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[00:00:56] <Connor> okay, your patch is this one the manual-toolchange-with-tool-length-switch ?
[00:01:15] <mhaberler> that is in master ready to go and actually being used
[00:01:34] <Connor> explain ?
[00:01:36] <mhaberler> the 'patch' (not merged) is
http://git.mah.priv.at/gitweb/emc2-dev.git/shortlog/refs/heads/jog-while-paused-preview1
[00:02:13] <mhaberler> supported feature? just build a sim config off master, and run the example ini in there
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[00:03:54] <Connor> Well, the fact that it's under sim is confusing me for one. And for two, I don't understand what your saying config off master. I have a custom config for my machine already.. so.. I'm just trying to figure out what I need to do to add this in.
[00:05:09] <mhaberler> sorry. you need 2.6-pre - either the buildbot packages, or build by pulling the master branch from git
[00:05:17] <Connor> I think I'm running 2.5.2 or so.
[00:05:51] <mhaberler> the remap code is not in there
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[00:07:01] <andypugh> I don't know of anything that is worse in 2.6 at the moment
[00:07:01] <Connor> yea, I'm just now figuring that out..
[00:07:04] <mhaberler> which is the prerequisite for manual-toolchange-with-tool-length-switch etc
[00:07:23] <Connor> andypugh: You mean that's broken vs 2.5.2 ?
[00:07:36] <andypugh> Yes.
[00:07:37] <mhaberler> thats broken in 2.6 but not in 2.5
[00:09:00] <mhaberler> even the accidental features gene insists on having now work reproducibly ;-)
[00:09:19] <Connor> okay, so the 2.6 has everything 2.5 has and working okay, and maybe some new stuff that isn't done, or that's possibly broke, or is working
[00:09:37] <Connor> I don't want to break anything. :)
[00:10:01] <mhaberler> I am not aware on any major issue in 2.6; I use it mostly
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[00:11:32] <Connor> I may just hold off.. It's just something I'm wanting.. no big hurry for it..
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[00:12:42] <andypugh> Yes, me too.
[00:13:11] <Connor> and, hopefully, by the time it makes it in, I want need it anymore. :)
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[00:13:27] <Connor> I'll have TTS and a Power Drawbar..
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[00:17:41] <tjb1> Anyone order rack gear from Moore Gear?
[00:18:07] <mhaberler> there go my testers ;)
[00:19:08] <Connor> mhaberler: I might be able to use it on my router vs my mill.. No way to do TTS on the router.. and it would need jog and touch off way more than the mill after I get the TTS stuff
[00:19:42] <mhaberler> TTS… stands for..?
[00:20:07] <Connor> Tormach Tooling System. Quick Change via drawbar
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[00:22:03] <mhaberler> aja
[00:22:24] <andypugh> Connor: You can make your own drawbar. I did :-)
[00:23:01] <Connor> Well. I'm using a Bosh Colt router. I might do something different if I ever change out the spindle.
[00:25:11] <tjb1> this is interesting -
https://www.xhose.com/index.php?page=Home
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[00:26:20] <Tom_itx> Tape To Shape
[00:26:34] <Tom_itx> old tech
[00:30:01] <r00t-Shed> IT WORKS !
[00:30:15] <Connor> what works ?
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[00:35:35] <r00t4rd3d> my router
[00:35:44] <r00t4rd3d> i just did my first cut :)
[00:35:55] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Still, quite cool.
[00:36:19] <r00t4rd3d> uploading my pics
[00:37:27] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/vaNC2
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[00:37:51] <r00t4rd3d> i need to scale the image to my bit size or get a smaller bit but it worked
[00:39:31] <ReadError> pretty
[00:39:37] <ReadError> you need to get some different endmills :)
[00:39:48] <r00t4rd3d> i only got 2 of the same size atm
[00:39:57] <r00t4rd3d> but i can scale the image
[00:39:59] <ReadError> well i used the dremel ones for a bit
[00:40:05] <r00t4rd3d> some douche taught me how :)
[00:40:09] <ReadError> til i got my confidence up ;)
[00:40:41] <r00t4rd3d> my router ate through it like it was nothing
[00:40:53] <r00t4rd3d> i was suprised
[00:41:04] <ReadError> what kinda stuff you going to make?
[00:41:12] <JT-Shop> r00t4rd3d: cool
[00:41:20] <tjb1> Very nice r00t4rd3d
[00:42:40] <ReadError> now cut some rage faces!
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[00:44:01] <r00t4rd3d> i turned it off and ran inside :)
[00:44:30] <ReadError> what i do is have a VM running my same config
[00:44:38] <ReadError> then i can like "test" cut stuff 1st
[00:46:17] <r00t4rd3d> i set it up and took the bit out and ran it once
[00:48:10] <ReadError> well i mean after you generate some new gcode
[00:48:19] <ReadError> just to make sure it runs good
[00:48:26] <ReadError> ive got to the point now i trust it though
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[00:48:44] <tjb1> Hows your quad copter?
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[00:49:01] <ReadError> pretty much all cut
[00:49:06] <ReadError> just got some screwin together
[00:49:21] <ReadError> finishing my last jig for drilling holes in my booms now
[00:49:29] <r00t4rd3d> do rotozip bits work?
[00:51:35] <ReadError> no idea
[00:51:40] <ReadError> but you can get the dremel ball end
[00:51:45] <ReadError> and the V shaped pretty cheap
[00:51:51] <r00t4rd3d> i need to cut a dust boot asap
[00:51:57] <Connor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=162302&d=1340671657
[00:52:04] <Connor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=162304&d=1340671682
[00:52:10] <Connor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=162305&d=1340671686
[00:52:21] <Connor> Temp placement of E-Chain for the Z Axis..
[00:53:34] <ReadError> what mill is that Connor?
[00:53:43] <tjb1> G0704
[00:53:47] <Connor> Grizzly G0704
[00:53:52] <tjb1> Its on the first picture :P
[00:54:08] <Loetmichel> *tinker* ... wouldn't it be fun to construckt something the boss couldnt pay my missing sleep... its about 03:00 over here and i have to be @ the company at 08:00....
[00:54:44] <tjb1> Did you make those stepper covers Connor
[00:55:08] <Connor> Yup. Those are the ones I milled about two weeks ago.
[00:56:05] <tjb1> Thought I remembered seeing those
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[00:57:44] <Connor> I was thinking of putting something else on the covers.. Like maybe BH0704 or WH0704 (My nick name initials, or my proper name initials.) I don't go by my proper name except in legal stuff..
[00:58:14] <tjb1> Guess your name is WIlliam and you go by Bill?
[00:58:28] <Connor> Correct, except Billy not Bill.
[00:59:04] <tjb1> How much was that chain if you dont mind
[00:59:19] <Connor> Tried to go by "Will" about 15 years ago.. but.. never got use to it. :)
[00:59:35] <Connor> That was left over E-Chain for my router... let me look.. That's been a while.
[01:03:24] <Connor> Having a hard time tracking it down.
[01:03:38] <Connor> I purchased it combined with some couplers in April of 2011
[01:04:14] <tjb1> Where did you get it from?
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[01:04:27] <Connor> Ebay seller, direct (not via ebay)
[01:04:58] <tjb1> ah sketchy :)
[01:06:59] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/sch/miss_my_car/m.html
[01:07:01] <Connor> Nahh..
[01:07:50] <tjb1> Can you buy like 2 40" and patch them together?
[01:08:03] <Connor> Wasn't that sketchy. I've done that with both the E-Chain and Couplers, and my Ballscrews, linear rails and my stppers all for my router.
[01:08:06] <Connor> Yes.
[01:09:00] <Connor> I think I got 25x38 R55 x 1meter length
[01:09:03] <Connor> x 2
[01:09:06] <tjb1> Thanks
[01:09:07] <Connor> 2 of them.
[01:09:10] <Connor> for my router.
[01:09:14] <tjb1> Ill price check when I am closer to being ready
[01:09:29] <jdh> I got some really small stuff
[01:09:40] <tjb1> Ill need somewhere around 16-17' of it
[01:09:45] <jdh> amn
[01:09:48] <jdh> or damn.
[01:09:58] <Connor> dang. For what size machine ?
[01:10:02] <tjb1> 4x8
[01:10:17] <tjb1> but its about 10ft long and 6ft wid
[01:10:19] <Connor> Check linearmotionbearing2008 ebayer too.
[01:10:45] <tjb1> I didnt want to have an exact or very close to 4x8 cutting area and then spend 3 hours trying to get the stock in that area
[01:10:45] <Connor> I only ordered from this China ebayer because they had the couplers I wanted too.
[01:11:10] <tjb1> Go big or go home :)
[01:11:35] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/110739289334
[01:11:38] <Connor> Also, didn't have the sizes on ebay I was looking for.. but I knew they had to have other sizes.
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[01:12:05] <Connor> 10mmx10mm That's SMALL stuff.
[01:12:15] <tjb1> yeah
[01:12:21] <tjb1> Id only get one cable in that haha
[01:12:34] <Connor> I actually did ALLOT of research and found to true manufacture of the E-Chain and got the specifications from them..
[01:12:43] <jdh> you can fit one stepper wire and a limit switch wire easily
[01:13:26] <tjb1> The x axis chain will need to hold 3 home-limit wires
[01:13:32] <tjb1> and 4 axis wires
[01:14:25] <tjb1> 3/4"x3/4" should work
[01:14:28] <tjb1> but it would be tight
[01:17:01] <tjb1> here it is
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/469928_3926380233930_1088240025_o.jpg
[01:17:12] <Connor> Mine is .88" thick by 1.875" wide
[01:17:48] <jdh> it looks pre-sagged in the middle?
[01:19:11] <tjb1> Thats the water table
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[01:22:28] <Connor> Hmm.. having hard time reconciling what I have with what I supposedly ordered.. size that is..
[01:22:30] <tjb1> Are Ahrens rack and pinion drives reversible?
[01:23:01] <jdh> Connor: maybe they used a chinese ruler from dealextreme to measure it.
[01:23:09] <Connor> No..
[01:23:21] <Connor> It's something with the ID vs the OD of the channel.
[01:23:39] <jdh> some of the ads quote inside, some out
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[01:24:07] <Connor> I'm starting to think it was 18mm x 37mm ID
[01:24:18] <Connor> that's .7" x 1.45"
[01:24:27] <Connor> let me go check the ID.. brb
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[01:29:21] <Connor> Of good grief. one The height is the OD, the width is the ID
[01:30:42] <tjb1> 18mm inside, 37mm outside?
[01:31:47] <Connor> No. It's marked as 18x37.. I think that's the ID
[01:31:58] <Loetmichel> sooo, next PSU casing for the company done... now i should go to bed, get at least 3 hrs sleep... ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13376
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[01:32:33] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/pMu9w.jpg
[01:32:49] <tjb1> Looks nice Loetmichel
[01:32:55] <tjb1> Thats just weird r00t4rd3d
[01:33:10] <r00t4rd3d> its donald dick
[01:34:05] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/D5b5p
[01:34:18] <r00t4rd3d> "What if Disney's characters were bad?"
[01:34:22] <Loetmichel> tjb1: that was a plastic "brick" (like for a laptop) from a HP-scanner unfortunally a bit "loud" EMI-wise :-)
[01:34:40] <r00t4rd3d> I need to score some HDP
[01:34:44] <tjb1> Nice
[01:35:21] <Loetmichel> its not the first one
[01:35:39] <Loetmichel> but the company has no CNC. so i make the prototypes at home...
[01:36:15] <Loetmichel> and now the night is a BIT short... its 03:35 over here, at 07:00 the clock will ring...
[01:36:51] <Loetmichel> last week i made this, for an other scanner:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13367
[01:37:07] <Connor> tjb1: Okay. DJ18 which is their PN for 18x38x1000 R48 (R48 is the Radius). gives total height at the bend of 119mm
[01:37:27] <tjb1> What do you bend it with Loetmichel
[01:37:31] <Connor> tjb1: They sent me drawings if I can find it..
[01:37:35] <Loetmichel> had
[01:37:37] <Loetmichel> hand
[01:37:46] <tjb1> So making a U, its 119mm thick?
[01:37:57] <tjb1> You make some damn straight bends by hand :)
[01:38:08] <Loetmichel> i mill a V-slot about half the seet thickness at the bendings
[01:38:19] <Loetmichel> and then you can bend it by hand and accurately so
[01:38:42] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[01:39:18] <tjb1> Very nice
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[01:39:42] <tjb1> Can you use a 5/16 bolt with extrusions in the t slots
[01:40:06] <Connor> tjb1: Correct
[01:40:20] <tjb1> Guessing its pretty tight
[01:40:42] <Connor> 4.68" tall
[01:42:04] <tjb1> Anyone use extrusions? :)
[01:42:14] <Connor> tjb1: For what?
[01:42:19] <Connor> I've used 80/20 for some stuff
[01:42:26] <tjb1> Anything, I need to know if you can get a 5/16 bolt in the t-slots
[01:42:31] <tjb1> It says the gap is .320
[01:42:42] <Connor> which brand ?
[01:42:55] <Connor> and which series ?
[01:43:09] <Connor> If it's 80/20 then it's either 10 or 15 series
[01:43:18] <Connor> 10 being 1" 15 being 1.5"
[01:43:46] <tjb1> Well its T-slots
[01:43:54] <tjb1> but all my extrusions are either 1530 or 3030
[01:44:02] <Connor> okay, that's 15 series.
[01:44:13] <Loetmichel> tjb1: like ma grandma said one: "a lazy man isnt dumb"
[01:44:33] <WillenCMD> does anyone think i could wire both outputs of the mesa 7i39 in parallel to achieve 50v at 10A or no here is a link <
http://www.mesanet.com>
[01:44:36] <jdh> why doesn't your company invest in some cnc hardware ?
[01:44:51] <tjb1> Ha, lazy man always finds the easiest way
[01:45:10] <Loetmichel> or another one: "As a worker you can be lazy. You can be Dumb. But both gets you caught!"
[01:45:26] <Loetmichel> jdh: it will
[01:45:28] <Loetmichel> soon
[01:45:44] <Connor> as I recall, you need to use T-Nuts.
[01:45:51] <Loetmichel> we just have got some big oders
[01:45:58] <tjb1> Yes but I am concerned with the bolt I can get through there
[01:46:00] <Connor> I've not tried 5/16 bolt in it.
[01:46:08] <Connor> to bolt together >
[01:46:09] <Connor> ?
[01:46:11] <Loetmichel> so we can pay for a bit of "workshop-upgrade"
[01:46:19] <Connor> or for clamping stuff ?
[01:46:35] <tjb1> To attach the CRS for the linear system
[01:46:59] <tjb1> I am going to make a jig with drill bushings so I dont have to do it on a cnc
[01:46:59] <Connor> CRS ?
[01:47:03] <tjb1> cold rolled steel
[01:47:20] <jdh> WillenCMD: my guess is... no. That's pretty much just a guess though.
[01:47:28] <Connor> Your going to use CRS for linear rails?
[01:47:41] <tjb1> Yeah, its the cncrouterpards setup
[01:48:00] <Connor> I wouldn't use CRS for that.
[01:48:11] <Connor> I would use polished rails..
[01:48:30] <tjb1> ?
[01:48:41] <tjb1> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/extended-linear-carriage-with-abec-7-bearings-p-35.html?cPath=21
[01:49:48] <r00t4rd3d> I used aluminum rails for mine
[01:49:59] <r00t4rd3d> easier to work with
[01:50:03] <r00t4rd3d> or drill
[01:50:04] <Connor> r00t4rd3d: Yours is much smaller too.
[01:50:15] <r00t4rd3d> my mom said it was average
[01:50:19] <Valen> lol
[01:50:28] <Valen> we are looking at rails for our new mill
[01:50:32] <tjb1> This is good
[01:50:33] <tjb1> haha
[01:50:36] <Valen> thinking of using linear profile rail
[01:50:47] <Valen> its not that expensive really
[01:51:00] <tjb1> Linear rails are $0.4 per mm
[01:51:03] <tjb1> Not gonna happen
[01:51:56] <Valen> the ones I was looking at were something like $60 a meter?
[01:52:05] <Valen> rated for 1.5 tonnes ;->
[01:52:22] <Loetmichel> the rails are relatively cheap
[01:52:25] <Connor> tjb1: How long do you need ?
[01:52:33] <Loetmichel> the sleds are the expensive part ;-)
[01:52:38] <tjb1> 10ft
[01:52:45] <Connor> total or per side ?
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[01:53:30] <tjb1> per side
[01:53:47] <Connor> THK or supported rail.. but.. 10' per side is allot
[01:53:51] <Valen> HGR15R HG RAIL SIZE 15 $85.00 per meter
[01:53:51] <Valen> HGH15CA Z0C BLOCK HG 15 NARROW BLOCK $48.00 net each
[01:54:03] <Valen> HGR20R HG RAIL SIZE 20 $90.00 per meter
[01:54:04] <Valen> HGH20CA Z0C BLOCK HG 20 NARROW BLOCK $55.00 net each
[01:54:51] <tjb1> A lot of people use the CRS setup
[01:56:52] <Loetmichel> i dont like the cold rolled steel mehtod: not really straight, to much ball bearings per sled, to flexible and over-dertermined.
[01:58:02] <Loetmichel> a hardened and precision ground round supported rail and sleds with 6 or 8 ball bearings are much more straight, precise and not more expensive
[01:58:23] <Loetmichel> so, now i WILL go to bed... for three hours
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[02:00:37] <Connor> http://stores.ebay.com/linearmotionbearings?_trksid=p4340.l2563
[02:01:05] <Connor> email those people and check on supported rail..
[02:01:56] <tjb1> its $74 for 14"
[02:02:52] <Connor> It's cheaper the more you get..
[02:04:11] <Connor> The other option is to look into linear motion stuff from 80/20 since your using 80/20.
[02:04:26] <Connor> Dinner Time.
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[02:18:13] <uw> hi does anybody know of any routines to create a moon surface finish on a piece or area?
[02:18:24] <uw> similar to this
http://www.hymanltd.com/search/showFullImage.asp?stockno=4148&suffix=_13
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[02:19:11] <uw> lol theres that tjb1 guy again
[02:20:03] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, you still here?
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[02:26:53] <Valen> looks like some kind of repeated plunge mill would be my guess
[02:27:03] <Valen> uw
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[02:34:40] <r00t-Shed> anyone good with pycam?
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[02:35:32] <ReadError> cuttin
[02:35:33] <ReadError> whats up
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[02:36:01] <r00t-Shed> how i open the axis.ngc in pycam?
[02:36:15] <r00t-Shed> or do i have to export it from lincnc?
[02:36:21] <ReadError> ya
[02:36:27] <ReadError> generate and export visible
[02:36:31] <ReadError> oh wait
[02:36:33] <ReadError> nm
[02:36:36] <ReadError> u going backwards
[02:36:44] <ReadError> yea might be able to open the ngc
[02:36:47] <ReadError> never done it that way
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[02:37:03] <r00t-Shed> it wont open in pycam
[02:38:35] <ReadError> use an image
[02:38:49] <ReadError> i dont know if you can go from gcode -> image
[02:40:09] <r00t-Shed> can i make the LinuxCNC example bigger in the program itself?
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[03:21:22] <r00t-Shed> 1/4 inch is .0825?
[03:21:59] <r00t-Shed> nvm
[03:23:59] <r00t-Shed> so Filtering takes forever....
[03:24:15] <tjb1> 1/4 inch is .250
[03:24:24] <r00t-Shed> yeah
[03:24:40] <r00t-Shed> i found an online converter :)
[03:24:54] <tjb1> Ah a metric person :)
[03:25:01] <r00t-Shed> nope
[03:25:09] <tjb1> ?
[03:25:27] <r00t-Shed> i really wanted to know 1/8 but i typo
[03:25:32] <tjb1> .125 :P
[03:25:32] <roycroft> 1/4 inch is actually 0.250" :P
[03:26:19] * roycroft had the leading zero bit drummed into his head so much when he was first studying science that he is incapable of omitting it, even if he tried to do so intentionally
[03:26:40] <tjb1> What size is a 13mm nut?
[03:26:48] <tjb1> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=142256&d=1316398216
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[04:46:02] <samkan> Do i need to use Z axis If i wants to use engraving?
[04:46:49] <samkan> I want to do engraving using inkscape gcode tools, it generates gcode file with Z value, do i will need support of Z axis?
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[06:51:13] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[07:59:57] <samkan> Hi
[08:00:07] <samkan> need guidance on engraving
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[08:17:26] <archivist> samkan, so ask :)
[08:18:19] <archivist> samkan, how will you lift the cutter without a Z
[08:21:50] <samkan> i show the demo of laser cut software with a chinese laser with X and Y axis, it do engraving
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[08:22:05] <samkan> lasercut has option to cut from the boundry
[08:22:20] <samkan> do emc2 can do this?
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[08:45:58] <archivist> samkan, people are using emc2/linuccnc for laser cutting
[08:47:10] <Jymmm> ALL lasers require a Z axis to focus the beam for engraving. Just some of them do it manually.
[08:47:49] <archivist> it will cut/engrave from where you control it, so yes
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[09:08:25] <samkan> ok
[09:08:44] <samkan> but I am wondering how the lasercut people do it !!
[09:20:00] <samkan> how about something like filling?
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[09:23:24] <mrsun> my first successfull melt of cast iron!
[09:23:33] <mrsun> in a crucible not made for it, and with far to thick walls :P
[09:23:44] <mrsun> but still, got a small amount molten in the oil fired furnace =)
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[09:24:59] <Valen> sweet
[09:25:10] <Valen> cast iron casting cool
[09:25:26] <Valen> bah too many word streams going on at the moment in my head
[09:28:12] <mrsun> http://imagebin.org/218075 http://imagebin.org/218076 http://imagebin.org/218078 (the little gray splatter is the cast iron i managed to melt, but atleast it was molten! :P
[09:29:59] <Valen> which grey spatter lol?
[09:30:20] <mrsun> on the last picture, in the middle of the black mess :P
[09:30:22] <Valen> ahh multiple pictures nvm
[09:30:50] <mrsun> tested it with magnet and its magnetic so has to be the cast iron :P
[09:31:25] <mrsun> i like the mod of the furnace but its to high + to narrow for the oil burner
[09:31:38] <mrsun> should make a smaller one that isnt as high and a bit wider
[09:36:55] <Valen> fun fun fun
[09:37:18] <mrsun> strangley the lining still holds up, its made from 1300 degree C furnace cement and vermaculite
[09:37:33] <mrsun> should have melted .. or im just at 1200 - 1250 degrees ...
[09:37:47] <mrsun> dont think it will be enough for casting with it :/
[09:38:31] <mrsun> 1175 - 1290 degrees melting point depending on how much carbon i guess
[09:41:49] <mrsun> 1340 degrees pouring temperature
[09:41:55] <mrsun> for thickwalled castings
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[09:56:20] <TekniQue> mrsun: is that an oil furnace?
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[10:46:04] <mrsun> 2nd melting attempt ... 640grams of cast iron successfully cast! =)
[10:46:24] <JT-Shop> got a photo of that?
[10:48:13] <mrsun> http://imagebin.org/218227 fresh out of the "mold" (just a pit in some oil bound sand :P)
[10:48:13] <mrsun> http://imagebin.org/218229 the lump =)
[10:48:15] <mrsun> picture on camera sucks :/
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[10:49:05] <JT-Shop> how the heck did you get it hot enough to pour?
[10:49:29] <mrsun> just heated it
[10:49:34] <mrsun> let the furnace rip =)
[10:49:46] <JT-Shop> gas furnace?
[10:50:36] <mrsun> oil
[10:50:46] <mrsun> http://imagebin.org/218075 http://imagebin.org/218076 http://imagebin.org/218078
[10:50:47] <mrsun> first pictures i took =)
[10:50:53] <mrsun> modified my gas furnace
[10:51:01] <mrsun> house heating oil
[10:51:40] <mrsun> 40 minutes from cold to molten
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[10:51:57] <JT-Shop> neat
[10:52:41] <mrsun> so now im in the iron casters club =)
[10:52:42] <mrsun> yeey
[10:53:05] <mrsun> should have waited a tad bit longer, as i can see in the surface that the melt wasnt quite hot enough =)
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[10:55:03] <mrsun> lump looks like an iron meteorite, first time ever casting iron so dont know if i need flux etc etc :P
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[10:58:45] <JT-Shop> hey, gotta start somewhere
[10:58:53] <mrsun> yeah =)
[10:58:59] <mrsun> now its only uphill from here i hope :P
[11:00:04] <JT-Shop> or downhill depending on how you look at it... I assume getting melted cast iron as the biggest hurdle
[11:02:03] <JT-Shop> is that burner just a home heating oil furnace burner?
[11:02:15] <mrsun> yes i guess you call it that
[11:02:52] <JT-Shop> be like chicken lips around here... no one uses oil furnaces around here
[11:03:31] <mrsun> but they are good =) relights by themselfs etc =)
[11:03:33] <mrsun> love em
[11:03:43] <mrsun> and not as high a roar as the gas burner i have
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[11:09:16] <mrsun> some more experimentation and hopefully i can up the amount of iron being melted, tho if it takes 40 minutes for 640 grams ... it would take a heck of alot longer for like 2kg :P
[11:09:46] <Valen> depends on how efficent everything is
[11:09:53] <Valen> i'd say probably not drastically longer
[11:10:01] <mrsun> hmm ok =)
[11:10:28] <mrsun> well might be true, as when you finaly get the furnace fully up to temperature that holds alot of stored energy also and not eating as much energy =)
[11:10:52] <mrsun> and with this i might be able to make wootz also!
[11:11:51] <Valen> also you will have the same amount of heat coming out the top of the furnace
[11:21:31] <mrsun> and now i know for a fact that i can do brass and bronze in the furnace also =) thats also cool =)
[11:24:31] <Valen> new tools that are general purpose are always awesome
[11:25:05] <mrsun> mm =)
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[11:56:26] <mrsun> might just have to go and cast a couple of brass gibs for the mill :P
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[13:42:13] <mrsun> airbag hack worked also, yeey me =) now the airbag lamp works as it should =)
[13:54:41] <ReadError> wonder what happend to ThadiusB ?
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[13:57:21] <mrsun> he also hacked airbag system and then disapeared? :P
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[14:20:46] <delkin> While I'm doing the step-by-step config I got this error: 'RTAPI: ERROR: Unexpected realtime delay on task1' Does anyone have a clue?
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[14:31:58] <pcw_home> did you run the latency test on your CPU?
[14:45:20] <ReadError> airbag hax?
[14:45:35] <ReadError> delkin: sounds like you got the latency set too low
[15:03:43] <anonimasu> mrsun: tell us how it goes to cast iron
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[15:55:43] <UnderSampled|phn> Hello
[15:56:08] <UnderSampled|phn> How do I set how fast G0 goes?
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[15:56:45] <Connor> G0 goes Max Velocity of each Axis.
[15:56:58] <Connor> If I recall correctly.
[15:57:12] <Connor> You can use the slider in AXIS to limit the Max Velocity.
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[15:59:18] <UnderSampled|phn> Oh
[15:59:35] <Connor> G0 is for Rapids.
[15:59:36] <UnderSampled|phn> Oh, thanks
[16:00:16] <Connor> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#_g0_rapid_motion_a_id_sec_g0_a
[16:00:50] <Connor> G1 can move the machine the same as G0, but, has the option of having a feed rate specified at the end.
[16:00:57] <Connor> What are you trying to do ?
[16:01:45] <JT-Shop> at the end?
[16:02:40] <Connor> G1 Xnn Ynn Znn Fnnn
[16:02:47] <Connor> Guess it can go anywhere.
[16:03:07] <Connor> He can scroll down from that link and read about G1 too. :)
[16:05:43] <JT-Shop> oh the end of the G code line... it can be anywhere on the line or before the line
[16:07:28] <jdh> UnderSampled: where are you?
[16:08:21] <UnderSampled|phn> NC
[16:08:25] <Connor> [email protected]
[16:08:42] <jdh> where in NC? I'm in Wilmington
[16:08:44] <Connor> Was gonna say.. in NC in his house. :)
[16:09:26] <jdh> nc.res is mid/rtp NC?
[16:09:31] <UnderSampled|phn> I was thinking my machine war set too fast, but didn't want to have to go to the config
[16:09:38] <UnderSampled|phn> Cary
[16:10:09] <JT-Shop> use the max velocity slider to slow it down
[16:10:14] <UnderSampled|phn> Ok
[16:11:29] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[16:12:26] <UnderSampled|phn> Now.'m finding that it has more jitters at slower speeds
[16:12:31] <UnderSampled|phn> How do I have the gcode pause automatically?
[16:14:15] <JT-Shop> pause for a time or until you say go?
[16:21:30] <UnderSampled|phn> until I say go
[16:22:25] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/m-code.html#_m0_m1_program_pause_a_id_sec_m0_m1_a
[16:23:04] <Loetmichel> just write m01 somewhere in your code where you want to stop for user action
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[16:41:00] <anonimasu> m00 is better as it's non conditional
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[16:41:51] <Tom_itx> ok, now i get a 'growling' from the Y axis
[16:42:00] <Tom_itx> it all appears to be wired right
[16:42:17] <Tom_itx> will diagnose later on
[16:42:58] <Tom_itx> M1 is for lazy operators, M0 is for lazy programmers
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[16:43:33] <anonimasu> then what would you do, have your non atc machine continue with the same drill to rough out a pocket :p
[16:44:03] <mrsun> anonimasu, good? :P
[16:44:04] <Tom_itx> M0 forces the operator to push a button
[16:44:10] <Tom_itx> M1 gives him the option
[16:44:20] <anonimasu> toolchanges are not optional :)
[16:44:25] <Tom_itx> umm
[16:44:31] <Tom_itx> if it is the same tool it is
[16:44:50] <anonimasu> well, you dont spit out a toolchange for the same tool with a diff op
[16:44:50] <Tom_itx> i used that on my mill before i had linuxcnc installed because it didn't support M0 M1
[16:45:09] <Tom_itx> but it would stop for a same tool change
[16:45:34] <anonimasu> I keep a m01 after every op for verifying that they are correct
[16:46:06] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/control6.jpg
[16:46:09] <Tom_itx> mostly wired now
[16:46:26] <Tom_itx> need to wire the db25 for the pendant still
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[16:47:05] <mrsun> redid the furnace some (cut off about 2 inches for you imperial people or 50mm for you metric people) and man does it get hot ....
[16:47:17] <mrsun> melted ALOT faster =)
[16:47:27] <mrsun> didnt take time but it did not take as long time as last time :P
[16:50:23] <mrsun> but im burning up the burner "nozzle" :P
[16:52:29] <mrsun> http://imagebin.org/218478 <-- one more test casting while test melting =)
[16:55:18] <Tom_itx> what are you planning to make?
[16:56:00] <syyl> looks like a heart ;)
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[16:56:23] <mrsun> that is a small paperweight :P
[16:56:28] <mrsun> or whatever i should call it =)
[16:56:43] <mrsun> Tom_itx, with the melting ? .. dont know ... always come up with something =)
[16:56:46] <Tom_itx> make JT-Shop some cannon balls
[16:58:08] <IchGuckLive> is there a Trick to set all G5X to G53 after Homing so to clear all
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[16:59:07] <syyl> when you can cast metal
[16:59:09] <IchGuckLive> i am working on a new leason on part zewro after yesterdays O call discussion
[16:59:15] <Jymmm> mrsun: Is the "black heart" for you gf/wife?
[16:59:31] <mrsun> do not have a gf anymore :/
[16:59:35] <Jymmm> mrsun: If so, I hope you've remodeled the dog house
[16:59:36] <syyl> any new construction of yours will be made of casting :D
[16:59:48] <mrsun> Jymmm, why ? :)
[16:59:55] <mrsun> its a beautifull piece of art =)
[17:00:08] <Jymmm> mrsun: If you give her a black heart???
[17:00:31] <syyl> my ex girlfriend would have loved it
[17:00:34] <mrsun> if they are so stupid if i give them a heart in cast iron that they throw me out to the dog house its bye bye to them
[17:00:50] <mrsun> nothing says love more then in iron cladding :p
[17:00:51] <Jymmm> mrsun: I think I might know why you dont have a gf =)
[17:01:38] <Jymmm> mrsun: Now, had you given her a lump of coal under high temp/pressure, she might have thought differently =)
[17:02:18] <Jymmm> mrsun: not a 10lb paper weight
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[18:03:45] <Jymmm> very cool
http://www.fastcodesign.com/1670138/10-of-the-years-most-amazing-science-photos#9
[18:04:32] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: nonconstructiv
[18:04:43] <Jymmm> ?
[18:04:55] <IchGuckLive> abstract
[18:05:24] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: wait till you see the anti-diarea crystal
[18:07:50] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm
http://mechmo.de/Bild-91.png:
[18:07:57] <IchGuckLive> this is constructiv
[18:08:26] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: and your point is?
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[18:09:48] <IchGuckLive> Dot at all
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[18:13:49] <gmagno> hey, I just bought a TB6560 driver board and 3x NEMA17 motors. I'm using StepConf Wizard to test the equipment. On the X Axis Configuration menu I do the axis test but with no success. I mean, I can hear that typical sound of a motor rotating, but none of the shafts rotate... Do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong?
[18:14:04] <gmagno> I'm also following this guy procedure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiXjSZ3tIr0
[18:14:37] <gmagno> I can also feel the motors getting a bit hot
[18:15:13] <archivist> getting very warm is ok
[18:15:48] <gmagno> hmm ok
[18:15:52] <archivist> when mounded on the machine the machine acts as a heatsink
[18:15:54] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: put base to 25000
[18:15:58] <archivist> mounted
[18:16:06] <IchGuckLive> put step and space to 5000
[18:16:22] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: and the dir to 20000
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[18:16:43] <IchGuckLive> also did you connect it accurate+
[18:16:53] <IchGuckLive> A+A- B+ B-
[18:17:03] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, absolutely!
[18:17:15] <IchGuckLive> i guess you did not modyfy th tb6560
[18:17:37] <IchGuckLive> so put current to 50Percent
[18:17:59] <IchGuckLive> and others to fast and Halfstep
[18:18:28] <IchGuckLive> as the steppers only stall i gues its the motorwirering
[18:18:52] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, erm... I'm using the same current confs, 1/16, 75%current and decay 25%
[18:18:55] <IchGuckLive> you need to disconnect the power and the Parport for Setting the Switches
[18:19:05] <IchGuckLive> Decay 100
[18:19:20] <IchGuckLive> 1/2 halfstep
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[18:19:52] <IchGuckLive> as i said with all power sdisconnected otherwise it will break the board
[18:20:32] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, :S I'm not disconnecting parport to switch the DIP... fuck!
[18:20:37] <delkin> can you break the board if the parallel port is connected?
[18:20:50] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, not happening anymore
[18:21:01] <gmagno> sry for the f word
[18:21:54] <IchGuckLive> i got 30 education mashines with ZENS board i did F--- alot in the startup
[18:22:33] <IchGuckLive> as the Datasheet Sais only with disconnected Power and parport otherwise the TB will head up
[18:22:37] <gmagno> :D
[18:23:17] <IchGuckLive> no since i modified from Packet nothing since 1year already
[18:23:54] <gmagno> checking the motors wiring once again
[18:24:41] <IchGuckLive> can you disconnect them from the Board and then take a meter to messure up the Ohm
[18:25:19] <archivist> gmagno, set slower acceleration and lower the top speed till you get it running
[18:25:28] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, gonna do that4
[18:27:35] <IchGuckLive> speed is to calculate as max to 100RPM of the steppers and acelleration on 2 Leadscrew Rotation for the start
[18:28:51] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, it's about 3ohm each coil (if I shunt the probes I get 1.2ohm, so I believe it's not bad, right?)
[18:31:24] <IchGuckLive> yes yo do not messhure anything between A+ and the B+,- as the same as A- nothing to B+,-
[18:32:05] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, yup. Both coils are isolated
[18:32:41] <gmagno> I'm going back to the wizard and do those params changes
[18:32:47] <anonimasu> http://ah.io23.net/ul/files/Screen%20Shot%202012-06-26%20at%2020.29.54%20.png random motor mount
[18:32:49] <IchGuckLive> so what speed dis you select did you try to start from 5 and acceleration 6
[18:32:51] <anonimasu> :)
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[18:34:24] <JT-Shop> yea, make them cannon balls about 1 3/4" in diameter
[18:35:12] <anonimasu> ?
[18:35:40] <JT-Shop> <mrsun> or whatever i should call it =)
[18:35:41] <JT-Shop> <mrsun> Tom_itx, with the melting ? .. dont know ... always come up with something =)
[18:35:41] <JT-Shop> <Tom_itx> make JT-Shop some cannon balls
[18:35:59] <anonimasu> ah hehe
[18:36:11] <anonimasu> then the dreaded y axis left for my machine after tomorrow
[18:36:13] <mrsun> JT-Shop, shipping will be quite expensive :P
[18:36:15] <JT-Shop> I need to make a lead mold for the cannon balls
[18:36:30] <mrsun> and i do not work in inches
[18:36:30] <mrsun> ;P
[18:36:31] <JT-Shop> can you email them to me?
[18:36:35] <anonimasu> custom ballnut mount and shit since it has to fit in the center
[18:36:43] <anonimasu> mrsun: it dosent work even in sweden :/
[18:36:59] <anonimasu> mrsun: i have inch stuff arriving all the damn time, and its a pain in the ass
[18:37:49] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, I'm using max vel: 60mm/s and max acc: 400mm/s/s. What would you suggest?
[18:38:21] <JT-Shop> mm is the easy way out 1+1=2 what is 13/64" - 9/32" quick in your head lol
[18:39:04] <gmagno> interesting, one of my 3 motors is not warm...
[18:39:13] <anonimasu> well, thats -5/64
[18:39:15] <anonimasu> :p
[18:39:26] <JT-Shop> :)
[18:39:40] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: start with 6mm/s
[18:39:46] <mrsun> gmagno, does it stand still most of the time? :)
[18:40:43] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, ok. mrsun the shafts dont turn at all
[18:41:10] <mrsun> oh none is moving and only one motor is not getting hotter ?
[18:41:25] <gmagno> now I don't even hear that typical sound of the motors when I press one of the arros
[18:41:28] <gmagno> arrows*
[18:41:36] <gmagno> mrsun, that is correct
[18:41:40] <mrsun> hmm
[18:41:48] <mrsun> different settings on the driver? :)
[18:41:52] <mrsun> current settings etc
[18:41:55] <gmagno> mrsun, wait it is a bit warm now
[18:42:08] <gmagno> mrsun, same settings
[18:42:28] <mrsun> might be a fluke of nature then .. is it steppers? :)
[18:42:37] <mrsun> they should not get worm when standing still with good drivers =)
[18:42:51] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, ok, if I increase the acc I can hear now the sound
[18:43:24] <gmagno> mrsun, this (
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3axis-Nema17-stepper-motor-78oz-in-CNC-kit-3A-driver-board?item=300654822440&cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D159989555669286571) is the kit I'm using
[18:44:24] <mrsun> Using RC +7414 automatic semi-flow,the current automatic reduce when stepper motor stop to down the heat <- seems it got half current atleast
[18:44:27] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, which acc do you suggest?
[18:44:34] <mrsun> or something similiar
[18:44:48] <mrsun> gmagno, stepper differently mounted then the others ?
[18:44:59] <mrsun> like bigger surface area of the mounting plate or something =)
[18:45:18] <gmagno> mrsun, I checked that. THey are correctly mounted
[18:45:25] <gmagno> motors are really warm now
[18:45:41] <gmagno> specially one of them
[18:45:43] <mrsun> you havent set the current to high for the motors then ? :)
[18:46:15] <gmagno> mrsun, no, I set to 50%
[18:46:35] <gmagno> should I set to 100%??
[18:47:17] <mrsun> gmagno, well how are your steppers connected? . . parallel or serial ? :)
[18:47:19] <gmagno> is it too bad to make this tests with only on motor connected?
[18:47:20] <mrsun> to start with
[18:47:47] <mrsun> ahh its 4 lead motors?
[18:47:50] <mrsun> not 8 :)
[18:47:52] <gmagno> exacly!
[18:48:03] <gmagno> mrsun, it's easy, even for me :D
[18:48:07] <mrsun> then the maximum current is 1.8A ...
[18:48:21] <mrsun> do not know the settings of that board?
[18:48:28] <mrsun> is there a guide ors omething for it? :)
[18:49:19] <gmagno> mrsun, there is, but it is BS... :/ I'm using it just to know how to set the DIP switches
[18:50:00] <mrsun> so you get % of maximum current i guess then, and 50% should be from 3.5A 1.75A for the motor and that should be right
[18:50:07] <gmagno> I mean, there are tables in that document saying what each combination corresponds to in terms of current, decay and resolution
[18:51:10] <Jymmm> Realize that usually the current percentage is typically HOLDING torque
[18:51:35] <Jymmm> when idle
[18:52:08] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: only one motor connected is very bad
[18:52:23] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, hmm ok, not gonna do that then
[18:52:41] <IchGuckLive> the paper that coes with the board does it clear to connect all the motors bevor powerup
[18:52:41] <mrsun> gmagno, how much voltage do you have ?
[18:53:02] <gmagno> mrsun, it is funny now that you talk about that. Because they do the calculations in order to 2.5Amp, not 3.5A as specified on ebay website
[18:53:23] <gmagno> mrsun, Power supply? It is a 12V 10A
[18:53:31] <mrsun> still at 2.5Amp at 50% you do not go over the limit for the stepper =)
[18:53:33] <mrsun> oki
[18:53:36] <IchGuckLive> Nema 17 its ok
[18:54:18] <IchGuckLive> for setting once more all power and parport disconnect
[18:54:52] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, it is brained coded already =) Not gonna do that error again
[18:55:39] <IchGuckLive> hopfull it is all in wright shape it coudt be broken already
[18:56:04] <gmagno> using more that the 1.8A should b bad for the motor, right? So, I should not use 100%*2.5A, right?
[18:56:08] <IchGuckLive> no black parts on the downside power pins of the tb
[18:56:22] <IchGuckLive> yes
[18:56:39] <IchGuckLive> you cand have a 2,5 or did you order it spacelly
[18:56:50] <IchGuckLive> it is all 3.5A
[18:56:53] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, the motors are 1.8A
[18:57:12] <IchGuckLive> you can only set 50% so 1.75
[18:57:19] <gmagno> the documentation does the calculations with 2.5A. But the ebay website says 3.5A max
[18:57:20] <gmagno> :P
[18:57:22] <IchGuckLive> it is ok
[18:57:26] <gmagno> ok
[18:57:35] <IchGuckLive> put the other steppers on
[18:57:42] <IchGuckLive> 3 i guess
[18:57:57] <IchGuckLive> do you got the red or the blue board
[18:58:08] <gmagno> blue board
[18:58:25] <IchGuckLive> so FR 304 mounted as Diodes
[18:58:26] <gmagno> this is exacly my board:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3axis-Nema17-stepper-motor-78oz-in-CNC-kit-3A-driver-board?item=300654822440&cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D159989555669286571
[18:59:01] <IchGuckLive> i know it
[18:59:05] <IchGuckLive> B) :D
[18:59:09] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[18:59:11] <gmagno> :D
[18:59:51] <IchGuckLive> are the led on if you connect Parport without power connect
[19:00:05] <gmagno> no
[19:00:28] <gmagno> I mean, without running linuxcnc
[19:00:55] <gmagno> Im not sure if running linux cnc would turn LED on, but no for sure, right?
[19:01:24] <IchGuckLive> you are checking all on the Axis that is configured or did you check the axis plugs
[19:02:07] <IchGuckLive> if you change things on X and the stepper is on Y it shoure will do nothing
[19:02:08] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, er.... I'm not sure I understand
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[19:02:37] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, I have all motors connected
[19:02:38] <IchGuckLive> put all 3 steppers on and then check again from all power up
[19:02:49] <IchGuckLive> ok
[19:02:57] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, I never plugged them off, as you told me not to
[19:03:35] <IchGuckLive> so if you hit the F1 F1 combie on Axis are the driver stages going noicy as there is stioll the 100pf on the board
[19:03:48] <IchGuckLive> F1 F2
[19:04:18] <IchGuckLive> 1000pf to be correct on this hint
[19:04:29] <IchGuckLive> i runn mine on 150pf
[19:04:45] <IchGuckLive> and i did also change the FR to UF5406
[19:05:48] <IchGuckLive> the FR304 does need 1000ns to be reset the UFS only 50ns
[19:06:50] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, er.... I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about :S
[19:07:05] <IchGuckLive> Zen board modification
[19:07:08] <gmagno> where should I hit F1 F2?
[19:07:15] <IchGuckLive> to get the best out of it
[19:07:27] <IchGuckLive> in linuxcnc axis after stepconf
[19:07:57] <gmagno> by after you concluing stepconf wizard or still in stepconf wizard?
[19:08:03] <gmagno> mean*
[19:08:13] <IchGuckLive> gman where are you from im sitting in Germany near the French boarder
[19:08:29] <IchGuckLive> after concluding wizard
[19:08:30] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, I'm in Portugal
[19:09:01] <IchGuckLive> go thru stepconf and try it in linuxcnc
[19:13:43] <gmagno> btw, I've also bought this kit (
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251086998347&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:GB:1123) if you think it should be easier to configure this one please tell me
[19:15:09] <IchGuckLive> igot the second one and they run perfect
[19:16:56] <mrsun> hmm, is cast iron castable in greensand ?
[19:18:18] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, do you use the same params you just told me to use with the my first one?
[19:19:14] <gmagno> could you please send me your stepconf file please? :)
[19:20:32] <IchGuckLive> im not having a mashine here
[19:20:44] <IchGuckLive> but wait i can check
[19:20:54] <gmagno> :)
[19:20:59] <IchGuckLive> USB stick
[19:21:00] <gmagno> there is hope
[19:21:28] <gmagno> :D what?
[19:21:29] <gmagno> [email protected]
[19:21:46] <JT-Shop> ouch!
[19:23:48] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: got mail B:
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[19:24:31] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, got it :D thanks a lot!
[19:28:40] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: there is the homing inside
[19:30:00] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, I'm trying to figure out how to use all these conf files. I was expecting a "something.stepconf" (im really noob with this... :-/)
[19:31:02] <IchGuckLive> no its the INI and the HAL thats alll about
[19:31:09] <IchGuckLive> open the hal
[19:31:21] <IchGuckLive> vheck parport pins
[19:31:47] <IchGuckLive> net xstep net xdir ... if the pins match yours
[19:32:03] <mrsun> anyone here that has done iron casting before? :)
[19:32:23] <JT-Shop> just you :)
[19:33:50] <mrsun> need advice on crucibles etc =)
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[19:36:20] <hive8> how many people speak german here
[19:37:49] <jdh> nein
[19:37:55] <jdh> or maybe ten
[19:38:08] <hive8> neun oder zen
[19:38:08] <jdh> s/had/blew/
[19:38:09] <hive8> haha
[19:38:42] <jdh> there are quite a few. Ask the real question and see if anyone answers!
[19:38:51] <hive8> just asking i am orginal from zuerich
[19:39:04] <hive8> switzerland
[19:39:17] <IchGuckLive> servus hive
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[19:39:20] <hive8> but now live in LA
[19:39:41] <hive8> Just working on my first build
[19:39:45] <hive8> www.hive8.com
[19:39:52] <hive8> a G0704 coversation
[19:40:41] <jdh> I have a mostly done G0704
[19:41:34] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, which .hal and .hal pair do you recommend to use?
[19:41:48] <hive8> jdh are you on cnczone?
[19:41:51] <jdh> that is a huge motor for Z I assume.
[19:42:04] <jdh> hive8: I read, but don't think I've ever posted anything.
[19:42:05] <gmagno> there is "custom", "thiel_mini"
[19:42:05] <hive8> hallo IchGuckLive
[19:42:27] <hive8> servus sieht so aus das du von Oesterreich bist
[19:42:31] <jdh> hive8: connor has posted his g0704 build there
[19:42:33] <hive8> Wien oder Graz
[19:42:50] <hive8> Yes i am talking to Connor already
[19:42:59] <hive8> making some parts
[19:43:01] <jdh> that is a huge motor... for Z I presume?
[19:43:17] <hive8> yes its 906oz/in
[19:43:29] <hive8> the rest is for X and Y
[19:43:32] <jdh> overkill, but nothing wrong with that!
[19:43:42] <hive8> I have the whole mill in Solidworks almost
[19:43:49] <jdh> cool
[19:44:19] <gmagno> IchGuckLive, ignore my question, it is thiel_mini, right?
[19:45:06] <hive8> Right now working on the head
[19:45:27] <hive8> I am really looking to upgrade my spindle
[19:45:36] <hive8> to something in the 10K range
[19:45:44] <hive8> maybe with a servo or something
[19:45:45] <jdh> that would be nice. Or even 6k
[19:45:59] <hive8> yes min 6k
[19:46:21] <hive8> so not sure whats better
[19:46:25] <Connor> jdh: Did you get the belt drive plans too ?
[19:46:35] <jdh> nope.
[19:46:39] <hive8> a VDF with a motor or a servo with a encoder for the spindle
[19:46:49] <Connor> hive8: Me and jdh was doing the conversion about the same time..
[19:47:21] <jdh> I'd assume a vfd+motor would be much cheaper per watt/hp/wtf
[19:48:08] <hive8> Oh nice
[19:48:10] <hive8> i see
[19:48:42] <hive8> I also still waiting on HOSS and his ballscew test
[19:48:47] <hive8> so i know what to go with
[19:49:03] <jdh> what ballscrew test?
[19:49:07] <Connor> jdh is also on the zone, though never posts anything. :)
[19:49:15] <hive8> HAHA
[19:49:19] <hive8> thats OK
[19:49:24] <hive8> spectator
[19:49:38] <Connor> lurker.
[19:49:46] <hive8> kkkk
[19:49:51] <Connor> My poor little G0704 thread hardly gets ANY comments from anyone...
[19:49:52] <hive8> Connor do you use Solidworks too
[19:49:59] <hive8> Mine too
[19:50:01] <Connor> hive8: No. Inventor 2012
[19:50:07] <hive8> i guess we are not to popular
[19:50:11] <IchGuckLive> gmagno: yes
[19:50:12] <hive8> oh i see
[19:50:30] <hive8> Connor are you on stock screws or ball
[19:50:38] <Connor> Stock ATM
[19:50:50] <hive8> Me too still
[19:50:50] <Connor> I'll probably go with LM2008 bearings.
[19:50:51] <jdh> I have cheap chinese ballscrews
[19:50:59] <jdh> but, some killer stepper covers!
[19:51:01] <hive8> the linear motion
[19:51:09] <hive8> 2008
[19:51:11] <Connor> ebay dude.
[19:51:27] <hive8> i mean from the seller linearmotion2008
[19:51:36] <Connor> yea.
[19:51:36] <jdh> $199 including shipping for lmb2008 ballscrews/nuts
[19:52:01] <Connor> add $6.00 for him to grind that one ball nut.
[19:52:17] <jdh> he told me they woudln't do it
[19:52:17] <hive8> wow
[19:52:22] <Connor> okay. I just made a channel. #g0704
[19:52:25] <hive8> how are they
[19:52:48] <Connor> Not bad for the $$$
[19:52:55] <Connor> I use them on my router.
[19:53:16] <hive8> are they realy C7
[19:53:18] <hive8> real
[19:53:30] <jdh> 7, 10, what's in a number.
[19:53:42] <Connor> That tis the question everyone wants to know.
[19:53:52] <Connor> jdh: Join the #g0704 channel. :)
[19:54:05] <jdh> I can't
[19:54:08] <Connor> ?
[19:54:11] <hive8> haha
[19:54:16] <hive8> just double click on it
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[19:54:29] * jdh clicks furiously
[19:54:29] <hive8> http://www.hive8.com/forumPics/IRC/G0704%20Mill.JPG
[19:54:30] <Connor> or type /join #g0704
[19:54:47] <jdh> I have a 80x24 vt window
[19:54:57] <hive8> http://www.hive8.com/forumPics/IRC/Y%20Base%2002.JPG
[19:54:58] <Connor> ROFL.
[19:55:04] <Connor> what are you IRCing from ?
[19:55:16] <hive8> http://www.hive8.com/forumPics/IRC/Y%20Base%2001.JPG
[19:55:47] <jdh> sometimes a gterm, sometimes putty, sometimes connectbot
[19:56:00] <Connor> on a PC from work?
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[19:56:22] <jdh> I should answer 'no' to that.
[19:56:24] <Connor> or remoting into your house or something?
[19:56:46] <jdh> client runs in screen(1)
[19:57:39] <hive8> haha
[19:57:43] <hive8> use your cell
[19:57:44] <hive8> :)
[19:58:31] <jdh> I so, but I still connect to my 80x24 screen session
[19:58:51] <Connor> Hey, I have that very same Drelmel dril press thingie.
[19:59:49] <hive8> You talk to me
[19:59:51] <hive8> kkk
[20:00:16] <hive8> That dremel drill press thing sucks bad
[20:00:31] <hive8> i tried to drill some holes into alu 3mm
[20:00:34] <hive8> no way
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[20:06:35] <JT-Shop> dang the price of a factory CB for the Gl1800 is $400 less than last time I looked at them
[20:12:00] <jdh> I'm not. I'm asking you what your opinion is on that.
[20:12:17] <jdh> <wrong channel, yet again>
[20:16:34] <hive8> whats a gl1800
[20:17:12] <jdh> what you get when you can't bring yourself to buy a harley?
[20:22:28] <JT-Shop> yuck harleys are ugly
[20:23:02] <djdelorie> then don't buy a yuck harley, get a pretty one :-)
[20:23:15] <jdh> and they have that whole belt thing
[20:23:40] <JT-Shop> I wear a belt not suspenders like harleys
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[20:35:40] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop any clue what would cause one stepper axis to 'growl'?
[20:35:46] <Tom_itx> it moves but makes noise
[20:35:53] <Tom_itx> afik the wiring is correct
[20:36:14] <Tom_itx> X and Z are fine but Y makes noise
[20:36:14] <jdh> did you check for loose screws on wiring?
[20:36:20] <Tom_itx> yes
[20:36:26] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna go back thru it in a bit
[20:36:28] <JT-Shop> growl during mid range?
[20:36:43] <Tom_itx> no pretty much anytime
[20:36:56] <Tom_itx> i'll triple check the wires again
[20:37:04] <JT-Shop> good plan
[20:37:04] <Tom_itx> and maybe slow the step rate down some more
[20:37:26] <Tom_itx> it's not the wires to the stepper or the drivers, i've swapped those out already
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[20:37:42] <Tom_itx> it's between the pc and the drivers
[20:37:54] <Tom_itx> signal, not drive
[20:38:35] <Tom_itx> is the step signal high enough to require twisted pairs or separate shielded wires?
[20:38:40] <Tom_itx> they're all in one bundle...
[20:39:07] <Tom_itx> i'll sort it out tonight
[20:41:24] <gmagno> erm... about connecting stepper motors to driver board, is it important which is A+ and which is A-? I mean, I can find out which wires are from coil A and which are from coil B, but I cant find which is is A+ and which is A-, is this important when connecting to the driver board?
[20:41:43] <archivist> Tom_itx, loose coupling possibly
[20:41:44] <jdh> a and b are pretty much arbitrary
[20:42:34] <jdh> swapping +/- on a phase will just change the direction
[20:42:34] <Tom_itx> archivist it can't be that many things, i've narrowed it down to the wire between the mesa card or the step timing i believe. i could be mistaken
[20:42:45] <gmagno> jdh, right
[20:42:46] <gmagno> ok
[20:42:50] <gmagno> thanks
[20:57:17] <DJ9DJ> gn8tens
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[21:02:36] <WillenCMD> Does anyone know if mesa has a i/o card that can switch 220v loads
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[21:05:48] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: my step timings are DIRSETUP= 200
[21:05:48] <JT-Shop> DIRHOLD = 200
[21:05:48] <JT-Shop> STEPLEN = 1000
[21:05:48] <JT-Shop> STEPSPACE = 2000
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[21:14:48] <andypugh> It seems that my old machine _can_ run 10.04 and LinuxCNC after all.
[21:14:57] <JT-Shop> cool
[21:15:07] <andypugh> The trick is to not use Tesco Value CD-Rs
[21:16:38] <PCW> "<WillenCMD> Does anyone know if mesa has a i/o card that can switch 220v loads"
[21:16:40] <PCW> Not directly but any of the 50 pin FPGA cards can drive I/O module racks (like OPTO22)
[21:16:41] <PCW> as can the 7I69 (48 Bit TTL remote I/O)
[21:17:30] <andypugh> I drive SSRs from GPIO pins with no problems too.
[21:18:03] <JT-Shop> is that really "Lack of Value" CD-R's?
[21:18:17] <jdh> I have some driven directly by p-port pins
[21:18:22] <andypugh> Actually, I don't think I have any _directly_ on a GPIO, I think they all have at least a ULN2003
[21:18:23] <PCW> I had so much trouble with CDRs that I dont bother unless they are TDK or some decent brand (ive had better luck with CDRWs)
[21:18:56] <andypugh> JT-Shop: They stored _some_ data, and were £0.23 each.
[21:19:34] <andypugh> The TDKs were £0.57 each. Admittedly I got a good CD for that, not 5 coasters.
[21:20:24] <PCW> I just threw out a stack of cheap ones here. after a few years sitting around you could not tell the dye side from the other
[21:21:40] <andypugh> I only bought the cheap ones because I was on my bicycle and luggage space was limited (to pockets)
[21:21:56] <JT-Shop> I can understand that
[21:22:19] <andypugh> And they were a stack of 10 without jewel cases. The others were stacks of 50 or 100, or with jewel cases
[21:24:22] <andypugh> Anyway, I am nearly back to where I was before I tried to install netatalk..
[21:24:42] <JT-Shop> 100 with jewel cases would rather stick out a bit
[21:25:25] <jdh> he's got *really* big pockets.
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[21:43:29] <JT-Shop> Woot! it will only cost me $45 to fix my low oil shutdown switch on the generator
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[21:43:58] <taiden> evening gents
[21:44:22] <taiden> emc2 is proverbially shitting out parts for me, it's quite satisfying (pardon the language)
[21:44:34] <taiden> thanks all for the help previously
[21:44:48] <taiden> would probably still be tearing my hair out without you all
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[21:50:02] <JT-Shop> taiden: glad you got it going :-)
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[22:34:30] <r00t4rd3d> whats the easiest way to from text in photoshop to cutting?
[22:35:02] <r00t4rd3d> to go*
[22:40:23] <andypugh> You mean bitmap?
[22:40:32] <andypugh> Image2gode then
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[22:42:36] <r00t4rd3d> will that run under wine?
[22:42:59] <JT-Shop> I usually walk under wine
[22:43:07] <JT-Shop> to risky to run
[22:43:12] <Tom_itx> from what i see you spill quite a bit
[22:43:25] <JT-Shop> LOL just a drop here and there
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[22:44:01] <JT-Shop> I fill the glass too high then walk from the house to the shop and in transit I usually spill a drop or three
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[22:44:22] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: get the growling to stop?
[22:44:39] <Tom_itx> i'm just now getting ready to work on it
[22:44:52] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna run a wire to the driver and see if that's it first
[22:45:22] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Who not take the bottle to the shop?
[22:45:28] <andypugh> What could possibly go wrong?
[22:45:33] <Tom_itx> makes me think it's wiring since the other 2 aren't doing it
[22:45:48] <JT-Shop> too easy to refill the glass you know
[22:46:25] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: swap till you find it
[22:46:39] <Tom_itx> i've been down that road already
[22:46:47] <Tom_itx> it's between the driver and the pc
[22:46:59] <Tom_itx> the stepper wiring is ok
[22:49:31] <r00t4rd3d> im great in photoshop but getting it to wood has been stumping me
[22:49:50] <r00t4rd3d> everyone has a different opinion
[22:52:16] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: The thing is that Photoshop makes bitmaps. And wood is continuous.
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[22:57:37] <r00t4rd3d> or gimp
[22:58:10] <r00t4rd3d> are there any plugins for that?
[22:58:15] <andypugh> Inkscape or some other vector pacakage might suit better. it does rather depend on what you want to make though.
[22:58:28] <r00t4rd3d> just print text on wood atm
[22:59:17] <r00t4rd3d> i can use pycam so all i really need is convert a image to dxf i guess
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[22:59:35] <r00t4rd3d> i am gonna try image2gcode again
[23:00:29] <andypugh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_LinuxCNC_G-Code_Generators#Text_Engraving_Software
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[23:01:49] <JT-Shop> r00t4rd3d: have you seen the multi line text generator?
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[23:03:37] <r00t4rd3d> no
[23:03:40] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=20&id=20816
[23:04:19] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I think that was at the link I just posted
[23:04:26] <JT-Shop> nope
[23:04:55] <JT-Shop> unless the wiki has ArcEye's version
[23:05:04] <JT-Shop> I shall go and see
[23:05:13] <andypugh> It looks the same to me
[23:05:31] <JT-Shop> huge difference between the two
[23:05:49] <andypugh> Really?
[23:05:51] <JT-Shop> ArcEye's you can have multi lines and more options
[23:06:08] <andypugh> They are both called engrave-lines-v3
[23:06:25] <andypugh> (section 9)
[23:06:35] <JT-Shop> oh... I see it now below engrave-11
[23:07:09] <JT-Shop> too blind to see the trees for the forest
[23:07:31] * JT-Shop shuts up now and tries to remove boot from mouth
[23:08:52] <r00t4rd3d> i bought a bunch of bits today, left them an hour and half away at work :(
[23:09:19] <JT-Shop> wow they have added a bunch to that page lately
[23:09:39] <r00t4rd3d> what page the wiki?
[23:11:02] <tjb1> You drive an hour and a half to work?
[23:11:09] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[23:11:12] <elmo40> wow
[23:11:16] <tjb1> Wow…you must get paid a lot
[23:11:17] <tjb1> :P
[23:11:18] <elmo40> mine is 12jkm away :)
[23:11:26] <r00t4rd3d> i get paid one way too
[23:11:36] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what an idiot!
[23:11:38] <tjb1> You work 8 hours?
[23:11:51] <r00t4rd3d> not normally, 10
[23:11:52] <Tom_itx> the shaft on the stepper was rubbing on my enclosure
[23:11:58] <tjb1> Thats a rough day r00t4rd3d
[23:12:01] <r00t4rd3d> i been getting 45-48 hours lately
[23:12:06] <Tom_itx> making it sound like it was missing steps
[23:13:28] <r00t4rd3d> we build awesome houses and a group of surgeons has got us working our balls off.
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[23:15:26] <tjb1> Oh you are a contractor
[23:15:35] <tjb1> So you move to wherever you have to build?
[23:15:40] <r00t4rd3d> fuck no
[23:16:00] <tjb1> ??
[23:16:01] <r00t4rd3d> we will travel some if the money is right though
[23:16:23] <tjb1> So you dont normally drive 90 minutes to work
[23:16:37] <r00t4rd3d> is not out the of ordinary
[23:17:17] <r00t4rd3d> i wish it was
[23:17:44] <tjb1> Company vehicle?
[23:17:57] <r00t4rd3d> heh, there is 3 of us.
[23:18:02] <r00t4rd3d> we car pool
[23:18:10] <r00t4rd3d> or truck pool
[23:19:36] <tjb1> Is kapton tape the heat transfer tape?
[23:20:40] <r00t4rd3d> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapton
[23:21:38] <r00t4rd3d> 3D Printing
[23:21:38] <r00t4rd3d> Kapton Tape is commonly used by members of the RepRap community for covering the surface of a heated build platform, mainly because kapton adheres very well to ABS plastic hence preventing the ABS part from warping.
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[23:22:07] <r00t4rd3d> i would guess yeah
[23:22:18] <tjb1> Wonder if I can get it double sided
[23:22:33] <tjb1> Need a way to attach a heatsink to the back of the gecko g540
[23:22:50] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=kapton+tape+double+sided&_sacat=0&_odkw=kapton+tape&_osacat=0
[23:22:52] <r00t4rd3d> yup
[23:23:17] <Tom_itx> it's also $300/lb
[23:23:52] <tjb1> Any other tapes?
[23:23:57] <r00t4rd3d> thats what it cost to feed a fat chick too
[23:23:57] <tjb1> That arent so expensive :P
[23:24:53] <r00t4rd3d> clear xmas packing tape
[23:25:44] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: you sorted out the noise!
[23:25:58] <Tom_itx> yeah it's never done that before :)
[23:26:07] <JT-Shop> I thought you were calling me an idiot for doubting andypugh
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[23:26:16] <Tom_itx> and where i'm testing the pc isn't that close to the machine
[23:26:22] <Tom_itx> so i didn't notice it right away
[23:26:45] <Tom_itx> no not hardly
[23:27:30] <uw> thermal paste and zipties
[23:27:56] <Tom_itx> tjb1, what about a stick on thermal heatsink insulator
[23:28:04] <andypugh> The main advantage of Kapton is that it is Polyimide, and has a working temperature of 400C (750F). Not many other plastics get anywhere near that.
[23:28:09] * JT-Shop wanders in for a glass of cabernet sauvignon from a cardboard box
[23:28:33] <Tom_itx> i bet if you asked, the guy that makes my stencils would send you some
[23:28:38] <Tom_itx> how much do you need?
[23:28:47] <Tom_itx> i bet i have some old stencils
[23:29:20] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Stencils/stencils.jpg
[23:31:15] <Tom_itx> never say cnc and electronics don't go hand in hand, just not for milling pcb's. these are my board cutouts for applying paste solder:
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Stencils/stencil_form4.jpg
[23:31:42] * Jymmm hands JT-Shop the 55gal cardboard drum of Maddog 20 20
[23:31:44] <tjb1> Stick on thermal heatsink?
[23:31:47] <tjb1> thermal paste?
[23:32:30] <Tom_itx> how much do you need?
[23:33:08] <tjb1> I dont think thermal paste will hold this heat sink
[23:34:18] <tjb1> Its 2.5"x2.5"x3.5"
[23:35:05] <Tom_itx> http://www.ohararp.com/Stencils.html
[23:35:14] <Tom_itx> i bet if you contacted him, he would send you some
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[23:35:26] <Tom_itx> it's the same stuff i posted above
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[23:36:14] <Tom_itx> just tell him what you're doing and for $25 i bet he'd send you a good chunk of it
[23:36:20] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Heh, I bet I could laser soem of that =)
[23:36:31] <Tom_itx> Jymmm he does
[23:36:37] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: everyone knows the cardboard drums are only 30 gallons
[23:36:50] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I'm saying *I* could probably do that.
[23:37:04] <Tom_itx> but i'm saying *I* don't see you doing it
[23:37:11] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Well, it's a special vintage maddog 2020 =)
[23:37:23] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: not for production, no.
[23:37:25] * JT-Shop goes to clean the AC filter
[23:37:40] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: clean the DC one too!
[23:38:33] <Tom_itx> ok i should finish wiring the pendant now
[23:40:33] <tjb1> I think I missed some of tat Tom_itx
[23:40:36] <tjb1> *that
[23:44:53] <JT-Shop> another quality job done
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[23:50:14] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: do you squeegee the paste through the holes?
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