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[00:00:34] <jp_w700> should be fine
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[00:03:24] <tjb1> Any recommendation on nylon vs acetal
[00:03:31] <JT-Shop> jp_w700: just wanted to make sure you knew about the vertical expand
[00:03:38] <tjb1> Im thinking nylon because I don't need high twisting force
[00:03:44] <tjb1> Vibration and shock would be better
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[00:04:23] <jp_w700> my preference is delrin
[00:04:31] <tjb1> Don't have that choice :)
[00:05:33] <jp_w700> delrin is acetal
[00:06:01] <jdh> delrin is my favorite non-metal.
[00:06:06] <jp_w700> sorry should of just said acetal
[00:06:06] <jdh> well, other than boobies.
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[00:06:30] <jp_w700> lol me too!!!
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[00:08:27] <jp_w700> vespel is pretty cool but big $$$$$
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[00:14:03] <tjb1> Acme screw and oldham coupling ordered :D
[00:14:17] <jp_w700> cool
[00:15:20] <tjb1> Im excited
[00:16:15] <jp_w700> what did you by for screws
[00:22:03] <tjb1> 1/2-10
[00:22:15] <tjb1> Just for z axis
[00:22:34] <jp_w700> from mcmaster?
[00:25:10] <tjb1> Yes
[00:29:46] <tjb1> http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=99030A005
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[00:37:13] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com//view?i=78c_1345587985
[00:37:19] <r00t4rd3d> LMFAO
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[00:44:44] <r00t4rd3d> Im going to hell
[00:44:52] <r00t4rd3d> oh wait, im already there!
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[01:16:48] <alex4nder> hey
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[01:25:52] <tjb1> hello
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[01:28:31] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.rcairboats.net/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=15
[01:28:58] <r00t4rd3d> east to make with cnc router rc airboats
[01:29:02] <r00t4rd3d> easy*
[01:29:37] <jdh> I had one in 1979
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[02:14:03] <r00t4rd3d> im talking about boats not girlfriends
[02:14:25] <jdh> haven't had a girlfriend in over 20 years :(
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[02:15:28] <r00t4rd3d> duh, thats what money is for.
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[02:37:16] <r00t4rd3d> "NY judge: Poker's not gambling under federal law"
[02:37:37] <r00t4rd3d> poker is what started gambling
[02:40:41] <MattyMatt> poker is a game of skill, therefore not gambling
[02:41:10] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[02:41:59] <r00t4rd3d> you can only use your skill if you get the right cards
[02:42:16] <r00t4rd3d> which is a gamble
[02:42:29] <MattyMatt> meh, just gotta bluff harder
[02:42:41] <r00t4rd3d> and gamble on winning
[02:43:08] <MattyMatt> picking a fast horse is also a skill >:)
[02:43:55] <r00t4rd3d> yeah, you gotta know the inside scoop to what one got some crystal meth before the race.
[02:44:39] <MattyMatt> does that make them faster or slower? they call it all doping these days
[02:44:52] <r00t4rd3d> faster
[02:45:08] <r00t4rd3d> the shed version of cocaine it is
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[02:45:47] <MattyMatt> yeah so maybe they just whinney and sweat but get distracted before the 3rd furlong
[02:47:17] <r00t4rd3d> i should team up with some indians and open a poker house
[02:48:17] <MattyMatt> I'd have reservations about that
[02:49:53] <MattyMatt> hmmz. I did code today to mill a faceplate with 12 radial slots. I could easily make it 37
[02:50:11] <MattyMatt> and put all the slots around the edge
[02:50:30] <MattyMatt> or 38, if it's for America
[02:52:08] <MattyMatt> new low-rent casinos here have 00 now, so maybe if you did one without in America you'd be considered high class
[02:52:40] <r00t4rd3d> are you on drugs?
[02:52:44] <MattyMatt> I wish
[02:52:59] <r00t4rd3d> okay, must be me.
[02:54:21] <r00t4rd3d> A chipmunk or squirrel died in my garage and it fucking stinks and I cant find it.
[02:54:41] <MattyMatt> you'll have to clean the whole place
[02:55:55] <MattyMatt> got any heavy machines in there yet?
[02:56:22] <r00t4rd3d> not too bad
[02:56:33] <r00t4rd3d> id rather find the dead whatever and get it out
[02:56:56] <r00t4rd3d> i only half assed the look tonight
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[02:59:21] <r00t4rd3d> i found a small ass mouse in a bucket a couple weeks ago and that bitch stunk too
[03:00:12] <r00t4rd3d> poisoning them is worse then just letting them go
[03:01:11] <MattyMatt> keeping them out is best
[03:01:50] <MattyMatt> fresh air is for the birds
[03:01:57] <r00t4rd3d> im surrounded by woods
[03:05:13] <MattyMatt> mm wood. any plywood trees?
[03:05:54] <r00t4rd3d> you can make plywood out of anything
[03:06:17] <r00t4rd3d> but no my seeds never germinated
[03:06:36] <r00t4rd3d> i traded the family cow for some
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[03:09:04] <r00t4rd3d> i put my controller power supply in my pc case today :)
[03:09:21] <MattyMatt> with the PC?
[03:09:26] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[03:10:01] <MattyMatt> my mill is running on an ATX for now
[03:10:18] <r00t4rd3d> i got a mini itx
[03:10:24] <r00t4rd3d> d525
[03:10:34] <r00t4rd3d> intel atom
[03:10:37] <MattyMatt> I mean the motors are running on 12V :)
[03:10:44] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[03:11:02] <MattyMatt> I could probably power a mini-itx off the same supply
[03:11:24] <r00t4rd3d> my motors are on 18v atm
[03:12:07] <MattyMatt> yarr I want a d525. I can ignore real time errors on an all-stepper machine but I'll be doing my lathe next
[03:12:21] <r00t4rd3d> i could probably power the d525 off my controller power but I dont know how
[03:12:50] <MattyMatt> there are mini-itx psu that take car power
[03:13:18] <r00t4rd3d> the newer intel atom can run off batteries
[03:13:19] <MattyMatt> but you might as well use 120V
[03:13:22] <Tom_itx> pico psu
[03:13:37] <MattyMatt> they be the ones
[03:13:40] <Tom_itx> this one is running off 12v
[03:14:35] <Tom_itx> http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.417/.f?sc=8&category=13
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[03:15:53] <r00t4rd3d> u been wanting a supply like that
[03:15:58] <Tom_itx> you may not want to use the same supply due to noise from the motors
[03:16:06] <r00t4rd3d> u/i
[03:16:36] <r00t4rd3d> pico boards are expensive though
[03:16:46] <MattyMatt> I need better drivers before I care about >12V for the motors. TB6560 have such a poor stepping rate I can't run the motors at full speed even on 12V
[03:16:50] <r00t4rd3d> so are nano ones
[03:17:01] <r00t4rd3d> i got a tb6560
[03:18:03] <MattyMatt> datasheet says 15µs mark & space. I seem to be OK at 10µs and I've heard 7µs is stable
[03:18:31] <MattyMatt> once you've defeated the slow optos on the chinese 4-axis
[03:19:08] <r00t4rd3d> i only got the 3 axis version
[03:19:13] <r00t4rd3d> Tom_itx,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VIA-EPIA-P830-12L-Pico-ITX-Embedded-Board-/160851465690?pt=Motherboards&hash=item25737e95da
[03:19:22] <r00t4rd3d> cheapest on ebay that i see, 259
[03:21:32] <r00t4rd3d> hmm no parallel port options :(
[03:22:51] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure how well they work with linuxcnc either
[03:23:05] <Tom_itx> this one won't work for it
[03:23:10] <Tom_itx> it's way too old
[03:24:01] <MattyMatt> repraps are moving to arm boards now. not running linuxcnc but they could in theory
[03:24:17] <Tom_itx> yeah a few are i think
[03:24:40] <MattyMatt> maybe that cut down russian version
[03:24:50] <Tom_itx> i've got a bunch of old PC104's too
[03:25:09] <Tom_itx> not sure what they'd be good for
[03:25:32] <r00t4rd3d> i might try a small cnc with arduino and grbl shield
[03:25:39] <r00t4rd3d> or etch a sketch
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[03:27:00] <r00t4rd3d> http://blog.makezine.com/2007/06/12/james-lebron-etchasketch/
[03:27:01] <MattyMatt> arduinos lack fpu, that's what's driving the change to arm
[03:27:02] <r00t4rd3d> check that out
[03:28:32] <MattyMatt> also the lack of ram. you have to spoon feed them line by line currently
[03:29:10] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.embeddedtronics.com/cnc_eas.html
[03:30:00] <MattyMatt> those plywood gears looks disturbingly like mine
[03:30:30] <MattyMatt> I've never used them. I made them for looks, then made delrin ones to actually use
[03:30:32] <r00t4rd3d> that design is pretty simple
[03:31:03] <r00t4rd3d> he posted the gears too
[03:31:04] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.embeddedtronics.com/image/cnc_etch/20%2036%20spur%20gear%2020degree.dxf
[03:31:20] <MattyMatt> meh, might as well put a pencil on a cnc
[03:31:39] <r00t4rd3d> not as cool
[03:31:55] <MattyMatt> not even if it's a deltabot?
[03:33:44] <MattyMatt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYs6jASd_Ww&feature=relmfu
[03:33:50] <MattyMatt> latest reprap
[03:36:26] <r00t4rd3d> you can cut most of that too on a router
[03:36:54] <r00t4rd3d> i seen plans for one someplace
[03:37:41] <MattyMatt> yeah there's very little structure to it. 2 plywood sides but it's mostly the Z slides holding it up
[03:39:07] <MattyMatt> as the cartesian to delta is working in the firmware, I'm tempted to make a cutting one with high pitch acme
[03:40:16] <MattyMatt> belt drive Z really limits the tool weight
[03:40:37] <MattyMatt> peopel are designing extra small extruders to suit it
[03:41:29] <MattyMatt> it's either that or drive the filament from the other end of a teflon pipe
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[03:43:09] <MattyMatt> it's not a proper deltabot with shoulders and elbows tho, but it's a nice compromise
[03:46:00] <MattyMatt> ah 5am. gn
[03:48:28] <r00t4rd3d> see ya
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[04:33:17] <awallin> MattyMatt: is that delta reprap linuxcnc controleld?
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[04:50:18] <r00t4rd3d> <MattyMatt> ah 5am. gn
[04:53:55] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:17175
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[04:55:31] <r00t4rd3d> that one in the video uses a Arduino Mega as a controller
[04:55:45] <r00t4rd3d> http://reprap.org/wiki/Rostock#Calibration
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[06:43:40] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[06:52:03] <theos> o/
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[07:08:15] <Jymmm> hola
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[10:22:19] <mrsun> hmm, anyone heard of someone that has built his own hexapod cnc milling machine? :)
[10:24:22] <archivist> there is one on yourtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_UmhUjZhNo
[10:25:16] <mrsun> oh a beefy one =)
[10:26:01] <mrsun> expensive build i recon
[10:26:07] <mrsun> tho, no linear guides needed =)
[10:30:25] <Valen> we are building a new router currently
[10:30:37] <Valen> or thinking about how to best go about said thing
[10:30:48] <Valen> think a hexapod is a good way of doing it?
[10:32:01] <Valen> how are they generally for accuracy
[10:33:32] <archivist> I imagine any play is magnified
[10:33:53] <archivist> so I wont be making one
[10:36:04] <Valen> 's what i figured
[10:36:08] <Valen> neat, but sloppy
[10:39:19] <jthornton> I'd hate to program that
[10:42:11] <Valen> thats what the kins module is for
[10:42:29] <Valen> you just write a G1 X50 and it makes all the motors move to do that for you
[10:42:37] <Valen> the homing sequence could be interesting though lol
[10:45:56] <mrsun> hexapods from what i understand is extremly rigid, but like archivist said .. play would be a problem
[10:46:00] <mrsun> i would like hexapods to be able to get away with say milling or grinding stone etc without a chance of grit getting on the ways etc =)
[10:46:03] <mrsun> as there is no ways
[10:46:17] <mrsun> just cover all "axles" with bellows and voila
[10:46:38] <archivist> with the right covers normal ways can be used for stone
[10:47:34] <mrsun> true, but you do not get the 45 degree tilting for free like you do with hexapods =9
[10:48:13] <archivist> stone saw/mill
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_08_10_York_stonemasons/IMG_1307.JPG
[10:50:20] <mrsun> yeah thats also a way to do it, get the guideways off the ground level =)
[10:50:38] <archivist> you see the upper right saw cuts
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_08_10_York_stonemasons/IMG_1306.JPG
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[11:11:55] <MattyMatt> awallin, no it's arduino controlled
[11:14:39] <MattyMatt> that semi-delta bot with vrtical guides will be less sloppy than a true delta with elbows
[11:16:09] <MattyMatt> you could do one of those with 6 slides and get hexapod kins
[11:17:01] <MattyMatt> or put the pan & tilt on the head
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[11:25:01] <MattyMatt> archivist, what's going on in that pic? has the cnc removed excess material is preparation for the lion to be carved by hand?
[11:25:54] <archivist> yes they have removed a chunk with the saw
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[11:27:03] <archivist> it was Yorkminster stomemasons open day aug 10th
[11:27:30] <MattyMatt> I guess they're not ready to let a machine do the fine carving yet
[11:28:04] <archivist> they do have dremel type tools for getting a qty out
[11:28:38] <MattyMatt> I mean automatically from 3d scans of the original
[11:30:23] <MattyMatt> with CNC'ed moulds, all modern concrete buildings could look like cathedrals for not much extra cost
[11:32:43] <MattyMatt> I've got some public housing drawings somewhere with gothic arches on the walkways etc.
[11:34:50] <MattyMatt> give the kids on the estates some gargoyles to throw stones at, I say
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[11:38:16] <MattyMatt> churches get all the best stonemasons
[11:38:59] <MattyMatt> but the devil has the best tunes :D
[11:40:58] <archivist> the gargoyles puke on the kids
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_08_10_York_stonemasons/IMG_1298.JPG
[11:41:58] <MattyMatt> yep vital feature
[11:42:30] <archivist> the set depict illnesses around that tower
[11:42:47] <MattyMatt> my walkways all had planters fed by rainwater, so there's always some soil for the kids to puke/piss/bleed into on their way home at night
[11:47:48] <MattyMatt> and flat walls atttract grafitti, so every wall would have an interesting texture
[11:48:54] <MattyMatt> I should rationalise my drawings into a single tower block and get it all in the computer. it should only take me as long as it takes to qualify as an architect
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[12:12:39] <r00t4rd3d> so 5 minutes
[12:13:22] <r00t4rd3d> most architects are fucking retards that dont know real world shit and can only draw shit to scale.
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[12:22:17] <r00t4rd3d> 10 years as a construction laborer should be a architect requirement.
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[12:24:28] <archivist> that should be widened to no designer of any sort to design without direct manufacturing experience
[12:24:34] <sebastian1> hello
[12:25:14] <sebastian1> is there any documentation or tutorial for writing something like image-to-gcode?
[12:26:34] <r00t4rd3d> im sure there is some linux version where you could look at the source.
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[12:27:40] <sebastian1> ok thx, i think i got it
[12:28:02] <sebastian1> i think it's possible to use any console application
[12:28:18] <r00t4rd3d> why you wanna do this anyway with lots of other programs already out there
[12:29:13] <sebastian1> i need a preprocessor for some gcode files
[12:30:05] <r00t4rd3d> i got some
[12:30:28] <r00t4rd3d> oh wait those are post processors
[12:30:39] <sebastian1> ohhh ok
[12:30:59] <sebastian1> no i want to edit the gcode file before loading into EMC
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[12:32:34] <r00t4rd3d> what is it you are trying to do? Why the edit or what ever?
[12:35:49] <sebastian1> i want to add gcode for a tangential knife (don't know if it's called that way in english)
[12:37:03] <jdh> in english, it is tangential knife.
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[12:37:09] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[12:37:14] <r00t4rd3d> cant you just edit the tool table?
[12:37:26] <jdh> it's a special tool
[12:37:29] <r00t4rd3d> add your tool then set it in the gcode
[12:37:52] <jdh> you need to control the knife angle
[12:38:01] <sebastian1> jdh is rigt
[12:38:29] <sebastian1> i think i'll write a little java program that calculates the angles
[12:38:58] <jdh> you just move the knife as an A axis?
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[12:39:36] <r00t4rd3d> you have a link for this tangential knife?
[12:39:48] <jdh> I could google it for you if you would like.
[12:40:17] <sebastian1> jdh yes as an A axis
[12:42:01] <jdh> looks like there is an inkscape plugin that exports gcode for tangential knives.
[12:45:17] <sebastian1> yes i've noticed that, but writing a preprocessor for EMC would be the easiest and most elegant way
[12:46:58] <sebastian1> i've also tried gantrykins from the linuxcnc forum
[12:46:59] <sebastian1> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=10&id=4163
[12:47:25] <jdh> not tangentkins?
[12:47:35] <sebastian1> sry tangentkins
[12:48:00] <sebastian1> :-[
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[12:54:08] <sebastian1> thats the right thread
[12:54:09] <sebastian1> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=10&id=13083&start=6
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[13:02:39] <r00t4rd3d> anyone wanna make a chair/ladder like this ?
http://i.imgur.com/wHbNn.jpg
[13:03:47] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/d3p0z.jpg
[13:04:20] <mrsun> hmm i wonder what effects you would need to cut like 2mm of rubber
[13:04:22] <mrsun> laser
[13:04:45] <r00t4rd3d> vbit would probably work too
[13:05:00] <jdh> tangential knife
[13:05:04] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[13:05:14] <mrsun> ahh true
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[13:06:05] <mrsun> but laser would be neater :P
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[13:10:47] <mrsun> http://www.cnc-plus.de/product_info.php?info=p1363_schleppmesserhalter-fuer-schleppmesser-.html something like that then ? :)
[13:14:13] <jdh> ahh... the old Schleppmesserhalter
[13:14:35] <jdh> that's just a free-spinning drag knife?
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[13:38:38] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/mN3AH.gif
[13:44:14] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d56_1345637909
[13:44:31] <r00t4rd3d> ride one of those around the world
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[13:49:07] <Jymmm> mrsun: Laser used to make rubber stamps all the time, but STINKS !
[13:52:12] <mrsun> Jymmm, ahh
[13:52:23] <mrsun> jdh, i guess? :)
[13:54:13] <Jymmm> mrsun:
http://www.gccworld.com/laserproi_en/engr_showcase_detail.php?ID=English_040916195346
[13:55:39] <mrsun> http://www.laserables.net/uk/
[13:55:40] <mrsun> :P
[13:56:28] <Jymmm> lies, smells way less, but still smells
[13:57:24] <Jymmm> It's not real rubber like on tires
[13:57:24] <Jymmm> just fyi
[13:57:31] <mrsun> as long as it resists the blast of sand blasting im happy :P
[13:58:01] <Jymmm> it's pretty soft and squishy
[13:58:05] <mrsun> atm im just trying things out, my ex mom called me and asked if i could engrave in stone =)
[13:58:17] <mrsun> so found that they sand blast stone
[13:58:20] <mrsun> with stencils
[13:58:23] <Jymmm> Oh, the laser can do that
[13:58:29] <Jymmm> no stencils
[13:58:34] <mrsun> ahh yeah ..but i have no laser :(
[13:58:40] <mrsun> was thinking of building one :P
[13:58:46] <mrsun> but if its to high effect its to high cost =)
[13:59:04] <jdh> ex mom?
[13:59:10] <Jymmm> there are sand blasting mediums for that
[13:59:25] <mrsun> my exes mom :P
[13:59:28] <mrsun> or whatever :P
[13:59:41] <mrsun> tried with al oxide now, didnt eat stone to well
[14:00:10] <Jymmm> soda?
[14:00:13] <Jymmm> nm
[14:01:53] <mrsun> gah
[14:02:02] <mrsun> what was the last thing that came trought from me ?
[14:03:46] <Jymmm> mrsun: my teddy bear in granite
http://i54.tinypic.com/k2mo7n.jpg
[14:03:58] <mrsun> nice =)
[14:04:03] <mrsun> laser etched i guess? :)
[14:04:08] <Jymmm> yeah
[14:04:52] <mrsun> know what media to use for sandblasting stone? :)
[14:05:36] <Jymmm> OH, I remember.... vinyl
[14:05:58] <Jymmm> like they use for cars, windows, etc
[14:06:07] <mrsun> huh ? :P
[14:06:48] <Jymmm> http://doityourselflettering.com/
[14:07:45] <Jymmm> get a local shop tocut what you want, apply it to the stone and blast away
[14:08:54] <Jymmm> mrsun: ^^^^^^^^^
[14:09:19] <mrsun> well do not have much of local shops around here ;P
[14:09:52] <Jymmm> no sign shops?
[14:10:36] <mrsun> hmm, there is one but dunno if they cut rubber =)
[14:10:54] <Jymmm> how many do you have to make?
[14:11:09] <mrsun> Jymmm, dont know, if they sell well for them there can be quite alot :P
[14:11:22] <mrsun> they want someone that they dont have to order 100 - 200 pieces or so minimum order from
[14:12:00] <Jymmm> well, add the sot of vinyl lettering per onesy twosy
[14:12:06] <Jymmm> cost
[14:12:25] <r00t4rd3d> wtf
[14:13:24] <Jymmm> mrsun: The ppl I know that do that larger qty use metal stencils for blasting
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[14:13:42] <Jymmm> but for one offs, vinyl lettering
[14:14:21] <mrsun> does venyl resist enough for sand blasting ?
[14:14:28] <r00t4rd3d> local headstone place uses 1/8 rubber sheets
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[14:15:25] <Jymmm> http://www.etchworld.com/ecom-catshow/Sandblasting+Vinyl.html
[14:16:22] <Jymmm> http://www.nationalstencil.com/rubber_sand_blast_stencil.html
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[14:43:10] <Jymmm> cnc punch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHU0a03OPM
[14:46:34] <syyl> pretty slow cnc punch ;)
[14:46:39] <Jymmm> I'll take two please...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU3SKaBFHIk&NR=1&feature=endscreen
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[14:50:25] <Jymmm> nm, it uses windows.
[14:50:39] <Jymmm> ;)
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[15:24:52] <Loetmichel> uhhhh
[15:25:48] <Loetmichel> teh punch si REALLY slow... ne of my supplyers has a big Trumopf CNC punch... full size sheets, up to 6mm steel
[15:25:59] <Loetmichel> that punches about 10 times that speed
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[15:51:10] <Jymmm> whats usually cheaper, 302 or 304?
[15:51:23] <Jymmm> is sheet stock
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[16:12:03] <Tom_itx> Jymmm i bet your local vendor could answer that
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[16:13:04] <Jymmm> Not vender, but mfg. and they have a tendancy to just qutoe what they are told and not what you describe
[16:15:53] <Tom_itx> 302 is considered a specialty alloy in sheet where 304 is common
[16:16:03] <Tom_itx> http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=836&step=2&top_cat=1
[16:16:43] <Jymmm> they dont even list 316 either, hmmm
[16:17:27] <Jymmm> I WANT 316, just dont know if I can AFFORD 316 =)
[16:17:44] <Tom_itx> if you wonder... you can't
[16:18:02] <Jymmm> ah found 316
http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=232&step=2&top_cat=1
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[16:18:18] <taiden> what is dmsg and how do I check it?
[16:18:32] <Tom_itx> from a terminal type 'dmesg'
[16:18:35] <Tom_itx> then read it
[16:19:15] <Tom_itx> 316 must be more common than 302 too
[16:19:35] <t12> speaking of strange stainless
[16:19:50] <taiden> incoming text bomb
[16:19:51] <t12> anyone happen to know what this weird stainless is that seems to be used on 50-60's european scientific equipment
[16:20:15] <t12> seems to get SLIGHT surface corrosion, very dull grey
[16:20:28] <taiden> http://pastebin.com/RBFRK6i0
[16:20:39] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: how so? I got a quote for 302 and 316, the 316 was about 5% higher
[16:20:45] <taiden> i stress tested my computer overnight with no jumps
[16:21:07] <taiden> today im cutting a part and computer skips enough steps to throw my toolbit 2 inches deep into my fixture
[16:21:21] <Tom_itx> Jymmm did you price 302?
[16:21:30] <Tom_itx> err 304
[16:21:43] <Jymmm> no just 302 and 316
[16:21:48] <Tom_itx> heck if i know
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[16:21:58] <Jymmm> =)
[16:22:09] <t12> taiden: any messages immediately before that?
[16:22:10] <Tom_itx> i figured it would be higher since it was listed under 'specialty'
[16:22:18] <t12> 1/10th second hang is pretty big
[16:23:01] <taiden> i will pastebin the whole log
[16:23:02] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Yeah nfc. I'll call the mill and find out what a master roll costs for each grade.
[16:23:41] <taiden> http://pastebin.com/Daf1h0hS
[16:23:47] <taiden> i dont know what to do
[16:23:58] <taiden> i have about 6 hours on this computer of cnc time
[16:24:00] <taiden> and this has never happened
[16:24:14] <taiden> i was not doing anything out of the ordinary
[16:24:22] <taiden> terminal and linuxcnc open and that's it
[16:24:31] <taiden> with one instance of vim
[16:26:15] <t12> large job file?
[16:26:19] <JT-Shop> did you run the latency test for an extended period of time?
[16:26:27] <taiden> same as the other hours i was running
[16:26:31] <t12> (what kind of laptop)
[16:26:42] <taiden> i did a 18 hour test with glxgears, do loop, and ping
[16:26:57] <taiden> and set up my latency in stepconf about 25% higher than my findings with that
[16:27:18] <awallin> that what was someone else was reporting on the list also? that latency-test runs fine but linuxcnc complains about realtime-errors?
[16:27:29] <mrsun> yeey finaly the first part of my wood workshop is getting into the final stages =) started to put in a door today! =)
[16:27:45] <taiden> fwiw i am running this on an old p4 desktop
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[16:27:50] <mrsun> ceiling almost done, walls done, flood done =)
[16:27:53] <mrsun> floor
[16:27:55] <taiden> but bios doesn't give the option to disable hyperthreading
[16:28:37] <taiden> since i logged into irc my times are 8.7k / 10.5k
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[16:30:14] <mrsun> isnt that a matter of how the delays in stepconf is setup ?
[16:30:18] <mrsun> if it complains or not? :)
[16:30:38] <taiden> i believe it matters if the delay exceeds your settings
[16:30:47] <taiden> then it gives that dialog
[16:31:00] <mrsun> yeah thats what i ment =)
[16:31:01] <taiden> i came up with my settings by doing to aforementioned 18 hour stress test
[16:31:13] <taiden> i am not sure how else to come up with the numbers to use
[16:31:37] <taiden> i believe something strange is happening that is causing a single spike of latency and apparently my 18 hour test didn't capture that
[16:32:02] <taiden> so short of crossing my fingers and hoping i don't wreck parts again i'm not sure what to do at this point
[16:32:11] <awallin> latency-test and linuxcnc don't necessarily measure the same thing. I think that was the conclusion from the discussion on the list.
[16:32:25] <taiden> alright
[16:32:37] <taiden> hm
[16:32:45] <taiden> i hate to ask this question, is it time for Mach?
[16:32:59] <awallin> but the usual tweaks are bios-settings, possibly "isolcpus" kernel-argument, etc.
[16:33:38] <taiden> yeah but
[16:33:45] <taiden> i have no way to measure these spikes that i know of
[16:33:57] <taiden> since my latency test doesn't record anything about 10k 15k
[16:34:27] <taiden> are there any controllers that interface with emc2 that dont rely on the cpu for stepping timing?
[16:35:09] <awallin> mesa-cards are popular. but you still need reasonable latency on the pc
[16:36:04] <awallin> there is motion-controller.time and motion-controller.tmax which might be monitored
[16:36:15] <awallin> or motion.servo.overruns or motion.servo.last-period
[16:37:08] <awallin> but if you monitor last-period you will just see a big number at the same time as linuxcnc shuts down because of that number. I think..
[16:38:19] <t12> 100ms seems like it'd be a
[16:38:23] <t12> maybe a driver hanging
[16:38:30] <t12> hard drive hanging in ISR?
[16:38:38] <t12> that is an old maxtor
[16:39:01] <awallin> I got these 155ms delays on one motherboard. repeated every 10 minutes. never figured that out, just changed motherboards.
[16:39:13] <joe9> taiden: check out smi
[16:39:17] <t12> i've seen machines where hard drive io would cause system time lose
[16:39:21] <t12> loss
[16:39:23] <joe9> taiden: what you are talking about seems smi related
[16:39:38] <joe9> taiden: hold on, I take that back
[16:39:48] <joe9> taiden, the 18 hr test should have captured that.
[16:40:24] <JT-Shop> mesa cards like the 5i20 only use the slow thread
[16:40:39] <awallin> but 100ms is a killer even with a mesa card...
[16:41:14] <JT-Shop> [ 2912.484753] This time, there were 226010134 which is so anomalously
[16:41:14] <JT-Shop> [ 2912.484755] large that it probably signifies a problem with your
[16:41:14] <JT-Shop> [ 2912.484758] realtime configuration. For the rest of this run of
[16:41:14] <JT-Shop> [ 2912.484760] EMC, this message will be suppressed.
[16:42:03] <archivist> taiden, did you abuse the graphics/video while the latency test was running
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[16:46:03] <t12> smartctl -a /dev/sda ?
[16:51:59] <Jymmm> Alright, which one of you did this???
http://i49.tinypic.com/5lny9x.jpg
[16:53:18] <Jymmm> kinda looks like Swapsourri in the background
[16:59:11] <Tom_itx> that's Jymmm's campin style...
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[16:59:21] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:59:33] <Jymmm> Nah, too short ;)
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[16:59:57] <Jymmm> and no 60" big screen
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[17:07:03] <joe9> i have a weird issue. want to check what could be wrong. I bought a taig mill a few months ago. Today, when doing the z touch-off with a round dowel I notice the below behaviour
[17:08:05] <joe9> dowel passes under at Z-4.945 -> Z-4.946 (passes) -> Z--4.947 (does not pass) -> Z-4.946(does not pass) -> Z-4.945(passes)
[17:08:16] <joe9> I repeated the above more than a few times
[17:08:44] <joe9> and do not understand why it would NOT pass with -4.946 on the way up, but the dowel passes on the movement down.
[17:08:54] <joe9> Is something off on my machine.
[17:09:03] <joe9> ?
[17:09:07] <joe9> any thoughts, please?
[17:09:28] <joe9> I did not use the machine much but for a few hours, in total.
[17:09:35] <Jymmm> backlash?
[17:09:49] <Jymmm> do you have a dial indicator?
[17:09:53] <joe9> 0.001inch backlash seems to be high, don't you think?
[17:09:53] <JT-Shop> backlash
[17:10:02] <joe9> Jymmm: yes, I have a dial indicator.
[17:10:11] <JT-Shop> acme screws?
[17:10:21] <joe9> is that acceptable backlash? on a few month old machine?
[17:10:24] <Jymmm> joe9: Toss it on your Z and run some cycles
[17:10:37] <JT-Shop> acme screws?
[17:11:01] <joe9> JT-Shop: i did not change anything. they are the factory screws.
[17:11:19] <Jymmm> joe9: Are the factory screws acme or ballnut?
[17:11:26] <joe9> btw, before I start worrying about this, Should this be a worrisome issue?
[17:11:27] <JT-Shop> are they acme or ball screws?
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[17:11:42] <joe9> JT-Shop: i think the factory screws are acme screws.
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[17:11:49] <IchGuckLive> joe9: if you can live with it its not an issue
[17:11:53] <Jymmm> joe9: pic?
[17:11:54] <joe9> Jymmm: ^^
[17:12:13] <JT-Shop> check to see if you have a 1/2 nut and if it is loose due to you just getting the screw and nut broken in
[17:13:07] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: 1/2"-20 leadscrews on X,Y,& Z
[17:13:14] <Jymmm> http://www.taigtools.com/mmill.html
[17:14:46] <Jymmm> parts list at bottom. and with a $19 nut, I doubt that's ballnut =)
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[17:17:41] <joe9> Jymmm: ok, thanks.
[17:17:55] <joe9> JT-Shop: will check if there is any adjustment around.
[17:18:32] <IchGuckLive> dont tight to hard jo
[17:19:35] <joe9> i have a starret edge finder. Two times, I think I went too close to the edge and the bottom edge contacting portion unscrewed itself.
[17:20:00] <joe9> I pulled out the spring and screwed the bottom portion back in.
[17:20:26] <joe9> It still seems to work. Not sure if you would still consider it a "good" edge finder?
[17:20:33] <joe9> or, would you recommend trashing it?
[17:21:06] <IchGuckLive> if it works for you its ok
[17:21:13] <joe9> i am not a machinist. I find that instead of relying on the noise of the edge finder, putting a finger at the edge finder joint is more reliable.
[17:21:46] <joe9> when the lower portion is out of alignment from the top portion and I can feel it with the finger, I know that I have reached the edge.
[17:21:52] <joe9> Is this a good practice?
[17:21:53] <JT-Shop> joe9: if it is repeatable it might be fine
[17:22:35] <joe9> yes, other than similar behaviour (Z-4.945 -> Z-4.946 (passes) -> Z--4.947 (does not pass) -> Z-4.946(does not pass) -> Z-4.945(passes)) on all axes, it is repeatable.
[17:22:39] <joe9> JT-Shop: ^^
[17:22:42] <IchGuckLive> repeatable is the goal
[17:22:47] <joe9> ok, thanks.
[17:22:57] <JT-Shop> when I use an edge finder max RPM is 1000, slowly move till the bottom jumps to the side and your done
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[17:23:32] <IchGuckLive> 1000 ? 300-400
[17:23:50] <joe9> JT-Shop: mine is not jumping to the side. I can feel it with my finger but there is no jump.
[17:23:53] <JT-Shop> also check for loose thrust bearings if you have any
[17:24:03] <joe9> until I get too far, then it makes the noise.
[17:24:35] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/mill02.html
[17:25:39] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA1IP379leA Hommade egefinder with a bearing
[17:26:12] <IchGuckLive> same precision lower cost more space
[17:28:09] <joe9> IchGuckLive: that is pretty smart, actually.
[17:28:11] <joe9> cool idea.
[17:28:12] <joe9> thanks.
[17:28:13] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: if never seen a edge finder at 1000rpm
[17:29:25] <taiden> hey guys sorry had to go afk
[17:29:31] <taiden> on the 18 hour test i did abuse video
[17:29:33] <taiden> did not abuse harddrive
[17:29:39] <taiden> i am considering the harddrive at this point
[17:29:52] <taiden> is there a stress test method for harddrives i can run while doing latency test?
[17:30:13] <IchGuckLive> copy 4GB around
[17:30:16] <joe9> JT-Shop: for the z-axis, i did not have a dowel and used the edge finder as the dowel.
[17:30:20] <taiden> i dont have any files that size
[17:30:24] <joe9> JT-Shop: is that a bad idea?
[17:30:34] <IchGuckLive> taiden: as large you got
[17:30:36] <joe9> taiden: is it amd?
[17:30:39] <taiden> it is p4
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[17:31:22] <IchGuckLive> taiden: 18 houre why
[17:31:36] <IchGuckLive> 10min is enoph for stepper
[17:31:36] <taiden> because it's longer than 17 hours
[17:31:38] <JT-Shop> IchGuckLive: that is the speed I use and found that info on the web
[17:32:00] <joe9> taiden: can't get a PIII?
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[17:32:19] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: 400-600 Normal 500 is the factory recomendet of all i got
[17:32:38] <JT-Shop> joe9: I don't see why you can't use the edge finder if the movable part is not on the material
[17:32:56] <taiden> joe9: can't get anythign that i want haha, just what is given to me
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[17:33:15] <IchGuckLive> taiden: how high does it go
[17:33:21] <joe9> JT-Shop: I think I did not explain myself properly.
[17:33:23] <taiden> 9k 12k
[17:33:38] <joe9> JT-Shop: i have the mill bit in the spindle. but, for the rolling piece, I used the edge finder.
[17:33:40] <IchGuckLive> do you realy need lower
[17:33:56] <joe9> JT-Shop: as, it seems to be a precision made 0.375 inch cylinder.
[17:33:59] <IchGuckLive> or just for fun taiden
[17:34:01] <joe9> instead of a dowel
[17:34:14] <joe9> JT-Shop: does that make sense?
[17:34:23] <JT-Shop> yep
[17:34:41] <IchGuckLive> taiden: stepper or servo
[17:34:44] <taiden> IchGuckLive: it's not a problem of lower, it's a problem of I had a random loss of steps that sent my tool 2" off course
[17:34:56] <taiden> that i cannot recreate / capture with latency test
[17:34:57] <JT-Shop> that's what I assumed you were doing with it
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[17:35:22] <IchGuckLive> taiden: at this numbers the latacy is not the factor
[17:35:34] <IchGuckLive> taiden: the Parport to driver
[17:35:49] <IchGuckLive> the timing maybe
[17:35:55] <taiden> what settings should the parallel port be in bios?
[17:35:55] <joe9> JT-Shop: ok, thanks.
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[17:36:10] <IchGuckLive> and also most factor is Voltige to Resistence
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[17:36:25] <IchGuckLive> taiden: EPP
[17:36:27] <taiden> IchGuckLive: there has been zero issue for about 10 hours of machining
[17:36:40] <taiden> IchGuckLive: I am going to check the bios setting for paraport right nwo
[17:36:41] <IchGuckLive> then its the power
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[17:37:07] <IchGuckLive> do you got a kondenser line
[17:37:27] <IchGuckLive> all motors powerd by one device
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[17:40:18] <IchGuckLive> taid still here
[17:40:27] <IchGuckLive> do you got a kondenser line
[17:40:31] <IchGuckLive> all motors powerd by one device
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[17:40:54] <taiden> EPP
[17:41:01] <IchGuckLive> taiden: can you give a short setup of the mashine motor type driver comunication part
[17:41:47] <IchGuckLive> -> Nema23 4,2A 24V ,Gecko, BOB12
[17:42:41] <IchGuckLive> if it worked for that long time its shure not the PC
[17:42:53] <taiden> it is because
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[17:43:03] <taiden> linuxcnc gave me unexpected realtime delay error
[17:43:20] <IchGuckLive> at 17+ hr
[17:43:26] <taiden> only while running
[17:43:33] <taiden> p4 pc > mobo parallel port > geckco g540 > keling 381 oz in
[17:43:36] <IchGuckLive> is there a real mashine running that time
[17:43:41] <t12> taiden: dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/somefile.dat bs=8192 count=10000 will write 800 mb
[17:43:50] <t12> increase count to increase amount written
[17:44:00] <taiden> excellent thank you
[17:44:32] <IchGuckLive> taiden: Powersorce volt 48?
[17:44:38] <taiden> yes
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[17:44:49] <taiden> this is awkward, latency test wont run anymore
[17:44:53] <t12> you can also run iostat -m 1
[17:44:57] <taiden> oh nvm emc2 was open
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[17:45:00] <t12> and keep an eye on tps for the device
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[17:45:25] <taiden> this may actually be a trivial fix
[17:45:26] <t12> the number should stay fairly stable
[17:45:40] <taiden> i think i may have screwed up somethign really simple previously
[17:45:50] <t12> run that while dd i think
[17:45:50] <t12> oh
[17:45:58] <t12> what?
[17:46:02] <IchGuckLive> taiden: whar do you mill more then 17+ hr
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[17:46:14] <taiden> yeah
[17:46:17] <taiden> this is pretty ridiculous
[17:46:31] <taiden> so apparently i fed stepconf my servo thread numbers
[17:46:35] <taiden> instead of my basethread numbers
[17:46:48] <IchGuckLive> i made only a 9hr full speed test with last move to the dials
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[17:46:55] <taiden> so i had it specced slightly below actual base thread jitter
[17:47:34] <IchGuckLive> at steppers it will stay at 100k
[17:48:47] <IchGuckLive> taiden: did you go with G5430 setup
[17:48:54] <taiden> yes
[17:48:54] <IchGuckLive> G540
[17:48:58] <taiden> nice controller
[17:49:22] <IchGuckLive> so change to other and go with double numbers
[17:49:38] <taiden> 17,000 jitter, 25000 min base period, 40000 Hz max step rate
[17:49:41] <taiden> seem to be what im going to use
[17:49:46] <IchGuckLive> thats still fast for every mashine
[17:50:07] <taiden> which ini file are these numbers contained within?
[17:50:09] <taiden> hal?
[17:50:27] <IchGuckLive> taiden: if you look into them you will see more
[17:50:40] <IchGuckLive> base 100k and servo 1mio
[17:51:09] <taiden> ?
[17:51:18] <IchGuckLive> look into the ini
[17:51:44] <taiden> is it CYCLE_TIME that i am changing?
[17:51:47] <taiden> to 0.017
[17:51:53] <IchGuckLive> no
[17:52:05] <IchGuckLive> cycle time is not to be changed
[17:52:17] <taiden> EMCMOT = motmod
[17:52:17] <taiden> COMM_TIMEOUT = 1.0
[17:52:17] <taiden> COMM_WAIT = 0.010
[17:52:17] <taiden> BASE_PERIOD = 30000
[17:52:17] <taiden> SERVO_PERIOD = 1000000
[17:52:28] <IchGuckLive> there is the issue
[17:52:41] <taiden> i'm not seeing it :(
[17:52:53] <IchGuckLive> get the Base to 50k
[17:53:12] <taiden> shouldn't it be 25,000?
[17:53:20] <IchGuckLive> it has always to be a devision of servo
[17:53:21] <taiden> based on what stepconf told me
[17:53:32] <IchGuckLive> double it
[17:53:53] <taiden> i thought that was min base period
[17:53:56] <taiden> ?
[17:54:09] <IchGuckLive> Base 50k and your done
[17:54:26] <taiden> ok so base 50k
[17:54:31] <taiden> what about comm_wait
[17:54:32] <IchGuckLive> also double the gecko 540 values and your good
[17:54:37] <taiden> huh?
[17:54:48] <taiden> that makes no sense
[17:54:57] <taiden> not to be rude but anyone else care to chime in here?
[17:55:08] <IchGuckLive> with 10k steps per second
[17:56:43] <taiden> alright
[17:56:46] <taiden> i changed that to 50k
[17:56:57] <taiden> now how can I change my jitter time?
[17:57:02] <IchGuckLive> the Gecko is on the min requirerments timing as it is the fastest but i woudt not go for that on 17+Hr working
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[17:58:00] <IchGuckLive> taiden: what speed are you G0
[17:58:20] <IchGuckLive> at 400 stepsd per rev or more
[18:00:52] <IchGuckLive> 5min to go for me
[18:01:42] <JT-Shop> starrett just replied to my query about the 827A and said ~1000 RPM
[18:02:05] <IchGuckLive> ok
[18:02:34] <IchGuckLive> if your edge is wright its asa it is
[18:02:44] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[18:03:17] <IchGuckLive> i teatch my students at 400-600 with 500 as it is at the box marked
[18:04:27] <JT-Shop> the Starrett has no markings on the box or instructions on the inside that's why I just emailed them to ask
[18:04:51] <JT-Shop> maybe different manufactures have different reccommended speeds
[18:05:06] <IchGuckLive> i guess so
[18:06:40] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: the mitutoyo is have the price
[18:08:04] <JT-Shop> ?
[18:10:26] <IchGuckLive> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002SG7PPC/ref=s9_simh_gw_p328_d0_i3?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0T8D8F45MSYM0J0YJ398&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1389517282&pf_rd_i=507846
[18:10:55] <IchGuckLive> ok im off BY
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[18:47:28] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/z5Q9O.png
[18:50:22] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: BAD boy!
[18:50:24] <Loetmichel> ;-)
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[19:13:21] <JT-Shop> what's worse than spilling 1,000,000 turnip seeds on the floor?
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[19:17:02] <tjb1> picking them up
[19:18:16] <archivist> vacuum cleaner with a new clean bag in it
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[19:25:11] <jthornton> spilling 2,000,000
[19:26:01] <Tom_itx> who's counting anyway?
[19:26:54] <jthornton> not me
[19:29:36] <syyl> worse?
[19:29:49] <syyl> waiting untill the germ out the carpet
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[20:22:59] <Nick001-Shop> With a Mesa 5i20 and 7i30 card, is there a way of seeing the index signal as its moving? I can see the encoder counts but not the index.
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[21:02:29] <taiden> i'm trying to set up my .ini file to change the settings that are based on my jitter numbers
[21:02:42] <taiden> i'd use stepconf but i have backlash and stuff setup in my ini so i dont want it to overwrite all that
[21:03:06] <taiden> any guidance ?
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[21:03:25] <taiden> .ini documentation doesn't mention jitter anywhere
[21:07:28] <JT-Shop> it's not an ini item unless you make it one
[21:12:00] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop will solidworks read a .scad file?
[21:12:05] <Tom_itx> some open source cad
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[21:15:09] <r00t4rd3d> it should
[21:15:43] <Tom_itx> well of course it should
[21:16:05] <r00t4rd3d> download one and try
[21:16:29] <Tom_itx> i am
[21:16:33] <JT-Shop> dunno let me see if that is an opton
[21:16:53] <cpresser> i dont think so; open-scad is not really a cad-format. its more of a scripting language
[21:17:13] <Tom_itx> crap. will it export iges or something?
[21:18:05] <cpresser> "OpenSCAD is not an interactive modeller. Instead it is something like a 3D-compiler that reads in a script file that describes the object and renders the 3D model from this script file"
[21:18:15] <JT-Shop> 30 types of files but none with .scad
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[21:21:06] <JT-Shop> recess time
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[21:23:00] <taiden> so this is interesting
[21:23:26] <taiden> i am using the more advanced latency testing tool
[21:23:40] <taiden> /usr/real*/testsuite/kern/run
[21:23:48] <taiden> kern/latency/run ***
[21:23:57] <taiden> and it's finding 100ms spikes
[21:24:09] <taiden> that the linuxcnc latency test doesn't find for some reason
[21:24:15] <taiden> and they are seemingly completely random
[21:24:30] <taiden> i have only found two so far
[21:26:40] <r00t4rd3d> background process probably
[21:26:58] <Tom_itx> is 10.04 lucid?
[21:27:26] <taiden> hardy
[21:27:32] <taiden> 10.04 ran horribyl on this machine
[21:29:18] <DJ9DJ> 10.04 is lucid
[21:29:22] <Tom_itx> it's lucid
[21:29:24] <DJ9DJ> 8.04 is hardy
[21:29:32] <DJ9DJ> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[21:29:37] <r00t4rd3d> "hardly"
[21:29:43] <taiden> sorry i thought you were asking me what i was running
[21:30:12] <taiden> r00t4rd3d: any tips on trying to track down which background process it is?
[21:30:42] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[21:31:04] <taiden> brb i'm going to restart and try to catch it, it seems that it happens right after startup
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[22:07:35] <taiden> this is a nightmare
[22:07:48] <taiden> now anytime i try to jog i get following errors
[22:08:04] <taiden> i just want something that works
[22:09:55] <taiden> alright i need guidance
[22:10:04] <taiden> in ini file i had BASE_PERIOD at 30,000
[22:10:15] <taiden> IchGubLieb or whatever his name is said to change it to 50,000
[22:10:23] <taiden> after doing that i got following errors
[22:10:29] <taiden> i just set it to 25,000 and it runs fine
[22:10:38] <taiden> so i have no idea what's going on
[22:10:44] <taiden> docs seem to show it set at 50000
[22:12:39] <taiden> stepconf creates a file that is BASE_PERIOD 100,000
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[22:20:47] <r00t4rd3d> <taiden> i just want something that works
[22:20:54] <r00t4rd3d> Intel Atom D525
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[22:22:56] <taiden> what are the guidelines for setting BASE_PERIOD?
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[23:06:43] <joe9> i have to make a notch in a pcb to fit this:
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/UB-MC5BR3-M404-4S-TB%20NMP/455-2567-1-ND/2538132?cur=USD
[23:07:09] <joe9> any suggestions on how I can do that? I do not want to pocket this as it might too hard on the bits.
[23:07:21] <joe9> but, not sure if that is actually not such a bad idea.
[23:07:26] <joe9> anyone with experience, please?
[23:07:35] <Tom_itx> ok cool. it can export stl and solidworks will import that
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[23:08:27] <joe9> i was thinking of a nibbler but it might be a bit too hard.
[23:08:41] <joe9> could also use a file, but, probably not a good idea given the FR4 dust.
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[23:29:39] <taiden> alright it happened again
[23:29:46] <taiden> at the exact same time as last time
[23:29:56] <taiden> RTAPI: ERROR unexpected realtime delay
[23:30:14] <taiden> threw my tooling off abut1 inch in the y
[23:30:27] <taiden> this just started happening overnight,
[23:33:53] <joe9> taiden: have you thought about using a ram linux image, ramdisk, if you suspect that it is the hard disk?
[23:36:32] <r00t4rd3d> did you update anything?
[23:36:41] <taiden> didn't touch anything
[23:36:44] <taiden> computer sat for about four days
[23:36:46] <taiden> started it up
[23:36:54] <taiden> now it does this
[23:37:00] <taiden> also
[23:37:15] <taiden> i havne't tried a ram linux image, but i did test latency while creating large blank files
[23:37:20] <taiden> and it had zero effect on latency
[23:37:48] <taiden> i can purchase an atom
[23:37:56] <taiden> but the bigger issue is time
[23:38:02] <r00t4rd3d> run the livecd and see what happens with that
[23:38:22] <r00t4rd3d> or try a fresh install of everything
[23:38:33] <taiden> i'm wondering if mach3 is better suited to small production environment?
[23:39:06] <r00t4rd3d> never tried it
[23:40:39] <taiden> it just pinkles my wrenis
[23:40:46] <taiden> that this setup was working flawlessly
[23:40:48] <taiden> until today
[23:41:00] <taiden> but i suppose complaining wont get me anywhere
[23:41:28] <taiden> r00t4rd3d: is there anything else you can think of? what is the simplest thing it could be?
[23:41:29] <r00t4rd3d> reinstall it all and see
[23:41:33] <taiden> reinstall
[23:41:44] <taiden> alright
[23:41:52] <r00t4rd3d> you got nothing to lose
[23:41:55] <taiden> i will reinstall
[23:42:05] <taiden> and i will rerun stepconf from fresh
[23:42:17] <taiden> and i will do my minor tweaks after
[23:42:24] <r00t4rd3d> just seems od 4 days ago it was okay and now its not
[23:42:29] <taiden> you got that right
[23:42:34] <taiden> my old setup would crash all the time
[23:42:47] <r00t4rd3d> makes me think hardware is going south
[23:42:51] <taiden> this one would hum along for days on end without any problems, 10k/15k solid on latency no matter how long i ran it
[23:42:59] <taiden> or how stressed it was
[23:43:11] <r00t4rd3d> all your heatsinks and fans clean?
[23:43:20] <taiden> actually
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[23:43:23] <taiden> that's a good point because
[23:43:35] <taiden> i haven't cleaned it since i first put it up for cnc use
[23:43:40] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[23:43:50] <taiden> good thought i'll check that
[23:43:56] <taiden> in the mean time im going to order an atom box
[23:43:58] <r00t4rd3d> ive seen heat do some weird shit
[23:44:13] <taiden> do we know for certain that the d525 is the best of the bunch?
[23:44:19] <taiden> for realtime kernals
[23:44:21] <r00t4rd3d> i got a intel atom d525 and lots of others around here do too, they just work
[23:45:40] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-D525MW-Mini-ITX-Motherboard-w-Atom-525-CPU-/200542103383?pt=Motherboards&hash=item2eb13da757
[23:45:45] <r00t4rd3d> i bought mine from him
[23:46:54] <r00t4rd3d> then this for memory:
[23:46:55] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RAMAXEL-4GB-DDR3-2x2GB-PC3-10600S-1333MHz-Laptop-Memory-Mac-Thinkpad-HP-Dell-RAM-/390449877210?pt=US_Memory_RAM_&hash=item5ae8a050da
[23:47:00] <r00t4rd3d> 15 bucks fills it
[23:49:57] <taiden> what are you using for storage again?
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[23:50:08] <r00t4rd3d> sata hd
[23:50:17] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-NEW-APEX-MI-008-250W-Mini-ITX-Case-/200708342703?pt=US_Computer_Cases&hash=item2ebb2643af
[23:50:38] <r00t4rd3d> that is the case you might also want, then its ready to go
[23:51:05] <r00t4rd3d> minus harddrive or what ever
[23:51:39] <r00t4rd3d> do you have a mini itx case already?
[23:52:01] <taiden> nope
[23:52:05] <taiden> only atx stuff
[23:52:12] <taiden> i have a brand new 450w atx power supply haha
[23:52:25] <taiden> would be a shame to waste it
[23:52:31] <Tom_itx> case on newegg is like $39 with psu
[23:52:32] <r00t4rd3d> you can use it
[23:52:49] <r00t4rd3d> you will just need a case that accepts a standard power supply
[23:53:20] <r00t4rd3d> or a atx case that accepts a mini itx board, some do
[23:53:21] <Tom_itx> umm...
[23:54:13] <r00t4rd3d> a 450w power supply is super overkill for a d525 but it will work
[23:54:35] <Tom_itx> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154091
[23:54:50] <Tom_itx> same thing
[23:54:57] <r00t4rd3d> more $$
[23:55:07] <Tom_itx> 5 less
[23:55:08] <r00t4rd3d> w/ shipping
[23:55:20] <r00t4rd3d> 45.99+7.99
[23:55:28] <Tom_itx> i got mine for 39 with free shipping
[23:55:30] <Tom_itx> same case
[23:55:58] <r00t4rd3d> i think you have to spend over 100 to get free ship
[23:56:20] <Tom_itx> no it was advertised that way then
[23:56:24] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[23:56:35] <Tom_itx> i like the case
[23:56:40] <r00t4rd3d> i had one
[23:56:53] <r00t4rd3d> not a apex
[23:57:13] <r00t4rd3d> mine is more old vcr shaped
[23:58:13] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/AZ1dr.jpg
