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[00:11:13] <andypugh> As it is a quiet night: I was amused by the video here. Admittedly I do know the vehicle, and the people and I watched "Not the Nine O Clock News" back in the 80s, so I remember the original.
http://www.union.imperial.ac.uk/guilds/clem/
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[00:55:50] <uw> girl at 1:00 is hottt
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[00:59:45] <andypugh> Aye, and I don't actually know who she is.
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[01:08:35] <Tom_itx> for shame
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[01:37:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/2srAz.jpg
[01:38:29] <r00t4rd3d> i make this
[01:39:02] <jdh> p99?
[01:39:31] <r00t4rd3d> http://fmkfirearms.com/Products/img/l_side-1800.jpg
[01:39:56] <r00t4rd3d> 9mm
[01:39:57] <jdh> that's one ugly gun
[01:40:12] <jdh> that's uglier than a glock
[01:40:16] <r00t4rd3d> so is your wife but do we call you out?
[01:40:28] <jdh> keep that thing in a bag
[01:40:42] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[01:40:51] <r00t4rd3d> im layering it
[01:41:04] <r00t4rd3d> the image i posted is the middle
[01:41:15] <jdh> ok, but if it looks like the real one, it will be butt ugly
[01:41:54] <r00t4rd3d> more practicing making models from images then anything
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[01:42:32] <r00t4rd3d> im not a gun person, just want to see if i can do it
[01:42:57] <r00t4rd3d> i do like canons though
[01:43:07] <r00t4rd3d> i own a rebel!
[01:45:23] <jdh> what are you slicing it with?
[01:45:36] <r00t4rd3d> my brains
[01:45:51] <r00t4rd3d> i wish i was lying
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[01:47:06] <r00t4rd3d> sketchup, import image, xray view , trace it out
[01:47:39] <r00t4rd3d> phlatscript the tool path
[01:48:26] <jdh> how do you change a sketchup object from say 1.25" in one direction to 1.125"?
[01:48:44] <r00t4rd3d> type it in the dimension box in the lower right
[01:49:12] <jdh> even after it has been extruded?
[01:49:16] <r00t4rd3d> yup
[01:49:28] <r00t4rd3d> it will change
[01:50:10] <r00t4rd3d> drag an drop a roughly 4x4 box, type in the lower right 4,4
[01:50:59] <r00t4rd3d> you can do mm or down to the 32
[01:51:35] <r00t4rd3d> http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/5810406/Google.Sketchup.Pro.v8.0.3117.Incl.Keygen-MESMERiZE
[01:51:42] <r00t4rd3d> works with wine, keygen too
[01:51:55] <r00t4rd3d> try it before you buy it
[01:52:33] <r00t4rd3d> the only reason i pirate that is for the export/import
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[01:52:54] <r00t4rd3d> you can also do dxf with version 7.1 and a plugin
[01:53:16] <jdh> does phlatwtf do profiling or dropcutting or what?
[01:53:35] <r00t4rd3d> outside, inside, drill
[01:53:54] <r00t4rd3d> phlatscript makes sketchup great
[01:54:03] <r00t4rd3d> 1 in 1
[01:54:09] <jdh> I'd have to get over my sketchup bias
[01:54:19] <r00t4rd3d> i hate google too
[01:54:21] <r00t4rd3d> buit
[01:54:23] <r00t4rd3d> but
[01:54:36] <r00t4rd3d> sketch is very easy
[01:54:39] <jdh> it's not google, it's the art vs. engineering of sketchup
[01:54:46] <r00t4rd3d> and plenty of models and tuts
[01:54:56] <r00t4rd3d> you can be techincal with it
[01:55:02] <r00t4rd3d> choose the right template
[01:56:00] <r00t4rd3d> sketchup is as accurate as you.
[01:56:25] <jdh> I felt that way at first, until I needed to modify parts after they were in there.
[01:56:37] <r00t4rd3d> you just need to know how to use it
[01:56:47] <r00t4rd3d> like everything els
[01:56:48] <r00t4rd3d> e
[01:56:55] <jdh> I did at the time.
[01:57:02] <r00t4rd3d> try it again
[01:57:40] <r00t4rd3d> skup, draftsight, cit2d, microcarve
[01:57:48] <r00t4rd3d> cut2d*
[01:58:21] <r00t4rd3d> and install phlatscript for skup
[02:01:17] <jdh> http://www.miranda.org/~jdh/lid.skp
[02:01:29] <jdh> that was actually close to what I wanted
[02:02:06] <jdh> or this one instead
http://www.artichoke.org/lid.jpg
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[02:40:18] <r00t4rd3d> im wasted
[02:40:23] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[02:40:32] <r00t4rd3d> i cut something
[02:43:56] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/WLXYi.jpg
[02:44:25] <r00t4rd3d> fking cnc
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[03:43:35] <michael__> Good evening all. Does anyone have time to field a few start-up questions?
[03:43:37] <Connor> Good Grief.. The damn valves are all NPT.. but.. I can't source NPT connectors from the same place..
[03:44:09] <Connor> Their all BSP
[03:45:01] <Connor> or BSPT
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[04:07:32] <archivist> michael__, just ask the real question in irc
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[04:14:05] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/7YO6R.jpg
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[04:20:42] <engkur> hi all
[04:21:03] <engkur> i wonder, what is best motor stepper controller, for linuxcnc
[04:21:19] <engkur> L297/L298, or something else
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[04:24:32] <michael__> thank you. I can not get any pin to respond as expected with the exception of pin 1 (estop). Just completed a fresh install from the live CD. I've run the stepconf wizard and am checking voltage level of pins 2-7 and with the estop out, power on, voltage levels of the x-z dir pins are not responding to jogging forward or reverse. Ideas? If tried pull-up and pull-down resistor (seperately of course) No luck.
[04:24:35] <r00t4rd3d> i made a 9mm model
[04:24:37] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/7YO6R.jpg
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[04:51:17] <uw> michael__, are you able to move the machine with a signal generator?
[04:51:36] <uw> set to similar voltage as your parallel port?
[04:53:07] <uw> say by taking the x axis
[04:53:40] <uw> making the dir pin low and the step pin square waved at 500hz
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[06:56:08] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[08:21:21] <Thetawaves> hey sumpfralle, interesting work on libarea lately
[08:24:42] <sumpfralle> yes - I am also happy about the spring of acitivity
[08:32:28] <Thetawaves> i am stuck in the rat race for the time being, if you find any issues at all with my code, just send me an email (this is Whitham Reeve)
[08:32:49] <Loetmichel> *grrr* i own FOUR digital calipers... my workshop has 12m^2... i am finding: zero... time to clean up this mess!
[08:32:56] <Loetmichel> mornin' btw
[08:34:17] <Thetawaves> good morning
[08:34:36] <Thetawaves> 12:34am actually
[08:40:25] <sumpfralle> @Thetawaves: good luck with your rat race :)
[08:40:25] <sumpfralle> I will contact you in case of any weirdnesses, but I think the point transformation is well done
[08:43:29] <Thetawaves> yeah, it has come a long long way since the last release i think
[08:43:41] <Thetawaves> excellent work :)
[08:46:48] <sumpfralle> hm - but it is kind of slow :)
[08:46:49] <sumpfralle> now I try to leave featuritis behind and focus on a release - let's hope for the best ...
[08:48:33] <Thetawaves> a lot of my rendering code isn't indicated in the progress bar, and that could be improved
[08:49:38] <Thetawaves> even if it takes a while, you should know it's still working
[08:49:55] <Thetawaves> i will work on that
[08:51:18] <sumpfralle> fine!
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[12:33:06] <jthornton> yippee I just made a RPM calculator in Glade3 and Python
[12:34:08] <skunkworks> jthornton, Cool!
[12:34:58] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/7YO6R.jpg
[12:35:02] <r00t4rd3d> bang bang
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[12:46:25] <Valen> r00t4rd3d: it looks like its made out of slate lol
[12:47:57] <Jymmm> osb
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[13:06:59] <skunkworks> hey my pluto still communicates!
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[13:19:45] <Valen> is it still a planet though skunkworks?
[13:20:17] <skunkworks> No - and I am ok with that... :)
[13:20:52] <Jymmm> Yeah, becasue pluto was jfucking goofy!
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[13:33:42] <Valen> i think planetary status is something you cant revoke
[13:33:52] <Valen> all new planets must meet criteria X
[13:33:58] <Valen> but once a planet always a planet
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[13:36:36] <Jymmm> Comments?
http://www.topsknives.com/product_info.php?products_id=45&osCsid=alcbtqb8m35alqe9a4pkbqa923
[13:38:29] <Jymmm> If you are going to pay $200 for a knife, does that one come close? 4" long enough?
[13:39:27] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdAr0ZPfH8c&feature=player_embedded
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[14:10:55] <FredrikHson> hi i was wondering if its at all possible to turn something like this?
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2015/screwwp.png
[14:11:15] <FredrikHson> i know you can turn screws but with a variable core diameter
[14:12:35] <FredrikHson> 25mm pitch and 320 long at least i think it was
[14:12:37] <cradek> sure, you can do that easily on a 4 axis mill
[14:12:55] <cradek> of course supporting the workpiece will be the hard part
[14:13:18] <FredrikHson> i was thinking of the lathe but i have almost finished the 4rth axis on my mill anyway a bit to long for my mill tho
[14:13:19] <Jymmm> wouldn't that be lathe work?
[14:13:34] <JT-Shop> ha, an extruder screw
[14:13:43] <FredrikHson> exactly what it is
[14:14:23] <cradek> it would be hard but possible to do it on a lathe. I'm not sure what the tool would have to look like.
[14:15:35] <FredrikHson> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/221818159/ISO_Lathe_Tool_Holders.jpg i was thinking maybe something like this
[14:15:46] <FredrikHson> just would need a bunch of passes
[14:16:12] <FredrikHson> the thing i was wondering is how to do a screw + the variable core diameter part
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[14:17:04] <cradek> you'd program that path with g33, but really a mill is going to be easier because you can just use an end mill to cut that huge root
[14:18:10] <FredrikHson> probably the problem is that my mill only has a travel of 150mm
[14:18:32] <FredrikHson> i guess i could do it in passes and manually align it with some markings i do before cutting
[14:19:38] <FredrikHson> speaking of 4 axis work is there any good cam programs for doing toolpaths for that
[14:20:01] <FredrikHson> i just can't seem to get mastercam to work in the 4axis mode somehow
[14:20:38] <cradek> I think your part would be extremely easy to program by hand
[14:21:38] <FredrikHson> i meant for general things especially stl models :P
[14:22:08] <FredrikHson> this one is really just determining the turn speed on the a axis and the correct x axis speed and go from there
[14:24:24] <FredrikHson> i can just go the indexing way and mill parts using the regular 3 axis toolpaths i guess instead of using all 4 at once
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[15:27:19] <Jymmm> Would three 12mm (or 11mm snug) rods fit into a 28mm tube?
[15:28:42] <cradek> do you mean three 12mm OD inside 28mm ID?
[15:28:58] <Jymmm> correct
[15:30:29] <jdh> easily
[15:31:07] <Jymmm> cool, ty
[15:32:25] <Jymmm> that whole triangular stacking in a cylinder threw me off.
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[15:35:37] <jdh> I just drew them
[15:36:07] <Jymmm> hehe, that works =) and I appreciate that =)
[15:36:09] <cradek> they will fit in a 22.97 mm ID cylinder
[15:36:35] <Jymmm> nice!
[15:36:44] <Jymmm> that's LOTS of room to spare
[15:37:14] <cradek> oops, I'm wrong, 26.79
[15:37:16] <Jymmm> if you consider 4mm LOTA OF ROOM that is =)
[15:37:30] <Jymmm> that's still 2mm, more than enough!
[15:37:40] <Jymmm> ok 1mm
[15:38:09] <jdh> I got 25.89
[15:38:55] <Jymmm> I'll have to toss in the freezer to see if thermal contraction reduces that too much, but shouldn't.
[15:39:16] <cradek> 12 sqrt(3) + 6
[15:39:32] <Jymmm> + 6 ?
[15:40:28] <Jymmm> where does the '+ 6' come into play?
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[15:41:06] <cradek> hm, I'm not sure of my answer now
[15:42:16] <jdh> actually my 3 circles aren't exactly tangiential so it would be slightly smaller than that
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[15:47:32] <cradek> you are right, 25.856
[15:47:56] <jdh> so what is the math way?
[15:49:31] <cradek> 12 + 12/cos30
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[15:50:24] <cradek> it's an interesting geometry problem
[15:50:37] <Jymmm> whoa...
https://www.google.com/search?q=12+%2B+12%2Fcos+30
[15:51:06] <cradek> 30 degrees
[15:51:36] <Jymmm> https://www.google.com/search?q=12+%2B+12%2Fcos+30+degree
[15:52:17] <Jymmm> 30 or 33.333333?
[15:52:23] <cradek> 30
[15:52:36] <Jymmm> why 30?
[15:53:19] <cradek> it's half of 60. the centers of your three circles make an equilateral triangle when they're packed together, and an eq triangle has corners of 60 degrees
[15:53:41] <jdh> or (sqrt 3)/2
[15:53:42] <cradek> seeing that triangle is the key to working this problem
[15:53:43] <Jymmm> Ah, ok. TYVM =)
[15:54:12] <Jymmm> At least now I dont feel so dumb for asking the question in the first place =)
[15:54:33] <Jymmm> It SEEMED simple enough =)
[15:54:42] <cradek> yes 0.5*sqrt3 is the "height" of an eq triangle and that's another approach you might be able to use
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[15:58:30] <Jymmm> I prefer the 12 + 12/cos 30 degree instead, seems more versatile.
[15:59:15] <cradek> you should draw out the problem and see if you can find the answer too...
[16:00:14] <Jymmm> I culd have drawn it, but I much rather learn how to calc it.
[16:01:38] <cradek> drawing a picture is always the first step in geometry - don't be ashamed of that
[16:02:02] <cradek> you can skip it only if you can make the picture in your head well enough
[16:02:46] <Jymmm> Oh it's not that, I *LIKE* learning the math =)
[16:03:44] <Jymmm> I know nothing of geometry/trig, or which math to figure it out even. Till you just showed me that is
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[16:05:40] <Jymmm> Thus why I asked where the 30 came from. I thought you had rounded off the 33.333333 (100% / 3 rods)
[16:07:17] <cradek> once you understand it, see if you can solve for 7 rods
[16:07:40] <skunkworks> right angle trig has gotten me pretty far.
[16:07:43] <cradek> if you get 7 pennies you'll see they make an interesting shape when packed together
[16:08:27] <Jymmm> a flower =)
[16:09:12] <cradek> yes or you might call it a hexagon! still, it's made up of triangles you can analyze with basic trig.
[16:10:03] <Jymmm> https://www.google.com/search?q=12+%2B+12%2Fcos+15+degree
[16:13:00] <cradek> is that your guess? if so, have a look at your 7 pennies again
[16:13:44] <Jymmm> That was a guess, I believe this is the correct answer
https://www.google.com/search?q=%28%2812+%2B+12%2Fcos+30+degree%29+%2F+3%29+*+7
[16:13:59] <cradek> nope
[16:14:20] <cradek> look at your pennies. do you have pennies yet? don't skip step 1 (making a picture).
[16:14:42] <Jymmm> I have quarters, yes.
[16:15:10] <cradek> ok, say each quarter is 12 diameter. now does 60 seem right?
[16:15:34] <cradek> for that matter does 24.4 seem right (your previous answer)?
[16:15:53] <Jymmm> not at all
[16:16:07] <Jymmm> 7 is almost double that of 3
[16:16:32] <Jymmm> of a triangle that is
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[16:17:09] <cradek> hint: you can determine the answer without a calculator just by looking at your quarters
[16:17:46] <cradek> step 1 - make a picture. step 2 - don't make it harder than it is :-)
[16:18:42] <Jymmm> 3 quarters makes a triangle. 7 make a hexagon (which is a bigger triangle.
[16:19:12] <Jymmm> am i on the right track?
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[16:19:32] <cradek> I'm not sure
[16:19:35] <Jymmm> lol
[16:20:18] <cradek> brb
[16:20:27] <Jymmm> k
[16:20:47] * Jymmm thinks a bit (smell the smoke?)
[16:21:54] <Jymmm> Ok 3 coins is 2 across. 7 coins is 3 across.
[16:23:23] <jdh> that would be all you need if you were fitting them in to a hexagonal tube
[16:23:52] <Jymmm> round tube in this case =)
[16:25:45] <Jymmm> cradek: Ah HA!
https://www.google.com/search?q=%2812+%2B+12%2Fcos+30+degree%29+*1.5
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[16:31:50] <jdh> (nope)
[16:32:05] <Jymmm> Has to be
[16:33:09] <Jymmm> If the max widht of two coins is 25.9 (rounded off), then 3 coins is (3/2) times larger.
[16:33:10] <skunkworks> differential encoders used single ended - you should not need a pull up - should you?
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[16:37:42] <cradek> Jymmm: that's not correct, make a picture and see if you can understand why
[16:38:07] <jdh> huh... this one is actually really simple?
[16:38:37] <cradek> jdh: yes the 7 case is much simpler than the 3 case
[16:39:02] <jdh> it doesn't look that way with my quarters... but it is.
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[16:39:57] <Zorbo> hey hey
[16:40:08] <Zorbo> any fellahs want a project
[16:40:18] <Zorbo> I'm lookin' for some quotes
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[16:42:33] <jdh> $6m US, each.
[16:43:03] <Jymmm> ...per hour, 3 hour minimum, CBD
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[16:45:47] <Zorbo> Jymmm, is that an offer.
[16:46:42] <Jymmm> Zorbo: Sure, $6M USD per hour, 3 hour minimum, CBD, FOB Me.
[16:46:58] <Zorbo> oh, didn't se the m
[16:47:00] <Zorbo> ;p
[16:47:26] <Zorbo> but no active machinists lookin' for gravy work?
[16:47:43] <jdh> what is it
[16:47:54] <Jymmm> Zorbo: you havent said anything. for all we now it could be machining wax or uranium
[16:48:09] <Jymmm> know
[16:48:14] <Zorbo> Sorry...i assumed people would have wanted to talk more privately about it..
[16:48:22] <Zorbo> one sec, i'll upload a drawing.
[16:49:33] <Zorbo> It's a brass spool
[16:49:39] <Zorbo> 20mm in diametre.
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[16:49:57] <Zorbo> with a 5.05mm inner hole.
[16:50:15] <Jymmm> archivist:
[16:50:16] <Zorbo> http://berserkerlion.com/proto/isov2.png
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[16:51:03] <Jymmm> could described a spool or bobbin
[16:51:18] <Jymmm> you described a spool or bobbin
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[16:51:55] <Zorbo> yes.
[16:52:50] <amaldo> Is anyone using a Tormach PCNC with LinuxCNC? I'm considering ordering one, but can't find so much info about this machine in the LinuxCNC wiki or website. Tormach itself will sell a computer with EMC2 installed, but does not offer much more info than that. I'm also happy if you simply point me to the right website with the info.
[16:53:43] <jdh> amaldo: no clue what you are looking for, but they are still just stepper machines
[16:54:30] <Jymmm> Zorbo: where are you on the planet?
[16:54:39] <jdh> there are tormach configs shipped with linuxcnc
[16:54:57] <Zorbo> germany.
[16:55:24] <amaldo> jdh: yep, that is true. I was set off by the interface to the machine. It is a parallel port. Is that fairly standard on the CNC world? I have experience with a Haas machine, but it simply receives G-CODE over a serial port. I guess the parallel port must be much lower-level, maybe sending directly commands to the stepper controller.
[16:55:35] <Jymmm> Zorbo: You *might* talk to archivist (UK) when he's around.
[16:56:05] <Jymmm> Zorbo: how many?
[16:56:35] <Zorbo> I guess 10 or so
[16:56:44] <Zorbo> for a prototype run
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[16:57:00] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
[16:57:09] <jdh> in this case, the PC is the control via the p-port, rather than just drip feeding the control via serial
[16:57:15] <Zorbo> Jymmm, alright, i'll swing by and talk'em when's around
[16:57:44] <Jymmm> Zorbo: =)
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[16:58:48] <Jymmm> archivist: Zorbo (DE) is looking for about 10 or so of these in brass...
http://berserkerlion.com/proto/isov2.png
[16:59:11] <Zorbo> thanks btw :)
[16:59:49] <IchGuckLive> Zorbo: von wo bist du
[16:59:56] <Jymmm> Zorbo: no problem, and no promises. I have nfc if he'd be interested or available.
[17:00:06] <Zorbo> IchGuckLive, wiesbaden
[17:00:07] <amaldo> jdh: true. I'll go look for the schematic of that parallel port. After knowing how things are really connected, it will become clearer to me.
[17:00:20] <IchGuckLive> Zorbo: im at ramstein
[17:00:28] <Zorbo> nice
[17:00:57] <IchGuckLive> 5.05 for steppers they standart have 6.35
[17:01:09] <Zorbo> not the pg35l
[17:01:11] <jdh> amaldo: that won't be very interesting. P-port control works fine
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[17:02:26] <Jymmm> Zorbo: what are you making ?
[17:03:13] <amaldo> jdh: I come from an EE and robotics background, so I'm wondering what protocol is being talked on that port. For our robots, we have AC servos, and the controllers talk EtherCAT. Using a parallel port feels wrong nowadays.
[17:04:01] <jdh> amaldo: it is simplistic, but it's a simple stepper machine
[17:04:18] <Zorbo> Jymmm, it's for running cable on a stepper.
[17:04:19] <Jymmm> Zorbo: automatic tuner (of sorts)?
[17:04:39] <Zorbo> I tried to find spools already made...but there arn't any really.
[17:05:11] <Zorbo> I could 3d print it..but there is going to be alot of torque...and I won't be able to tighten enough without slipping..unless using metal.
[17:07:22] <amaldo> jdh: Yep, that tells me that the bandwidth requirements are pretty low. (And steppers are controlled in open-loop anyway). I guess the KISS principle aplies, if such a simple setup works, why go with something more complex?
[17:08:41] <jdh> they are nifty looking machines, and I like the idea of the TTS, but it seems like for that much machine, you would go with servos.
[17:09:45] <IchGuckLive> amaldo: you can move the servos via a mesacard
[17:10:09] <IchGuckLive> amaldo: 5i25 7i77 is therfoe made
[17:11:49] <jdh> Ich: stepper only, no servo available
[17:11:50] <IchGuckLive> the russon toolkit sold his 5axis mill this wek for 40k EUR
[17:12:39] <IchGuckLive> so then it coudt be the 5i25+7i76 combie for 5 axis at high speed
[17:12:57] <IchGuckLive> at 12Nm engines you can run a very big mashine
[17:13:19] <IchGuckLive> amaldo: witch contininet are you from
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[17:21:14] <amaldo> IchGuckLive: Hi. Who makes those cards? links?
[17:21:24] <amaldo> IchGuckLive: In Germany. Right now in Munich, but soon moving to Bremen.
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[17:22:08] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop was #python helpful?
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[17:23:12] <IchGuckLive> amaldo: im in germany 2
[17:23:37] <IchGuckLive> amaldo: querry
[17:24:46] <jdh> I get a2z goes out of business in the next month or so.
[17:25:16] <jdh> bet
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[17:38:46] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: actually they did help a little
[17:50:36] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: new gui for the laser-plasma
[17:52:51] <JT-Shop> where?
[17:54:39] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: at jour shop with glade3 and python
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[17:55:23] <JT-Shop> no, I'm just learning glade3 and Gtk with python
[17:56:17] * JT-Shop wanders inside for a nap
[17:57:16] <IchGuckLive> B)
[17:58:21] <IchGuckLive> ok by
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[18:05:14] <jonny1> Hi, I want to learn how emc2 works
[18:06:32] <cradek> hi jonny1, ask more specific questions to get good answers
[18:07:15] <Connor> jdh: Why do you say that? What's going on with a2z ?
[18:07:35] <jdh> Connor: my 6th email in the last few days begging for sales
[18:07:52] <Connor> Summer is slow for lots of businesses..
[18:07:59] <jonny1> i got this errors
[18:08:04] <jonny1> Print file information:
[18:08:04] <jonny1> RUN_IN_PLACE=no
[18:08:04] <jonny1> LINUXCNC_DIR=
[18:08:04] <jonny1> LINUXCNC_BIN_DIR=/usr/bin
[18:08:04] <jonny1> LINUXCNC_TCL_DIR=/usr/lib/tcltk/linuxcnc
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[18:08:24] <jdh> wonder how long that would have been.
[18:08:53] <jdh> Connor: I was tempted to buy one of their QCTP's for my 9x, but didn't
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[18:09:26] <Connor> jdh I got one.. They're nice. I got the one for the Tormach though.. It's steel not alumn.
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[18:09:46] <jdh> I have one for my 7x
[18:10:01] <Connor> Oh, you have a 9x ?
[18:10:09] <jdh> jonny1: stick the error msgs on pastebin or something
[18:10:13] <Connor> I didn't know that.. I knew you had the 7x
[18:10:18] <jdh> Connor: 7x and jet 9x20
[18:10:35] <jonny1> sorry, i don't know that
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[18:15:57] <Jymmm> jonny1:
http://codepad.org/
[18:17:48] <jonny1> errors
http://codepad.org/eFIKPAOT
[18:19:01] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/2z9Ob.jpg
[18:20:26] <cradek> fail on finding a font that looks like a kid's writing. lame.
[18:20:48] <Jymmm> comic sans?
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[18:22:57] <cradek> jonny1: I don't understand what that compiler output is. can you give more background about your question?
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[19:42:43] <Tom_itx> can the docs be downloaded in html format?
[19:43:11] <JT-Shop> you can build them
[19:43:24] <Tom_itx> i like the format better than the pdf
[19:43:33] <JT-Shop> LOL me too
[19:43:36] <Tom_itx> how?
[19:44:14] <JT-Shop> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC
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[19:44:25] <JT-Shop> a git check out and build with docs
[19:44:44] <JT-Shop> 2.2 and 2.7
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[19:45:05] <Tom_itx> ok
[19:47:05] <JT-Shop> note the added dependencies for docs in step 2.7
[19:49:49] <Tom_itx> if you use G96 do you need to specify G94 as well?
[19:50:35] <cradek> do you mean g95? (either way the answer is no)
[19:50:38] <Tom_itx> or are they not really related to each other
[19:50:46] <cradek> css + fpr are often useful together but you don't have to use both
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[20:26:01] <tjb1> Thinkin andy has a problem
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[20:28:46] <Jymmm> "a" problem? (HA!)
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[20:32:09] <tjb1> Hey andypugh
[20:32:17] <tjb1> You have that link for this fancy belt drive?
[20:32:36] <andypugh> google bell-everman servobelt
[20:33:01] <tjb1> Thanks
[20:33:01] <JT-Shop> andypugh: did you know your nick is stuttering?
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[20:38:47] <r00t4rd3d> https://fiber.google.com/about/
[20:39:05] <r00t4rd3d> Google announces 1 GB per second internet and $0/a month internet""
[20:39:28] <ReadError> yes plz
[20:39:35] <ReadError> i hope atlanta gets it
[20:40:10] <tjb1> I hope I get internet to begin with :)
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[20:40:50] <r00t4rd3d> now i bet all the internet companies start changing their retarded minds real quick.
[20:40:58] <tjb1> I dont get it
[20:41:06] <tjb1> Does there have to be pre existing fiber lines?
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[20:41:27] <r00t4rd3d> once they launch that, everything will change.
[20:41:49] <r00t4rd3d> no more of this bandwidth limiting shit they are starting now
[20:42:29] <tjb1> Someone needs to kick Verizon and AT&Ts asses into shape
[20:42:45] <r00t4rd3d> out of business would be better
[20:43:00] <r00t4rd3d> they are both scum companies
[20:43:46] <tjb1> I still love how they both pushed the hell out of unlimited until they forced everyone into a smartphone
[20:44:08] <tjb1> Now its like 80-100 for 6-7gb of data
[20:45:43] <tjb1> Oh well….cant win against them
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[20:50:19] <tjb1> I find it amusing how I have no power yet the phone line that rides on the same poles continues to work :)
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[20:57:34] <tjb1> Wow this thunder is shaking the house
[20:59:05] <mozmck> Around here the phone wires are all underground.
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[21:05:16] <tjb1> Ours are half and half
[21:05:22] <tjb1> probably why they havent replaced them
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[21:06:35] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:21:27] <r00t4rd3d> dont you tire of constantly changing your nick?
[21:21:50] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: who, me?
[21:21:56] <r00t4rd3d> yeah, you!
[21:22:19] <Loetmichel> 24hrs line reconnect fdorced by telekom...
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[21:25:52] <WillenCMD> So before i dive into research, are any ethernet protocols good for realtime data monitoring?
[21:26:15] <alex4nder> there are many
[21:26:34] <WillenCMD> any that can be DIY, or implemented into hal
[21:26:35] <alex4nder> what's data monitoring?
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[21:26:44] <alex4nder> like you just want status updates on the values of things?
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[21:27:19] <WillenCMD> yes, as fast as possible
[21:27:44] <alex4nder> well then that's just binary data put into ethernet frames, put on the wire.
[21:27:59] <alex4nder> add additional networking and parsing layers, and it slows down from there
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[21:33:07] <andypugh> WillenCMD: Have you seen the recent EtherCAT stuff on the forum?
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[21:39:28] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/jtjaz
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[21:42:22] <ink_> hi all
[21:42:24] <andypugh> Confused cm and inches?
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[21:43:08] <ink_> check it out: quadcopter lightshow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cseTX_rW3uM#!&t=4m54s
[21:43:26] <Loetmichel> ink_: old ;-)
[21:43:31] <ink_> hehe
[21:43:38] * ink_ hadn't seen it
[21:44:40] <andypugh> "Indistinguishable from Magic"
[21:47:16] <r00t4rd3d> "Google is offering the TV and Internet service for $120 a month for Kansas City residents, said Kevin Lo, general manager of Google Access. For those who just want the faster Web service, that'll cost about $70 a month."
[21:47:44] <andypugh> How fast? Sounds expensive
[21:48:26] <r00t4rd3d> 1gb a sec
[21:48:46] <andypugh> OK, that's quite fast
[21:49:08] <tjb1> Heh Satellite Internet is $80 a month here
[21:49:29] <r00t4rd3d> i want to move to kansas
[21:49:44] <tjb1> and thats for 1.5 Mbps down/250 Kbps up
[21:49:58] <tjb1> with a 350 MB download limit
[21:50:05] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[21:50:15] <tjb1> 350 MB per 24 hours
[21:50:23] <r00t4rd3d> with google fiber u could use that cap in 1 second
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[21:50:42] <andypugh> tjb1: So, a CD download needs to span midnight?
[21:50:59] <tjb1> The lowest plan is $40 for 3 months then $60 a month after, 1 Mbps/200Kbps with 250mb cap
[21:51:00] <r00t4rd3d> nah he just pays for the overage
[21:51:10] <tjb1> I just use my cell phone, piss on satellite internet
[21:51:27] <r00t4rd3d> build a cantenna
[21:51:27] <tjb1> My phone is as fast as the $80 a month plan
[21:52:11] <WillenCMD> Sorry had to take a phone call
[21:52:22] <tjb1> http://www.wildblue.com/options/availability
[21:52:25] <tjb1> That one looks better
[21:52:38] <tjb1> 5mbps/1mbps with 15GB a month allowance
[21:53:18] <tjb1> Oh I can get 12mbps down/3 up with them
[21:53:50] <r00t4rd3d> move to kansas dude!
[21:54:04] <r00t4rd3d> click your heels together
[21:54:17] <r00t4rd3d> there is no place like 1gb
[21:54:27] <tjb1> I would love to
[21:54:41] <tjb1> Have to find one of them neighborhoods that has met the goal ;)
[21:54:55] <r00t4rd3d> massive multiplayer games
[21:55:05] <r00t4rd3d> 1000's of people in one game
[21:55:23] <tjb1> WoW?
[21:55:28] <r00t4rd3d> fuck wow
[21:55:38] <andypugh> Puzzle Pirates?
[21:55:39] <tjb1> what game has 1000's?
[21:55:42] <tjb1> Graal?
[21:55:54] <r00t4rd3d> i was just meaning it will be possible
[21:56:04] <tjb1> I dont do subscription games :)
[21:56:18] <r00t4rd3d> FPS
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[21:56:41] <tjb1> well time to eat in the dark, bye everyone
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[21:56:55] <r00t4rd3d> Battlefield 4: World War 3
[21:58:42] <WillenCMD> im writing a linuxcnc mmorpg milling adventure game
[21:59:21] <WillenCMD> you have to level your parallel port up, and equip it with component's to battle the jitter creatures
[21:59:34] <r00t4rd3d> sounds gay
[21:59:37] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[21:59:37] <WillenCMD> lol
[21:59:53] <r00t4rd3d> sry, had to do it.
[22:00:05] <WillenCMD> perfect response
[22:00:15] <WillenCMD> so quick to im impressed
[22:01:17] <andypugh> WillenCMD: Sounds like a game I once had "Micro-mouse goes debugging" in which your character had to run around the screen fixing errors in BASIC code..
[22:01:48] <andypugh> (And when you had them all fixed, the code would run). I think it was meant to be educational.
[22:01:59] <r00t4rd3d> i think i will try another round of trying to register on the linuxcnc forum
[22:02:21] <WillenCMD> When you moved the mouse did it move by block's?
[22:02:26] * JT-Shop is not motivated to do anything it seems...
[22:02:47] <WillenCMD> Jt-shop: apparently motivated enough to let us know
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[22:03:21] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: Where are you trying to sign up? Left-hand column of the main LinuxCNC site, or somewhere else?
[22:04:11] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/comprofiler/registers
[22:04:37] <WillenCMD> anyone going to IMTS this year:
[22:04:38] <WillenCMD> ?
[22:05:01] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: Looks right
[22:05:54] <r00t4rd3d> lol, i click register and page reloads and all blank entries
[22:06:09] <JT-Shop> your using a gmail address
[22:06:15] <WillenCMD> we didn't want to tell you, but we just don't want you to join
[22:06:19] <r00t4rd3d> with no mention of the error
[22:06:29] <WillenCMD> you can't take a hint apparently
[22:07:04] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=29&id=15595
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[22:09:05] <r00t4rd3d> Who is the person that decides what info is required to join?
[22:09:19] <r00t4rd3d> like address, zip, involvement ?
[22:09:43] <JT-Shop> address and involvement are optional it seems
[22:09:47] <andypugh> I doubt many people find that post. I wonder if there is any way to put that information on the sign-up form. It isn't like gmail is an uncommon provider. I am fairly sure I am subscribed with a gmail account, for example.
[22:09:49] <djdelorie> I tried to join, refused to fill in those blanks. It refused to accept it. So I filled in dummy information. Never heard back from them.
[22:10:14] <JT-Shop> andypugh: there is but I'm forbidden from getting into that area
[22:10:22] <WillenCMD> i like djelorie's approach
[22:10:29] <WillenCMD> djdelori*
[22:10:36] <WillenCMD> screw it i can't spell
[22:10:44] <JT-Shop> probley put in a bogus email
[22:10:54] <WillenCMD> [email protected]
[22:10:58] <WillenCMD> works everytime
[22:11:05] <andypugh> I am show 551 users needing to be approved, but when I click the link it shows me none of them. It's not the greatest forum software.
[22:11:23] <JT-Shop> that stuff on the left is bogus
[22:11:33] <djdelorie> I don't mind using my real name or email, but there's no reason why a forum needs to know my street address.
[22:11:46] <JT-Shop> and it is not required
[22:12:04] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I don't know any other way in now that the admin button disappeared
[22:12:20] <JT-Shop> you need the admin link
[22:12:44] <andypugh> I guessed that.
[22:13:19] <JT-Shop> you just tack administrator/ on the end... took me a while to find it
[22:13:33] <WillenCMD> im just curious, do you think its better to start and complete a project, or start multiple projects, switching which one you work on at different times?
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[22:13:50] <JT-Shop> start multiple projects and finish none
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[22:14:16] <r00t4rd3d> someone approve me please
[22:14:23] <r00t4rd3d> then i change all my personal info
[22:14:44] <JT-Shop> like city state and zip LOL
[22:17:17] * JT-Shop is somewhat depressed I have to end a 10 year partnership to keep my sanity what it is now
[22:17:30] <andypugh> Oh :-(
[22:17:37] <r00t4rd3d> Richard Wanker
[22:17:41] <JT-Shop> yea, sucks
[22:18:00] <r00t4rd3d> is the partnership your marriage?
[22:18:08] <JT-Shop> business
[22:19:22] <r00t4rd3d> you 2 gonna chat all day or approve my forum accnt?
[22:19:22] <andypugh> You ought to be approved
[22:19:22] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[22:19:22] <JT-Shop> I'm not motivated
[22:19:22] <andypugh> Not sure about James Colon.
[22:19:22] <r00t4rd3d> lol
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[22:19:45] <r00t4rd3d> Your account has not yet been approved!
[22:20:20] <JT-Shop> it's totally black outside, I'm amazed that sputnik is still working
[22:21:29] <andypugh> OK, so I am confused by the interface.
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[22:23:01] <andypugh> And I appear to be logged in 12 times...
[22:23:56] <JT-Shop> I count 13
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[22:25:50] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: Can you log in yet?
[22:28:26] <r00t4rd3d> yeah, thanks
[22:28:36] <r00t4rd3d> Welcome, Wilfred Wonka
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[22:31:04] <djdelorie> mine still says "invalid username or password"
[22:31:28] <andypugh> djdelorie: No sign that you ever tried to register.
[22:31:34] <djdelorie> I'll try again
[22:31:42] <r00t4rd3d> there should be a cnc router building section
[22:31:48] <djdelorie> all those fields are marked "required field" though
[22:32:12] <andypugh> I lied about my ZIP code
[22:32:20] <r00t4rd3d> you are going to hell
[22:32:23] <djdelorie> "zipcode: not an integer"
[22:32:32] <andypugh> I lied about having a ZIP code
[22:32:40] <andypugh> 90210
[22:33:15] <djdelorie> I put 0. Well, the web server replaced my "x" with "0" and I left it that way. Done.
[22:33:22] <andypugh> We used to have a User Map which was quite cool, but it appears to be broken
[22:34:25] <djdelorie> in today's e-society, priviacy and cool are bitter enemies
[22:34:35] <djdelorie> oh, and spelling
[22:34:56] <djdelorie> privacy+spelling+cool = constant ?
[22:35:15] <andypugh> It seems to be a 2-stage process, where a user needs to be unblocked in the User Manager, then approved in a different interface.
[22:36:08] <djdelorie> I'm in! Add another time sink to my daily grind... ;-)
[22:37:18] * djdelorie has #Inf new messages...
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[22:39:40] <djdelorie> thank you $admin :-)
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[22:45:09] <r00t4rd3d> i got an old air compressor given to me that i am going to restore
[22:45:23] <r00t4rd3d> no pressure switch or psi gauge on it atm
[22:45:37] <r00t4rd3d> hose blower
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[22:53:11] <andypugh> pressure switches are very cheap from eBay
[22:56:11] <r00t4rd3d> first place i looked
[22:56:22] <r00t4rd3d> straight from chong kong
[22:57:14] <r00t4rd3d> 11 dollar me last you short time
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[23:25:22] <andypugh> AutoDesk Inventor Fusion is a free download from the MacOS App store. Blimey!
[23:26:14] <jdh> free for windows too
[23:27:05] <andypugh> The real surprise was seeing it on the front page of the App store. (I actually already have it)
[23:29:00] <Tom_itx> 500 employees at the olympic McDonalds of all things
[23:29:22] <Tom_itx> a bit ot but rather crazy
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[23:37:36] <andypugh> Many may be working only a small number of shifts, and it is probably open 24 hours.
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[23:39:52] <Tom_itx> seats 1500
[23:40:19] <andypugh> That's a lot of dead cows.
[23:43:15] <Tom_itx> enough fry grease to power a small city
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[23:54:08] <r00t4rd3d> you all probably eat there once a week
[23:54:39] <Tom_itx> no sir
[23:55:04] <andypugh> I think I have eaten in a McDonalds about 6 times.
[23:55:33] <r00t4rd3d> ha, i go there a couple times a week
[23:56:37] <r00t4rd3d> sometimes a couple times a day
[23:56:56] <r00t4rd3d> closest fastfood place near me
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