#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-07-10

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[00:00:01] <Tom_itx> ball park
[00:00:01] <Jymmm> little pc ?
[00:00:06] <JT-Shop> <$200
[00:00:21] <JT-Shop> ball park $197
[00:00:34] <WillenCMD> jt_shop: i had some ims-drive stepper motor's with onboard driver's and i wasn't a fan
[00:01:00] <WillenCMD> burned 2 of them up because of enviromental conditions, small shavings and so forth
[00:01:02] <JT-Shop> we will see what this thing can do
[00:01:23] <WillenCMD> i got my bt30 spindle in today
[00:01:23] <Tom_itx> i wonder how that would work with linuxcnc
[00:01:28] <JT-Shop> this seems to be well enclosed
[00:01:29] <Tom_itx> as far as feedback etc
[00:01:44] <JT-Shop> might make a spinde motor dunno
[00:02:03] <andypugh> WillenCMD: Integrated motor one? Where from?
[00:02:21] <andypugh> Does it include the drawbar?
[00:02:55] <WillenCMD> yes quick change
[00:03:00] <WillenCMD> i designed it my self
[00:03:12] <WillenCMD> i was just waiting on the spindle id grinding
[00:04:43] <andypugh> Ah, OK, homebrew. There was a really interesing cnc-zone thread about a home-made BT30 spindle. Though with a rather sad outcome as the grinding co messed it up for him.
[00:06:47] <WillenCMD> i read that
[00:06:58] <WillenCMD> mine makes his look like a toy
[00:07:29] <andypugh> This one? http://www.cnczone.com/forums/vertical_mill_lathe_project_log/41200-bt30_spindle_project.html
[00:08:23] <WillenCMD> mine is solid steel vs aluminum to help absorb vibration
[00:09:27] <andypugh> Might be better (or worse) for differential expansion too.
[00:10:09] <WillenCMD> ill take pictures as soon as its done, i have to cut the timing pulley's tomorrow
[00:11:20] <andypugh> (I am throwing in the idea of "worse" because perhaps the higher coefficient of expansion of aluminium will compensate for the spindle getting hotter than the housing.)
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[00:31:48] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3CwG3cGGnc
[00:34:00] <andypugh> That spindle with the heatsink looks familiar.
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[00:34:24] <Jymmm> andypugh: video the cnczone thing you linked to
[00:34:38] <andypugh> I just realised.
[00:35:28] <WillenCMD> is that a 4 flute endmill? sure sounds like it
[00:40:24] <WillenCMD> let me see if i can round up some videos of my mill
[00:40:45] <WillenCMD> it has the sherline spindle on it, on the video but it still cuts very nice
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[00:47:44] <andypugh> Night all
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[00:53:57] <WillenCMD> found a huge bug in the gui i designed
[00:53:58] <WillenCMD> lol
[00:55:03] <WillenCMD> you can check it all day on the simulator but when it comes do real life, part after part running its not the same
[00:56:23] <WillenCMD> im just glad i haven't distributed it to my customer's yet
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[01:03:42] <Valen> nothing like the real thing
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[01:30:54] <jdh> is there a dxf2gcode that does imperial?
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[01:46:38] <WillenCMD> anybody know anything about logan lathes?
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[01:49:47] <Tom_itx> jdh, what about the 2nd one: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cam
[01:52:21] <jdh> there is a screenshot that shows inches in the linuxcnc wiki, but neither version I downloaded has inches in it that I see anywhere (nothing in the code). The link on the wiki is dead
[01:53:11] <Tom_itx> would pycam do it?
[01:56:05] <jdh> dunno. Just a simple dxf to cut
[01:56:28] <Tom_itx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CEqokrtFI4&feature=youtu.be
[01:56:33] <Tom_itx> up and running
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[02:09:57] <ReadError> any pcb crafters here?
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[02:11:32] <Valen> done it once or twice why?
[02:12:02] <Tom_itx> i don't mill them if that's what you're asking
[02:12:29] <Valen> lol the sense of scale is soooo weird there Tom_itx lol
[02:12:32] <ReadError> wondering
[02:12:36] <ReadError> anything better than eagle ?
[02:12:44] <Valen> define "better"
[02:12:45] <Tom_itx> some say there is but i use it
[02:12:46] <Valen> i use kicad
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[02:13:11] <Valen> but its probably not better, just free and unlimited
[02:13:27] <Valen> Tom_itx: you need a 4th axis ;->
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[02:14:33] <Tom_itx> i know
[02:14:39] <Valen> i wonder if a higher feed rate would work for you too
[02:14:49] <Valen> what size bit are you using?
[02:14:55] <Tom_itx> i could go higher but i don't wanna burn the plastic
[02:14:56] <Valen> and what RPM?
[02:15:03] <Tom_itx> .031"
[02:15:10] <Tom_itx> i dunno the rpm
[02:15:10] <Valen> going faster feed reduces the "burn"
[02:15:20] <Tom_itx> i'm making an encoder for it now
[02:15:32] <Tom_itx> i got it set where it runs good and stable
[02:16:02] <Valen> just sayin was all, plastic cuts best at higher feed rates than you would expect
[02:16:37] <Tom_itx> once i went to carbide cutters it started working alot better
[02:16:50] <Valen> slightly unusual
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[02:17:01] <Valen> probably just that the carbides were made better
[02:17:01] <Tom_itx> i know i can speed it up but i hardly have time to sip my beer between part changes as it is
[02:17:23] <Valen> again for plastic a steel tool is often better as they are generally sharper
[02:17:36] <Valen> or they can be sharper
[02:17:43] <Tom_itx> i've used both
[02:17:48] <Valen> meh, whats important is it does the job you want it to do
[02:17:55] <Tom_itx> i'm having good luck with these
[02:18:03] <Tom_itx> i've had that bit now for quite a while
[02:18:13] <Valen> yeah you wont wear it out lol
[02:18:51] <Tom_itx> each run i see a line of gcode i could remove
[02:19:05] <Valen> lol
[02:19:09] <Valen> what did you do cam with?
[02:19:18] <Tom_itx> i could maybe eliminate the double passes but i don't think i will
[02:19:20] <Tom_itx> smartcam
[02:19:38] <Valen> gut feel says you could do all that in one pass
[02:19:56] <Valen> probably about 70% higher feed rate too ;->
[02:20:08] <Tom_itx> i probably could but i was having issues early on so i didn't bother changing it
[02:20:21] <Valen> i think we'd be cutting that stuff at about 1200mm/minute
[02:20:30] <Tom_itx> this won't do that fast
[02:20:39] <Valen> and 18Krpm on the spindle
[02:20:46] <Tom_itx> about 80ipm is tops
[02:20:57] <Tom_itx> the spindle only goes to about 4-5k
[02:21:07] <Valen> 80ipm is 2meters/minute
[02:21:11] <Tom_itx> it was less than that until i made that pulley
[02:21:24] <Valen> yeah high speed tooling is where its at
[02:21:49] <Tom_itx> these cycle so quick as it is i'm not that worried about it
[02:21:52] <Valen> if your after an air blower as "coolant" old air compressors and fridges have good compressors
[02:21:58] <Valen> that are silent to run
[02:22:05] <Tom_itx> i've got a 5hp 80gal in the garage
[02:22:26] <Tom_itx> it's not silent though :)
[02:22:26] <Valen> yeah, they are just noisy though
[02:22:49] <Valen> we had one for the mill, stuck the fridge compressor onto a dead compressor tank
[02:23:15] <ReadError> wow
[02:23:15] <Tom_itx> i used to have one
[02:23:19] <ReadError> just cut some g10
[02:23:23] <ReadError> it was SUPER loud
[02:23:26] <ReadError> im almost deaf now
[02:23:59] <Tom_itx> Valen you've seen what those are haven't you?
[02:24:08] <Valen> yeah your programemrs?
[02:24:11] <Tom_itx> yup
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[02:31:47] <Tom_itx> Valen i think that little cutter would snap at 80 ipm
[02:32:01] <Tom_itx> i'm not gonna find out :D
[02:32:15] <Valen> 's why i said 1200 so half of that and 4x higher RPM
[02:32:31] <Tom_itx> not sure the rpm would go 4x more
[02:32:48] <Tom_itx> it's why i'm working on the spindle encoder next
[02:32:53] <Tom_itx> so i know where i'm at with it
[02:33:13] <ReadError> im kinda addicted to these 0.125" niagara cutters
[02:33:16] <ReadError> 3F
[02:33:21] <ReadError> good for all around cutting
[02:33:26] <ReadError> 10$ a pop
[02:33:43] <Tom_itx> Valen, that's off an old printer: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/encoder_disk2.jpg
[02:33:53] <Tom_itx> made a hub for it last night
[02:34:22] <Tom_itx> for now i'll just try to get it to display in axis
[02:34:39] <Valen> we got 200 carbides from china for about $200
[02:34:47] <Valen> about 2mm in size
[02:34:57] <Tom_itx> i get mine locally
[02:35:32] <Tom_itx> probably costs a bit more but i can just go get one
[02:35:56] <Valen> we do that too, but we snapped enough of them at $15 a pop it was worth it
[02:35:58] <Tom_itx> i think i'll go run a couple more of these
[02:36:07] <Valen> for the giggles? ;->
[02:36:08] <Tom_itx> these aren't that bad
[02:36:09] <ReadError> Valen, i love china stuff
[02:36:14] <ReadError> where did you score from?
[02:36:27] <Tom_itx> maybe $4-5 ea or so
[02:36:32] <Tom_itx> double ended
[02:36:54] <Valen> nfi
[02:36:58] <Valen> not my dept lol
[02:37:30] <Tom_itx> so hopefully i can get the mesa card to read that cheapass sensor
[02:38:13] <Tom_itx> this is where it began life: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/motors/stepper6.jpg
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[02:57:02] <Tom_itx> if i add a button to my pendant and tie it to halui.program.run will that begin program execution when pressed?
[02:57:10] <Tom_itx> it shows it as input...
[02:57:31] <Tom_itx> or is that the best place to tie into that?
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[06:00:34] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Niagara-Cutter-CM230-2-Flute-Carbide-End-Mill-NEW-/370616078859?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item564a70920b
[06:00:37] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[06:00:44] <r00t4rd3d> "New Other"
[06:00:54] <r00t4rd3d> you can see the burn marks on it.
[06:03:24] <tjb1> Im curious, does anyone else get a "Banned" message when going here - www.godlikeproductions.com
[06:03:55] <r00t4rd3d> no
[06:04:08] <r00t4rd3d> you read that garbage?
[06:04:59] <tjb1> No I was searching about wisdom teeth
[06:05:25] <tjb1> And it says I am banned but I have never even heard of the website :)
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[06:08:10] <r00t4rd3d> you wont die if you get them pulled
[06:08:36] <tjb1> I dont think they need pulled, another one is breaking through :/
[06:08:48] <r00t4rd3d> man up
[06:10:00] <tjb1> It only last about a week :)
[06:10:11] <r00t4rd3d> they have hardly any enamel on them when they come out, they rot and THEN it hurts to get them out.
[06:10:12] <tjb1> But it is a painful week
[06:11:19] <r00t4rd3d> getting them out when they first pop out is your best bet. Im sure your dentist will tell you the same.
[06:11:41] <r00t4rd3d> i thought just like you
[06:11:50] <r00t4rd3d> i thought wrong.
[06:12:21] <Valen> it does depend on what they do too
[06:12:33] <tjb1> They have been pariatally out for a while now
[06:12:38] <Valen> one of mine only partially errupted and it got infected as a result
[06:12:40] <tjb1> It just now its breaking the gum on top of it
[06:13:01] <r00t4rd3d> infected is fun!
[06:13:11] <Valen> not paticularly
[06:13:16] <Valen> pus tastes pretty bad
[06:13:18] <Valen> just saying
[06:13:42] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, will find out on his own.
[06:13:50] <r00t4rd3d> -,
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[06:13:55] <tjb1> I suppose
[06:14:07] <r00t4rd3d> what your dentist say now?
[06:14:18] <tjb1> Dunno, havent asked about it
[06:14:30] <r00t4rd3d> umm
[06:14:31] <Valen> if there is plenty of room for it and its coming up straight and not clashing your other teeth then it shouldn't be too bad
[06:14:52] <Valen> though you need to have a matching one or it'll keep moving aparently
[06:14:52] <tjb1> The teeth dont hurt at all
[06:15:06] <Valen> thats the thing with teeth, when they hurt its too late
[06:15:17] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[06:16:32] <r00t4rd3d> what was your search term to end up on that site?
[06:16:49] <Valen> so they pulled out the one that had an infection around it and its pair, the one in the top
[06:16:57] <Valen> it was actually inside the bone up there
[06:17:10] <Valen> the one on the bottom was slightly inside the jaw bone as well
[06:17:40] <Valen> the biggest problem i had with it all was the stiches they put in to hold it all together afterwards
[06:17:44] <Valen> thats what hurt
[06:17:49] <Valen> everything else was fine
[06:18:08] <r00t4rd3d> i still got one wisdom tooth but no insurance.
[06:18:22] <tjb1> Uh https://www.google.com/search?sugexp=chrome,mod=8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=wisdom+teeth+breaking+through
[06:18:23] <Valen> it was about $600 Aud for mine
[06:18:25] <tjb1> 6th one down
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[06:18:33] <Valen> getting the two done
[06:18:39] <Valen> and they were both "complex"
[06:18:48] <Valen> a "simple" one was $150
[06:18:49] <tjb1> Its always complex :)
[06:19:01] <r00t4rd3d> that website is fucked up
[06:19:17] <tjb1> I cant see anything
[06:19:31] <r00t4rd3d> i sure they ban loads of ip addresses
[06:19:41] <r00t4rd3d> you probably just got one.
[06:20:01] <tjb1> If I remember I will check it while I am at school
[06:20:30] <r00t4rd3d> no iphone?
[06:20:38] <Valen> your not missing out on much
[06:20:48] <r00t4rd3d> your school probably does not allow that site
[06:21:31] <r00t4rd3d> aliens, religion, , CIA, conspiracy mumbo jumbo.
[06:21:56] <r00t4rd3d> some of the post are actually kinda funny
[06:21:58] <r00t4rd3d> nut jobs
[06:22:04] <tjb1> I am tethered to my iPhone
[06:22:44] <r00t4rd3d> im telling att
[06:23:01] <tjb1> Its Verizon
[06:23:03] <tjb1> :)
[06:23:05] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[06:23:14] <r00t4rd3d> they allow it right?
[06:23:17] <tjb1> I am sure they suspect something
[06:23:19] <tjb1> No...
[06:23:38] <r00t4rd3d> do you have unlimited data?
[06:23:41] <tjb1> I already pay $30 a month for unlimited data, you think I am paying another $15 for 2gb of tethering?
[06:23:53] <tjb1> Verizon can kiss my ass
[06:24:23] <tjb1> Tried for years to get them to run a mile or two of cable for highspeed but they wont
[06:24:40] <r00t4rd3d> its funny how internet companies are moving backwards and no one cares. Pays the bill.
[06:24:57] <tjb1> I hear in other countries the phone companies are much nicer
[06:25:28] <r00t4rd3d> i can watch all the tv i want through that same line
[06:25:44] <tjb1> Verizon and AT&T were all about unlimited data….that was until they practically forced everyone on to a smartphone and then realized all the money they lose
[06:25:56] <r00t4rd3d> i surf the net too much and its a cost issue
[06:26:01] <tjb1> Some months I hit 14-15gb on my phone :)
[06:26:16] <tjb1> Never heard a peep from them
[06:27:08] <tjb1> What I dont understand is how satellite tv can stream HD with no problem but to get satellite internet that can do the same thing is like 2-3 times the price
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[06:27:50] <r00t4rd3d> June 2012 (Incoming: 38486 MB / Outgoing: 2917 MB)
[06:28:21] <r00t4rd3d> June 2011 (Incoming: 51249 MB / Outgoing: 3190 MB)
[06:28:38] <tjb1> 39 gb incoming, nice
[06:28:46] <r00t4rd3d> January 2011 (Incoming: 64556 MB / Outgoing: 3472 MB)
[06:28:55] <tjb1> Im sure Verizon notices something when an iPhone is getting 15gb
[06:29:22] <r00t4rd3d> im sure there is worse people then you
[06:29:43] <tjb1> This one town I go into, full service and I cant even load Google
[06:30:04] <tjb1> They must have 1 tower supplying the whole town
[06:35:18] <tjb1> Will have to wait until August 17 to start buying parts for plasma table
[06:35:41] <tjb1> :(
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[07:01:06] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[07:06:57] <tjb1> Hello DJ9DJ
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[07:10:04] <mayank_> Hi, I am not able to open an ini file created with emc2.4.6 stepconf in emc2.5.0
[07:10:21] <mayank_> can someone please suggest what i can do to fix this
[07:10:39] <r00t4rd3d> what happens when you click it?
[07:11:01] <r00t4rd3d> right click a ini file, goto properties, opens with , gedit.
[07:11:10] <mayank_> ok
[07:11:18] <mayank_> it opens
[07:11:37] <r00t4rd3d> oh wait
[07:11:59] <mayank_> i can use it to launch linuxcnc (emc 2.5.0)
[07:12:04] <r00t4rd3d> i thought you were just trying to open a ini file
[07:12:17] <mayank_> i need to modify it using stepconf
[07:12:44] <r00t4rd3d> you can modify it with gedit manually
[07:13:21] <mayank_> im a bit of a noob... would prefer the security of limited damage that comes with the stepconf ui :)
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[07:13:42] <r00t4rd3d> what are you trying to do?
[07:13:52] <mayank_> just open the ini file with stepconf
[07:14:00] <r00t4rd3d> for what reason
[07:14:26] <mayank_> i have to setup spindle PWM control
[07:14:37] <mayank_> which i have not yet set up
[07:14:45] <mayank_> so.. need to make that modification
[07:15:49] <mayank_> i think if i use gedit, i ll have to modify both the ini and the hal files for this... right?
[07:17:43] <r00t4rd3d> i just have a router so I have no idea
[07:18:10] <r00t4rd3d> you cant just make a new ini with 250?
[07:18:27] <mayank_> i also just have a router...
[07:18:40] <r00t4rd3d> i mean i never setup pwn spindle control stuff
[07:18:49] <r00t4rd3d> would be a better statement.
[07:19:01] <r00t4rd3d> or messed with hal, yet.
[07:19:02] <mayank_> yeah.. but i foolishly havent saved my settings...
[07:19:07] <mayank_> oh okies
[07:19:33] <r00t4rd3d> others here have, buts its 3am and not very active this time of night
[07:22:36] <mayank_> aaah... i see.. will probably try later then :)
[07:22:47] <mayank_> its middle of the day here for me ...
[07:24:49] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: I forgot to ask when you were active, how is the paint on the mdf holding up?
[07:25:04] <archivist> mayank_, stepconf does not open old files, it has its own history and it writes out a new file, you should edit an ini
[07:26:26] <mayank_> archivist, so there is no way to get stepconf to open the old file...?
[07:26:50] <mayank_> i must either edit the ini or create a new file using stepconf...
[07:26:55] <mayank_> right?
[07:27:16] <archivist> no, it opens its history file (you select), you then adjust and write a new ini etc
[07:28:00] <mayank_> i see...
[07:28:08] <mayank_> ok thanks :)
[07:28:26] <archivist> so advice is never use stepconf after editing a a file, because stepconf will lose your changes
[07:29:15] <mayank_> ok
[07:29:30] <archivist> iirc it is mentioned on the first stepconf screen :)
[07:30:23] <mayank_> yes... i was just hoping to modify this ini using a new stepconf. i now see that cant be done...
[07:30:36] <mayank_> i have never modified it by hand
[07:30:37] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, good but its all getting replaced. I only have 2 pieces of MDF left in my machine.
[07:30:49] <tjb1> Oak?
[07:30:59] <r00t4rd3d> oak plywood
[07:31:33] <r00t4rd3d> i redid some in aluminum too
[07:31:44] <tjb1> I shall keep checking your thread
[07:31:49] <tjb1> Have you seen Big Bamboo?
[07:31:51] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/diy-cnc_router_table_machines/152794-mdf_madness.html
[07:31:59] <r00t4rd3d> I havent
[07:32:32] <tjb1> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/cnc_wood_router_project_log/135232-big_bamboo_-_new_machine-7.html
[07:34:13] <tjb1> Its pretty cool looking
[07:34:14] <tjb1> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-kK9kmCcYwXw/TqI6Hni-XiI/AAAAAAAAC5c/7uiY59whSy4/s912/P1020810.JPG
[07:34:34] <tjb1> And this guy has a lot of patience - https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IWSAXrrWF4g/TqOzJs4t84I/AAAAAAAAC5g/ekF-vPlp05s/s1024/P1020812.JPG
[07:34:35] <r00t4rd3d> ha. I am about to do a bamboo flooring, it 3/4" too
[07:34:51] <r00t4rd3d> -a
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[07:36:05] <tjb1> I dont have the patience for wood work
[07:37:01] <tjb1> I also dont have the patience for the cheap ass screws supplied with many items that go in a new kitchen :)
[07:37:49] <tjb1> I broke 3 - #2 Phillips on saturday
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[08:13:34] <r00t4rd3d> dollar store screw drivers?
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[08:43:56] <r00t4rd3d> never buy a westinghouse lcd monitore
[08:44:01] <r00t4rd3d> monitor*
[08:44:17] <r00t4rd3d> fucking things eat power supplies like crazy
[08:44:25] <r00t4rd3d> damn bad caps
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[10:57:45] <r00t4rd3d> yay, unexpected day off.
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[11:02:54] <RussianKid> I'm writing a CNC feed and speed calculator app, and am struggling to find a decent chipload table with enough values. does anyone have any ideas?
[11:04:30] <MrSunshine> hmm, how high ripple on the analog input voltage can you have on a frequency inverter ?
[11:05:55] <r00t4rd3d> who can spot where this is bad?
[11:05:56] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/bFNP4.jpg
[11:06:16] <r00t4rd3d> it came out of a LCD monitor, power supply.
[11:06:47] <MrSunshine> 5.255 high peak, 5.246 low peak
[11:06:49] <MrSunshine> is what i got
[11:06:58] <MrSunshine> so a ripple of 0.01V about
[11:08:09] <r00t4rd3d> no one else is awake yet but me :)
[11:10:23] <r00t4rd3d> o_-
[11:12:07] <r00t4rd3d> do you have the data sheet for your inverter?
[11:12:49] <MrSunshine> well, got the manual but dont know if that is much help =)
[11:14:14] <Valen> whats wrong with it r00t4rd3d?
[11:14:18] <r00t4rd3d> does your output change?
[11:14:45] <MrSunshine> huh ?
[11:14:47] <MrSunshine> change ?
[11:15:10] <r00t4rd3d> i am guessing there is a output somewhere on it?
[11:16:01] <r00t4rd3d> nvm
[11:16:29] <MrSunshine> i got a 10.5V output from it that i need to make 0 - 10V so im doing pwm on it with two low pass filters, then an opamp to get low impedance ouput for the inverter
[11:16:45] <MrSunshine> pwm from linuxcnc
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[11:19:03] <r00t4rd3d> valen the caps are bad, middle right. You see how some of the tops are bulged and leaking electrolyte?
[11:19:40] <Valen> not paticularly clear in a top down photo
[11:19:56] <r00t4rd3d> that makes the power fluctuate.
[11:20:02] <r00t4rd3d> and the monitor will not come on
[11:22:35] <r00t4rd3d> this will be the second time i replace it. The monitor cost me 350 at the time though so its worth it. 20 bucks for a new supply.
[11:24:30] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/ElDOi.jpg
[11:24:35] <r00t4rd3d> a better pic of the bad caps
[11:24:45] <r00t4rd3d> the one closest in the pic is okay, the rest are shot.
[11:26:03] <Valen> replace the caps with some non crap ones
[11:26:25] <r00t4rd3d> i could but i dont have much spare time
[11:26:48] <r00t4rd3d> and i dont want to wait for decent caps from china
[11:27:05] <r00t4rd3d> i have some
[11:27:07] <MrSunshine> does that even go together ?
[11:27:11] <MrSunshine> decent and china? :P
[11:27:31] <r00t4rd3d> every electronic device you own has stuff made from china in it.
[11:27:41] <r00t4rd3d> including your inverter.
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[11:29:05] <r00t4rd3d> valen, http://www.ebay.com/itm/270993934829?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[11:29:09] <r00t4rd3d> much easier :)
[11:29:19] <MrSunshine> its a japanese inverter so i guess so :P
[11:30:34] <r00t4rd3d> he already put the good caps in
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[11:32:15] <r00t4rd3d> i do like to pcb solder but the repair kit for this board is like 6 caps, 2 mosfets, and one smd fuse.
[11:32:40] <r00t4rd3d> or spend 23 bucks
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[11:34:21] <r00t4rd3d> im not really a fan of soldering smd fuses either.
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[11:43:08] <Loetmichel> g'day!
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[11:54:45] <jthornton> wow, no spammers tried to register last night
[11:57:28] <Jymmm> **************************
[11:57:29] <Jymmm> ** FREE SLURPY TOMORROW **
[11:57:29] <Jymmm> **************************
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[12:17:24] <r00t4rd3d> FREE VIAGRA!
[12:18:43] <r00t4rd3d> My dearest friend, I have a financial situation that needs your immediate attention. 60 MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!
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[12:40:38] <_abc__> Are there success stories of patching Debian with inuxcnc?
[12:44:06] <jdh> for the most part, I think people just use ubuntu. I think it takes some small level of masochism to force linuxcnc on other distributions
[12:44:40] <jthornton> well if you have nothing to do for weeks on end give it a try
[12:45:45] <Jymmm> iirc Tom_itx did
[12:45:53] <jdh> see.
[12:46:12] <Jymmm> Well, he got tired of ubuntu's bullshit I believe.
[12:46:23] <jdh> debian has its own bs
[12:46:44] <Jymmm> Not the dependancy isues like ubuntu
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[12:50:31] <jdh> I haven't really run in to any issues, but I pretty much just do linuxcnc on that box.
[12:51:30] <mozmck> dependency issues? I have run debian and ubuntu for years and have had more problems on debian that way. Of couse I run the "unstable" branch.
[12:52:34] <Jymmm> mozmck: you rebel you
[12:54:36] <mozmck> :) I'm curious what dependency issues he had. I don't have much problem with either. I haven't liked any rpm based distro that I've tried though.
[12:56:02] <Jymmm> One example... I didn't have a sound card, but it installed totem anyway. Ok, so I went to uninstall Totem and it took X with it.
[12:57:29] <mozmck> Oh, I see! I have seen some of that before when uninstalling. But I just had that problem most recently on debian trying to upgrade and remove a *lot* of stuff on my laptop.
[12:58:33] <Jymmm> I don't upgrade any OS, just asking for trouble, residue, etc. Far simpler to just install fresh and restore your data.
[12:58:35] <_abc__> I only upgrade/update manually. Been at linux since 1995. I trust automated updates about as little as I trust Ballmer
[12:59:27] <_abc__> :) ye of little source code authoring volume
[12:59:51] <jdh> what is it you want to patch? the kernel or vim?
[12:59:53] <Jymmm> _abc__: I got a 8TB NAS biotch =)
[13:00:13] <_abc__> Wow. Share the movies scrooch
[13:00:21] <_abc__> :)
[13:00:26] <Jymmm> Got Bandwidth?
[13:01:16] <_abc__> I want to know if people managed to run linuxcnc on debian systems.
[13:01:27] <mozmck> Jymmm: I ran a debian "unstable" box as my main box for around 6 years, and then as a server for another 4, and did nothing but incremental upgrades on it. Only ever had minor problems and those were caused by bad packages on unstable.
[13:01:31] <_abc__> >> jdh
[13:01:57] <Jymmm> _abc__: yes
[13:02:03] <_abc__> Maz that has changed a bit heh...
[13:02:59] <Jymmm> mozmck: I'm more and more using CentOS on servers, debian/ubuntu on workstations
[13:03:27] <mozmck> interesting. I've not tried that one (or a bunch of others)
[13:03:43] <mozmck> what do you like about it?
[13:04:08] <_abc__> I am so fed up with linux paradigm changes that bsd's siren song is calling me. Again.
[13:04:42] <_abc__> Centos is source compiled? Or was that arch?
[13:04:54] * Loetmichel just hat a interesting problem wirth ubuntu ... installed on a server with 5 NICs, wanted to generate traffic on at least two,,, assigend IPs and tried to ping from 2 laptops...
[13:05:09] <Jymmm> mozmck: I worked at a DC (datacenter), and CentOs was on a majority of servers across 1000's of customers. It's just stable, fast, sorta kinda backed by EH so you know if any bugs come out, they'll get fixed
[13:05:12] <Loetmichel> nothing... had to put the nics in differen networks..
[13:05:21] <Jymmm> RH
[13:05:23] <Loetmichel> seems logical in the aftermaht
[13:06:03] <_abc__> Loet you can have them on the same net if you add route rules for each
[13:06:23] <Loetmichel> but i know there ios amode to set the nics as "on the same net, operating as a switch"
[13:06:42] <_abc__> Which amounts to subnetting of sorts
[13:06:48] <Jymmm> mozmck: Another place I worked we had maybe 1200 servers with CentOS. If a box was dying/dead, the system was setup in such a way that we could bring up 50-100 new boxes in about 2h fully configured.
[13:07:07] <_abc__> Loet that is called bridging. See brctl
[13:07:31] <Loetmichel> wasnt a problem, was just ffor test /measurement of EMI of the server
[13:07:44] <Loetmichel> there had just to be traffic on fibre and rj45
[13:07:45] <Jymmm> mozmck: Took you longer to unpack the servers than it did to config.
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[13:10:03] <mozmck> I see.
[13:10:59] <Jymmm> mozmck: One thing about CentOS is that it runs lean. Instead of installing everything, You install what you want, be it utilities, editors, DB's, etc
[13:22:06] <Jymmm> But for example, you had mentioned that BRB are wired as NC circuits. But You wire such things as BOTH NC and NO, this way if the wire gets shorted out or gets cut, you're covered either way.
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[13:38:43] <gmagno> damn, I'm having that error again... this is worrying me :-| yesterday someone said it could be the fact that I didn't do latency test. I did that test, and max jitter was under 10000ns so I set as "Base period maximum jitter" 20 000ns Is this correct? (the error: http://minus.com/mNam2TX0/)
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[13:39:42] <skunkworks> 20000 might be too low... (for 10k jitter)
[13:39:55] <skunkworks> try 25 or 30K
[13:39:58] <gmagno> what would you recommend
[13:40:02] <gmagno> ok
[13:40:55] <gmagno> and it's funny, I have to reboot pc to things work... for a while of course...
[13:41:23] <skunkworks> gmagno, what is the computer hardware? I might run a memcheck on the system...
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[13:45:09] <gmagno> skunkworks, this is an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ with 1GB memory
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[13:51:33] <gmagno> skunkworks, I'm doing the grub memory test
[13:51:57] <skunkworks> Good - that is a good test to run
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[14:02:50] <jdh> anything in dmesg? That doesn't sound like it would be a latency related error.
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[14:07:13] <jdh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=16&id=16746
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[14:08:27] <gmagno> hmm
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[14:08:49] <gmagno> I'll try run it in console mode as soon as the test ends
[14:09:00] <gmagno> so far no errors
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[14:11:26] <r00t4rd3d> memory errors are highly unlikely.
[14:12:35] <r00t4rd3d> if your bios recognizes where and what it is, 99.9% of the time its fine.
[14:13:05] <r00t4rd3d> memtest is for old shit computer
[14:13:20] <jdh> and getting the same error in the same place doing teh same thing is way too coincidental to be memory
[14:15:39] <r00t4rd3d> im going to get some wood hardener and harden my wood.
[14:15:54] <jdh> pr0n?
[14:16:02] <r00t4rd3d> nah minwax
[14:16:33] <gmagno> yup
[14:16:36] <gmagno> no memory errors
[14:17:10] <r00t4rd3d> what was the error?
[14:17:33] <gmagno> r00t4rd3d, http://minus.com/mNam2TX0/
[14:17:34] <r00t4rd3d> nvm i see
[14:18:06] <r00t4rd3d> what kind of keyboard do you have
[14:18:06] <gmagno> that happens after playing a bit with the axis on stepconf
[14:18:13] <r00t4rd3d> are you using english?
[14:18:18] <gmagno> always english
[14:18:54] <r00t4rd3d> is it a standard keyboard?
[14:19:18] <gmagno> portuguese keyboard
[14:19:49] <r00t4rd3d> io errors are normally hardware. Seems like when you hit + it crashes?
[14:20:14] <gmagno> well, I'm actually using the mouse only
[14:20:32] <r00t4rd3d> do you have a keyboard plugged in?
[14:20:36] <gmagno> I mean, the error is thrown after pressing the arrows
[14:20:40] <gmagno> you know, testing the axis
[14:20:45] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[14:20:58] <gmagno> and it's not all the time
[14:21:05] <r00t4rd3d> unplug your keyboard and try iy
[14:21:07] <r00t4rd3d> it*3
[14:21:15] <gmagno> it*3 ?
[14:21:22] <r00t4rd3d> it*
[14:21:27] <gmagno> ah :P
[14:21:37] <r00t4rd3d> it doesnt crash everytime?
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[14:21:43] <jdh> reboot, run stepconf from a terminal. look for errors. Check dmesg after it fails
[14:21:53] <r00t4rd3d> jdh thats sloppy
[14:22:33] <r00t4rd3d> tail -f /var/log/dmesg
[14:22:50] <r00t4rd3d> in a term, then run your program and watch for errors as they happen
[14:23:33] <jdh> still need to run stepconf from a term
[14:24:02] <r00t4rd3d> tail monitors a log file for changes and shows the change in the term
[14:24:23] <jdh> still need to run stepconf from a term
[14:24:55] <gmagno> btw, jdh i did the dmesg, what should I look for in all that info?
[14:25:02] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[14:25:08] <jdh> an error
[14:25:20] <jdh> or pastebin the output
[14:26:33] <r00t4rd3d> gmango open a terminal, type in tail -f /var/log/dmesg , then run stepconf. Watch the terminal and any new system or program errors will pop up in the terminal. Will help you narrow it down instead of looking through a file of mumbo jumbo,
[14:28:07] <r00t4rd3d> i think your problem is the Portuguese keyboard.
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[14:29:34] <pcw_home> right but as jdh says you _still_ have to run stepconf in a terminal if its anything like the other
[14:29:35] <pcw_home> LinuxCNC GUI programs, dmesg does not necessarily log everything important
[14:30:27] <r00t4rd3d> he is having an ioerror though so i doubt it has anything to do with linuxcnc
[14:30:39] <pcw_home> you dont know
[14:30:39] <r00t4rd3d> i could be high though
[14:31:26] <r00t4rd3d> me!
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[14:33:02] <pcw_home> I'm just saying that for example LinuxCNC errors are often more easily diagnosed with messages it prints to the console, and stepconf may be similar
[14:33:14] <gmagno> jdh, I'm sure your eyes will things mine can't: http://codepad.org/VvpELhan (this is taking time because my linuxcnc pc has no net connection...)
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[14:34:09] <r00t4rd3d> use pastebin.com
[14:34:20] <gmagno> r00t4rd3d, why would i do that?
[14:34:36] <r00t4rd3d> codepad is slow...
[14:34:55] <gmagno> :-o
[14:36:49] <pcw_home> (and the dmesg is truncated so anythin interesting is gone)
[14:36:54] <r00t4rd3d> are you using the nvidia drivers?
[14:37:05] <gmagno> r00t4rd3d, :-o
[14:37:06] <gmagno> no
[14:37:07] <r00t4rd3d> the proprietary ones?
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[14:37:26] <gmagno> �ctually i did not install any drivers yet
[14:37:39] <jdh> I take it you didn't run stepconf before running dmesg?
[14:37:41] <gmagno> i just installed linuxcnc ubuntu
[14:38:13] <r00t4rd3d> i dont see any thing wrong in your dmesg
[14:38:15] <gmagno> jdh, you're right. Sry my ignorance, but what exacly does dmesg?
[14:39:01] <pcw_home> logs kernel messages (man dmesg)
[14:39:26] <gmagno> hmm i see, then I should be logging that when the error occurs
[14:40:07] <jdh> you can 'sudo dmesg -c' to wipe out the buffer before running stepconf
[14:40:18] <pcw_home> also run stepconf from a terminal
[14:40:30] <gmagno> and now I understand what r00t4rd3d just said above with tail -f ...
[14:40:54] <gmagno> jdh, hmm ok
[14:41:30] <pcw_home> control alt T to pop up a terminal
[14:41:32] <pcw_home> type
[14:41:34] <pcw_home> stepconf
[14:41:36] <pcw_home> in terminal
[14:42:10] <gmagno> ok
[14:42:21] <r00t4rd3d> and try and get it to crash
[14:42:43] <r00t4rd3d> and see if the term outputs an error
[14:43:38] <gmagno> yup, Im doing that
[14:43:58] <gmagno> thanks and sry for noob behaviour
[14:44:29] <r00t4rd3d> normal
[14:44:57] <gmagno> :)
[14:45:14] <gmagno> btw, do you get some warnings when launching stepconf through consoe?
[14:45:19] <gmagno> this seems to be gtk+
[14:45:34] <gmagno> glade related
[14:45:37] <gmagno> gui
[14:46:09] <gmagno> this warning are not thrown by dmesg, but stepconf intead
[14:46:13] <r00t4rd3d> that should be fine
[14:46:21] <gmagno> these warningS in fact
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[14:46:55] <r00t4rd3d> gtk is just what renders the box on your screen
[14:47:16] <gmagno> r00t4rd3d, i've programmed with gtk+ and gtkmm before, I'm ok with that
[14:47:17] <r00t4rd3d> it probably just doesnt like being run from a term and its letting you know
[14:48:19] <gmagno> it is pretty robust right now... lol
[14:49:52] <r00t4rd3d> just buy a intal atom d525 and be done with it
[14:50:02] <r00t4rd3d> 79 bucks
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[14:53:00] <pcw_home> hmm stepconf even works on a sim config
[14:53:19] <r00t4rd3d> its not crashing any more?
[14:53:25] <gmagno> no
[14:53:37] <gmagno> he knows we're watching him
[14:53:45] <gmagno> :)
[14:53:53] <r00t4rd3d> do you have motors hooked up?
[14:54:04] <gmagno> hooked up?
[14:54:15] <r00t4rd3d> plugged in
[14:54:36] <gmagno> the motors are fine, and working
[14:55:03] <gmagno> I would show you if IRC allowed video broadcast
[14:55:11] <gmagno> everything is moving fine
[14:56:02] <r00t4rd3d> is the keyboard plugged in?
[14:56:08] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: you mean: i have overdone it to use a C2d ~3ghz?
[14:56:12] <gmagno> r00t4rd3d, it is
[14:56:14] <Loetmichel> ;-)))
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[14:56:52] <Loetmichel> gambakufu: bambuser?
[14:57:54] <r00t4rd3d> render times are probably better
[14:58:35] <Loetmichel> grrr... i meant: gmago
[14:58:37] <gmagno> r00t4rd3d, i just used the keyboard to circulate through window widgets and also unplugged and plugged the keyboard
[14:58:43] <gmagno> its gmagno :D
[14:58:52] <Loetmichel> yes
[14:59:07] <gmagno> bambuser?
[14:59:24] <gmagno> oh
[14:59:29] <gmagno> im googling it
[14:59:43] <Loetmichel> http://bambuser.com/v/2720863
[14:59:45] <Loetmichel> like this
[15:00:33] <gmagno> :D :D
[15:00:40] <gmagno> is that you?
[15:00:58] <Loetmichel> yes
[15:01:09] <jdh> and he's not using it for self-pr0n this time.
[15:01:23] <gmagno> gonna try that for fun
[15:01:59] <gmagno> installing :D
[15:02:26] <Loetmichel> that runs from the browser ;-9
[15:03:52] <gmagno> I prefer using my phone
[15:05:01] <gmagno> brb wc
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[15:19:57] * Loetmichel hat used his linuxCNC box to display the video, plug in the usbCam AND send it to VNC, AND send it to bambuser broadcast...
[15:20:03] <Loetmichel> AND milling of course...
[15:20:16] <Loetmichel> maybe there's a reason i opted for the fat CPU?
[15:20:21] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[15:21:13] <r00t4rd3d> Loetmichel, stick up your middle finger
[15:21:29] <Loetmichel> I DO have some heat rrelated problems, that aris due the pizzabox cpu case i presume
[15:21:49] <r00t4rd3d> NO
[15:22:15] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12250
[15:22:26] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12265
[15:22:58] <Loetmichel> i think the cpu can simply not "breathe"
[15:23:27] <Loetmichel> i have occasionally reboots out of the blue, but only after prolonged run of the machine
[15:23:29] <r00t4rd3d> what are you cutting?
[15:23:43] <jdh> is there a way to tell where a picture came from on the wiki?
[15:23:56] <Loetmichel> aluminium, CF, GF and plastics
[15:24:00] <Loetmichel> and wood of course
[15:24:04] <r00t4rd3d> no i mean now
[15:24:49] <r00t4rd3d> what is the part you are cutting?
[15:24:56] <r00t4rd3d> on bambuser
[15:26:24] <jdh> archivist?
[15:27:27] <jdh> archivist: were you fixing dead wiki links? The download link for dxf2gcode at http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_EMC_G-Code_Generators is dead. And I'd love to know where that pic came from that shows it in inches.
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[15:30:20] <archivist> I have been fixing dead links but not trawled external links yet, not found the right hack to do to the spider
[15:31:27] <archivist> you mean http://www.christian-kohloeffel.homepage.t-online.de/dxf2gocde.html ? worksfome
[15:31:59] <archivist> and its really on http://code.google.com/p/dxf2gcode/
[15:32:02] <jdh> no, the "Download from here:"
[15:33:27] <archivist> ah ok I think that should change probably to the google code page
[15:34:43] <gmagno> http://bambuser.com/v/2817752
[15:34:46] <gmagno> :)
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[15:38:32] <gmagno> bambuser is nice
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[15:46:31] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: that was a recording
[15:46:50] <Loetmichel> bambuser plays liffe and saves it so you can look at it afterwarts
[15:46:59] <Loetmichel> -t+d
[15:47:21] <gmagno> the world is becoming a Big Brother
[15:47:52] <Loetmichel> hmm, is that a IBVM?
[15:47:57] <Loetmichel> -v
[15:48:09] <Loetmichel> ah, you'
[15:48:12] <Loetmichel> re portugese ;-)
[15:48:47] <Loetmichel> oh, no ibm, itglare display
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[16:00:26] <gmagno> im shocked with bambuser... http://bambuser.com/v/2817436
[16:01:20] <gmagno> oh and that is complete�y off-topic, so Im very sorry
[16:01:30] <r00t4rd3d> i just wiped out on my bike in front of a whole gaggle of people.
[16:01:31] <gmagno> could not help it
[16:01:59] <Loetmichel> ?
[16:02:06] <r00t4rd3d> this old dude was laughing at me
[16:02:58] <r00t4rd3d> i was taking a corner maybe alittle too fast and i hit a bump and the read wheel slid right out from under me
[16:03:09] <Loetmichel> so what?
[16:03:18] <Loetmichel> get up, get the bike, go on
[16:03:26] <r00t4rd3d> i did. it was still running
[16:03:30] <Loetmichel> happened to me all the time...
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[16:03:45] <Loetmichel> even wwith the scooter ;-)
[16:04:05] <Loetmichel> <. going home, brb
[16:04:23] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/4aalk.jpg
[16:04:25] <r00t4rd3d> that is my bike
[16:06:08] <gmagno> :D
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[16:21:20] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[16:22:00] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: nice
[16:22:13] <Loetmichel> is that a chainsaw engine?
[16:22:42] <archivist> looks like a Whizzer
[16:22:59] <skunkworks> dad had a wizzer when he was a kid
[16:28:03] <r00t4rd3d> its actually a bicycle engine from china
[16:29:01] <archivist> skunkworks, I saw a shit load of them at a bike swap meet near Chicago
[16:30:26] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/80cc-motorized-BICYCLE-ENGINE-KIT-gas-motor-bike-silver-big-mount-slant-Z80-/160838348186?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_100&hash=item2572b66d9a&vxp=mtr
[16:30:37] <r00t4rd3d> that guy uses i pic of my bike in his ad
[16:30:44] <r00t4rd3d> i bought my engine from himi
[16:31:10] <r00t4rd3d> err typos
[16:31:18] <r00t4rd3d> a pic*
[16:31:23] <r00t4rd3d> him*
[16:31:51] <jdh> how loud is it?
[16:32:34] <r00t4rd3d> well i got an expansion chamber on it now so its kinda loud.
[16:32:46] <r00t4rd3d> small chain saw
[16:33:02] <MrSunshine> yey etched my new vfd control board =)
[16:33:21] <MrSunshine> 3 digital inputs (forward/reverse and something more :P) and one digital input for a square wave pwm =)
[16:33:29] <MrSunshine> 0 - 10V out for speed controll =)
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[16:34:36] <archivist> skunkworks, r00t4rd3d whizzers http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJC/pg0003.jpg
[16:34:37] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.pistonbikes.com/Grubee-Skyhawk-Bicycle-Motor-p/1gru66sshaf.htm
[16:34:45] <r00t4rd3d> that is the engine kit to get if you want one
[16:34:49] <MrSunshine> need to drill it and solder it for testing tonight =) then over to friend for oscilloscope hookup hopefully :P
[16:35:05] <r00t4rd3d> i know all about whizzers
[16:35:52] <r00t4rd3d> people in the motorized bicycle world covet their tanks
[16:36:37] <archivist> and real bikers laugh
[16:37:12] <Loetmichel> hmm...
[16:37:47] <Loetmichel> i know a fellow who has 2 10kW brushless on his bicycle....
[16:38:01] <r00t4rd3d> most real bikers i encounter are amazed at my bike
[16:38:23] <Loetmichel> there will be a stuck laugh in every "real bikers" throat....
[16:38:26] <r00t4rd3d> the ruff and tough harley dudes really like it
[16:38:31] <r00t4rd3d> oddly
[16:38:36] <jdh> bikers or bicyclists
[16:38:58] <r00t4rd3d> normal spandex wearing bicyclist's hate me though.
[16:39:15] <r00t4rd3d> i love when i ride up on a group
[16:39:28] <Loetmichel> if you see a video whre both bicycle wheels are turning in standstill 'til they smoke...
[16:39:53] <Loetmichel> and propel the bike in less than 3.5 secs to 100kmh...
[16:40:38] <Loetmichel> and all with not more than a "chirp" from below the seat ;-)
[16:43:09] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Whizzer-Gas-Tank-50s-OEM-Vintage-Scooter-Motorized-Bicycle-Body-Restoration-/400243547942?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d305fdf26&vxp=mtr
[16:43:14] <r00t4rd3d> i would love that tank
[16:43:54] <jdh> I like my Yukon XL
[16:44:31] <r00t4rd3d> doors are for pussies
[16:44:41] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[16:46:55] <jdh> so, if you google those motors/bikes, the common theme seems to be that the dealers all suck, the parts are bad quality, even if you are expecting chinese junk, and every single piece has to be hand-fitted?
[16:47:08] <Loetmichel> jdh: hrhr, prototype of the american "big ship"... and then cloplain once more about high gas prices ;-)
[16:47:41] <jdh> there are bigger cars than mine.
[16:48:07] <Loetmichel> i totally belive that
[16:48:19] <r00t4rd3d> jdh
[16:48:24] <jdh> I think the ford expedition is bigger.
[16:48:24] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.pistonbikes.com/Grubee-Skyhawk-Bicycle-Motor-p/1gru66sshaf.htm
[16:48:31] <Loetmichel> i am driving a big car (for germans anyway) , too
[16:48:35] <r00t4rd3d> those are the quality engines to get
[16:49:11] <Loetmichel> but i get about 26 MPG, DIEsel
[16:49:26] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.piratecycles1.com/
[16:49:29] <jdh> diesel costs 25% more than gas here.
[16:49:36] <r00t4rd3d> is another good place to get stuffs
[16:49:39] <jdh> or 30% maybe now
[16:49:53] <Loetmichel> over here its tha other way round
[16:50:11] <Loetmichel> diesel: 133ct/l, gasoline about 156ct/l
[16:51:23] <jdh> I had a suburban, felt bad about the gas prices so I bought a VW. Drove it for a few months and then gave in and got a YukonXL
[16:51:35] <Loetmichel> thats 6,17$ per gallon for diesel and 7,2$ per gallon for gasoline
[16:52:15] <r00t4rd3d> http://motorbicycling.com/
[16:53:13] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: i will convert my bicycle to electric any day soon, if i can find some time...
[16:53:40] <r00t4rd3d> you can get those kits on ebay too
[16:53:57] <Loetmichel> for long runs i have a car, but the "forgotten to buy some eggs or beer" runs the bike will be better ;-)
[16:54:45] <Loetmichel> i already have some 1kw brushless that will fit... and more than enough Lifepo4-batter packs for the copters
[16:55:53] <Loetmichel> just have to mount it in a way the police wont get suspicious, becvause in germany you are only allowed 250W maximum electric, and have to have a pedal switch, so that the motor only runs when you are pedaling
[16:56:18] <jdh> do the police actually care?
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[16:56:27] <Loetmichel> OH YES
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[16:58:12] <Loetmichel> if they catch you you will get an expensive ticket and a citation to court for driving without drivers license and without insurance
[16:59:09] <Loetmichel> 'cause the bike will be a motorcycle if you exceed either 250W, 25kmh or the pedal switch
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[17:03:24] <r00t4rd3d> motorized or electric bicycles are illegal in my state.
[17:03:47] <r00t4rd3d> well not illegal but you can legally ride them on public roads or sidewalks etc
[17:03:54] <r00t4rd3d> cant legally*
[17:05:34] <r00t4rd3d> the cops around here have never said anything to me though
[17:06:25] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: germany... any questions?
[17:06:35] <r00t4rd3d> 88!
[17:06:37] <Loetmichel> you know the quote from stalin?
[17:06:59] <r00t4rd3d> "psst kill the jews"?
[17:08:00] <Loetmichel> "in germany there will be no revolution... 'caus you would have to walk on the green"
[17:08:30] <jdh> I have no clue at all what that might mean.
[17:08:40] <r00t4rd3d> me niether
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[17:09:23] <technohawks> I'm having troubles setting up the microstepping correctly on my machine. The motors can 1/16th microstep, and I've used the stepconf program to do so. Except when I run the default gcode (emc2 axis) for testing purposes, there's a nasting grinding sound. Any ideas?
[17:09:46] <Loetmichel> you will find a sing on nearly every german grass field "dont step on the lawn!"
[17:09:51] <r00t4rd3d> did you test your axis in stepconf?
[17:10:07] <technohawks> PS: I am new to working with the program and cncs in general, and yes I did. They sounded perfect
[17:10:18] <jdh> IMO, 1/16 stepping doesn't do anything useful
[17:10:23] <r00t4rd3d> nope
[17:10:30] <r00t4rd3d> set to 1/2 and try
[17:10:40] <technohawks> I did. It sounds worse
[17:10:48] <Loetmichel> jdh: it smoothes motor movement
[17:10:50] <r00t4rd3d> turn the speed down
[17:10:56] <Loetmichel> ... normally
[17:11:02] <technohawks> I did that as well. It doesn't help
[17:11:04] <jdh> Loetmichel: it might, with loss of torque
[17:11:11] <r00t4rd3d> tech whats it set to?
[17:11:21] <r00t4rd3d> both settings
[17:11:23] <technohawks> what do ya mean
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[17:11:59] <r00t4rd3d> your acceleration and velocity
[17:12:30] <technohawks> acc: 1000mm/s2 vel: 20m/s
[17:12:36] <r00t4rd3d> wtf
[17:12:46] <r00t4rd3d> oh wait mm?
[17:12:51] <technohawks> yeah
[17:12:54] <technohawks> my bad
[17:13:17] <Loetmichel> 1000 is a bit much ;-)
[17:13:18] <r00t4rd3d> those are still high numbers
[17:13:32] <Loetmichel> the speed not really
[17:13:32] <r00t4rd3d> if i set mine too high i get the noises you get
[17:13:53] <r00t4rd3d> my velocity is at 0.2
[17:13:56] <technohawks> yeah, I was originally doing 80mm/s2, but it really didn't make a difference
[17:14:01] <technohawks> 0.2 mm/s
[17:14:03] <technohawks> ?
[17:14:05] <Loetmichel> technohawks: do you have a photo/some date of your machine?
[17:14:06] <r00t4rd3d> inch
[17:14:11] <technohawks> ah
[17:14:14] <Loetmichel> maybe a viddo of the "nasty" sound?
[17:14:17] <Loetmichel> video
[17:14:24] <r00t4rd3d> i have little nema23's
[17:14:31] <technohawks> nah, but I could get one
[17:14:51] <jdh> my V is 3ips (23's)
[17:14:54] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10847
[17:15:01] <r00t4rd3d> 125oz
[17:15:28] <technohawks> my motor product numbers are l252re
[17:15:32] <technohawks> from astrosyn
[17:15:41] <Loetmichel> jdh: i can go 50mm/s (2"/s) with my little 1A nema23 steppers
[17:16:01] <technohawks> they skip around 41mm/s
[17:16:01] <r00t4rd3d> i have left that number at the default 30
[17:16:50] <Loetmichel> technohawks: ouch, BIG stepeprs
[17:17:14] <r00t4rd3d> maybe not enough power?
[17:17:21] <r00t4rd3d> to run all 3
[17:17:29] <r00t4rd3d> or 2 at once
[17:17:30] <technohawks> no, it's enough, maybe .1 amp under
[17:17:43] <technohawks> i'm using gecko 201x's
[17:18:05] <r00t4rd3d> did you ever have it working?
[17:18:19] <technohawks> nah
[17:18:25] <r00t4rd3d> turn the speeds down
[17:18:33] <Loetmichel> so your supply can deliver about 3*2*4.1A= 24,6A?
[17:18:37] <Loetmichel> at about 50V?
[17:18:38] <jdh> are the step timings correct?
[17:19:08] <technohawks> yes they are and they can deliver the amperage
[17:19:34] <technohawks> and voltage
[17:19:56] <Loetmichel> hmm, strange
[17:20:03] <Loetmichel> maybe resonance speed?
[17:20:10] <Loetmichel> or does it happen on all speeds?
[17:20:15] <technohawks> speed doesn't matter by the way, if I turn it down, It just sounds worse
[17:20:34] <Loetmichel> all axis?
[17:20:37] <technohawks> yep
[17:20:37] <Loetmichel> or just one?
[17:20:45] <technohawks> all of them
[17:21:28] <Loetmichel> make a video, sometimes one can say something because of the sound
[17:21:34] <technohawks> We have an Identical machince that works perfectly with the same motors and nearly exactly the same config
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[17:21:38] <Loetmichel> or we'll see some obvious falut
[17:21:56] <technohawks> mkay
[17:23:45] <tjb1> http://fuper.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/coupler-mistake-1-300x225.jpg - what is this called?
[17:24:44] <jdh> a coupler
[17:25:24] <tjb1> Just coupler?
[17:25:47] <skunkworks> helical beam (for that style)
[17:26:19] <tjb1> Thanks skunkworks, thats the word they are using on ebay :)
[17:27:28] <jdh> some places call them 'zero backlash', some spiral
[17:28:09] <tjb1> Ill probably go with oldham
[17:28:29] <jdh> that's what I have on my mill
[17:28:49] <tjb1> The oldham?
[17:28:54] <jdh> yes
[17:29:00] <tjb1> Where did you buy yours from
[17:29:06] <jdh> they work better than they look. McMaster
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[17:30:16] <Loetmichel> oldham is this style? -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12846
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[17:30:26] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
[17:30:35] <tjb1> No Loetmichel
[17:30:39] <jdh> that looks more like a lovejoy
[17:30:40] <tjb1> Thats a spider
[17:30:46] <Loetmichel> ah, ok
[17:30:56] <tjb1> Loetmichel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utEKKox2WHA&feature=player_embedded
[17:31:25] <jdh> sdp-si has really nice looking oldham's but they cost 2-3x as much as mcmaster
[17:31:26] <Loetmichel> ah, the ones with the disc with the 2 slots, i see
[17:32:28] <gmagno> that seems expensive
[17:32:38] <Loetmichel> make them yourself
[17:32:45] <Loetmichel> lik i did with the spider ;-)
[17:32:48] <tjb1> $16 for a 3/8" oldham
[17:32:49] <gmagno> i made my couplers
[17:33:08] * skunkworks used air hose for testing...
[17:33:14] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[17:33:23] <jdh> I've done vinyl hose and clamps.
[17:33:23] * Loetmichel used garden hose once
[17:33:37] * gmagno is using garden hose
[17:35:43] <IchGuckLive> andypugh: ?
[17:36:27] <gmagno> http://min.us/m2oxr1jn1
[17:37:05] <jdh> heh, loooks like one of mine, but I used jubilee/hose clamps
[17:37:06] <IchGuckLive> at all in Europ now Geckodrives are available at retrofit in Austria !
[17:37:25] <tjb1> Must be using some good hose clamps
[17:37:26] <IchGuckLive> he has also the mesa cards available
[17:37:47] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/video/MVC-416W.MPG
[17:37:58] <gmagno> tjb1, bought them on chinese shop, can't be that good :P
[17:38:20] <gmagno> but works like a charm
[17:38:29] <tjb1> Hose clamps or the wire ties?
[17:39:06] <IchGuckLive> helix stone milling -> http://mechmo.de/saule_a.jpg
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[17:39:29] <DJ9DJ> namd
[17:39:38] <IchGuckLive> B) dj
[17:39:48] <gmagno> tjb1, this (http://www.google.com/imgres?start=130&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=1wK&channel=fs&biw=1366&bih=630&addh=36&tbm=isch&tbnid=U-QRlKAMfHGfDM:&imgrefurl=http://www.vedi-express.com/en/accessoire-bache/210-clamp-530mm-100.html&docid=lOIWkM-Ja0gnsM&imgurl=http://www.vedi-express.com/210-702-large/clamp-530mm-100.jpg&w=300&h=300&ei=vGj8T83pGKGa1AWS6aiGBw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=302&sig=103259513592322318389&page=6&tbnh=143&tbnw=143&ndsp=27&ved=1
[17:39:48] <gmagno> t:429,r:10,s:130,i:209&tx=37&ty=74)
[17:39:59] <gmagno> sry, huge link
[17:40:01] <tjb1> Thats a wire tie :)
[17:40:22] <tjb1> gmagno: https://www.google.com/search?sugexp=chrome,mod%3D8&q=wire+tie&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=9Gj8T7HwKcTm2AWWt-z8Bg&biw=1680&bih=870&sei=-Gj8T9jlLuS-2AXbqOyHBw
[17:40:47] <tjb1> wire/cable tie
[17:41:20] <gmagno> yup, that's what i used :)
[17:44:25] <tjb1> Here you go - https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tok=9v3-JAmNyAgdiV8VUo0YQA&pq=hose+clamp&cp=1&gs_id=1h&xhr=t&q=ideal+hose+clamp&safe=off&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1680&bih=870&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=7Wn8T8fmA4i02gX6q_juBg
[17:54:08] <tjb1> My new extrusions should arrive tomorrow :D
[17:58:30] <r00t4rd3d> speaking of extrusions
[18:02:00] <tjb1> Hopefully not bent by the way.
[18:02:11] <andypugh> http://bit.ly/MWyPSG
[18:02:24] <andypugh> It's a Jubilee Clip, and always will be.
[18:03:07] <r00t4rd3d> what kinda mexican is that
[18:06:15] <r00t4rd3d> i just stained some oak with dark red mahogany stain and it looks sweet.
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[18:11:17] <r00t4rd3d> i call those things zip ties
[18:11:33] <r00t4rd3d> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=zip+tie&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1600&bih=721&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=S3D8T9bsOYe16wGwo6XCBg
[18:12:02] <r00t4rd3d> stainless steel zip ties rock
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[18:12:27] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-zip-tie-12-Stainless-Steel-Exhaust-pipe-metal-Wrap-/370628428645?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item564b2d0365&vxp=mtr
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[18:13:38] <cncjerry> anybody home?
[18:13:49] <IchGuckLive> B=
[18:13:53] <skunkworks> maybe...
[18:13:56] <r00t4rd3d> o/
[18:14:02] <cncjerry> I've been upgrding my emc2 to the latest and just started testing more.
[18:14:12] <r00t4rd3d> seen tom?
[18:14:13] <cncjerry> the keyboard seems to stick when jogging. don'
[18:14:19] <cncjerry> t know how to describe it
[18:14:33] <r00t4rd3d> the motors keep going after you let off the keys?
[18:14:38] <cncjerry> it is inconsistent when tapping it. sometimes it will move a little, other times a lot
[18:14:43] <cncjerry> slightly
[18:15:10] <cncjerry> so if I tap it in continuous jog, I wont always get lest say .01 to .05, I will get .01 and then an inch
[18:15:21] <cncjerry> didn't do it on the old release, worked great
[18:15:34] <cncjerry> holding the shift and jog is worse
[18:15:50] <cncjerry> all axis
[18:16:03] <cradek> what all did you upgrade?
[18:16:03] <cncjerry> crashed a part yesterday
[18:16:13] <cncjerry> just about everything
[18:16:31] <cncjerry> I mean the entire software linux, cnc.
[18:16:39] <cradek> so you changed the whole OS
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[18:17:42] <cncjerry> yes, os
[18:20:08] <cncjerry> any ideas?
[18:20:29] <cncjerry> there is a new usb keyboard as well
[18:20:35] <cncjerry> but I doubt that is the problem
[18:20:56] <cncjerry> the keyboard has been on there before the upgrade and didn't notice it
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[18:22:47] <JT-Shop> what is your latency now?
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[18:23:53] <cncjerry> how do I check the latency? never had to
[18:24:14] <JT-Shop> from the CNC menu
[18:24:45] <cncjerry> ok, I see it, I am running a test part and will have to wait unless it can run at the same time.
[18:25:01] <JT-Shop> can't run them both
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[18:29:03] <skunkworks> cncjerry, did you install any closed source drivers if you where promted?
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[18:36:46] <skunkworks> huh = I kinda like xchat
[18:45:49] <JT-Shop> cncjerry, I've seen that gui delay when the cpu was loaded to the max or something like that iirc
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[18:47:19] <technohawks> sorry this took so long. My computer was being a pain. Here is the grinding sound my machine makes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEeyTQbeErI
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[18:53:50] <skunkworks> is it stalling?
[18:53:59] <skunkworks> (is that what we are seeing?_
[18:54:15] <technohawks> is there any sound?
[18:54:21] <technohawks> on the video i mean
[18:54:29] <skunkworks> all I hear is the stepper noise
[18:54:58] <technohawks> yeah, that's what I'm trying to fix. The grinding noise isn't healthy
[18:55:07] <archivist> I didnt think the clip was long enough nor pointing in a direction where I could tell what was supposed to move
[18:55:59] <technohawks> I couldn't make the clip any longer because my phone wouldn't allow it
[18:57:11] <technohawks> and it was running the default emc2 axis gcode that pops up when you start emc2
[18:58:06] <technohawks> should I try to get the actually cnc movement as well?
[18:58:57] <andypugh> I think that might just be what your steppers sound like.
[18:59:18] <andypugh> Can you change the pitch by grabbing hold of the motor firmly?
[18:59:27] <technohawks> no, I can'
[18:59:29] <technohawks> t
[18:59:35] <skunkworks> is it stalling?
[19:00:04] <technohawks> what do you mean exactly by stalling. BTW I'm fairly new to this kinda stuff
[19:00:15] <archivist> sometimes the way they are mounted on a frame(and the frames flexibility) will amplify the noise
[19:00:47] <archivist> the machine becomes a sounding board
[19:01:15] <technohawks> mkay, its curious as to why the exact same motor on a different machine sounds perfectly smooth
[19:01:43] <technohawks> and the machine frame is the same as well
[19:01:55] <andypugh> technohawks: As an example: http://youtu.be/JfWAteQgixY
[19:02:28] <archivist> differing resonant frequency, add ribs on the rear of offending panels
[19:03:43] <archivist> jeeeeeezuz that rattles
[19:04:13] <andypugh> There is even software to convert MIDI files to G-code http://tim.cexx.org/?p=633
[19:04:53] <skunkworks> Servos!
[19:05:21] <andypugh> That second link is actually quite tuneful!
[19:05:44] <archivist> technohawks, see the example daisy.ngc you will need to remove axes you dont have (and lose a few notes)
[19:06:19] <technohawks> ?
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[19:06:41] <technohawks> elaborate
[19:06:54] <archivist> it comes with linuxcnc in the examples directory
[19:07:01] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0re79zEX5A&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLB21EC737CE7C76D7
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[19:07:10] <andypugh> In the sample ngc files folder in a LinuxCNC install is a G-code file designed purely to play a tune.
[19:07:57] <andypugh> What we are saying is that steppers are well-known for being loud. You just have the misfortune of having a rather out-of-tune machine :-)
[19:08:59] <archivist> a solid machine will be a lot quieter,
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[19:12:52] <technohawks> ok, I guess I just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing anything horribly wrong.
[19:13:15] <technohawks> Thanks for your help!
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[19:17:32] <archivist> should I strip my hobbing machine or just add go faster bits hanging off the sides :)
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[19:21:35] <andypugh> Both?
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[19:26:56] <archivist> its a tiny machine (watch wheel cutting) but a bit of an odd design with some automatic part changing
[19:27:40] <archivist> I think 20mm is about the largest it can take
[19:30:58] <andypugh> Not ideal for cement mill ring-gears then
[19:31:45] <archivist> I think a cnc hack is add an encoder on the gear train drive out(geared from spindle) and a stepper/servo driving the gear train out to rotate the blank
[19:32:41] <archivist> those could live in a go faster bump
[19:32:46] <andypugh> I think this gear is 14m http://www.davidbrown.com/products/girth%20gear%20large.jpg
[19:33:46] <archivist> I bet that was fun to set up
[19:34:01] <andypugh> Aye, it looks like weeks of work to set up, doesn't it?
[19:35:30] <archivist> I like the "rotary is too small add parallels" trick
[19:36:42] <andypugh> They appear to be intended for the job, note how they bolt to holes in the table.
[19:37:07] <andypugh> This looks like a potentially good buy: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320941704897
[19:37:21] <Tom_itx> watch gear?
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[19:37:43] <andypugh> ( http://www.lathes.co.uk/feeler/ )
[19:39:08] <Tom_itx> andypugh did you see my little mill video?
[19:39:33] <archivist> the hardinge copy, saw one a few years ago
[19:39:50] <Tom_itx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CEqokrtFI4&feature=youtu.be
[19:40:00] <archivist> Tom_itx, you dont remember mechanical watches on your wrist?
[19:40:06] <andypugh> Looks a decent machine for £56, and with broken drives it won't feel like sacrilege to CNC-convert
[19:40:26] <Tom_itx> that gear looks like it was made in 6 or so sections
[19:40:43] <archivist> person we spoke to said they are a very good copy
[19:41:53] <andypugh> Tom_itx: What's the machine? It looks like one of the modular ones?
[19:42:03] <Tom_itx> mine?
[19:42:05] <Tom_itx> sherline
[19:42:14] <andypugh> It wants to be 4-axis
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[19:42:23] <Tom_itx> i hear it saying that too
[19:43:42] <andypugh> Argh! It's raining again. Heavily. I hope the workshop doesn't flood again.
[19:43:45] <archivist> it will be pining for 5th axis after that
[19:43:45] <Tom_itx> i wonder if it would grow if i watered it
[19:43:58] <andypugh> I suppose i need to go out there (in the rain) and pick up the sensitive stuff.
[19:45:18] <gmagno> :-/
[19:45:25] <gmagno> andypugh, where you from?
[19:46:03] <gmagno> cause here in portugal is a wonderful weather
[19:46:30] <archivist> we are in the monsoon season here
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[19:46:41] <gmagno> country?
[19:46:46] <archivist> England
[19:46:53] <ReadError> any pcb gurus ?
[19:46:58] <ReadError> (milling)
[19:47:11] <andypugh> Record-breakingly wet June. July looks like being wetter.
[19:47:11] <archivist> what definition of pcb guru
[19:47:25] <Tom_itx> no guru would mill one
[19:47:36] <gmagno> my brother is in norwich he says UK weather sucks... :-/
[19:47:53] <Tom_itx> not if you like rain
[19:48:07] <andypugh> It's goof for growing stuff.
[19:48:12] <andypugh> (good)
[19:48:17] <gmagno> I love rain in the tv
[19:48:50] <gmagno> speaking of rain... time to run for 40 mins outside :P
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[19:56:59] <ReadError> its a pretty simple one Tom_itx
[19:57:02] <ReadError> i got it in eagle
[19:57:18] <ReadError> just never done one so i wanted to see what the best tool was
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[19:58:24] <alex4nder> hey
[19:58:25] <jdh> http://www.precisebits.com/applications/pcbtools.htm
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[20:06:42] <ReadError> jdh
[20:06:47] <ReadError> i got the endmills
[20:06:51] <ReadError> i just need to make the code
[20:07:09] <jdh> heh, wrong kind of tool.
[20:07:16] <jdh> there is an eagle ULP
[20:07:44] <Tom_itx> i think you need units set to mil
[20:07:53] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure but you might try it
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[20:29:20] <Jymmm> he's alive (srota)
[20:30:47] <Jymmm> Could you guys go here http://j.maxmind.com/app/geoip.js and paste the results here http://codepad.org/ (just helping out a friend testing some things)
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[20:32:54] <Jymmm> and provide the link to the paste too please =)
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[21:00:17] <andypugh> Jymmm: http://codepad.org/QjNa4K6G
[21:00:47] <Jymmm> andypugh: TY
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[21:14:09] <archivist> Jymmm, i do not live near andypugh http://codepad.org/HBshaN9L
[21:15:03] <Jymmm> archivist: TY
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[21:15:37] <archivist> the isp hosts about 120 miles away from me
[21:15:49] <archivist> so its wrong :)
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[21:16:00] <Jymmm> heh
[21:17:22] <archivist> it lies about me self hosting too
[21:18:34] <archivist> I just measured the hobbing machine center to cutter seems to be designed for 1"
[21:20:48] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:21:58] <linux-cnc-bob> hi
[21:23:49] <linux-cnc-bob> i am making my first gcode: http://pastebin.com/3PmYjjg9
[21:24:26] <linux-cnc-bob> line 157 i have a strange thing
[21:24:31] <linux-cnc-bob> for tool radius compensation
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[21:25:02] <linux-cnc-bob> im trying to cut a circle, but it cuts a half circle also
[21:26:14] <linux-cnc-bob> eh nevermind
[21:26:17] <linux-cnc-bob> think i figured it out
[21:29:32] <archivist> cutter is 24mm dia http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_07_10_Barber_Colman/IMG_1263.JPG
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[21:34:17] <andypugh> archivist: That looks like it might do moderately big gears. Does the cutter go any higher?
[21:34:22] <Tom_itx> Jymmm those give launch coordinates
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[21:34:52] <archivist> andypugh, that is at maximum height
[21:35:08] <andypugh> Ah
[21:35:41] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: from the 50's =)
[21:35:46] <archivist> now I found the head lock and have cleaned stuff up I could move it
[21:36:59] <Tom_itx> it pisses me off when you go to a site and it takes forever to load because it's loading content from a dozen other sites
[21:37:24] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, can't help you. internal server error
[21:37:58] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: maybe try later, thanks
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[21:40:31] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, pm
[21:40:37] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: TY
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[21:41:32] <Tom_itx> you need more?
[21:42:00] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: sure, trying various places
[21:44:06] <Tom_itx> Jymmm did you watch my little video?
[21:44:25] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I dont think so
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[21:45:50] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: link?
[21:46:19] <Tom_itx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CEqokrtFI4&feature=youtu.be
[21:47:28] <Tom_itx> i cut about half the code out since then
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[21:49:46] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTinyMkII_B_front_desc.jpg
[21:49:48] <Tom_itx> end result
[21:49:57] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Cool, do you have to debur ?
[21:50:05] <Tom_itx> just a little
[21:50:16] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Are those boxes PVC?
[21:50:22] <Tom_itx> and there's always a couple flashing spots inside
[21:50:41] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure, they may be
[21:50:45] <Tom_itx> hammond enclosures
[21:51:28] <Tom_itx> ABS
[21:51:37] <Tom_itx> http://www.hammondmfg.com/dwg9TBU.htm
[21:51:43] <linux-cnc-bob> could sometime take a look at this gcode and help me fix the errors?
[21:51:45] <linux-cnc-bob> http://pastebin.com/98siJWtf
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[21:51:46] <Jymmm> yep, Im there already
[21:52:03] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Those probably could be laser cut with no deburring
[21:52:09] <Tom_itx> what's wrong with it?
[21:52:15] <Tom_itx> Jymmm i don't have a laser
[21:52:23] <Tom_itx> i do have a mini mill
[21:52:46] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Oh wait, what's this thing behind me =)
[21:52:58] <linux-cnc-bob> sorry gonna repaste it
[21:53:43] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: whch one? http://www.hammondmfg.com/1551TBUptbl.htm
[21:54:05] <archivist> linux-cnc-bob, cut some air, does it do what you think
[21:55:03] <Tom_itx> 1551FTBU
[21:55:35] <linux-cnc-bob> http://pastebin.com/42SH4YC7
[21:55:38] <Tom_itx> they have cad models
[21:55:39] <linux-cnc-bob> im cutting air only :)
[21:55:44] <linux-cnc-bob> thats where i see the error
[21:55:53] <Tom_itx> linux-cnc-bob what's it do?
[21:55:54] <linux-cnc-bob> im trying to cut a circle with radius compensation
[21:56:01] <linux-cnc-bob> and there are extra arcs being drawn
[21:56:02] <Tom_itx> still?
[21:56:03] <Tom_itx> :)
[21:56:06] <linux-cnc-bob> ya
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[21:56:44] <Tom_itx> why do you need G61?
[21:57:23] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/cnc_files/enc_hub.txt
[21:57:35] <Tom_itx> there's a sample output from my cam i cut the other day
[21:57:37] <linux-cnc-bob> it was in the original code
[21:58:02] <Tom_itx> leads in and cuts 2 circles
[21:58:22] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: how are you labeling the boxes with white?
[21:58:28] <Tom_itx> uv paint
[21:58:33] <Tom_itx> screen print
[21:58:37] <Jymmm> ah
[21:59:06] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/silkscreen/
[21:59:11] <Tom_itx> that's what i have on that topic
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[22:00:03] <linux-cnc-bob> nice code thx
[22:00:12] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: is the rough lettering due to the texture of the box?
[22:00:20] <Tom_itx> somewhat yes
[22:00:27] <Tom_itx> and the mesh on the screen
[22:00:38] <Jymmm> how so?
[22:00:55] <Tom_itx> it's probably the texture mostly
[22:01:06] <Tom_itx> but it's the best i could come up with easily
[22:01:16] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: try it on glass/plexi sometime
[22:01:23] <Tom_itx> i was gonna try to get clear stickons but my guy went out of business
[22:01:56] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: clear adhesive labels? those should be super cheap
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[22:02:19] <Tom_itx> it may look cheaper than it already does
[22:02:22] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[22:02:27] <Jymmm> heh
[22:02:28] <Tom_itx> it is what it is
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[22:02:31] <Tom_itx> ppl like em
[22:03:23] <Tom_itx> i considered milling them too but that would be a PITA
[22:03:28] <Tom_itx> then fill with ink
[22:03:32] <Tom_itx> paint whatever
[22:05:11] <Tom_itx> linux-cnc-bob i think your G41 needs a linear move to make it work but i'm not positive
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[22:18:08] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/pt07H.jpg
[22:19:06] <r00t4rd3d> my new gantry
[22:19:22] <linux-cnc-bob> nice
[22:19:47] <linux-cnc-bob> you gonna cut metal with that?
[22:19:51] <r00t4rd3d> try
[22:20:28] <linux-cnc-bob> :)
[22:21:00] <r00t4rd3d> my machine is already built and cutting right now, im just doing some upgrades to hardwood and aluminum and supported rails.
[22:22:00] <linux-cnc-bob> should be pretty rigid with those supported rails
[22:22:50] <linux-cnc-bob> makes me wonder why they dont always use supported rails!
[22:22:59] <linux-cnc-bob> seems like they would be a lot better
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[22:38:00] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: Seems to me that twice as many screws wouldn't hurt.
[22:42:04] <Tom_itx> drill thru and use tension rods
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[22:43:39] <Tom_itx> probably impractical
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[23:31:07] <andypugh> djdelorie: Do you have a few minutes?
[23:31:16] <djdelorie> sure
[23:32:56] <andypugh> You recall a while ago helping me with how to populate a struct in a header file? Well it's working well, but I now feel that perhaps there is a neater way to work with the "expanded" version.
[23:33:07] <andypugh> http://codepad.org/LDnxhy0a
[23:34:03] <andypugh> I suspect that with the correct syntax I can populate the array of structs, then assign the whole thing in one line in the function?
[23:37:23] <djdelorie> looking...
[23:37:25] <andypugh> ie, change lines 53 to 65 to chan->globals = hm2_8i20_globals[] (or similar)
[23:38:00] <djdelorie> you can nest static data by nesting the {}
[23:38:17] <djdelorie> I.e. static const foo[] = {{data}, {data}, {data}}; etc
[23:38:25] <andypugh> Yeah.
[23:38:32] <andypugh> Exactly the plan.
[23:38:39] <djdelorie> but then it's an array, but you can memcpy the array
[23:38:51] <djdelorie> whereas structs can be assigned
[23:38:59] <djdelorie> although, internally, gcc does the same thing in both cases
[23:39:12] <andypugh> OK, it has to be memcpy not assignment? That's the sort of detail I needed.
[23:39:30] <djdelorie> right, arrays have to use memcpy, other types can use memcpy *or* straight assignment
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[23:41:24] <andypugh> Hmm, while I have your ear: Folk keep trying to munge HAL into gScheme. You have said that gEDA is good at making components from text files. Could a script spider the HAL documentation and automatically create HAL "components" in a gScheme format?
[23:42:17] <djdelorie> gschem ?
[23:42:37] <djdelorie> you want to turn documentation into schematics?
[23:42:42] <andypugh> Whatever the gEDA schematic layer is called?
[23:43:37] <andypugh> No, I want to convert the HAL documentation to a component library. Then magic would convert HAL to scematics and schematics to HAL
[23:43:58] <djdelorie> well, gschem uses guile internally, which is a scheme interpreter
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[23:44:09] <djdelorie> but "scheme" is unrelated to schematics
[23:45:14] <djdelorie> hmmm... schematics to hal should be easy, because you're going from visual to descriptive, but the other way is a bit trickier because you have to add spacial data
[23:45:27] <djdelorie> do you have an URL of an example hal doc that that you think could be converted to schematics?
[23:45:38] <djdelorie> (or more like a "block diagram" I suppose)
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[23:46:04] <linux-cnc-bob> whats a decent feed rate for milling MDF, 0.1" depth cuts with a 0.118" endmill?
[23:46:48] <linux-cnc-bob> spindle is 5000RPM+ and its a two flute bit
[23:46:56] <linux-cnc-bob> small aluminum CNC mill
[23:47:06] <andypugh> djdelorie: Very simple thing from the past: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HAL
[23:47:36] <andypugh> And a previous attempt to use gSchem http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HalSchematicsUsingGschem
[23:48:35] <djdelorie> building a HAL from a schematic should be easy and straightforward, it's "just" a new netlister
[23:48:44] <andypugh> But it seems to me that previous efforts have stalled at the work required to create the "Components" in the library.
[23:49:46] <djdelorie> if HAL can export input and output pins, djboxsym can auto-generate the symbols you need with a little filtering:
[23:50:01] <djdelorie> http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/dj_delorie/tools/djboxsym.html
[23:50:39] <andypugh> The thing is, HAL can't export anything without it being loaded.
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[23:51:07] <djdelorie> ok, if the HAL documentation can export it :-)
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[23:51:33] <andypugh> My "vision" was a script that was part of the LinuxCNC makefile which spidered the docs to create the components
[23:51:38] <djdelorie> the only hard option is to read a hal configuration file, and try to turn it into anything other than a spaghetti mess schematic :-)
[23:52:20] <djdelorie> URL for a sample page that would need to be spidered?
[23:53:16] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: That oak plywood looks good…maybe too good. You might be able to sell that at Ikea
[23:53:23] <andypugh> The docs are in a very standard format, and are largely auto-generated. Certainly any component created with "comp" has machine-generated docs. See for example: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/mux16.9.html
[23:53:35] <andypugh> (or anything else in the man9 directory)
[23:54:37] <djdelorie> might be easier to spider whatever the docs are generated from, not the docs themselves
[23:54:48] <djdelorie> but going from that pin list to a schematic symbol should be easy
[23:55:32] <andypugh> Possibly. They are auto-generated during the build phase in html, pdf and man format. Adding gEDA components as a 4th filter seems trivial (for someone else)
[23:56:06] <djdelorie> so, we can make a hal component library, and we should be able to turn a schematic into a hal config file
[23:56:20] <djdelorie> did you want to try to turn a hal config file into a schematic? That's the hard part
[23:56:53] <andypugh> And HAL to spaghetti. But that's bearable. Even spaghetti is more legible than HAL
[23:58:34] <andypugh> Someone on the mailing list did get very close to useful auto-generated schematics