#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-06-20

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[00:03:11] <tjb1> Is it worth it to pay $35 more to get a brand new Rittal enclosure of the same size?
[00:04:43] <Tom_itx> that's $35 worth of bar stock you could machine
[00:05:00] <tjb1> Im thinking its going to be 50 bearings I need to make the linear carriages
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[00:14:29] <andypugh> That flashing tool is quite nice, isn't it?
[00:14:39] <andypugh> (It's all working now)
[00:15:02] <Tom_itx> oh for the mesa cards?
[00:15:25] <andypugh> Would a param-discovery 8i20 return any information about, for example, the max-current eeprom setting?
[00:15:42] <andypugh> Or are they different sorts of things?
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[00:26:00] <andypugh> Something to worry about another day.
[00:26:05] <andypugh> Night all.
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[00:45:37] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/RzqFO.jpg
[00:47:46] <r00t4rd3d> hopefully that will allow me to cut a better one
[00:47:49] <elmo40> r00t4rd3d: is that wood?
[00:47:54] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[00:48:02] <elmo40> it will help, for sure
[00:48:12] <elmo40> then get someone to send you one made out of Al ;)
[00:48:30] <r00t4rd3d> ill cut my own :)
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[01:03:02] <pcw_home> Andy (should you read this later), yes the GTOC will list the MaxCurrent EEPROM variable/scaling/address/units etc
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[01:22:50] <tjb1> Anyone ever order from ahren
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[01:24:26] <Jymmm> Got Leaves? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFSVtJbpHF8&feature=related
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[01:48:08] <Connor> Any way to use one of these with EMC ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Contour-Design-Shuttle-Xpress-Jog-Multimedia-Control-00496-0-/390422586383?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item5ae6ffe40f#ht_4222wt_829
[01:52:52] <pcw_home> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/shuttlexpress.1.html
[01:53:14] <Jymmm> Connor: no
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[01:55:12] <Connor> Jymmm: Looks like the answer is yes.
[01:55:30] <Jymmm> no
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[01:56:06] <Connor> Jymmm: Explanation ?
[01:56:10] <Jymmm> no
[01:57:18] <Connor> Jymmm: What ever dude, I'm not in the mood.
[01:57:29] <roycroft> the question doesn't matter
[01:57:35] <roycroft> the answer's always 'aye'
[01:57:54] <Jymmm> no
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[01:58:55] <Connor> pcw_home: Thanks for the link. Looks like it'll work. Looks like a neat little jog control
[01:59:25] <Connor> Tormach sells if for $80.00 or so, But, you can get it for 1/2 that.. Just doesn't have their silk screening. :)
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[02:02:08] <Jymmm> Workers Comp for carpal tunnel syndrom??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p3c9mbaZkQ&feature=related
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[02:19:20] <roycroft> what about it, jymmm?
[02:20:59] <roycroft> i'm actually fighting with my insurance company right now over a case of trigger finger
[02:21:21] <roycroft> they insist that any trigger finger or carpal tunnel condition is work-related, and that it must be claimed through worker's comp
[02:21:25] <roycroft> and they denied my claim
[02:21:33] <roycroft> i'm in the midst of the appeal process
[02:33:35] <jdhNC> medical care or disability?
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[02:36:21] <roycroft> medical care
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[02:36:34] <roycroft> i'm not claiming disability
[02:36:37] <roycroft> i just wanted it fixed
[02:37:42] <roycroft> and the treatment i got has improved the situation considerably
[02:38:12] <roycroft> i was experiencing severe pain on the inside of my elbow from the condition, and my doctor has completely eliminated that
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[02:38:34] <roycroft> the pain was such that i had lost most strength in that hand
[02:38:56] <roycroft> the tendon is still triggering in the finger itself, but it's tolerable
[02:39:03] <roycroft> and it seems to be getting better on its own
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[02:39:24] <roycroft> i wanted to see if that would happen before getting injections or surgery to correct it
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[02:48:17] <Jymmm> avoid the knife as much as possible
[02:53:59] <tjb1> I had a pilonidal cyst I had to go to a clinic and get it cut open without anything
[02:54:16] <tjb1> Well they did poke me with a needle back there…damn needle hurt worse than them cutting it
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[02:55:11] <r00t4rd3d> so you had a giant zit on your ass?
[02:55:24] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[02:55:34] <tjb1> I guess
[02:55:44] <tjb1> It was filling up…damn thing hurt so bad I couldnt sit down
[02:55:59] <tjb1> They took a cup of black stuff out of it
[02:56:58] <roycroft> that's my plan
[02:57:47] <jdhNC> http://tinyurl.com/7c6stxs
[02:57:56] <jdhNC> one of Connor's stepper covers
[02:58:58] <tjb1> piece on the back that comes up over?
[02:59:27] <tjb1> Ah, did not know there were more pictures
[03:05:24] <tjb1> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/linear-carriage-adjustment-p-100.html?cPath=24
[03:05:33] <tjb1> Anyone notice the problem in the second paragraph?
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[03:12:25] <roycroft> you mean the part about insuring your tools instead of ensuring that they're available? :)
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[03:13:33] <roycroft> or the metric-imperial bit?
[03:14:54] <tjb1> metric-imperial...
[03:15:07] <tjb1> im gonna buy 1 and make the other 7 i need
[03:15:23] <roycroft> insure/ensure mixups are one of my biggest language peeves
[03:15:33] <tjb1> Everything is metric because the bearings are metric
[03:15:41] <roycroft> and i don't get why people can't get it straight
[03:16:21] <roycroft> that's fine
[03:16:30] <roycroft> just pull out your 12mm wrench
[03:16:39] <tjb1> Well…the bolts and holes for said bolts are metric
[03:16:48] <tjb1> The part is dimensioned in imperial
[03:16:59] <tjb1> as well as every other hole is imperial lol
[03:17:04] <tjb1> the set screw is probably imperial...
[03:17:27] <tjb1> he is sneaky with his cad files
[03:17:40] <tjb1> he scales them some odd number then manually dimensions certain parts of it
[03:18:05] <roycroft> why would he do that?
[03:18:13] <roycroft> trying to keep folks from copying?
[03:18:50] <tjb1> Dunno
[03:18:59] <tjb1> I just scale them back and get what dimensions I need...
[03:19:56] <tjb1> Gonna be honest though, I am too lazy to make the rack and pinion drive so I will be buying those from him :P
[03:23:20] <roycroft> my project has sure changed since i started
[03:23:38] <roycroft> i was going to by a zen toolworks router kit and put that together
[03:23:53] <roycroft> i decided instead to just cnc my mill-drill
[03:24:00] <tjb1> What the hell is this - http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MzIyWDUwMA==/$(KGrHqZHJCIE8mU5sorBBPPStEK69!~~60_12.JPG
[03:24:10] <tjb1> How hard is that to do?
[03:24:53] <roycroft> is that a cable being sold specific for cnc controllers?
[03:25:04] <roycroft> specifically
[03:25:22] <tjb1> No I searched parallel cable on ebay and thats all that comes up
[03:25:24] <jdhNC> uhm.. how old are you?
[03:25:44] <roycroft> well it's not difficult at all to make that cable
[03:25:58] <roycroft> the centronics crimp tool that you need for it will cost you several hundred dollars, though
[03:26:16] <tjb1> I dont need that centronics end
[03:26:40] <roycroft> for a cnc controller you need a db-25 to db-25 cable with all pins connected through
[03:26:57] <tjb1> Guess I will just buy it from ahren
[03:27:05] <tjb1> Only $11 there
[03:27:07] <roycroft> a typical serial cable that uses db-25 connectors will use nine pins at most
[03:30:13] * roycroft decides to give an attempt at a heekscad/heekscnc another go tonight
[03:30:18] <Connor> monoprice.com has CHEAP cables.
[03:30:53] <Connor> m25-db to f25-db are normally called serial or parallel extension cables.
[03:30:55] <tjb1> they also have like a 3 month shipping time :p
[03:31:16] <Connor> tjb1: Since when? I always order i get stuff quick
[03:31:25] <tjb1> Last time I ordered it took forever
[03:31:33] <jdhNC> there are ieee1284 a-a cables on ebay
[03:31:42] <Connor> I uses USPS Priority when Possible.
[03:31:59] <Connor> jdhNC: I have to say, those stepper covers turned out nice.. :)
[03:32:27] <jdhNC> yep. Got Y mounted now.
[03:32:33] <roycroft> yes, but that's not what he wants, jdhnc
[03:33:00] <Connor> jdhNC: Any clearance issues with the connector or radius of the cable bend ?
[03:33:05] <roycroft> oh, wait, that standard is the interface standard, not the connector standard
[03:33:07] <roycroft> sorry
[03:33:07] <tjb1> How can you tell if all are wired?
[03:33:22] <jdhNC> ieee 1284 specifies all wired
[03:33:24] <Connor> tjb1: Read the specs.
[03:33:39] <jdhNC> you want centronics? There are lots of those also
[03:33:40] <tjb1> Thanks jdhNC
[03:34:03] <uw> roycroft, how do you like heekscnc?
[03:34:27] <tjb1> Arent much cheaper on ebay, $8 for a 6'
[03:34:28] <roycroft> uw: i played with heekscad a wee bit a long time ago
[03:34:46] <roycroft> i'm more interested in the cam code, which i've never used
[03:34:49] <jdhNC> Connor: Y clearance is pefect
[03:35:03] <roycroft> i'm attempting to install it now, but the installation notes do not seem to reflect reality
[03:35:20] <roycroft> and i've virtually no linux experience, so it's not going that well at the moment
[03:35:27] <roycroft> my unix/bsd experience does not seem to be very helpful
[03:35:30] <Connor> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10210&cs_id=1021001&p_id=384&seq=1&format=2
[03:35:30] <jdhNC> I guess I'll run the cable around the lip of the chip tray
[03:35:38] <uw> roycroft, i've never used it, but interested in comparing different cnc programs right now because I'm new and dont want to get skilled at looking a terrible system.
[03:35:52] <uw> ahh that was going to be my next question
[03:35:55] <uw> how does it work with linux
[03:36:15] <uw> looking = learning
[03:36:31] <roycroft> my recommendation, coming from one who has never operated a cnc machine before, is to learn to hand-code your gcode at first
[03:36:31] <tjb1> Need a m to m connor
[03:36:32] <jdhNC> connor: your x limit doesn't reduce Y travel?
[03:36:56] <roycroft> before you start using a cam program
[03:37:00] <Connor> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10210&cs_id=1021001&p_id=380&seq=1&format=2
[03:37:07] <Connor> jdhNC: No.
[03:37:21] <Connor> Has enough clearance.
[03:37:33] <tjb1> Thanks Connor
[03:37:36] <roycroft> it seems to me it would be difficult to evaluate cam software if you can't parse the gcode it generates
[03:37:59] <jdhNC> that's the easy part
[03:38:08] <Connor> roycroft: Not really. You can evaluate allot in just the ease-of-use.
[03:38:16] <jdhNC> getting it to generate anything is a pain in theass generally
[03:38:45] <roycroft> isn't correct, efficient machining and compatibility with your cnc controller software more imporant than ease of use?
[03:38:58] <tjb1> Does Ubuntu/LinuxCNC support touchscreen?
[03:39:04] * roycroft is not arguing, - just asking questions
[03:39:05] <roycroft> yes!
[03:39:13] <Connor> tjb1: Yes
[03:39:13] <roycroft> i have touchy working great!
[03:39:30] <tjb1> Where did you get that monitor :)
[03:39:41] <roycroft> i got my last one at the goodwill
[03:39:44] <roycroft> for $12
[03:39:47] <Connor> roycroft: Yes, it is. But, I first want easy-of-use. No need in evaluating the gcode capability if I can't use the damn thing.
[03:39:50] <tjb1> You found a touchscreen monitor at goodwill
[03:39:54] <roycroft> yup
[03:39:58] <roycroft> it is a dell
[03:40:04] <roycroft> but elo touchscreen on it
[03:40:13] <roycroft> took me all of about 2 minutes to get it working when i got it home
[03:40:22] <roycroft> 15" lcd
[03:40:32] <Connor> I have a friend who works @ elo. going to see if he can hook me up. :)
[03:40:39] <roycroft> i also have a 17" lcd elo touchscreen that i got on ebay
[03:40:45] <roycroft> that one was $40
[03:40:57] <roycroft> but it was pulled from a kiosk, so it doesn't have a back or a stand
[03:41:11] <roycroft> it's going in a custom cabinet console anyway, so that did not matter to me
[03:41:35] <roycroft> there are more of those dell touchscreens at the goodwill
[03:41:41] <roycroft> maybe i should buy them up and ebay them
[03:42:36] <tjb1> Go grab one and ship it to me :)
[03:42:59] <tjb1> Is Elo an actual screen or something that goes over an existing monitor…or both
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[03:43:11] <roycroft> i have an elo crt touchscreen monitor i bought brand new about 15 years ago for some god-awful price like $800
[03:43:14] <roycroft> it's only 15"
[03:43:27] <roycroft> i used it for development of some web-based kiosk software
[03:43:38] <roycroft> it's sitting in my attic
[03:45:04] <tjb1> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ELO-ENTUITIVE-19-TOUCHSCREEN-LCD-MONITOR-ET1915L-POS-TOUCHSCREEN-WITH-STAND-/271001881970?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item3f18f88d72#ht_2037wt_1180
[03:45:33] <roycroft> that's not bad
[03:45:39] <roycroft> it's awfully big for a cnc controller
[03:46:08] <roycroft> but i have a small shop
[03:46:16] <tjb1> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Elo-1547L-8CWE-15-Touch-Screen-Monitor-Black-/140753974104?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item20c5973358#ht_1918wt_1413
[03:46:26] <tjb1> Is that a plug and play?
[03:47:11] <roycroft> that's kind of like the 17" one i got
[03:47:19] <roycroft> it looks like the touch interface is rs-232, not usb
[03:47:32] <roycroft> which is no problem as long as you have an rs-232 port available on your computer
[03:47:47] <tjb1> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ELO-1545L-8SWC-1-15-Touchscreen-Computer-Monitor-Black-/140768179642?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item20c66ff5ba#ht_2680wt_1413
[03:47:54] <tjb1> that one uses a standard power jack
[03:48:39] <tjb1> rs232 would be the IOIOI?
[03:49:55] <tjb1> What is the headphone plug for
[03:54:42] <uw> roycroft, i've used linuxcnc and have had to edit gcode manually
[03:55:08] <uw> just looking for other systems incase i started doing the wrong thing with linuxcnc
[03:55:40] <roycroft> i'm considering solidworks/solidcam, but i don't have the cash for that right now
[03:56:08] <roycroft> and my most immediate need is to mill some pcbs, for which i'll use pcb-gcode
[03:56:33] <uw> excellent thats really i want to do too
[03:56:53] <roycroft> geda/pcb-gcode/linuxcnc is the path i'm taking
[03:58:25] <roycroft> but since i'm converting my miller and not building a dedicated pcb routing machine i need some other, general-purpose gcode-generating software
[04:01:07] <uw> wow i havent used that before
[04:01:27] <uw> ill have to try out geda
[04:01:52] <uw> i am using cadence and it's ok, but am looking for a gpl solution
[04:01:57] <roycroft> i'm still learning it, but it seems to work really well
[04:03:21] <tjb1> Hey roycroft
[04:03:41] <roycroft> yes?
[04:03:46] <tjb1> http://d3d71ba2asa5oz.cloudfront.net/43000231/images/et1515l%20(2).jpg
[04:03:56] <tjb1> What would the power jack be used for?
[04:04:20] <roycroft> possibly 12vdc directly into the display?
[04:04:33] <tjb1> I do see 12v 2.5A listed below
[04:04:38] <tjb1> Alternate power source then?
[04:04:43] <roycroft> sure
[04:04:51] <tjb1> lol
[04:04:57] <tjb1> The documentation doesnt say
[04:05:13] <roycroft> but if you want to use it, be sure you get the tip polarity correct - it doesn't appear to be marked
[04:05:46] <roycroft> and if it doesn't have a diode at the power inlet you could easily release the magic smoke
[04:07:00] <tjb1> Ah yes
[04:07:06] <tjb1> Ill just bottle it up and stuff it back in
[04:07:39] <roycroft> it won't work without the magic smoke
[04:08:31] <uw> hi roycroft again, have you milled pcbs before? Any recommendations for bits to use?
[04:08:51] <roycroft> no, i have not
[04:09:22] <roycroft> later this summer i shall have done so, and i may have a recommendation at that point
[04:09:44] <tjb1> Not a word about polarity in the manual either...
[04:09:55] <uw> ok just figured id ask
[04:10:30] <uw> tjb1, if you are one to randomly guess at a potential loss of the monitor, i would guess the center is +
[04:10:31] <roycroft> i would be very careful with it
[04:10:47] <tjb1> Ill probably just use the other plug
[04:10:53] <tjb1> once I figure out what that end is called
[04:10:55] <roycroft> i'd guess the tip is -
[04:11:02] <roycroft> either uw or i are correct
[04:11:08] <tjb1> lol really now...
[04:11:09] <uw> that maybe the better choice
[04:11:20] <tjb1> The standard plug the center pin would be ground correct
[04:11:33] <uw> unless that port is AC (which i have seen before like my NES ;)
[04:11:36] <roycroft> there is no "standard' tip polarity
[04:11:48] <tjb1> I meant the normal plug on the left
[04:11:52] <roycroft> oh
[04:11:53] <tjb1> not the dc adapter one
[04:12:07] <roycroft> the nema recepticle is ac
[04:12:10] <roycroft> so there is no negative
[04:12:26] <tjb1> ground...
[04:12:42] <roycroft> the center pin would be ground
[04:12:59] <tjb1> so maybe I could probe the center and get the ground on the dc
[04:13:36] <uw> they might not be the same ground
[04:13:41] <uw> but could be
[04:14:08] <tjb1> or…http://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Cord-for-APPLE-iMac-Flat-Panel-922-6676-922-5035-/150544973086?pt=Laptop_Adapters_Chargers&hash=item230d2dfd1e#ht_884wt_1413 boom
[04:14:51] <uw> i always like this approach; guess one and if its wrong, that electronic appliance wasn't worth of you usage anyway
[04:14:53] <roycroft> you don't want a clover plug for that
[04:15:20] <roycroft> if it were me, i'd open the thing up and trace the power connector to see if the tip is + or -
[04:15:26] <roycroft> it shouldn't be hard to tell
[04:15:32] <tjb1> Why not a clover plug?
[04:15:41] <roycroft> because that's not the connector on that display
[04:15:53] <tjb1> its not? http://d3d71ba2asa5oz.cloudfront.net/43000231/images/et1515l%20(2).jpg
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[04:16:11] <roycroft> oh, sorry
[04:16:17] <tjb1> :)
[04:16:20] <roycroft> i guess i've been looking at too many display pictures tonight
[04:16:31] <tjb1> hope I can win this one
[04:16:37] <tjb1> damn auctions :/
[04:16:54] <tjb1> and this monitor works with linux
[04:18:55] <tjb1> Found em.
[04:19:36] <uw> a linux working monitor? whoa hold on to that one!
[04:20:18] <roycroft> most touch screens with the elo interface work with ubuntu
[04:20:21] <tjb1> They have drivers for linux!
[04:20:25] <tjb1> wooooo
[04:20:40] <tjb1> Heh awesome, I will be driving to work when this ends
[04:20:46] <roycroft> if you install linuxcnc from the livecd the elo driver is already there
[04:21:04] <roycroft> you just plug it in and calibrate it
[04:21:18] <tjb1> Someone already outbid me
[04:21:22] <tjb1> I bet it was one of you
[04:21:50] <uw> >.>
[04:22:21] <tjb1> First item this person has bid on and they have bid on it 8 times...
[04:22:44] <tjb1> well that killed that, now its about the same price as a panel mount
[04:22:59] <roycroft> i already have four touchscreen displays
[04:23:17] <roycroft> i don't need another at the moment - i'll leave it for you
[04:23:35] <tjb1> Well in $4 im just gonna hit buy it now on the panel mount one...
[04:23:40] <roycroft> there is always a good supply of them on ebay though
[04:23:43] <uw> i also promise not to bid on the things you are bidding on
[04:23:44] <roycroft> you'll get one for sure
[04:24:31] <tjb1> I dont bid on things :)
[04:24:38] <tjb1> I purposely look for buy it now items
[04:28:24] <roycroft> i do whatever makes sense at the moment
[04:28:36] <tjb1> well ebay seems to have been taken over by china...
[04:28:56] <roycroft> i'm usually not in a big hurry to get things
[04:29:01] <tjb1> I hate looking for a car part
[04:29:09] <tjb1> Especially headlight related
[04:29:28] <tjb1> That will drive anyone mad, I dont care who you are
[04:29:51] <roycroft> i'd rather take my time and get a good value than make an impetuous decision
[04:30:07] <roycroft> i found that 4u rack mount enclosure a week ago, and bookmarked it
[04:30:29] <roycroft> just today i finally purchased it, having spent the past week looking at other options
[04:33:08] <tjb1> I like the bezel on the monitor that requires a power supply better than the other
[04:33:10] <tjb1> :/
[04:33:26] <tjb1> Can those be wired into a normal plug?
[04:33:51] <roycroft> it's likely 12vdc
[04:34:02] <roycroft> meant to take power from the main logic board of the computer
[04:34:53] <tjb1> Input (line) voltage: 100-240 VAC, 50-60 Hz
[04:34:53] <tjb1> Power consumption 30 W max.
[04:34:59] <tjb1> He has the description wrong then
[04:46:47] <tjb1> Goodnight
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[05:09:51] <roycroft> finally, heekscad is building
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[05:26:35] <roycroft> heekscad built, installed, and tested working
[05:26:38] <roycroft> heekscnc building now
[05:27:51] <elmo40> which version?
[05:36:13] <roycroft> the latest version
[05:37:21] <roycroft> 0.18.0, it would appear
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[07:25:20] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[07:32:01] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[14:49:20] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MYQB1NdsXA
[14:52:35] <Loetmichel> skunkworks: nette idee
[14:52:46] <Loetmichel> aber nimmt man da nicht besser ein schnellhärtendes PU?
[14:52:52] <Loetmichel> sowas wie sugru
[14:53:08] <Loetmichel> und eine FEINE düse ;-)
[14:58:19] <Jymmm> skunkworks: slick =)
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[15:02:04] <Loetmichel> so sorry, its english here...i forgot
[15:02:22] <jdhNC> de nada
[15:02:48] <Loetmichel> so: skunkworks: nice idea. But wouldnt it be better tio use a fast hardening "rubber" like Sugru and a much finder nozzle?
[15:02:52] <Loetmichel> finer
[15:05:50] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: That is not skunkworks' video.
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[15:21:24] <mazafaka> Loetmichel: 'und eine FEINE düse' <-- what, all the girls have said you are pretty nice for a white guy? ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui1tUS6Ho-c
[15:24:14] <Jymmm> heh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YQr-jDIFDE&feature=bf_prev&list=ULvjOMwEOcJbQ
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[15:33:11] <mrsun> but hey, it works
[15:33:18] <mrsun> looks like something archivist would slap together :P
[15:34:26] <Jymmm> No, it works =) I like when he basically says screw this and grabs a drill
[15:34:47] <mrsun> archivist or the one in the movie ? :P
[15:35:03] <mrsun> ahh the coordless drill to move the table :P
[15:35:10] <roycroft> the new enclosure will arrive on friday
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[15:42:07] <Jymmm> text to gcode http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-QOwYEH1Dw&feature=autoplay&list=ULlU9boknM9X0&playnext=8
[15:49:16] <Jymmm> F-Engrave - text to gcode now with v-carving, TTF, and DXF support http://home.comcast.net/~sskroch/Fengrave/fengrave.html
[15:52:26] <jdhNC> I think it is time to drive to florida.
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[15:53:47] <Jymmm> jdhNC: what's in florida?
[15:53:59] <Loetmichel> mazafaka: sorry, cant see the video
[15:54:23] <Loetmichel> "video not aviable in your contry due to copyright issues"
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[15:55:56] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: THAT could have been done by me. "the expert says it cant possibly work! ... the fool tries anyway and it works like a charm" ;-)
[15:56:12] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: "That" ?
[15:56:15] <Loetmichel> (the router mill video)
[15:56:41] <Jymmm> with the cross slide vise?
[15:56:46] <Loetmichel> that "machine"
[15:56:50] <Loetmichel> yes
[15:57:35] <Jymmm> He uses emc too =)
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[15:59:49] <Jymmm> How much of a pita is it to program a robot? alex_joni?
[16:00:26] <pcw_home> Robby: pour me a drink
[16:00:49] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I mean like a welding typr robot
[16:00:53] <Jymmm> type
[16:01:22] <pcw_home> Robby: weld me up an airframe
[16:02:04] <Jymmm> pcw_home: LIVE video, or it only happened in your halusicanagtion of your imaganiagution =)
[16:03:04] <pcw_home> Sorry just watched forbidden planet
[16:03:12] <Jymmm> lol
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[16:05:52] <Jymmm> pcw_home: That's ok, I think it's the only time I've ever seen you being silly in here =)
[16:06:35] <mazafaka> Loetmichel: they're singing a song, good song: http://www.lyrics007.com/Offspring%20Lyrics/Pretty%20Fly%20%28For%20A%20White%20Guy%29%20Lyrics.html
[16:08:34] <mazafaka> Loetmichel: I plan to reinforce the body of my SUV with a pipe, D=48mm, 4 mm walls http://uaz-room.ru/cuzova/UAZ_31512_14_karkas.jpg
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[16:26:46] <Jymmm> Anybody have a electric wire cutter? lol
[16:27:58] <Jymmm> $1800 nevermind =)
[16:30:45] <syyl_> friend built one a time ago
[16:30:49] <syyl_> for a one-off job...
[16:32:11] <syyl_> stationary, pretty heavy machine..
[16:33:37] <Jymmm> This is the $1800 USD one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0t38D11uQw
[16:33:46] <Jymmm> wire and tubing
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[16:34:57] <Jymmm> I'd love to see the inside of that thing =)
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[16:59:31] <Jymmm> WOOHOO! I find an automatic wire cutter, um.... cheap? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-6niamGsu4&feature=related
[16:59:37] <Jymmm> s/find/found/
[17:00:31] <Jymmm> Now to find an old bbq to scavage parts from
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[17:16:32] <ehippi> anyone have problem requesting lost password from the linuxcnc.org main site? I don't seem to get it work at all. Not any kind of response coming to my email, and the request page keeps reloading after hitting request button. :/
[17:16:32] <syyl_> jymmm: 1800 bucks?!
[17:16:44] <syyl_> i bet theres nothing magic in there
[17:17:26] <syyl_> feed rollers like in a mig welder, that also are used to calculate the length of the stock to be cut and some kind of shear
[17:17:28] <IchGuckLive> hi someone manged to get a obj into a iges via ubuntu
[17:17:35] <Jymmm> of course not, but they seem to have gotten it right.
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[17:28:50] <Jymmm> Does anyone do this type of metal scrollwork by chance? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/gravertom/1873rreduced.jpg
[17:29:20] <Jymmm> Maybe on a lathe instead of flat(ish) surface?
[17:29:24] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: this is all by hande
[17:29:43] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Yeah, I know :)
[17:30:31] <IchGuckLive> you can make a path out of the photo
[17:30:36] <Jymmm> I love the contrast in this one (I guess the dark is dyed?) http://www.gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Engraved_8.jpg
[17:30:37] <IchGuckLive> with gimp
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[17:31:10] <syyl_> maybe the steel is blackened and then polished over
[17:31:22] <syyl_> to give that dark engravings
[17:31:39] <Jymmm> no idea, thats why I asked if anyone does this kind of work
[17:32:14] <syyl_> unlikely ;)
[17:33:49] <roycroft> i did a little similar stuff in a jewelerymaking class years ago
[17:33:52] <roycroft> not on steel, though
[17:33:58] <syyl_> i shut up :D
[17:33:59] <roycroft> but on brass and silver
[17:34:13] <Jymmm> roycroft: by hand?
[17:34:13] <roycroft> and yes, we used bluing on the engraving and then polished it off
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[17:34:23] <roycroft> yes, by hand
[17:34:31] <Jymmm> blueing on brass?
[17:34:39] <roycroft> brass equivalent
[17:34:40] <syyl_> with the classic handengraver?
[17:34:46] <roycroft> i don't recall what the stuff is
[17:34:49] <syyl_> i have the tools, but never mastered it ;)
[17:34:52] <roycroft> it's been a long time :)
[17:35:05] <Jymmm> roycroft: that was my next question, what dye for brass
[17:35:10] <roycroft> iirc we used three-face engraving bits
[17:35:22] <roycroft> i believe they were hss, not carbide
[17:35:27] <roycroft> which for non-ferrous metals is fine
[17:35:41] <syyl_> our moldmakers use hss too, on steelmolds
[17:36:00] <Jymmm> syyl_: what kind of molds? For mold injection?
[17:36:05] <syyl_> jep
[17:36:09] <roycroft> oh, liver of sulphur
[17:36:15] <roycroft> that's what we used
[17:36:19] <syyl_> some fine details are finished by hand
[17:36:26] <syyl_> sharp corners etc
[17:36:28] <Jymmm> syyl_: You work with glass impregnated nylon by chance?
[17:36:36] <syyl_> yes
[17:36:42] <syyl_> PA6GF30
[17:36:53] <Jymmm> syyl_: is it the most flat/rigid material?
[17:37:06] <Jymmm> thermally stablest?
[17:37:09] <syyl_> we get it as sheet material 10 to 100mm
[17:37:12] <syyl_> it pretty tough
[17:37:21] <Jymmm> syyl_: toughest?
[17:37:27] <syyl_> guns are made of it...
[17:37:39] <syyl_> there are tougher materials of course
[17:37:45] <Jymmm> or is there something else to have stable flat surface part?
[17:38:01] <syyl_> the pa6gf30 sheet is anything but flat
[17:38:06] <syyl_> you have to machine it over
[17:38:33] <Jymmm> syyl_: not in pellets?
[17:38:50] <syyl_> uh
[17:38:56] <syyl_> thats out of my knowledge
[17:39:23] <syyl_> i believe we do some injection molding with glas filled material
[17:39:30] <Jymmm> syyl_: I'm not speaking of fabrication sheet stock as much have mold injecting
[17:39:50] <syyl_> damn ;)
[17:40:09] <syyl_> my world is more the maching part...
[17:41:19] <roycroft> i'm not a jewelery maker, but i thought the class would be interesting to learn how to do hand and decorative work with metals
[17:41:30] <roycroft> the skills i learned there certainly complemented my machining skills
[17:41:31] <Jymmm> syyl_: (Not now) but I have an idea on something I would need to have mold injected. The issue is I can't even begin without $10,000 USD molds, and I have nfc to designing it structurally for mold injection.
[17:41:47] <syyl_> but i know, that those glas filled materials are pretty hard on the injection mold
[17:41:53] <syyl_> pretty abrasive
[17:42:33] <Jymmm> syyl_: yeah, I bet. thats where I need to hit up someone who designs molds and potential materials to use.
[17:43:01] <syyl_> i know somebody that had build some injection molds by trynerror :D
[17:43:23] <syyl_> pretty basic, all made from aluminum, nothing ground, etc
[17:43:32] <syyl_> and he did all the maching by his own
[17:43:36] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: generating toolpath of the gun
[17:43:42] <Jymmm> syyl_: that's a big ass billet =)
[17:43:49] <syyl_> for prototyping that worked fine
[17:44:04] <Jymmm> syyl_: where you at?
[17:44:06] <syyl_> he got a few thound shot from one mold
[17:44:07] <syyl_> germany
[17:44:09] <syyl_> :P
[17:44:14] <Jymmm> you suck! lol
[17:44:22] <syyl_> thank you, sir ;)
[17:44:50] <Jymmm> syyl_: =)
[17:45:09] <Jymmm> syyl_: I might hit you up down the road
[17:45:57] <Jymmm> syyl_: *** THIS IS YOUR ONLY WARNING *** ;)
[17:46:05] <syyl_> going to germany? :D
[17:46:52] <Jymmm> syyl_: doubtful, but anything is possible. Hit you up for info, maybe questions you can ask mold designers, etc.
[17:47:20] <syyl_> go for it, maybe i can help you
[17:47:24] <syyl_> or somebody i know :D
[17:48:00] <Tom_itx> Jymmm,
[17:48:04] <Jymmm> syyl_: thanks. but this won't be for a while. Working on current project =)
[17:48:09] <Tom_itx> http://www.users.qwest.net/~kmaxon/page/side/mold_mach_137.htm
[17:48:23] <syyl_> hr
[17:48:27] <syyl_> that guy is awesome
[17:48:37] <syyl_> he was around on madmodder for some time
[17:49:12] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: http://mechmo.de/jymm.jpg
[17:50:20] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: thanks, but I would need to have this done on a REAL mold injection machine due to quantity involved. Else I'd problem think about a 3D printer, which may not be a bad idea for a prototype.
[17:50:48] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: cool =)
[17:51:05] <Tom_itx> contact wescon, they did injection molding for mary kay and other medical supplies
[17:51:18] <Jymmm> wescon?
[17:51:21] <IchGuckLive> with better photo better resault Jymmm
[17:51:31] <Tom_itx> they may have sold that branch off because it's not listed on their site now
[17:51:37] <Jymmm> ah
[17:51:55] <Tom_itx> http://www.wesconproducts.com/
[17:52:14] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Well, this is a ways down the road project. Still need to come up with $50,000 USD startup capital =)
[17:52:34] <syyl_> how many down the road projects do you have? ;)
[17:52:49] <Tom_itx> i went thru both of their plants a few years back
[17:52:55] <syyl_> or is it one big thing to take over the world..?
[17:53:26] <Tom_itx> all their stuff they still have is in one and all the other injection molded stuff ie, syringes cosmetic cases etc was on the other side
[17:53:42] <Jymmm> syyl_: Not many, but each take a lot of brain power to go from concept to shelf =)
[17:53:52] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: ah, ok.
[17:54:21] <Jymmm> syyl_: and I'm all out of brains! Mmmmm BRAINS!!!!
[17:54:42] <Jymmm> Mmmm MORE BRAINS!!!! Send more paramedics!!!!
[17:55:07] <Tom_itx> it's in the same industrial area as that other dude here on S west st with the big mill you've seen on youtube
[17:55:11] <Tom_itx> i forget his name
[17:55:16] <Jymmm> (bonus points if anyone recognizes that?)
[17:55:26] <Jymmm> Stewart?
[17:55:29] <Tom_itx> yes
[17:55:56] <Jymmm> With the frickin 6 FOOT angle iron =)
[17:56:03] <Jymmm> angle plate
[17:56:41] <Tom_itx> ?
[17:57:16] <Jymmm> You never saw it? I think it was SWPadnos that was standing next to it and it was taller than him!
[17:57:31] <Tom_itx> i don't remember
[17:57:59] <Tom_itx> KimK was working over there for a while, may still be there
[17:59:05] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[17:59:14] <Tom_itx> bak later
[18:00:00] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: what was that MASSIVELY huge mill or whatever you want to call it with the taller than you angle plate?
[18:01:07] <Jymmm> maybe jepler or cradek might know. I know JMK would, but he seems to be MIA for a while.
[18:03:09] <skunkworks> http://willepadnos.net/jmkasunich/g-and-l-table-1853.jpg
[18:03:44] <syyl_> ah, watchmakers tooling ;)
[18:03:54] <Jymmm> THATS IT! thank you skunkworks
[18:04:57] <Jymmm> skunkworks: were you there?
[18:05:41] <skunkworks> not at that time..
[18:05:53] <Jymmm> skunkworks: whos the guy in the levis?
[18:05:59] <skunkworks> stuart
[18:06:28] <Jymmm> ah, ok. And I know who the ugly sucker is =)
[18:06:40] <skunkworks> http://jmkasunich.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/blosxom/shoptask/wichita-trip-02-20-08.html
[18:06:55] <skunkworks> it was when they where working on dual loop pid
[18:07:09] <Jymmm> ah
[18:07:36] <Jymmm> man that's just massive http://willepadnos.net/jmkasunich/g-and-l-yaxis-1856.jpg
[18:08:01] <Jymmm> skunkworks: makes yours look like a tinker toy =)
[18:08:06] <skunkworks> yes :)
[18:08:13] <syyl_> uh
[18:08:40] <Jymmm> syyl_: Jes?
[18:08:53] <syyl_> nice pictures ;)
[18:09:25] <DJ9DJ> uh :)
[18:09:39] <syyl_> i love those massive 5 axis cincinatti
[18:09:56] <DJ9DJ> when can i come around and pickup that stuff? ;)
[18:09:56] <Jymmm> 2008?! I've know most of you bastards that long?! Eeeeesh
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[18:10:09] <Jymmm> DJ9DJ: the next workshop?
[18:10:52] <DJ9DJ> :)
[18:11:10] <DJ9DJ> i think i dont have enough room for all the big machines ;)
[18:11:12] <syyl_> just curious, is that video also taken there?
[18:11:13] <syyl_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35tHYaDUmZQ&feature=channel&list=UL
[18:11:20] <Jymmm> DJ9DJ: Bit of warning... FOB Witchita KS, aka BFE!
[18:11:52] <skunkworks> syyl_: yes
[18:12:23] <skunkworks> syyl_: I like to que up the video then run the slider back and forth...
[18:12:51] <skunkworks> ;)
[18:12:53] <syyl_> :D
[18:13:00] <syyl_> its just...
[18:13:08] <DJ9DJ> hrhr
[18:13:11] <syyl_> most 5 axis machines are a bit on the flimsy side
[18:13:14] <syyl_> but that thing :D
[18:13:51] <skunkworks> stuart did a ton of work on the kins for that machine to take into account the unsquare/flat/linearness of the machine.
[18:14:14] <syyl_> he calculated the machine straight?
[18:14:20] <skunkworks> yes
[18:14:22] <Jymmm> skunkworks: have you heard form jmk lately?
[18:14:29] <syyl_> cool
[18:14:32] <Jymmm> I kinda miss the bastard
[18:14:34] <syyl_> no need for scraping ;)
[18:14:37] <skunkworks> Jymmm: he was on the mailing list in the last few days.
[18:14:44] <skunkworks> so he is still around :)
[18:14:53] <skunkworks> *weeks
[18:14:57] <Jymmm> skunkworks: ah, cool. Tell him I said HI =)
[18:15:23] <Jymmm> screw it, I'll email him =)
[18:15:31] <skunkworks> heh
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[18:23:25] <Jymmm> Ok, email sent with direct link to web irc =)
[18:25:25] <Jymmm> Oh gawd, "How to make a PB&J" all over again.
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[18:44:58] <Jymmm> This Matian PB&J is funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm7iQ6zk-8o&feature=related
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[19:14:44] <Jymmm> Breadboarding wire cutter/stripper machine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fftZq_deIls&feature=related
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[19:53:30] <mrsun> http://imagebin.org/217261 http://imagebin.org/217262 base plate for my countershaft for the lathe in the making =)
[20:16:18] <syyl_> looking good :)
[20:16:23] <syyl_> you have to paint it green
[20:20:25] <mrsun> why green?
[20:20:26] <mrsun> :/
[20:20:56] <mrsun> its just a casting pattern :P
[20:23:15] <alex_joni> green is the new gray
[20:23:40] <syyl_> models that are for aluminum casting have green as color code
[20:23:41] <syyl_> :D
[20:35:24] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[20:35:32] <mrsun> syyl_, wth :P
[20:35:38] <mrsun> i paint with whatever i have available :P
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[20:35:44] <syyl_> ;)
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[20:44:29] <mrsun> the big one for the countershaft will be my biggest casting to date =))
[20:44:35] <mrsun> need to make the pattern tho
[20:44:43] <mrsun> pattern making takes time :/
[20:50:18] <mrsun> have not gotten the hang of stuff like sinking defects etc yet tho :/
[20:51:22] <syyl_> to much material in one spott, to cold, sprue to small...
[20:52:03] <mrsun> yeah, but over like 20mm or so you start to get sinking effect on almost everything dont you ? :)
[20:52:15] <syyl_> make it thinner :)
[20:52:18] <syyl_> and rib it
[20:52:59] <mrsun> this base plate casting will have about 40mm high parts (the bracket thingies for the actual countershaft) 16mm thick :/
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[20:53:17] <syyl_> you will need a very massive sprue
[20:53:36] <syyl_> to feed the mold with liquid aluminium, when it starts to cool and shrink
[20:53:52] <mrsun> i think i will need to have a raiser at each side of the part
[20:53:56] <mrsun> where its thick ? :)
[20:54:00] <syyl_> and put feeds on positions where shrinkage is likely to occure
[20:54:06] <syyl_> trynerror ;)
[20:54:15] <syyl_> and experience
[20:54:24] <syyl_> thats what i was told by a mold/casting guy
[20:54:26] <mrsun> feed in on one side where it might shrink and have a riser on the other side? :)
[20:54:37] <syyl_> yeah
[20:55:29] <syyl_> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/2011-09-25_16-03-10_353.jpg
[20:55:34] <mrsun> yeah ive got far to little experience with casting so far =)
[20:55:45] <syyl_> that two massive parts in the upper half
[20:56:02] <syyl_> they have no shrinkage errors at all
[20:56:16] <syyl_> but i had a sprue almost 40mm in diameter
[20:56:45] <mrsun> nice castings =)
[20:57:47] <syyl_> thanks :)
[20:59:34] <syyl_> but we make a lot of messups too :D
[20:59:34] <syyl_> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/2011-11-20_13-22-22_706.jpg
[21:00:07] <syyl_> on the right one, the sprue was to small and in the wrong position
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[21:11:32] <JT-Shop> syyl_: cast aluminum?
[21:11:36] <syyl_> jep
[21:12:04] <syyl_> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/P6111876.jpg
[21:12:05] <syyl_> ;)
[21:13:32] <mrsun> casting is nice
[21:13:41] <syyl_> its fun, yeah
[21:13:45] <mrsun> quite complex stuff can be made by simple means ... (a saw, some glue and sandpaper) =)
[21:14:56] <mrsun> done some messups also, but i get hollowness inside the castings :P
[21:15:13] <mrsun> looks fine on the outside, then there is a small small hole, and you look inside and its totaly hollow :P
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[21:27:53] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: NAP TIME
[21:29:05] <JT-Shop> guess again
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[21:29:28] <Jymmm> Got Parachute pants? HAMMER TIME!
[21:31:36] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Lathe O' Clock?
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[21:48:19] <mrsun> a real machinist doesnt just tell the clock, he makes the clock! :P
[21:50:36] <archivist> I have made more clocks with a soldering iron than with a machine tool
[21:51:00] <Jymmm> archivist: dumb question, but is the electronic clocks or braizing?
[21:52:06] <archivist> electronic http://www.collection.archivist.info/thumbs/archive/DJCPD/PD/2003/2003_01_23_Electronics_clock/P1080616_T.JPG
[21:52:23] <Jymmm> ah =)
[21:54:06] <Jymmm> pretentious bastards... If I'm an existing customer, I can speak to someone, if not we'll call you back.
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[23:25:09] <taiden> afternoon gents
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[23:28:18] <tjb1> hello
[23:30:16] <tjb1> http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/NewImage24.png
[23:30:19] <tjb1> thats impressive
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[23:34:42] <andypugh> Multiple Thunderbolt displays?
[23:35:57] <tjb1> That the laptop is driving 3 externals
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[23:36:05] <tjb1> 2 thunderbolt 1 hdmi
[23:36:46] <andypugh> "This makes the Retina MacBook Pro the first Mac -- other than a tower-based workstation like the Mac Pro -- to natively power four displays simultaneously."
[23:37:20] <andypugh> Though it is worth noting that they could run 8 monitors back in 1989 if you had enough NuBus slots.
[23:37:34] <tjb1> Of what resolution?
[23:37:39] <tjb1> Those are all hd monitors
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[23:37:51] <andypugh> Whatever they had back then.
[23:38:39] <tjb1> Wish I could give Apple my mbp back and get the new one
[23:38:40] <andypugh> What I am saying is that with the Olde Worlde Macs you could run as many monitors as you could install video cards for.
[23:39:16] <andypugh> The difference here is that the integrated graphics is cheerfully running 4 monitors.
[23:39:50] <tjb1> You ever price a damn ACD?
[23:40:50] <andypugh> I am talking way before ADC
[23:41:11] <andypugh> (I had an ADC monitor on my Cube)
[23:43:34] <andypugh> Night all
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