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[00:07:30] <taiden> I feel like every person has a maximum capacity for maine lobster
[00:07:34] <taiden> or lobster period
[00:07:40] <taiden> i reached mine two lobsters ago
[00:07:46] <taiden> i prefer to eat mussels
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[00:09:09] <andypugh> The Belgians like their Moulles
[00:10:54] <taiden> http://www.elliottbaybrewing.com/wp-content/uploads/mussels.jpg
[00:10:57] <taiden> nomnomnomnomnom
[00:11:31] <andypugh> In their favour, it is hard for a mussel to look at you reproachfully like a fish, lobster or (especially) octopus can.
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[00:12:02] <taiden> We generally name our lobsters after politicians
[00:12:07] <taiden> before cooking
[00:12:22] <taiden> makes it easier to handle the horror of steaming something alive
[00:12:27] <andypugh> I don't think I could ever eat an octopus, I like them too much.
[00:12:44] <taiden> sarah palin seems to be a common lobster around this house
[00:14:36] <andypugh> I still think SP is fairly cute, but it terrifies me that anyone so dumb can have any power.
[00:16:02] <andypugh> (Of course, I don't know her, and she might have been unfairly maligned on the Internet, the UK Press, the US Press, the TV, the radio...)
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[00:19:27] <andypugh> Aha! Netatalk update has made things nice again
[00:19:42] <andypugh> (2.2 beta from some random site)
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[00:20:59] <Tom_L> now stop messin with it!
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[00:29:52] <andypugh> <puzzled>
http://imagebin.org/222957
[00:32:24] <djdelorie> refresh?
[00:32:38] <andypugh> I have
[00:33:12] <andypugh> And sserial.c has been there for a year or more, and is the file I am working on
[00:33:33] <Tom_L> did your recent fix change your rights?
[00:33:55] <Tom_L> <andypugh> Aha! Netatalk update has made things (not so) nice again
[00:33:57] <Tom_L> :)
[00:34:03] <djdelorie> any options for "hide makefile-generated files" or "only show group-writable files" ?
[00:34:18] <djdelorie> or "sort by some wierd field"?
[00:34:39] <andypugh> Possibly, it is notable that sserial .c has different rights
[00:34:48] <andypugh> (and they are sorted by name)
[00:36:18] <Tom_L> that's one thing that irritates me about linux is all the rights on a single user pc
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[00:38:36] <alex4nder> DOS
[00:38:38] <alex4nder> is an option
[00:38:53] <Tom_L> i still use 6.22
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[00:40:53] <andypugh> I see 6.22 as a hypermodern DOS. Doesnt that one allow spaces in filenames? (grudgingly)
[00:41:07] <Tom_itx> i don't think so
[00:41:12] <Tom_itx> i never really tried
[00:41:21] <andypugh> I think you need to use quites
[00:41:23] <Tom_itx> still the 8.3 file length
[00:41:30] <andypugh> Or quoits
[00:41:54] <Tom_itx> i've only got a couple programs i use it for
[00:42:00] <andypugh> Quoits are more fun than quotes, you see
[00:42:33] <Tom_itx> you see so much txting anymore it's hard to say what's misspelled
[00:44:02] <andypugh> Regardless of spelling, that's a really wierd use of "anymore" there. Is that a common use in the US?
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[00:44:40] <Tom_itx> or misspelled mistyped
[00:44:42] <djdelorie> djgpp under ms-dos lets you use long file names, if you run the LFN extension driver
[00:46:01] <andypugh> No, the dictionary is with you " an·y·more [en-ee-mawr, -mohr] Show IPA
[00:46:01] <andypugh> adverb
[00:46:03] <andypugh> 1.
[00:46:04] <andypugh> any longer.
[00:46:05] <andypugh> 2.
[00:46:06] <andypugh> nowadays; presently."
[00:47:19] <andypugh> I would be perfectly happy with "presently" or "nowadays" in your sentence. It seems that the word means more than I thought it did.
[00:49:07] <andypugh> Though it does seem to be normally limited to negative constructions, ie things that no longer eventuate, rather than which do.
[00:49:24] <andypugh> I can stop if nobody else finds this interesting.
[00:49:36] <Tom_itx> language is interesting
[00:49:47] <Tom_itx> english is crap but it's what we have
[00:50:03] <skunkworks__> it doesn't seem that odd... but it is at the fringe
[00:50:34] <andypugh> Hmm: In some dialects, chiefly South Midland in origin, it is found in positive statements meaning “nowadays”: Baker's bread is all we eat anymore. Anymore we always take the bus. Its use at the beginning of a sentence is almost exclusive to speech or to representations of speech
[00:50:42] <Tom_itx> one pc is too slow (poor latency) the other i can't seem to get linux to load on
[00:50:49] <Tom_itx> get cd read errors
[00:50:54] <Tom_itx> won't boot from USB
[00:51:08] <jdh> buy a d525
[00:51:13] <Tom_itx> i have one
[00:51:27] <Tom_itx> these are just sitting here though
[00:51:28] <andypugh> So, Tom_itx: Are you from Birmingham (not the one in Alabama)?
[00:51:34] <Tom_itx> no
[00:51:37] <Tom_itx> why?
[00:51:46] <Tom_itx> i've been thru there though
[00:51:57] <Tom_itx> not a place you want to stop
[00:52:15] <Tom_itx> i'm in the central US, Kansas
[00:52:22] <andypugh> My quote above from the dictionary. Your use seems to match UK midlands dielect.
[00:53:06] <Tom_itx> stone throw from JT
[00:53:15] <jdh> also southern US
[00:53:21] <Tom_itx> (if you own a cannon that is)
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[00:56:46] <djdelorie> it's kinda amazing how many people hear I have a metal lathe, and then ask me to make them a cannon...
[00:59:01] <skunkworks__> you can make cannons?
[00:59:04] <skunkworks__> ')
[00:59:09] <skunkworks__> ;)
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[01:01:10] <jdh> can you make a .22 camnom?
[01:01:48] <jdh> or cannon
[01:02:19] <djdelorie> I never said I could make a cannon...
[01:03:03] <r00t4rd3d> i could make a 22 cannon with a piece of round steel and my drill press
[01:03:48] <r00t4rd3d> hammer fired
[01:05:16] <r00t4rd3d> i got pine board for my signs :/
[01:05:31] <r00t4rd3d> 15 bucks for a 1x12x8
[01:05:45] <andypugh> Oh, I meant to say, you might find Oak cuts more cleanly
[01:06:19] <r00t4rd3d> they only have oak plywood at lowes
[01:06:36] <r00t4rd3d> the edges can fray easily
[01:06:43] <andypugh> That's not really the same thing
[01:06:46] <r00t4rd3d> ya
[01:07:23] <jdh> they have red oak
[01:07:49] <r00t4rd3d> i have some plain oak and dark mahogany stain
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[01:08:08] <r00t4rd3d> but that is too expensive
[01:09:19] <r00t4rd3d> i hate how wood is not labeled correctly
[01:09:33] <r00t4rd3d> the dimensions
[01:09:44] <andypugh> Those darned illiterate trees!
[01:10:05] <r00t4rd3d> 1x12x8 is really 3/4x11 1/4x8 1/2
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[01:12:55] <r00t4rd3d> im am going to give them a dollar next time and tell them its really a 20
[01:13:08] <r00t4rd3d> dont mind the label ill say
[01:13:46] <Tom_itx> beech should cut pretty good too
[01:14:17] <r00t4rd3d> i need to find a hardwood guy
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[01:14:41] <r00t4rd3d> i got some amish people around
[01:14:42] <Tom_itx> paxton
[01:14:55] <Tom_itx> if they're still around
[01:15:03] <r00t4rd3d> i mean local
[01:15:38] <Tom_itx> http://www.paxtonwood.com/
[01:16:18] <r00t4rd3d> i know one amish guy that sells ruff cut pine boards but dont know if he has oak or some shit
[01:16:40] <Tom_itx> there used to be a local guy that had nearly every kind of veneer you could think of
[01:16:51] <Tom_itx> some very rare
[01:17:20] <r00t4rd3d> yeah there is no guys like that around here that i know of , sure there is
[01:17:43] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure if he's still around
[01:18:04] <Tom_itx> he didn't really have a shingle on the front of the building
[01:18:05] <r00t4rd3d> i know one normal guy who deals with strictly oak for cabinets
[01:18:27] <r00t4rd3d> and he charges up the ass for it
[01:19:02] <r00t4rd3d> but its all flat, straight, good grain, etc
[01:19:49] <r00t4rd3d> hmm now that i think of it he is a Mennonite.
[01:20:17] <r00t4rd3d> his wife wears that bonnet getup
[01:21:47] <r00t4rd3d> i like when religious people come to my door, most times buy the time the first bong is gone, so are they!
[01:27:28] <jdh> they smoke and run?
[01:27:50] <r00t4rd3d> the ones who stay get asked to recite Peter 2:18 or a couple other fucked up verses i know of
[01:27:56] <r00t4rd3d> i smoke, they run.
[01:30:04] <jdh> things like that don't bother the real fundie true believers. They just cherry pick the parts they like and say you don't understand the others.
[01:31:44] <r00t4rd3d> anyone who can read the bible cover to cover and still devote their lives to it has got to be some kind of messed up in the brains
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[01:32:07] <jdh> you just don't understan.
[01:33:14] <jdh> heh... outbid notice 2 mins after the auction ends
[01:33:32] <r00t4rd3d> sniped!
[01:34:27] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1523379957/oculus-rift-step-into-the-game
[01:34:34] <r00t4rd3d> that has to be a kickstart record
[01:34:39] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/170885376869
[01:34:52] <jdh> might have had useful parts (mpg anyway)
[01:35:06] <r00t4rd3d> just launched this morning, 600k already.
[01:35:23] <jdh> how do they get people to really commit?
[01:35:27] <jdh> or do you pay up front?
[01:35:32] <r00t4rd3d> up front
[01:35:40] <r00t4rd3d> if it dont get started, you get a refund
[01:36:09] <r00t4rd3d> they reached their funding around noon time today
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[01:36:19] <r00t4rd3d> about 5 hours after they posted
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[01:36:59] <r00t4rd3d> virtual sex slave is one step closer
[01:37:01] <jdh> I hope my son makes it through undergrad before those get too popular
[01:37:29] <r00t4rd3d> cool thing is, you can buy one right now
[01:37:42] <r00t4rd3d> you dont even have to wait
[01:37:50] <jdh> so what is the funding for?
[01:37:57] <r00t4rd3d> mass produce
[01:38:05] <r00t4rd3d> you can get the dev kit
[01:38:17] <r00t4rd3d> for 275
[01:38:26] <r00t4rd3d> aww they sold out now
[01:38:43] <r00t4rd3d> 300 for the super duper dev kit still available
[01:40:13] <r00t4rd3d> i bet those are going to be the iphone of vr goggles
[01:41:01] <r00t4rd3d> it would be cool to look around your parts or precuts in 3d
[01:41:49] <jdh> I don't get how they go from res: 1280x800 (each eye 640x400)
[01:42:02] <r00t4rd3d> x2
[01:42:19] <r00t4rd3d> 2 eyes , 2 screens
[01:42:38] <jdh> there are at best, that would be 1280x400
[01:42:47] <r00t4rd3d> watch the video
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[01:43:21] <r00t4rd3d> give the credit card to the wife first though
[01:44:01] <jdh> I don't do games
[01:44:13] <r00t4rd3d> porn?
[01:44:40] <jdh> 640x400 porn?
[01:44:56] <jdh> one says 640x400 each, one says 640x800 each
[01:45:05] <r00t4rd3d> the screens are an inch from your eye
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[01:45:33] <r00t4rd3d> put your nose on your monitor screen now, how much you see side to side?
[01:45:39] <jdh> looks like one was a typo.
[01:46:00] <jdh> still not many pixels
[01:46:06] <jdh> but, better than what I read first.
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[01:46:34] <r00t4rd3d> imagine a virtual internet, instead of going webpage to webpage, you cruise down a road, looking into peoples website
[01:47:00] <jdh> can I change my name to Hiro?
[01:47:23] <Tom_itx> i'd rather fly
[01:47:48] <jdh> I see no way to buy one?
[01:47:56] <r00t4rd3d> register
[01:48:14] <r00t4rd3d> then click the big green BACK THIS PROJECT at the top
[01:48:30] <r00t4rd3d> choose the 300 dev kit
[01:48:31] <jdh> and you get it now?
[01:48:34] <r00t4rd3d> yup
[01:48:40] <r00t4rd3d> doom 3 too
[01:48:45] <r00t4rd3d> ready for online play
[01:49:14] <jdh> nah
[01:49:21] <r00t4rd3d> do it and give it to me
[01:49:22] <jdh> estimated delivery Dec. 2012
[01:49:41] <r00t4rd3d> i imagine it will be sooner
[01:50:08] <r00t4rd3d> theyve doubled their funding goal
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[01:52:40] <r00t4rd3d> if you got that for a boy child, you would be god.
[01:53:36] <r00t4rd3d> i imagine the dev kit might require some pcb soldering
[01:55:23] <r00t4rd3d> jdh did you show your buddy that logo?
[01:57:36] <jdh> no, it needs another N at the end
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[02:03:25] <r00t4rd3d> oh yeah
[02:03:57] <r00t4rd3d> upload it to imgur for me
[02:04:19] <jdh> upload what?
[02:04:19] <r00t4rd3d> i deleted it
[02:04:21] <r00t4rd3d> that pic
[02:04:23] <jdh> heh
[02:04:25] <r00t4rd3d> you still have it?
[02:04:29] <jdh> nope
[02:04:34] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[02:04:40] <jdh> was that a stock font?
[02:04:56] <r00t4rd3d> free one i found
[02:04:59] <jdh> is there something that will let you create a font out of a pic?
[02:05:20] <r00t4rd3d> dont know, i do know there is font making apps
[02:05:28] <r00t4rd3d> not sure how they work
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[02:18:23] <geo01005> any body have any ideas/ tools to correct for the diameter of the touch probe tip when doing 3d surface probing?
[02:19:48] <jdh> closest you could get would be to subtract the radius from whatever direction you were probing?
[02:20:23] <jdh> but, if you Z probe and it makes, you don't know if it hit bottom or a sloped side.
[02:20:54] <Tom_itx> could you enter it as a tool with a diameter offset?
[02:21:30] <geo01005> yes, that is what I'm talking about, the slope of the surface could be estimated with the points probed next to the point in question.
[02:21:45] <jdh> only if you knew it was a slope.
[02:22:38] <jdh> I think that would be a function of point cloud smoothing or something?
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[02:24:52] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/370499459381
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[02:25:42] <geo01005> Well you need to have the real contact point before you fit a surface to the point cloud.
[02:26:10] <geo01005> When you fit a surface to a point cloud it is already assumed that you want the points to lie on the surface.
[02:28:07] <Tom_itx> have you tried entering it as a tool with diameter offset? then when you probe, Tx M6 to select it
[02:28:29] <geo01005> Well the probe is spherical, not just a cylinder.
[02:28:53] <Tom_itx> i don't know how linuxcnc handles ballnose em surface contouring
[02:29:00] <Tom_itx> but it would be similar
[02:30:09] <jdh> huh?
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[02:37:17] <Tom_itx> the tool table could have a nose radius for path compensation but it doesn't
[02:37:27] <Tom_itx> that would help here i believe
[02:39:37] <jdh> I don't think you could apply tool compensation to probing
[02:41:36] <Tom_itx> there should be a way to describe the tool diameter and tip
[02:41:45] <Tom_itx> whether it's probing or cutting
[02:42:34] <Tom_itx> it's not an issue for me when cutting since my cad cam compensates for the tool shape
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[02:46:56] <skunkworks__> can
[02:46:59] <skunkworks__> can
[02:47:32] <skunkworks__> can't you just connect the dots and offset it by the probe radius?
[02:48:01] <Tom_itx> it's not as easy on a contoured surface as the probe touches different angles as it probes
[02:48:42] <Tom_itx> and you need to apply the geometry to both axis in the path properly
[02:49:01] <skunkworks__> I would think it would be as accurate as the probe density..
[02:50:00] <jdh> probably close, but on a steep slope, it might be off more?
[02:50:34] <Tom_itx> it's not as big a deal if you know the surface you are touching off. for example when you use it for edge finding on a vise you know it's going to be x or y
[02:53:23] <skunkworks__> right (best thing ever) :)
[02:54:18] <Tom_itx> just use a laser beam instead
[02:56:38] <Tom_itx> http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/portal/pls/portallive/docs/1/44246.PDF
[02:58:49] <Tom_itx> http://www.ee.ust.hk/~atc/pubs/Probe_Radius_Compensation.pdf
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[03:02:42] <Tom_itx> on a probe you also need to know how much deflection there is before the switch toggles
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[03:03:04] <Tom_itx> preferrably none :)
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[03:31:55] <taiden> so a friend is giving me a p4 box
[03:32:11] <taiden> is hyperthreading going to be an issue?
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[04:00:03] <r00t4rd3d> no
[04:00:46] <r00t4rd3d> normally you can disable that in the bios anyway
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[05:06:04] <taiden> i'm excited then
[05:06:11] <taiden> should solve a lot of problems
[05:06:27] <taiden> i got insane video artifacts today in the middle of a cut
[05:06:46] <taiden> lost enough steps to put my bit right into a steel fastener I use on my jig
[05:07:04] <taiden> was like 2 inches off where it should have been
[05:07:27] <r00t4rd3d> intel atom d525
[05:07:31] <taiden> today has been a total nightmare
[05:08:09] <taiden> yeah i need to be cutting yesterday though, i had an amazon wishlist all ready but the amazon prime dealer with the d525mw sold out
[05:08:35] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-D525MW-Mini-ITX-Motherboard-w-Atom-525-CPU-/200542103383?pt=Motherboards&hash=item2eb13da757
[05:08:36] <taiden> i had considered getting a d525 barebones PC but didn't know if they would work out
[05:09:27] <r00t4rd3d> are you using nvidia proprietary drivers?
[05:09:28] <taiden> thanks for the ebay ad
[05:09:31] <taiden> nope
[05:09:32] <taiden> vesa
[05:09:33] <taiden> but
[05:09:34] <taiden> it's hardware
[05:09:44] <taiden> if i tap the case i get insane video artifacts
[05:09:54] <taiden> i cleaned everything out today and it was fine for a few hours
[05:10:26] <r00t4rd3d> sounds like something is lose
[05:10:30] <taiden> yes
[05:10:40] <taiden> i think the pins in the agp slot are wonky
[05:10:53] <taiden> it's really strange
[05:10:55] <r00t4rd3d> bend them out with a pin
[05:11:19] <taiden> if the p4 doesn't work out i'll give it a go
[05:11:22] <taiden> that computer is really odd
[05:11:34] <taiden> randomly crashes, caps look fine, powersupply is brand new
[05:11:37] <r00t4rd3d> d525 just work
[05:11:45] <r00t4rd3d> all you need is memory for them
[05:12:05] <taiden> i was reading about someone on the linuxcnc forums who was getting like 20k latency with his
[05:12:08] <taiden> which kind of weirded me out
[05:12:15] <taiden> maybe it was 12k
[05:12:34] <taiden> but it's def top of the list
[05:12:48] <taiden> had it been available on amazon prime i would have ordered a new box todya
[05:13:43] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RAMAXEL-4GB-DDR3-2x2GB-PC3-10600S-1333MHz-Laptop-Memory-Mac-Thinkpad-HP-Dell-RAM-/360471258746?pt=US_Memory_RAM_&hash=item53edc2e67a
[05:14:04] <r00t4rd3d> fill it with mem for 14 bucks
[05:15:01] <taiden> yeah
[05:15:08] <taiden> then ssd and case :)
[05:15:35] <r00t4rd3d> cut a case and use a usb thumb drive
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[05:16:40] <r00t4rd3d> i just use a regular sata drive in mine
[05:18:55] <taiden> you can reliably run ubuntu off a usb thumb drive?
[05:19:45] <taiden> doesn't that cause issues with limited block rewrites ?
[05:19:48] <r00t4rd3d> never tried
[05:19:50] <r00t4rd3d> http://askrprojects.net/other/minicase.html
[05:20:00] <r00t4rd3d> that is a cool little case, dxf file too
[05:20:22] <taiden> that is relaly cool
[05:20:28] <taiden> what is that breakout board looking thing on the left?
[05:20:32] <taiden> pcie slot?
[05:21:06] <r00t4rd3d> power
[05:23:33] <taiden> this is a really cool site
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[05:28:47] <r00t4rd3d> http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?q=mini+itx&styp=m&scoring=t&btnG=Search
[05:28:55] <r00t4rd3d> a few more mini itx case models
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[05:30:33] <r00t4rd3d> http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=334b72bb2ad9a57a5599acd1021b314d&prevstart=0
[05:30:37] <r00t4rd3d> thats nice
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[05:34:00] <taiden> admn
[05:34:02] <taiden> damn
[05:34:03] <taiden> that is nice
[05:34:22] <taiden> if i could forego the ssd for a usb drive
[05:34:32] <taiden> and the case i could be all in for about $120
[05:35:03] <taiden> whats the dela with the power supply for the d525?
[05:35:21] <taiden> i have an atx 450 watt that i just bought but i imagine it would be overkill and too big
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[05:43:33] <r00t4rd3d> it would work
[05:43:49] <r00t4rd3d> that power supply in that one case is an external power supply
[05:44:55] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINI-12V-120W-DC-to-DC-ITX-ATX-Car-Power-Supply-Convertor-Fit-Auomobile-Vehicle-/300724288461?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item4604907bcd
[05:45:05] <r00t4rd3d> that is what you are seeing, you just use a wall wart with them
[05:45:39] <r00t4rd3d> just allows you to use a smaller case, less heat, etc.
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[13:29:16] <skunkworks> JT-Shop, Your glade tutorial is neat.. I really need some time to play with it.
[13:36:26] <JT-Shop> skunkworks: thanks, I had fun trying to figure out what the heck did what so I thought I would share
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[13:37:40] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Maybe you'll know; Are these basically both the same? I'm looking to cleanly cut 30ga (0.10) sheet stock... benchtop:
http://www.print1.co.uk/DM9000%20&%20DM9001.%20copy.jpg - VS- benchmount:
http://productimages.grainger.com/is/image/Grainger/4YG37_AS01?rect=0,512,528,811&scl=1&id=24ptX1 both being 12"
[13:37:44] <archivist> fixing/making docs is a good self teaching system :)
[13:38:00] <Jymmm> 0.010"
[13:39:02] <skunkworks> the dayton one looks a lot better IMHO
[13:39:12] <Jymmm> There's a huge price difference between the two...
[13:39:19] <skunkworks> I bet
[13:39:24] <Jymmm> http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INPDFF?PMPAGE=577&PARTPG=INLMK3&PMITEM=130-5700
[13:39:42] <Jymmm> top and bottom of that page... $100 vs $500
[13:39:49] <skunkworks> the first ones looks like a glroified paper cutter
[13:40:03] <Jymmm> yeah
[13:40:25] <Jymmm> But it specifically states for cutting what I want.
[13:40:27] <archivist> I use paper scissors on tinplate
[13:40:49] <Jymmm> archivist: I'm getting a wave effect on the cut edge
[13:40:49] <skunkworks> for .010 - it will probably work ok..
[13:40:54] <archivist> large metal shears are useless for thin plate
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[13:41:29] <Jymmm> archivist: explain 'useless'?
[13:41:55] <archivist> folds between the blades instead of cutting
[13:43:20] <Jymmm> archivist: I understand what you're saying, but that last link I gave at the bottom of it's page specifcally states 0.020" material
[13:43:45] <skunkworks> we have a old shear that cuts thin stuff just fine. (well - on the sharp end ;) )
[13:44:04] <Jymmm> skunkworks: like the benchmount I showed?
[13:44:17] <skunkworks> no - old floor model
[13:44:33] <Jymmm> skunkworks: but not like the paper cutter looking one
[13:44:33] <archivist> you have to keep them adjusted for thin work
[13:44:45] <JT-Shop> and sharp
[13:45:40] <Jymmm> archivist: adjusted like once (a year) or so, or more frequently? I dont intend on cutting thicker stuff
[13:46:42] <Jymmm> I tried cutting using scissors, but I get a scalloped effect on the cut edge.
[13:47:17] <archivist> sharpness and angle etc matters
[13:47:41] <archivist> and I roll the edge after
[13:48:39] <Jymmm> archivist: have a pic by chance?
[13:49:45] <archivist> of what
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2010/2010_07_27_tinware/IMG_0797.JPG
[13:50:29] <archivist> and the other pic the directory, .009" iirc
[13:51:54] <Jymmm> It was the rolled edge I was wanting to see.
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[13:52:18] <Jymmm> Unless I'm thinking something else 'rolled'
[13:52:32] <archivist> I use a ball race and a sheet of steel as an anvil to flatten
[13:53:18] <archivist> the tin bath has a cheating rolled edge (wire soldered on)
[13:54:06] <Jymmm> Ok, so basically you are "folding over" the material to have a clean finished edge?
[13:54:26] <archivist> no I flatten....
[13:55:06] <archivist> the curve from cutting is what I flatten
[13:55:16] <Jymmm> ah
[13:55:49] <archivist> you can also hold very close to the shear to get less bend
[13:58:33] <Jymmm> archivist: by bend, you mean curve in the overall length of the material that's being cut?
[13:59:36] <archivist> and the curve at right angles to that (edge curve)
[14:00:09] <Jymmm> oh, ok. I'm looking at a piece I cut and see what you're talking about now.
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[14:01:01] <Jymmm> Since many of you do PCB's...
http://www.prc68.com/I/12InShear.shtml
[14:02:06] <Jymmm> I wanted Andy to see this... kinda cool...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccUR17SFxCo&feature=player_embedded
[14:04:06] <Jymmm> Die sizes: 1/8" to 1-1/4" (1/8" increments).
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[14:11:43] <Jymmm> Got Fingers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAW0xT18wSU
[14:13:53] <Jymmm> Looks like they've put it thru a lot of use too!
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[14:24:54] <Jymmm> HAHAHAHAHAHA Does this sound familiar to anyone by chance?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQiLKdv67FE&feature=player_detailpage#t=343s
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[15:38:07] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Have you ever seen something like this before? It's a hybrid arbor press + automatic center punch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5g1XV2Sx6s&feature=player_embedded
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[15:49:10] <JT-Shop> no
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[15:53:28] <JT-Shop> might get some rail
[15:55:32] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[15:56:05] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: you might get some linear rail? whatcha makin?
[15:56:35] <JT-Shop> rain
[15:57:01] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: so 85F + rain? Nice
[15:57:16] <JT-Shop> I think I might make a half of a sandwich though
[15:57:21] <JT-Shop> yea
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[16:58:04] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
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[17:25:26] <zoni1983> anyone there
[17:29:17] <IchGuckLive> ye3s
[17:29:17] <jdh> he is --->
[17:30:17] <zoni1983> ayone techinal
[17:31:08] <syyl> technical is a wide range
[17:31:48] <zoni1983> i want to retrofit a hurco with analogue drive and 2500 ppr encoder
[17:32:25] <zoni1983> can any one suggest what should i use vital or mesa
[17:36:04] <archivist> most in here would probably say mesa, dunno who vital is
[17:36:33] <zoni1983> vitalsystem montenc-lite
[17:37:04] <skunkworks> I vote mesa
[17:37:28] <skunkworks> I have used their hardware and am very happy with it.
[17:37:45] <zoni1983> what rapid can i get with 2500 ppr
[17:38:01] <archivist> enough
[17:38:30] <archivist> servo and mass effect your rapids
[17:38:45] <IchGuckLive> mesa 5i25 7i77
[17:39:36] <skunkworks> that is not the right question. The mesa hardware can count your encoders into the mhz...
[17:39:51] <zoni1983> yaskawa drives and motors
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[17:40:16] <zoni1983> how much mhz
[17:40:35] <skunkworks> how are you planning to interface with the drives?
[17:40:53] <skunkworks> ah - analog. sorry
[17:41:12] <zoni1983> u should suggest
[17:41:24] * skunkworks likes analog...
[17:42:30] <zoni1983> which daughter card 7i77
[17:43:25] <skunkworks> THe 7i48 says it counts to 4mhz - 8 if it is multiplex freq selected.. (don't know what that means) This is the interface card I am using
[17:43:45] <skunkworks> how much i/o do you need?
[17:43:50] <skunkworks> how many axis?
[17:44:32] <zoni1983> 4 axis and 24 tool changer
[17:44:37] <skunkworks> (I am using the 5i20 board)
[17:46:22] <skunkworks> (actually 2 5i20 boards)
[17:46:40] <skunkworks> people seem to like the 5i25 - but I have no experience with it)
[17:47:00] <zoni1983> which card for for analogue
[17:47:19] <syyl> yaskawa servopack?
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[17:52:15] <IchGuckLive> i sell 2 yaskawas todad on ebay
[17:52:55] <IchGuckLive> sold B)
[17:53:21] <jdh> I bought 1 yesterday
[17:53:25] <jdh> ordered anyway
[17:54:00] <IchGuckLive> the Xtradrives go out of stock so the change will fload the market
[17:54:52] <archivist> zoni1983, a makers name (yaskawa) without a model name/number means little
[17:55:50] <IchGuckLive> they will get all omron products of there name
[17:55:52] <zoni1983> it is an old machine hurco bmc10l
[17:56:07] <zoni1983> 1985
[17:56:15] <IchGuckLive> zoni1983: where are you from Country
[17:58:16] <zoni1983> which daughter card of mesa with 5i20 or 5i25
[17:58:33] <archivist> depends on needs
[17:58:48] <zoni1983> which need
[17:59:01] <archivist> yours
[17:59:34] <archivist> we do not know exactly what you are going to do, you need to do some research
[17:59:37] <zoni1983> i need for +-10 volt for drive
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[18:00:24] <IchGuckLive> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Yaskawa-Servopack-656-MR-5-/271026366142?pt=Motoren_Getriebe&hash=item3f1a6e26be Yaskawa servo power DC 270-325V 50A
[18:00:29] <IchGuckLive> 1 Euro
[18:01:07] <jdh> we aren't discussing that, we are discussing wang and chang
[18:01:12] <jdh> <urk>
[18:02:37] <JT-Shop> zoni1983: is this +-10vdc for a velocity input to a servo drive?
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[18:04:06] <IchGuckLive> nice he left
[18:04:18] <IchGuckLive> in the middle of the discuss
[18:04:49] <micges> maybe he's disconnected
[18:05:00] <JT-Shop> happens to me a lot
[18:05:22] <micges> 7i33 counts 1MHz encoder in TTL mode and 10MHz in differential mode
[18:05:34] <IchGuckLive> someone in the usa effected by Wildfire or Drought
[18:05:38] <micges> ^^ maybe he'll back :)
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[18:09:45] <IchGuckLive> im off By
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[18:15:36] <taiden> It's amazing
[18:15:44] <taiden> I can't find a single 3 inch floppy disk in my whole house
[18:15:45] <archivist> his ip puts him in PK so a language problem too
[18:16:14] <taiden> and all i want to do is update my bios ;P
[18:16:30] <cradek> when you find one it'll be bad
[18:16:34] <archivist> I found loads of floppies today...wasnt looking for them though was looking for a handle
[18:16:37] <cradek> you need a box of 10 at the minimum
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[18:17:17] <cradek> I did this recently too - I went to goodwill and bought two new boxes
[18:17:39] <taiden> you can buy boxes of floppys at good will?
[18:17:53] <cradek> if you live somewhere as awesome as I do, yes
[18:18:05] <cradek> we have a special goodwill that they send all the city's electronic junk to
[18:18:15] <taiden> where is that pray tell?
[18:18:30] <cradek> Lincoln NE
[18:18:33] <cradek> US
[18:18:53] <taiden> I live in a place where everyone is so frugal
[18:18:58] <taiden> that these places dont exist haha
[18:19:22] <taiden> anyone want to take bets on if i can update the bios from a CD?
[18:19:25] <cradek> http://journalstar.com/business/local/article_aed60d5c-d9a5-545d-9eaf-d25b5b0dec29.html
[18:20:15] <taiden> that's amazin
[18:20:16] <taiden> g
[18:21:27] <taiden> a friend dropped off an old P4 desktop today
[18:21:34] <taiden> this thing doesn't have the option to boot from USB
[18:21:41] <taiden> or turn off hyperthreading in bios haha
[18:22:04] <cradek> taiden: I've used a cd with a floppy image on it, but I don't immediately see the right mkisofs option
[18:22:43] <taiden> cross your fingers
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[18:48:21] <skunkworks> taiden, if you had an old win98 cd - you could boot to dos to run the bios updater.
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[18:52:20] <cradek> freedos has a bootable cd, too
[18:54:44] <taiden> does it?
[18:54:57] <taiden> i'll try that
[18:55:04] <taiden> might be nice to have regardless
[18:55:23] <cradek> a lot of bios updaters will ONLY work from a floppy
[18:55:32] <cradek> you'd probably be time ahead to just go get a floppy
[18:55:39] <taiden> i just went to go find one
[18:55:51] <taiden> had no luck
[18:55:54] <taiden> also the CD didn't work
[18:58:40] <taiden> and best buy and staples dont have any in store, believe it or not
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[19:14:21] <L84Supper> have you looked at flashrom for reflashing the BIOS?
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[19:14:57] <L84Supper> taiden:
http://flashrom.org/Flashrom
[19:16:11] <taiden> whoa
[19:16:16] <taiden> i haven't
[19:16:26] <taiden> anythig worth mentioning about it before i dive in?
[19:16:52] <L84Supper> also check if there is coreboot support, but it will require some effort even if it is supported
[19:17:37] <L84Supper> it's always best to have a backup flash device for BIOS
[19:18:30] <taiden> i suppose i could run it from a livecd?
[19:18:39] <L84Supper> taiden, read up on it all first, these no close enough in flashing a BIOS
[19:18:55] <taiden> yeah
[19:19:08] <taiden> I suppose the first thing to do is check the compatibility list for whatever my motherboard is
[19:19:09] <L84Supper> yeah, we created a flashrom live cd, it was based on debian
[19:19:50] <L84Supper> I haven't been keeping up but you can run it and see what it detects for chipset ad flash device
[19:20:16] <L84Supper> #flashrom is also available
[19:20:43] <L84Supper> http://flashrom.org/Board_Testing_HOWTO
[19:22:14] <L84Supper> http://flashrom.org/Live_CD
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[19:40:25] <skunkworks> andypugh, did you try your spindle encoder?
[19:41:16] <andypugh> Yes. It works nicely.
[19:41:25] <skunkworks> Neat!
[19:41:37] <andypugh> Did you see the pictures?
[19:41:38] <skunkworks> how many count per rev did it end up?
[19:41:45] <skunkworks> I saw the cover and the gear
[19:41:55] <andypugh> 84 cpr
[19:42:48] <andypugh> I wish I had put the connector left and down a bit:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/xLQQyKpGjW-i3pr9W9F89NMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
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[19:43:41] <skunkworks> nice
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[19:44:09] <skunkworks> so I was close at 20 teeth :)
[19:44:36] <andypugh> 5% out
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[19:49:31] <skunkworks> andypugh, how far along is that machine? are axis hooked up?
[19:51:06] <L84Supper> has anyone ever come across suppliers of miniature consumer grade plastic positioners/actuators
[19:52:05] <L84Supper> positioners the size of what you might find inside a DVD drives
[19:52:14] <andypugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_pneumatics
[19:53:36] <L84Supper> I have a Mindstorms set around here I bought for my son a few years ago
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[19:54:15] <L84Supper> easy enough to make, but if you only need a 100 or so I'd rather just buy something if available
[19:54:20] <archivist> andypugh, Im going to fit an inbetween plate so no drilling
[19:54:31] <Jymmm> andypugh: Found something... $265 USD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccUR17SFxCo&feature=player_embedded
[19:55:32] <archivist> those lego pneumatics hold pressure well
[19:56:44] <Jymmm> are they still available?
[19:57:10] <L84Supper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischertechnik nylon t(-ish) slot
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[20:02:54] <L84Supper> http://powerfunctions.lego.com/en-us/Products/8049.aspx looks like they include the pneumatics in this set
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[20:07:07] * Loetmichel has just done something against the blue swarf in the shirts collar... (2mm lexan works a miracle here) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13480
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[20:10:10] <skunkworks> andypugh, was your inside out brushless motor for this project?
[20:10:22] <andypugh> skunkworks: Ever heard of "completion anxiety"
[20:10:39] <skunkworks> yes - I have it (atleast my wife thinks so)
[20:10:40] <L84Supper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Mindstorms#Programming_languages_2 the list of software has grown
[20:10:56] <andypugh> That motor joins the mill on the list of things I don't want to finish.
[20:10:58] <Tom_itx> skunkworks what mill is that?
[20:11:18] <Tom_itx> the table is just too shiny
[20:11:22] <andypugh> I think that is why I like software, it is never finished.
[20:11:26] <skunkworks> Tom_itx, what mill?
[20:11:34] <archivist> I want all jobs done, just cannot decide which to do
[20:11:38] <Tom_itx> err wrong nick...
[20:11:43] <Tom_itx> Loetmichel
[20:11:47] <Tom_itx> i'm tired
[20:11:48] <skunkworks> heh
[20:12:18] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: selfbuild
[20:12:26] <Loetmichel> but really tiny
[20:12:39] <Loetmichel> 200mm*110mm*110mm movement
[20:13:11] <Tom_itx> steel table?
[20:13:23] <Loetmichel> aluminium
[20:13:32] <Loetmichel> here is a better view:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12569
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[20:14:51] <Tom_itx> oh, that is smaller than my sherline
[20:14:56] <Tom_itx> as far as travel goes anyway
[20:15:06] <Tom_itx> you got a decent spindle on it at least
[20:20:07] <L84Supper> http://www.willowgarage.com/pages/software/ros-platform anyone ever work with ROS? any comments on it?
[20:21:01] <L84Supper> http://www.ros.org/wiki/
[20:24:58] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: china ;-)
[20:25:19] <L84Supper> http://www.willowgarage.com/pages/pr2/order $400,000.00 + Taxes and Shipping
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[20:26:50] <L84Supper> for $400K it should include attachments for edm, mill and lathe
[20:27:15] * Loetmichel puts burn ointment on his... (whats that called whre the arteria carotis is? Neck?)
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[20:29:44] <andypugh> Yes, neck
[20:29:58] <andypugh> Hot swarf down collar? I hate that
[20:33:13] <jthornton> our latest user to register on the forum makes mandolins
[20:33:33] <Loetmichel> hmm, in germany "nacken" is only the BACK of the neck... front and sides is called "hals" ... so i thought there must be another word in english also ;-)
[20:33:42] <andypugh> If they had been Ukeleles then you would ahve refused him?
[20:34:28] <jthornton> www.dearstone.com
[20:34:34] <Loetmichel> and the swarf: i am drilling the PC Slot plats with a 6mm TC drill.. 10krpm, F280 (lower rpm not possible, nor torque left there)
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[20:40:42] <syyl> ah
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[20:40:47] <syyl> short tour of our shop at work ;)
[20:40:48] <syyl> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yq9acA7QKE
[20:43:28] <andypugh> I thought at first that you had a bandsaw with an enormous throat depth, but then I wasn't so sure.
[20:44:32] <andypugh> Nobody needs three Deckels, let me free some space up for you.
[20:44:57] <skunkworks> seems too clean
[20:44:58] <Loetmichel> tell that to his boss ;-)
[20:45:21] <syyl> we have a agreement in the shop skunkworks
[20:45:29] <syyl> if you finish your work on a machine
[20:45:32] <syyl> clean it!
[20:45:32] <cradek> weirdly quiet
[20:45:53] <djdelorie> we have that agreement in my shop too
[20:45:56] <skunkworks> syyl, what do you guys do?
[20:46:00] <djdelorie> but I'm the only one in there, and I don't listen to me anyway...
[20:46:07] <syyl> most prototyping
[20:46:27] <syyl> some fixture and test equipment building
[20:46:40] <skunkworks> neat
[20:47:32] <L84Supper> did i hear a pin drop @ 2:18 ?
[20:47:59] <syyl> i hit the lamp of the milling machine ;)
[20:48:09] <Loetmichel> it is really quiet. let me guess: it was one past five pm? ?
[20:48:34] <syyl> shop time is 07:00 to 15:00
[20:48:45] <Loetmichel> so it was 15:01?
[20:48:45] <syyl> at 17:00 theres no one
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[20:48:56] <syyl> 15:45
[20:49:04] <syyl> finished a job
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[20:50:09] <JT-Shop> rats I can't find my 8.04 install usb thingy
[20:52:05] <Loetmichel> let me put it this way: knowing the fame of your employer as being coser to a government agency than a company, i had heard of a fire evacuation test which faliled. and the fireman sees the employees leaving after work: "we should had ringed "end of work", not "fire alarm"... the building is completely emty at two minutes after the horn ?!?"
[20:52:34] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: should i lend you mine?
[20:52:42] <syyl> the company is known to pay good :P
[20:52:47] <syyl> THAT counts for me
[20:52:56] <L84Supper> @ 6:57 is that a digital lock on the fridge?
[20:53:06] <syyl> and its a good job
[20:53:34] <syyl> thats the oven beside the fridge
[20:53:38] <syyl> for curing glue/resin
[20:53:40] <djdelorie> heh. New policy: two minutes after the test fire alarm is pulled, lock the doors and fumigate.
[20:53:45] <Loetmichel> have it right here in my pocket... with the usb stick with 10.04 EMC, the usbstick with acronis, the usbstick with ubuntu 12.04, the usbstick for private data and the usbstick for company data ;-)
[20:56:39] <L84Supper> erfi ergotig, in the US it's mostly Lincoln or Miller
[20:57:04] <Loetmichel> syyl: i just had some fun with equipment of your emplyer... the pbx had gone dead, emanating some fishy fumes... Octopus F400...
[20:57:32] <Loetmichel> like the techie said: "wollense was g'scheits oder darfs wieder von siemens sein?"
[20:57:37] <syyl> thats not anymore our company
[20:57:38] <L84Supper> what are the popular brands of MIG/TIG welders in the UK?
[20:57:40] <syyl> iirc
[20:58:48] <Loetmichel> ... was only 10 years old
[20:59:20] <JT-Shop> Loetmichel: if you can toss it this far I can catch it
[20:59:26] <andypugh> L84Supper: ESAB?
[20:59:51] <andypugh> Oxford
[21:00:00] <Loetmichel> have it up and running again, only some 10 Caps, 470µF 16V and 2cm^2 of rebuild pcb and traces later ;-)
[21:00:18] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: over the big pond iirc? not likely ;-)
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[21:00:56] <andypugh> L84Supper: Also Lincoln/Sealey
[21:01:03] <syyl> hobart?
[21:01:11] <syyl> or is that more US?
[21:01:15] <JT-Shop> that and half way across
[21:01:24] <L84Supper> Hobart is a distant 3rd in the US
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[21:05:41] <andypugh> I forgot SIP
[21:06:22] <L84Supper> I see ESAB around here as well. mostly TIG
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[21:09:29] <L84Supper> I wonder what airport security would do if you tried to carry a portable xray machine onboard?
[21:09:37] <L84Supper> http://www.rstar.com/pid10249398/Mobile+industrial+NDT+x-ray+equipment.htm
[21:09:52] <L84Supper> those are expensive here
[21:10:21] <syyl> with the radiation warning logo on it?
[21:10:26] <syyl> shoot, then ask
[21:14:25] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:22:25] <JT-Shop> I must be in the twilight zone... I just made that bootable usb stick the other day when I tried to install 10.04 on the MCBOX
[21:22:59] <amaldo> syyl: Thanks for the video. Looks like a nice place to work.
[21:24:57] <JT-Shop> ah ha found that little bugger under the keyboard :)
[21:26:07] <JT-Shop> can you create an 8.04 bootable usb in 10.04
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[21:32:58] <JT-Shop> looks like it is working
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[21:56:46] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop yes i did it the other evening
[21:56:57] <Tom_itx> just need the right iso
[21:57:40] <Tom_itx> i may try 8.04 on this other pc just to see if i can get something to load on it
[22:00:42] <JT-Shop> it's installing on the MCBOX now
[22:01:31] <Tom_itx> well this itx is too old to run it but i have one more pc i'd like to use
[22:01:51] <Tom_itx> but every time i try to install 10.04 i get nothing but cd errors
[22:02:02] <Tom_itx> and it won't boot USB
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[22:12:22] <taiden> now i get to go through the fun of figuring out which setup gives best results on my new box :)
[22:12:47] <taiden> 10.04 with vesa drivers seems to stay under 40k… now trying with nuveau
[22:12:57] <JT-Shop> andypugh: did you get your mcbox up and going?
[22:13:37] <andypugh> Sort-of. I can't see the latency test result :-/
[22:13:56] <andypugh> It ends up off the bottom of the screen
[22:14:17] <JT-Shop> I installed 8.04 but it cannot mount the usb stick so I can copy the files to the CF card
[22:14:47] <JT-Shop> and of course no network connection yet so I can't copy them that way
[22:15:10] <JT-Shop> I have a CF reader but it is in my Winblows machine
[22:18:08] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop there is a trick to mounting the usb thing
[22:18:22] <JT-Shop> searching for the trick now
[22:18:34] <Tom_itx> just a sec
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[22:18:58] <Tom_L> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB
[22:19:06] <Tom_itx> manual about midway down
[22:19:22] <JT-Shop> thanks
[22:19:36] <Tom_itx> i had to do the same thing yesterday
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[22:31:04] <taiden> any of you guys run linuxcnc of an SD card as your main storage?
[22:31:27] <taiden> i'm considering it for the d525mw box im going to start ordering parts for
[22:31:51] <taiden> i already have an internal card reader (USB) and some class 10 sd cards
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[22:33:08] <andypugh> Not an SD card, but a SATA DOM, so similar.
[22:33:55] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: thanks that worked
[22:35:21] <Tom_itx> np
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[22:39:03] <taiden> what made you pick the DOM?
[22:40:00] <andypugh> Easy to mount, just plug it in. And it was cheap.
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[22:40:44] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150593568661?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item2310137f95#ht_2589wt_1413
[22:40:49] <andypugh> Is the exact one.
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[22:43:21] <JT-Shop> ./stage1 gives me Permission denied
[22:43:51] <JT-Shop> I'm logged in as root...
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[22:46:43] <djdelorie> chmod a+x ./stage1
[22:46:57] <Tom_itx> if you install 8.04 can you do the update and get 10.04 with rtai?
[22:47:07] <JT-Shop> djdelorie: thanks
[22:47:17] <djdelorie> np
[22:47:28] <Tom_itx> so far 8.04 seems to be installing on this
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[22:53:52] <andypugh> No real point going to 10.04, you can run 2.5.1 on 8,04
[22:55:38] <Tom_itx> the bird is soooo ugly though
[22:55:56] <JT-Shop> lol
[22:56:13] <Tom_itx> it does seem to be working though
[22:57:02] <Tom_itx> it started to load so i stopped an stuffed in the 10.04 cd and got the cd errors again. i'm not getting those on 8.04 so far
[22:57:31] <Tom_itx> i wonder if they broke some drivers in the update
[23:01:49] <Jymmm> Heh, melted the aluminum
[23:06:34] <andypugh> Your alumimium spring?
[23:07:13] <Jymmm> I didn't even get that far =)
[23:07:48] <Tom_itx> wtf are you doing Jymmm?
[23:08:14] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: The same thing we do every night Pinky... TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!
[23:08:43] <Tom_itx> oh give it up, i did that already. i gave it back once i found out what a mess it was
[23:08:59] <Jymmm> Is 316Ti fairly common ?
[23:09:17] <Tom_itx> how should i know
[23:09:30] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Well, see you just didn't have a plan is all.
[23:09:31] <Tom_itx> is there some in your kitchen?
[23:10:15] <Tom_itx> i never really bothered worrying what kind of Ti i had, i just grabbed it at the salvage
[23:10:34] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: We had mad scientist locked up in the dungeon inventing dumbass gene toxin that'll we'll toss in the water supply
[23:10:40] <Tom_itx> and the rest was always supplied to us
[23:11:09] <Tom_itx> they closed part of the mississippi today
[23:11:42] <Tom_itx> not enough water in it
[23:13:12] <taiden> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kingspec-8GB-SATA-DOM-MLC-Flash-SSD-Disk-On-Module-Network-PC-Solid-State-Drive-/290726816544?pt=US_Solid_State_Drives&hash=item43b0ab2b20
[23:13:14] <taiden> holy
[23:13:17] <taiden> that is CHEAP
[23:13:51] <taiden> and fast too
[23:13:57] <DaViruz> a whole bunch of canals and canal locks have been closed here due to too much water in the rivers :()
[23:16:30] <taiden> http://i50.tinypic.com/10394w5.jpg
[23:16:34] <taiden> any thoughts ?
[23:16:41] <taiden> as i was installing 8.04
[23:16:52] <jdh> bad disk
[23:17:05] <taiden> hm
[23:17:12] <taiden> i just installed 10.04 on it with no issues
[23:17:34] <jdh> the install disk
[23:17:42] <taiden> ohhh
[23:17:47] <taiden> i'll burn another i guess
[23:17:47] <Tom_itx> i had a bad image
[23:17:52] <Tom_itx> do a checksum on the iso
[23:17:59] <taiden> alright
[23:18:01] <Tom_itx> before you waste another disk
[23:18:01] <taiden> i will do that
[23:18:05] <jdh> md5sum the iso and/or the device
[23:18:21] <taiden> i just started running the "verify disk" thing from the ubuntu boot page
[23:18:44] <taiden> will that be as accurate?
[23:20:09] <Tom_itx> how do you set 8.04 so you don't have to log in each time?
[23:21:04] <andypugh> It's an install-time option, but also under "security" I think?
[23:21:19] <JT-Shop> system > adminstration > login window
[23:21:20] <Tom_itx> ok
[23:21:52] <JT-Shop> it's only install time option on 10.04, 8.04 you had to do it on your own
[23:21:57] <Tom_itx> oh and where do they save the screen image files?
[23:22:05] <Tom_itx> i gotta get rid of this fugly thing
[23:22:16] <JT-Shop> right click on the desktop
[23:22:29] <Tom_itx> i wanna copy some over from 10.04
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[23:23:56] <Tom_itx> woops
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[23:25:26] <JT-Shop> andypugh: did you follow the upgrade path to 2.5.1 on the mcbox?
[23:26:33] <andypugh> Not yet. I have been working 9am to 8pm for the last 2 weeks.
[23:26:44] <JT-Shop> yikes
[23:27:44] <andypugh> Management don't seem to realise that it's all very well putting two shifts in the dyno to get the program back on track, but they still only have one engineer to provide the tests.
[23:29:33] <andypugh> (I use the word "engineer" loosely, I am not technically allowed to call myself an engineer as I have no engineering qualifications)
[23:29:52] <Tom_itx> sudo engineer
[23:30:34] <JT-Shop> but you get to blow the whistle right?
[23:31:33] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop how's your JT-Shop going since you gave us the bad news?
[23:31:34] <taiden> engineer by expensive experience not by expensive paper
[23:32:09] <andypugh> Anyway, I just realised that I spent the last week tracking down a bug in my code which I already tracked down as a hardware problem. Argh!. A wire falling out coincided with what I thought was the critical change to the code :-)
[23:32:17] <JT-Shop> I'm still pondering what to do at this point, I'm over being mad, depressed and the other usual stuff
[23:32:30] <JT-Shop> Ouch
[23:33:03] <alex4nder> andypugh: I fear dynoing without rest.
[23:33:08] <alex4nder> bad shit happens.
[23:34:20] <andypugh> alex4nder: I just need to keep the guys who drive the cell busy, but they create data quicker than it can be processed, and there is pressure to keep the (expensive) facility fully occupied.
[23:35:25] <Jymmm> FWIW... aluminum flashing at the big orange borg has a flammable coating on it =)
[23:35:33] <andypugh> The dyno is fully instrumented and environmental, ie it can control the ambient air, intake air, water and coolant from -30C to 30 ambient / 120 water/oil.
[23:36:17] <Jymmm> andypugh: Sure, but can it take you to the party in style though?
[23:37:26] <alex4nder> andypugh: yah sure
[23:37:30] <alex4nder> like keeping a machine running.
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[23:38:25] <atom1> base thread: 8425 servo thread: 5201
[23:38:26] <andypugh> It's not sensible, I am sure that the cells burn fuel and manpower uselessly just to appear busy about 50% of the time
[23:38:30] <atom1> this may be a keeper
[23:40:28] <andypugh> sounds good.
[23:40:45] <alex4nder> atom1: which board?
[23:41:09] <atom1> an old pc i had sitting around
[23:41:47] <atom1> amd
[23:41:59] <atom1> 3200? maybe
[23:43:09] <atom1> it's the one i had trouble loading 10.04 on
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[23:47:03] <andypugh> Sanity check. I just told someone on the forum that 10hp was a lot for a 13" lathe spindle. Am I right?
[23:47:28] <atom1> probably
[23:47:57] <atom1> 5 would be more like it
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[23:48:20] <andypugh> Colchester use 3hp on their latest Student model
[23:48:30] <taiden> i wish i had 8k/5k
[23:49:01] <andypugh> My main machine runs at 18k and is absolutely fine with a 7i43
[23:49:07] <atom1> i suppose it depends what you plan to turn too
[23:49:16] <atom1> if you're gonna do mostly steel i'd go with 5
[23:49:43] <andypugh> I have 1hp, and I think I need back-gears more than I need more power.
[23:51:13] <atom1> mmm 8.04 doesn't ask if i want an icon on the desktop for linuxcnc
[23:51:28] <atom1> how do i get one that points to the config i wanna use?
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[23:53:09] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/1aI3u.jpg
[23:53:13] <r00t4rd3d> 50 spot
[23:53:33] <JT-Shop> atom1: did you find more desktop images?
[23:54:03] <atom1> no, i wanna copy them over from 10 and use some
[23:54:16] <atom1> i don't know where they're at though
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[23:55:09] <atom1> trying to get the rest of this set up first
