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[00:48:44] <Thetawaves> pfred1, i got the parts to an atom 330 based system
[00:49:00] <pfred1> Thetawaves you do?
[00:49:14] <Thetawaves> in the mail
[00:49:26] <pfred1> I was looking at some earlier
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[00:50:06] <pfred1> Thetawaves you'll have to let me know how that works out for you
[00:50:11] <Thetawaves> i got a barebones kit on ebay
[00:50:35] <pfred1> I usually deal with newegg
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[00:50:57] <Thetawaves> i got the ram and cddrive on newegg
[00:51:34] <pfred1> what you need a CD drive for?
[00:51:36] <Thetawaves> and the barebones kit also came from newegg some months ago
[00:51:50] <Thetawaves> why not? it was 18$ for a burner
[00:52:17] <Thetawaves> dvd burner*
[00:52:54] <pfred1> I can't build a system right now HDD prices are too crazy
[00:53:13] <pfred1> I even looked at SSD prices but they're still a bit goofy
[00:55:32] <Thetawaves> i have old ones lying all over
[00:55:38] <Thetawaves> laying
[00:56:01] <Thetawaves> one of these days all of them will stop working
[00:58:38] <pfred1> I didn't stock up before thailand went underwater
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[01:37:29] <pfred1> the batteries just died in my camera
[01:38:53] <pfred1> anyone want to check out the shots I got off before it pooped out on me?
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[08:35:06] <craynerd> Hello
[08:35:36] <craynerd> does anyone know what happens at 49% through the ubuntu/linuxcnc install. My system crashes every time at this point!
[08:36:05] <craynerd> and it is the machine I need it on
[08:45:29] <archivist> try
http://linux.about.com/od/ubuntu_doc/a/ubudg24t8.htm while the boot is in process
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[09:56:51] <Loetmichel_> moin
[09:57:04] <Loetmichel_> s/moin/mornin'
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[16:57:12] <craynerd> Hi guys, I`m totally fed up now.
[16:57:36] <archivist> you are not giving us feedback
[16:57:41] <craynerd> I`ve downloaded the older linuxcnc/ubuntu version, the new one, made a DVD a CD and bootable USB
[16:58:18] <craynerd> all night, I couldn`t install ubuntu on my machine it kept failing half way through.. disk read error
[16:58:26] <craynerd> or files don`t match expected...
[16:58:40] <craynerd> finally today got a new computer...same damn issue!
[16:59:23] <craynerd> any ideas
[16:59:42] <archivist> we need error messages
[17:00:21] <craynerd> Errno 5 Input/output error
[17:00:33] <craynerd> often due to faulty cd/dvd or drive or faulty hard disk
[17:00:43] <craynerd> I`ve burnt a CD, a DVD
[17:00:58] <craynerd> last night I even did a boot USB and got the same issue
[17:01:07] <archivist> yes but are you verifying the md5 on the said media
[17:01:20] <craynerd> yes, verified md5 of iso
[17:01:27] <craynerd> matched fine.
[17:02:16] <craynerd> I just don`t know what else to try
[17:02:23] <archivist> are you writing on a winbox and reading on other boxes or using the same one
[17:02:35] <craynerd> sorry, not clear what that means?
[17:02:56] <craynerd> winbox?
[17:03:48] <archivist> windows computer
[17:04:12] <Connor> Hey Guys, I have a question. I have a 4" Chuck that's mounted to a R8 Shank + Adapter Plate. (The Shank and adapter plate are one unit.) It has 3 socket head screws that I can remove.. but, I still can't get the chuck off the adapter plate. Looks like it might thread onto the plate.. any ideas ?
[17:04:19] <craynerd> I`m still confused. I am writing the disk on this windows XP laptop.
[17:04:20] <archivist> what part is common in all the tests
[17:04:38] <craynerd> well now... the disk is clearly not being read correctly
[17:04:49] <craynerd> I get an input/output error
[17:04:51] <Connor> I want to be able to reinstall it back on the plate too.. I just need to pull it off for a project.
[17:05:22] <craynerd> so it must be the disk image I`m burning, but the iso is fine according to md5 tests
[17:05:42] <archivist> craynerd, it is a bit common that a cd written in one box can be read there but not in others
[17:05:53] <craynerd> but why the usb?
[17:05:56] <craynerd> why the dvd?
[17:06:27] <archivist> is the reader faulty in the other machine
[17:07:17] <craynerd> no, because now I`ve tried two machines!
[17:07:27] <craynerd> I`ve tried 2 Cd drive AND 2 DVD drives!
[17:07:47] <craynerd> likewise, I`m not lying, about 5 harddrives!
[17:07:53] <craynerd> OK, 4 actually
[17:08:00] <bill20r3> are you using the same blanks for all these tries?
[17:08:09] <bill20r3> mabye you got a bum spindle of cd's
[17:08:17] <archivist> cheap tesco blanks?
[17:08:24] <craynerd> bill, I would agree, but then why the same error with the DVDs!
[17:08:27] <craynerd> and the USB!
[17:08:38] <craynerd> I just wish I could get this computer I got today to boot from usb
[17:08:52] <archivist> usb needs some incantations /me never tried
[17:10:03] <archivist> what size hard disk by the way
[17:10:09] <craynerd> 80gb
[17:10:44] <archivist> where was the Errno 5 Input/output error from
[17:15:37] <archivist> from what I can see above all cd's and dvd's were written in the same drive
[17:16:10] <archivist> where abouts are you I could post one
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[17:18:29] <craynerd> uk
[17:18:34] <craynerd> manchester
[17:21:54] <archivist> did you test the md5 of the written cd/dvd
[17:22:37] <archivist> or verify it in the writer software
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[17:41:42] <archivist> is he writing the ISO correctly and not as a file on a files system
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[18:05:56] <IchGuckLive> Hi all around the world
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[18:17:41] <jdhnc> what's stronger, acrylic, cast or extruded, polycarbonate or ?
[18:18:40] <IchGuckLive> depends on the incredeans PMMA is not as good as Makrolon PCTH
[18:20:10] <IchGuckLive> i woudt go for technical use always PC..
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[18:38:27] <mrsun> hmm, can vfds take +5V digital signals or do i need to convert it to +24V?
[18:47:11] <pcw_home> Depends on the VFD. If the VFD expects 5V and you supply 24V you might convert the VFD to a non-working VFD :-)
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[19:39:44] <TRW_Ags_Mx> Hi, i want to synchronized the execution of Gcode segments to with coil events of classicladder, should i use the m command m66? or is there another option?
[19:40:41] <cradek> I think m66 is your only hope
[19:41:04] <cradek> it will let you synchronize the hal/ladder events with the free-running gcode
[19:41:18] <cradek> oh wait, you want the other way
[19:41:27] <cradek> so yeah, I guess so, m66 is the input
[19:41:51] <cradek> you might also want to think about using pause/resume via halui?
[19:41:56] <cradek> depends what you're trying to do exactly.
[19:45:46] <TRW_Ags_Mx> and what about the other way,to start leadder logic after a Gcode movement? m62?
[19:46:03] <cradek> what are you trying to do exactly?
[19:47:24] <TRW_Ags_Mx> leadder logic to load material, g code for machining, and leadder logic to unload material
[19:50:12] <cpresser> you you could also use M101 or similar to trigger a userspace script
[19:50:55] <cpresser> that userspace-stuff could interact with hal via "halcdm setp load-material 1"
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[19:51:33] <cradek> I have done just that, to get M codes for collet open/close etc etc
[19:51:34] <cpresser> M68 basically does the same
[19:56:04] <TRW_Ags_Mx> and what about selective selection of g code subprograms based on leadder states? could i read some flags with m66 and use if endif, ore there is another way?
[20:00:38] <cradek> yes you could do that
[20:01:10] <cradek> seems like this is an unusual enough setup that you're going to have to do your own experimentation
[20:03:47] <TRW_Ags_Mx> is for a grinding machine, im trying to substitute a fancy PLC motion capable, with Linuxcnc.
[20:05:01] <archivist> how will you calibrate our wheel wear
[20:05:05] <archivist> out
[20:06:01] <archivist> I wonder if the torch height fiddle could be useful there
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[20:13:16] <TRW_Ags_Mx> right now there is an operator that uses the traditional paper sheet method, to do the setup of the wheel, and after the first dressing, the PLC counts finished pieces and using motion commands, controls the diamond for the next dressings as required, thats why i need to be able to select sub programs of the gcode, one subprogram for dressing and another for normal operation.
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[20:34:51] <x__> anyone awake?
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[20:36:23] <x__> kirk, you a person or bot?
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[20:38:11] <Kirk_Wallace> Hello, I feel like a real person.
[20:38:34] <jdhnc> post-surgery?
[20:38:51] <x__> wasnt sure everyone seems asleep
[20:38:52] <Kirk_Wallace> ?
[20:39:03] <jdhnc> nevermind.
[20:39:22] <x__> either of you guys familiar with linuxcnc?
[20:39:24] <cradek> x__: wtf
[20:39:35] <cradek> x__: go ahead and ask your real question
[20:40:06] <cradek> there are around 84 people here, and the name of the channel is linuxcnc
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[20:40:13] <x__> just starting out on this and need the login and password for the live cd
[20:40:38] <cradek> it logs in automatically with a live user
[20:40:45] <cradek> where are you seeing a login and password prompt?
[20:40:46] <x__> not mine
[20:40:55] <x__> right when i boot
[20:41:16] <jdhnc> did you install from the live cd? or it is running from the cd?
[20:41:16] <cradek> when you boot live, or after an install?
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[20:41:35] <x__> well right when ubuntu would normally ask for username
[20:41:42] <cradek> when you boot live, or after an install?
[20:41:50] <x__> just running live cd not installed yet
[20:42:24] <cradek> that normally doesn't happen - seems something weird is going on.
[20:43:07] <Kirk_Wallace> Which version LiveCD?
[20:43:08] <cradek> by default ubuntu doesn't even have a login prompt; it gives you a list of accounts.
[20:43:27] <x__> yeah, i checked faq and the forum and a google search and got nothing. i just downloaded and made a live cd to install this
[20:44:17] <x__> this is the newest version of live cd just downloaded today
[20:44:20] <Thetawaves> made = burned
[20:44:21] <Thetawaves> ?
[20:44:24] <x__> yes
[20:44:34] <cradek> did you verify the checksum after your download?
[20:44:42] <x__> no
[20:44:48] <Thetawaves> i will shit bricks if this is a checksum issue
[20:44:55] <cradek> you still can do that if you still have the iso file
[20:45:20] <Kirk_Wallace> I think the very first thing that comes on the screen should be a popup that asks whether you want to run without changes or install.
[20:45:30] <cradek> (a scary percentage of iso downloads fail to give you the fully correct file)
[20:45:35] <Thetawaves> Download file wrong? YOU NO LOG IN!
[20:46:26] <x__> ok. i will redo everything and double check steps. I just wanted to check and see if there was a default login as i didnt see anything about it. thanks guys
[20:47:28] <cradek> don't go do another download until you check the sum of the one you have
[20:47:50] <cradek> if it is correct, maybe burn another cd, maybe at a slower setting
[20:48:11] <x__> yeah thats what i was thinkin too
[20:48:20] <Thetawaves> what kind of hardware are you trying to install on?
[20:53:56] <Kirk_Wallace> I don't mean to be rude, but I'll ask one more time then drop it. What is FOR_ALL_INST()? What does user_mainloop do? It doesn't seem to loop.
[20:56:31] * Thetawaves doesn't know
[20:56:58] <jdhnc> I assume it is a macro? what does the definition look like?
[20:58:43] <Kirk_Wallace> There is an example user comp here:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/hal_comp.html#r1_14_6
[20:59:28] <Kirk_Wallace> I'm trying to get my user comp going here:
http://wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/EMC2/sj200mbbasic/sj200mbbasic.comp
[21:03:49] <Kirk_Wallace> I'm going to cut and try FOR_ALL_INST in different ways, but I managed to fry my LinuxCNC PC's in the office, so I'm trying to load LinuxCNC to a PIII machine now. It'll take a while.
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[21:05:36] <cpresser> Kirk_Wallace: you might consider doing this in pyhton. since its a userspace comp anyway
[21:05:44] <cpresser> thats way more easy to debug :)
[21:09:25] <Kirk_Wallace> I don't know anything about Python, plus the comp works fine as a realtime comp.
[21:12:13] <ries> KimK: ? happen to be here?
[21:20:44] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: IN A HEARTBEAT...
http://vimeo.com/31075220
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[21:39:14] <ftkalcevic> Anyone know how I get to the archives of these discussions? The link on www.linuxcnc.org is broken - still points to emc. Changing emc to linuxcnc or LinuxCNC didn't work
[21:41:24] <pfred1> ftkalcevic
http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23emc/2011-05-19.html
[21:42:57] <ftkalcevic> Thanks
[21:44:12] <ftkalcevic> Sweet. And update to date too. I can see my Thanks in the archive too!
[21:45:01] <pfred1> you're welcome /me just googled his name and emc :)
[21:46:06] <pfred1> there seems to be another IRC log at
http://emclog.archivist.info/2011-12-14.txt
[21:47:22] <archivist> there is another too
[21:47:35] <pfred1> archivist I don't doubt it
[21:48:05] <archivist> logger[mah], is collecting for that
[21:48:05] <logger[mah]> archivist: Log stored at
http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2012-02-17.html
[21:48:48] <pfred1> half of the users in this chan seem to be loggers
[21:49:21] * pfred1 usually just joins for moral support ...
[21:49:32] <pfred1> go LinuxCNC!
[21:51:35] <WalterN> heh
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[22:57:50] <andypugh> pcw_home: Did you get that patch?
[23:07:05] <Thetawaves> what would it take to get emc2 running on an arm system?
[23:07:26] <andypugh> What's emc2? :-)
[23:08:43] <Thetawaves> huh
[23:08:53] <andypugh> The problem is the port of RTAI to ARM, which seems to be happening very slowly, if at all.
[23:09:04] <Thetawaves> !
[23:09:45] <andypugh> (The project isn't called EMC2 any more, lawyers got involved)
[23:09:52] <Thetawaves> somehow that doesn't sound right because there is lots of rt linux on arm
[23:10:02] <pfred1> andypugh where have you been?
[23:10:15] <andypugh> pfred1: Finland and Germany
[23:10:24] <pfred1> andypugh I thought you must have been away
[23:10:54] <pfred1> I hear it has been cold in Europe this year
[23:11:08] <andypugh> It was -37 in Finland.
[23:11:20] <pfred1> yeah you guys must have gotten our winter
[23:11:29] <pfred1> it was 67F here today
[23:12:19] <andypugh> It's warmed up a lot in the UK. 11pm and 48F outside according to my weather station.
[23:12:21] * pfred1 went to the beach
[23:13:13] <pfred1> the climate change people are going to have a field day with the data they're getting this year
[23:13:24] <pfred1> but I'm not complaining!
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[23:14:23] <pfred1> 48F in the middle of the night it must be cloudy
[23:14:45] <andypugh> Well, not really, as their models suggest a steady rise in the order of 0.03 degrees per year, so 10 degree shifts rather confuse matters.
[23:15:00] <pfred1> yeah it is all just weather it changes
[23:15:22] <pfred1> today they think they can make some sense out of it all but apparently not
[23:16:04] <andypugh> There is a big difference between weather and climate. Like the difference between statistics and poker.
[23:16:42] <pfred1> I can see that you might be winning all night then lose the big hand at the end and walk away broke
[23:17:49] <pfred1> andypugh I got my Z axis all done
[23:18:16] <andypugh> I spent tonight replacing some tiny optos on a tiny PCB.
[23:18:26] <pfred1> andypugh I tried to take some pictures of it but the batteries in my camera went flat on me
[23:18:51] <pfred1> surface mount?
[23:18:53] <andypugh> I think that it is working now, and that the problem is now with the target, not the sensor.
[23:19:46] <andypugh> pfred1: Yes, surface mount, 6 pads, 5mm x 4mm
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/rotary-encoders/7160604P/
[23:20:17] <pfred1> I wish there was an enlarge link on PCBs
[23:20:33] * pfred1 thinks surface mount ruins hobby electronics
[23:20:51] <Tom_itx> no way
[23:21:20] <andypugh> Those devices are not too easy to solder with an iron, which is all I have.
[23:21:38] <andypugh> (And even harder to desolder)
[23:21:40] <pfred1> there is tricks to it like gluing the parts down ahead of time
[23:21:51] <Tom_itx> andypugh, use a clothes iron
[23:21:59] <Tom_itx> and tweezers
[23:22:11] <andypugh> I have one on each side of the PCB, back-to-back...
[23:22:17] <pfred1> if you're a real pro you use a tool we called a twizzle stick
[23:22:20] <Tom_itx> scratch that idea
[23:22:45] <pfred1> which is basically a stick of this gray wood
[23:23:20] <pfred1> twizzle sticks are pointy on one side and chiseled on the other
[23:23:26] <Tom_itx> i made a pick n place by reversing a fishtank pump and hypo needle
[23:23:39] <Tom_itx> to use with my toaster oven
[23:24:31] <andypugh> I like surface mount, and I am purely a hobbyist. It saves all that tedious hole-drilling, and resistors/caps fit nicely between stripboard strips too.
[23:24:53] <Tom_itx> agreed
[23:25:38] <jdhnc> I have to get out the magnifier for smt
[23:25:47] <Tom_itx> andypugh, you could get a hot air gun from the local hardware store for removing parts
[23:26:02] <pfred1> jdhnc at my age i have to get the magnifyer out for a 1/4 watt resistor anymore
[23:26:09] <Tom_itx> heh
[23:26:23] <jdhnc> I have to take my contacts out for either
[23:26:25] <pfred1> that started happening to me about 5 or so years ago now
[23:26:33] <Tom_itx> i don't attempt much smt without my binocular scope
[23:26:34] <jdhnc> you 45?
[23:26:38] <pfred1> I used to have microscope eyes
[23:26:41] <pfred1> 47
[23:26:47] <pfred1> not anymore
[23:26:50] <jdhnc> cool, you got 2 extgra years
[23:27:00] <andypugh> I was cursing my magnifier earlier, it's like an Anglepoise lamp thing, but without the quality, so it either raises itself or drops, rather than staying put. I was also cursing how untidy my work area is. But I can't really blame anybody else for that.
[23:27:13] <pfred1> the older i get the more i get into optics
[23:27:34] <pfred1> I like to say with them I see better than I ever did makes me feel a little better about it
[23:27:45] <Tom_itx> yeah it's annoying when i bump my magnifier ring lamp
[23:28:12] <pfred1> some folks lose all depth perception looking through magnifiers
[23:28:12] <jdhnc> does your ring lamp magnifier fog up?
[23:28:21] <Tom_itx> sometimes
[23:28:31] <Tom_itx> and the solder smoke makes it hazy
[23:28:36] <andypugh> I used to read the maker's name on the bottom of the eye-test charts. Now I can barely get half way down.
[23:28:37] <Tom_itx> it gets cleaned frequently
[23:28:50] <pfred1> andypugh we ain't like fine wine
[23:29:00] <jdhnc> better old than dead.
[23:29:10] <Thetawaves> andypugh,
https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2010-September/023734.html
[23:29:18] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/scope/scope1.jpg
[23:29:20] <pfred1> I was over a buddy's house and I couldn't read the fine print on a bottle of beer and he was like you can't read that?
[23:29:25] <Tom_itx> there's both the ring light and the scope
[23:29:48] <jdhnc> wow, that's way too neat
[23:30:00] <jdhnc> how do you find anything?
[23:30:30] <pfred1> that is the other thing I'm appreciating more as i get older is more light
[23:31:18] <andypugh> Thetawaves: Isn't that someone finding that it won't compile?
[23:31:20] <pfred1> I wish my camera batteries weren't dead I'd take a picture of what a twizzle stick is because i can't find one on the net
[23:31:44] <pfred1> let me go get my other camera
[23:31:50] <andypugh> Thetawaves: Jon Elson sent a Beagle Board to someone (possibly Torsten) to hopefully accelerate the development, but hasn't heard anything.
[23:31:51] <Tom_itx> i think i've done that
[23:36:50] <jdhnc> I've got that flux pen!
[23:37:27] <pfred1> I don't know what these are really called we always just called them twizzle sticks
http://i.imgur.com/2JW3d.jpg
[23:37:41] <jdhnc> spudger
[23:37:42] <pfred1> but I got turned onto them when I used to assemble PCBs commercially
[23:38:01] <pfred1> they help out a lot soldering
[23:38:24] <pfred1> like when you want to put your finger down to hold something but know you'll burn the tip of it off it is what you use
[23:39:13] <pfred1> and that scenario comes up a lot soldering
[23:40:16] <pfred1> a twizzle stick!
[23:42:08] <pfred1> I got that one in a box that had a weller WTCPN soldering station in it and a bunch of other junk
[23:42:31] <pfred1> but it is exactly like the ones we used at the place where I worked
[23:42:36] <andypugh> pfred1: I have extra-long fingernails for this purpose.
[23:43:07] <JT-Shop> I just have burned fingers :/
[23:43:07] <pfred1> andypugh well these sticks are a god send for doing some goof soldering jobs like making up connectors to hold down wires til they freeze
[23:43:34] <pfred1> and we'd use them to hold SMT parts in place too
[23:43:37] <andypugh> Does this work for anyone? It looks like Picasa is having problems:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Gibbs#5710252780749046962
[23:44:01] <pfred1> works here
[23:44:10] <pfred1> control cabinet of some sort
[23:44:16] <JT-Shop> and aluminum extrusion full of wire
[23:44:17] <JT-Shop> s
[23:44:27] <andypugh> How odd.
[23:44:28] <JT-Shop> some ssrs
[23:44:35] <andypugh> No SSRs.
[23:44:43] <jdhnc> those are buttons
[23:44:51] <JT-Shop> what is in the bottom left corner?
[23:44:55] <pfred1> A7B?
[23:45:00] <pfred1> A&B even
[23:45:53] <andypugh> It's my control cabinet. Touchscreen with MiniITX motherboard on the back, PSUs, Arduino, 5i23, 7i64, 7i39...
[23:46:16] <pfred1> what are you controlling with all of that gear?
[23:46:26] <pfred1> your little mill lathe combo?
[23:46:27] <JT-Shop> bridge rectifiers?
[23:46:50] <pfred1> it looks like you have a network switch in there
[23:47:03] <andypugh> This is for my milling machine. It's going to be a servo machine with 3x 8i20
[23:47:07] <JT-Shop> much too neat on the insides with wires all laced up an all
[23:47:08] <pfred1> or is that a USB hub?
[23:47:54] <andypugh> There are 4 USB ports on the front panel
[23:47:59] <pfred1> andypugh is it an atom MiniITX motherboard?
[23:48:17] <jdhnc> what's the arduino for?
[23:48:17] <andypugh> Yes, D510MO
[23:48:28] <andypugh> The arduino is being a resolver converter.
[23:48:29] <pfred1> yeah I've been looking at those lately
[23:48:38] <jdhnc> it's fast enough?
[23:48:47] <andypugh> Yes, just about.
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[23:49:11] <andypugh> It generates the excitation, so knows when to sample.
[23:51:39] <pfred1> boy this is the deluxe mobo isn't it has 2 DIMM sockets
[23:51:52] <pfred1> a lot I've looked at only have one
[23:52:57] <pfred1> andypugh what are you using for data storage with it?
[23:53:17] <pfred1> like does it have a real HDD or an SSD or a smart card or what?
[23:53:44] <andypugh> If you look very carefully, you can see it. There is an 8GB DOM plugged into one of the SATA ports.
[23:53:53] <pfred1> DOM?
[23:54:01] <andypugh> Disk-on-module
[23:54:05] <pfred1> like a USB thumb drive?
[23:54:24] <pfred1> pen drive whatever they're calling them anymore
[23:54:33] <andypugh> Yes, rather like a thumb drive but SATA
[23:54:41] <pfred1> ah ha
[23:54:54] <pfred1> yeah for just LinuxCNC don't need a big storage
[23:55:12] <pfred1> I think my one box uses 4.5 GB and it is like full development system all the source code etc
[23:55:19] <andypugh> I develop EMC2 on that machine. I didn't mean to, but I do.
[23:55:28] <pfred1> doesn't take much does it?
[23:55:51] <andypugh> No, and despite several compiles a night, the SSD is still fine.
[23:55:52] <pfred1> so I was thinking why buy an HDD
[23:56:19] <pfred1> 16 GB would be more than enough you're doing it with 8
[23:56:51] <pfred1> right now HDDs are crazy
[23:57:13] <pfred1> they're going to have to put them factories in Thailand up on stilts or something
[23:57:15] <JT-Shop> crazy = ?
[23:57:22] <pfred1> expensive
[23:57:33] <pfred1> all teh factories that make them went underwater
[23:57:40] <JT-Shop> ouch
[23:57:47] <JT-Shop> glad I don't need one
[23:57:57] <pfred1> yeah the king is like corrupt there or somethng and made them all get built in flood plains
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[23:58:29] <pfred1> which didn't seem like such a bad idea until the rainy season started
[23:58:31] <andypugh> As far as I know the King is actually quite a decent chap.
[23:59:03] <andypugh> Or maybe I am confusing him with Yule Brinner.
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[23:59:10] <pfred1> well from what i heard they're in a real spot now
[23:59:33] <pfred1> something like their lakes are 90% capacity and the rainy season is due to start up again
[23:59:54] <pfred1> so they imagine this year is going to be even worse
