I need to do an update soon
[01:47:54] <robin_sz> ok, slightly mischeivous, but did you beat wossisname ... the guy with the router, Jymm? in getting a machine running?
[01:48:34] <jmkasunich> his has been running for a long time, but not with EMC
[01:48:42] <jmkasunich> dunno if he's switched over or not
[01:49:59] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich is having fun taking apart a surplus HSK taper spindle
[01:50:14] <jmkasunich> if it wasn't surplus, I'm afraid to even think what it would cost
[01:50:53] <robin_sz> heh
[01:51:14] <robin_sz> wanna pic of my new machine being delivered?
[01:51:24] <jmkasunich> I think I saw that
[01:51:27] <robin_sz> ;)
[01:51:35] <jmkasunich> hanging tilted off a hydraulic crane
[01:51:35] <robin_sz> that wasnt the whole machine
[01:51:43] <robin_sz> that was just the main body
[01:51:55] <robin_sz> there was a 40' artic of other bits
[01:51:59] <robin_sz> yeah,
[01:52:07] <robin_sz> wish I had that balance point right
[01:52:12] <robin_sz> ah well
[01:52:16] <robin_sz> too late now
[01:59:56] <BigJohnT> I got the plasma torch control and homing working now thanks guys'
[02:01:02] <BigJohnT> jmkasunich: you got all three axis's moving?
[02:01:21] <jmkasunich> not yet
[02:01:33] <jmkasunich> maybe 1 days work to get the quill going
[02:01:37] <jmkasunich> but I got distracted
[02:01:48] <BigJohnT> I know how that is
[02:02:42] <BigJohnT> have you run any programs yet to test
[02:03:51] <BigJohnT> cool breakout board
[02:04:27] <robin_sz> BigJohnT: plasma huh?
[02:04:33] <BigJohnT> yep
[02:04:38] <robin_sz> fired it up yet?
[02:04:39] <jmkasunich> I've run a few simple programs
[02:04:45] <BigJohnT> gotta love them sparks
[02:04:53] <jmkasunich> like one that did a bunch of facing passes, or boring passes
[02:04:58] <jmkasunich> then finished the part using MDI
[02:05:01] <BigJohnT> just testing the X axis now
[02:05:10] <BigJohnT> cool jmkasunich
[02:05:21] <robin_sz> BigJohnT: i menat fired up the plasma torch on the machine?
[02:05:24] <BigJohnT> I love it when a plan comes together
[02:05:36] <BigJohnT> no plasma not mounted yet
[02:05:40] <robin_sz> ahh :)
[02:05:44] <robin_sz> what make of plasma?
[02:05:53] <BigJohnT> have to build the Y axis first
[02:05:54] <BigJohnT> it'
[02:05:57] <robin_sz> what make of plasma?
[02:06:10] <BigJohnT> it's a Hypertherm
[02:06:19] <BigJohnT> powermax 1250
[02:06:22] <robin_sz> oh, ok, better chance than most then
[02:06:29] <BigJohnT> how's that
[02:06:39] <robin_sz> no HF on the ignition
[02:06:58] <BigJohnT> nope and cnc ready
[02:07:04] <robin_sz> yep
[02:07:09] <robin_sz> I used to sell those :)
[02:07:21] <BigJohnT> nice machine been using it by hand for a couple of years
[02:07:32] <robin_sz> you'll still need a bucket of opto isolator though
[02:07:33] <BigJohnT> the fine cut kit is awsome
[02:07:42] <robin_sz> its Ok
[02:07:49] <BigJohnT> a bucket?
[02:07:58] <robin_sz> well, maybe a sack
[02:08:04] <BigJohnT> for?
[02:08:13] <robin_sz> the ones you blow up
[02:08:28] <BigJohnT> how do I blow them up?
[02:08:40] <robin_sz> many ways ;0
[02:08:53] <robin_sz> actually, you are better off with that machine than many
[02:09:01] <robin_sz> mostly its the HF start that kills em
[02:09:18] <BigJohnT> yea, that is why I went with the hypertherm
[02:09:26] <robin_sz> good call
[02:09:33] <robin_sz> gecko drives?
[02:09:36] <BigJohnT> did a lot of research
[02:09:45] <BigJohnT> g203v's
[02:09:51] <robin_sz> should be fine
[02:09:52] <BigJohnT> nice fast timing
[02:10:16] <robin_sz> and earth everyting in sight :)
[02:10:16] <BigJohnT> can get 450IPM with current gearing at 24v
[02:10:26] <BigJohnT> LOL you bet!
[02:10:30] <robin_sz> sounds about right
[02:10:42] <robin_sz> got to let them motors spin :)
[02:11:02] <BigJohnT> got some new cogs yesterday to try
[02:11:17] <BigJohnT> trying to keep the motors in the peak range at high speeds
[02:11:26] <robin_sz> i usually geared my plasmas for around 10mm/rev
[02:12:23] <BigJohnT> hmmm with steppers
[02:12:28] <robin_sz> get the motor up or above the current knee at G0 speeds
[02:12:33] <robin_sz> yeah
[02:13:05] <robin_sz> gotta get at least to the corner frequency
[02:13:46] <BigJohnT> right now mine are peaked at 600 rpm or so
[02:13:56] <robin_sz> sounds about right
[02:14:05] <robin_sz> maybe a little slow
[02:14:10] <robin_sz> but in the ballpark
[02:14:43] <robin_sz> corner freq is around 600 rpm usually, so spining to 1000rpm or so is fine
[02:14:45] <BigJohnT> about the fastest as I can generate pulses with emc
[02:14:49] <robin_sz> yeah
[02:14:58] <robin_sz> fast enough then
[02:15:44] <BigJohnT> at 750 the torque curve flattens out on these
[02:15:50] <robin_sz> right
[02:15:55] <BigJohnT> automationdirect steppers
[02:15:57] <robin_sz> you need to be up there really
[02:16:07] <robin_sz> 1000rpm would be ideal
[02:16:17] <robin_sz> put it another way ..
[02:16:28] <robin_sz> they dont develop maximum power until 750
[02:16:34] <BigJohnT> yep
[02:16:45] <robin_sz> from 750 up, power is constant
[02:16:54] <BigJohnT> but the latency on this box is kinda flakey
[02:16:58] <robin_sz> yeah
[02:17:03] <robin_sz> so 600 will be fine then :)
[02:17:47] <robin_sz> way better than the guys who run at like 60rpm max
[02:17:52] <BigJohnT> yea the max optimum speed is 415IPM
[02:18:17] <BigJohnT> 60 rpm
[02:18:24] <robin_sz> yeah
[02:18:30] <BigJohnT> dang that's slow for a stepper
[02:18:31] <robin_sz> they gear for say 200 rpm
[02:18:35] <robin_sz> then it stalls
[02:18:43] <BigJohnT> didn't do their homework
[02:18:47] <robin_sz> "oh, the torqu must be dropping off"
[02:18:55] <robin_sz> sop they gear for 60 ...
[02:19:02] <robin_sz> ie go the worng way
[02:19:07] <robin_sz> happens a lot
[02:19:16] <robin_sz> as you say, didnt do their homework
[02:19:29] <BigJohnT> well I gotta run so ttul
[02:19:35] <robin_sz> kk
[02:19:38] <robin_sz> have fun
[02:53:01] <fenn> man, linux is so cool
[02:54:11] <fenn> i've got my touchscreen panel-pc upgrading to dapper via my laptop's wireless bridge
[02:54:58] <fenn> er, bridging the laptop's wireless connection to a crossover cable
[02:58:51] <LawrenceG> JymmmEMC: hey Jim.... I did that electrcal dwg in autocad 14 under vmware on ubuntu dapper
[04:01:19] <eric_U> JMKasunich: what kind of spindle did you buy?
[04:02:11] <jmkasunich> its a surplus thing
[04:02:13] <jmkasunich> HSK taper
[04:02:24] <jmkasunich> they were slated to be rebuilt, so they have some issues
[04:02:27] <eric_U> never heard of HSK taper?
[04:02:35] <jmkasunich> its a very high speed fancy thing
[04:02:58] <jmkasunich> the toolholders are actually hollow, and the drawbar expands inside them to expand them against the walls of the spindle
[04:03:07] <jmkasunich> centrifugal force makes them tighter
[04:03:15] <eric_U> I'm kinda bummed, I'll be driving past Dayton without being able to go surplus shopping
[04:03:25] <eric_U> that sounds interesting, did you get tooling?
[04:03:30] <jmkasunich> (regular spindles get looser at high speed, because the spindle stretches and the taper hold gets bigger
[04:03:33] <jmkasunich> heck no
[04:03:39] <jmkasunich> HSK tooling is $$$$
[04:03:54] <jmkasunich> $300 for an endmill holder, $600 for a collet chuck
[04:03:56] <eric_U> you never know with surplus
[04:04:07] <jmkasunich> these spindles were $10, in unknown condition
[04:04:20] <jmkasunich> I didn't even know what taper they were till I got them home, I bought them for the bearings
[04:04:46] <jmkasunich> I have an idea about adapting them to use Tormach style tooling
[04:05:56] <eric_U> I have a lot of tooling that I have ideas about, but I probably should just sell it on ebay
[04:06:40] <eric_U> I need an excuse to drive around Ohio without the family, they have no appreciation for surplus at all
[04:10:15] <eric_U> I'm trying to remember this command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:11:23] <eric_U> going to try a matrox vid card instead of the nvidia and see if it helps my latency. Otherwise I'm going to give up in dispair.
[04:12:10] <a-l-p-h-a> jmkasunich,!
[04:12:16] <a-l-p-h-a> wuzzup?
[04:12:33] <a-l-p-h-a> what's new? exciting? fresh?
[04:12:36] <jmkasunich> temperature?
[04:12:41] <jmkasunich> snow's almost all melted
[04:13:16] <a-l-p-h-a> I had a bloody 5' snow bank ,just from my driveway shovelling
[04:13:56] <jmkasunich> we had so much wind when the snow was falling that I didn't get more than an inch on my drive
[04:14:03] <jmkasunich> its the wind tunnel between houses
[04:14:04] <a-l-p-h-a> lucky you
[04:14:14] <jmkasunich> other places had a foot - the average was probably 4-6 in
[04:14:40] <jmkasunich> "other places" being 10 feet away
[04:14:50] <a-l-p-h-a> hahaha
[04:20:37] <Jymmm> I got coax and dsl filters, wonder if it works....
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/952630/how_to_build_a_cable_tv_de_scambler/
[04:22:08] <eric_U> jmkasunich, you getting rain?
[04:22:58] <jmkasunich> I haven't looked in the last couple hours
[04:23:05] <jmkasunich> but I wouldn't be suprised
[04:24:47] <Jymmm> If you look VERY VERY CAREFULLY you will see a xmas card being made in this video, but you have to look carefully!
[04:24:48] <Jymmm> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/973342/xmas_tree_card/
[04:39:47] <fenn_> fenn_ is now known as fenn
[05:22:04] <a-l-p-h-a> Jymmm, couldn't you share real porn instead?
[05:23:54] <Jymmm> a-l-p-h-a: this is as close as you get
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/954946/funny_girl_farting/
[05:25:02] <cradek> she misspelled "pancil"
[05:25:31] <a-l-p-h-a> Jymmm, heh
[05:25:45] <a-l-p-h-a> I saw that thumbnail... I was tempted, but then you posted it.
[05:27:38] <Jymmm> it be funnier if the fart sound was real
[06:02:06] <eric_U> well, that didn't help much
[06:02:33] <eric_U> is the mga driver suspect of real-time delays?
[06:04:46] <cradek> mga has always worked great for me so far
[06:13:33] <cradek> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6U3TVOIpDQ
[06:14:35] <cradek> my daisy program was much better than that.
[06:17:05] <Jymmm> lol
[06:17:22] <a-l-p-h-a> what's it say in english?
[06:17:31] <Jymmm> You know you're an cnc geek when....
[06:17:43] <Jymmm> a-l-p-h-a: turn up your speakers
[06:17:44] <a-l-p-h-a> yeah...
[06:17:47] <a-l-p-h-a> I just realized.
[06:18:46] <a-l-p-h-a> I realize, I don't like horror flicks.
[06:18:58] <a-l-p-h-a> I like action, and/or comedy stuff.
[06:19:08] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOTrZqfEJEI&feature=related
[06:19:19] <Jymmm> and a lightshow too! lol
[06:19:23] <a-l-p-h-a> 28 weeks later, is slow, but not something I ilke at all.
[07:25:49] <scutsxg> hi,jepler,are you here now?
[10:21:13] <kwaj> When i try to manualy move u and v axis of my 4 axis (x,y,u,v) cnc machen, i get "joint 6 following error". Any idea what could be wrong?
[10:30:53] <acemi> u is the 6. axis
[10:37:01] <kwaj> yes
[10:38:10] <acemi> could you paste your ini file?
[10:42:39] <kwaj> http://pastebin.ca/829665
[10:48:58] <acemi> what is your ovl. max in RTAI latency test?
[10:50:27] <acemi> I think you try to decrease BASE_PERIOD or MAX_VELOCITY
[10:54:24] <acemi> you can try to use MAX_ACCELERATION = 1000 and STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 1050 too
[11:15:17] <kwaj> i already tested the same configzuration with x,y,z and a axes and it works fine. I only changed the names of the axis and now i got this message.
[14:25:35] <cradek> kwaj: you have to change your hal file too. change axis.2 and axis.3 to axis.6 and axis.7
[14:26:27] <kwaj> i did that
[14:28:16] <kwaj> oh, now i found i forgot something...
[14:42:23] <kwaj> now it works fine
[14:42:26] <kwaj> thank you
[14:42:59] <acemi> what was the problem?
[14:44:31] <kwaj> like cradek said, i missed two lines when i was changing axis.2/axis.3 to axis.6/axis.7
[14:50:08] <cradek> yay
[15:16:15] <Guest226> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOTrZqfEJEI
[15:20:13] <Guest226> Guest226 is now known as skunkworks
[15:24:47] <Unit41> lmao
[15:54:09] <skunkworks> 9 inches of snow and now the wind...
[15:55:33] <robin_sz> perfick :)
[15:57:15] <skunkworks> the neighbor snow-blowed the sidewalk about 10 minutes ago.. you can't tell anymore.
[15:57:41] <robin_sz> awesome
[15:58:08] <robin_sz> must have a lot of time on his hands :)
[15:59:45] <robin_sz> much better off here simly not messing with the pavement anyway, too risky, insurance wise
[16:18:59] <skunkworks> ?
[16:19:41] <skunkworks> we have laws saying the sidewalk on the property must be cleared
[16:21:49] <SWPadnos> that's so weird - we have municipal sidewalk plows
[16:22:05] <SWPadnos> you guys also have to maintain the sidewalk, from what my in-laws say
[16:22:20] <SWPadnos> (ie, fix broken concrete, level it if it shifts, etc)
[16:22:26] <skunkworks> yes
[16:23:00] <SWPadnos> here, it's a public right-of-way, so it's a town responsibility to keep it cleared (like the roads)
[16:23:32] <BigJohnT> what's a sidewalk, it that what you do when sneaking up on a deer?
[16:23:47] <SWPadnos> no, it's a military marching manouever
[16:23:52] <BigJohnT> * lives out in the woods
[16:24:02] <SWPadnos> "half-step to the right, MOVE!"
[16:24:03] <BigJohnT> i see
[16:24:19] <SWPadnos> drill sergeants love to yell "MOVE!"
[16:24:46] <SWPadnos> and also almost any phrase that contains "your sorry ass"
[16:27:21] <skunkworks> thats funny.. I just assumed it was the same all over (sidewalk laws ) ;)
[16:27:51] <SWPadnos> yeah - I was surprised when my father in law said he had to level a few sidewalk blocks that had tilted
[16:39:27] <robin_sz> hmmm
[16:39:37] <robin_sz> in the UK the sidewalk is not part of your property
[16:39:52] <robin_sz> its maintained and owned by the local council, same as the road
[16:40:56] <robin_sz> you need permission from the local council to mess with it, and if you clean the snow of and someone has an accident, you are liable. better off leaving it well alone
[17:30:10] <Gamma-X> any electricions in the house?
[17:34:46] <robin_sz> generic advice? or specific to your local codes?
[17:36:51] <Gamma-X> robin_sz advice
[17:37:05] <Gamma-X> i have a panel in my garage i want to make 220 come out of it.
[17:37:22] <Gamma-X> and then go into a phase converter and then into my machine.
[17:38:06] <robin_sz> and your question is?
[17:38:17] <BigJohnT> Is it a 220 panel?
[17:38:35] <robin_sz> and this si a rotary phase convertor?
[17:39:30] <Gamma-X> yes 220 panel
[17:39:34] <Gamma-X> well
[17:39:50] <Gamma-X> downstairs in my basement it has 2 30 amp brakers tied together going to the garage panel
[17:40:05] <robin_sz> and if it is rotary, how many hp?
[17:40:19] <Gamma-X> well, my spindle is 3 hp
[17:40:23] <robin_sz> yeah
[17:40:31] <robin_sz> but how many hp is your convertor?
[17:40:37] <Gamma-X> dont have one yet
[17:40:44] <robin_sz> well buy a VFD then
[17:40:49] <BigJohnT> it needs to be bigger than your spindle
[17:40:54] <BigJohnT> hp
[17:41:03] <Gamma-X> robin_sz but i dont want to loose any balls in the motor
[17:41:16] <robin_sz> wtf are you talking about?
[17:41:28] <ottos> yes I would agree.. from 2 phase to 3 phase.. been using it for a while...
[17:41:46] <Gamma-X> a vfd is the same as a static phase converter
[17:41:52] <robin_sz> noits not
[17:42:01] <ottos> you have to oversize the vfd by 50%... runs like a charm...
[17:42:05] <Gamma-X> ...expalim please
[17:42:11] <Gamma-X> ahh
[17:42:15] <robin_sz> a static pahse convertor is totally different to a VFD
[17:42:36] <Gamma-X> well whats a good cheap vfd to get for a 3hp spindle
[17:43:11] <Gamma-X> my servos run off the 3 phase though
[17:43:13] <Gamma-X> there tied into the machine
[17:43:13] <robin_sz> ahh, I asked you that the other day
[17:43:13] <Gamma-X> i remember
[17:43:13] <robin_sz> you said single pahse servos then
[17:43:18] <Gamma-X> and yes its a deffanat the machine is in my garage
[17:43:25] <Gamma-X> cleared the door by 1/4 inch lol
[17:43:26] <robin_sz> now you are sure they are 3 phase?
[17:43:39] <robin_sz> and lets be clear here
[17:43:47] <Gamma-X> well they tie into the control wich is powered from the main electrical box
[17:43:56] <robin_sz> duh!
[17:44:02] <robin_sz> thats not the same thing at all
[17:44:04] <BigJohnT> that don't mean that the servos are 3 phase
[17:44:08] <robin_sz> exactly
[17:44:12] <ottos> gents I have a question.. about the video that is posted on youtube.. that has the simulation of the gantry 5-axis machine... where do I get the code..
[17:44:34] <Gamma-X> i dont think there 3 phase but they have a downstepper i believe
[17:44:58] <Gamma-X> i think there 140 volts
[17:45:00] <BigJohnT> did you take some photos of the electrical cabinets?
[17:45:09] <Gamma-X> BigJohnT
[17:45:11] <Gamma-X> no. lol
[17:45:14] <robin_sz> if the actual servo drives are 3 phase (and I mean the drives, NOT the motors) then a 18th century rotary convertor may be the way to go
[17:45:15] <Gamma-X> christmas at my house
[17:45:21] <Gamma-X> dad told me to get the fuck out of the garagef! lol
[17:45:39] <Gamma-X> robin_sz i dont think there 3 phase
[17:45:44] <Gamma-X> BigJohnT are ym servos 3 phase?
[17:45:50] <BigJohnT> no
[17:46:02] <robin_sz> otherwise, VFD to the spindle, single phase to the control cab (probably via some up/down transformer)
[17:46:07] <BigJohnT> I plug the whole anilam into the 120 wall outlet
[17:46:25] <BigJohnT> It came with a step down xformer but I got rid of it
[17:46:38] <robin_sz> normally, the control and servos are 120V
[17:46:47] <robin_sz> on most smaller machines anyway
[17:46:52] <BigJohnT> the tech at Anilam suggested running the controls from a seperate circuit
[17:46:57] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[17:47:28] <BigJohnT> I added a potential relay to the 3 phase to drop out the servos if I loose spindle power
[17:47:29] <robin_sz> a VFD is basically a 3hp , single phase in, 3 phase out, servo drive
[17:47:37] <robin_sz> loose?
[17:47:55] <BigJohnT> motor drive...
[17:48:06] <robin_sz> oh lose, got it now
[17:48:23] <BigJohnT> typing too fast
[17:48:53] <BigJohnT> I don't want the servos to keep moving if the spindle quits... it makes a mess
[17:48:58] <robin_sz> most VFDs have a circuit to do that anyway, inptu drops out, it brakes and stays stopped
[17:49:06] <robin_sz> indeed
[17:49:33] <BigJohnT> but it won't stop the control if it's on a separate circuit...
[17:49:45] <robin_sz> depends how you configure it I guess
[17:50:02] <robin_sz> most VFDs have a "motor has reached speed" output
[17:50:11] <robin_sz> tie that back to the control
[17:50:16] <BigJohnT> don't matter how you configure it if it just powers the spindle it has no effect on the controls for the servos
[17:50:22] <BigJohnT> yes
[17:50:32] <BigJohnT> that works great
[17:51:31] <BigJohnT> off to the shop ttul
[17:51:38] <robin_sz> anywaym back to gamma-x question
[17:51:49] <robin_sz> a VFD is totally different to a staic
[17:52:00] <robin_sz> rotaries where 18th century
[17:52:06] <robin_sz> static was 19th century
[17:52:19] <robin_sz> big box full of L and C
[17:52:23] <robin_sz> gets got
[17:52:29] <robin_sz> blah
[17:52:49] <robin_sz> best avoided
[18:10:15] <jmkasunich> robin_sz: don't be in such a rush to dismiss older stuff
[18:10:44] <jmkasunich> anyway, rotaries are better than static converters
[18:10:48] <skunkworks> Hi john - is this storm heading your way?
[18:11:03] <jmkasunich> we have rain
[18:11:08] <jmkasunich> started last night late
[18:11:22] <skunkworks> that is how it started here.. Now we have blowing and drifting.
[18:11:31] <jmkasunich> oh, not pretty
[18:11:58] <skunkworks> we have no place to go..
[18:12:05] <skunkworks> so it isn't so bad.
[18:13:23] <jmkasunich> suppoed to change to snow late tonight according to weather.com
[18:24:53] <robin_sz> * robin_sz hopes for snow
[18:26:55] <dmess> 7 days ago we got hit with about 16 inches of snow... today and yesterday its been pouring rain... my back creek is up about 4 1/2 feet since yesterday morning...
[18:28:15] <dmess> its about 1 foot from breeching my break wall and taking the yard...
[18:30:15] <robin_sz> got a bucket?
[18:32:04] <dmess> need more than a bucket if it breeches... trust me... the house is safe im uphill...but the shed got emptied last time this happened
[18:37:23] <jmkasunich> build new shed on hill?
[18:53:01] <Gamma-X> robin_sz whats a good cheap vfd to buy?
[19:00:28] <orpheus> random question, but has anyone ever seen any tool based on OpenCascade actually do anything?
[19:01:02] <orpheus> i'm about ready to decide that it's more trouble than it's worth
[19:23:05] <Gamma-X> anyone else have a vfd they can recomend one to me?
[19:34:18] <JymmmEMC> * JymmmEMC hands Gamma-X a 9.6v B&D cordless drill
[19:35:43] <JymmmEMC> * JymmmEMC hands dmess 2tons of sand, 400 sandbags, and a handheld garden troul.
[19:45:10] <dmess> PLS NO>>>>i dont have the wrists for that>>>> i"ll order the bobcat in>>>
[19:46:51] <JymmmEMC> dmess: Hire the punk ass kid down the street to bag the sand for ya. Or even your kid
[19:47:45] <dmess> i have @ of my own to abuse>>> i mean use>>>
[19:48:18] <dmess> TWO
[19:48:43] <JymmmEMC> There ya go... They either get to bag sand or clean out the shed if it floods.
[19:49:54] <JymmmEMC> Can you get Sun Java for ununtu via apt?
[19:50:29] <dmess> there is a log jam of shopping carts and trees and ice>> at the bridge near the top of the street five feet high and building>>>
[19:50:46] <jmkasunich> upstream or down from you?
[19:51:10] <dmess> down>>> thats why im filling up so fast
[19:51:14] <jmkasunich> ouch
[19:51:29] <jmkasunich> need a little dynamite to clear that
[19:52:01] <dmess> yup>>> but that stuff i leave up north away from the kids>>>
[19:52:44] <dmess> one stick and two caps would do it>>>
[19:55:12] <jmkasunich> nah, you need this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ltJ6W_l6vY&feature=related
[19:57:23] <dmess> that would work>>> : ) real well
[19:59:32] <jmkasunich> hmm... how about EOD disposing of 429 tons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKulBlYqI40&feature=related
[20:02:00] <dmess> oh yeah>>>>
[20:02:29] <JymmmEMC> dmess: got chainsaw?
[20:07:23] <fenn> orpheus: it's more trouble than it's worth
[20:18:55] <dmess> city just came and busted up the dammm>>> water is still rising>> eight inches to breech
[20:19:34] <dmess> they must have busted something upstream too
[20:32:53] <dmess> http://imagebin.org/12567
[20:33:35] <dmess> its USUALLY 4 feet to the ice by now.. from the top of the rail
[20:38:25] <elson> Hello, all, I'm returning from the dead!
[20:39:00] <elson> Really, I got out of the hospital eariler in the week after a bout of pneumonia. I don't recommend it!
[20:39:12] <jmkasunich> ouch
[20:39:21] <jmkasunich> glad to hear you're recovering
[20:39:33] <elson> Yeah, I've been essentially down for 2 weeks, now.
[20:40:12] <elson> Anyway, I got a call from one of my customers, he is having a "no tool" error message. I'm trying to figure out where he is going wrong.
[20:41:05] <BigJohnT> jmkasunich: how you making out with the water?
[20:41:13] <elson> He is using a G43, and I had him try a bunch of stuff, like changing Tx to T0 (tool zero) but he still gets the error. I haven't run into this one.
[20:41:28] <jmkasunich> BigJohnT: ?
[20:41:58] <elson> BigJohnT: water? you mean in the lungs? I'm trying to cough it up, it takes a long time to get rid of.
[20:42:17] <elson> Oh, that was to JMK.
[20:42:27] <BigJohnT> oh that was dmess
[20:42:36] <BigJohnT> jumping back and forth
[20:43:01] <dmess> still rising... we'll see... posted a pic..
[20:43:08] <elson> Flooding, I guess. it tends to be really regional. I have lived on hills and stayed out of the flood plain.
[20:43:21] <BigJohnT> dmess: hope it works out
[20:43:52] <dmess> it usually does.. other wise im leaveing and calling the insurance company..
[20:44:36] <dmess> i may even bust up my breakwall before i leave...
[20:44:49] <BigJohnT> glad I left the big easy when I did
[20:45:06] <BigJohnT> but tornados are worse
[20:45:20] <dmess> i hear ya..
[20:46:04] <BigJohnT> I had a 5 pass 900 feet to the north of my fab shop/garage house a few years back
[20:46:05] <elson> Yeah, flood water is one of those things you really can't do much about. Tornados are generally so small and spotty, unless you live in Xenia OH, they are not likely to get you. Floods spread OUT and fill vast areas.
[20:46:36] <dmess> i seen about 6.. while flying OUT of KC... 1 hour before flight time.... pilot said if were going.. its in the next 5 minutes.. get on the plane...
[20:47:05] <elson> Yow, F5 is serious business! I've been through a couple tornado-producing storms, but nothing like that!
[20:48:00] <dmess> there wer about 7 cores coming together.... from above it was a sight...
[20:48:06] <elson> The only potential F6 I know of was Xenia, OH, in the early 1970's. There really is no F6 on the scale, but Fujita himself said that one exceeded the F5 rating.
[20:49:11] <dmess> sorry 6-7 individuals.. coming together...
[20:49:26] <elson> Anyway, to get back on topic, has anyone had the "no tool" error message from EMC2 with Axis?
[20:49:55] <dmess> dont knok what severity they were... Just glad my as was out a there..
[20:55:06] <fenn> elson: and he's doing a M6 right?
[20:55:11] <BigJohnT> the f5 took every house down to the groung in it's path and knocked over about 75 125' oak trees on my little place
[20:55:46] <elson> Yes, I'm sure he has the M06 in there.
[20:57:55] <cradek> hi jon
[20:58:00] <BigJohnT> elson: did he upgrade to 2.2?
[20:58:00] <cradek> what's the exact error?
[21:00:09] <cradek> AXIS says "No Tool" at the bottom when no tool is loaded, but I have not seen that in an error message
[21:01:23] <dmess> is there data in the tool table cooresponding to that tool???
[21:03:30] <dmess> bbl
[21:11:00] <elson> Hmmm, well, no, he would not be at 2.2, I don't have the exact message, this was all bone by phone.
[21:11:39] <elson> I couldn;t remember how to view the tool table from Axis while we were on the phone.
[21:13:12] <BigJohnT> I'm at my machine shop so I don't have EMC here... so I just remembered something about the tool table and upgrading but didn't look too close at it cause I don't use the tool table for my plasma machine...
[21:13:28] <cradek> File/Edit tool table
[21:13:49] <elson> But that is a 2.2 feature?
[21:13:53] <cradek> so you don't know the error message and you don't know what was in the tool table ... wow :-)
[21:14:15] <cradek> I'm not sure if it's in 2.1, it's been so long
[21:14:21] <cradek> you're right it might be 2.2 only
[21:14:22] <elson> Sorry, I do the best I can when people call me on the phone with vaguely defined problems.
[21:14:51] <elson> This guy can't even use a text editor, he uses a browser to edit files.
[21:15:01] <cradek> I understand it's tough
[21:15:07] <BigJohnT> I know how that goes I get calls like the allen bradley quit working can you fix it?
[21:16:01] <elson> He shipped me the computer and controller for software upgrade and to try to track down what looks like an EMI problem.
[21:16:29] <elson> That was early fall, and now he is trying to use it for the first time!
[21:18:17] <elson> Well, I'm going to have to try some of this out here, I have the same version loaded on my mini-mill system. I haven't used tool offsets on that in a while, so I'm rusty on the details.
[21:18:37] <fenn> gee elson sounds like you should start selling tech support packages
[21:19:25] <elson> Oh, crap! I'd be terrible at it, and always afraid to charge what my time (ought to be) worth!
[21:20:10] <cradek> I know that feeling
[21:22:27] <elson> Well, thanks, guys - just trying to stay ahead of the chaos. I hate it when the customer asks a question and I have to say I haven't done that in 5 years and am not sure I remember all the steps.
[21:23:03] <cradek> I use TLO all the time - it hasn't even changed for a while
[21:23:13] <cradek> so (guessing) his tool table is probably wrong
[21:24:08] <elson> OK, I used to use it a lot on my Bridgeport, and I had a bunch of tools with a known offset from a "reference" tool, so I only had to touch off with the ref tool and all the others would be right.
[21:24:28] <cradek> right
[21:24:38] <elson> I'm sure his table is wrong, as he has never seen it since I did the upgrade.
[21:24:41] <cradek> dangit the keyboard on my bridgeport has finally given up
[21:25:04] <cradek> membrane keyboards suck
[21:26:42] <elson> I got a $19 plastic cover from Newark, they send you a card and you count keys, fill out the card and send it in, and a week later the cover comes in a little box. It fits perfectly, but can be harmed by really hot chips. But, it keeps the chips and coolant out of the kbd, so you can use a generic PC kbd.
[21:27:30] <cradek> that sounds nice
[21:27:42] <cradek> this is the original membrane control though, not something I can just replace
[21:29:21] <fenn> sounds like its time for an overhaul
[21:30:10] <elson> OH, real Bridgeport BOSS! There are people selling these things on eBay when they scrap one out. No telling if they are in better shape, though. The keyboard encoder chip on my Allen-Bradley 7320 died, and it was a custom version that produced EIA codes instead of ASCII. I used the standard ASCII chip and added an EPROM code translator to it. I could actually made a business making these back in 1998 or so as they were all flaking
[21:30:10] <elson> out.
[21:31:37] <elson> There is a possibility that the underlying contact array is a standard part, and the colored cover could be moved to a new contact board.
[21:32:36] <cradek> I beat it with my fist and it's working (half the time) again
[21:32:49] <fenn> cradek: what would be involved in putting emc2 in charge?
[21:33:08] <elson> Hmmm, that might be a bad connector, not the keypad array itself.
[21:33:27] <cradek> elson: it "sees" a different key when I press it
[21:33:51] <cradek> fenn: that's definitely the eventual goal
[21:34:08] <elson> Yeah, after my bout with the Allen-Bradley 7320, I wouldn't fool with any aging proprietary control much before ripping it out.
[21:34:58] <cradek> yep
[21:35:11] <cradek> I have the schematic. I could make a whole new keyboard, but why do that
[21:35:26] <elson> Well, then it sure could be cracks in the board traces in the keypad board. Many of those things had HORRIBLE contacts and printed graphite traces on plastic, and no way would they hold up to heavy use.
[21:36:49] <cradek> well 23 years? and counting on this one
[21:36:52] <elson> Just the safety aspects of unreliable control of a machine tool would give me the willies! I make enough mistakes entering coordinates, etc. I don't need any mechanized "help" making mistakes.
[21:38:15] <elson> Yeah, that's about the same vintage as the A-B 7320, and any time I opened up the cabinet and disturbed the cables, I spent 2 hours wiggling and reseating connectors until it would work again.
[21:38:34] <robin_sz> * robin_sz panics
[21:38:39] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods /me nods
[21:38:48] <robin_sz> hey anon!
[21:38:52] <robin_sz> :))
[21:38:54] <anonimasu> hey robin
[21:38:55] <robin_sz> hows you
[21:39:00] <anonimasu> pm
[21:39:33] <elson> Well, I gotta get some actual work done.
[21:40:16] <fenn> i think i'll go putter in the basement until i get cold again
[21:59:08] <alex_joni> http://youtube.com/watch?v=wskT6YfVB6E
[21:59:12] <BigJohnT> rayh: hi
[21:59:19] <rayh> Hi Guys
[21:59:33] <dmess> hi ray...
[21:59:35] <alex_joni> hi ray
[21:59:52] <rayh> Having a good time?
[22:00:03] <BigJohnT> making parts for my plasma cutter
[22:00:11] <rayh> Great.
[22:00:18] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is recovering from a cold
[22:00:38] <rayh> Recovering is good. Cold is not good.
[22:00:42] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: is that what they are calling mono these days ;)
[22:01:06] <BigJohnT> alex_joni: thanks for the help the other day you gave me enough info to get it done
[22:01:13] <rayh> I've got a problem running the latency test on a new install.
[22:01:31] <rayh> It says mode is one-shot and stops.
[22:01:56] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: great.. hope I didn't gave you too much :)
[22:02:13] <alex_joni> rayh: emc's latency test? or the one from RTAI?
[22:02:15] <BigJohnT> no just enough to make me think and figure it out
[22:02:20] <rayh> rtai
[22:02:23] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: that was the intent
[22:02:29] <alex_joni> rayh: no idea.. try the emc one
[22:02:36] <alex_joni> 'latency-test'
[22:02:39] <rayh> Okay, how
[22:02:54] <alex_joni> it'll do the rest
[22:02:59] <alex_joni> just type that
[22:03:08] <alex_joni> (you need a post 2.1 emc2 I think)
[22:03:24] <rayh> Ah that's why.
[22:03:46] <rayh> That install is 2.1
[22:03:57] <alex_joni> I'm not 100% sure it's in 2.1
[22:04:12] <rayh> command not found
[22:04:20] <alex_joni> try latency<tab>
[22:04:34] <alex_joni> might be a bug in my memory :)
[22:04:54] <rayh> not found
[22:05:35] <rayh> I wonder if I can move one into this install without moving all of it?
[22:05:38] <alex_joni> maybe try it with this:
http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/emc2/scripts/latency-test?rev=1.5;content-type=text%2Fplain
[22:08:49] <JymmmEMC> I need 13A peak for my spindle, do you think this might work?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Solid-State-Relays-SSR-24-480V-AC-25A-Heat-Sink_W0QQitemZ230205469260QQihZ013QQcategoryZ78207QQcmdZViewItem
[22:09:08] <JymmmEMC> I'm a bit confused on the inductive load in their desc
[22:12:42] <BigJohnT> jingle bombs that'
[22:12:47] <BigJohnT> s a hoot
[22:14:13] <rayh> unknown command in that halrun lat.hal
[22:14:32] <rayh> Guess I'll have to upgrade to do those tests.
[22:17:54] <alex_joni> rayh: run in place?
[22:20:40] <BigJohnT> alex_joni: you mentioned that you should not be able to jog to the limit switches... when I set my x axis limits to 0 and 49 when I home I get an error about exceding soft limits so I set it to -.5 and it goes away. My home offset it -.5...
[22:23:29] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: you can use HOME = 0, HOME_OFFSET = -.5
[22:23:36] <alex_joni> then travel can be between 0 and whatever
[22:23:58] <alex_joni> it will search for the switch, use it as the HOME_OFFSET position, then move to HOME
[22:24:05] <BigJohnT> I think that is what I have, I get the error during homing
[22:24:58] <BigJohnT> after a home i have -0.000 and I think that triggers the error...
[22:25:06] <rayh> This is an installed 2.1
[22:25:53] <alex_joni> rayh: and there's no 'halrun' ?
[22:26:14] <rayh> Got the latency script in the right place but missing timedelta
[22:26:15] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: then maybe make the limits something like -.2 .. 49.8
[22:26:25] <rayh> ah that too
[22:26:32] <alex_joni> rayh: ah, ok..
[22:27:27] <rayh> BigJohnT: I use a quarter inch step away from the limit for home zero then -.2 to xx for the soft limits.
[22:27:59] <rayh> bbl
[22:32:17] <BigJohnT> that is what I did...
[22:32:48] <BigJohnT> back and forth setting up the cnc mill between parts...
[22:37:13] <BigJohnT> ok back
[22:37:36] <BigJohnT> rayh: bty inverting the pin did not do any good
[22:37:51] <BigJohnT> I think it is my parallel port
[22:41:07] <BigJohnT> alex_joni: where are you located?
[22:41:13] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: romania
[22:41:22] <BigJohnT> never been there
[22:41:33] <alex_joni> well.. it's not quite close to the US :)
[22:42:00] <BigJohnT> I use to work in west africa and spent a lot of time in europe
[22:42:29] <BigJohnT> my buddy here grandfather is from romania
[22:42:35] <alex_joni> nice :)
[22:43:10] <BigJohnT> jammin to eric johnson cliffs of dover
[22:43:32] <BigJohnT> he went to visit there last summer had a blast
[22:44:17] <BigJohnT> now some kate bush coffee homeground!
[22:44:55] <alex_joni> wot's that?
[22:44:59] <BigJohnT> maybe some kraftwork next
[22:45:06] <BigJohnT> kate bush?
[22:45:28] <BigJohnT> singer
[22:45:32] <alex_joni> n/m.. found it
[22:45:45] <BigJohnT> some real range in her voice
[22:47:58] <BigJohnT> now for some king crimson while I change parts in the mill...
[22:52:54] <alex_joni> good night all
[22:53:18] <BigJohnT> good night
[23:08:19] <fenn> so long touchscreen..
[23:50:09] <gezr> holy new folks batman
[23:50:44] <gezr> just thought Ide stop by and say hello and happy holidays to my ole friends in here
[23:51:11] <skunkworks> right back at you!
[23:51:30] <gezr> i bet robin is sleeping right?
[23:52:01] <gezr> does les still come around?
[23:52:09] <skunkworks> I would think so.. Yes - he was on today
[23:52:18] <skunkworks> (being in the uk and all)
[23:52:33] <gezr> does paulC still come around?
[23:52:43] <skunkworks> heh - no.
[23:52:48] <gezr> oh?
[23:53:16] <gezr> maybe I shoudlnt ask probably better that the oh is just ignored
[23:53:34] <skunkworks> he didn't like the direction that emc2 went.. so he is doing his own thing.
[23:53:36] <skunkworks> http://www.tuxcnc.org/
[23:54:02] <gezr> all be darned
[23:56:35] <gezr> I dont konw what to say about all of that