#emc | Logs for 2012-01-18

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[00:00:45] * JT-Shop learned a valuable lesson tonight... don't use the pinout from a Cat6e jack on a Cat5e jack... they ain't the same :/
[00:02:57] <jdhNC> they aren't?
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[00:03:33] <JT-Shop> nope
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[00:04:33] <JT-Shop> from top left 6e is 1 2 3 4 and top right 8 7 6 5
[00:05:29] <JT-Shop> 5e 2 1 3 5 and 7 8 6 4
[00:06:06] <JT-Shop> it's amazing how well it works when the wires are punched down in the right spot
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[00:18:00] * JT-Shop listens to a classic by the Drifters
[00:21:15] <clytle374> So where do I load rtai_smi? Wiki says rtapi.conf, but the files says not to edit it.
[00:22:27] <jdhNC> anyone know what the smallest normal axial lead resistor is? Smaller than 1/8watt?
[00:24:11] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Gad you got it going
[00:24:16] <Jymmm> Glad
[00:25:43] <JT-Shop> me too Jymmm, I think port 4 is crapped out on the switch and that is what the cat6e cable was plugged into
[00:26:13] <JT-Shop> so two different problems made me start drinking early... I think
[00:26:22] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: lol
[00:27:04] <Jymmm> jdhNC: since resistors are only axial leads, are you talking resistors or caps? ohms or wattage? coke or pepsi?
[00:27:49] <jdhNC> vs. smt
[00:28:29] <jdhNC> I need some really small 10k resistors.
[00:28:35] <Jymmm> I know nuttin about smt excecpt you need a microscope
[00:28:48] <jdhNC> I thought 1/4w would be small enough, but they are relatively bulky
[00:29:08] <jdhNC> so before I pay to have another few hundred 1/8w ones shipped, I'd look around.
[00:29:21] <Jymmm> ah
[00:29:31] <Tom_itx> 1/16w i believe
[00:30:02] <Tom_itx> stand em on end
[00:30:17] <jdhNC> http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-82406536151577_2192_6473206
[00:30:21] <Tom_itx> or be a real man and get smt
[00:30:32] <jdhNC> inside the shrinkwrap in the middle.
[00:30:56] <jdhNC> 1/4w leaves a long unflexible section
[00:31:09] <Tom_itx> i forget what these are, maybe 1/16w
[00:31:12] <Tom_itx> lemme look
[00:31:51] <Tom_itx> no they're 1/8 w
[00:32:20] <jdhNC> this one is 1.5mm in the shrink-wrap
[00:32:35] <jdhNC> that assembly is $19.57
[00:32:43] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/how_to/atmega168/breadboard_basic_side.jpg
[00:32:49] <Tom_itx> the one in that pic is 1/8w
[00:33:43] <jdhNC> heh... I've made pretty much that exact breadboard
[00:33:58] <Tom_itx> i did that for my tutorials
[00:34:11] <jdhNC> never did labels though, that would help.
[00:34:21] <Tom_itx> cause it's simple
[00:34:53] <Tom_itx> hint: don't use paper, use labels because they'll stick to the wire a little until you get them shrunk
[00:34:56] <Jymmm> that's not SMT
[00:35:03] <Tom_itx> no it's not
[00:35:59] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Did you make those labels cbales?
[00:36:04] <Tom_itx> most everything else i do is though
[00:36:11] <Jymmm> RST, GND, etc
[00:36:12] <Tom_itx> yes
[00:36:37] <Jymmm> eeeesh, tiny soldering there, no bluges
[00:36:40] <Jymmm> bulges
[00:37:24] <jdhNC> after I make a few, I'll probably be willing to just pay the $19.57
[00:37:50] <Tom_itx> jdhNC what are you making?
[00:38:06] <jdhNC> signal splitter for an oxygen sensor
[00:38:32] <jdhNC> http://www.addheliumstore.com/recesp.html
[00:39:49] <jdhNC> only 1/16w I see are 0402
[00:40:04] <Tom_itx> yeah i doubt they make em in axial
[00:41:11] <jdhNC> I eBay'ed 25 1/8's for $4 shipped
[00:43:38] <skunkKandT> jdhNC: automotive?
[00:45:02] <skunkKandT> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mach1mach2cnc/message/132868
[00:45:48] <jdhNC> skunk: no, medical
[00:45:57] <skunkKandT> h
[00:45:59] <skunkKandT> ah
[00:47:25] <Jymmm> skunkKandT: were you just pointing out the emc attractive part, or ???
[00:47:42] <skunkKandT> yes?
[00:47:50] <Jymmm> k
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[01:04:24] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: What "auto mux" is the switch/router will automatically switch between straight and crossover connected hosts. So this way no matter if you are using a straight through or crossover cable it doens't matter. Older switch/routers didn't have this feature.
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[02:44:13] ChanServ changed topic of #emc to: LinuxCNC is a linux-based opensource CNC control -- please join #linuxcnc instead of this channel
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[02:58:39] <cradek> cool, f=forward?
[03:00:53] <jepler> yes
[03:02:45] <Tom_itx> are you moving the channel?
[03:03:02] <cradek> the new channel name is #linuxcnc
[03:03:15] <Tom_itx> why the change?
[03:03:17] <cradek> there is an explanation on the mailing list and the forum, as well as here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/32195
[03:03:28] <Tom_itx> oh
[03:03:44] <Tom_itx> to satisfy freenode?
[03:03:51] <cradek> please read
[03:04:38] <Tom_itx> k
[03:04:41] <Tom_itx> i get it
[03:06:03] <clytle374> fair enough, guess they had it first
[03:06:38] <Tom_itx> sometimes freenode wants a channel associated with a product or group is why i wondered
[03:07:05] <Tom_itx> otherwise they give you a ## instead of #
[03:10:52] <Tom_itx> is this channel gonna go away then?
[03:12:26] <cradek> joins to it now redirecto to #linuxcnc
[03:12:30] <cradek> redirect to
[03:13:00] <cradek> I presume it'll stay like that
[03:13:15] <cradek> ... so no more new joins are allowed
[03:14:11] <Tom_itx> maybe you should kick everybody
[03:14:13] <Tom_itx> :)
[03:14:30] <cradek> that would work for people who have auto re-join
[03:14:34] <jdhNC> and make it +i
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[03:16:54] <Tom_itx> it should happen quick so there's no split in chat
[03:17:27] <Tom_itx> if i rebooted or something i may not be able to continue a chat
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[03:17:46] <cradek> so switch now
[03:17:59] <Tom_itx> there's only 10 there
[03:18:37] <Tom_itx> a netsplit or something would screw it all up
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[04:29:17] <Jymmm> cradek: wanna move EVERYONE over now?
[04:30:09] <Tom_itx> it might be a good solution
[04:30:20] <Tom_itx> since it will be split for a good while otherwise
[04:30:40] <Tom_itx> poor jt will wake up on a new planet tomorrow
[04:30:45] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Well, I dont want to do that unless they think it's a "good idea"
[04:32:00] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Their viewpoints on Op's are soemtimes different than mine. I saw shove em off the plank and see who floats =)
[04:32:08] <Jymmm> s/saw/say/
[04:32:53] <Tom_itx> like cradek said, all the autojoins will switch
[04:32:59] <Tom_itx> the rest may not know where to go
[04:33:39] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I can clear the channel, think I should?
[04:34:09] <Tom_itx> i did that once on a channel
[04:34:17] <Tom_itx> it wasn't appreciated very much
[04:34:21] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: theres our first victim now in the new channel
[04:42:10] <Tom_itx> couple good netsplits will fix it all
[05:08:52] <toastyde1th> question for the room:"
[05:09:06] <toastyde1th> does anyone know where the physical interpretation of the parallel resistence law comes from
[05:09:11] <toastyde1th> i.e. anything of the form 1/[ 1/a_1 + 1/a_2 + ... 1/a_n ]
[05:09:24] <toastyde1th> because it came up in something else I was doing for fun and I don't know how to prove to myself it works
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[10:47:00] <wendtmk> Ah, I see I made it to the Not_EMC2 forum... ;-)
[10:48:44] <Valen> i really don't like corporate america
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[10:49:33] <wendtmk> Wonder which really came first, the NIST project or the corporation?
[10:52:43] <wendtmk> And EMC2 (with the 2 being an exponent) was Al Einstein's equation. ;-)
[10:53:57] <Valen> to be fair EMC2 is a bad term to google for
[10:55:14] <wendtmk> wonder why they haven't gone after these guys: http://emc-squared.net/
[10:55:19] <Valen> hah, you dont need steppers to make CnC music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAWF-qhh4pQ&feature=related
[10:57:04] <wendtmk> ROFL! Somebody has waaaaaay too much time on their hands.
[10:57:34] <Valen> No gears in my mill unfortunatly
[10:57:42] <Valen> i wonder if i could do it on the spindle though
[10:58:16] <wendtmk> Heh, if I did that on my spindles my machine would be jumping all over the place.
[10:58:36] <Valen> we have a 24Krpm 3Kw spindle
[10:58:44] <Valen> should be ok ;->
[11:07:26] <wendtmk> I've got two spindles running saws on my machine, with the saws forming a "V". It would be interesting. ;-)
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[11:46:55] <alex_joni> wendtmk: their trademark predates 1993
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[12:14:47] <wendtmk> Alex: Bummer. ;-(
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[12:21:11] <Ekkeri> huh, no ops?
[12:21:47] <Ekkeri> (not familiar with this freenode network thou)
[12:23:48] <Ekkeri> pcw_home, would this be clear enough: http://ekke.kapsi.fi/temp/.7i52e_conversion.jpg hopefully you aren't allergic to colors :)
[12:33:20] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[13:43:05] <awallin> anyone have experience with setting up a PPA? using cmake generated files?
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[13:58:57] <Loetmichel> *grrr* ... Win 7 x64 ans Corel Draw 8 dont mix... now how do i generate my CNC data NOW?
[13:59:42] <alex_joni> virtual machine?
[14:00:48] <Loetmichel> just for corel? bit much...
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[14:47:11] <clytle374> How should we handle the wiki when it comes to pages with names involving emc?
[14:47:29] <clytle374> Since we can't rename a page.
[14:47:50] <Ekkeri> wow, corel draw 8, I think last version I have used is 4 :)
[14:49:42] <Ekkeri> and v8 is from -98 :P
[14:50:17] <Ekkeri> Loetmichel, v14 / X4 seems to be first one with 64-bit W7 support
[14:51:11] <Loetmichel> Ekkeri: v8 i have a license, x4 i have to buy, besides the GUI hase changed a lot.
[14:51:19] <Loetmichel> i dont want to learn new ;-)
[14:51:56] <Loetmichel> i am using xp (my old installation) in a VMware player now.
[14:52:15] <Ekkeri> I feel old now, v4 is from -93, that's 19 years
[14:52:24] <Loetmichel> good idea to backup th old system with Acronis before installing win7 pro x64
[14:52:26] <alex_joni> I have a v4 licence somewhere
[14:52:38] <Loetmichel> ... that can be converted to a virtual machine ;-)
[14:52:57] <Loetmichel> Ekkeri: i have started with version 4 also ;-)
[14:54:31] <Ekkeri> I was thinking to use VM in Ubuntu for XP & some softwares, but decided it's easier to just install it seperately, hopefully I won't need it that often :)
[14:55:03] <Loetmichel> ... and my first computer was a zx81. payed about 300,-DM Newspaper-boy-money for it. ;-)
[14:55:14] <Loetmichel> <- is not feeling old
[14:55:18] <Loetmichel> <- IS old ;-)
[14:56:18] <Ekkeri> there were some 1000 page manuals for kvm/xen/etc. and some issues with 10.04 etc. so I gave up :)
[14:56:45] <Ekkeri> I have zx45!
[14:57:34] <Ekkeri> but it's a mill, not computer :/
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[14:58:36] <Ekkeri> I started with C64
[14:58:36] <Loetmichel> Ekkeri: i had installed Vmware player in a ubuntu 9.04. had run like a charm without any hiccups. so it IS possible ;-)
[14:58:54] <jdhNC> I started with 4 vaccuum tubes and some toggle switches
[14:59:14] <Ekkeri> Loetmichel, :)
[15:00:15] <Loetmichel> Ekkeri: bought the sinclair ZX-81 as a DIY-kit in '82... ;-)
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[15:00:40] <jepler> I started with Atari 2600 Cartridge Basic. http://www.atariprotos.com/2600/software/basicprog/basicprog.htm
[15:00:49] <Ekkeri> jdhNC, ok, you might be a bit older than me :D
[15:01:18] <jdhNC> or, I'm lying. I do remember vacuum tube testers in stores though.
[15:01:54] <jdhNC> my first was a TRS80
[15:01:54] <Ekkeri> I would like to have one
[15:02:08] <Ekkeri> I have some tube amps etc. :)
[15:02:13] <clytle374> Tube testers, and sales people that wee knowledgeable
[15:02:20] <Loetmichel> Ekkeri: build one yourself
[15:02:32] <Loetmichel> it isnt THAT complicated
[15:02:35] <Ekkeri> Loetmichel, too much diy projects already :D
[15:03:18] <Loetmichel> harhar, THAT i can relate to ;-)
[15:04:18] <Ekkeri> but I will glue some pulleys to servos now, hopefully they will stay put
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[15:11:56] <Loetmichel> Ekkeri: if not: drill diagonnaly through pulley and axle and hammer a pin in ;-)
[15:12:02] <Loetmichel> +l
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[15:27:44] <TRW_Aguascalient> Hi, im planing to use the mesa 7i42 breakout card but im not sure how much current can it source to drive a load in each pin, some ideas?
[15:29:47] <Ekkeri> Loetmichel, yes, just a bit extra work, we will see
[15:29:49] <TRW_Aguascalient> the manual said something around 5mA but mentions that current for ttl levels, my loads are 24mA 5V relays so do im in a trouble
[15:30:32] <Ekkeri> that axle might not be too fun to drill
[15:32:22] <Ekkeri> luckily there's a flat bit in key way so shouldn't be too tricky
[15:34:07] <Loetmichel> Ekkeri: TC bits and a stady hand ;-)
[15:34:55] <Ekkeri> TRW_Aguascalient, is there >24mA option in FPGA outputs?
[15:36:15] <Ekkeri> Loetmichel, I don't think so :)
[15:36:15] <TRW_Aguascalient> the manual said The 7I42 places 50 Ohm resistors in series with each I/O pin. These resistors will
[15:36:15] <TRW_Aguascalient> limit the output drive capabilities of the attached FPGA card. When the 7I42 is used and
[15:36:15] <TRW_Aguascalient> FPGA outputs are programmed for 24 mA drive, no more than 8 mA loads should be
[15:36:15] <TRW_Aguascalient> driven if TTL output levels are to be maintained.
[15:36:15] <Ekkeri> TRW_Aguascalient, 7I37 might have been better choice for those
[15:37:16] <TRW_Aguascalient> the problem is the pin density i will need more than 26 inputs and 20 outputs
[15:37:24] <Ekkeri> Loetmichel, my friend have a small mill with rotary table and small chuck, that might do the trick :)
[15:38:40] <Ekkeri> TRW_Aguascalient, 7I64 is remote 24 out&in
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[15:42:17] <Ekkeri> 48V 2.5A, what are those relays for?
[15:43:06] <Ekkeri> wow, that's pricey board :)
[15:43:17] <Ekkeri> 200$
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[16:43:01] <saschi> hi
[16:57:55] <Jymmm> I'll say it again... GAWD ITS COLD!!! How you mid/east coast folks deal with this is beyond me!
[16:59:25] <pcw_home> Yesterday morning was the coldest this year (N calif) 26F
[16:59:27] <pcw_home> Todays not bad (32F or so)
[16:59:56] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I'm in S. SJ. it's butt cold!!!
[17:00:33] <syyl> hmm, -10C (14F) today.-..
[17:00:41] <Jymmm> pcw_home: 32f you can jsut kiss my frozen ass!!! lol
[17:00:57] <pcw_home> Yeah I think the clouds/moisture/warmth are hitting us first
[17:01:17] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I have to think the homidity level is making it feel colder too
[17:01:33] <psha> and we as usual have warm winter - -10C
[17:02:07] <syyl> tonight forecast says warmer and rain...
[17:02:17] <syyl> in combination with the cold streets...
[17:02:26] <syyl> i think i will slide to work tomorrow ;)
[17:02:26] <alex_joni> it's -2C here
[17:03:03] <alex_joni> only dropped below freezing 2days ago
[17:04:11] <pcw_home> Weve had a very warm and dry winter here so can hardly complain much about the cold
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[17:04:47] <syyl> complaining about the weather is useless anyway :D
[17:05:06] <pcw_home> My brother in Austria says its been a late winter coming there as well
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[17:05:31] <syyl> same here in germany
[17:05:39] <syyl> had a warm winter untill last week
[17:05:44] <alex_joni> yup, late but still in time
[17:05:53] <syyl> yep
[17:05:59] <syyl> not to unusual
[17:06:07] * alex_joni planned a skitrip in austria early febr
[17:06:31] <syyl> where are you from? Oo
[17:07:23] <alex_joni> syyl: me?
[17:07:23] <pcw_home> They've had to run snow machines for skiing here
[17:07:33] <syyl> yep
[17:07:39] <alex_joni> .ro
[17:07:49] <syyl> ah, ok
[17:11:25] <jdhNC> no sub-freezing temps here in the 10 day forecast :)
[17:11:27] <Jymmm> Tossed a new propane bottle on the heater!!!
[17:12:02] <Jymmm> (I'm in the uninsulated garage, so feeling the cold big time)
[17:12:17] <Loetmichel> syyl: got the wron tyres mounted?
[17:12:47] <Jymmm> http://www.mrheater.com/product.aspx?catid=41&id=24
[17:12:59] <Loetmichel> 'cause a little ice on te street is nothing to worrsy if the speed is fitting the weather and the qwheels have SOME grip ;-)
[17:13:00] <syyl> summer tires on ice?
[17:13:04] <syyl> of course not
[17:13:50] <Jymmm> Man, I'd love to stick this heater under my desk right about now
[17:15:25] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: so insulate the garage. isnt THAT expensive
[17:15:35] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: rental
[17:16:15] <Loetmichel> so what?
[17:16:15] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: suck landlord
[17:16:28] <Loetmichel> some stryrofoam, some plywood, a few screws... nearly invisible removeabe ;-)
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[17:19:28] <Loetmichel> and cheaper in the long run, materials (styrofoam and plywood and som 2b4s) vs. propane
[17:19:54] <Loetmichel> two by fours
[17:20:21] <jdhNC> do they use '2x4' in .de?
[17:21:04] <Loetmichel> no
[17:21:18] <Loetmichel> its called "dachlatte over here"
[17:21:31] <Loetmichel> and its more like 1" by 2"
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[17:22:17] <Loetmichel> (roof batten)
[17:22:37] <jdhNC> we have similar size furring strips
[17:24:41] <Loetmichel> what are furring strips?
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[17:27:46] <Loetmichel> ah, google helped. yes, thts about the size of "dachlatte"
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[17:29:12] <mrsun> heh =)
[17:33:54] <Jymmm> mrsun: Welcome to the new emc, err LinuxCNC ;)
[17:35:51] <syyl> hm
[17:35:58] <syyl> emc sounded much cooler :D
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[17:37:53] <Loetmichel> that casts the question: why am i here?
[17:38:14] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/32195
[17:38:36] <Loetmichel> i still have /j #emc in my perform...
[17:38:50] <Jymmm> auto fwd
[17:39:06] <Loetmichel> ah
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[17:42:22] <Loetmichel> hmmm... i think thte emc corp is a little insecuee if the think they have to inforce copyrights this way.
[17:42:31] <Loetmichel> insecure
[17:43:24] <Jymmm> Like the post said, they have been nice about it. They could have been total pricks.
[17:43:38] <Loetmichel> if thet trademark is real (and holding) and was mine i woulnd not care about a CNC software having the same name
[17:43:54] <Loetmichel> yes, i've read it
[17:44:23] <Jymmm> 1) It's about branding, and 2) they MUST protect their trademark by law, or lose it completely.
[17:44:39] <Loetmichel> still i donts see the infrigement. the make some soft like SAP IIRC, nothing like CNC contrpollers
[17:44:49] <Jymmm> If they let someone slide (like us), they are not "enforcing" it.
[17:45:26] <Loetmichel> i've read that before. silly law.
[17:45:45] <Loetmichel> its like jack wulfskin and the paw
[17:45:56] <Loetmichel> woldskin?
[17:45:59] <Loetmichel> grrr
[17:46:02] <Jymmm> maybe so, and laws suck, but what cha gonna do?
[17:46:03] <Loetmichel> wolfskin
[17:46:25] <Loetmichel> nothing.
[17:47:37] <Loetmichel> err: throw a lot of money at lawyers and hope to mount the older rights or comply to their requests and rename the cnc soft
[17:48:04] <Loetmichel> like always: the one with the bigger war-purse wins.
[17:49:07] <Jymmm> http://www.emc.com/legal/emc-corporation-trademarks.htm
[17:49:16] <Jymmm> It's not bigger purse, it's ownership.
[17:49:46] <Loetmichel> i understand that, but that doesent mean i have to like it
[17:49:53] <Jymmm> lol
[17:50:20] <Jymmm> so I own blah and you dont like it and gonna rant because you want it?
[17:51:41] <Loetmichel> as long as no one can prove he hase used blah before you i i understand american law correclty
[17:52:26] <Loetmichel> i dont raqnt at all
[17:52:38] <Loetmichel> rant
[17:53:31] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: so, this isnt a rant? ---> 2012-01-18 09:48:04 Loetmichel: like always: the one with the bigger war-purse wins.
[17:53:53] <Loetmichel> no, just a statement of fact ;-)
[17:53:59] <Jymmm> lol @ Loetmichel
[17:54:19] <Jymmm> you silly delusional goose!
[17:54:46] <Loetmichel> am i?
[17:54:58] <Jymmm> a wee bit
[17:55:24] <Jymmm> but thats ok, you have to be a lil crazy to survive in this world
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[17:56:46] <IchGucksLive> oh new channel name
[17:56:54] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: just becaus i have no trust whatsever in any jue i am delusional?
[17:57:00] <Loetmichel> judge
[17:57:10] <IchGucksLive> today the alover change
[17:57:26] <Jymmm> IchGucksLive: yeah, see /topic
[17:57:53] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Oh, I dont trust the entire judicial system
[17:59:13] <Loetmichel> s/judge/jurisdictional system of any country
[18:03:21] <mrsun> gah i hate my freakin mind, "oh yeah lets do this .. *start making stuff* ... there has to be a better way, *lose faith in self and life and lay down at the stupid computer again*" ....
[18:03:34] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[18:03:51] * Loetmichel is still in the computer phase.
[18:05:25] <Loetmichel> i am sitting in the bathtub and painting a rail for the curtain of a child Punch-and-Judy show
[18:06:08] <Loetmichel> and generating the g-code for the rail
[18:06:48] <mrsun> so much scraping left to do on the mill also :/
[18:07:02] <mrsun> and tables dovetails is 0.1mm off from one side to the other ... fun ...
[18:07:11] <syyl> i have something to scrape soon, too
[18:07:15] <syyl> a vice..
[18:07:51] <mrsun> but the bottom slide that i scraped first slides like a dream now and 0 rocking back and forth, can have it very tight and it still slides nice
[18:07:58] <mrsun> before i had to have it realy loose for it to slide good
[18:08:07] <syyl> sounds good :)
[18:08:23] <mrsun> but do not have dovetail cutters so dont know how to fix the table :P
[18:09:00] <syyl> nobody near you with a big shaper?
[18:09:08] <syyl> or a milling machine
[18:09:39] <mrsun> syyl, milling machine i can borrow at my old work, but they do not have dovetail cutter either
[18:09:46] <mrsun> shapers arent very common around here :P
[18:10:10] <Loetmichel> mrsun: file it? :-)))
[18:10:19] <mrsun> Loetmichel, eh ? :P
[18:11:36] <Loetmichel> use a three corner file ;-)
[18:11:43] <Loetmichel> and some patience ;-)
[18:11:47] <syyl> scraper is faster
[18:12:29] <mrsun> Loetmichel, sounds like a way to mess up :P
[18:12:41] <Loetmichel> mrsun: right.
[18:13:17] <mrsun> Loetmichel, but are you serious? :)
[18:13:18] <Loetmichel> but if its not much worn it may be possibe to do it by hand
[18:13:24] <Loetmichel> filing or grinding
[18:13:26] <mrsun> but arent a 3 corner file 60 degree? :)
[18:13:46] <mrsun> Loetmichel, its not worn its the chinease that doesnt know how to use an indicator
[18:13:47] <syyl> to be serious
[18:13:55] <syyl> .1mm is scraped away pretty fast
[18:14:33] <mrsun> syyl, but its over the whole length ... so 100mm taper :P
[18:14:39] <mrsun> feels like alot of scraping :P
[18:14:47] <mrsun> maybe not compared to the work ive already done tho :P
[18:14:50] <syyl> big radius on the blade and go for it :)
[18:17:02] <syyl> let there be chips ;)
[18:17:10] <mrsun> tho i guess i would need a prism also :P
[18:17:26] <mrsun> (havent touched the dovetails yet realy :P
[18:17:42] <syyl> then you need to make one :)
[18:18:08] <mrsun> mm figures, a day at the mill :P
[18:18:34] <syyl> bar of cast iron, saw to triangular shape
[18:18:34] <syyl> scrape
[18:18:34] <syyl> :D
[18:18:34] <syyl> ok, milling will work too ;)
[18:18:43] <mrsun> syyl, was more hoping to have a prism in the actual angle i need =)
[18:18:52] <mrsun> so i can slide it against the scraped surface i have already =)
[18:19:07] <syyl> the exact angle dosnt matter
[18:26:19] <mrsun> hmm ok
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[18:28:59] <mrsun> hmm, how to fix a piece that is like 300mm long and i want to mill an angle over the whole thing
[18:30:08] <mrsun> ofc not that hard if the piece was thinner :P
[18:47:39] <Jymmm> ofc? Office?
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[18:56:34] <andypugh> Ah, so, a properly magic rename?
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[19:01:41] <morfic> mrsun: can you bolt it to another block and mill over the side opposite the threads you aded to hold it against the block?
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[19:36:29] <dgarr> i was working on an i8n update so i added rebranding and rebased as of a few minutes ago. for consideration:
[19:36:32] <dgarr> http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/ngcgui_18jan12.mbox
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[20:15:06] <mrsun> gah, not a single reference is straight to eachother
[20:15:15] <mrsun> they have to had this table into like 10 different machines
[20:15:27] <mrsun> why not make it in one single machine ? :P
[20:15:33] <syyl> they throw it on a surface grinder
[20:15:37] <syyl> put the magnet on
[20:15:39] <syyl> and grind something
[20:15:43] <mrsun> yeah
[20:15:49] <syyl> even if its totaly warped by the magnet
[20:15:56] <syyl> "its ground!"
[20:16:34] <mrsun> if i only could find a plate thick enough to make myself a table
[20:16:42] <mrsun> and i could throw this one to the scrapheap gods
[20:17:45] <mrsun> bolt it down one time, mill it all the steps in one single reference
[20:18:33] <syyl> thats the way to do it :D
[20:18:54] <syyl> or roughcut, stress release it in the oven, finish it
[20:19:05] <mrsun> syyl, yeah, as long as one indicates it properly
[20:19:13] <mrsun> before finnishing =)
[20:19:25] <syyl> should be doable ;)
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[20:20:10] <mrsun> even if it would take a couple of days it would still go alot faster then trying to fix something someone else broke with a sledge hammer and a ram
[20:20:46] <syyl> you need somebody who can do castings ;)
[20:21:10] <mrsun> i do castings but not in iron :/
[20:21:20] <mrsun> cant get enough heat just yet =)
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[20:25:08] <mrsun> 1175 - 1290 those temperatures shouldnt be to hard to get to!
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[20:26:01] <syyl> friend of mine struggles since a few weeks to get cast iron properly molten
[20:26:10] <syyl> with an waste-oil burner
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[20:27:07] <mrsun> hmm, 870 - 980 or so i have with the propane oven
[20:27:18] <mrsun> thats C
[20:27:41] <mrsun> 1175 is white color .. that far ive not gotten yet =)
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[20:46:04] <mrsun> i wonder how hot compared to waste oil the home heating oil burns with a home heating burner =)
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[21:41:08] <Ekkeri> PCW, are you there?
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[21:41:51] <PCW> somewhat but stomach alarm has rung...
[21:42:15] <Ekkeri> :)
[21:42:44] <Ekkeri> PCW, did you look at this: http://ekke.kapsi.fi/temp/.7i52e_conversion.jpg ?
[21:42:58] <Ekkeri> just wondering if there is something else that needs to be changed
[21:45:27] <PCW> No, that looks ok if slightly strange If it was a standard pinout I would just put all of stepgen 4 somewhere else and have 2 sserial channels on the 7I52E
[21:46:09] <PCW> but I can make it when i get a little free time (later this week)
[21:46:45] <Ekkeri> yup, that might be better choice since I don't have diff. input for that signal
[21:47:03] <Ekkeri> hmm, not sure, there's an opto
[21:48:52] <Ekkeri> not sure what to do with 2 sserials thou :)
[21:49:46] <Ekkeri> I'm hoping that 7I73 is all that I need :)
[21:53:12] <Ekkeri> PCW, any new info about that? datasheet/manual? :)
[21:54:14] <PCW> Manual will probably be next week still working on 7I77 manual ATM
[21:54:42] <Ekkeri> ok
[21:54:56] <Ekkeri> but they should ship soon?
[21:57:17] <Ekkeri> I will contact Duzi(.cz) if he could order one for me
[21:57:17] <PCW> Yes I'm hoping tommorow
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[21:58:42] <SWPDroid> what's a 7I77?
[21:59:21] <Ekkeri> 7I77 Analog servo interface plus I/O daughtercard
[21:59:53] <Ekkeri> for 25-pin I/O FPGA cards
[22:00:13] <andypugh> No, drop that PCW, I want that VFD control sserial card
[22:00:26] <andypugh> The other guys can wait :-)
[22:01:08] <Ekkeri> what type of control? :)
[22:02:16] <andypugh> Potentiometer emulation and enable/dir I think.
[22:02:47] <Ekkeri> ok
[22:03:14] <Ekkeri> luckily my vfd has pulsetrain input
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