#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-05-20

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[00:00:57] <frallzor> best way to avoid "stopping" during motion is G64 right?
[00:01:15] <frallzor> and with a P for some tolerance setting
[00:07:39] <JT-Shop> frallzor: use G64 P something yes
[00:08:30] <frallzor> is it possible to make it happen in the PP? =P
[00:08:37] <JT-Shop> frallzor: have you seen this? http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tutorial/index.html
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[00:09:06] <JT-Shop> yes, but not tonight I'm well done and brain dead atm
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[00:10:04] <frallzor> i=)
[00:10:18] <JT-Shop> 10 hrs riding, drinking, eating and poking fun wears me out
[00:10:46] <JT-Shop> but I did get a nice rinse off on the last leg that cooled me down nice
[00:12:12] <frallzor> biking?
[00:13:44] <JT-Shop> goldwing
[00:13:52] <frallzor> ahh scooter ;)
[00:14:18] <JT-Shop> no couch on wheels with a stereo
[00:14:27] <JT-Shop> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/HPIM1988-1.jpg
[00:15:34] <frallzor> so thats what a JT looks like
[00:15:49] <jymmm> frallzor: ugly, aint he?
[00:16:04] <frallzor> no comments!
[00:16:11] <jymmm> hahaha
[00:16:38] <frallzor> either that or "thats a puuurty one, umhummm"
[00:16:46] <jymmm> JT-Shop: No roll bars?
[00:16:50] <JT-Shop> LOL
[00:17:06] <JT-Shop> yea, look close... used them this afternoon
[00:17:17] <jymmm> JT-Shop: "engine bars" or whatever you call em
[00:17:49] <jymmm> JT-Shop: I see the two sets of pegs, but that's it
[00:18:09] <JT-Shop> look close
[00:18:29] <JT-Shop> they are there I used them today
[00:18:45] <jymmm> those tiny things near the front?
[00:19:09] <JT-Shop> yea and the tiny things in front of the saddle bags
[00:19:17] <pcw_home> jdhNC: well I do...
[00:19:34] <jymmm> wait, what do you mean "used them today"? you dumped the bike?
[00:20:19] <JT-Shop> layed it over in the parking lot at the bar... turned to tight trying to park... no biggy just let it fall and get off
[00:20:46] <jymmm> JT-Shop: Well, that sucks. Able to get it up solo?
[00:20:49] <JT-Shop> stand it back up and nothing gets even a scratch unless your friends see it then well
[00:20:53] <frallzor> fancy way of parking =)
[00:21:00] <jymmm> other than the color, i kinda like it http://www.goldwings-northwales.org.uk/history/gl1500e.jpg
[00:21:08] <JT-Shop> yea, just need to use proper lifting
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[00:22:38] <jymmm> JT-Shop: 2x4? lol
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[00:23:08] <jymmm> JT-Shop: leverage
[00:23:32] <JT-Shop> no, you just squat and grab it in the proper places and stand up...
[00:24:02] <jymmm> ah, it's not everyday I try to stand up a 1200 lb bike =)
[00:25:04] <jymmm> Ok, I got the heater figured out, now the pinch is the bitch of the day
[00:25:52] <JT-Shop> jymmm: it only weighs in at ~900 lbs
[00:26:06] <jymmm> JT-Shop: isn't that light for a goldwing?
[00:27:14] <JT-Shop> look it up
[00:27:22] <JT-Shop> I"m too tired
[00:27:31] <jymmm> no biggy
[00:27:49] <jymmm> just go enjoy a few brews to recover
[00:28:09] <JT-Shop> sipping on some vino @ room temperature
[00:28:15] <jymmm> ah
[00:28:24] <frallzor> is that code for moonshine?
[00:28:35] <JT-Shop> red wine
[00:28:54] <jymmm> hooch would be moonshine
[00:29:02] <JT-Shop> a slug of everclear would put me to sleep in 10 minutes
[00:29:23] <jymmm> Nitrocellulose Lacquer
[00:31:03] <JT-Shop> only thing I care for that is flamable is Remy Martin 1738 on a cold winter evening by the fire
[00:31:41] <jymmm> I pasted in wrong window
[00:32:13] <jymmm> JT-Shop: (I'm trying to get around ATF restrictions)
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[00:33:09] <JT-Shop> don't know that I would advertise that lol
[00:33:19] <jymmm> JT-Shop: You can BUY fuse all day long, but you can't SELL fuse without an ATF permit.
[00:33:33] <Tom_itx> where has danimal been lately?
[00:33:48] <jymmm> JT-Shop: So, I'm looking for (legal) alternatives.
[00:33:51] <JT-Shop> filming jackasses stealing his jack
[00:33:58] <JT-Shop> gotcha
[00:34:28] <jymmm> JT-Shop: Safety Fuse == Low Yield Explosive (in the eyes of the ATF)
[00:35:25] <jymmm> JT-Shop: Due to the black powder content. So If can come up with something that doens't use an oxidizer, I may be able to get aroudn the legaleze
[00:35:35] <JT-Shop> danimal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3UfLgDXdRk&list=UUz5Hfl-_SxC8GLNHEDJJT3w&index=1&feature=plcp
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[00:37:21] <frallzor> shoot them?
[00:37:35] <frallzor> trespassing is trespassing over there? =P
[00:38:07] <JT-Shop> he is in Califorina and they don't want to hurt the theifs feelings you know
[00:38:45] <frallzor> ahh that explains alot
[00:38:54] <frallzor> call the governator then!
[00:39:19] <pfred1> no moonbeam runs the state now
[00:39:41] <frallzor> better, then he is the terminator again
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[00:40:25] <pfred1> yeah arnie would have to make about 28 sequals to get cali out of the financial hole it is on today
[00:40:28] <jdhNC> does anyone ever use the enable/disable pins on stepper drivers?
[00:40:40] * JT-Shop wanders back to the lazyboy to finalize the relaxation phase
[00:40:59] <frallzor> drink more until you wobble
[00:41:04] <frallzor> then you are relaxed
[00:41:04] <JT-Shop> goodnight guys
[00:41:05] <pfred1> jdhNC I want to implement hold current reduction someday
[00:41:19] <JT-Shop> I don't like being a wobble
[00:41:25] <Tom_itx> where's gracie?
[00:41:28] <jdhNC> pfred1: on these drivers, it just disables.
[00:41:34] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[00:41:40] <Tom_itx> :D
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[00:41:55] <pfred1> jdhNC does it reset the state too?
[00:42:12] <pfred1> lots of disables are resets
[00:42:33] <pfred1> which means you end up at the beginning of your step sequence
[00:42:51] <jdhNC> dunno. What does that do for you?
[00:42:59] <pfred1> I'm not sure
[00:43:04] <pfred1> if it'd actually matter
[00:43:34] <pfred1> I think in a perfect world it shouldn't
[00:44:11] <pfred1> a lot of drivers when they microstep aren't in a perfect world though
[00:44:18] <jdhNC> that might involve changing energized coils
[00:44:29] <jdhNC> which wouldn't do much for positioning.
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[00:44:35] <pfred1> yeah on initilization I could imagine a bit of a jomp
[00:44:38] <pfred1> jump
[00:44:47] <pfred1> you know as coils grab on t othe rotor
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[00:45:51] <pfred1> something that you wouldn't get if you stayed in your sequence
[00:46:00] <jymmm> JT-Shop: Eeeesh, I never relized you can make blackpowder from the local hardware store for under $30
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[00:46:16] <jdhNC> any preferred method for connecting stepper leads to wires? solder/shrink-wrap? butt splices? connectors? stagger the splices?
[00:46:33] <pfred1> I'm involved wit ha thread now in the forum where someone has a "motor driver" that really isn't
[00:46:41] <jdhNC> you can buy black powder for less than $30
[00:46:51] <jymmm> jdhNC: any way that won't disconnect under vibration
[00:47:12] <pfred1> I don't like butt splices
[00:47:14] <jdhNC> jymm: none of my wires come off, I was really thinking of aesthetics
[00:47:25] <pfred1> butts are ugly on wires
[00:47:27] <jdhNC> pfred1: I don't either,but I find them humorous
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[00:47:45] <jdhNC> when you see one, you have to think... they just didn't have time to do it right.
[00:47:48] <pfred1> me I'd go with solder shrink wrap it ain't that much work
[00:48:06] <pfred1> or skill lots can't solder
[00:48:23] <pfred1> the ability escapes them
[00:48:34] <jdhNC> I have 10lbs of smokeless powder laying around. No black powder though.
[00:48:43] <jymmm> pfred1: LOL, I couldn't solder a copper wire to itself last night using a blowrtouch and flux
[00:48:47] <pfred1> gun cotton?
[00:48:55] <jymmm> pfred1: Noooooooooooo
[00:48:59] <pfred1> open flame is a little tricky
[00:49:15] <pfred1> trick is heat away from where you're soldering let the heat conduct
[00:49:35] <jymmm> pfred1: I did, but for some strange reaosn the sodler just beaded off
[00:49:49] <tjb1> Anyone happen to know of the plug from tyco that will plug into the CPC on hypertherm plasmas?
[00:49:52] <pfred1> hen you didn't have the joint cleaned enough or enough flux
[00:49:56] <jdhNC> contamination
[00:50:07] <jymmm> pfred1: It was filthy as could be =)
[00:50:21] <pfred1> plumbers taught me the nasty rag wipe trick too it helps
[00:50:25] <jymmm> probably oxidized too
[00:50:30] <pfred1> yeah copper has to be bright
[00:50:46] <jymmm> pfred1: I was just being lazy, didn't matter
[00:50:55] <pfred1> gotta get in there with plumbers cloth or something brighten it all up shiny
[00:50:56] <jymmm> just tossed it in the trash
[00:51:10] <pfred1> that is the golden rule of soldering clean
[00:51:20] <jymmm> I was just seeing if I could smash copper wire into itself
[00:51:49] <pfred1> copper has a high melting po9int but you can melt it in solution
[00:52:10] <pfred1> then its melting point lowers
[00:52:10] <jymmm> Yeah, I wasn't trying to melt fuse it, but hammer fuse it together
[00:52:25] <jymmm> like two pieces of clay
[00:52:39] <pfred1> hammer welding means the metal is at its curie point or something
[00:52:43] <jdhNC> I run across wiring in boats that is not solderable all the time. creeping black crud
[00:52:44] <pfred1> you can't do it cold
[00:53:00] <pfred1> jdhNC steel wool
[00:53:02] <jymmm> pfred1: ah, I didn't know that =)
[00:53:10] <jdhNC> won't help
[00:53:30] <pfred1> jdhNC I've soldered some pretty cruddy wires yo ujust gota scrub them
[00:53:37] <pfred1> get in there and really clean clean clean
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[00:53:46] <jymmm> I was just plating with copper wire in an artistic fashion is all
[00:53:51] <jymmm> playing
[00:53:54] <pfred1> what is bad is when that crud goes all the way down the wire
[00:54:04] <pfred1> and you get no contact between the strands
[00:54:10] <pfred1> then the whole wire is trash
[00:54:34] <jymmm> pfred1: I was just playing artistic coppersmith =)
[00:54:37] <pfred1> happenss to the ground wires of old multimeters people leave the batteries in
[00:54:56] <pfred1> then the whole meter doesn't work because that wire becomes too resistive
[00:55:18] <pfred1> change the wire meter works
[00:55:27] <jymmm> pfred1: I'm too much of a wuss to make gun cotton =)
[00:55:43] <pfred1> heh it doesn't look too bad
[00:55:50] <pfred1> making nitro is pretty bad though
[00:55:59] <pfred1> get a run away and boom!
[00:56:07] <jymmm> pfred1: I dont like playing with acids is the issue.
[00:56:32] * pfred1 liked acid :)
[00:56:40] <jymmm> pfred1: Even giving someone a jumpstart and my skind burns. I always keep baking soda around.
[00:56:48] <jymmm> skin
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[00:57:16] <pfred1> I've worked with guys that are allergic to concrete
[00:57:22] <pfred1> it is just too caustic for them
[00:57:28] <jymmm> ah, yeah.
[00:57:38] <pfred1> yeah i can practically eat the stuff don't bother me
[00:58:02] <pfred1> they get all red and puffy though
[00:58:04] <jymmm> I deal with jumpstarts, but have to keep baking soda on hand. Even have some in the first aidkit
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[00:58:47] <pfred1> yeah battery acid never bothered me
[00:58:57] <jymmm> I do have a bottle of sulfuric acid, but only use it once a year or so to clear the drain pipes.
[00:59:17] <jymmm> maybe every two years. Lasts me about 5+ years
[00:59:29] <jymmm> stupid tree roots!
[00:59:41] <pfred1> one nasty thing that did bother me once was we cleaned the floor of a buddy of mine's garage with muratic acid
[00:59:55] <pfred1> and he is like a nut he had like loads of the stuff down all at once
[01:00:03] <pfred1> stuff was burning my lungs breathing it
[01:00:05] <jymmm> ouch
[01:00:19] <pfred1> yeah it was pretty bad yo ushould see what happened to the steel brushes we used
[01:00:29] <pfred1> they went away!
[01:00:33] <jymmm> what brushes? lol
[01:00:49] <pfred1> pretty much they were brand new when we started
[01:01:10] <jymmm> pfred1: FWIW, better than N95 and you can get refills http://www.harborfreight.com/p95-maintenance-free-dual-cartridge-respirator-large-67727-html.html
[01:01:18] <Tom_itx> how do you neutralize it before painting?
[01:01:29] <jymmm> baking soda
[01:01:32] <pfred1> we just flooded it with water
[01:01:36] <Tom_itx> then a water wash?
[01:01:43] <pfred1> all we did was water
[01:01:59] <jymmm> pfred1: well, that's not nuteralizing =)
[01:02:06] <pfred1> he was epoxying his floor just wanted to etch it
[01:02:07] <jymmm> diluting, sure =)
[01:02:16] <pfred1> it came out good
[01:02:22] <Tom_itx> pfred1 yeah i figured
[01:02:32] <pfred1> super old garage floor was totally oil spoiled when we started
[01:02:50] <pfred1> that muratic acid did a number on it and everything else me included
[01:03:16] <pfred1> years later he was like you know I should have just tried to do a little section at a time ...
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[01:03:27] <pfred1> I was like yeah Bern
[01:04:13] <pfred1> we'd hold our breath scrub like maniacs then run out to breathe
[01:07:25] <pfred1> I worked at a place that hard chrome plated printing press dies for a little while there was a lot of acid involved doing that
[01:07:50] <pfred1> we kept lids on the vats kept the fumes down
[01:08:16] <pfred1> acid is nothing compared to chrome flakes
[01:08:29] <pfred1> the EPA got wise to us
[01:08:54] <pfred1> they weren't concerned about the acid at all
[01:14:33] <jdhNC> I'm wishing I had been a little less cheap on the stepper drivers and maybe just use p-port instead of mesa (due to space on the panel)
[01:15:24] <pfred1> jdhNC what kind of drives are you running?
[01:15:37] <jymmm> pfred1: And just using TSP works wonders that ppl dont relaize sometimes
[01:15:47] <pfred1> oh check this out Toshiba came out with a new driver
[01:15:57] <jdhNC> keling KL6050
[01:16:01] <pfred1> 4.5 amps 50 volts
[01:16:16] <pfred1> kelings don't look too bad
[01:16:19] <jymmm> pfred1: mid-band compensation?
[01:16:39] <jdhNC> should have spent a little more for the 5056, they are a lot narrower and are supposed to perform better.
[01:16:46] <pfred1> jymmm it is just a driver sequencer
[01:16:51] <jymmm> ah
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[01:17:34] <pfred1> it is the upgrade from the 6560
[01:17:47] <pfred1> they reengineered it
[01:18:02] <pfred1> things looks pretty hot to me everyne that has used it has liked it
[01:19:03] <pfred1> it is so new I can't find much info out about it yet and it is hard to get now too Toshiba Thb6064ah
[01:19:38] <pfred1> but I'll probably get them someday and make drivers with them
[01:20:19] <pfred1> freaking hot rods!
[01:21:34] <pfred1> jdhNC the more i mess with steppers the more convinced the performance happens with the lead screws
[01:22:22] <pfred1> you look at machines that perform really well and they have great linear motion screws or belt drives or something
[01:23:02] <pfred1> you can really lose whatever you have in your leads
[01:24:27] <pfred1> with a 10 TPI lead I can only go 1.3 IPM at around 700 RPM
[01:25:17] <pfred1> well IPS
[01:25:55] <pfred1> point being it is really turning around but not moving too far
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[01:47:21] <Aero-Tec> this is a ward one for sure
[01:47:23] <Aero-Tec> on my lathe, I move the Z towards the chuck, the X work great, I move
[01:47:24] <Aero-Tec> the Z towards the tail stock, just a bump will do, and the X will only
[01:47:26] <Aero-Tec> go smoothly in one direction, and act up big time in the other dir, now
[01:47:28] <Aero-Tec> here is the weird part, move Z toward chuck, no problem with other Z
[01:47:29] <Aero-Tec> moves towards the chuck, move Z towards tail stock and it move fine the
[01:47:31] <Aero-Tec> first move, but other move toward the tail stock growl.
[01:47:32] <Aero-Tec> when growling it looses steps, and this is a servo system, here is some
[01:47:34] <Aero-Tec> more info, it can move at different speeds when growling, or it will
[01:47:36] <Aero-Tec> growl when moving and then just stop, dro is still moving, but motor is not.
[01:47:37] <Aero-Tec> I have scoped the dir pins they are fine, scoped the step pins, they are
[01:47:39] <Aero-Tec> fine. so computer is fine. so what on earth is going on????
[01:47:41] <Aero-Tec> BTW I swapped out the computer just in case. still not working
[01:47:43] <Aero-Tec> open to suggestions if you have them
[01:47:53] <ReadError> uhmm
[01:47:57] <ReadError> wtf
[01:48:16] <pfred1> Aero-Tec my advise to you is to drink heavily
[01:48:28] <Aero-Tec> lol
[01:48:44] <Aero-Tec> what makes you think I have not started already?
[01:48:46] <Aero-Tec> lol
[01:48:58] <pfred1> remember whe nteh Germans bombed Pearl harbor?
[01:49:38] <Tom_itx> things properly grounded?
[01:49:40] <Aero-Tec> I wish I could just nuke the thing
[01:49:46] <Tom_itx> motor noise?
[01:49:56] <Aero-Tec> it was working fine for a long time
[01:50:03] <Tom_itx> broken wire
[01:50:04] <pfred1> Aero-Tec look if it was that easy everyone would be doing it
[01:50:04] <Aero-Tec> no changes made
[01:50:30] <Aero-Tec> I used it one day, shut it down for a few days
[01:50:36] <Tom_itx> something is different
[01:50:43] <Aero-Tec> went to use it and this
[01:50:55] <pfred1> Tom_itx it could be sun spots
[01:51:21] <Aero-Tec> been at this for a few days
[01:51:26] <Tom_itx> naw, wasn't there something going on with the moon tonight?
[01:51:44] <pfred1> that was yesterday some johnny cash song
[01:51:45] <Aero-Tec> at first I thought it was just the x acting up
[01:52:04] <Aero-Tec> today I bumped the z the the x worked great
[01:52:24] <pfred1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It7107ELQvY
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[01:53:11] <Aero-Tec> I played around with it some more and found out the z would growl as well
[01:53:14] <pfred1> the moral of the story is be careful with the hot sauce on your tacos!
[01:53:18] * FinboySlick cheers for the man in black.
[01:53:49] <pfred1> he was quite the showman
[01:54:03] <Aero-Tec> would bad grounds only effect one direction of movement?
[01:54:11] <pfred1> sure
[01:54:28] <pfred1> not even bad ground but a non star connection could cause reflections
[01:54:33] <FinboySlick> I used to dislike country music until I learnt more about him.
[01:54:36] <pfred1> ground looping
[01:55:00] <pfred1> FinboySlick there's two kinds of country the good stuff and the crappy kind
[01:55:34] <pfred1> you have to find real rednecks for the good stuff
[01:55:55] <FinboySlick> I prefer the blues-rooted stuff.
[01:55:58] <Aero-Tec> but how could a quick bump on z make x work in both dir and yet another quick z bump in the other dir make it not work?
[01:56:07] <FinboySlick> So Cash works very well for me.
[01:56:24] <FinboySlick> I like The White Stripes for similar reasons.
[01:57:03] <Aero-Tec> BTW it matters not where the z is on the lathe
[01:57:32] <FinboySlick> Aero-Tec: It growls but moves or it doesn't move at all?
[01:57:32] <pfred1> it does kind of sound like signal corruption
[01:57:37] <Aero-Tec> also I tried moving wires to get it to do the same with out moving
[01:58:28] <Aero-Tec> it some times will move, if it moves it could be faster or slower
[01:58:34] <pfred1> I had a car once that had an electrical problem it'd only happen whe nI was driving at night so I let it go for a long time
[01:58:37] <Aero-Tec> or it could move and stop
[01:58:59] <pfred1> once night it really screwed me though so I was like I'm going to find it if i have t otear every wire out
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[01:59:20] <FinboySlick> pfred1: Thermal expansion and a loose connector?
[01:59:21] <pfred1> turned out to be a loose alternator terminal
[01:59:24] <Aero-Tec> I scoped it
[01:59:38] <Aero-Tec> the dir and steps are fine
[01:59:38] <pfred1> the nut that helt the hot wire to the stud on the alternator was almost off
[01:59:56] <pfred1> so it kind of floated around when I ran the lights it just couldn't keep up wit hthe charge
[02:00:04] <Aero-Tec> so why only at night?
[02:00:15] <FinboySlick> Aero-Tec: The lights.
[02:00:22] <pfred1> I guess it was flowing enough amps without the headlights going
[02:00:34] <Aero-Tec> ok
[02:00:42] <pfred1> just contacting on the edge of the ring like it was
[02:01:19] <pfred1> yeah it was spooky I'd have to drive in the dark without my headlights on or it didn't have enough volts to fire the ignition
[02:01:35] <Aero-Tec> the lathe worked for years
[02:01:49] <Aero-Tec> it was fine when I last used it
[02:01:50] <pfred1> so did the car
[02:02:32] <pfred1> thing is some stuff you just have to check everything to find one thing
[02:02:50] <pfred1> stuff that even seems OK
[02:05:24] <Aero-Tec> I hate it when things do not work
[02:05:40] <pfred1> I love it when i make stuff work again
[02:05:54] <Aero-Tec> should be a law against things like this.........LOL
[02:06:20] <pfred1> couple weeks ago some jerk tried to stick me with a "burnt out" bench grinder the joke was on him though when I hit the reset button it and it ran again
[02:06:23] <Aero-Tec> I like to make things
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[02:07:09] <Aero-Tec> will have to go back and start testing some more
[02:07:24] <pfred1> see he even wrote works on the price tag http://i.imgur.com/ieMSq.jpg
[02:07:36] <pfred1> but when I plugged it in sure enough it didn't
[02:07:54] <Aero-Tec> hello skunk
[02:08:30] <pfred1> it works now http://i.imgur.com/nj6Lj.jpg
[02:08:47] <pfred1> looks better too I think
[02:09:36] <Aero-Tec> peerrrdy
[02:09:46] <pfred1> not bad for $5
[02:09:54] <Aero-Tec> you got it looking real good
[02:10:08] <Aero-Tec> 1/2 HP?
[02:10:12] <pfred1> yeah
[02:10:29] <FinboySlick> The sacred economic duty of producing wealth by adding value to an object.
[02:10:30] <pfred1> i have a buffing mop on it I hate having to mount one just to use it
[02:10:39] <FinboySlick> Praise the pfred1.
[02:11:04] <Aero-Tec> back to fixing the lathe
[02:11:19] <pfred1> you probably just have one wonky wire
[02:11:28] <Aero-Tec> just wait the gov will find a way to tax that
[02:11:50] <Aero-Tec> took a $5 item and made it worth $50
[02:12:03] <FinboySlick> That's called VAT, I think.
[02:12:05] <pfred1> heh the gov they just waste tax money I heard about these $17.000 oil drip pans in helicopters the other day
[02:12:09] <FinboySlick> They have it all over europe ;)
[02:12:16] <Aero-Tec> pay up, you just made a buck and the man wants his share
[02:12:21] <pfred1> I really want to see what a $17,000 dollar drip pan looks like
[02:13:05] <FinboySlick> pfred1: It's like an ordinary drip pan, but it's sold by a military contractor.
[02:13:28] <pfred1> FinboySlick on that dontates religiously to a particular congressman
[02:13:34] <pfred1> one even
[02:13:42] <Aero-Tec> you forgot the sub standard part
[02:14:04] <FinboySlick> I'm just encouraged that people are getting more and more aware of the excesses.
[02:14:06] <Aero-Tec> a ordinary one would be a up grade
[02:14:14] <pfred1> the funniest part was this other manufacturer who makes $2,500 drip pans getting all irate over it too
[02:14:23] <FinboySlick> Because in the end, it all comes down to the people keeping the govt in check.
[02:14:30] <Aero-Tec> you pay extra for the sub standard ones
[02:14:53] <pfred1> as if any drip pan could even be worth $2,500
[02:15:10] <pfred1> he was like that is money I could be stealing!
[02:16:53] <pfred1> FinboySlick what it really comes down to is it is your moral obiligaiton to cheat on your taxes
[02:17:07] <pfred1> don't give it to them to steal in the first place!
[02:17:48] <FinboySlick> Well, I certainly wouldn't condemn civil disobedience, but I think it falls short of solving the problem.
[02:18:12] <pfred1> as long as it isn't my money it ain't my problem :)
[02:18:38] <FinboySlick> "The government has no control over honest men, so it must focus on making as many of them criminal as possible."
[02:19:03] <FinboySlick> As such, that's playing their game.
[02:19:32] <pfred1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zErP5QoMA3w
[02:19:54] <FinboySlick> We're getting off topic however. But it's a slow night so I hope people didn't mind too much.
[02:20:28] <pfred1> decentralizing production is on topic for CNC
[02:20:45] <Aero-Tec> here is a joke on the subject
[02:20:50] <Aero-Tec> Enclosed and/or attached, you will find my 2011 tax return showing that I owe $3,407.00 in taxes.
[02:20:52] <Aero-Tec>
[02:20:53] <Aero-Tec> Please note the attached article from the Toronto Globe and Mail; dated 12 November, wherein you will see the Canadian Department of National Defense is paying $171.50 per hammer and Fisheries and Oceans Canada has paid $600.00 per toilet seat for its ice breakers.
[02:20:55] <Aero-Tec> As payment, I am enclosing four (4) toilet seats (valued @ $2,400) and six (6) hammers valued @ $1,029), which I secured at Canadian Tire, bringing my total remittance to $3,429.00.
[02:20:57] <Aero-Tec> Pl ease apply the overpayment of $22.00 to next year's tax bill or a roll of toilet paper.
[02:20:58] <Aero-Tec> It has been a pleasure to pay my tax bill this year, and I look forward to paying it again next year.
[02:21:56] <FinboySlick> Aero-Tec: That's delightful.
[02:22:02] <FinboySlick> I think I'll try next year.
[02:23:12] <pfred1> the USA should outsource defense to canada they get stuff cheaper than we do
[02:23:23] <Aero-Tec> lol
[02:23:32] <Aero-Tec> I live in Canada
[02:23:39] <Aero-Tec> west coast
[02:23:55] * FinboySlick does the secret Canadian handshake with Aero-Tec.
[02:24:00] <FinboySlick> I'm far east.
[02:24:01] <pfred1> we pay way more for hammers and toilet seats
[02:24:59] <Aero-Tec> make for even cheaper tax paying using this system
[02:25:14] <Aero-Tec> you get more bang for the buck
[02:25:38] <pfred1> they doubled the toll on the turnpike here
[02:25:46] <pfred1> just doubled it
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[02:30:03] <ReadError> i need a new drill press
[02:30:10] <ReadError> i think the one i have now oscillates too much
[02:30:20] <pfred1> repack the bearings
[02:30:23] <ReadError> its not super tight and accurate that im going for
[02:30:31] <ReadError> pfred1, it was a cheap 100$ one
[02:30:36] <ReadError> ide rather spend 3-400
[02:30:38] <pfred1> all the more reason
[02:30:39] <ReadError> get something nicer
[02:31:02] <archivist> is it a badly ground drill bit causing your problem
[02:31:03] <pfred1> link belts can help sometimes too
[02:31:06] <ReadError> im a young buck still building up a nice tool collection
[02:31:23] <pfred1> yeah twist drills are never very accurate to begin with that is why they make reamers
[02:31:26] <ReadError> i havnt been doing this for years like all of you ':)
[02:32:13] <pfred1> then after reamers you get into center grinding then honing
[02:32:33] <ReadError> my tooling is pretty limited
[02:32:42] <ReadError> i got a nice hand drill though!
[02:32:47] <ReadError> hitachi !
[02:32:53] <ReadError> pretty light and very strong
[02:32:56] <archivist> and what were you drilling, brass with a normal twist bit will be a fight
[02:32:57] <Aero-Tec> one thing nice about getting older, you have lots of the toy you dreamed about when your were younger
[02:33:00] <ReadError> 18v lipo
[02:33:01] <pfred1> I got a couple makitas one is pretty nice
[02:33:14] <pfred1> oh cordless?
[02:33:18] <ReadError> yea
[02:33:23] <ReadError> i got a corded one too
[02:33:31] <ReadError> but the cordless is my baby
[02:33:41] <pfred1> archivist I just drilled some brass and it sucked!
[02:33:51] <ReadError> whats a good brand
[02:33:56] <ReadError> grizzly? jet? delta
[02:34:23] <Aero-Tec> if I find the problem I will post it here
[02:34:29] <pfred1> archivist http://www.instructables.com/id/Brass-Hammer-Build/
[02:34:38] <archivist> pfred1, take the rake off the cutting edge, store in the brass drills box :)
[02:34:41] <Aero-Tec> or should I say when I find the problem
[02:35:02] <pfred1> archivist I don't work with brass too much
[02:35:03] <Aero-Tec> got to have a positive outlook here
[02:35:14] <pfred1> mostly mild steel
[02:35:55] <ReadError> what makes a hammer 'deadblow' ?
[02:36:02] <pfred1> lead shot
[02:36:12] <ReadError> i want a delrin hammer
[02:36:17] <pfred1> they're usually filled with that maybe some oil too
[02:36:27] <ReadError> so they dont rebound ?
[02:36:32] <pfred1> not much
[02:37:16] <pfred1> I use mine mostly for putting paint can lids back on they kick ass doing that
[02:37:32] <ReadError> ah yea
[02:38:17] <pfred1> I'm just sayin that is the best use I ever found for a dead blow hammer
[02:38:23] <archivist> I look at the hammer caddy and the qty of hammers....does everything look like a nail to you?
[02:38:38] <pfred1> archivist that's just the overflow
[02:39:01] <pfred1> I keep the hammer I actually use in holders here and there where i use them
[02:39:10] <pfred1> hammers
[02:39:59] <pfred1> I buy used tools and when I see something I don't have I buy it I see a lot of strange stuff
[02:40:05] <ReadError> whats the best way to polish aluminum ?
[02:40:19] <ReadError> also, how much is an inexpensive anodizing setup?
[02:40:38] <pfred1> but one thing i never run across is brass hammers
[02:40:44] <archivist> depends if it being flat at the end of polishing is important
[02:40:49] <pfred1> they just don't come up on the used market
[02:43:03] <pfred1> I don't like working with aluminum because I don't like welding aluminum
[02:43:06] <archivist> fast way but wont be flat, buffing machine, slow way, start with a course grit paper and work up to fine
[02:43:42] <pfred1> I don't weld much when I metal work but I always like to have the option
[02:44:51] <pfred1> and I've had some bad luck at times welding aluminum so much I avoid it anymore
[02:45:45] <pfred1> stuff sure is easy to cast though go figure
[02:46:26] <pfred1> aluminum is really pretty when it is molten
[02:50:50] <ReadError> so a brass hammer wont mar the metal?
[02:51:11] <pfred1> I wouldn't say it wouldn't mar it at all but it should mar less
[02:51:49] <pfred1> next I want to make a lead hammer
[02:52:25] <pfred1> I got a bunch of lead I'm thinking of pouring some into a piece of copper pipe with some hanging out the end
[02:52:54] <pfred1> I thought of that after I made the brass hammer
[02:55:36] <ReadError> you will have to change your nick to "MadHatter"
[02:55:50] <pfred1> no that is mercury poisioning
[02:56:51] <pfred1> lead just makes kids stupid
[02:57:23] <pfred1> but I figure if they're eating lead they couldn't have been too bright to begin with
[02:57:35] <ReadError> ehh
[02:57:41] <ReadError> lead makes you go batshit insane too
[02:57:55] <FinboySlick> A lot of metals do that.
[02:58:03] <pfred1> well with hat makers it was working with mercury that did them in
[02:58:10] <FinboySlick> Aluminium isn't all that much better.
[02:58:22] <pfred1> aluminum makes old people stupid
[02:58:43] <FinboySlick> I think it makes me stupid too... I never get good results trying to machine it ;)
[02:59:18] <pfred1> machining aluminum is easy
[02:59:29] <pfred1> just run real fast with real sharp tools
[02:59:44] <FinboySlick> And good chip evacuation, I know.
[02:59:53] <FinboySlick> I still fail.
[02:59:54] <tjb1> Learn something everyday, did not know you could suck a vacuum through mdf and hold parts like that...
[03:00:00] <pfred1> yeah free machining
[03:00:19] <Tom_itx> tjb1 they probably drill pinholes in it too
[03:00:49] <pfred1> yeah it may only be MDF but medium is still pretty dense
[03:01:42] <FinboySlick> If one doesn't want to do the whole table though, are there some sort of suction-clamps?
[03:02:05] <tjb1> Thats pretty damn cool
[03:02:28] <pfred1> I loved the magnetic clamps on surface grinders
[03:02:34] <pfred1> things really held
[03:02:53] <tjb1> What happens when the power goes out using an electro magnet chuck?
[03:03:24] <pfred1> beats me it never happened
[03:03:40] <Tom_itx> FinboySlick, they generally use a gasket around the suction area
[03:03:41] <pfred1> I've seen magnetic clamps not hold too
[03:03:53] <pfred1> when you try to take too big a bite
[03:03:57] <tjb1> Ive always wondered that while using one
[03:04:05] <Tom_itx> FinboySlick, especially if flood coolant is used
[03:04:13] <tjb1> Not a fan of doing surface grinding manually though
[03:04:30] <pfred1> heh I called it bening the band master
[03:04:35] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: That's what I assumed, but wouldn't the compressibility of the magnet make leveling the part with the table difficult?
[03:04:39] <Tom_itx> tjb1, the workpiece flys across the room
[03:05:03] <tjb1> I thought so :)
[03:05:04] <Tom_itx> FinboySlick this for suction clamps
[03:05:07] <FinboySlick> Gah, compressibility of the *gasket*
[03:05:13] <Tom_itx> soft neoprene
[03:05:28] <tjb1> I can imagine one of the instructors e-stopping the shop and you hear about 5 booms.
[03:07:31] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: So neoprene compresses evenly?
[03:07:56] <tjb1> Oh how I wish I had enough to buy the 85 when I got the powermax 45… http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z429/tuffjarhed/2012-03-02_21-43-00_24.jpg
[03:08:29] <pfred1> they make foam in big buns then lathe it into sheets
[03:09:30] <tjb1> anyone have a powermax?
[03:09:35] <pfred1> also all foam starts out as closed cell they just etch closed cell with acid to make open cell
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[03:12:09] <Tom_itx> FinboySlick, you mill a slot for the gasket to fit in and let it stick out just enough to seal
[03:12:33] <Tom_itx> then you have metal to metal contact with your workpiece and fixture
[03:13:23] <FinboySlick> OK, so the negative pressure wouldn't cause the gasket to try and squeeze its way between the rest and the part?
[03:13:32] <FinboySlick> (and lift it somewhat)
[03:13:56] <Tom_itx> no
[03:14:02] <Tom_itx> not if it's done right
[03:14:33] <Tom_itx> at the same time the part is sucked down on the gasket holding it in place
[03:15:05] <Tom_itx> it has it's place but there are other better ways to hold parts
[03:15:18] <Tom_itx> we used it on long thin parts with large surface area
[03:15:44] <FinboySlick> I'm told even dual-sided tape can do quite well.
[03:15:47] <pfred1> I could see it being good there
[03:15:54] <Tom_itx> yes i use double sided tape
[03:16:00] <pfred1> heck krazy glue is great
[03:16:11] <pfred1> comes apart with acetone
[03:16:14] <Tom_itx> harder to remove
[03:16:40] <Tom_itx> probably not suitable for production
[03:17:00] <pfred1> yeah wouldn't want to be gluing then ungluing stuff
[03:17:09] <Tom_itx> after all cnc is about production
[03:17:12] <FinboySlick> I really need to enclose my mill so I can do some real work without messing up the house ;)
[03:17:37] <pfred1> why is your mill in your house?
[03:17:49] <Connor1> What g-code would I use to make a circle, .480 diam, with a Flats (.440" at the flats) .125" dia endmill
[03:17:53] <tjb1> pfred1: why not? :P
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[03:17:56] <FinboySlick> Because I don't want it to rust outside :P
[03:18:03] <pfred1> tjb1 messy
[03:18:15] <Tom_itx> mine is in a box: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Boxes/milling1.jpg
[03:18:21] <pfred1> FinboySlick I keep mine in my garage
[03:18:41] <Tom_itx> with a plexi front and lid
[03:18:41] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: I actually have one of those.
[03:18:54] <FinboySlick> Yours is better kept than mine.
[03:19:09] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/sherline_files/sherline_index.php
[03:19:23] <pfred1> I've had my mill for a good 25 years now
[03:19:34] <Tom_itx> i've probably had that about the same
[03:19:48] <ReadError> Tom_itx
[03:19:49] <ReadError> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/new_kits/USBTinyMkII_blue_full_kit_desc.jpg
[03:19:50] <jdhNC> connor: think anything bad will happen if I hook my c41 gnd/+v to the controller backwards?
[03:19:51] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: Is that your only mill? I sort of assumed you had all kinds of big things.
[03:19:52] <Tom_itx> at least 20
[03:19:52] <ReadError> how did you do the paint?
[03:20:06] <Tom_itx> FinboySlick i used to program and run the big ones
[03:20:17] <Tom_itx> ReadError heh
[03:20:18] <Connor_CNC> jdhNC: No Clue. Why, did you? :)
[03:20:19] <Tom_itx> stencil
[03:20:38] <jdhNC> not yet, it's 50/50 now unless I take the front/back off
[03:21:04] <Connor_CNC> I don't think I would risk it.
[03:21:07] <Tom_itx> ReadError, err silkscreeen
[03:21:33] <Connor_CNC> I don't recall if it has a diode, or if the rectifier can handle reverse polarity.
[03:21:36] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/silkscreen/lid_cutout1.jpg
[03:21:50] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/silkscreen/lid_cutout2.jpg
[03:21:54] <jdhNC> connor: what are your x/y scales?
[03:22:02] <Connor_CNC> Dang it, I don't want to have to CAD a freaking circle with flats.
[03:22:03] <pfred1> diodes are rectifiers
[03:22:21] <Connor_CNC> not rectifier.. I meant regulator.
[03:22:27] <jdhNC> connor: draw the flat, then cut a circle around it.
[03:22:41] <pfred1> some diodes can regulate too zener diodes
[03:22:55] <jdhNC> I could draw it/cam it faster than I can remember how g2/g3 work
[03:23:08] <pfred1> they are what most voltage regulators use as reference voltage
[03:23:43] <Connor_CNC> 16000 is the scale.
[03:23:46] * pfred1 is just filled with useless electronics info :)
[03:23:51] <Tom_itx> FinboySlick i just play nowdays, my friend had a large shopfull of cnc's
[03:24:04] <Tom_itx> i did alot of programing and ran a few for him
[03:24:13] <Connor_CNC> okay.. heading into the office to cam out a freaking circle with flats.. :(
[03:24:20] <jdhNC> wonder what the pitch of this Z ballscrew is. 8000 seems to be almost perfectly half
[03:24:30] <pfred1> I made one of those for a porter cable circular saw
[03:25:02] <Tom_itx> FinboySlick, http://www.clearwaterengineering.com/
[03:25:08] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: I'm sure you get some neat stuff done even on that little sherline.
[03:25:11] <jdhNC> except my Z moves when I move the Y axis.
[03:25:20] <Tom_itx> FinboySlick, http://www.clearwaterengineering.com/gallery.php
[03:25:26] <Tom_itx> that's the type of stuff we made
[03:25:30] <Connor> I'll have to look.. I think the Z is 12 TPI or 6TPI.. I can't remeber.
[03:25:53] <Tom_itx> i'm sure i programmed some of those
[03:26:19] <jdhNC> connor: my Z is the metric ball screw
[03:26:25] <Connor> Oh.
[03:26:43] <Connor> Then, it's either 5mm or 10mm per twist.
[03:26:55] <pfred1> metric is just a fad it'll pass
[03:27:03] <Connor> you get a 2005 or 2010 ?
[03:27:11] <jdhNC> 5 I think
[03:27:19] <Tom_itx> FinboySlick, he started out in his garage
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[03:28:04] <FinboySlick> Admirable.
[03:28:12] <Connor> okay, 5.08 TPI
[03:28:24] <pfred1> kansas? why I thought there was nothing in Kansas but corn
[03:28:34] <Tom_itx> no, corn is in iowa
[03:28:38] <Tom_itx> we have wheat
[03:28:43] <Tom_itx> and airplanes
[03:28:45] <pfred1> oh
[03:28:48] <pfred1> we mix it up here
[03:28:58] <pfred1> we grow wheat and corn
[03:29:00] <Tom_itx> used to be alot more than there is now
[03:29:16] <Tom_itx> like agricultural equipment
[03:29:20] <Tom_itx> case, etc
[03:29:22] <pfred1> oh and soy beans I haven't seen many soy beans though this year
[03:29:24] <FinboySlick> From a CAD perspective, they're all very interesting parts. Definitely the kind of stuff my instructor would have us do.
[03:29:45] <Tom_itx> FinboySlick, nothing is flat on many of those
[03:29:59] <Tom_itx> that's what you get with airplane parts :)
[03:30:01] <FinboySlick> Hehe, more opportunity for me to get an A+
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[03:30:25] <FinboySlick> I'm sad to admit that it was my only university A+ though.
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[03:31:27] <pfred1> Tom_itx your friend make $17,000 oil drip pans?
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[03:31:43] <Tom_itx> i doubt it
[03:31:56] <pfred1> Tom_itx he could if he dontated to the right congressperson
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[03:32:40] <pfred1> I'm still dying to see one of these drip pans
[03:33:04] <FinboySlick> pfred1: They may only exist on invoices.
[03:33:21] <pfred1> no supposedly there is one in every apache helicopter
[03:33:46] <pfred1> they actually physically exist
[03:34:18] <FinboySlick> Ah, your best chance is to ask the russians then. Probably your easiest bet on getting plans for an Apache ;)
[03:34:54] <pfred1> I think when they shot bin laden they left them helo parts on purpose
[03:35:09] <pfred1> just to set the chinese back 10 years
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[03:35:45] <FinboySlick> I'm surprised he was still alive. What he got treated for in Dubai in 2002 was not something you live long with.
[03:36:05] <pfred1> magic johnson is still alive all it takes is money
[03:36:22] <FinboySlick> Well, he definitely had that.
[03:36:51] <pfred1> last time I saw magic he looked good for a person who has had aids for about 10 years
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[03:54:22] <tjb1> Can you order direct from 80/20 or do you have to go through a distributor?
[03:55:30] <tjb1> Got a quote of around $400 for the extrusions I needed and $150 for shipping, only 2 hours away so I thought I would just go pick the stuff up…well they don't have them…they get shipped direct from 80/20 in Indiana. So why the hell do I need to deal with a distributor if they don't have anything!?
[03:56:07] <djdelorie> doesn't 8020 custom cut and mill their stuff too?
[03:56:23] <tjb1> Not sure
[03:56:25] <djdelorie> I don't see how a distributor could do that
[03:56:34] <tjb1> I just need it cut to length
[03:56:51] <tjb1> Ill flip if the delivery company bends it...
[03:56:57] <tjb1> Ive worked for conway and I know how they handle stuff
[03:57:26] <tjb1> A 60 dock building is full by 1am
[03:57:47] <tjb1> and all freight needs to be moved in about 3 hours
[03:58:57] <tjb1> All go go go go and if something gets damaged they just fill a paper out
[03:59:37] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't let conway ship anything for me
[03:59:39] <Tom_itx> ever
[03:59:59] <tjb1> Its mostly the morons that work at the warehouses
[04:00:11] <tjb1> Some guy stacked a toro lawnmower on top of another
[04:00:23] <Tom_itx> they tried charging me double shipping once and the shipper had already paid the freight
[04:00:48] <tjb1> The crate was barely strong enough to support itself let alone another lawn mower and by the time it got to the warehouse I was at it had collapsed and was impossible to pick the top one off the bottom
[04:01:35] <tjb1> R&L came friday to deliver the tig welder
[04:02:05] <tjb1> Not too impressed with them, called and they said it was coming on a trailer with a lift gate. Not only did it not have a lift gate, the driver didn't even have a damn pallet jack
[04:03:55] <tjb1> Plus they sent a 48' trailer to do residential deliveries and he was only using about 12' of the trailer
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[12:01:25] <ReadError> i_tarzan has a wonderful connection
[12:05:31] <Loetmichel> ReadError: ... and rockstable ;-)
[12:42:09] <jymmm> I don't get it... how in the hell can aluminum powder be so explosive
[12:44:20] <Loetmichel> jymmm: get some rust mixed in and look in awe at the result ;-)
[12:47:38] <jymmm> Loetmichel: what happens?
[12:55:34] <Spida> *fump*
[12:56:13] <Spida> rust gets more oxygen to the aluminium
[12:56:31] <jymmm> exotheric reaction?
[12:58:11] <Loetmichel> google thermit
[12:59:22] <jymmm> Loetmichel: are you talking rust or iron oxide like in a hand warmer?
[13:00:32] <Loetmichel> milled rust will do
[13:00:36] <Loetmichel> rust powder
[13:00:58] <jymmm> ah, like thr dust produced form turn your brake drums
[13:01:43] <Loetmichel> thats the way nearly all railways welds their rails in place
[13:02:14] <Loetmichel> concrete form around the gap, thermit in, magnesium starter lighted on top, RUN
[13:02:32] <Loetmichel> s/form/mould
[13:03:27] <jymmm> Well, I'm not really looking for an explosive as much as a way to lower the auto-ignition temperature of materials
[13:03:43] <Loetmichel> itas not an explsive
[13:04:02] <Loetmichel> ist more like a oxygen lancet in powder form ;)
[13:04:38] <Loetmichel> VERY hot, sputtering molten steel.
[13:05:08] <archivist> I have some thermit here :)
[13:06:56] <jymmm> archivist: A microwave isn't fast enough to heat your morning coffee/tea?
[13:11:37] <archivist> my thermit has bronze/brass powder in it too, makes a brazed joint
[13:20:10] <jymmm> archivist: Don't like waiting for the soldering iron to heat up either huh?
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[13:20:46] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[13:20:47] <archivist> since when has it been possible to braze with a soldering iron!
[13:21:01] <jymmm> it's a joke, eeesh
[13:21:04] <Loetmichel> archivist: with the right soldering iron: since ever ;-)
[13:21:55] <Loetmichel> i have an old one with defective regulation which gets red hot... should be enough for brass ;-)
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[13:23:53] <archivist> red is not hot enough needs to be bright red
[13:24:02] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[13:24:10] <Loetmichel> dontz have a thermometer
[13:24:20] <Loetmichel> that cahn indicate more than 1000°c
[13:24:21] <archivist> I have :)
[13:24:37] <Loetmichel> but the one i have goes to blinking 999
[13:24:47] <Loetmichel> SHOULD be enough ;-)
[13:26:06] <Loetmichel> IIRC brass melts a t about 700°c
[13:26:35] <archivist> depends which brass http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-temperature-metals-d_860.html
[13:26:41] <archivist> 900+
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[16:01:23] <archivist> just right for retrofit fleabay 160802140162
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[16:07:56] <ReadError> lol
[16:07:58] <ReadError> no link?
[16:09:19] <Aero-Tec> got the lathe fixed
[16:10:12] <Aero-Tec> grounding problems and noise, needed to reroute some wiring
[16:10:15] <archivist> ReadError, you put the number in fleabays search in whichever countries version of fleabay
[16:12:30] <ReadError> 2000 pounds for a replacement eeprom ?
[16:12:33] <ReadError> jeeezeee
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[16:12:51] <archivist> cnc users get ripped off
[16:13:30] <archivist> it is 10 miles from me but I dont have cash or space
[16:13:59] <ReadError> do you have the need?
[16:14:35] <archivist> not really, except retrofit and sell as a worker :)
[16:22:18] <Aero-Tec> 2000 for a eprom card
[16:22:30] <Aero-Tec> not just the eprom
[16:22:51] <Aero-Tec> so not as bad, still not good
[16:23:14] <Aero-Tec> you could borrow the money
[16:23:26] <Aero-Tec> fix it and sell for a profit
[16:23:49] <Aero-Tec> throw it under a tarp
[16:24:09] <Aero-Tec> work on it as much as you can and them cash in
[16:24:24] <Aero-Tec> would make a great convert to mach
[16:25:28] <Aero-Tec> looks like you can get it for $1500
[16:26:00] <Aero-Tec> should be able to get it running for 2500
[16:26:45] <Aero-Tec> should be work 10K or so
[16:26:50] <Aero-Tec> oops
[16:27:03] <Aero-Tec> used the mach work in a EMC forum
[16:27:10] <Aero-Tec> shame shame
[16:27:13] <Aero-Tec> lol
[16:28:20] <Aero-Tec> a dash of paint would help the sale along, could make it worth 20K
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[16:41:58] <archivist> the m word...wash your mouth out!
[16:42:44] <archivist> it would be cheaper to retrofit probably and it would become a better machine
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[17:09:40] <tjb1> Anyone using the CNCrouterparts linear carriages?
[17:12:18] <archivist> there was someone in here couple of weeks back making a machine with them
[17:19:03] <tjb1> Without the racks for my machine, Im at about 2,200 buying everything
[17:19:19] <tjb1> I would like to make the carriages since they are so expensive
[17:22:06] <archivist> what sort of cnc are you making
[17:23:51] <tjb1> plasma table
[17:24:12] <tjb1> I hate that…the draws he provided have dimensions but you can't dimension off the drawing because it has been scaled...
[17:25:04] <archivist> ok so a little play is ok so that would be suitable if you keep dirt off them
[17:26:09] <archivist> last user was intending to run on aluminium track, I think he will have problems
[17:26:47] <tjb1> http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/414905_3554298172111_1112377031_33394573_527938187_o.jpg
[17:26:49] <tjb1> thats mine
[17:27:16] <tjb1> Scaled the drawing and the bearings have a diameter of .8661
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[17:28:29] <aj438393> Hi All, could someone tell me if the web registration for the forums are running correctly?
[17:28:39] <tjb1> Ah thats cool, the carriages just use abec 7 skateboard bearings
[17:29:09] <aj438393> Whenever i enter my details i get sent back to the same page with the form blanked and no error message or confirmation
[17:29:46] <tjb1> linuxcnc forums?
[17:29:51] <aj438393> yup
[17:30:06] <archivist> tjb1, if spatter lands on the track it could jamb your carriages have covers if possible
[17:30:29] <archivist> aj438393, use a better bame spammers have numbers in names
[17:30:29] <tjb1> Ill figure that out once I get it built
[17:30:36] <archivist> bame name
[17:31:07] <archivist> aj438393, there is some anti spammer detection probably catching you
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[17:31:28] <tjb1> I was able to register
[17:31:48] <aj204> humm, is gmail emails in the banned list?
[17:31:58] <archivist> I dont think so
[17:32:06] <tjb1> archivist: do you think I need more supports for the extrusions or is 4 each enough?
[17:32:16] <aj204> sorry about the rubbish nick, was annoyed at all the hoops needed to get irc running on this machine :S
[17:32:42] <aj204> il go try my luck registering again
[17:33:09] <archivist> tjb1, probably as your carriage load is constant
[17:33:29] <tjb1> They aren't really meant to support the extrusions
[17:33:40] <tjb1> more of just hold them in place and allow shimming to square
[17:35:15] <aj204> meh, giving up on the forum registration for now :S
[17:35:38] <aj204> would this channel be suitable for asking software question about linuxcnc?
[17:36:10] <tjb1> yes
[17:36:25] <tjb1> I don't use it yet so I won't be of much help
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[17:38:31] <aj204> Im having a stability problem when running linux cnc, it often crashes with a segfault or general protection fault
[17:39:01] <aj204> i cant find any post mentioning this when searching for segfault or protection fault so its not that common i assume...
[17:39:02] <cradek> what version?
[17:39:48] <aj204> 2.4.7 and 2.5.0 both running on ubuntu 10.4 downloaded from linuxcnc.org
[17:40:22] <aj204> the protection fault blamed python2.6 while the segfault blames Axis
[17:41:35] <aj204> Most of the troubleshooting tips centered arount timming issues, or video issues but unless the video issue :S
[17:41:50] <aj204> causes segfaults i dont think that would help
[17:42:00] <cradek> hmmm... have you tried running memtest?
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[17:42:12] <aj204> ram issue?
[17:42:39] <cradek> if stuff is crashy on a certian machine but not others, often it's just bad hardware
[17:42:52] <cradek> memtest is sort of ok at finding hardware problems
[17:43:19] <cradek> I've seen it find bad ram lots of times, and bad cpu cache once
[17:43:31] <aj204> cradek: ok, so unlikely do be video driver problem
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[17:44:04] <cradek> I wouldn't rule that out without further data
[17:44:25] <cradek> but do try memtest first
[17:45:07] <aj204> ok, will try that.
[17:45:38] <aj204> thanks for the advice
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[17:50:28] <tjb1> I need a better source for bearings
[17:50:43] <tjb1> these skateboard bearings are about $.8 each
[17:51:20] <archivist> cheap enough
[17:51:44] <tjb1> Well I need to buy 48 of them
[17:51:52] <tjb1> They are only 22mx7mm
[17:53:22] <archivist> I know look for sellers on ebay selling packs of 10 like item 120913428909
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[17:55:02] <tjb1> What is the ors?
[17:55:04] <tjb1> *2rs
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[17:56:40] <archivist> the seal rs is rubber seal " well 2 sides, zz is shielded (less friction)
[17:56:53] <tjb1> Alright, thanks
[17:56:57] <tjb1> Found a 50 pack for $26
[17:58:10] <ReadError> im getting pretty dang good with solidworks+visualmill :)
[17:58:23] <ReadError> well not _good_, but fast
[17:58:48] <tjb1> Any more research on a tig welder ReadError ?
[18:00:44] <jthornton> aww aj left
[18:02:12] <tjb1> Whats it called when you have multiple wires together
[18:02:24] <jthornton> archivist, gmail is highly filtered if allowed at all as 99.97% of spammers use gmail accounts
[18:02:48] <jthornton> cable
[18:06:37] <tjb1> Thanks jthornton found it
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[18:22:41] <Aero-Tec> back to the same problem on my lathe
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[19:31:45] <frallzor> http://www.multicamnw.com/support/manual/onsrud_routing_guide.pdf seems like nice material if one is interested =)
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[19:43:15] <mrsun> archivist, there? :)
[19:43:37] <archivist> hoo meee?
[19:43:50] * frallzor cuddles with archivist
[19:43:56] <frallzor> you better like it
[19:43:57] * archivist runs
[19:44:26] <mrsun> archivist, you had a southbend? .. what size is it? :)
[19:47:16] <mrsun> btw, 6.74mm of a threaded hole, does that match up any good with any metric or imperial threads?
[19:47:27] <mrsun> a set screw is missing on the lathe to guide the quill
[19:48:00] <archivist> a big ish one, cat number 81830 serial 96073 let me go into the garage to see size
[19:48:20] <anonimasu> mrsun: there is m7...
[19:48:54] <mrsun> m7 sounds strange, but its an old lathe so who knows =)
[19:49:12] <mrsun> archivist, was thinking if it was 4 1/2 inch or something so it matched some =)
[19:49:26] <anonimasu> i see them sometimes at work, rarely but they do exist
[19:49:28] <mrsun> and was about a set screw that is on the front of the whats it named, that the quill is sitting in
[19:49:48] <mrsun> right under int he front ... if its an ordenary set screw or something more
[19:50:19] <frallzor> M8 is 6.8mm
[19:50:27] <archivist> mrsun, mine is a 14 1/2 inch swing 6ft bed one
[19:50:45] <mrsun> frallzor, could be then =)
[19:50:46] <anonimasu> frallzor: might well be it
[19:51:07] <anonimasu> alot more likely, try a m8 first..
[19:51:40] <mrsun> is there any imperial that is close to size of an m8 ?
[19:51:50] <frallzor> 5/16
[19:51:52] <mrsun> feels stupid to buy a m8 set screw and then its imperial anyways :P
[19:52:09] <anonimasu> i made some shafts today measured at -0.001mm and -0.002 on a run of 10 of them ^_^
[19:52:11] * frallzor is looking at the back of his vernier caliper
[19:52:16] <frallzor> nice chart
[19:52:31] <archivist> mrsun, mine is similar to http://www.southbendlathe.com/historical_photo.aspx?id=35
[19:53:04] <mrsun> archivist, if there is a set screw right under where the quill is sitting, could you check if its just an ordenary set screw or something more for me? :)
[19:53:12] <mrsun> requires you to unscrew it tho :P
[19:53:49] <archivist> picture of where your screw is :)
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[19:54:25] * frallzor bets a nickle on 5/16 inch thread
[19:54:28] <mrsun> archivist, ough
[19:54:44] <mrsun> what is that part calle don a lathe ?
[19:55:23] <mrsun> tailstock :P
[19:55:24] <mrsun> maybe
[19:55:46] <archivist> ah the anti rotation screw?
[19:55:55] <mrsun> archivist, yes
[19:56:21] <mrsun> seen pictures of it being like a "box" on the top and then threaded
[19:56:25] <mrsun> could make one of those i guess
[19:56:32] <mrsun> screw it in then put the quill in
[19:56:35] <mrsun> and it cant rotate out
[19:56:42] <archivist> will be a few minutes
[19:57:00] <archivist> I expect a parallel end to the screw
[19:58:03] <mrsun> gah i just ripped my little toe nail off
[19:59:39] <mrsun> but need to clean up the groove ... they have been running it without that part for a long time it seems, and the "tightening" nut has been the thing holding it from rotating, so its kinda butchered :/
[19:59:58] <mrsun> i dont get it how someone can abuse a machine so much
[20:00:50] <mrsun> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f25/1143d1201033599-need-new-tailstock-quill-south-bend-10k-lathe-a962-1-.jpg my guess is that its somethingl ike that on yours
[20:01:15] <mrsun> on mine its screwed from the tailstock so its not sitting int he quill
[20:01:41] <Tom_itx> anonimasu what's up?
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[20:12:29] <mrsun> original south bend gears doesnt seem to fit my lathe :/
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[20:12:52] <mrsun> got bull gear of 123mm and 70 teeth, south bend ones seem to have 126mm and 76 teeth :/
[20:13:04] <mrsun> or wait
[20:13:12] <mrsun> 123.7mm ... seems right at the od
[20:13:18] <mrsun> so why does the teeth not match :P
[20:13:40] <mrsun> no its mine that has 126mm and 70T .... and aouthbend 123.7mm and 76 seeth :P
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[20:20:31] <archivist> the anti rotation is a pin with angled end, that is held in by a side set screw pics in a mo
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[20:25:20] <archivist> mrsun, still assembled http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_05_20_southbend/IMG_1244.JPG
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[20:25:55] <archivist> the bits http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_05_20_southbend/IMG_1246.JPG
[20:26:58] <mrsun> biig pictures =)
[20:27:02] <archivist> grub is .309" dia
[20:27:36] <archivist> no edits to make them more better, you gets the raw info
[20:27:46] <Tom_itx> tomorrow
[20:28:12] <archivist> after everyone else tries to look too :(
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[20:28:36] <archivist> crappy 256k upload rate
[20:29:05] <mrsun> omg, you realy disassembled it for me :P
[20:29:14] <mrsun> oh it seems like a totaly different system on that one =)
[20:29:14] <archivist> yup
[20:29:42] <mrsun> i guess ill make a brass set screw that has a square on the top, or a slot
[20:29:57] <archivist> was thinking of painting the tailstock the other day, now I might actually do it
[20:30:05] <mrsun> archivist, heh win win =)
[20:30:16] <Tom_itx> if you do, don't repost the pic :)
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[20:32:25] <mrsun> have to call that company that had stock spare parts for my lathe tomorrow and see what they got =)
[20:32:36] <mrsun> if they have a bull gear or hell, a whole spindle and what it would cost
[20:32:41] <mrsun> my guess is expensive :/
[20:32:46] <archivist> is this fast enough http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_05_20_southbend/IMG_1244_1000.JPG
[20:33:11] * Tom_itx hugs archivist
[20:33:15] <archivist> new spindle....new bearings
[20:34:20] <mrsun> bearings doesnt need changing
[20:34:39] <mrsun> if the spindle has the same OD :P
[20:36:28] <mrsun> if i had money i would go to them, check what they got and buy some stuff for the lathe ... missing alot of tools like follower rest, steady rest, one of the gears was totaly chattered, new leadscrew ... :P
[20:37:20] <archivist> directory has scaled and full size pics now http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_05_20_southbend/
[20:39:55] <archivist> the lathe needed some de rusting due to a leaky roof, roof was another job I did something about today
[20:40:09] <mrsun> =)
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[20:43:59] <andypugh> Took the fire engine to Kew Bridge pumping station today. A friend took a bunch of photos. There are some lovely big steam engines (and some small red ones) http://flickr.com/gp/27565507@N06/410m9Z/
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[20:47:35] * archivist loves a picnic up the water tower there :)
[20:48:02] <andypugh> I was wondering if they let folk up the tower, but I was a bit too busy to check.
[20:50:20] <archivist> down the bottom of the page http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=kew
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[20:55:56] <archivist> some of my pics are not in public areas of kew
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[21:04:33] <alex4nder> hey
[21:04:52] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:09:28] <Aero-Tec> this lathe is driving me nuts
[21:09:50] <Aero-Tec> very intermittent
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[21:11:56] <archivist> whats wrong/happening
[21:13:15] <frallzor> or what ISNT happening
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[21:28:04] <Spida> win 30
[21:28:08] <Spida> oops
[21:29:06] <Aero-Tec> the motor growling one one dir and not the other
[21:29:24] <Aero-Tec> it also goes at slow speeds
[21:30:42] <Aero-Tec> it was not errorring the drives but that may have changed
[21:31:15] <Aero-Tec> it is so hit and miss now
[21:31:30] <Aero-Tec> works most of the time
[21:31:54] <Aero-Tec> just every so often it will act up
[21:32:32] <Aero-Tec> I like a problem that does not run and hide
[21:33:05] <Aero-Tec> it's broke, I fix, it stays fixed
[21:33:14] <Aero-Tec> nice and clean
[21:34:14] <Aero-Tec> hate not knowing if what you have done fixed it or not
[21:34:40] <Aero-Tec> all one can do is keep playing with if and hope it is fixed
[21:35:19] <Aero-Tec> this problem is hell on tooling, and parts
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[21:39:21] <MDesade> hello hello
[21:39:26] <alex4nder> hello
[21:39:28] <Aero-Tec> hello
[21:39:42] <frallzor> hello Bob
[21:39:55] <MDesade> I need some help getting a new installation running. I am using a Ethernet Smoothstepper, connected to a breakout board, to Gecko G213V's, and Keling NEMA42 motors... anyone???
[21:40:13] <MDesade> the breakout board is a C32 from CNC4PC
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[21:48:15] <MDesade> anyone?
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[22:14:50] <JT-Shop> ethernet?
[22:14:57] <JT-Shop> MDesade: ^^
[22:15:06] <Aero-Tec> I have never played with a smooth stepper
[22:15:23] <JT-Shop> isn't that some device for mack3
[22:15:34] <Aero-Tec> yep
[22:15:58] <Aero-Tec> and I never heard of a ethernet version ether
[22:16:14] <Aero-Tec> not saying they have not made one
[22:16:37] <Aero-Tec> I have not kept up to date on smooth stepper
[22:16:53] <JT-Shop> wonder what the ethernet part does....
[22:17:17] <JT-Shop> never heard of a G213V drive either
[22:17:18] <frallzor> same as the PP
[22:17:20] <Aero-Tec> I would guess it would be in place of a USB port
[22:17:40] <JT-Shop> evening frallzor
[22:17:43] <frallzor> but in realtime i guess
[22:17:46] <frallzor> unlike usb
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[22:18:01] <frallzor> hello mr JT-Shop
[22:18:05] <JT-Shop> LOL
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[22:18:41] <Aero-Tec> is MD still here?
[22:18:44] <frallzor> http://www.lolz.se/uploader/pics/IMG_3979.jpg looks worse on the pictures, but its better irl =)
[22:19:12] <JT-Shop> cool
[22:19:15] <Aero-Tec> cool, what is it?
[22:19:24] <JT-Shop> Aero-Tec: his nick is still alive
[22:19:28] <frallzor> just a random remote-thingy shape
[22:19:42] <frallzor> with lots of 3D-features
[22:20:02] <JT-Shop> frallzor: how did you hold it?
[22:20:24] <Aero-Tec> is that code for "it my top secret project that will change the world"?
[22:20:25] <frallzor> I had a 1/4" flat iron
[22:20:33] <frallzor> no biggie
[22:21:05] <frallzor> or not feet, but you get what I go for =)
[22:21:12] <frallzor> or is " feet or inch?
[22:21:23] <Aero-Tec> so it was bolted to the flat iron?
[22:21:48] <MDesade> yes, i am using MACH, but the hardware is mostly the same...
[22:21:50] <frallzor> ill go im millimeter instead, did all machining down so there was 0.5mm left holding it
[22:22:02] <frallzor> and then just a final cut of the 0.5mm
[22:22:23] <Aero-Tec> ok
[22:22:52] <frallzor> 6mm thick, maching down so 0.5mm holding it, then a final 0.5 cut, all done
[22:23:27] <Aero-Tec> hello MD
[22:23:45] <Aero-Tec> MDesade: calling md
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[22:24:07] <Aero-Tec> see if we can get more info from him
[22:25:50] <Aero-Tec> back to the fight with my lathe
[22:26:02] <JT-Shop> who is winning?
[22:26:41] <Aero-Tec> right now the lathe
[22:26:52] <frallzor> hmm I set my tool at 32.5mm JT-Shop
[22:26:53] <Aero-Tec> the problem keeps coming and going
[22:26:54] <JT-Shop> yuck
[22:27:01] <Aero-Tec> but mostly it is gone
[22:27:09] <JT-Shop> electrical?
[22:27:33] <Aero-Tec> not sure, but most likely
[22:27:34] <frallzor> why does it something change to like 32.4 when homing the same way as I allways do
[22:27:41] <frallzor> *sometimes
[22:28:24] <JT-Shop> what changes?
[22:28:26] <Aero-Tec> both motors will work good one dir and growl in the other dir
[22:28:47] <frallzor> JT-Shop the home-value
[22:28:56] <JT-Shop> Aero-Tec: stepper?
[22:28:57] <frallzor> it should allways be 32.5 when offset
[22:29:04] <Aero-Tec> if the dir sig is high it may growl
[22:29:11] <Aero-Tec> servos
[22:29:20] <Aero-Tec> but step and dir
[22:29:28] <Aero-Tec> gecko drives
[22:29:49] <Aero-Tec> the encoders are solid
[22:30:16] <Aero-Tec> not loose and the wheel is solid on motor shaft
[22:30:41] <Aero-Tec> it work great most of the time
[22:32:07] <JT-Shop> frallzor: are you talking about when you do a G53 G0 X0 or something the DRO reading?
[22:32:08] <Aero-Tec> some time you hear that it is not real smooth, just a slight noise witch means it is missing steps
[22:32:31] <Aero-Tec> other time it is a growl, ton of missing steps
[22:32:41] <frallzor> nah when I run code I use my toolsetter and set the home position of Z
[22:32:45] <JT-Shop> Aero-Tec: are you using shielded wire for any part?
[22:33:04] <Aero-Tec> encoders are sheilded
[22:33:17] <frallzor> when I switch files now when using this new PP it somethings doesnt set the home Z as 32.5 rather other number
[22:33:19] <Tom_itx> on shielded wire do you leave the shield ungrounded on one end?
[22:33:21] <JT-Shop> shield drain is grounded only on one end?
[22:33:33] <Aero-Tec> thing is it can come and go
[22:33:51] <Aero-Tec> was tied to the neg of the 5 volt supply
[22:33:52] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop why is that important?
[22:33:59] <JT-Shop> frallzor: how are you reading the "home" value
[22:34:01] <Tom_itx> i've heard that before
[22:34:08] <Aero-Tec> now it is free floating
[22:34:17] <MDesade> hello Tom_itx
[22:34:20] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: if you ground it on both ends you create a current loop and that will drive electrons nuts
[22:34:22] <MDesade> who is MD?
[22:34:22] <frallzor> its an offset from the toolsetter when it stops jogging
[22:34:32] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop ok
[22:34:34] <MDesade> Aero-Tec who is MD?
[22:34:41] <Tom_itx> i figured it was something like that
[22:34:45] <Tom_itx> MDesade ?
[22:34:46] <Aero-Tec> you
[22:34:51] <JT-Shop> Aero-Tec: not connected on either end or connected on one end?
[22:35:24] <Aero-Tec> not sure if the motor end is connected
[22:35:32] <Aero-Tec> can check
[22:35:35] <MDesade> ah, gotcha
[22:35:46] <frallzor> I want to blame the PP, its like it makes the bottom move
[22:35:47] <MDesade> ah, gotcha...
[22:35:49] <JT-Shop> power is flicking on and off !
[22:36:06] <Aero-Tec> MDesade: you were asking for help and we got talking it over and wanted more info from you
[22:36:17] <Aero-Tec> power is fine
[22:36:18] <JT-Shop> frallzor: see if the g code is what is moving
[22:36:34] <JT-Shop> Aero-Tec: no, mine is blinking
[22:36:42] <frallzor> i think the EMC PP is doing more than it really should
[22:36:58] <Tom_itx> out to do some wiring
[22:37:00] <JT-Shop> that I agree on
[22:37:08] <Aero-Tec> MDesade: you said your using smooth stepper, are you running mach?
[22:37:12] <Tom_itx> and make a test fixture to hold all this stuff
[22:37:14] <MDesade> Tom_itx you gave me some initial advice a few months ago, about converting that Smithy to a CNC... I sold that machine, bought a bridgeport series 1 CNC, gutted the electronics and motors, and rehabbed it from the ground up
[22:37:27] <Tom_itx> i did?
[22:37:44] <Aero-Tec> MDesade: also when did smooth stepper start making a ethernet version?
[22:37:46] <MDesade> Aero-Tec yes and yes. (i know this is a linux room, but i was asking about the hardware)
[22:37:52] <jdhNC> I have set all my home velocities to 0 (no home/limit switches wired up yet) but it still tries to do home movement. Is there something I am missing?
[22:38:02] <frallzor> I think ill stick to the mach2 PP for now, it seems to work the best =)
[22:38:08] <JT-Shop> Aero-Tec: make sure the shield and drain wire is connected to a solid ground on one end only
[22:38:38] <Tom_itx> MDesade sounds like a bold project
[22:38:40] <JT-Shop> jdhNC: do you have home sequence in your ini?
[22:38:47] <Aero-Tec> JT-Shop: will check that, thanks
[22:39:03] <jdhNC> JT: I've tried taking them out, no change.
[22:39:17] <MDesade> Tom_itx yeah, i'm 5 grand into this
[22:39:23] <Tom_itx> can't stop now
[22:39:28] <JT-Shop> pastebin your ini file for us to look at
[22:39:48] <Tom_itx> ok, i'm afk to work on my drivers and psu wiring
[22:39:52] <JT-Shop> wow 5k is a bunch to convert a knee mill
[22:39:57] <jdhNC> it will take me a minute
[22:40:12] <MDesade> Tom_itx yeah, it's going to work one way or another
[22:40:13] <JT-Shop> ok, I'll brb
[22:40:13] <Aero-Tec> MDesade: when did smooth stepper start making a ethernet version?
[22:40:49] <MDesade> Aero-Tec i'm not sure, best i can tell you, it's been a while...
[22:41:15] <Aero-Tec> last I hear they just had USB
[22:41:31] <MDesade> JT-Shop - yes, but that includes the price of the Bridgeport itself
[22:41:47] <Aero-Tec> there was talk of a ethernet version but it sounded a long way off
[22:42:23] <jdhNC> JT: http://pastebin.com/EJFxYHS1
[22:42:31] <MDesade> JT-Shop - AND, I'm not buying crap components. it's all NEW parts, new everything. new computer, new touchscreen. no hand-me-downs
[22:43:00] <Aero-Tec> what are you going to make with the new machine?
[22:43:22] <frallzor> doing an interesting test now JT-Shop, simple contour operation, PPed with both the EMC PP and the generic mach2 PP that also works
[22:43:39] <MDesade> Aero-Tec under MACH i can see the data going to the smoothstepper, however it is connected to CNC4PC's C32 breakout board, and i "think" that is where the problem is
[22:43:42] <Aero-Tec> you got plans? or are you just having fun with it?
[22:44:07] <MDesade> Aero-Tec it's for my business. we make a sprinkler timer.
[22:44:24] <Aero-Tec> cool
[22:44:33] <JT-Shop> frallzor: try the RS274 one too
[22:45:00] <MDesade> hehe, besides? every man needs one in his garage? don't all my neighbors have an industrial shop in theirs??
[22:45:04] <MDesade> haha!!
[22:45:09] <Aero-Tec> MDesade: so what is the problem exactly?
[22:45:09] <frallzor> the EMC one uses G1/G3 on every single move
[22:45:33] <frallzor> G1/G3/G1/G3 over and over again
[22:46:19] <Aero-Tec> do you have to use g1 and g3 all the time?
[22:46:37] <frallzor> well the Post Processor seems to think thats cool
[22:46:53] <frallzor> it switched between G1 and G3 every row
[22:46:56] <frallzor> *s
[22:47:16] <MDesade> Aero-Tec ok, so i load up some G-code and execute it. I see it sending the data to the smoothstepper in the MACH plugin. AND it's lights are blinking like it's receiving the data. the port 1&2 are connected directly to the C32 breakout board, which then connect to the Gecko G213V drives, and to the Keling NEMA42's
[22:48:03] <Aero-Tec> and does it move?
[22:48:05] <MDesade> the motors are not moving, and the C32 lights are not blinking on those 3x axis, meaning somewhere on that board, it is not moving the data to the drives
[22:48:08] <Aero-Tec> buzz?
[22:48:12] <MDesade> no and no
[22:48:36] <frallzor> JT-Shop RS-PP looks alot like the EMC output
[22:48:51] <JT-Shop> steppers are solid when powered up ie they can't be moved by hand?
[22:49:01] <frallzor> or pretty much the same minus the NXXX at every row atm
[22:49:01] <MDesade> just holding still (you can feel the shafts are are their "holding current" since they move freely with no power)
[22:49:03] <JT-Shop> frallzor: ok
[22:49:47] <MDesade> the pulleys are NOT connected to the table, so it won't move or break anything by testing it
[22:49:49] <Aero-Tec> some of the BOBs were having problems with bad optos
[22:50:02] <MDesade> ah...
[22:50:02] <Aero-Tec> cool that is good
[22:50:24] <MDesade> no amber or red lights on the Gecko's just a green power light
[22:51:21] <JT-Shop> MDesade: how is the system connected to each other bob > gecko?
[22:53:10] <MDesade> JT-Shop CNC4PC sells these RJ45 connectors specifically for the Gecko's, so i have 3x of those screwed onto the taps on the Drives, and then a 12 inch CAT5 wire to the C32 BOB which directly plugs into it's RJ45
[22:54:14] <jdhNC> geez.. it was the HOME= line I had typoed
[22:54:54] <JT-Shop> MDesade: the cat5 wire is for step and direction?
[22:55:33] <MDesade> Also, i have a 270K ohm resistor on the Gecko's to limit the current to 6amps, matching the current requirement for the Keling NEMA-42s
[22:56:22] <JT-Shop> when the gecko drive is powered up you should not be able to turn the stepper by hand and you say you can?
[22:56:37] <MDesade> yes: disable, step, dir and common. those 4 pins it from the BOB via the CAT5
[22:57:02] <MDesade> JT-Shop no, not with power. they are holding. without power, yes i can
[22:57:28] <JT-Shop> and the led is green on the 213?
[22:58:23] <MDesade> since i have the power supplies connected via a big disconnect and 240V, i can power off the motors and spindle VFD without messing with the computer
[22:58:36] <MDesade> JT-Shop the light IS green
[22:59:11] <MDesade> like i said, i "think" it's signal is not making it through the C32 BOB....
[22:59:16] <Aero-Tec> NEMA-42s only taking 6 amps?
[22:59:24] <Aero-Tec> that sounds wrong
[22:59:27] <MDesade> thus , even though this is a Linux room, it's the same hardware
[22:59:42] <Aero-Tec> they should be able to take the full output
[22:59:54] <MDesade> Aero-tec - ill send you a link, showing you how i have it wired? it's bi-polar paralell
[23:00:26] <Aero-Tec> did you try the smooth stepper forum
[23:00:45] <Aero-Tec> also the cnc4pc forum
[23:00:56] <Aero-Tec> they would be of more help
[23:00:56] <JT-Shop> MDesade: the led color on the 213 is?
[23:01:49] <JT-Shop> seems a complicated way to drive a gecko stepper drive to me
[23:01:50] <MDesade> http://kelinginc.net/NEMA42Motor.html
[23:02:01] <MDesade> JT-Shop GREEN!!
[23:02:22] <JT-Shop> ok, 213 is healthy
[23:02:52] <MDesade> JT-Shop actually, it's pretty simple? it's provides a quick disconnect
[23:02:55] <JT-Shop> I've blown optos on breakout boards connecting them up wrong before
[23:03:08] <MDesade> yeah, the problem is in the C32
[23:03:38] <JT-Shop> but you have the speed limits of a parallel port and for the same money you could get 10x better performace with a 5i25/7i76 combo
[23:04:24] <MDesade> JT-Shop as have I... however, they usually crack the plastic on their case, which visually everything looks ok, and i haven't gotten rough with any of this stuff. its all new
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[23:05:01] <JT-Shop> ok the c32 has an enable line yes?
[23:05:13] <MDesade> JT-Shop. the smoothstepper takes care of a lot of the parallel issues.
[23:05:19] <MDesade> yes
[23:05:38] <JT-Shop> where is the smooth stepper in the chain?
[23:05:59] <Aero-Tec> the smooth feed the BOBs
[23:06:26] <Aero-Tec> some comp to smooth to BOBs to drives to steppers
[23:06:31] <Aero-Tec> from
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[23:07:14] <robin_sz> ping?
[23:07:19] <robin_sz> did everyone die?
[23:07:22] <syyl_> peng!
[23:07:27] <robin_sz> obviously not
[23:07:28] <JT-Shop> phhhhhh
[23:07:29] <Aero-Tec> ping back
[23:07:35] <MDesade> the smoothstepper gets it's signal over ethernet, and in the MACH panel, i see it sending and receiving just fine
[23:07:40] <robin_sz> well, apart from Jymm's parrot
[23:07:56] <JT-Shop> MDesade: so you have $400 worth of hardware that still uses the parallel port?
[23:08:18] <JT-Shop> ok I forgot we are talking mack here
[23:08:19] * robin_sz listens up
[23:08:21] <MDesade> it seems to be blinking rapidly when i send G-code to it, and just isn't moving the motors...
[23:08:29] <MDesade> JT-Shop yes, that is the poop
[23:08:32] <Aero-Tec> Mesa boards would have been better and cheaper
[23:08:35] <robin_sz> yes
[23:08:40] <robin_sz> Mesa ftw
[23:08:50] <JT-Shop> Aero-Tec: for linuxcnc for sure but not for mack
[23:09:01] <Aero-Tec> true
[23:09:07] <JT-Shop> mack has to use workaround hardware like smoothsteppers
[23:09:09] <Aero-Tec> BTW mach3
[23:09:14] <Aero-Tec> not mack
[23:09:16] <Aero-Tec> lol
[23:09:20] <JT-Shop> who cares
[23:09:25] <robin_sz> I never had anything but deep fails with Mach
[23:09:27] <Aero-Tec> mack is the truck
[23:09:39] <JT-Shop> ok it's a truck too
[23:09:47] <Aero-Tec> I have had problem with mach as wel
[23:09:55] <Aero-Tec> thus my being here
[23:09:59] <JT-Shop> I never could get mack to run well
[23:10:17] <robin_sz> It cost me a lot trying to get it to run plasmas
[23:10:20] <robin_sz> it never did
[23:10:35] <robin_sz> the biggest problem (apart from realtime glitches)
[23:10:35] <Aero-Tec> I have had it go top speed through my part
[23:10:36] <MDesade> i tired the linux EMC, i couldn't get the newer version to run, but the older one did... i "think" i have it loaded still on another hard drive in my office
[23:10:42] <robin_sz> was the macros
[23:11:13] <robin_sz> some years ago, EMC was a complete pig to install
[23:11:17] <MDesade> however, i don't believe my issue here has anything to do with the software
[23:11:23] <robin_sz> these days, with the live CDs etc, its a snap
[23:11:24] <Aero-Tec> was doing a run, had made like 20 parts, half way through part 21 it tried to go though the part at full speed
[23:11:28] <MDesade> it's a hardware issue
[23:11:30] <JT-Shop> MDesade: you can run any version of LinuxCNC from 8.04 or 10.04
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[23:11:49] <Aero-Tec> stalled every thing, big cutter so it did not break
[23:11:51] <MDesade> i couldn't get 10.04 to load properly, but 8.04 did
[23:11:56] <JT-Shop> MDesade: I agree it is a hardware issue
[23:12:20] <robin_sz> more likely, smoothstepper is not being correctly addressed by mach
[23:12:28] <MDesade> this is a ASUS intel Atom proc, 4 gigs of RAM, 128gig SSD, so it's got plenty of performance
[23:12:48] * robin_sz shrugs
[23:13:03] <MDesade> robin_sz no, i see all the lights blinking like it's getting the signal. it's NOT the smoothstepper.
[23:13:25] <robin_sz> and what is that signal telling it to do
[23:13:26] <JT-Shop> interesting enough you don't need mega computers to run a CNC machine a D525 for $80 works great
[23:13:33] <MDesade> i could prove it with my o'scope. but, again, its not software
[23:14:07] <robin_sz> so, let me get this right ...
[23:14:14] <MDesade> JT-Shop for whatever it's worth, i use linux wherever i can, but i ended up liking MACH3 better, so i ran with it
[23:14:22] <robin_sz> you have the ethernet smoothstepper?
[23:15:18] <robin_sz> and when you say "you see all the lights blinking" .. what lights exactly?
[23:15:21] <robin_sz> the shop lights?
[23:15:26] <robin_sz> the ethenet comms lights?
[23:15:45] <Aero-Tec> I got to go spend time with the lathe and see if I can track down the glitch
[23:15:49] <JT-Shop> MDesade: no problem if you like something use it
[23:17:47] <Aero-Tec> MDesade: one word of warning, lots of guys have had mach make wrong moves, break probes and probe tips, cutters and parts
[23:17:51] <MDesade> ok, cool. i just didn't want to start a big religious debate on linux vs windoze, etc. my love for the penguin is not the issue here
[23:17:59] <Aero-Tec> I am one of them
[23:18:09] <MDesade> LOL... fair enough
[23:18:37] * frallzor just made a girl cry over a joke
[23:18:45] <jdhNC> as an opinion, win* is not suitable for real-time.
[23:19:08] <Aero-Tec> I do really like the mach interface and easy of use and setup
[23:19:11] <robin_sz> well, you may do better on the Mach forum, afaik, there is no EMC driver for the smoothstepper, so we are unlikely to have any useful assistance
[23:19:29] <jdhNC> I'd like to have some of the mach wizards
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[23:20:04] <robin_sz> Aero-Tec, yeah, the interface is nice, and highyl cofigurable, but the threadign sucks ... it used to lock up in macros .. and macros seemed to get confused as to order of exectution
[23:20:13] <MDesade> well, the issue is the CNC4PC breakout board, that can be used in EITHER OS environment. so, if any of you have used a C32 BOB, i'm all ears here
[23:20:47] <robin_sz> I thought is was smoothstepper?
[23:21:43] <MDesade> my experience with either MACH or EMC is: when you use a old POS computer, and try to have it do "realtime", there tends to be problems. however, if you BUILD a new PC, specifically built for whatever it's job is. it just works better
[23:22:11] <robin_sz> mine is the opposite
[23:22:30] <JT-Shop> mine is the opposite
[23:22:36] <jdhNC> same here, but
[23:22:44] <robin_sz> i find of fthe shelf old Dell's work fine for EMC, and its the "home built" attempts that never work
[23:22:51] <MDesade> the smoothstepper has two parallel ports. which connect directly to the C32. the signal is getting to the smoothstepper just fine, but i'm NOT getting the motors to move, and "seems" to be getting lost in the C32
[23:23:04] <jdhNC> are you sure you have a smoothstepper?
[23:23:08] <robin_sz> yeah, as I said, software issue
[23:23:27] <robin_sz> "the signal" as you put it is a ethernet signal
[23:23:36] <robin_sz> it has to tell the smoothstepper what to do
[23:23:44] <robin_sz> its telling it to do the wrong thing
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[23:23:51] <MDesade> no
[23:23:58] <robin_sz> ok, then it all works, hurrah
[23:24:26] <jdhNC> you have a smoothstepper with a parallel port?
[23:24:45] * robin_sz asked him that way back up there
[23:25:01] <MDesade> when you send it a signal, regardless of HOW. ethernet, parallel, smoke signals? whatever, the lights blink faster and so on. so i can SEE the thing is getting the signal to move. the BOB has 3 LEDs per axis, and those are NOT lighting up
[23:25:12] <robin_sz> "the lights"
[23:25:22] <robin_sz> I asked you what lights
[23:25:36] <robin_sz> you did not answer
[23:25:41] <jdhNC> you are talking to a smoothstepper via a p-port breakout board?
[23:25:57] <JT-Shop> I think it is this one http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?products_id=366
[23:26:19] <JT-Shop> like I said a very complex slow way to drive a stepper
[23:26:26] * JT-Shop just shakes his head
[23:26:52] <robin_sz> well, he doesnt want to seem to tell us what it is
[23:26:57] <MDesade> JT-Shop yes, that's it
[23:27:06] <MDesade> and here is the BOB http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=255
[23:27:22] <robin_sz> so WHAT LIGHTS blink faster???????
[23:27:32] <robin_sz> the ethernet comms lights?
[23:28:22] <JT-Shop> MDesade: I assume you have to have some magic settings in mack for the smooth stepper to work properly
[23:28:27] <MDesade> robin_sz there are 4x LEDs on the ethernet smoothstepper. yes, 2x (i think) are ethernet comm LEDs
[23:28:39] <robin_sz> so, it is a software isssue
[23:28:42] <MDesade> JT-Shop yes, it comes with a software driver
[23:28:45] <robin_sz> the unit is receiving comms
[23:28:51] <robin_sz> but the instructions are wrong
[23:29:17] <JT-Shop> MDesade: what mode is the smoothstepper board configured for?
[23:29:21] <MDesade> ok robin, it's software
[23:29:23] <robin_sz> surely the best place to ask is the mach forum, they will have a confiuration tester etc?
[23:29:25] <MDesade> sheesh?
[23:29:43] <MDesade> JT-Shop what do you mean?
[23:29:49] <jdhNC> http://www.warp9td.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=33
[23:30:05] <JT-Shop> the smoothstepper board is configurable for mode when you power it up
[23:30:24] <JT-Shop> btw, the hardware is mack specific
[23:30:33] * robin_sz nods
[23:30:48] <jdhNC> so, it is Mock->smoothstepper->C32->stepper?
[23:30:53] <JT-Shop> there is a jumper on the board for mode what position is it in?
[23:31:02] <MDesade> JT-Shop right, but what modes are you asking about?
[23:31:08] <JT-Shop> jdhNC: I think so
[23:31:24] <MDesade> jdhNC yes that is right
[23:31:29] <JT-Shop> http://warp9td.com/documentation/ESS-TroubleshootingGuide.pdf
[23:32:03] <jdhNC> I'd hate to be their support guy!
[23:32:04] <robin_sz> I would have hoped Mach3 was able to detect and check the heatlh of its attached motion controller
[23:32:35] <JT-Shop> MDesade: is it possible to just take the smoothstepper out of the loop to verify the health of the bob?
[23:34:08] <JT-Shop> it's so much simpler to just plug in a 5i25 to the pci slot and plug the 7i76 into it and wire up your drives and have 10x the performance of the smooth stepper for $200!
[23:35:01] <robin_sz> the C32 is just an expensive paralell port isolator .. you can check that easily with Mach, as its simple to assign pins and toggle them in Mach
[23:35:25] <MDesade> JT-Shop - ok, the IP address on it is a little screwy "out of the box" however, i DO have the IP all setup static, and it's ping-able and comms just fine. i have a netgear 5-port gigabit switch built into this whole panel that runs the bridgeport
[23:36:11] <jdhNC> speaking of mesa... for a 7i37TA, can I run +5vdc -NC switch->ibit+ on the 7i37, then ibit->4.7k->gnd? No issues with current?
[23:37:08] <robin_sz> I think from memory it can source 5ma
[23:37:15] <robin_sz> but Id have to check
[23:37:26] <pcw_home> No resistor needed
[23:37:26] <MDesade> JT-Shop good question. i need to purchase a couple of parallel cables to make that happen
[23:37:56] <pcw_home> 7I37 inputs are good from 3 to 24VDC
[23:38:00] <jdhNC> cool, that will make things prettier.
[23:38:33] <MDesade> if there was time, before the eclipse, i'd run to frys electronics and get a couple right now. but? i want to see this celestial event, as the last one was in 1994
[23:38:43] <pcw_home> if the red LED lights you have the input backwards
[23:39:02] <robin_sz> eclipse
[23:39:06] <robin_sz> tonight?
[23:39:09] <MDesade> yes
[23:39:13] <robin_sz> coo
[23:39:19] <JT-Shop> MDesade: so your jumper is on wakeup mode or bootp mode?
[23:39:21] <MDesade> in about an hour it starts
[23:39:22] <robin_sz> wonder if I can see it from uk
[23:39:32] <MDesade> JT-Shop wakeup
[23:39:39] <JT-Shop> ok
[23:40:07] <robin_sz> does mach not have a way to say "yes, I can see it and I am talking to it"?
[23:40:17] <MDesade> i was one a cisco CCNP, and setting an IP address and such is no biggie.
[23:41:26] <jdhNC> I worked at an answering service in college.
[23:41:41] <JT-Shop> I used to bury dead horses
[23:41:47] <jdhNC> you win!
[23:41:47] <MDesade> i'm hesitant to tell you how i have it here, as i'm sure i will get pounced on about "software" and such, but? my windoze box has two IP addresses
[23:41:58] <jdhNC> OMG!
[23:42:00] <jdhNC> so does mine!
[23:42:16] <jdhNC> sorry, that was uncalled for (but it does)
[23:42:24] <robin_sz> I am not foolish enough to allow my wondows box on the network :)
[23:42:39] <robin_sz> except on special occasions
[23:42:41] <jdhNC> robin: live a little!
[23:42:44] <MDesade> in windoze (or linux) you can setup a sub-interface where you have two IPs
[23:43:16] <JT-Shop> seems the "event" is on the left coast only...
[23:43:16] <robin_sz> even the kids machine is linux now, after the little pests installed so many virus that it would not evne boot
[23:43:36] <robin_sz> "ooh look, free game ... and its an .exe ... "
[23:43:49] <jdhNC> robin: good idea. My daughter used to do that all the time.
[23:43:50] <MDesade> so, since the Ethernet smoothstepper comes out of the box in wakeup mode with an IP of 10.9.9.9, i have my box setup as 10.9.9.8 AND a sub-if of 10.0.0.X for my local LAN
[23:43:57] <andypugh> robin_sz: You gave them Admin accounts?
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[23:44:34] <alex4nder> sick
[23:44:50] <alex4nder> ReadError: I got spindle on/off and coolant on/off working
[23:44:56] <alex4nder> it was surprisingly easy.
[23:45:04] <JT-Shop> nice
[23:45:25] <ReadError> ive uses a SSR in my RIMS
[23:45:28] <ReadError> works pretty simple
[23:45:40] <ReadError> feed 5-12v = on
[23:45:43] <andypugh> I wonder if it would be considered wasteful to use just the sserial parts of a 7i76 for spindle control?
[23:45:50] <robin_sz> you could do worse than fire up wireshark and try to see what crap is going backwards and forwards
[23:45:57] <alex4nder> ReadError: yup
[23:46:35] <alex4nder> these are the opto 22s that someone recommended to me the other day
[23:48:06] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, not visible from your fort?
[23:49:03] <JT-Shop> no it will be over the hill... have to be standing in Donner pass to see it I think
[23:49:03] <Tom_itx> 'in about an hour' does little good when i come back in and re'read the scrollback...
[23:49:24] <Tom_itx> lunar?
[23:49:26] <JT-Shop> google eclipse today
[23:49:36] <Tom_itx> why when i can ask you?
[23:49:37] <Tom_itx> :D
[23:49:48] <MDesade> you guys are all over the pond in the UK?
[23:49:58] <Tom_itx> who guys
[23:50:00] <Tom_itx> not me
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[23:50:15] <MDesade> JT-Shop for one
[23:50:26] <Tom_itx> no, he's my next door neighbor
[23:50:30] <MDesade> Tom_itx i am in phoenix, AZ
[23:50:32] <andypugh> It's 0050 in the UK, only the wierd are still up. (like robin)
[23:50:32] <Tom_itx> one state over
[23:50:40] <Tom_itx> ks
[23:51:19] <MDesade> Tom_itx BTW, I do appreciate (or did) your help a few months back, about that Smithy CB-1220-XL
[23:52:30] <MDesade> Tom_itx you also referred me to Keling, to buy the steppers/servos which they are a decent motor for the price. so, thank you for the vendor referral
[23:52:37] <andypugh> Time I logged, in fact.
[23:52:53] <Tom_itx> bye andy
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[23:53:08] <Tom_itx> oh
[23:53:48] <MDesade> so, thank you is all i was saying
[23:54:00] <Tom_itx> np
[23:54:05] <Tom_itx> i wish i remembered
[23:54:12] <Tom_itx> i sorta do
[23:54:17] <MDesade> haha! it's no biggie
[23:54:17] <JT-Shop> MDesade: don't get confused by the mack knocks we all hang out here cause we like to help people with CNC
[23:55:00] <MDesade> fair enough... i figured you guys would at least know about the CNC hardware
[23:55:00] <jdhNC> personally, I like to be helped.
[23:55:42] <JT-Shop> yea, the gecko drives and breakout boards but not mack specific hardware like smoothstepper
[23:55:46] <Tom_itx> i help alot in avr and other channels, i can't keep track
[23:56:09] <Tom_itx> oh, JT-Shop i did have a question about the geckos
[23:56:23] <Tom_itx> when i set the pot... does that ever change?
[23:56:39] <Tom_itx> ie if i hook the driver up to a different controller
[23:56:48] <JT-Shop> no, once you set it for smooth running in the mid range you never mess with it again
[23:57:03] <Tom_itx> so it's set for the motor, not the input signal?
[23:57:08] <JT-Shop> it is between the stepper and the drive and has nothing to do with the controller
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[23:57:13] <Tom_itx> good
[23:57:14] <JT-Shop> aye
[23:57:25] <Tom_itx> i may use this new setup on my old controller for a bit
[23:57:38] <Tom_itx> before i switch over to the mesa cards
[23:57:39] <skunkworks__> MDesade: does the bob have a charge pump?
[23:57:44] <Tom_itx> and linuxcnc
[23:57:52] <Tom_itx> i have both all set up
[23:58:29] <jdhNC> the axis arrow keys should move the table properly relative to the spindle, not move the table in the direction of th arrows?
[23:58:42] <JT-Shop> jdhNC: aye
[23:58:49] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, the other question about it was; will i need to reset it if i rewire the stepper for parallel mode?
[23:58:55] <Tom_itx> it's in series right now
[23:58:55] <JT-Shop> think of the bit moving not the table
[23:59:18] <Tom_itx> but i plan to rewire them for parallel for the new drivers
[23:59:22] <JT-Shop> don't have a clue, I've only wired mine one way
[23:59:26] <jdhNC> that's a pretty simple concept that I had issues with due to my only other machine being a gantry router where it was thsame thing.
[23:59:29] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, np
[23:59:36] <Tom_itx> i'll figure that out
[23:59:45] <MDesade> skunkworks_ yes