#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-07-04

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[00:00:03] <Jymmm> one link at a time
[00:01:40] <JT-Shop-> that one is a piece of pie
[00:02:15] <Jymmm> ?
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[00:15:50] <andypugh> I can tie a monkey's fist. In fact I tend to do it any time I am bored and there is a bit of rope lying about.
[00:16:16] <Jymmm> =)
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[00:20:49] <tjb1> Whats the chance of them being open tomorrow?
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[00:59:15] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fabco-Air-Pancake-Line-MP5x1x3x1ft-NR-Multi-power-Cylinder-/170869195670?pt=Pneumatic_Hydraulic_Valves_Parts&hash=item27c8990396&_uhb=1#ht_2173wt_1041
[00:59:53] <Connor> That look like a good air cylinder for Power draw bar?
[01:00:47] <Connor> I think they ebayer is wrong on the stroke and bore size.. It's 5" bore, by 1" stroke. x 3 stage push 1 stage pull.
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[01:02:09] <Connor> Never mind.. too big.. at 100 PSI just 1 stage is over 1900 lbs.
[01:04:53] <jdh> how much do you need?
[01:05:02] <Connor> 2000 or so.. total. :)
[01:08:11] <jdh> the powrr drawbar will detract from the beauty of the machine.
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[01:09:50] <Connor> Nahh.. I'll put a metal cover around it...
[01:11:31] <Connor> The size Hoss has on his is rather large..
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[01:13:37] <jdh> he says keep the drives I have. The Keling guy says get 5056d
[01:13:51] <Connor> HUh?
[01:14:39] <jdh> I asked both about getting new drives
[01:15:01] <jdh> (hoss amd keling)
[01:15:08] <Connor> Oh. ROFL.
[01:15:22] <Connor> What's the issue with the ones you have ?
[01:15:57] <jdh> they are fairly hot. somewhat noisy.
[01:16:04] <jdh> I a
[01:16:08] <Connor> I wouldn't mind switching to digital ones..
[01:16:16] <Tom_itx> new drives?
[01:16:18] <Tom_itx> for what?
[01:16:36] <jdh> was thinking about buying one.
[01:16:36] <Connor> Trade my 5056's for 5056D's .:)
[01:17:08] <jdh> geckos are compact
[01:17:11] <Connor> I just want to know what the chief benefit is..
[01:17:20] <Tom_itx> geckos are nice too
[01:17:22] <Connor> These aren't that big.
[01:17:47] <jdh> mine are pretty big
[01:24:45] <Connor> Hmm.. 3" bore by 1" stroke..
[01:24:53] <Connor> 3 stage..
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[01:26:33] <Connor> @ 100PSI some where around 2099Lbs
[01:32:14] <Connor> jdh: I was thinking of putting a regulator on my scuba tank (I have 2 steel ones) and using that for my air source.. :)
[01:32:33] <Connor> and just go refill the tanks when ever they get low...
[01:32:45] <Connor> which, would take a very long time with 2200psi in them.
[01:33:39] <jdh> I'll give you $100 for them :)
[01:33:52] <Connor> One is a J valve. :)
[01:33:57] <Connor> or was it K..
[01:34:02] <jdh> nevermimd
[01:34:03] <Connor> Let me go look.. Been a while.
[01:34:12] <Connor> Why?
[01:34:18] <Connor> I said they were OLD>
[01:34:47] <jdh> i just saw steel, not old.
[01:36:20] <jdh> I have 40 or so.
[01:36:22] <Connor> Ahh.
[01:36:36] <Connor> They probably need to by hydroed again.
[01:36:44] <Connor> Both still have air in them.
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[01:43:26] <jdh> I have one jumk tank with air for calibtatiom
[01:44:00] <jdh> I have one junk tank with air for calibratiom
[01:44:13] <jdh> android kb
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[02:49:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/by8yl.jpg
[02:57:15] <r00t4rd3d> http://woodgears.ca/gear_cutting/template.html
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[03:01:30] <Tom_itx> i wrote one for my cad cam
[03:01:42] <Tom_itx> it may do sprockets
[03:01:43] <Tom_itx> i forget
[03:04:47] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.instructables.com/id/Robotic-claw-business-card/
[03:05:05] <r00t4rd3d> thats where i got that from
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[03:11:56] <Jymmm> LOL, it looks like a penis!
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[03:23:53] <r00t4rd3d> well then print one out and you can have one!
[03:25:02] <jdh> indeed
[03:25:53] <Tom_itx> wouldn't know what to do with two
[03:27:07] <r00t4rd3d> you have no use for one.
[03:27:27] <r00t4rd3d> besides self mutilation
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[03:35:02] <Connor> jdh: Just did some testing... Using clamping bars (had to have 2) over the spindle..
[03:35:47] <Connor> I have some belvile washers I put on the draw bar.. and made a manual actuated one via the quill. OMG it takes a heck of allot of power to release and load..
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[03:41:01] <jdh> how much displacement do you need to release the tooling?
[03:41:10] <Connor> Not very much.
[03:41:18] <Connor> 1/4" Maybe??
[03:41:44] <jdh> heh... I got a july4 25% off HF coupon
[03:42:14] <jdh> I need a/c for my garage
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[03:45:04] <Connor> I've got a rather large one.. Had for 4 years or better.. NIB still :)
[03:45:16] <r00t-Shed> i got a big one too
[03:45:43] <Jymmm> can you pick it yourself
[03:45:55] <Jymmm> up
[03:46:24] <Connor> mine? Maybe.. Bad back.. haven't tried in a while.
[03:46:47] <Jymmm> Heh, I can't even get my arms around one of mine
[03:47:49] <Jymmm> I think it's the largest 110V window unit you can get... 18,000 BTU
[03:48:12] <r00t-Shed> oh i thought we were still talking penis
[03:48:30] <Jymmm> And yes, it WILL run off my EU2000 generator =)
[03:48:32] <jdh> you need to get out more.
[03:49:14] <Connor> 12,000 BTU, 90 Lbs..
[03:49:36] <Jymmm> http://www.instructables.com/image/FHHZFN5GRFNE7FQ/Designing-the-components.jpg The middle
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[03:56:28] <Jymmm> MY bad 15,000 BTU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16896140006
[03:56:34] <Jymmm> Works AWESOME!!!
[03:57:28] <Jymmm> Love the energy save feature
[03:57:40] <Connor> Mine is a Frigidare..
[04:00:35] <Connor> I think this unit is WAY too much for the room size...
[04:00:35] <Connor> 77 square feet.. needs less that 5000 BTU...
[04:01:12] <jdh> mine is 12'x25' or so
[04:01:28] <jdh> 10ft ceilings
[04:01:40] <jdh> and leaky garage doors
[04:03:08] <Connor> ceiling is insulated in mine.. Bricks on 2 sides.. no insulation in the walls.. 1 wall is a "inside" wall..
[04:03:26] <Connor> It's piped for air from the home unit.. just no return..
[04:03:33] <jdh> it would be nice if I could close off 1/3 of it
[04:03:35] <Connor> also have the stupid hot water heater in it..
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[04:06:42] <tjb1> Think I am becoming immusne to my asthma medicine
[04:07:32] <elmo40> it happens
[04:07:59] <Connor> tjb1: What are you using?
[04:08:15] <tjb1> albuterol sulfate
[04:08:21] <tjb1> Either that or this paint is really killing me
[04:08:33] <Connor> I have sever allergies.. was on prescription meds until the took all the ones I was using off the market..
[04:08:46] <Connor> paint? Ugg.. That can't be helping...
[04:09:18] <tjb1> Ive never gone to get a long term thing like advair or something
[04:09:31] <tjb1> Should probably go get looked at so I can get it, I am using inhaler too much...
[04:10:25] <tjb1> Ever user one of those once a day things?
[04:10:32] <Connor> I have asthma too.. But, was linked to Allergies and crap.. I even managed to get certified for scuba.. go figure..
[04:11:31] <Connor> I just take 1st generation antihistamine now.. 2nd generation stuff didn't do much for me.
[04:13:26] <tjb1> What is 1st gen antihistamine?
[04:13:26] <tjb1> I take Diphenhydramine Hydochloride (generic allergy pills) and it kind of works...
[04:13:27] <Connor> Stayhist, Aerohist.
[04:15:20] <Connor> Contains chlorpheniramine maleate
[04:15:21] <tjb1> You have to rinse your mouth after using advair?
[04:15:21] <Connor> 2nd gen would be like Claratin, Allegra etc..
[04:15:38] <Connor> Never used it.
[04:19:34] <tjb1> Ive tried Claratin and Allegra, they both suck
[04:19:37] <tjb1> Over priced junk
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[04:24:13] <Connor> Yup. Couldn't agree more.
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[04:27:17] <tjb1> 24 hour my ass also...
[04:27:24] <mcenter> I have had luck with Fluonase. But, I only use it for my allergy seasons.
[04:27:29] <tjb1> This generic stuff is the only stuff I found that works
[04:27:35] <tjb1> Generic benadryl
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[04:28:19] <mcenter> Benadryl can make me sleepy, unless I need to sleep.
[04:29:24] <Valen> we got some dymatap night time
[04:29:48] <Valen> man it made both me and the missus have crazypants feever dreams
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[04:35:10] <tjb1> Hopefully when I am done painting my asthma will calm down
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[04:38:28] <r00t4rd3d> smoke a cigarette
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[04:39:26] <tjb1> Ha no thanks
[04:41:57] <tjb1> Anyone have a down draft on their plasma table?
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[04:55:24] <tjb1> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3090951/Screen%20Shot%202012-07-04%20at%2012.53.06%20AM.png
[04:55:28] <tjb1> Hope he had THC on...
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[05:05:39] <MrSunshine> time to go to work soon, then back home to the rust... sigh
[05:09:32] <Connor> THC ?
[05:19:29] <tjb1> torch height control
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[06:12:30] <tjb1> I just *love* holidays...
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[06:21:08] <Thetawaves> i unfortunately do not get paid holidays
[06:21:28] <Thetawaves> mandatory vacations...
[06:21:33] <tjb1> Im just little mad that I just noticed my extrusions are bent…and of course they are closed tomorrow
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[06:58:39] <DJ9DJ> moin
[06:59:56] <micges> morning
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[08:37:33] <paresh> laser engraving using linuxcnc ? how
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[08:43:40] <archivist> there are examples out there, perhaps ask a better question
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[08:46:37] <archivist> IRC is a place for specific questions not howto "large subject"
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[09:15:14] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[10:40:44] <jthornton> morning guys
[10:42:21] <DJ9DJ> good morning JT
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[11:49:18] <jthornton> weee I just converted my first actual mack xml file to the Stepconf Wizard format
[12:02:36] <Tom_itx> neat
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[12:29:06] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dust-Collector-Brush-for-CNC-Router-/140777754732?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20c702106c
[12:29:10] <r00t4rd3d> is that expensive?
[12:29:35] <r00t4rd3d> $15.60 for 5 foot
[12:29:57] <Jymmm> +8 shipping
[12:30:04] <Jymmm> nm
[12:30:49] <Jymmm> seems short to me
[12:37:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/VCarve-Text-Data-for-CNC-Routers-Mills-and-Sign-Making-/130292992966?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e56114bc6
[12:37:46] <r00t4rd3d> what do you think about that?
[12:38:42] <r00t4rd3d> he has some sample text you can try on your machine here, bottom of first post:
[12:38:42] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/product_announcements_manufacturer_news/73604-option_v-carve_text_not_new.html
[12:38:59] <Jymmm> http://home.comcast.net/~sskroch/Fengrave/fengrave.html
[12:39:07] <r00t4rd3d> i use that
[12:39:28] <Jymmm> so you want to BUY soemthing that does what you already have?
[12:40:29] <r00t4rd3d> i have not had much luck with the vcarve section of f-engrave
[12:40:48] <Jymmm> ah
[12:41:08] <r00t4rd3d> but i really havent put a lot of effort into it yet either
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[12:41:32] <r00t4rd3d> do you use it?
[12:41:44] <Jymmm> no
[12:41:54] <Jymmm> just know of it
[12:41:56] <r00t4rd3d> some settings i just dont understand
[12:44:02] * Tom_itx sits down after mowing
[12:44:11] <r00t4rd3d> hire a mexican
[12:44:25] <Tom_itx> they'd all be sitting under the tree
[12:45:12] <r00t4rd3d> ive never seen a mexican in taco bell
[12:47:11] <Tom_itx> does delrin have good wear properties/
[12:47:12] <Tom_itx> ?
[12:47:42] <r00t4rd3d> i have a nut made of one
[12:47:47] <r00t4rd3d> wait
[12:47:52] <r00t4rd3d> i have a nut made of it
[12:47:58] <archivist> probably depends on what it is rubbing against
[12:48:31] <Tom_itx> i see these backlash nuts made of it
[12:48:40] <Tom_itx> can't see that lasting long
[12:48:48] <JT-Shop-> Tom_itx: normally if something smooth is rubbing against delrin it will last a long time if the pressure is not high enought to deform it
[12:48:57] <archivist> steel wears well except when rubbing against sandpaper
[12:49:09] <JT-Shop-> LOL
[12:49:47] <archivist> takes two surfaces to tango :)
[12:49:49] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/18-3-8-12-ACME-Lead-Screw-w-Delrin-Nut-CNC-Router-/120942809960?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c28c0d368
[12:49:54] <r00t4rd3d> i got that
[12:52:15] <Jymmm> that doesn't look like an anti-backlash nut, but the pic is tiny
[12:52:22] <r00t4rd3d> it is not
[12:53:00] <r00t4rd3d> i also have a dumpsterCNC anti backlash nut made from delrin
[12:53:03] <r00t4rd3d> http://dumpstercnc.com/
[12:53:50] <r00t4rd3d> they have some nice parts
[12:53:59] <Tom_itx> anyone have a good mechanical drawing for nema 23 32 mount?
[12:54:05] <r00t4rd3d> i got a threaded rod coupler from them too
[12:54:24] <JT-Shop-> 32?
[12:54:33] <Tom_itx> nema 23 and nema32
[12:54:39] <Tom_itx> 34?
[12:54:41] <Tom_itx> sry
[12:54:47] <Tom_itx> whichever it is :D
[12:55:03] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/nema-23-motor-mount-p-30.html
[12:55:08] <JT-Shop-> last time I googled I came up with many links
[12:55:14] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/nema-34-motor-mount-p-31.html
[12:55:21] <r00t4rd3d> they have the dxf files in the post
[12:55:29] <Jymmm> I can't see how that ever could be considered an anti-backlash nut http://dumpstercnc.com/images/1_2-10_ACME.jpg
[12:56:15] <JT-Shop-> anti-wobblelash
[12:56:25] <r00t4rd3d> it works great
[12:56:26] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: lol
[12:56:57] <JT-Shop-> well the good thing is the powder measure is not too big...
[12:57:04] <JT-Shop-> interesting design actually
[12:57:14] <r00t4rd3d> the guy says they last for ever too on clean rods
[12:57:31] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: canon or ammo reloading?
[12:57:39] <Tom_itx> if you're just sitting there looking at them?
[12:57:48] <JT-Shop-> cannon 50gram charge
[12:58:14] <JT-Shop-> it holds 45.5 grams so I need to make it a little deeper
[12:58:31] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: s/grams/ounces/
[12:58:51] <JT-Shop-> 1 3/4 ounce
[12:58:57] <JT-Shop-> 50cc's
[12:59:11] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: no no no.... 50 OUNCES
[12:59:11] <JT-Shop-> as big as my first motorcycle
[12:59:24] <JT-Shop-> only Ray does that
[12:59:48] <Jymmm> bah
[13:00:12] <Jymmm> Well, go dig a hole and toss in 50 ounces and a 3s fuse =)
[13:00:58] <JT-Shop-> for $20 for that nut you can't make one for that price
[13:02:08] <Jymmm> I'm trying to find videos on how they coil hanks of rope automatically but having little luck. Any other serach terms I could try? coil, wind, winder, hank
[13:02:41] <Tom_itx> hank?
[13:02:51] <JT-Shop-> hank hill?
[13:02:53] <Tom_itx> come tour wescon
[13:03:14] <Tom_itx> you never saw a manual rope winder?
[13:03:35] <r00t4rd3d> hire a mexican
[13:03:38] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: You've never heard the term hank of rope?
[13:03:51] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I'm looking for AUTOMATIC, not manual
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[13:03:59] <Tom_itx> lazy
[13:04:29] <Jymmm> No, I need 1000/hr
[13:05:10] <pfred1> you work too expensive
[13:05:11] <Jymmm> But I need it to coil, cut, and rethread itself
[13:05:48] <Jymmm> all I can find is how they make rope, not how they make those hanks of rope.
[13:06:20] <pfred1> I been in the rope braiding shop at Mystic seaport
[13:06:21] <Tom_itx> 840 yd of rope
[13:06:48] <r00t4rd3d> Jymmm,
[13:06:49] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=984NNkgJrFk
[13:06:51] <pfred1> well, they said it was about a quarter of what it once was it was almost that long too
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[13:08:50] <pfred1> it says here it is only 250 feet long http://www.mysticseaport.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewpage&page_id=B94B460D-E0F9-6340-E44E4A267DD98CF1
[13:08:52] <Jymmm> I'm talking ones that make these http://www.camoandgear.com/rope.jpg
[13:08:59] <Jymmm> 100ft hanks
[13:09:18] <Jymmm> (ignoring the finishing coiling on the outside)
[13:09:54] <Tom_itx> so why can't you do that?
[13:10:22] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: so you volunteering to do it?
[13:10:33] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: 1000 PER HOUR ?
[13:10:41] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: NOT FEET, UNITS
[13:10:50] <Tom_itx> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/804/016/392/392016804_279.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/476615525/RMHK_003_ROPE_HANK_WINDER.html&h=600&w=800&sz=39&tbnid=l6xA1K97ggL7AM:&tbnh=117&tbnw=156&zoom=1&usg=__O8-gGyw6KzwVV8oKNrGuayYhbcI=&docid=oL9oNy5VSWGuvM&itg=1&sa=X&ei=t0D0T-TvAqiA2QXjyNXnBg&ved=0CGIQ9QEwBQ&dur=3916
[13:10:55] <pfred1> r00t4rd3d that is really crappy!
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[13:12:41] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: DUDE, you're not hearing me... 1000 per hour of 100ft each hanks. It's not the winding, it's the coiling, cut, remove, and start the next coil all hands off.
[13:13:11] <Tom_itx> don't get all tied up in knots
[13:13:40] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: dont make me hang you using a old rope!
[13:15:02] <Jymmm> 1000 per hour of these (if that helps you to understand) http://cdn.dickblick.com/items/631/00/63100-1009-3ww-l.jpg
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[13:16:25] <pfred1> I just saw some truckers rope in the home depot they wanted like $15 for 100' I had sticker shock
[13:16:57] <Jymmm> pfred1: define "truckers rope"? that yellow org/blk stuff?
[13:17:11] <pfred1> I believe so it is like 1/2" rope
[13:17:31] <Jymmm> I hate that shit. and at $15, screw that.
[13:17:44] <pfred1> yeah last time I bought some same package was more like $5
[13:18:57] <Jymmm> I think I paid $15 for 100ft of 3/8" double braided antenna rope. But it's rated to like 900lbs
[13:19:28] <Jymmm> and it's static rope =)
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[13:21:00] <Jymmm> Gonna use the 25% OFF coupon for this today http://www.harborfreight.com/propane-bottle-refill-kit-45989.html
[13:21:17] <Jymmm> Luckily it's not made by HF =)
[13:21:29] <pfred1> leave it to the chinese to be open on the 4th
[13:21:57] <Jymmm> heh
[13:22:27] <Jymmm> Well, they close early, so you get to make double time time and still enjoy the holiday
[13:23:24] <Jymmm> It'll be nice to be able to refill the 1# tanks, especially now that I've started to see the price go up to $5.50/each in some places.
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[13:24:32] <Jymmm> pfred1: Haven't you noticed, that LOTS of places are now open on the 4th, they just close early is all.
[13:24:51] <pfred1> the 4th is the busiest day where I am at so I don't go out
[13:25:22] * pfred1 lives @ the nation's summer capitol
[13:25:23] <Jymmm> pfred1: where do you work that the 4th is the busiest day?
[13:25:41] <Tom_itx> firecracker stand?
[13:25:52] <pfred1> no that is what this whole area is billed as
[13:26:01] <jdh> it is?
[13:26:07] <pfred1> where i am at yes
[13:26:12] <jdh> are you sure?
[13:26:30] <pfred1> indeed i am it says so right on the sign coming into town
[13:26:33] <Jymmm> pfred1: what is you do?
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[13:26:51] <jdh> I can make one of those signs too :)
[13:27:36] <Jymmm> pfred1: what is it you do that makes today the busiest of the year??
[13:28:10] <pfred1> jdh you could but if I searched for the term "the nation's summer capital" on Google you wouldn't come up first
[13:28:34] <pfred1> Jymmm nothing I do just where i live
[13:28:42] <Jymmm> ah
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[13:29:03] <pfred1> today is just the gibbest day of the year here so I tend to try to avoid it
[13:29:07] <pfred1> biggest
[13:29:28] <pfred1> heck when cops came to film they picked a 4th of july weekend
[13:30:08] <pfred1> http://www.trutv.com/shows/surf_and_rescue/index.html
[13:31:15] <Jymmm> Dewey _______ ?
[13:31:18] <pfred1> I know where they are
[13:31:24] <pfred1> yeah I'm not too far from there either
[13:31:32] <Jymmm> Dewey What?
[13:31:39] <pfred1> Dewey
[13:31:53] <Jymmm> Dewey colorado ?
[13:31:54] <pfred1> it is going to be pandemonium over there today
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[13:32:06] <pfred1> I bet they're doing the running of the drunks right now
[13:32:43] <pfred1> well I think that started at 9 AM
[13:33:04] <tjb1> 28 minutes until I find out they are closed :)
[13:33:39] <pfred1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGKN_Ld3Eks
[13:34:33] <pfred1> it isn't normally like that here
[13:34:38] <pfred1> but it is today!
[13:34:41] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[13:34:48] <tjb1> Delaware
[13:35:15] <tjb1> I cant watch a video that some moron that cant work a camara took
[13:35:52] <pfred1> know what the best part of this video is? I can close the browser window
[13:35:56] <tjb1> youtube needs a rotate video button
[13:36:20] <pfred1> if I went down there today I wouldn't have that option
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[13:36:56] <pfred1> plus it is supposed to hit 99F here
[13:37:16] <pfred1> I got up at 5 AM to change my sand filter valve on my pool just so I wouldn't have to do it in the heat
[13:38:30] <tjb1> And no rain in sight for PA...
[13:38:38] <pfred1> we might get some
[13:38:47] <pfred1> they said thunder showers 10AM
[13:39:02] <pfred1> it does look a little unsettled out there right now
[13:39:34] <tjb1> There is a rain cloud coming...
[13:39:38] <tjb1> 2 minute raid
[13:39:40] <tjb1> *rain
[13:40:06] <ReadError> storm knocked out me power ;(
[13:40:15] <pfred1> yeah it won't amount to anything might keep me from having to water the garden today though
[13:40:22] <pfred1> I lost power friday
[13:40:25] <tjb1> We havent lost power for longer than a couple minutes in a while now
[13:40:40] <pfred1> I hear it was out for about 2 hours I went to sleep
[13:40:51] <tjb1> Power company put new lines and cleared all the trees a couple years ago
[13:40:56] <Tom_itx> holy crap, i just watered and the runoff on the cement is dry already
[13:40:59] <ReadError> err
[13:40:59] <pfred1> not much else to do at night here with no electricity
[13:41:01] <ReadError> i mean internet
[13:41:08] <ReadError> i been w/o tv/internet for 12+ hrs
[13:41:09] <ReadError> ;(
[13:41:12] <ReadError> im on 3g now
[13:41:14] <ReadError> sucks
[13:41:19] <tjb1> I cant lose internet :)
[13:41:23] <tjb1> My phone = internet
[13:41:32] <pfred1> pfft a couple years ago I lost power for 3 days
[13:41:35] <Tom_itx> how do you call when it goes down?
[13:42:15] <tjb1> Call?
[13:42:32] <Tom_itx> when your internet goes down
[13:42:39] <Jymmm> tjb1: How do you call tech support to tell them your internet is out?
[13:42:46] <tjb1> Cell phone
[13:42:52] <tjb1> Cell phone is my internet
[13:45:38] <pfred1> tech support isn't going to restore my electricity
[13:46:03] <pfred1> last time my power went out I noticed my PC comes up faster than my router
[13:46:23] <pfred1> I had to reboot it to get an IP
[13:46:32] <tjb1> Last time my power went out I forgot how much it sucked being on a desktop and having to restart :)
[13:46:40] <Jymmm> Oh these bastards use glue! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XURVzKNXIdA
[13:46:45] <tjb1> Laptop and phone just act like nothing happened
[13:47:01] * pfred1 is watching Elvis right now that other video will have to wait
[13:47:06] * JT-Shop- needs to get the generator wiring done and get that bad boy out of the shop
[13:47:13] <Tom_itx> elvis is dead
[13:47:23] <pfred1> long live the King!
[13:48:07] <tjb1> Jymmm: Is that making little sample cards like paint samples?
[13:48:23] <Jymmm> tjb1: No like sewing thread kit
[13:48:26] <Tom_itx> no it's winding thread
[13:48:33] <tjb1> Ah.
[13:49:08] <Jymmm> But, to "rethread" it for the next card, they use GLUE to hold it in place... sneaky bastards!
[13:49:38] <Tom_itx> here you go Jymmm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhEwe8JNIqs&feature=fvwrel
[13:50:49] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Not even close to being funny.
[13:51:54] <pfred1> fire it up!
[13:52:10] <tjb1> Doesnt roll the yarn very wide :P
[13:52:50] <tjb1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pHCfXtRYCA&feature=related
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[13:53:43] <pfred1> I think it needs a whirly gig axe man
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[13:56:23] <JT-Shop-> LOL at the yarn winder
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[14:01:47] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA879oD7Voc&feature=related
[14:02:48] <tjb1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEATei2wewY&feature=relmfu
[14:02:52] <tjb1> Thats cool ^
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[14:06:59] <r00t4rd3d> whats the easiest cad program to use?
[14:07:10] <r00t4rd3d> i need to learn how to make parts now instead of engraving test
[14:07:13] <r00t4rd3d> text*
[14:10:30] <Jymmm> That's actually pretty good... Instead of back and forth, just offset the winder instead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akPDJ4CnMbQ&feature=related
[14:10:32] <ReadError> solidworks ;)
[14:10:43] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[14:10:51] <ReadError> well it is...
[14:10:51] <r00t4rd3d> figures you would speak up
[14:11:08] <ReadError> suck on this light machine workin ;(
[14:11:26] <ReadError> but 2x pay helps keep me glued
[14:11:30] <pfred1> easy CAD is an oxymoron
[14:11:44] <ReadError> idk, i found solidworks super intuitive
[14:11:50] <ReadError> the others i strugged hard with
[14:12:05] <Jymmm> MS-Paint
[14:12:16] <Tom_itx> whatever gets you the gcode the easiest
[14:12:19] <Jymmm> Kid-Pix
[14:12:25] <r00t4rd3d> solidworks I imagine is a nightmare to learn
[14:12:47] <FinboySlick> r00t4rd3d: It's actually fairly straightforward.
[14:12:55] <FinboySlick> r00t4rd3d: It's expensive however.
[14:12:59] <r00t4rd3d> ok ill steal it and see
[14:13:18] <FinboySlick> r00t4rd3d: It won't get you G-Code on its own though.
[14:13:26] <r00t4rd3d> i realize that
[14:13:27] <pfred1> that costs extra
[14:13:35] <FinboySlick> It'll let you model the part. For g-code, you'll need some other software or add-on.
[14:13:37] <r00t4rd3d> i will have to use pycam with it
[14:13:43] <r00t4rd3d> or something right?
[14:13:50] <FinboySlick> I use hsmworks. There's a few others.
[14:14:00] <ReadError> i got used to visualmill
[14:14:07] <ReadError> not sure if its the easiest though...or best
[14:14:28] <archivist> get used to hand writing gcode
[14:14:49] <ReadError> ew
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[14:15:01] <pfred1> archivist we can't all dream in G-Code like you
[14:15:30] <archivist> thats the last subject I would ever dream!
[14:15:58] <Tom_itx> it's just math and moves
[14:16:16] <Tom_itx> simple stuff can be done nearly quicker than with cad cam
[14:16:28] <Tom_itx> when you get into complex parts it's not
[14:17:10] <archivist> some complex stuff is just a sequence of simple moves
[14:17:42] <Tom_itx> most of what we did was aircraft parts and nearly nothing on them is flat
[14:17:47] <Tom_itx> all surfaces
[14:17:49] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.mecsoft.com/freemill.shtml
[14:18:51] <pfred1> I need a mouse that follows my eye movements
[14:19:24] * Jymmm glues a nail on a mouse and stabs pfred1 in the eye
[14:19:45] <pfred1> Jymmm go wind twine
[14:19:57] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[14:20:04] <Jymmm> pfred1: SHOW ME THE MACHINE! ;)
[14:20:05] <r00t4rd3d> twine winder
[14:20:15] <pfred1> yeah you filthy twine winder
[14:20:41] <Tom_itx> Jymmm i did
[14:21:01] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: No spools or bobbins
[14:21:09] <r00t4rd3d> only losers wind twine
[14:21:10] <pfred1> get a huge surf reel and modify it
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[14:21:31] <Jymmm> pfred1: it has to self-thread for the next coil.
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[14:36:48] <pfred1> http://i.imgur.com/YhBy3.jpg
[14:37:19] <DJ9DJ> lol
[14:38:18] <pfred1> someone needs to take a picture of an ipad at the bottom of a birdcage
[14:40:15] <JT-Shop-> are you kidding and get bird crap on my wifes $700 solitare game!
[14:41:47] <pfred1> indeed it might have to be Photoshopped
[14:42:16] <pfred1> I have a copy of the NY Times from when we first landed on the Moon
[14:42:26] <pfred1> it is a little yellow today but I can still read it
[14:42:50] <pfred1> I wonder how may ipads will be working over 40 years from now?
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[15:14:42] <WillenCMD> does anyone know how to set stepgen position on startup
[15:14:50] <WillenCMD> hal based only
[15:21:19] <JT-Shop-> can you expand a bit on what your trying to do?
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[15:25:52] <WillenCMD> i wrote a gui, using only hal, i would like to remember the position of the machine and set it on start up
[15:26:52] <WillenCMD> i have an incremental encoder, attatched to a tiny 5v microcontroller that monitors the encoder using a battery, it sends the initial startup position to hal on startup
[15:27:27] <JT-Shop-> so if the machine moves while off the microcontroller keeps track of that?
[15:27:33] <WillenCMD> yep
[15:27:40] <JT-Shop-> hmmmm
[15:27:47] <WillenCMD> its set on the interrupt on the microcontroller
[15:27:53] <WillenCMD> so it sleeps untill it recieves movement
[15:27:59] <WillenCMD> battery will last along time
[15:28:13] <WillenCMD> not bad for $15 bucks
[15:30:22] <JT-Shop-> got me on that one...
[15:31:17] <WillenCMD> yea, its been a bit of a learning process, but the gui is very feature rich, computes cycle time, time for each move its on, estimated time untill completion
[15:31:41] <WillenCMD> time between cycle start intervals
[15:31:51] <WillenCMD> then exports it to the companies databse
[15:31:55] <WillenCMD> to log production
[15:34:43] <WillenCMD> then at shut down it saves the complete state of the machine to a .state file and also the part information. All i need to do is figure out how to set the position and im golden
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[15:38:07] <WillenCMD> i guess i could throw the estop let it count up to the position not moving the motors
[15:38:50] <WillenCMD> thats what i'll do thanks for letting me talk it out ;)
[15:38:57] <WillenCMD> lol
[15:39:05] <micges> it ofet helps ;)
[15:39:09] <micges> often
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[15:42:20] <WillenCMD> lol my hal file looks like a logic controller
[15:45:26] <jthornton> what ever it takes to make it work
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[15:59:07] <micges> WillenCMD: how many lines
[15:59:08] <micges> ?
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[16:39:35] <alex4nder> hey
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[16:51:34] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/XVy27.jpg
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[16:55:35] <r00t4rd3d> mild success
[16:55:40] <r00t4rd3d> at inlays
[16:56:58] <jthornton> what did you use to generate the code?
[16:57:35] <r00t4rd3d> microcarve
[16:58:17] <r00t4rd3d> i finally got the right bit, a tad smaller i need
[16:59:16] <r00t4rd3d> the line from the top left to the bottom right is the watermark till you pay for Microcarve.
[16:59:33] <andypugh> My 99p servo motor turned up.
[16:59:35] <r00t4rd3d> its only 24 bucks though
[17:00:05] <andypugh> NEMA34 2.6Nm 500rpm 630W
[17:00:41] <andypugh> The complication is that it has a battery-backed absolute encoder, and I have no idea how to read it...
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[17:02:13] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
[17:05:47] <micges> hi Guck
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[17:06:49] <r00t4rd3d> what the guck
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[17:14:11] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Onsrud-4FL-Carbide-Compression-Spiral-CNC-Routers-Natural-Composites-Wood-/221061094322?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3378449bb2
[17:18:05] <Loetmichel> ONE THOUSAND $ for 3 router bits?
[17:18:20] <Loetmichel> are they crazy?
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[17:23:09] <r00t4rd3d> Onsrud and Vortex bits are mad expensive.
[17:23:38] <r00t4rd3d> some of them atleast
[17:23:41] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.vortextool.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&Category_id=1
[17:23:42] <andypugh> They are fairly big.
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[17:41:32] <andypugh> After some research it appears that my servo encoder is 2.5Mb RS485. What else do we know of that uses that baud rate and protocol?
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[17:46:07] <andypugh> Though it seems it might switch to sine-cosine after startup, which would be annoying.
[17:46:21] <andypugh> Darn! I might have wasted 99p!
[17:48:06] <r00t4rd3d> #sparkfun could probably help you
[17:48:39] <r00t4rd3d> they know about steppers,encoders, servo's
[17:49:04] <andypugh> Yeah, but so do we :-)
[17:49:17] <andypugh> I have an oscilloscope and a pinout.
[17:49:25] <andypugh> ~What could possibly go wrong?
[17:51:42] <r00t4rd3d> if you idle in there and watch you will see they go alittle deeper into motors and what not then here
[17:52:29] <r00t4rd3d> nerdy robotics channel
[17:53:00] <andypugh> If there are geeks there I am not sure I would fit in :-)
[17:53:20] <r00t4rd3d> i think youll be fine
[17:53:59] <andypugh> Sorry, that was meant to be taken as humorous sarcasm.
[17:54:09] <r00t4rd3d> i know
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[18:16:23] <tjb1> Entirely too hot outside...
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[18:34:29] <mozmck> I bought a 1/4" onsrud spiral router bit and was not impressed with it.
[18:35:37] <mozmck> I got a 1/4" import solid carbide end mill for less than half the price of the Onsrud and it was sharper and cut smoother (this is in wood).
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[18:55:23] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/cSAJw.jpg
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[20:49:04] <FinboySlick> Any of you guys know of a place to purchase dye packs (like they use to foil bank robberies)?
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[20:54:25] <taiden> evening gents
[20:57:14] <JT-Shop-> evening taiden
[21:00:56] <taiden> if i wanted to help with linuxcnc updates what programming languages should i be proficient in?
[21:01:11] <taiden> im decent with python already
[21:01:17] <JT-Shop-> LOL all of the above
[21:01:25] <taiden> haha thats what i was afraid of
[21:01:35] <JT-Shop-> TCL, python, C, C++ maybe more not sure
[21:01:41] <taiden> TCL?
[21:01:47] <JT-Shop-> yea
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[21:02:12] <JT-Shop-> I think it's short for That Crazy Language
[21:02:22] <taiden> haha
[21:02:35] <taiden> oh open source software how quirky and hilarious you are
[21:03:09] <andypugh> python C and C++ mainly. We leave the TCL to Jepler
[21:03:17] <tjb1> Hey JT-Shop
[21:03:19] <JT-Shop-> or Dewey
[21:03:26] <andypugh> There is one GUI written in freePascal...
[21:03:26] <tjb1> http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/428466_4007122612439_1590726975_n.jpg
[21:03:28] <JT-Shop-> hay tjb1
[21:03:35] <taiden> Is there an entry on github?
[21:03:35] <JT-Shop-> really, which one?
[21:03:37] <tjb1> http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/399456_4007139892871_237843881_n.jpg
[21:03:46] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Mocca
[21:03:48] <tjb1> http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/391325_4007140892896_852490623_n.jpg
[21:03:54] <JT-Shop-> ok
[21:03:59] <JT-Shop-> forgot about that one
[21:04:25] <andypugh> tjb1: Ugly, but you could arrange it to be out of sight. Shouldn't be there though.
[21:04:26] <taiden> that 8020 is very straight
[21:04:45] <tjb1> There is the bend and gash
[21:04:49] <JT-Shop-> tjb1: what is the straitness specification for that brand?
[21:05:11] <tjb1> Not sure, I have a better picture uploading of the bemd
[21:05:13] <tjb1> Certainly shouldnt be that bad
[21:05:21] <JT-Shop-> dunno
[21:05:36] <tjb1> Not too worried about the gash, its the bend that is the problem
[21:05:46] <JT-Shop-> structural is not really very straight usually
[21:06:04] <tjb1> But this isnt over the entire length, this bend starts a specific spot
[21:06:19] <JT-Shop-> that's a problem they need to fix then
[21:06:29] <WillenCMD> anybody know how to program a button press and held with gtk?
[21:06:36] <tjb1> Here is the good one - http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/557213_4007142532937_1214748650_n.jpg
[21:06:45] * JT-Shop- goes to fix an air leak
[21:07:10] <JT-Shop-> yea, you can see the deformation where the forklift ran over it
[21:07:16] <tjb1> On this picture at 26.5" you can see where the anodizing is stressed at the bend - http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/484028_4007139412859_1901660212_n.jpg
[21:07:38] <tjb1> The packaging wasnt hurt and the other 10ft that was strapped to this one isnt bent
[21:07:57] <JT-Shop-> taiden: http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl/tutorial/tcltutorial.html
[21:08:15] <alex4nder> tjb1: who did you order from?
[21:08:21] <tjb1> T-slots
[21:08:26] <alex4nder> ah, not 80/20?
[21:08:33] <tjb1> Nope, they were too expensive
[21:08:41] <tjb1> I got free shipping at t-slots
[21:08:50] <alex4nder> ah
[21:09:01] <tjb1> And only $0.81 an inch on the 3030
[21:09:45] <tjb1> Here it is - "Straightness - .0125" per foot of length, not to exceed .120 over 20 feet of length"
[21:09:49] <andypugh> tjb1: That's really disappointing.
[21:09:55] <tjb1> Its .125 over 2 ft...
[21:09:58] <taiden> I think it's time to learn gladevcp
[21:10:30] <tjb1> I will be calling in the morning about it
[21:10:48] <WillenCMD> taiden: i have built up a bit of experience wiht gladevcp over the last 87 hours
[21:11:01] <WillenCMD> thats how long i have been writing this gui
[21:11:03] <WillenCMD> lol
[21:11:05] <taiden> haha
[21:11:08] <taiden> what are your goals
[21:11:09] <WillenCMD> according to eclipse
[21:11:28] <tjb1> Anyone ever had a problem with a bent extrusion? What did they do?
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[21:12:08] <WillenCMD> its standalone 3 axis motion control using only hal
[21:12:37] <WillenCMD> non gcode or interpolated movements, though there is an interpolation hal component
[21:12:44] <WillenCMD> i have them all pretty much memeroized
[21:13:03] <WillenCMD> lol i launch my browser the hal api html is my home page
[21:13:31] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[21:13:40] <taiden> my goal is to have a fixture with 12 parts, and then have a GUI where i can select options for each part
[21:13:57] <tjb1> Maybe I will get a discount on the gashed one but the bent one definitely needs replaced
[21:13:59] <taiden> and then have it run the appropriate cut files for each location
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[21:14:26] <WillenCMD> shouldn't be that hard gladevcp makes it very easy to work with hal
[21:14:53] <WillenCMD> this is the first program i have ever wrote, with the exception of microcontroller code
[21:15:11] <WillenCMD> so don't be fooled by my emense amount of time i have spent on it
[21:15:16] <taiden> :)
[21:15:40] <taiden> i'm hoping to be able to just make each option as an ngc
[21:16:02] <taiden> and then use my gui to just call these options for each location on the 12 part jig
[21:16:48] <WillenCMD> shouldn't be to complicated
[21:16:52] <JT-Shop-> it seems mighty quiet around here for the 4th... must be too hot for the... to come outside
[21:17:03] <taiden> haha
[21:17:10] <taiden> we're all stuck in our basements hacking away
[21:18:04] <tjb1> Im sitting in air conditioning with a fan blowing on me :D
[21:19:10] <taiden> oh thank god it seems gladevcp is mostly python
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[21:23:49] <JT-Shop-> I'm just glad I put R43 insulation in the attic of everything
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[21:35:55] <JT-Shop-> looks like the Brits are into civil war cannons too http://www.artillerysociety.co.uk/index.html
[21:37:31] <taiden> haha
[21:37:36] <taiden> the brits are into everything
[21:38:38] <JT-Shop-> I wish I could finger out what goes in the linstock socket of the 6 pounder I built
[21:39:13] <taiden> g12 g13
[21:39:16] <taiden> mind blown
[21:39:30] <taiden> wish i had found that before i wrote my circular pocketing subroutine
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[21:47:00] <WillenCMD> anyone care to brainstorm how i can implement a jog button on a touch screen with gladevcp?
[21:49:16] <taiden> ask me again in a week :)
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[21:49:58] <JT-Shop-> i finally found a linstock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Linstock_pskov.jpg
[21:50:21] <taiden> not sure why but that made me laugh
[21:50:39] <taiden> kinematics for skew compensation?
[21:50:46] <JT-Shop-> can't have a linstock socket on your cannon without a linstock
[21:50:51] <taiden> my xy plane has skew
[21:51:24] <JT-Shop-> so X and Y are not perpendicular to each other?
[21:51:32] <taiden> nope
[21:51:35] <taiden> just slightly off
[21:51:45] <taiden> cuts slight parallelograms
[21:52:11] * JT-Shop- heads to fire up the barbie
[21:52:55] <alex4nder> JT-Shop-: you got shrimpz?
[21:53:37] <taiden> if so he might be from austria
[21:53:47] <alex4nder> or australia
[21:54:01] <taiden> (dumb and dumber reference)
[21:54:05] <taiden> :)
[21:54:14] <alex4nder> yes
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[21:59:34] <jthornton> alex4nder, ribs and corn on the cob
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[22:00:01] <alex4nder> jthornton: tritip
[22:00:08] <alex4nder> central california, representing.
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[22:00:28] <tjb1> Seems like a lovely night to go to bed early :D
[22:00:35] <jthornton> I keep a case of tritip in the deep freezer
[22:00:43] <alex4nder> jthornton: where do you live?
[22:00:43] <jthornton> my favorite cut
[22:00:53] <jthornton> swamp east missouri
[22:00:56] <alex4nder> interesting
[22:01:06] <jthornton> why is that
[22:01:12] <alex4nder> back in the 80s, no one had heard of tritip outside of Santa Barbara county.
[22:01:26] <alex4nder> I met someone in Colorado who carried it, but he was from Santa Barbara county. ;)
[22:01:34] <jthornton> that's what you guys thought
[22:01:58] <jthornton> it is also known as the "butchers cut"
[22:01:59] <alex4nder> tritip is from Santa Maria going back to Northern-Mexico days.
[22:02:11] <alex4nder> they didn't invent the cows, but that's what they specialized in.
[22:02:30] <tjb1> This stuff is awesome - http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3499/3901489335_2751afb1cc_z.jpg
[22:03:04] <jthornton> anyway I live here but have lived in a lot of places starting in King Salmon Alaska
[22:03:12] <alex4nder> nice
[22:05:31] <jthornton> I like to smoke my tritip in my PLC controlled smoker and let it rest a bit then slice on a diagonal mmmmm
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[22:07:05] <taiden> are there any good kinematics tutorials?
[22:08:44] <alex4nder> a tutorial?
[22:08:49] <alex4nder> what do you want to know?
[22:09:18] * Tom_itx wonders what barbie has on today
[22:09:28] <Tom_itx> err..
[22:10:20] <alex4nder> Tom_itx: flaming coals
[22:10:39] <Tom_itx> she's hawt today
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[22:12:58] <tjb1> I do believe it is nap time
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[22:13:25] <Jymmm> WooHoo 77¢ tubing benders!
[22:13:26] <JT-Shop-> Tom_itx: ribs
[22:13:56] <taiden> trying to compensate skew on xy plane with it
[22:15:19] <Jymmm> Heh, the package says "TUMBLING BENDERS" http://www.harborfreight.com/5-piece-small-tubing-bender-set-65794.html
[22:15:54] <Jymmm> yay for auto-correct
[22:19:05] <Jymmm> They work great for small tubing, couldn't pass up a 2nd set for 77¢ on clearance
[22:19:22] <Jymmm> Really hard to screw up a spring =)
[22:19:35] <alex4nder> that's the most ghetto mandrel ever
[22:19:55] <Jymmm> mandrel?
[22:20:55] <JT-Shop-> Jymmm: they get sprung easy
[22:21:41] <JT-Shop-> I need to make one of these http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Linstock_pskov.jpg
[22:23:01] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=rimshot&play=true
[22:23:46] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: What, you doin the renaissance fair thing
[22:24:14] <Jymmm> Well, now to play with the sulfric acid in the drain thing *sigh*
[22:24:19] <JT-Shop-> it's part of my cannon
[22:24:22] <Jymmm> ah
[22:24:53] <JT-Shop-> used in case the friction fuse failed or for hand to hand combat
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[22:26:37] <andypugh> JT-Shop: The former can be fixed with a lighter. The latter one would hope was unlikely to be an issue.
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[22:27:34] <JT-Shop-> yes, the "slow fuse" was attached to the linstock to "touch off" the cannon an keep the chap a bit away from the vertical blast from the touch hole
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[22:33:00] <andypugh> It's hard to think of a D-Sub as "subminiature" nowadays isn't it?
[22:33:10] <alex4nder> yah
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[22:40:55] <andypugh> Is there any reason not to use filtered D-subs? They appear to be the cheapest, and have the biggest current rating.
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[22:44:10] <Jymmm> andypugh: filtered?
[22:44:22] <andypugh> Yeah, block of ferrite in the back
[22:44:41] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: how does the paint hold up on mdf?
[22:44:50] <Jymmm> Oh, there are add-on for that
[22:45:05] <Jymmm> andypugh: you can always add them later if you need them
[22:45:47] <andypugh> I don't need them, it is just that the cheapest / highest current ones in the RS catalogue were the filtered style.
[22:46:15] <Jymmm> DB9 connectors?
[22:46:20] <andypugh> DB15
[22:46:45] <Jymmm> Um, I'd use db25 instead, cables are far more common
[22:47:11] <Jymmm> DB15 was midi joystick thing
[22:47:12] <andypugh> I will make up my own cable.
[22:47:23] <Jymmm> Why?
[22:47:33] <andypugh> It is actually 3 motor power + 8 digital.
[22:47:53] <Jymmm> Yeah, DB25 cable is all moded, shielded etc for you
[22:47:57] <Jymmm> molded
[22:48:03] <andypugh> 10A ?
[22:48:06] <Jymmm> even the shells are
[22:48:15] <tjb1> Do lovejoy couplers have more backlash than the spring couplers?
[22:48:19] <Jymmm> maybe with two pins
[22:48:50] <andypugh> I have paired the pins, but probably not in the way that works for a premade cable
[22:48:57] <Jymmm> heh
[22:49:15] <Jymmm> I like the mic din connectrs for that
[22:49:25] <Jymmm> 18ga shielded pair works great
[22:49:38] <Jymmm> and 10-20A too
[22:50:19] <Jymmm> http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/parts/micconn.html
[22:50:53] <alex4nder> CPC
[22:50:56] <alex4nder> 13A per conn
[22:50:58] <alex4nder> easy to crimp
[22:51:08] <Jymmm> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103255
[22:51:22] <Jymmm> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103996
[22:51:27] <Jymmm> inline and panel mount
[22:51:58] <Jymmm> and a solid screw tight fitting as well
[22:52:45] <andypugh> I have used them all over my other machine (though they are a bit cheap and nasty).
[22:52:57] <Jymmm> them?
[22:53:02] <andypugh> I prefer Lemo or Neutrik connectors
[22:53:13] <alex4nder> yah, but Lemo tooling is $$$.
[22:53:18] <Jymmm> Sure at $20+/each
[22:53:31] <alex4nder> I used amp CPCs over the last race car I built
[22:53:41] <andypugh> Neutrik are reasonable (for 250V 20A connectors)
[22:53:43] <alex4nder> they were great, and good for the price.
[22:53:53] <Jymmm> You're going ghetto, but from db to 4pin din is an improvement and they won't fall out on ya.
[22:54:16] <Jymmm> and can handle the higher amperages
[22:54:17] <andypugh> I was planning to use 9W3
[22:54:37] <andypugh> But in the end I didnt bother.
[22:55:08] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271002231479?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:VRI&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2661
[22:55:10] <Jymmm> The mic jacks are simple, easily available in a pinch, and screw lock.
[22:55:56] <Jymmm> at least the 4pins are
[22:56:11] <Jymmm> higher available from ham radio places retail
[22:56:22] <alex4nder> it'd be ok for a cheap stepper setup
[22:57:08] <andypugh> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/d-subminiature/6930913/
[22:57:30] <andypugh> Jymmm: As I said, i have about 10 on my other machine, from 3 to 7 pins.
[22:57:56] <alex4nder> andypugh: what do you guys use for prototype automotive connectors?
[22:58:00] <Jymmm> andypugh: of what? db? 13w3? 4p Din?
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[22:58:20] <andypugh> But if I was making another stepper machine I would be using: http://www.maplin.co.uk/4-pole-speakon-connector-1389
[22:58:36] <andypugh> Jymmm: The CB_radio connectors
[22:58:42] <Jymmm> ah
[22:59:03] <Jymmm> Why would you want something that can be instantly released with the push of a button?
[22:59:20] <Jymmm> are they water tight?
[22:59:23] <andypugh> Jymmm: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted#5398215381172597314
[22:59:34] <alex4nder> Jymmm: they sruvive musicians
[22:59:34] <alex4nder> speakons are legit
[22:59:34] <andypugh> I even modified them to take 10mm conduit
[22:59:51] <Jymmm> but you are not doing a temporary setup in a day
[23:00:29] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/sch/uniquerc/m.html?hash=item1c28c452bf&item=120943039167&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562
[23:00:40] <r00t4rd3d> this guy only sells gcode
[23:00:44] <r00t4rd3d> and alot of it
[23:00:45] <andypugh> Jymmm: Speakon push then twist then lock. It isn't the push of a button. They are a really satisfying connector to use, and have multiple finger contacts internally.
[23:01:03] <Jymmm> andypugh: Ah, ok.
[23:01:08] <Jymmm> andypugh: water tight?
[23:01:14] <Jymmm> andypugh: as in coolant?
[23:01:20] <tjb1> Hey r00t4rd3d
[23:01:58] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: 3D artwork is VERY expensive
[23:02:02] <andypugh> Not in the way you mean. They are actually airtight into the cabinet. But there is no ingress protection to the terminals.
[23:02:13] <Jymmm> andypugh: k
[23:02:49] <andypugh> Jymmm: If you look at my picture you can see a pair of Speakons bottom right for the axis motors.
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[23:03:03] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: http://www.vectorart3d.com/
[23:05:25] <Jymmm> andypugh: If you are going to spend $20+ per cnnector, I'd expect oil/water tight at least
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[23:05:25] <andypugh> Speakon are £4
[23:05:25] <Jymmm> andypugh: Oh, I get to play with some more gas.... 25% coupon and I picked up one of these today http://www.harborfreight.com/propane-bottle-refill-kit-45989.html
[23:05:25] <Jymmm> andypugh: Oh, the price went down a lot
[23:06:02] <Jymmm> andypugh: is the panel mount the same price?
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[23:07:16] <andypugh> Chssis socket is really cheap. $2 http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/loudspeaker-connectors/0464684/ and http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/loudspeaker-connectors/0464690/?origin=PSF_394001|cav
[23:09:16] <Jymmm> then why even bother thinking bout 13W3 which is mean for coax
[23:10:00] <Jymmm> and I haven't seen in use in 20+ years
[23:10:06] <andypugh> There are several alternatives for the big holes in 13W3. As well as Coax there are pneumatic, fibre-optoc and solid high-current terminals too.
[23:10:35] <Jymmm> but that cs 30A@250V ?!
[23:10:39] <Jymmm> vs
[23:10:53] <Jymmm> and no REAL locking
[23:12:24] <Jymmm> Hell, I'd almost say use stak-ons over a 13w3
[23:14:36] <andypugh> I am only using D-sub at all because I have a very specific space limitation: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted#5761456633570778562
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[23:16:00] <Tom_itx> i converted mine over to the 4pin din couple days ago
[23:16:05] <Tom_itx> and use db25 for signals
[23:16:19] <Tom_itx> both locally available
[23:17:47] <Tom_itx> andypugh, slip a piece of shrinkwrap over the wires as you go
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[23:18:58] <andypugh> Tom_itx: I am offended if you think that is anything but the most short-term of testing lash-ups
[23:19:09] <Tom_itx> heh
[23:19:13] <Tom_itx> even so it can short
[23:19:33] <andypugh> PSU is set to 40ma
[23:20:05] <Tom_itx> carry on
[23:21:39] <andypugh> You might also have noticed that that is a PCB type connector. The job is on hold until I get the right one. And I will probably buy some more encoder chips, that one seems to not be working.
[23:34:24] <Tom_itx> what are you planning to use that motor for?
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[23:37:08] <andypugh> This folding RepRap is rather neat: http://www.ulule.com/foldarap/
[23:38:20] <Tom_itx> i wonder how many patent laws are broken with reprap
[23:39:26] <andypugh> None of the commercial ones can use a heated build space (Stratasys patent) but the original RepRap project was started by Bath University, and they presumably checked.
[23:40:19] <Tom_itx> what does the heated pad do for it?
[23:40:25] <Tom_itx> i don't know much about reprap
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[23:46:26] <andypugh> I think it stops the material freezing before it has change to properly consolidate
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