#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-06-16

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[00:00:30] <roycroft> most often, one for a drill bit, one for a countersink, and one for a screwgun bit
[00:01:03] <roycroft> sometimes one for a center drill, one for a jobber drill, and one for a countersink
[00:05:49] <Tom_itx> ubuntu doesn't like ati video cards?
[00:06:21] <Tom_itx> oh wait.. maybe it's just slow
[00:08:16] <Tom_itx> i wonder if this pc will even work for it
[00:10:27] <tjb1> Ever use a screw driver gun?
[00:10:30] <tjb1> Thing impacts :D
[00:11:32] <roycroft> i've used scewguns heaps of times
[00:13:08] <tjb1> The ones that impact?
[00:14:27] <tjb1> http://www.cordlessimpactdriverreviews.com/images/18v%20Impact%20Driver.jpg
[00:15:16] <roycroft> yes
[00:15:23] <tjb1> They are awesommmee
[00:15:27] <roycroft> indeed, they are
[00:15:35] <tjb1> Except the price of batteries
[00:16:35] <Tom_itx> i don't think this pc will work, i'm getting blinking leds on the kbd now
[00:16:42] <Tom_itx> live cd install
[00:18:06] <Tom_itx> athlon 64 3200
[00:18:17] <Tom_itx> anyone try one of those?
[00:19:05] <andypugh> How many cores?
[00:19:42] <Tom_itx> one i think
[00:19:50] <Tom_itx> it's an older pc
[00:21:01] <Tom_itx> boots windows fine
[00:21:13] <Tom_itx> it's been sitting here for a while so i thought i'd try it
[00:21:34] <kb8wmc> I updated my brother's computer on his router table and am getting an error on LinuxCNC startup as follow: Can not find -sec MOT -var MOT -num 1
[00:21:50] <Tom_itx> this hangs on the initial install
[00:22:03] * roycroft is still struggling to get a good working computer for his linuxcnc production install
[00:22:09] <kb8wmc> Can not fine -sec IO -var IO -num 1
[00:22:32] <roycroft> someone here recommended an inexpensive (~US$80?) logic board that is known to work well
[00:22:43] <Tom_itx> atom
[00:22:45] <Tom_itx> i have one
[00:22:50] <roycroft> this new rack i got today to house things is fairly shallow
[00:22:56] <kb8wmc> Can not find -sec LINUXCNC -var NML_FILE -num1
[00:23:00] <roycroft> the 1u machine i've been working with is too deep for it
[00:23:11] <roycroft> so it may be time to buy that other board and a shallow rack enclosure
[00:23:30] <kb8wmc> Can not find EMC -var NML_FILE -num1
[00:24:09] <kb8wmc> any ideas what to do to fix the errors
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[00:31:18] <andypugh> kb8wmc: Ignore them
[00:31:47] <eric_unterhausen> I remember someone mentioning a stepper drive on the email list, but I can't find it.
[00:31:51] <eric_unterhausen> Leadwill?
[00:32:00] <andypugh> Either they don't matter, or they are not the underlying problem
[00:32:23] <andypugh> eric_unterhausen: Leadshine>
[00:32:29] <eric_unterhausen> thanks
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[00:34:18] <Tom_afk> i was wrong, it's an athlon 64 3700 with little ram
[00:35:09] <Tom_afk> is 512M enough?
[00:35:19] <andypugh> Count the cores?
[00:35:23] <eric_unterhausen> the other day my boss asked me what it meant in our paper when it said N-m
[00:35:25] <Tom_afk> oe
[00:35:26] <Tom_afk> one
[00:35:40] <andypugh> 512 ought to be enough.
[00:36:00] <Tom_afk> it hangs on the install
[00:36:04] <Jymmm> I wonder how it determines the length? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Hr3BLKKsw
[00:36:05] <Tom_afk> gets all sorts of errors
[00:36:14] <Tom_afk> runs windows fine
[00:36:18] <Tom_afk> i'm on it currently
[00:36:18] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Did you count it twice to be sure?
[00:36:36] <eric_unterhausen> he also asked what the parenthetical (lbf-in) meant
[00:36:39] <Tom_afk> looking at cpu-z right now
[00:36:53] <eric_unterhausen> Tom_afk, what kind of errors?
[00:37:53] <Tom_afk> lots of io errors
[00:38:00] <Tom_afk> look like some disk sector errors
[00:38:07] <Tom_afk> but it never gets to the hdd
[00:38:08] <eric_unterhausen> io is usually disk
[00:38:43] <Tom_afk> lemme try it again
[00:38:50] <eric_unterhausen> I used to have a usb drive that had the smart diagnostics installed so that I could test all the windows computers that seemed to have disk problems
[00:38:53] <Tom_afk> i'll remove all the hdd jumpers on the back this time
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[00:39:00] <eric_unterhausen> windows will just slow down and not tell you about them
[00:39:18] <Tom_itx> i'll try that first and see
[00:40:21] <eric_unterhausen> unfortunately that usb drive died when I threw my keys in a fit of annoyance
[00:40:24] <andypugh> Jymmm: "We couldn't be bothered to find a ful set of washers of the same size, but our machine is cheap and works for at least several minutes"
[00:40:44] <kb8wmc> andypugh: thanks for the suggested option.....brother won't be too happy though
[00:40:53] <Jymmm> andypugh: heh, where did you see that?
[00:43:18] <eric_unterhausen> at 2:15 it has an error
[00:44:06] <andypugh> Jymmm: Near the cutting blade. I notice these things. I _really_ notice missing bolts. I will be walking down the street thinking about other things and get a sudden "missing bolt alert" and spend a while working out where I saw it, and if it matters. Honda motorcycles are the main problem, they tend to share parts and simply not use lugs and flanges.
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[00:45:05] <andypugh> Jymmm: 00:18
[00:45:16] <Jymmm> andypugh: LOL. I wasn't sure if the rotation of the yellow drum was actually the "counter"
[00:50:58] <archivist> er tube out sensor on one slot only!
[00:51:18] <Jymmm> I dont see anythng at 0:18.
[00:52:00] <archivist> washers are different
[00:52:11] <andypugh> The guy making the video didnt either.
[00:52:21] <Jymmm> I'm sorta kinda thinking the rottion of the yellow drum jsut turns till it's fed the desired length
[00:52:28] <archivist> shakycam
[00:52:34] <roycroft> i notice not only missing bolts, but mismatched bolts
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[00:52:42] * roycroft can be quite anal retentive
[00:53:14] <skunkworks__> eric_unterhausen: a lot of times - windows will give you diagnostics in the event viewer if it is having write/read problems
[00:53:20] <Jymmm> focus people focus! We're tyring to figure out how it measures =)
[00:53:20] <roycroft> and not always in a good way
[00:53:43] <archivist> Jymmm, its so obvious how it measures
[00:53:47] <Jymmm> I wish I could see under that drum
[00:54:16] <Jymmm> archivist: Ok Mr Smarty Pants, lets hear it =)
[00:54:19] <archivist> a stepper and circumference
[00:54:27] <Jymmm> archivist: That's what I was saing
[00:54:40] <Jymmm> saying
[00:54:59] <Jymmm> But, if the drum gets dirty, it's going to slip some
[00:55:10] <andypugh> And?
[00:55:17] <Jymmm> and shorter pieces
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[00:56:00] <andypugh> There is no need to worry about cumulative error, as long as each bit of tube is close enough, it's fine.
[00:57:12] <Jymmm> Well, too long is no biggy
[00:57:15] <archivist> you can be extra anal and put an idler roller underneath with an encoder to measure the length
[00:57:43] <archivist> and then worry about tube driving the idler slip
[00:57:48] <Jymmm> not so much the idler, just whatever that yelow stuff is
[00:58:06] <Jymmm> (looks like tool dip =)
[00:59:28] <Tom_itx> buffer IO error on device sr0
[00:59:45] <Jymmm> Hmmm, it's about 1/4" thick
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[01:03:26] <andypugh> Independent rollers for each channel would seem to be a better idea.
[01:04:19] <Jymmm> andypugh: why?
[01:04:34] <andypugh> But it probably sells for a price we wouldn't necessarily bother getting out of bed for.
[01:05:08] <andypugh> Jymmm: Ovality/orientation?
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[01:06:37] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/22x30-CNC-mill-router-kits-industrial-grade-engraver-/260696689900?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb2bbccec
[01:07:04] <Tom_itx> what is device sr0?
[01:07:27] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/JLW-T1-CNC-router-engraving-mill-PCB-milling-machine-/250563893613?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a56c5996d
[01:07:40] <Jymmm> that last one might be great for PCB
[01:08:35] <andypugh> The second one is at least an unusual design. A bit deckel.
[01:09:00] <Tom_itx> sr0 isn't the hdd is it?
[01:09:24] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Solder-paste-glue-liquid-auto-dispenser-for-SMD-PCB-/270498029867?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3efaf0612b
[01:09:47] <Tom_itx> it didn't like pri master hdd, sec master cd
[01:10:01] <Tom_itx> so i rewired it pri master hdd, pri slave cd
[01:10:03] <Tom_itx> same error
[01:11:03] <Jymmm> WHAT didn't like it? mobo or linux? Verify setting in BIOS ?
[01:11:31] <Tom_itx> linux
[01:11:35] <Tom_itx> i did check bios
[01:11:44] <andypugh> Night all
[01:11:49] <Tom_itx> it started ubuntu in terminal mode
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[01:11:55] <Tom_itx> nothing else loaded
[01:15:40] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3pc-1000-line-rev-IP54-6krpm-quadrature-optical-encoder-/280647960133?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4157ec0645
[01:20:11] * Tom_itx grabs another hdd
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[01:22:14] <Jymmm> $1400 USD and no yellow drum http://www.ebay.com/itm/Auto-Heat-shrink-tube-cable-pipe-Cutting-Machine-USG-/290513110259?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a3ee44f3
[01:23:40] <Tom_itx> what is device sr0??
[01:25:27] <Jymmm> http://bit.ly/NuaNim
[01:28:28] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Are you using CD-RW discs?
[01:28:37] <Jymmm> or CD-R's
[01:28:57] <Tom_itx> r
[01:29:10] <Tom_itx> it worked on the atom fine
[01:29:32] <Jymmm> Well, Either 1) replace the ODD, or 2) LiveUSB
[01:31:51] <Tom_itx> no USB boot on that pc
[01:31:58] <Tom_itx> unless other removable is USB
[01:32:13] <Tom_itx> too old a pc
[01:33:00] <Jymmm> if it's that old, toss it.
[01:33:06] <tjb1> mail it to me
[01:33:07] <tjb1> :D
[01:33:16] <tjb1> Ill use the case
[01:33:49] <Tom_itx> no to both
[01:33:52] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Hell, I'll GIVE you a serve mobo if you pay shipping.
[01:34:17] <Tom_itx> Jymmm this pc was just sitting here so i thought i'd try it
[01:34:27] <tjb1> Well if you ever give up on it let me know :)
[01:34:31] <Jymmm> try to chuck it in the trash
[01:34:33] <tjb1> Ill buy it
[01:35:42] <Tom_itx> so i shouldn't try my 8088 mb?
[01:36:12] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Try it encapsulated in acrylic resin
[01:36:43] <Tom_itx> there's a company here that would do that
[01:36:55] <Tom_itx> they encapsulate dandelions and the like
[01:37:05] <Tom_itx> no clue how they do it
[01:37:25] <Jymmm> it's an easy two step process
[01:37:47] <Tom_itx> with no deformation of the weed?
[01:38:46] <Jymmm> you do a first pour, let it set a bit, insert whatever, then do a secound pour
[01:39:37] <Tom_itx> just pouring it would deform the seed pod
[01:39:52] <Tom_itx> very fragile
[01:40:40] <Jymmm> no, the first pour isn't solid, you insert the flower and it'll stand on it's own. then you gently pout in more slowly.
[01:41:03] <Jymmm> it's water like, so will fill the gaps
[01:41:12] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2L4OxW2gKc&feature=player_embedded#!
[01:41:18] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: watch that
[01:41:21] <Tom_itx> the seeds would detach and float to the top
[01:41:49] <Jymmm> its not water
[01:41:59] <Jymmm> they are more durable than that
[01:44:40] <Tom_itx> i can see coins etc but a dandelion that has gone to seed?
[01:45:20] <Jymmm> Is they were as fragile as you make them out to be, they would never be able to pick them from the field attached.
[01:45:25] <Tom_itx> they had quite a display of things they encapsulated
[01:46:24] <Tom_itx> they looked too perfect
[01:46:36] <Jymmm> dandylions are pretty durable f you get them early in the season and not pick them at the end of summer.
[01:48:11] <Jymmm> how much do they charge for an encapsulated dandylion? $30?
[01:48:25] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[01:48:26] <Jymmm> the resin is not cheap
[01:48:38] <Tom_itx> i did some work for them and got a tour of the place
[01:48:44] <Jymmm> ah
[01:48:54] <Tom_itx> they did all sorts of things
[01:49:14] <Jymmm> probably bought in 55gal drums
[01:49:18] <Tom_itx> globes, beer taps, plaques all kinds of stuff
[01:49:25] <Tom_itx> i'm sure
[01:49:53] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: do you have the name/city of the place?
[01:50:13] <Tom_itx> i forget the name, it was something like century products maybe
[01:50:15] <Tom_itx> wichita
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[01:50:26] <Tom_itx> it's been too long ago
[01:50:33] <tjb1> Oh yeah.
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[01:51:13] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: found em, thanks
[01:51:18] <Jymmm> http://www.centurymfg.com/
[01:51:30] <Tom_itx> yeah
[01:52:23] <ReadError> http://ridiculousfish.com/shell/
[01:52:28] <ReadError> pretty awesome shell :)
[01:57:35] <alex4nder> ReadError: how's it?
[01:57:53] <ReadError> pretty gooood
[01:57:58] <ReadError> g10 cuts nicely
[01:58:16] <alex4nder> you doing it for your copter project?
[01:58:49] <ReadError> well this is actually for a microheli
[01:59:07] <alex4nder> but the same copter you were working on before right?
[01:59:10] <ReadError> http://p.twimg.com/AvZhxOOCEAM0Odx.jpg:large
[01:59:22] <alex4nder> werd
[02:02:05] <ReadError> 1st time i used a tiny endmill
[02:02:08] <ReadError> 0.020"
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[02:21:20] <Tom_itx> i'll try another cd
[02:21:23] <Tom_itx> 2 drives failed
[02:21:44] <Tom_itx> burning it slow
[02:23:19] <ReadError> usb?
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[02:39:13] <r00t4rd3d> just bought a dewalt dwp611
[02:39:37] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.dewalt.com/tools/woodworking-routers-dwp611.aspx
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[03:05:43] <uw> whoa LEDs
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[03:32:35] <r00t4rd3d> where is a good source for a 1/4 to 1/8 collet adapter?
[03:33:12] <Tom_itx> a lathe
[03:34:51] <jdhNC> check the router mfg to see if they sell a 1/8" collet
[03:36:03] <r00t4rd3d> i dont believe they do
[03:42:50] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Die-Grinder-Router-1-4-to-1-8-Adapter-Chuck-Collet-/180693282053?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1228ad05
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[03:58:57] <uw> pyCam folks, any idea for how to optimize the tool path? it created one alright, but it's doing things in a pretty silly manner (to me the human anyway).
[04:01:15] <Tom_itx> you can't order the tool path?
[04:01:38] <Tom_itx> did it follow how you created the elements?
[04:02:17] <Tom_itx> i don't know pyCam but you should be able to order the path somehow
[04:04:05] <Connor> jdhNC: You around?
[04:07:21] <jdhNC> yep
[04:07:32] <Connor> chk pvt msg :)
[04:08:37] <uw> Tom_itx, well, there's a "reverse" button? pretty much takes every path and reverses it
[04:11:29] <Tom_itx> uw, you can't group them somehow and order the path by the group selection order?
[04:11:39] <Tom_itx> my cad cam allows that
[04:13:50] <uw> Tom_itx, just curious, can you tell me what program you are using to generate your gcode?
[04:13:55] <uw> i am rather new to this
[04:19:11] <Tom_itx> smartcam
[04:19:15] <Tom_itx> it's a pro package
[04:19:49] <Tom_itx> does pyCam run in linux or windows?
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[04:21:29] <uw> Tom_itx, thanks looks pretty good
[04:21:42] <Tom_itx> ?
[04:21:48] <Tom_itx> what did you do?
[04:22:23] <uw> pyCam runs in linux. It doesnt look like smartcam makes a linux variant
[04:22:31] <Tom_itx> no
[04:22:35] <Tom_itx> and it's not cheap
[04:22:50] <uw> i just googled smartcam, thats all.
[04:22:57] <uw> how much does it cost?
[04:23:03] <Tom_itx> mastercam is also another one
[04:23:15] <Tom_itx> it was ~8k when i got it
[04:23:29] <uw> holy moly i thought you were going to say $500 or something
[04:23:47] <uw> jesus that better have came with a set of hookers lol
[04:24:11] <uw> i just want to make a "#1 Dad" plaque for fathers day
[04:24:20] <Tom_itx> the guy i was programming for at the time replaced it with a seat of catia for $75k
[04:24:24] <uw> 8k is a little out of budget for me
[04:25:11] <uw> ouch at that rate, it's probably a pretty custom piece of 1 or 2 off software
[04:25:16] <Tom_itx> look at sheetcam?
[04:25:21] <Tom_itx> i think it's called
[04:26:49] <uw> hmm sheet cam also has a linux variant
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[04:27:40] <uw> maybe ill give this a try
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[04:28:43] <uw> but maybe i can learn something here; so what more do you get from a $8k CAM software say over whatever sheetcam costs?
[04:29:49] <Tom_itx> it's a full blown 3d package
[04:30:18] <Tom_itx> allows you to define post for various machines
[04:30:22] <Tom_itx> lots more
[04:30:31] <uw> so say for a 6axis robot arm machine?
[04:30:52] <Tom_itx> it's for cutting parts
[04:30:58] <Tom_itx> not robotics control
[04:31:33] <Tom_itx> i don't know how they have progressed since i got it but it didn't do that at the time
[04:31:35] <uw> well yes, but one of those robotic arm cutting machines
[04:31:56] <Tom_itx> i'm sure some does it now
[04:32:22] <Tom_itx> you can do all sorts of surfaces etc
[04:32:40] <Tom_itx> where you are limited with 2.5 axis cad cam software
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[04:35:23] <r00t4rd3d> send me a copy of smartcam plz
[04:36:19] <uw> r00t4rd3d, it only works in windows though
[04:36:27] <jdhNC> r00t: http://www.ebay.com/itm/170849511325
[04:36:54] <Tom_itx> http://www.mastercam.com/
[04:37:46] <r00t4rd3d> nice
[04:38:15] <r00t4rd3d> http://thepiratebay.se/search/mastercam/0/7/0
[04:38:42] <uw> are you suggesting people pirate r00t4rd3d?
[04:41:03] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[04:42:03] <r00t4rd3d> wanna borrow my eye patch and wooden leg?
[04:42:32] <r00t4rd3d> polly stays with me though
[04:42:52] <Tom_itx> http://www.surfcam.com/
[04:43:29] <Tom_itx> solidworks has addins for cam as well
[04:50:44] <jdhNC> and it's cheap too.
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[05:22:51] <Jymmm> jdhNC: what is cheap?
[05:23:49] <jdhNC> sarcasm is cheap
[05:24:45] <Jymmm> those collects aren't
[05:24:50] <Jymmm> collets
[05:25:07] <jdhNC> cheaper than solidworks.
[05:25:08] <Jymmm> AND... it needs one more slot in it
[05:25:30] <Jymmm> jdhNC: r00t4rd3d said he'll let you borrow his eye patch
[05:26:14] <jdhNC> I have one.
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[05:46:11] <tjb1> anyone use wordpress
[05:58:55] <mazafaka> Some use
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[06:02:20] <Jymmm> only if you like your shit hacked do you use wordpress
[06:08:33] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I like this... Just SHOOT the tube on the peg =) LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atQ-HMMo2-A&feature=related
[06:09:38] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I do like the control panel at 2:44 though
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[06:21:15] <tjb1> Hacked?
[06:23:09] <Jymmm> Do you not know what "hacked" means?
[06:23:24] <tjb1> Yes...
[06:23:32] <Jymmm> then what was your question?
[06:23:35] <tjb1> Not sure how it being wordpress means it would be hacked more than any other thing
[06:23:49] <Jymmm> then google it
[06:24:10] <tjb1> a lot of stuff gets hacked...
[06:24:23] <tjb1> internet security companies get hacked...
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[07:38:15] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[07:42:53] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[09:42:35] <Helios> I got to touch my very fist CNC machine today
[09:42:43] <Helios> It was at the bagpipes factory in Glasgow
[09:43:16] <Loetmichel> re ... soo, nun is das VMware player Update auch drauf... (reboot-orige...)
[09:43:16] <Helios> There was a transparent screen and two hoses drenching this delrin rod with cooland as this spindle whizzed it down into a bagpipes blow hole.
[09:43:27] <Helios> They gave me a load of delrin offcut
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[10:13:04] <Helios> Here's all my delrin offcut: http://i.imgur.com/XSd3L.jpg
[10:14:02] <Loetmichel> Helios: looks like a nice firerstarter ;-)
[10:14:43] <Helios> Its in the oven at 100 degrees
[10:14:49] <Helios> I'm evaporating off the coolant
[10:14:54] <Helios> Its drenched in that shit
[10:15:12] <Jymmm> I hope you washed it off
[10:15:12] <Helios> I want to slowly crank it up to 175ºc to the point it melts then pour it into my gear mold
[10:15:16] <Loetmichel> thats why i mill delrin dry
[10:15:27] <Helios> That coolant is flammable?
[10:15:38] <Helios> What temperature is autoignition of most CNC coolants?
[10:15:40] <Jymmm> contaminant
[10:15:50] <Helios> You think give it a good rinse?
[10:16:04] <Helios> under the tap?
[10:16:13] <Jymmm> soak in a tub
[10:17:07] <Jymmm> stir frequently, maybe toss in a *TOUCH* or liquid soap, dump, rinse in clean water
[10:17:27] <Jymmm> how many bags did you get?
[10:19:27] <Jymmm> If you only got the one bag, you might just make your own machinable wax with it. Else I wouldn't even bother.
[10:19:47] <Helios> ok ive taken it out of the oven and I rinsed it the water went a cloudy blue colour
[10:19:50] <Helios> i rinsed about 10x
[10:19:51] <Helios> its clear
[10:19:56] <Jymmm> delrin is not THAT expensive.
[10:19:58] <Helios> I shook as much of the water off the delrin offcut as possible
[10:20:26] <Helios> I've set the oven onto 120ºc to start off with and I will slowly increase the temp
[10:20:40] <Jymmm> toss it into a net bag and spin it in the washer to drain, like a giant salad spinner
[10:20:46] <Helios> If it starts to stink really bad I'll throw the whole stainless bowl out the window like I did with the PVC
[10:21:15] <Helios> 1 massive bag of delrin
[10:21:30] <Helios> and some crap bagpipes blowers that the machine fucked up
[10:21:38] <Helios> I noticed something, those CNC machines are not perfect
[10:24:27] <Jymmm> Helios: Wait, you are doing this in the HOUSE?!
[10:25:29] <Jymmm> Helios: you know some do contain formaldehyde, right?
[10:25:53] <Jymmm> embalming fluid?
[10:26:04] <Helios> yes
[10:26:15] <Helios> It won't smell as bad as the molten PVC I tried
[10:26:20] <Helios> That was fucking disgusting
[10:26:28] <Helios> It was soooo bad I HAD to throw it out the window
[10:26:32] <Helios> the whole stainless bowl
[10:26:51] <Helios> Sorry Jymm, but some of us are not lucky enough to have jobs where we can do this sort of stuff at.
[10:26:54] <Loetmichel> jym: IIRC delrin is smell-free if not heated over the decomposition point
[10:27:16] <Loetmichel> just that the melting point and decomposition pint are awfully close thogehter
[10:27:18] <Jymmm> This has nothing to do with SCENT
[10:27:27] <Helios> Loetmichel, if I crank the oven up to 180ºc now will I be able to pour delrin like honey or water?
[10:27:59] <Loetmichel> Helios: dont know the temperatures, but you CAN get delrin thin as water without it decompositing
[10:28:13] <Helios> Loetmichel, thank you very much
[10:28:34] <Loetmichel> as in: "without any harmful substances evaporating"
[10:28:57] <Jymmm> bullshit
[10:29:22] <Helios> That's ok, I airlock out my kitchen and I hold my breath before I go in, when doing this shit I NEVER breathe in I do 30 seconds of work with my shirt over my nose then go out and breathe when my head is out of the window the other side of the flat
[10:29:26] <Loetmichel> but like i said: IIRC the points of melting and decomposition are very close, few °c
[10:30:05] <Helios> So gently increase the temperature
[10:30:22] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: hmmm, tell that to the plastics company i had visited.
[10:30:31] <Loetmichel> they extruded delrin
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[10:30:31] <Jymmm> You've never heard of molecular particals?
[10:30:51] <Jymmm> or vaporization?
[10:31:13] <Loetmichel> and there was NO smell nor were you forced to wear a mask
[10:31:28] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Most have proper ventilation systems
[10:31:40] <Loetmichel> and in germany you WOULD be if the evaporations would be harmful
[10:31:51] <Loetmichel> even with good ventilation
[10:32:06] <mazafaka> Loetmichel: hello, I have bought myself this: http://s2.images.drive2.ru/car.photos/x8/3860/000/000/08b/29e/48cf178e8aee40fd-large.jpg :)
[10:32:20] <Loetmichel> mazafaka: so?
[10:32:57] <mazafaka> So, when I will have won this rust: http://s2.images.drive2.ru/car.photos/x8/0400/000/000/4f0/382/48cf16bf49187f9d-large.jpg I will travel like you used to
[10:34:39] <Loetmichel> nice idea, i hope you enjoy it
[10:44:14] <mazafaka> well, yeah. Already have bought a hi-lift jack, and electric air pump (160 litres per minute)/ Plan to mount the air pump under the hood, and all the ropes
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[11:23:02] <Helios> Here's an update: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc-z7b5len0
[11:26:04] <Loetmichel> Helios: you should clean the camera lens ;-)
[11:26:30] <Loetmichel> and formaldehyde= to hot!
[11:27:18] <Helios> So its burning?
[11:27:22] <Helios> Throw it out?
[11:27:29] <Loetmichel> no, not burnung
[11:27:43] <Loetmichel> just partly decompositing
[11:27:53] <Helios> So I won't be able to pour it?
[11:27:58] <Loetmichel> could be that your gear will be a bit less strong than you wish
[11:28:34] <Helios> I wish I had something like a bain marie that could do 175 degrees c
[11:28:44] <Helios> Water only goes up to 100
[11:28:49] <Loetmichel> whats a bain maire?
[11:29:17] <Helios> for wax melting I could melt the wax in seconds with a boiling pan of water then floating the stainless bowl full of wax afloat on the boiling water
[11:29:54] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: double boiler
[11:30:13] <Jymmm> or water bath
[11:30:36] <Loetmichel> ah...
[11:30:37] <Jymmm> and water CAN get hotter than 100C/212F
[11:30:46] <Helios> 175? doubtful
[11:30:47] <Loetmichel> so geht a pan full of good vegetable oil
[11:30:54] <Helios> vegetable oil?
[11:31:03] <Loetmichel> instead of water
[11:31:11] <Loetmichel> will boil at above 200°c
[11:31:11] <Helios> What temp does veg oil start to burn?
[11:31:12] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[11:31:17] <Loetmichel> later
[11:31:18] <Loetmichel> ;-)
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[11:31:54] <Loetmichel> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080827171004AAvSKLz
[11:32:52] <Helios> So sunflower or canola oil will be fine
[11:33:01] <Helios> Do you think this will be better than the oven?
[11:33:08] <Loetmichel> dont know
[11:33:22] <Loetmichel> is the oven electric or gas?
[11:33:33] <Helios> electric
[11:33:41] <Loetmichel> and is it with recirculating fan?
[11:33:44] <Helios> no
[11:33:47] <Helios> just windows open
[11:33:54] <Helios> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc-z7b5len0
[11:33:59] <Loetmichel> "hot air" oven i mean
[11:34:01] <Helios> this is what's actually happening
[11:34:27] <Loetmichel> do you have a precise thermomenter?
[11:34:31] <Helios> no
[11:34:31] <Loetmichel> for inside the oven?
[11:34:33] <Helios> no
[11:34:37] <Loetmichel> hmm, thats bad
[11:34:40] <Helios> the local shop doesn't sell those
[11:35:06] <Loetmichel> maybe a electronicans miltimeter with an attached thermocouple?
[11:35:06] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/XxUJr.jpg
[11:35:21] <Loetmichel> like the 20 eur thingys they sell over here in germany?
[11:35:56] <Helios> Loetmichel, I don't know what those are I'm sorry
[11:36:52] <Loetmichel> http://www.reichelt.de/Multimeter-digital/PEAKTECH-1070/3//index.html?ACTION=3&GROUPID=4058&ARTICLE=67138&SHOW=1&START=0&OFFSET=16&
[11:37:23] <Loetmichel> they come with a thermocouple over here which is surprisingly accurate
[11:37:34] <Helios> Oh I got a multimeter
[11:37:39] <Helios> A thermocouple I don't got
[11:37:44] <Helios> haven't got
[11:38:08] <Helios> It doesn't have a ºc function tho
[11:38:13] <Helios> only volts, capacitance, resistance
[11:38:21] <Helios> ac dc fucntion only
[11:38:28] <Loetmichel> your problem is to geht the plastics to an even and more or less precise temperature
[11:39:03] <Loetmichel> so if you would have a good thermomenter that would help a lot
[11:39:56] <Helios> yes
[11:40:34] * Loetmichel would use an old hydraulic cylinder, put the swarf in, and build a makeshift injection moulder around it.
[11:41:00] <Helios> Loetmichel, won't work for zero shrinkage molds because the molds are flexible
[11:41:15] <Loetmichel> thats a problem
[11:41:22] <Helios> You apply pressure beyond the material's own eightthe mold will solidfiy not in its original shape
[11:41:26] <Loetmichel> so you would get a double size gear ;-)
[11:41:30] <Helios> Wax, soap, chocolate gears have all been made
[11:41:40] <Helios> The soap was teh strongest until it came into contacft with water
[11:41:44] <Helios> the chocolate one got eaten
[11:41:49] <Helios> the wax one became a candle
[11:41:50] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[11:41:59] <Loetmichel> maybe change from delrin to som resin?
[11:42:12] <Loetmichel> ans simply cast it ?
[11:42:20] <Helios> resin's expensive
[11:42:25] <Loetmichel> not really
[11:42:25] <Helios> I wanted to take advantage of recycling
[11:43:02] <Loetmichel> i pay for my beloved urethane resin (sika bi resin g27) about 20 eur the kg
[11:43:23] <Helios> urethane gears any good?
[11:44:03] <jthornton> Loetmichel, what is the hardness of the g27?
[11:44:04] <Loetmichel> depends
[11:44:43] <jthornton> is it similar to any of these http://www.mcmaster.com/#urethane-casting-compounds/=hz1eyg
[11:47:46] <Loetmichel> not as sturdy as delrin, but sufficient for my applications
[11:48:29] <Loetmichel> jthornton: dont know...
[11:48:39] <jthornton> ok, thanks for looking
[11:49:37] <Loetmichel> http://deaddconst01.webdms.sika.com/fileshow.do?documentID=3294
[11:50:15] <Loetmichel> does that help?
[11:50:29] <jthornton> yes, thank you
[11:50:48] <Loetmichel> be careful with that stuff...
[11:50:54] <Loetmichel> it harenes in minutes
[11:50:58] <Loetmichel> and gets HOT
[11:51:26] <Helios> So its an exothermic reaction?
[11:51:33] <Loetmichel> i had a part only 3" thick flying in shrapnells throu the shop
[11:51:34] <jthornton> ok, it is Shore D 70, that is the main thing I was wondering about
[11:52:48] <Loetmichel> i didnt get shore the first time... isnt that vor elastics?
[11:53:02] <jthornton> hardness of the material
[11:53:04] <Loetmichel> whay are hard plastics measured in shore?
[11:53:25] <jthornton> I have no idea
[11:54:04] <Loetmichel> anyone knows the shore of delrin?
[11:56:50] <Helios> delrin is pretty touch
[11:56:57] <Helios> they make safety buckles out of it
[11:57:38] <Loetmichel> btw: this system is also aviable with a filler of aluminium flakes
[11:57:50] <Helios> why?
[11:57:53] <Helios> better strength?
[11:57:54] <Loetmichel> whcih makes it astonishingly hard and sturdy
[11:58:12] <Loetmichel> yes
[11:58:16] <jthornton> mcmaster calls the aluminum filled PU as machinable PU
[11:58:41] <Loetmichel> *SHIT* i shouldn answer the phone on saturdays...
[11:59:02] <Loetmichel> <- has to go the company, boss has a problem in the measurement chamber :-(
[11:59:09] * jthornton has to go prep the bike for todays benefit ride for the animal shelter
[11:59:14] <jthornton> be back this evening
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[12:32:11] <Helios> Still no sign of melting
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[12:50:59] <JT-Shop> yea mcmaster carr has dowel nuts
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[12:54:51] <sendoushi> waazzuuuuppp
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[13:10:17] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[13:24:15] <Helios> Here's the end result of melting delrin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22qfjcDXYbg
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[13:32:11] <Loetmichel> Helios: looks not really appealing
[13:32:51] <Loetmichel> i am happy there is no "odor over IP" protocol :)
[13:33:49] <Helios> bad smell
[13:33:55] <Helios> not quite as bad as PVC
[13:33:58] <Helios> but worse than ABS
[13:34:09] <Helios> My yard outdoors is full of partially melted plastic now
[13:34:27] <Helios> Oh and one bowl has some ABS tiles stuck to the bottom of it and there is no way of getting it off
[13:34:41] <cpresser> beware of melting PVC, that is quite poisonous
[13:34:52] <syyl> and it lets rust everything!
[13:35:20] <cpresser> other polymers might also be toxic; but ask someone else, i am no chemist
[13:35:27] <Loetmichel> is it poisonus or just HCl?
[13:35:28] <syyl> because of the hydrochloric acid fumes that are released...
[13:35:34] <Loetmichel> pvc
[13:35:41] <Helios> Probably why the PVC whiff made me violently sick
[13:36:03] <Helios> I don't feel this way with the formaldehyde fumes, probably because I smoke enough of them in my cigarettes anyway and my body knows how to deal with it
[13:36:09] <Loetmichel> hcl isnt poisonus
[13:36:16] <Loetmichel> just acidic ;-)
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[13:36:38] <Loetmichel> Helios: thats a pos i would assime
[13:36:41] <Loetmichel> assume
[13:37:04] <Loetmichel> but formaldehyde is a lot nastier than HCl
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[13:37:38] <Helios> good thing I held my breath when going in
[13:37:46] <syyl> thats all stuff you dont want to have in your lung ;)
[13:37:54] <Helios> syyl you're right
[13:37:57] <Loetmichel> Helios: you look like someone i may have beaten some decades ago on my navy visit to dundee..
[13:38:00] <Helios> I've had it trying to melt these plastic
[13:38:01] <Helios> s
[13:38:05] <Loetmichel> you dont happen to live there?
[13:38:21] <Helios> I used to
[13:38:27] <Helios> Nearer Glasgow now
[13:38:32] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[13:38:53] <Loetmichel> than maybe our fists have met som 20 years ago ;-)
[13:39:36] <Loetmichel> in a pub in the harbor of dundee ;-)
[13:40:25] <Loetmichel> or maybe that was your older brother or something ;-)
[13:42:09] <Helios> nah I was only in dundee in 08
[13:43:15] <Loetmichel> strange. the face looked familliar
[13:44:53] <Loetmichel> (was there with the german navvy... heard of som incident where a german navy crew dismantled a pub incl. inhabitants after one of them got beaten up by some dundee residents in that pub a day before?)
[13:47:00] <Helios> No I lived there for a day with my gf and her flatmates took a disliking to me so we split up and I lived on the street for a number of years until I eventually got rehoused in 2011
[13:49:24] <skunkworks__> pcw_home: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/linuxcnc_formerly_emc2/156194-linuxcnc_right_me.html
[13:55:40] <r00t4rd3d> https://www.probotix.com/image/BC_tool_holder.jpg
[13:55:59] <r00t4rd3d> someone wanna cut me that for less then $80.45
[13:56:25] <syyl> with the philips head screw it just looks like crap :D
[13:56:30] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[13:56:51] <r00t4rd3d> if i buy it, it will get a chrome allen head
[13:57:00] <syyl> blackened allen head
[13:57:01] <syyl> :D
[13:57:20] <r00t4rd3d> those rust
[13:57:23] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: it will be chaper if made from 2 parts
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[13:57:30] <Loetmichel> less schrap
[13:57:36] <r00t4rd3d> Loetmichel, it is
[13:57:58] <Loetmichel> then the $80 are a ripoff
[13:58:13] <Loetmichel> assuming the holder has 43mm diamaeter
[13:58:22] <syyl> i would charge 80 bucks too
[13:58:26] <r00t4rd3d> you can see the threaded bolt holes in the hole
[13:58:32] <syyl> when made to close tolerances
[13:58:42] <syyl> and with a countersunk allen head screw..
[13:58:46] <syyl> :D
[13:58:46] <Helios> Mixed news, I rescued the delrin I thew out the window http://i.imgur.com/2q8ct.jpg
[13:58:52] <Helios> It does actually melt into shape
[13:59:05] <syyl> more like "burn into shape" ;)
[13:59:29] <Helios> IDK the bottom of that is pretty solid
[13:59:30] <Loetmichel> Helios: i still think it was much to hot
[13:59:36] <Loetmichel> to generate the fumes
[13:59:51] <Helios> Loetmichel, what happens if I try again on the hob with the boiling oil bath method?
[14:00:02] <Loetmichel> i have molten delrin myself sometime
[14:00:11] <Loetmichel> with a heatgun
[14:00:12] <syyl> i bet you wont get a good result by just melting and casting it..
[14:00:26] <syyl> that stuff wants to be pushed
[14:00:28] <Loetmichel> and it will melt just fine without much fumes if the temperature is right
[14:00:39] <r00t4rd3d> its either the 80 dollar probotix mount or this 33 dollar one:
[14:00:40] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-ROUTER-MOUNT-2-dia-/160362324392?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_210&hash=item255656e1a8
[14:00:57] <syyl> uhm
[14:00:57] <r00t4rd3d> looks like it was made on a 3d printer
[14:01:07] <syyl> or with a jigsaw
[14:01:38] <syyl> the 34 bucks for it are a waste, if you ask me :D
[14:01:38] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: why not mount the router on the machine temporaily with some screws and wire and try to mill yourself one from delrin/wood?
[14:02:17] <Loetmichel> syyl: i think so, too
[14:02:27] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: whcih country, again?
[14:02:30] <r00t4rd3d> usa
[14:02:36] <r00t4rd3d> jew york
[14:02:40] <r00t4rd3d> new*
[14:02:40] <Loetmichel> i just happened to get some 40mm thick delrin ;-)
[14:02:49] <syyl> ask somebody to machine you one from a hunk of stock aluminum
[14:02:58] <r00t4rd3d> i did
[14:03:02] <r00t4rd3d> so far no takers
[14:03:23] <syyl> a good machinist will knock it of in a short time
[14:03:23] <Loetmichel> ok, that would be unsatisfying high shipping costs from germany
[14:03:40] <r00t4rd3d> i will probably just make one
[14:03:50] <r00t4rd3d> out of wood
[14:04:26] <r00t4rd3d> i made one this morning out of azek
[14:05:29] <r00t4rd3d> but its only 3/4 inches thick
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[14:27:24] <jdhNC> I have the $33 on my mostly plastic router
[14:27:50] <Tom_itx> does it machine mostly plastic?
[14:27:54] <jdhNC> yep
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[14:29:28] <jdhNC> same guy made the router frame. It actually works pretty well for what it is and the price.
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[15:03:42] <Loetmichel> i've mande mine myself...
[15:03:45] <Loetmichel> made
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[15:04:39] <Loetmichel> ... *AAHHHH* server down AGAIN....
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[15:10:07] <Loetmichel> ah, back online again
[15:10:08] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12518
[15:10:12] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12524
[15:10:16] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12527
[15:10:22] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12530
[15:10:49] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12590
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[15:11:36] <Loetmichel> hat to make it myself because the SC spindle has no std 43mm neck to mount on
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[15:42:35] <IchGuckLive> Hi all B) O.O
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[15:48:34] <IchGuckLive> sendoushi: HI
[15:48:41] <sendoushi> hey hey!
[15:48:47] <sendoushi> took photos?
[15:48:59] <IchGuckLive> did you got the last picture yesterday
[15:49:11] <sendoushi> not really :s
[15:49:18] <IchGuckLive> querry
[15:49:28] <sendoushi> hum?
[15:49:41] <sendoushi> aaa
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[16:50:02] <r00t4rd3d> jdhNC, what router do you have?
[16:55:54] <pfred1> I have a Rosewill and some no name Chinese one
[16:56:05] <pfred1> I forget what kind of a router Verizon gave me
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[17:01:54] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[17:15:05] <IchGuckLive> B)
[17:16:32] <IchGuckLive> http://www.ebay.de/itm/CNC-Wood-Engraving-Machine-Engraver-Cutter-Router-1312-50-x47-2-2KW-spindle-/120833940263?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c22439b27
[17:16:40] <IchGuckLive> aewaysome prise
[17:18:03] <IchGuckLive> sendoushi: NP
[17:18:13] <sendoushi> :)
[17:19:00] <IchGuckLive> you got all the CNC drawings so fit it your need
[17:20:36] <sendoushi> i really appreciate all your help
[17:20:44] <IchGuckLive> sendoushi: did you calculate the endprise of the hardware for the given 1mx1mx0.5m mashine
[17:20:54] <sendoushi> not yet
[17:25:46] <IchGuckLive> im on 240Euros calculation
[17:26:02] <IchGuckLive> without the MDF
[17:27:17] <IchGuckLive> MDF ads 70euroas
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[17:28:37] <IchGuckLive> sendoushi: still here ?
[17:29:10] <IchGuckLive> you know that you need to replace the 100pF SMD parts on the TB board
[17:29:23] <IchGuckLive> 1000pf -> 150pf
[17:30:55] <sendoushi> ??
[17:30:57] <sendoushi> hum?
[17:31:32] <sendoushi> why?
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[17:31:59] <sendoushi> smd is hard to replace :s
[17:32:10] <IchGuckLive> the chinees construktor made a fault to read the Datashet of the TB6560
[17:32:27] <IchGuckLive> no it is well beside all other parts
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[17:34:13] <Spida> EY!
[17:34:14] <IchGuckLive> sorry
[17:34:16] <pcw_home> Yow!
[17:34:30] <IchGuckLive> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=152013&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1328480843
[17:34:32] <sendoushi> eheh
[17:34:50] <sendoushi> hmmm
[17:35:01] <IchGuckLive> the little ones on the TB6560 driver stage there are easy to reatch
[17:35:33] <IchGuckLive> i did also replace the FR304 towards ultra fast UF5404
[17:35:58] <IchGuckLive> so 100times faster and no noice at alll no losing since 2 years
[17:36:08] <sendoushi> hm
[17:36:15] <pfred1> you upgraded your current sense resistors?
[17:36:31] <pfred1> that is where they do you up
[17:36:56] <IchGuckLive> some people got lost with a multimeter
[17:37:17] <pfred1> those manufactured TB6560 boards come with garbage current sense resistors
[17:37:36] <IchGuckLive> pfred1: yes but no need as i got the right steppers from astron that the boards are build fore
[17:37:41] <pfred1> most are setup for 1 amp max
[17:37:53] <pfred1> well they're carbon anyways
[17:38:08] <pfred1> they're just trash not real metal film current sensing resistors
[17:38:19] <pfred1> which will set you back about $3 a pop
[17:38:52] <IchGuckLive> 2w 0.5 ohm or 0.41 ohm
[17:39:21] <IchGuckLive> 0.41 ohm for the 3.5 version
[17:39:28] <pfred1> what vots do yo urun your board at?
[17:39:31] <pfred1> volts even
[17:39:36] <IchGuckLive> and with 150pf you are at 400Mhz
[17:39:45] <IchGuckLive> 24
[17:39:54] <pfred1> yeah when I built my boards I went on the high side for my timing caps
[17:40:03] <IchGuckLive> 250Wat
[17:40:13] <IchGuckLive> 100pf
[17:40:27] <IchGuckLive> i stay save
[17:40:41] <IchGuckLive> 100pf is the max of the chip
[17:40:50] <pfred1> whatever i used is in range just on the low side of it
[17:41:00] <IchGuckLive> tolerance may give you a bad result
[17:41:08] <pfred1> I used high tolerance caps
[17:41:30] <pfred1> polystyrenes
[17:41:41] <IchGuckLive> yea if you tuneup your chinese board by some USD it is a gread pice of SHIT
[17:41:49] <pfred1> no I made my own boards
[17:42:01] <IchGuckLive> 38USD no way
[17:42:04] <pfred1> I built mine before the chinese did
[17:42:27] <pfred1> just like how we got to the Moon first
[17:42:31] <IchGuckLive> B) O.O
[17:42:54] <IchGuckLive> 1206 Alarm °!
[17:43:12] <pfred1> I don't understand why the chinese boards even have freewheeling diodes on them the ICs have them built in
[17:43:16] <IchGuckLive> Reset NP
[17:43:53] <pfred1> all I can figure is they couldn't read the datasheets when they designed their stuff
[17:43:59] <IchGuckLive> therfor the FR304 is not good to stay on
[17:44:19] <pfred1> yerah you can pop all them diodes out and it'd work fine
[17:44:28] <pfred1> the old TAs needed them
[17:44:32] <pfred1> the TBs don't
[17:45:13] <pfred1> they have a new IC now
[17:45:17] <pfred1> a TH Ithink it is
[17:45:43] <pfred1> http://simewang007.en.ec21.com/Toshiba_Thb6064ah_Engraver_Machine_Step--5804224_5887880.html
[17:45:49] <IchGuckLive> the chinese will not read the datasheet of this eighter
[17:45:50] <pfred1> its massive!
[17:46:09] <pfred1> it is twice as good at the TB
[17:46:48] <pfred1> I'm excited for when I get my hands on some of those
[17:47:07] <IchGuckLive> this will drive then the big Nema23 at 4,2A
[17:47:12] <IchGuckLive> at 48V
[17:47:12] <pfred1> it should drop right into my boards without modifications
[17:47:35] <IchGuckLive> but i sugess they miss up the 5V changing
[17:47:38] <pfred1> well the basic design I'm not sure if it is a pin for pin replacement
[17:48:03] <pfred1> all I've seen about it so far is prety sketchy
[17:48:17] <pfred1> no real data sheet per se
[17:48:38] <pfred1> but it was a while ago I was looking at it perhaps things have improved?
[17:48:48] <IchGuckLive> MC34063 woudt be best for stepdown
[17:49:05] <IchGuckLive> but its double the 7805
[17:49:16] <IchGuckLive> so they miss al up again
[17:49:41] <IchGuckLive> pfred1: this is your chanche to get over Gecko and Leadshine GO FOR IT !
[17:49:50] <pfred1> use a 317HT
[17:50:12] <pfred1> it'll take 52 input volts?
[17:50:15] <IchGuckLive> not stable enoph
[17:50:18] <pfred1> something stupid like that
[17:50:46] <IchGuckLive> 317 only 32V -> MC34063 80V
[17:50:54] <pfred1> I said HT
[17:51:08] <pfred1> that is the high voltage variant
[17:52:03] <IchGuckLive> pfred1: no HT -> http://search.datasheetcatalog.net/key/317H
[17:52:07] <pfred1> but it does not go to 80V
[17:52:50] <IchGuckLive> VH ?
[17:52:52] <pfred1> http://www.national.com/ms/LB/LB-47.pdf
[17:53:08] <pfred1> ah the T might be the package
[17:53:32] <IchGuckLive> 60V
[17:53:39] <pfred1> I'm not datasheetarchive.com personally
[17:54:10] <IchGuckLive> this is tricky at 52V input
[17:54:43] <pfred1> I'm getting fair performance at 24V myself so I figure double that I should be happy heck I'm happy enough as it is
[17:55:04] <IchGuckLive> 1.5Amps is tricky too 250ma for one TH at 5 axis no way
[17:56:31] <pfred1> do you mean share one regulator for multiple axis drives?
[17:56:43] <pfred1> because if you do I dedicate regulators to drivers
[17:57:08] <pfred1> so what you're talking about is not pertinant to me
[18:01:10] <jdhNC> r00t: mostly hdpe router made by the guy that makes those mounts
[18:04:09] <pfred1> if I plug one of my PCs directly into my verizon router I cannot establisn a net connection that way but if i put it through a switch first i can strange huh?
[18:04:24] <pfred1> my LAN is all messed up
[18:04:44] <IchGuckLive> Fix it and you are fine
[18:05:02] <pfred1> yeah maybe if I walk into Verizon's mani office with a flamethrower
[18:05:14] <pfred1> it'd get fixed
[18:05:35] <pfred1> is it as hard to say as oh my god there is a man in my office with a flamethrower?
[18:06:50] <pfred1> it ticked me off because it meant I had to crawl under my house 2 more times in order to make it work
[18:07:21] <pfred1> and one of the cables I'm using is really stretched now
[18:07:35] <pfred1> I have t ohave my verizon router on the floor
[18:09:25] <pfred1> one neat thing about this place is there is an unused airshaft from the crawlspace to the attic so I can drop cables easily
[18:10:10] <Jymmm> 6" conduit?
[18:10:25] <pfred1> no it is about 2 feet by 2 feet
[18:10:35] <pfred1> big box
[18:10:40] <Jymmm> 24" conduit! =)
[18:10:46] <pfred1> prety much
[18:10:53] <Jymmm> shielded conduit too
[18:11:08] <pfred1> yeah it is sheet metal duct
[18:11:36] <pfred1> I think before i got here the place only had a single unit that did the central air
[18:11:49] <pfred1> now it is split upstairs and downstairs
[18:12:05] <Jymmm> ah
[18:12:20] <pfred1> so that left me with an extra piece of duct running upstairs
[18:12:47] <pfred1> yup you can be in the attic and look int othe crawlspace
[18:12:58] <pfred1> great for running wires
[18:13:25] <Tom_itx> laundry chute
[18:13:39] <pfred1> yeah for the clothes you never want to see ever again
[18:13:49] <Jymmm> lost sock
[18:13:53] <pfred1> my crawlspace is nasty!
[18:14:07] <pfred1> I seen crap living in it that belonged in a zoo
[18:14:23] <IchGuckLive> im off BY B)
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[18:14:40] <pfred1> I saw a snake down there once that was 6 foot if it was an inch
[18:14:49] <Jymmm> Petite Giraffe
[18:14:59] <pfred1> thankfully I had a can of wasp spray in each hand
[18:15:08] <pfred1> I gave it to him with both barrels
[18:15:17] <Jymmm> http://www.petitelapgiraffe.com/
[18:15:31] <pfred1> wasps spray won't kill a snake but it'll make it move along
[18:18:04] <Tom_itx> blow torch will likely do both
[18:22:18] <Helios> 2nd attempt at melting delrin today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uybdq_JgsRY
[18:30:20] <jdhNC> that looks like a really bad idea.
[18:30:35] <Tom_itx> do you cook supper in the same pan?
[18:31:18] <Helios> The one that boils the oil yes, the one that melts plastics, wax and other shit no
[18:36:42] <Tom_itx> what about melting aluminum in a SS vessle would cause the SS to errode?
[18:37:10] <Helios> Tom, my zero shrinkage flexible mold makes perfect gears up to 230ºc beyond that the mold is dead
[18:37:31] <Helios> Delrin melts at 175ºc within the molds limit
[18:37:45] <Helios> Today's oven experiment proved the delrin can be melted into shape without burning
[18:37:52] <Helios> Albeit bad fumes
[18:37:55] <Helios> Hence the extractor
[18:38:04] <Helios> I can wave teh fan around to catch them all
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[18:45:35] <Jymmm> If anyone knows, what's the deal with PEX pipe with oxygen and UV exposure?
[18:46:15] <Helios> OK I just went in the kitchen and my eyes were stinging like real bad
[18:47:13] <pcw_home> Open the windows and stay out of the house for an hour or 2...
[18:47:38] <Helios> yeah
[18:48:03] <Jymmm> Helios: I hope you realize that the outgas (formaldehyde?) burning your eyes, is probably on or coated everything in your kitchen to some extent.
[18:48:41] <pcw_home> indoor plastic pyrolysis: probably not a real good idea
[18:50:38] <pcw_home> Outdoor hotplate: also better when it catches fire
[18:52:06] <Jymmm> Water solution of formaldehyde is very corrosive and its ingestion can cause severe injury to the upper gastrointestinal tract..
[18:52:10] <pfred1> I have wanted to try to melt HDPE for a while now
[18:52:19] <pfred1> you know old milk bottles
[18:52:32] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formaldehyde#Safety
[18:52:34] <pcw_home> At least its just a hydrocarbon
[18:52:44] <pcw_home> (HDPE)
[18:53:04] <Jymmm> pfred1: You can, but old milk residue (yuk)
[18:53:05] <pfred1> I hear you can do it with an oil double boiler
[18:53:19] <pfred1> wash the bottles I do before I recycle them anyways
[18:53:27] <pfred1> I don't want sour milk hanging around
[18:53:44] <Helios> Jymm that wasn't formaldehyde, it was a different sensation to the oven, the oil is on fire
[18:53:48] <Helios> its sunflower oil
[18:54:01] <Helios> I went outside to see the delrin, its melted and it melted much faster than the oven method
[18:54:12] <Helios> I think what I did wrong this time is I kept the oil bath too hot for too long
[18:54:19] <pfred1> yeah some folks mix oil with the plastic but you don't have to
[18:54:27] <Helios> I CO2'd the oil
[18:54:37] <syyl_ws> mh
[18:54:45] <Helios> Water is the WRONG thing to use on an oil fire
[18:54:49] <syyl_ws> i would just drop the idea of oven and melting plastic :D
[18:54:52] <Jymmm> Helios: You caught the pan of oil on fire?!
[18:54:58] <Helios> It was not flaming
[18:55:01] <Helios> but it was smoking
[18:55:01] <Helios> yes
[18:55:02] <syyl_ws> only thing you are going to do, is ruin your lungs
[18:55:09] <Helios> I do that anyway with smoking
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[18:55:36] <pcw_home> burn the house/apartment down is another possibility
[18:55:43] <Helios> The delrin outdoors was not burning, no bad smell
[18:55:44] <syyl_ws> then its a good idea to accelerate the process of destroying the lungs :D
[18:56:03] <Helios> I switched off everything in there
[18:56:04] <Jymmm> and the girlfirend/neighbors too
[18:56:07] <Helios> I'll go down and photo the delrin
[18:58:48] <Jymmm> In the electricity costs between the oven and boiling oil, and now rechargin a CO2 fire extinguisher, you could have just bought some delrin ready to go.
[18:59:34] <Jymmm> not a donate bag of delrin swarf shavings coated in coolant.
[19:00:02] <Helios> I'm doing RECYCLING
[19:00:13] <Helios> I'm into RENEWABLE ENERGY, electricity can be made from wind and the sun
[19:00:26] <Helios> The CO2 is a lifesaver
[19:00:41] <Helios> Water on that thing would probably have destroyed the block
[19:00:52] <Helios> I'm getting very close to the answer
[19:01:01] <Helios> The delrin has more than partially melted, its MOSTLY melted now
[19:01:14] <Helios> What I did wrong there was I had the heat on the oil bath for too long
[19:01:15] <Jymmm> No, what you just did it increase your carbon footprint 10x over
[19:01:24] <Helios> Carbon footprint is a load of BS
[19:01:32] <Helios> We BREATHE carbon dioxide
[19:01:42] <Helios> So's global warming
[19:02:08] <Helios> My concerns are landfill that gets into the water, lack of domestic industry, lack of jobs, wasted material, wasted energy
[19:02:47] <alex4nder> haha
[19:02:54] <alex4nder> Helios: you're back!
[19:03:00] <Helios> Hi alex4nder
[19:03:02] <Jymmm> Ir costs 3x more energey to recycle some materials than it does to crate new ones.
[19:03:12] <Jymmm> create
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[19:03:37] <Helios> What if you're poor and you don't have money for a CNC machine, like yourself I like to make stuff, but I'm trying to see if 3d printing, molding and recycling can be done
[19:03:42] <Helios> And I think with delrin I may be close
[19:03:56] <Helios> PVC could not be melted without catching fire, ABS will only deform, not melt
[19:04:29] <alex4nder> why don't you just make a machine like they did in olden times
[19:04:38] <alex4nder> rather than putzing around with synthetics
[19:05:08] <alex4nder> like, a Gingery rig
[19:05:55] <Helios> This reusable zero shrinkage mold made from Platinum catalysed silicone can go up to 230 degrees, aluminium is unsuitable, its like 660+ when molten. I believe melt pouring may be the simplest solution, so far wax, chocolate and soap gears are not very good
[19:06:00] <Helios> But I think Delrin gears may be great
[19:06:41] <Helios> I saw an awesome CNC machien in the bag pipes factory by the way
[19:06:43] <Helios> Made me jealous
[19:06:45] <Helios> Wish I had one
[19:07:06] <Helios> Bet that machine cost a fortune, it was beind a glass screen and the delrin was drenched in coolant from 3 hoses
[19:08:11] <alex4nder> Helios: http://www.lindsaybks.com/dgjp/djgbk/series/index.html
[19:09:01] <alex4nder> no excuse not to build your own CNC rig
[19:10:50] <pcw_home> And, assuming you do the foundry work outside, less likely to burn your house down
[19:11:43] <mrsun> how to make something truly square? :) like an angle plate .. if you were to do one yourself =)
[19:12:19] <Jymmm> mrsun: like ancient way or modern?
[19:12:31] <mrsun> wells omething you can do without having a billion machines :P
[19:12:53] <alex4nder> mrsun: you can lap 3 plates flat
[19:13:02] <mrsun> got a surface plate
[19:13:19] <mrsun> but getting something square at exactly 90 degrees from that ...
[19:13:21] <alex4nder> you make your own surface plates
[19:13:37] <Jymmm> alex4nder: ?
[19:14:02] <alex4nder> god didn't hand down a surface plate to the first machinist
[19:14:27] <mrsun> alex4nder, well i got a surface plate already :P
[19:14:32] <mrsun> so do not need to make one of those :P
[19:14:34] <Jymmm> He did to Moses =)
[19:14:46] <alex4nder> Jymmm: but those were useless, they had writing all over them
[19:14:57] <Jymmm> only on the back side
[19:15:00] <alex4nder> mrsun: you can make a 90 degree angle with just precision measuring.
[19:15:02] <mrsun> haha true that Jymmm
[19:15:06] <alex4nder> and some math
[19:15:08] <DJ9DJ> harhar :D
[19:15:16] <mrsun> but how the heck do i measure that :P
[19:15:41] <Jymmm> mrsun: do you know how to tell if frame is square?
[19:16:02] <mrsun> Jymmm, ye cross measure it .. but an angle plate isnt a square :P
[19:16:06] <Jymmm> mrsun: measure the distance of the corners diagonally
[19:16:12] <alex4nder> regardless of what moses got, I'm sure god didn't just hand down a ruler
[19:16:31] <mrsun> Jymmm, no but a rulebook :p
[19:16:37] <Jymmm> mrsun: Well, start with a block of swuared metal and compare
[19:16:40] <mrsun> so i guess you could call that a "ruler" :P
[19:16:53] <Jymmm> squared even
[19:17:25] <Jymmm> use the block and a guide and a flashlight
[19:17:32] <Jymmm> s/and/as/
[19:17:56] <mrsun> i guess i could make some of those precision cylinders in the lathe :P
[19:18:05] <mrsun> that my books talk about =)
[19:18:08] <elmo40> sure, why not?
[19:18:16] <elmo40> precision is a relative term ;)
[19:18:26] <elmo40> give me numbers of tolerance
[19:18:42] <mrsun> atleast 0.01mm ... at minimum =)
[19:18:50] <Jymmm> elmo40: whats the gravitational pull in your area?
[19:18:57] <mrsun> over like 10cm
[19:21:11] <elmo40> Jymmm: about 9.81m/s/s
[19:21:12] <elmo40> you?
[19:21:23] <Jymmm> elmo40: It sucks =)
[19:21:35] <elmo40> raise your elevation :)
[19:21:58] <Jymmm> elmo40: Every time I try, I keep getting sucked down again =)
[19:22:22] <pcw_home> or lower it (at 4000 miles down is 0)
[19:22:36] <pcw_home> s/is/its/
[19:22:53] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I forgot my asbestos suit
[19:23:06] <pcw_home> not sure that would help
[19:23:53] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I'll wrap it in delrin for insulation.
[19:24:03] <alex4nder> haha
[19:25:20] <Helios> Partially melted delrin, incredibly strong http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-98gZvgG1w
[19:25:30] <pcw_home> 5000 to 7300 K are estimates so about as hot as the surface of the sun
[19:25:43] <Jymmm> But on a serious side... If you were to machine/fabricate something "flat" at 100ft below sea level (in an ocean or whatever) how would the atmospheric pressure effect it at sea level?
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[19:39:34] <pcw_home> _In_ the ocean it would be different as the pressure change with height would be much higher
[19:39:36] <pcw_home> A flat plate should have only very small bending forces regardless of external pressure however
[19:39:36] <Tom_itx> we should make a list of things people have done in their kitchens
[19:40:24] <pcw_home> I used to make rocket fuel (definitely a mistake)
[19:40:31] <Tom_itx> heh
[19:40:55] <Helios> pcw ACPC or kerosene?
[19:40:59] <Helios> Or H2?
[19:41:04] <archivist> who didnt :)
[19:41:23] <pcw_home> Got the big "this is s FOOD PREPARATION AREA" lecture on that one
[19:42:13] <archivist> tried to dry out a mix on the radiator, set sisters underwear on fire :)
[19:42:19] <pcw_home> Saltpeter and sugar melted together
[19:44:19] <pcw_home> dumb stuff with potassium chlorate/styrene
[19:45:17] <pfred1> archivist so, you have a hawt sister?
[19:46:30] <archivist> my rocket fuel mix was sodium chlorate(weed killer) and sugar
[19:47:25] <pcw_home> chlorates are a lot less stable /forgiving than nitrates
[19:47:43] <mrsun> http://www.maskinisten.net/viewtopic.php?t=31867 <-- some pictures of my casting actualy in the machine, i can see from the pictures what needs to be modified .. but atleast its working, his comment "its like a new machine" :P
[19:47:51] <uw> anybody need fatherday idea?
[19:47:53] <uw> http://uwonfire.com/img/P1030259.JPG
[19:47:57] <mrsun> (its in swedish but pictures are universal language :P )
[19:48:14] <uw> gcode and dxf available on that page
[19:48:16] <Helios> Same shit the old shuttle SRB's used
[19:48:25] <Helios> except I think that used sodium PERchlorate
[19:48:33] <Helios> Not sure of the difference
[19:50:37] <Jymmm> pcw_home: styrene?
[19:50:44] <Jymmm> pcw_home: as a binder?
[19:50:49] <pcw_home> chlorates and sugar will detonate with just a hammer hit
[19:51:09] <pcw_home> as a fuel/binder
[19:51:13] <Jymmm> ah
[19:52:24] <pcw_home> Note I DO NOT suggest anyone mess with chlorates, way too treacherous
[19:53:24] <Jymmm> pcw_home: too late, aready have a pound in a ball mill
[19:54:01] <Jymmm> Potassium chlorate that is
[19:55:01] <Jymmm> pcw_home: next goes in the powdered sugar =)
[19:55:15] <pcw_home> how far away are you now?
[19:55:44] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Driving north on 680 FWY
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[19:56:29] <pcw_home> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc_nnnBmMbM
[19:56:31] <pcw_home> ammonium perchlorate
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[19:58:14] <pfred1> i seen a lot of pictures on the Internet i can't make heads or tails of
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[19:59:45] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I was going to mess with making gun powder a couple of weeks ago; had found all the materials locally
[20:01:09] <alex4nder> smokeless, or black?
[20:01:16] <Jymmm> black
[20:01:21] <alex4nder> nice
[20:01:56] <Jymmm> About the time I was getting to buy the materials my order of fuse arrived.
[20:01:57] <Helios> Don't modern bullets use HMX?
[20:02:02] <Helios> or RDX
[20:02:09] <alex4nder> no.
[20:03:01] <pfred1> I seen them try to make black powder on mythbusters it didn't work too well for them
[20:03:11] <pfred1> not nearly as well as the stuff you can buy in a can works
[20:03:42] <Jymmm> I was testing 1-3 inch pieces of slow burnign fuse. Even though I place a rock on it to hold in place, the shit shot off like a rocket across the yard.
[20:03:44] <pfred1> they sell black powder at my general store here
[20:04:05] <pfred1> you know for all the muzzle loader freaks
[20:04:06] <alex4nder> pfred1: you live pretty far away from a major population center?
[20:04:19] <Helios> couldn't you get done for terrorism if you're caught with gunpowder, wouldn't they try to say you were making a bomb?
[20:04:22] <pfred1> alex4nder there ain't a million people in this entire state
[20:04:27] <Jymmm> At that point, I just put all the fuse back in the sealed metal container and will wait another day till I have an area large enough to play around some more.
[20:04:33] <Helios> Pfred, where are you, Rhode Island?
[20:04:33] <pfred1> we only have one area code
[20:04:37] <pfred1> DE
[20:04:39] <alex4nder> ah
[20:04:46] <pfred1> the whole state is 302
[20:04:52] <alex4nder> Helios: people in the US reload their own ammunition.
[20:04:54] <pfred1> so we don't even bother with the area code
[20:04:56] <alex4nder> and owning ammo is legal.
[20:05:02] <alex4nder> so...
[20:05:08] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I know who sells it here too, I want to try making it from off the shelf conponents just to say I can.
[20:05:11] <Jymmm> or have
[20:05:12] <pfred1> we don't have any gun licensing
[20:05:23] <pfred1> just a permit for concealed carry
[20:05:26] <alex4nder> ah
[20:05:29] <pfred1> other than that whatever
[20:05:33] <alex4nder> so you're less free than alaska, but not by much.
[20:05:36] <Helios> There are more people living in Bristol than the whole of your state
[20:05:46] <pfred1> the NRA gives us a B+
[20:06:06] <pfred1> someone was just shooting across the street from me
[20:06:06] <alex4nder> I live in coast California. We're so free here than gun owners will not be tolerated.
[20:06:10] <alex4nder> WE'RE FREE GOD DAMN IT
[20:06:11] <pfred1> semi auto
[20:06:25] <alex4nder> +al
[20:06:26] <pfred1> they were popping off rounds pretty fast
[20:06:29] <Jymmm> alex4nder: lol
[20:06:44] <Helios> In Britain it is ILLEGAL to own any handgun. You need a SPECIAL LICENSE for a shotgun or a rifle, and you CAN ONLY use a machine gun if you're with a special police unit or the military or you are Prince Harry
[20:06:50] <pfred1> one new years eve I heard someone up the road fire off a full auto weapon
[20:06:58] <Jymmm> alex4nder: Just remember, that BLM is FEDERAL land =)
[20:07:24] <pfred1> yeah it was a machine gun of some kind
[20:07:25] <alex4nder> they bow to states rights on almost all matters. :(
[20:07:33] <alex4nder> I'm not even allowed to have standard capacity magazines
[20:07:33] <pfred1> which I'm not sure if they are legal here
[20:07:43] <Helios> Actually there is a loophole, you are allowed a handgun if it is over a hundred years old and you are a member of an antiques society
[20:07:53] <Jymmm> alex4nder: Sure you are, just pre-ban ones
[20:07:55] <Helios> You can also own a 100 year old water cooled vickers machinegun
[20:08:04] <Jymmm> alex4nder: and rebuilt ones
[20:08:11] <pfred1> this wasn't a Vickers too high a cycle rate
[20:08:24] <Jymmm> alex4nder: I'm in Calif too ya know
[20:08:26] <alex4nder> Jymmm: if I stick one of those in anything but a registered assault rifle, I've just commited a felony.
[20:08:27] <pfred1> sounded about 500-500 RPM
[20:08:31] <pfred1> 500-600
[20:08:40] <Helios> M16
[20:08:45] <pfred1> maybe
[20:08:45] <alex4nder> and I own no registered assault rifles.
[20:09:12] <Jymmm> alex4nder: Glock 17 with pre-ban 17rnd magazine is legal in Cal
[20:09:12] <alex4nder> (assuming we're talking center-fire)
[20:09:16] <Helios> And you wonder why the USA has over 10,000 gun deaths a year
[20:09:21] <alex4nder> Jymmm: that's not a rifle.
[20:09:32] <alex4nder> and it's pistol-grip loaded.
[20:09:38] <Helios> Mind you in the UK we have far more knife deaths
[20:09:39] <pfred1> Helios well would you rather we bludgeon each other to death?
[20:10:05] <Helios> I'd rather people would learn not to use violence. We have an outright handgun ban, even the police are not allowed them
[20:10:07] <pfred1> there was a guy up in Dover that cut down an intruder with a samuari sword
[20:10:09] <alex4nder> Jymmm: you own any registered assault rifles or 'off-list' weaponry?
[20:10:21] <pfred1> in his garage
[20:10:22] <cradek> we prefer to die from lack of health care
[20:10:29] <Helios> pfred this sort of thing does happen
[20:10:33] <alex4nder> cradek: after we bleed out from the bullet holes
[20:10:42] <pfred1> it was so weird it was big news
[20:10:53] <cradek> alex4nder: bonus
[20:10:56] <pfred1> if he'd have just shot the guy I'd have never heard about it
[20:11:09] <Jymmm> alex4nder: If I did or didn't, would you think I would say so on irc?
[20:11:19] <pfred1> but throwing stars are illegal here
[20:11:23] <Helios> Coronory heart disease is Britain's biggest killer
[20:11:31] <alex4nder> Jymmm: why is talking about legal ownership of property sketchy?
[20:11:36] <Jymmm> pfred1: throwing knices too?
[20:11:43] <Helios> Yeah we got them
[20:11:44] <pfred1> you can have any kind of gun but forget about them throwing stars!
[20:11:44] <Helios> They're allowed
[20:11:48] <pfred1> nah just stars
[20:11:53] <pfred1> knives are OK
[20:12:13] <pfred1> stupidest thing I ever heard of
[20:12:15] <Jymmm> alex4nder: plausible deniability
[20:12:16] <Helios> But carrying a knife in public gets you 3 years in jail
[20:12:21] <alex4nder> Jymmm: deniability of what?
[20:12:27] <Helios> Unless its in a locked box and you're walkign to the car and you're a chef
[20:12:34] <Jymmm> alex4nder: of whatever.
[20:12:37] <alex4nder> ok
[20:12:42] <pfred1> Helios we can open carry guns no permit no license
[20:12:53] <Helios> in the usa
[20:12:54] <Jymmm> pfred1: bastard
[20:13:01] <pfred1> just so long as you're over the age of 16
[20:13:10] <pfred1> under 16 you have to be with a guardian
[20:13:13] <Jymmm> pfred1: and that ONLY gets you a B+ ???
[20:13:14] <Helios> If I waved a BB gun around in the UK the helicopter and the armed response unit would come staight out
[20:13:26] <pfred1> well we have the permit for CC
[20:13:31] <Jymmm> ah
[20:13:40] <pfred1> and i think there is some laws about full auto
[20:13:46] <pfred1> not entirely sure but I think
[20:13:54] <Jymmm> pfred1: so who gets a A+ ?
[20:14:05] <pfred1> if you have no CC permit and allow full auto
[20:14:08] <alex4nder> alaska, montana,.
[20:14:14] <Helios> Arizona
[20:14:19] <Helios> NEvada certainly
[20:14:21] <alex4nder> montana doesn't even require federal interaction if the gun is built-in state of in-state parts
[20:14:28] <pfred1> there is some place down south that has the trifecta of gun nutishness
[20:14:37] <pfred1> it might be arkansas
[20:14:59] <Jymmm> so butt ass cold == A+ ?
[20:15:05] <pfred1> like you can own a machine gun with no license no problem!
[20:15:27] <pfred1> the NRA respects that
[20:15:30] <Helios> What's the point of all this gun madness, they kill people, they leave parents grieving over lost children, women weeping over lost husbands.
[20:15:46] <pfred1> look if everyone is heavily armed everyone thinks
[20:15:48] <alex4nder> pfred1: no state allows owning a machine gun without federal interaction, and thus a BATFE tax stamp
[20:15:56] <Helios> Personally I would be an advocate of a 1 world 0 bullet police
[20:15:58] <alex4nder> even montana hasn't challenged that.
[20:16:02] <Helios> policy
[20:16:08] <pfred1> they think if I let loose on someone everyone is going ti give it right back to me
[20:16:35] <pfred1> alex4nder well OK but some states out and out ban the things
[20:16:45] <pfred1> most in fact
[20:16:53] <pfred1> unless you're a gun dealer
[20:17:05] <alex4nder> yah, all of the blue states do
[20:17:19] <pfred1> we'rea blue state because of all the upstate liberals
[20:17:20] <alex4nder> I feel like the red states allow it to troll the blue states.
[20:17:26] <pfred1> but I live in sussex county
[20:17:32] <alex4nder> ah
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[20:18:23] <pfred1> we voted for I'm not a witch Christine O'Donnell down here
[20:18:52] <pfred1> we actually use our guns here
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[20:19:15] <pfred1> I can go out in my backyard anytime I want and shoot
[20:19:45] <pfred1> we all do
[20:20:06] <Helios> If world peace could be obtained and all the governments of the world and all the private individuals were willing to lay down their arms in exchange to awe at world peace where there were no borders, no murders, not one single country on Earth at war with each other, would you surrender your weapon to help achieve that goal?
[20:20:08] <pfred1> I'm backed up to a hunting preserve there's nothing back there to hit for miles
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[20:20:31] <pfred1> heck no
[20:20:35] <pfred1> guns are cool
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[20:20:57] <pfred1> the original point click and shoot interface!
[20:20:59] <r00t4rd3d> 420!
[20:21:39] <alex4nder> r00t4rd3d: put down the mill
[20:21:41] <pfred1> the Nazis were big for gun control
[20:21:52] <archivist> any ideas which milling machine donated this I found on ebay a few years ago http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_06_16_vertical_head/
[20:24:10] <archivist> 30 size internal and 40 size into the machine spindle
[20:24:15] <r00t4rd3d> benchmaster
[20:24:50] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f12/10568d1236034813-small-hoizontal-milling-machine-vertical-head-ct-100_0173.jpg
[20:25:52] <archivist> except it is not that one nor http://www.lathes.co.uk/duro/
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[20:26:39] <sendoushi> already have the list of what i need and prices...
[20:26:50] <alex4nder> for what?
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[20:29:43] <sendoushi> mill CNC
[20:31:03] <alex4nder> ah
[20:31:22] <sendoushi> for now... 450e without MDF and ALU parts
[20:31:33] <sendoushi> mechanics hardware and electronics
[20:32:22] <r00t4rd3d> did you find plans?
[20:32:24] <sendoushi> oh and no screws
[20:32:35] <sendoushi> IchGuckLive walked me through
[20:32:40] <sendoushi> pretty nice attitude
[20:32:44] <Helios> Is THIS cool? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=306_1315172384
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[20:33:19] <sendoushi> made me understand what everything is needed for
[20:33:30] <r00t4rd3d> posting that without a warning is NOT cool.
[20:33:31] <sendoushi> and what type of CNC (design-wise) i want
[20:33:39] <sendoushi> yeah... not cool :s
[20:34:04] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[20:34:08] <Helios> I argue guns are not cool neither are bullets, if this global village we all must share is to continue we need to curb global weapons production to a halt permenantly
[20:34:09] <r00t4rd3d> if i was eating spaghetti i would be pissed.
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[20:34:51] <r00t4rd3d> and honestly, fuck syria and its people
[20:35:28] <Helios> This happens in the USA every day also, only it isn't civil war its often drug war. the end result is still the same
[20:36:14] <pfred1> take away all of their guns and slap them all in chains
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[20:36:36] <pfred1> a popular plan with a select minority
[20:36:49] <Helios> The people of Syria may not speak the same language as us nor worship the same god as us, but they are still human beings at the end of the day. Who the hell are we to determine who lives and who dies?
[20:36:52] <r00t4rd3d> this is cool
[20:36:52] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=070_1339871470
[20:37:06] <pfred1> people with more bigger guns?
[20:37:30] <r00t4rd3d> goto 4:00 lol
[20:38:12] <pfred1> protecting your rights is every individual's responsibility
[20:38:30] <Helios> Which is right, the right to kill or the right to live?
[20:39:01] <pfred1> you have to do what you have to do
[20:39:29] <pfred1> there's only two kinds of people in this world victims and victimizers
[20:39:42] <Helios> It doesn't have to be this way, we could just learn to get along
[20:39:57] <pfred1> this is the natural order of things
[20:40:28] <Helios> We only started praying upon ourselves once the human population grew above a certain size
[20:40:31] <pfred1> consience is only developed though cognitive affermation of consequences
[20:40:59] <pfred1> pfft people been breaking each other's heads open since the dawn of our species
[20:41:27] <Helios> I'd argue 14,000 years ago man had to get along or else it was a mammoth, tiger, lion, bear that smashed your head open not each other
[20:41:30] <pfred1> the only thing that stops it is knowing the tribe gonna break your head open if they catch you
[20:42:40] <pfred1> well there is the difference today there are a lot more people and less lions and tigers and bears to say oh my about
[20:43:44] <Helios> exactly, there are no other dangers to our species except ourselves
[20:44:04] <pfred1> well that isn't to say there aren't any dangers is it?
[20:44:16] <Helios> Governments want their weapons to enforce control by fear of death
[20:44:34] <pfred1> we've nothing but the threat of violence
[20:44:52] <Helios> Perhaps we could learn to do without it
[20:45:12] <pfred1> perhaps we've a number of obstacles to overcome before that day arrives though
[20:45:29] <Helios> The largest obstacle is the human mind, I ask you to lay down your weapon you say no
[20:45:34] <pfred1> until then keep your aim sharp and your powder dry
[20:45:45] <Helios> One you can get passed that barrier to every gun wielder worldwide we can have world peace
[20:46:01] <Helios> I'm in Britain, I would be locked away for many years if I possessed a gun
[20:46:06] <pfred1> no I'd say the biggest obstacle we face is population expansion and resource depletion
[20:46:36] <pfred1> the pie ain't getting any bigger but there are many more that want a piece of it
[20:46:45] <Helios> Theoretically Earth could sustain 9 trillion if perfectly optimized
[20:46:54] <pfred1> no way
[20:47:02] <Helios> You want my math?
[20:47:10] <pfred1> at 12 billion we're going to feel the pinch
[20:47:17] <r00t4rd3d> mount attempt #2
[20:47:34] <pfred1> everyone will suffer from a degradation of quality of life
[20:47:50] <pfred1> no one will be immune
[20:47:53] <Helios> Earths total land mass is: 148,940,000 km"2 land (29.2 %). 1 km"2 = 1,000,000 m^2. This is a total of 148,940,000,000,000 m^2. If the entire land mass of Earth cound be 100% optimized and everyone had their own 4m^2 share of the land of Earth the absolute maximum population capacity therefore would be 37.235 trillion people assuming nobody lives above or below anyone or anyone lives on water.
[20:47:53] <Helios> When people say "oh the world is overpopulated, we need to kill off large numbers of people so our species can survive" they are lying through their teeth.
[20:47:54] <Helios> Assume 2800 tonnes of wheat can be grown per km^2 per year.This is 9,492,000,000 calories per km^2 per year. Were the Earth growing this to 100% maximum capacity on every square meter on the land and all the people were co-existing with the farms, i.e. growing it on roofs, the Earth could produce 1,413,738,480,000,000,000 calories annually. Assuming each person eats a rationed 2000 calories
[20:47:54] <Helios> per day and there are 365.25 days per year there are theoretically enough calories for 1,935,302,505,133 people to live on Earth without starving assuming they eat no fish. Nearly 2 trillion.
[20:48:13] <r00t4rd3d> pfred1, did you run your tb6560 at full power?
[20:48:21] <Helios> If every square meter of sea land could be utilized, 9 trillion
[20:48:34] <pfred1> r00t4rd3d I never went past 24V the limit of my present power supply
[20:48:50] <pfred1> heck we've already fished out the oceans
[20:49:15] <pfred1> we net about 10% of what we did just 50 years ago
[20:49:40] <pfred1> not because we net less but because there are just that much less fish to net
[20:49:45] <r00t4rd3d> i have a 24v supply too but have my tb6560 set to 75% power settings
[20:49:57] <pfred1> I run 100%
[20:50:11] <pfred1> full decay mode too
[20:50:22] <r00t4rd3d> what about the dec
[20:50:45] <pfred1> but I picked my current limiting resistors for the motors i run
[20:50:56] <r00t4rd3d> my motors are 1.8 step angle but if i set it to 1/8 its slow as death
[20:50:59] <pfred1> which is how you're supposed to set the current limit
[20:51:21] <pfred1> no your microstepping has nothng to do with your motor angle
[20:51:31] <r00t4rd3d> lol oh
[20:51:40] <pfred1> well it does for how much you move
[20:51:46] <pfred1> but you can pick any combination
[20:52:03] <r00t4rd3d> im at 1/2 right now and it works
[20:52:15] <pfred1> yeah 1/2 works
[20:52:20] <pfred1> full is kind of funny
[20:52:21] <r00t4rd3d> what do you use?
[20:52:27] <pfred1> I use 1/4
[20:52:38] <r00t4rd3d> i dont have a 1/4 setting
[20:52:55] <r00t4rd3d> 1 1/2 1/8 1/16
[20:53:29] <r00t4rd3d> i dont have any resistors on my motors
[20:53:39] <r00t4rd3d> should i?
[20:53:53] <pfred1> TB6560 uses current sensing resistors to set your current limit
[20:54:02] <pfred1> every IC has one per phase
[20:54:18] <pfred1> for a total of 2 resistors per motor
[20:54:29] <pfred1> on your board they're probably light blue
[20:54:45] <pfred1> all the chinese boards I've seen havel ight blue current sensing resistors
[20:54:50] <r00t4rd3d> you said you picked your resistors for the motors you run
[20:54:54] <pfred1> yes
[20:55:42] <r00t4rd3d> did you change them or get the tb6560 cause it has what you wanted?
[20:55:57] <pfred1> there is a formula to calculate what resistance yields what current at your reference voltage
[20:56:09] <pfred1> I made my own drivers from scratch
[20:56:14] <r00t4rd3d> why are you picking resistors if they are onboard?
[20:56:25] <pfred1> because i made my own boards
[20:56:29] <r00t4rd3d> oh!
[20:56:35] <r00t4rd3d> you left that part out
[20:56:47] <r00t4rd3d> i was like wtf is he talking about
[20:57:08] <pfred1> http://www.instructables.com/id/TB6560-Microstepping-Bipolar-Chopper-Stepper-Motor/
[20:57:18] <r00t4rd3d> you just used the tb6560 chips not the whole chinaman special board
[20:57:20] <pfred1> those are my drivers I made
[20:58:31] <pfred1> I made my boards before the chainamen made theirs
[20:58:52] <pfred1> today if i had it to do all over I'd buy their boards :)
[20:59:06] <r00t4rd3d> cant beat 46 bucks
[20:59:35] <pfred1> but there are areas you can improve them
[21:00:01] <r00t4rd3d> i just ordered a case for mine
[21:00:16] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/160510486344?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[21:01:38] <pfred1> r00t4rd3d check mine out running http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHPKaHLzXes
[21:02:36] <pfred1> I'ge gotten it to run as high as 1.5 IPS
[21:02:43] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/P9nDX.jpg
[21:02:46] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[21:03:36] <pfred1> the magic if Ty-Wraps
[21:03:41] <pfred1> the magic of Ty-Wraps
[21:06:14] <pfred1> r00t4rd3d judging by your X axis linear guids I can only assume you've never seen this design http://cr4.globalspec.com/PostImages/200902/IMG_3795_715B08D9-CBFE-66F3-F01EF2DAB26920C2.jpg
[21:07:00] <r00t4rd3d> i did but i like to spend money instead of DIY
[21:07:08] <pfred1> K
[21:07:33] <pfred1> I came up with something even cheesier for my Z axis
[21:07:35] <r00t4rd3d> they are not that much either
[21:07:42] <pfred1> it doesn't use bearings at all
[21:07:50] <pfred1> but melamine bearing surfaces
[21:08:09] <pfred1> which i bought at a thrift shop for 50 cents a shelf
[21:08:13] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/linear-carriage-with-abec-7-bearings-p-33.html?cPath=21
[21:08:19] <r00t4rd3d> 23 bucks a pieve
[21:08:21] <r00t4rd3d> piece
[21:08:39] <pfred1> wow that is quite a chunk of aluminum
[21:08:45] <r00t4rd3d> i paid 30 for the rails from a local guy, drilled mounting holes included
[21:09:03] <pfred1> the bar stock?
[21:09:05] <r00t4rd3d> ya
[21:09:10] <pfred1> is it cold rolled steel?
[21:09:15] <r00t4rd3d> aluminum
[21:09:17] <pfred1> oh
[21:09:24] <pfred1> hmmm
[21:09:37] <pfred1> aluminum sometimes can have rolled edges
[21:09:47] <r00t4rd3d> dont matter
[21:09:53] <pfred1> I think CRS is a bit more accurate
[21:10:18] <elmo40> more accurate then Al?
[21:10:25] <pfred1> yeah I'm using particle board stuff is on the money as far as I'm concerned :)
[21:10:28] <elmo40> I doubt that
[21:10:39] <r00t4rd3d> i used MDF too
[21:10:40] <pfred1> yes CRS is more accurate than AL
[21:11:04] <r00t4rd3d> one more smoke then i need to go make a router mount
[21:11:13] <r00t4rd3d> i went and got the hole saw that i needed
[21:11:22] <r00t4rd3d> 45 bucks w/ the arbor
[21:11:22] <pfred1> AL is funny in that it can wear and wear stuff at the same time
[21:11:36] <pfred1> sand paper is aluminum oxide
[21:12:18] <pfred1> so the surface of your aluminum is always aluminum oxide but the AL under it is soft
[21:12:53] <pfred1> when I made my table saw rip fence i used AL because it slides a lot poorer than steel on steel
[21:13:40] <pfred1> I wanted the fence to positively lock
[21:13:52] <pfred1> steel on steel it kept slipping on me
[21:14:03] <pfred1> threw in some aluminum flashing it locked right up :)
[21:15:43] <Tom_itx> Jymmm keep your fuse dry in your kitchen oven
[21:16:05] <Tom_itx> we were discussing alternate kitchen uses a while ago
[21:16:34] <JT-Shop> best to set the oven to clean cycle then go to the store... when you get back your fuse will be really dry
[21:17:08] * Tom_itx bets JT-Shop is a pro at such things
[21:17:21] <JT-Shop> never tried it
[21:17:34] <JT-Shop> but I'll hold your beer while you try it
[21:17:46] <Tom_itx> naw you never wanna set a beer down
[21:18:27] <Tom_itx> i could go ahead and cut my heat sink down a bit i suppose. the box should be here monday
[21:19:26] <pfred1> I'm like Scrooge when I run my fingers though my heatsink stash
[21:19:32] * JT-Shop thinks about taking a nap
[21:19:37] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: That is the stupiedest idea I've heard yet. I just hang the whole roll of fuse above the camp fire to keep it dry.
[21:19:49] <Tom_itx> ahh even better
[21:20:23] <Tom_itx> driving on 680 while on irc is right up there too :)
[21:21:11] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: And in the rainy seaosn, the top of the 55gal fuel drums hold it perfectly, so just point a 100K BUT heater at it and dry as can be in 30m or less
[21:21:17] <JT-Shop> oh no, I have 3,333 posts
[21:21:21] <Jymmm> BTU
[21:21:40] <Jymmm> fence posts?
[21:21:48] <JT-Shop> yea, sure
[21:22:21] <Jymmm> heh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx2yDgMqYJA&feature=related
[21:23:24] <Jymmm> he even says "swamp cooler pump" but I guess many dont even what a swamp cooler even is.
[21:23:35] <Jymmm> viewers that is
[21:24:19] <Jymmm> Ok, THIS is a ghetto AC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvxb1AlayNI&NR=1&feature=fvwp
[21:26:03] <JT-Shop> ok, you guys talked me into it
[21:26:12] <JT-Shop> NAP TIME!
[21:32:13] <toastydeath> what does that have to do with CNC or linux
[21:34:54] <pfred1> even computers need to sleep
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[21:42:39] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: robots and slaves dont sleep, git your ass back to work robot slave!
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[22:02:13] <Tom_itx> Jymmm i think the controller is flakey on this pc rather not the cd as i tried 2 cd drives and 2 different disks
[22:02:16] <Tom_itx> i gave up on it
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[22:37:30] <pfred1> try a different cable?
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[22:49:28] <Tom_itx> did
[22:49:46] <pfred1> OK I've seen lots of cables go bad
[22:49:59] <pfred1> lots of drives for that matter too
[22:54:39] <JT-Shop> dang I feel better now
[23:00:15] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: sometimes its just not worth salvaging old pc gear
[23:00:47] <Jymmm> not with $200 laptops these day
[23:00:48] <Jymmm> s
[23:01:54] <pfred1> I hate laptops
[23:02:14] <Jymmm> hate?
[23:02:17] <pfred1> they always perform poorly for what they are
[23:02:38] <pfred1> then you've no recourse to rectify it either
[23:02:39] <Jymmm> for a portable all in on computer system
[23:03:05] <pfred1> yeah as if i need to carry a computer around
[23:03:26] <pfred1> what do I look like a door to door salesman to you?
[23:04:06] <Jymmm> pfred1: Then I have the perfect thing for you, and I'm selling it too...
[23:04:33] <pfred1> if it ain't free or better yet you're going to give me money to take it away it is far from perfect
[23:05:03] <Jymmm> I said selling you cheap old grumpy bastard!
[23:05:23] <pfred1> old electronics is toxic waste
[23:05:33] <Jymmm> http://i54.tinypic.com/2i09ndk.jpg
[23:05:39] <pfred1> least disposing of it it has to be treated that way
[23:05:45] <Jymmm> put your own mobo hdd odd in it
[23:06:36] <Jymmm> 15" LCD
[23:06:43] <Jymmm> powered speakers
[23:06:49] <Jymmm> etc
[23:07:04] <Jymmm> =)
[23:07:04] <pfred1> I picked all of that up today
[23:07:14] <Jymmm> why?
[23:07:14] <pfred1> well the screen is perhaps larger
[23:07:31] <Jymmm> This is ALL in the case, not invividualy
[23:07:35] <pfred1> an exact duplicate of something I picked up 2 weeks ago in fact
[23:07:40] <andypugh> where does axis.py hide in an installed system?
[23:07:52] <pfred1> locate axis.py
[23:08:16] <Jymmm> sudo updatedb; locate axis.py
[23:08:35] <Jymmm> http://i51.tinypic.com/2n9i8hg.jpg
[23:08:36] <pfred1> I'm assuming they've had their system running more than a day
[23:09:11] <Jymmm> It's a computer, never assume anything =)
[23:09:23] <pfred1> its andy they've been here
[23:10:03] <Jymmm> What I said still stands on it's own merits.
[23:10:16] <Jymmm> user has nothing to do with that.
[23:10:52] <pfred1> well there's always find / -name "*axis*" | grep py
[23:10:58] <andypugh> But yes, I did updatedb and locate axis.py
[23:11:48] <pfred1> that should turn up anything even remotely resembling it
[23:11:59] <Jymmm> I'm really not sure if I want to sell it, or gut it for the 12VDC 15" LCD
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[23:12:40] <pfred1> unless you run that as root I think you still get a lot of permission denied messages though
[23:12:42] <andypugh> Seems to interesting as an antique to break it.
[23:13:06] <Jymmm> andypugh: It still works, I *think* I installed ubuntu 10.x on it.
[23:13:28] <pfred1> nothing ubuntu runs on has any historical value to it
[23:14:08] <Jymmm> andypugh: The only antique I'm saving is my 486DX25 that's 4" tall, 10" wide, and 14" deep with 2 3C509 nics in it.
[23:14:25] <Jymmm> the luggable has a P120 in it
[23:14:29] <pfred1> pfft I have an 8086 that'll still boot up
[23:14:43] <Jymmm> sorry to hear that
[23:14:52] <pfred1> you have to destick the HDD with a pencil eraser though
[23:15:05] <Jymmm> those are HUGE as is the PS in them
[23:15:10] <pfred1> you have to run it indian style
[23:15:30] <pfred1> once it gets going it is OK
[23:15:44] <Jymmm> stitcky axel grease =)
[23:15:49] <Jymmm> axle
[23:15:54] <Jymmm> (spindle)
[23:15:55] <pfred1> heck I have a Z-80 duil 5.25 FDD that still runs
[23:16:02] <pfred1> dual even
[23:16:08] <pfred1> it doesn't even have an HDD
[23:16:10] <Jymmm> the 486 has 3.5 and a 5.25 in it
[23:16:23] <pfred1> all this thing has is FDDs
[23:16:23] <Jymmm> hdd too and 8mb ram =)
[23:16:33] <Jymmm> dual 5.25 I hope =)
[23:16:40] <pfred1> yes it is dual
[23:16:52] <pfred1> it is a Northstar
[23:16:56] <Jymmm> os in one, app in the other, been there done that =)
[23:17:15] <pfred1> looks like it escaped off the set of Space 1999
[23:17:22] <Jymmm> lol
[23:17:45] <pfred1> I never had the heart to break it apart
[23:17:54] <Jymmm> I found the invoice of a 486 I bought many moons ago with a trident 8900.... $1100 lol
[23:18:35] <Jymmm> maybe a Pentium
[23:19:06] <Jymmm> andypugh: The problem with keeping it is storage space
[23:19:39] <pfred1> yeah I've chop shopped 2 mini computers
[23:19:52] <pfred1> I can't store those
[23:20:02] <Jymmm> It would be PERFECT for a portable CNC setup using a standard mobo, but with the MiniITX boards that you can mount on the bac of LCD's, kinda not necessary anymore
[23:20:05] <pfred1> one was a desk built in
[23:20:17] <pfred1> the desk was the computer
[23:20:34] <pfred1> it was an NEC
[23:20:50] <pcw_home> Just bought a PET 4032 at Goodwill not sure why...
[23:20:59] <pfred1> heh a pet
[23:21:17] <pfred1> the old tech was great
[23:21:26] <Jymmm> I was consolidating everything to rack mount, but even a portable rack is too tall to roll under a standard height desk
[23:21:56] <Jymmm> by like 1/2"
[23:22:26] <Jymmm> I still might, but I need to get a different 48port switch
[23:22:30] <pfred1> I was reading on hackaday the other day about a guy who made a who made an Atari POKEY sim
[23:22:40] <pfred1> http://hackaday.com/2012/06/15/putting-an-atari-pokey-in-your-pocket/
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[23:24:44] <Jymmm> 48port gig switch, network tuner, ATA, NAS, KVM, router, and two systems is a lot to stuff in a 8U rack
[23:25:12] <pfred1> I need some new network switches
[23:25:16] <Jymmm> toss in there a UPS too
[23:25:58] <pfred1> since a lineman that works for my power ocmpany moved in down my street my power has gotten a lot better
[23:26:14] <pfred1> I call him my favorite neighbor
[23:27:11] <pfred1> he brings his truck home and parks it in his yard so if there is a problem he is close by
[23:27:41] <Jymmm> andypugh: It's not really an "antique" (per-se) as it's still sold I believe http://www.trans2000.com/n9drawing.htm
[23:28:43] <Jymmm> thought the one I have is a much older version
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[23:31:59] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BSI-FieldGo-Prism-N9-Portable-Lunchbox-Portable-Computer-12-LCD-Network-Sniffer-/280872682040?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item4165510238
[23:35:35] <Jymmm> And I have the rolling cart for it too http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wheeled-Rolling-Equipment-Case-BSI-FieldGo-Prism-N9-Portable-Lunchbox-Computer-/280873117428?pt=US_Laptop_Cases_Bags&hash=item416557a6f4
[23:38:13] <pfred1> I got to use an oscilloscope that had its own rolling cart once it was really nice
[23:38:30] <pfred1> a $20,000 Hitachi I believe it was
[23:38:47] <Jymmm> Now they have em the size of a loaf of bread =)
[23:39:00] <pfred1> not that nice they don't
[23:39:32] <Jymmm> they do, just more than $20K
[23:39:59] <pfred1> adjusted for inflation that money would be more like $50,000 today
[23:40:02] <alex4nder> ok
[23:40:30] <andypugh> Jymmm: Does locate manage to find axis.py for you?
[23:40:37] <alex4nder> the jb weld patch on my table is flat within +/- ~0.0002 relative to the rest of the table
[23:40:52] <pfred1> andypugh use find
[23:40:57] <Jymmm> andypugh: im on a mac atm
[23:41:26] <pfred1> andypugh find / -name "*axis*" | grep py
[23:41:39] <pfred1> that'll dig up anything even remotely resembling the file
[23:41:40] <andypugh> That seems to hang...
[23:41:51] <pfred1> it reads your whole system
[23:42:02] <pfred1> so it will take some time
[23:42:26] <pfred1> I mean if you've some idea where it is search say /usr or home
[23:42:40] <andypugh> But I don't have any idea...
[23:42:43] <pfred1> which will happen a lot faster
[23:43:05] <pfred1> then you just have to be patient
[23:44:54] <andypugh> I am being patient
[23:45:01] <pfred1> find is funny with wildcards you need the quotes for it to work
[23:45:35] <pfred1> it is case sensitive too
[23:45:59] <pfred1> you can do this find / -name "*" | grep -i axis
[23:46:04] <pfred1> that is case insensitive
[23:46:33] <pfred1> it'll spit out anything with axis AXIS Axis etc. in it
[23:46:59] <pfred1> but you'll get buried by false hits
[23:47:05] <andypugh> I am still being patient with the first version
[23:47:31] <pfred1> how big an HDD do you have and do you have any other drives mounted?
[23:47:38] <pfred1> it'll even search network shares
[23:47:46] <pfred1> anything mouted under /
[23:48:06] <pfred1> net shares do take a while to scour
[23:48:20] <pfred1> and you probably don't want to look there anyways
[23:48:34] <andypugh> 20GB HD
[23:48:53] <pfred1> that shouldn't take long
[23:49:45] <andypugh> No, that is why I thought something seemed to be wrong.
[23:49:56] <pfred1> yeah command is right something is up
[23:49:59] <andypugh> (still not finished, or doing anything)
[23:50:17] <pfred1> ctrl+c it beats me I've used commands similar for a long time works here
[23:50:38] <pfred1> try to just search /usr and /home
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[23:50:50] <pfred1> maybe yo uran out of memory or something?
[23:51:12] <pfred1> linux can break if you run out of memory
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[23:53:16] <pfred1> find does seem to cache a lot when it runs
[23:53:37] <pfred1> like if i do a find command then run another find right after it the second one runs really fast
[23:53:52] <pfred1> so it is caching
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[23:57:35] <JT-Shop> andypugh: did you find it?
[23:58:07] <andypugh> No, not yet
[23:58:29] <JT-Shop> I found axis.tcl
[23:58:37] <JT-Shop> usr/share/axis
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[23:59:23] <andypugh> Yes. But I think there should be an axis.py
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