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[00:00:04] <andypugh> Jymmm: The main roof structure is 10x10 oak purlins and 5x3" oak rafters:
http://www.bodgesoc.org/Slaithwaite2/Hall3.JPG
[00:00:22] <Jymmm> ah
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[00:02:43] <Jymmm> andypugh: I see the laths are going horizontal, is that just to let the stone flex as it wants to?
[00:03:12] <andypugh> The slates just hang.
[00:03:37] <andypugh> They hook over the laths rather than being nailed to them. They won't blow away
[00:03:59] <Jymmm> ah
[00:04:22] <Jymmm> and this all cost what now?
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[00:06:05] <andypugh> Not that much. My dad has never been well off. But he is good at finding good prices.
[00:06:34] <Jymmm> Still, I want to know what a 50 TON Rood goes for these days =)
[00:07:17] <andypugh> We spent 20 years on the project, and in that time he never earned more than 25k. I would guess that purchase price plus materials was 120k-ish.
[00:07:44] <Jymmm> pounds?
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[00:08:03] <Jymmm> or USD ?
[00:09:19] <Jymmm> Is this the finished pic? Looks very nice
http://www.bodgesoc.org/Slaithwaite2/Front.JPG
[00:10:03] <andypugh> Gray slates run about £200 a ton, I think. But we had most of the old roof so just needed to top up.
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[00:10:17] <andypugh> They are readily avaiable:
http://www.stoneslate.com/OldStoneSlates.htm
[00:10:57] <Jymmm> stacked like that look like thin headstones
[00:12:28] <andypugh> There are fences around where I was brought up made that way. They look even more headtsone-y
[00:15:03] <ries> Hey guys, when I start setsmi, then up-on restart of linuxcnc, I don't get any signals anymore to my control board. Anybody happen to know this issue?
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[00:16:53] <andypugh> ries: I don't even understand the question.
[00:17:53] <ries> andypugh: with setsmi you can turn of the system management interrupts… After I set the smi, my latency is much better. However, after starting linuxcnc I don't see any pulses anymore on the parallel port
[00:18:49] <andypugh> I have not heard of "setsmi" before. I know about loading the rtai_smi kernel module. Is that the same thing>?
[00:19:11] <ries> yup… setsmi is just a little shellscript that does the work
[00:19:46] <andypugh> Do you get the same result doing it the old-fashioned way?
[00:19:46] <ries> it's located in /usr/realtime/bin
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[00:20:29] <andypugh> SMI isn't just something Intel did to annoy us. It does have a use, and disabling it has side-effects
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[00:20:33] <ries> good question… what is the old fashioned way? I always used setsmi
[00:20:48] <andypugh> You add a line to rtapi.conf
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[00:20:58] <ries> andypugh: It's the side effect I need, unfortunatly… without it I get large latencies
[00:21:24] <andypugh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?FixingSMIIssues
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[00:22:18] <ries> andypugh: going to read that, may be I missed something...
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[02:15:30] <tjb1> What gauge material is common on water tables?
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[02:16:14] <ReadError> water.
[02:16:19] <ReadError> jk sorry
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[02:17:47] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/Q7hwe.jpg
[02:18:27] <r00t4rd3d> China....
[02:18:33] <tjb1> Oh and JT-Shop / jthornton the square tubing is ASTM A500
[02:24:46] <r00t4rd3d> i dont like google getting involved with politics
[02:25:18] <tjb1> Tuesday I will have my stepper motors and g540 driver :D
[02:25:21] <tjb1> Time to play with Linuxcnc
[02:25:56] <r00t4rd3d> linuxcnc is the east part
[02:26:00] <r00t4rd3d> easy*
[02:26:23] <r00t4rd3d> cad/cam is the bitch
[02:26:57] <tjb1> I may have to manual program for a while
[02:27:00] <tjb1> I can't afford sheetcam
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[02:27:38] <tjb1> Well sheet cam will do 180 lines
[02:27:59] <tjb1> That note isn't in the linux version so wonder if linux version is free?
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[02:29:22] <mozmck> There is a free linux version...
[02:31:17] <mozmck> Les Newell - the author of sheetcam - is on the linuxcnc development mailing list...
[02:34:56] <tjb1> SO the linux version on the site is free?
[02:34:59] <tjb1> no limits?
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[05:45:20] <stochastic00> Anyone else encounter positional drift if and only if probing?
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[05:47:27] <r00t4rd3d> only when there is an alien involved.
[05:47:56] <stochastic00> :)
[05:48:26] <r00t4rd3d> not many people around this time of night
[05:48:32] <r00t4rd3d> or awake i should say
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[05:52:11] <r00t4rd3d> ask again in about 7 hours :D
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[06:15:00] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[06:21:14] <theos> o/
[06:23:05] <psha[work]> r00t4rd3d: why alien? there is part of the world called 'europe' and 'asia'
[06:23:19] <psha[work]> and there are people!
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[06:56:48] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[07:58:13] <v0idexp> Hi all again!
[07:59:33] <v0idexp> Continuing the question about the spindle... I have a stepper drive and want to use it as spindle. In PNCConf I have 3 axes (XYZ) configured, and they're working well. What does not is the spindle...
[07:59:55] <v0idexp> Have an 7i43-4 mesa board
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[08:00:38] <v0idexp> Another question... what the A axis is supposed to be used for?
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[08:07:14] <v0idexp> What I have is a motor which moves a piston up-down at certain velocity. So, the only thing I need is to let the piston move down until a limit is triggered and then move it up at different speed, until the upper limit is triggered
[08:08:52] <v0idexp> Debugging the out pins with oscilloscope says that XYZ axes are working (there's a good signal and direction is working well). But if I try to move the spindle, it does nothing.
[08:10:43] <v0idexp> And it seems that AXIS does nothing, I mean, I press the CW/CCW rounded arrows, it just checks the 'brake' label and nothing more
[08:19:45] <v0idexp> Mmmh, is the motion.spindle-on pin an external pin? I mean, I have to supply a HIGH level to it or it is a virtual pin?
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[08:27:12] <archivist> do you really want to treat the piston as linear
[08:27:33] <archivist> A is by convention a rotary axis
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[08:32:14] <v0idexp> what you mean by linear?
[08:33:00] <archivist> moves in a line, does not go around an axis
[08:35:08] <v0idexp> yes, I suppose, because I don't want to specify the distance at which it moves, only the speed
[08:38:31] <archivist> but driven from a crank?
[08:39:25] <v0idexp> no, only from software
[08:39:50] <archivist> hmm, what moves the piston physically
[08:39:56] <v0idexp> a step drive
[08:40:07] <archivist> grr, how
[08:40:28] <v0idexp> the piston is mounted on a screw
[08:40:54] <archivist> so which axis is that
[08:42:06] <archivist> or were you attempting to use the spindle out
[08:42:25] <v0idexp> it's not an axis, I mean, I already have 3 axes, and this one is supposed to be commanded with On/Off-like NGC commands. Spindle, I guess. (sorry for my dumb replies, I'm not english :/)
[08:43:18] <v0idexp> for example, PISTON_DRIVE_CW.... ALL WORK HERE ... PISTON_DRIVE_STOP
[08:44:45] <archivist> if you use a linear axis like U then you can set direction,speed etc in the same gcode and less need for the switches
[08:45:16] <v0idexp> well, this seems is what I need
[08:45:22] <v0idexp> How can I setup the U axis?
[08:45:36] <v0idexp> and in what it differs from normal XYZ axes?
[08:46:09] <archivist> does not differ in your case
[08:47:09] <archivist> what is the piston supplying
[08:47:23] <archivist> glue?
[08:47:33] <v0idexp> ink
[08:47:58] <v0idexp> but is there a command that does motion without having the position passed?
[08:48:08] <v0idexp> I mean, if I have a normal X axis
[08:48:33] <v0idexp> which command makes an X motion in (for example) positive direction at speed, say, 1000?
[08:49:23] <archivist> g0 x1000 F20
[08:49:36] <archivist> oops g1 x1000 f20
[08:49:51] <v0idexp> but x1000 is actually the distance
[08:49:51] <archivist> g0 is as fast as possible
[08:50:15] <archivist> F1000 would be a speed then
[08:50:30] <v0idexp> I have no way to know the distance ahead
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[08:51:00] <v0idexp> I mean, I'm feeding ink by pushing the piston until the working cycle has not finished
[08:51:32] <v0idexp> with g0/g1 I have to pass the distance the piston has to travel
[08:51:40] <v0idexp> and there's no way to know it ahead of time
[08:52:59] <archivist> painting lines on some material?
[08:53:39] <archivist> I was assuming a paint pot filling process
[08:54:12] <v0idexp> yes, painting on a plane
[08:55:04] <v0idexp> XY moves the head, Z raises it up/down and the WTF axis has to feed ink by pressing a piston when the head is down (so we're painting)
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[08:57:10] <archivist> I would just output a level start pump, and read back an line on a pressure switch
[08:57:41] <archivist> and why not 5 axis as planes are shaped
[09:00:37] <v0idexp> and it is possible to do with a stepper motor?
[09:01:10] <archivist> your real problem getting a stepper running from the spindle signal to drive the stepper from the spindle function, I dont know enough about the mesa card to do that connection
[09:03:03] <v0idexp> exactly, that's my problem... but a part from the mesa card, how it would be set up?
[09:04:57] <micges> did you get motion.spindle-on true?
[09:06:22] <archivist> and did you set a speed
[09:06:28] <v0idexp> no :( can't manage to get it true...
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[09:08:21] <micges> run emc status
[09:08:55] <micges> menu machine->linuxcnc status
[09:09:09] <v0idexp> ok
[09:09:12] <v0idexp> done
[09:09:37] <micges> scroll to spindle* part and see changes after F9
[09:09:57] <v0idexp> nothing changes
[09:10:41] <micges> take a screen shot
[09:11:56] <v0idexp> ok
[09:12:30] <micges> can I see it? :)
[09:12:36] <v0idexp> wait a sec ;)
[09:13:45] <micges> k
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[09:18:10] <v0idexp> http://postimage.org/image/njw87fuh5/8beea827/
[09:18:13] <v0idexp> sorry for waiting
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[09:23:48] <micges> v0idexp: make backup of your hal file and try to run this one:
http://pastebin.com/dciDeErW
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[09:23:57] <micges> and same test with emc status
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[09:24:30] <v0idexp> sure
[09:26:13] <v0idexp> same thing
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[09:31:11] <v0idexp> made a video, soon i'll post al ink
[09:31:20] <micges> do you have another hal files in config dir?
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[09:36:30] <v0idexp> yes
[09:36:51] <v0idexp> custom.hal, custom_gvcp.hal, custom_postgui.hal, postgui_call_list.hal, shutdown.hal,
[09:36:57] <v0idexp> no one created by me
[09:38:45] <micges> it seems to me that this is pncconf bug
[09:41:23] <v0idexp> using 2.6.0 (git)
[09:41:48] <v0idexp> but basically, configuration seems to be good, right?
[09:42:22] <micges> basically yes
[09:42:30] <micges> but it doesn't work
[09:43:35] <v0idexp> I'll try the stable 2.5.1 release
[09:48:30] <v0idexp> http://www.mediafire.com/?c8psfc8prfq0ta8
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[10:04:59] <v0idexp> 2.5.1
[10:05:03] <v0idexp> works
[10:05:05] <v0idexp> :)
[10:05:18] <v0idexp> at least seems to work in axis, now I'll test with oscilloscope the output pins
[10:05:42] <v0idexp> thank you for your help
[10:05:55] <v0idexp> so, it is a bug
[10:06:05] <v0idexp> a kind of regression
[10:07:38] <micges> cool
[10:10:32] <micges> please report this on mailing list
[10:10:38] <micges> or
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=6744&atid=106744\
[10:27:41] <v0idexp> excellent, tested with oscilloscope, everything works :)
[10:27:48] <v0idexp> sure, i'll do it :)
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[10:37:53] <v0idexp> ok, confirm that it works. step 2: can I configure 2 spindles? :)
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[11:20:32] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/Fcu4F.jpg
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[11:35:02] <cncbasher_> i'll pass on that ,,, lol best person i'd say is micheal to point you in the right direction on that one
[11:35:31] <cncbasher_> but thats the joy's of emc it's all scriptable ...
[11:36:08] <cncbasher_> it's the secret of finding how to script it thats elusive at times ..
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[11:36:53] <cncbasher_> but micheals done that part so he's know how to script it
[11:37:16] <cncbasher_> glad your on a winning streak glad to know
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[12:12:57] <WillenCMD> Can i launch rip-environment from inside a script?
[12:13:26] <WillenCMD> i tried python's subprocess, and it doesn't seem to work
[12:14:54] <jthornton> what are you trying to do?
[12:16:25] <WillenCMD> well i have wrote several gui's and halcomponents, that run using halrun... but in order to use the installed hal component i have to rip-environment first
[12:17:10] <WillenCMD> this isn't acceptable when i distribute these machines, i would like them to boot straight into the gui
[12:17:24] <jthornton> that doesn't make sense, the installed hal component is the one you get by default
[12:18:01] <WillenCMD> when you write your own, and install it. It won't work unless i use rip-environment
[12:18:11] <jthornton> yes it does
[12:18:16] <WillenCMD> unless im installing it incorrectly
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[12:18:23] <jthornton> that might be the case
[12:18:36] <jthornton> sudo comp --install my.comp
[12:18:57] <WillenCMD> that's exactly what i do
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[12:21:03] <jthornton> and when you run your gui with linuxcnc path to my ini your load component line throws an error?
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[12:25:32] <WillenCMD> no linuxcnc
[12:25:39] <WillenCMD> its simply a hal machine
[12:25:41] <jthornton> and the my.ko file should be in usr/realtime-2.6.32-122-rtai/modules/linuxcnc
[12:26:19] <jthornton> hmmm
[12:26:20] <WillenCMD> basically using gladevcp for call backs and handling the gui, and writing halcomp's to control these specific machines
[12:26:41] <WillenCMD> to start the machine, its simply halrun mymachine.hal
[12:27:49] <WillenCMD> These are task oriented machines, i.e. Gear Shaping, Hob sharpening, Diamond Cutoff Machine, Drill/End-mill SHarpener
[12:28:05] <WillenCMD> so its very conversational
[12:29:34] <jthornton> something like this thread?
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=48&id=23317
[12:30:46] <jthornton> maybe you just need to build your comp and put it in the same directory as your GUI
[12:31:04] <WillenCMD> the .comp file is placed into the gui directory
[12:31:22] <jthornton> you still have to run it through comp
[12:31:49] <jthornton> comp --compile rtexample.comp
[12:31:59] <WillenCMD> okay, i'll try that
[12:32:00] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/comp.html#_compiling
[12:32:35] * jthornton hums hi ho... hi ho... it's off to work I go...
[12:32:46] <WillenCMD> im already there
[12:33:52] <jdh> me too.
[12:35:08] <archivist> what is this work you speak of
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[12:38:25] <WillenCMD> its more play than work right now, because of all the custom work im doing
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[12:39:42] <archivist> I was supposed to be working today, customer failure!
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[13:25:54] <WillenCMD> how hard would it be to strip the linuxcnc-dev of all things not related to hal or its components?
[13:27:06] <WillenCMD> modify the make/config file i would assume?
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[13:33:57] <mk0> what is run-in-place? google does not answer
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[13:42:16] <cpresser> mk0: not installing the software (eg. copy binarys to /usr/bin ...)
[13:42:45] <mk0> like opera for usb?
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[13:43:28] * cpresser does not know opera for usb
[13:43:34] <cpresser> but it sounds similar
[13:43:43] <cpresser> (like a similar concept)
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[14:04:59] <v0idexp> Ok, for all those guys who followed with pain my troubles, just solved everything:
[14:05:08] <v0idexp> 1) connected two stepper drives as spindles
[14:05:58] <v0idexp> 2) created a custom NGC command which allows working with spindles with ease, as it is m103 p1 q200, which lets the spindle 1 rotate in cw with 200 RPM
[14:06:30] <v0idexp> the main problem was the bug in LinuxCNC 2.6.0~pre, installing 2.5.1 stable made the spindle work
[14:09:35] <psha[work]> sounds like regression
[14:09:36] <psha[work]> bad
[14:09:44] <v0idexp> yep
[14:09:49] <cradek> is there a bug report?
[14:10:04] <v0idexp> when I'll find a sec, i'll report it
[14:10:12] <psha[work]> don't forget :)
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[16:13:18] <skunkworks__> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mach1mach2cnc/message/136703
[16:13:55] <Connor> skunkworks__: What are we looking at?
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[16:26:30] <jdh> connor: mach finally gets run-from-here?
[16:26:45] <jdh> seems haphazard at best for any mildly involved gcode file
[16:29:04] <Connor> I've had issues with LinuxEMC run from here.. Like no realizing that the X was set some steps ago... and it just moves to the Y and starts running ..
[16:29:16] <Connor> but, that was my own stupidity. :)
[16:30:46] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/XQSvo.jpg
[16:30:59] <r00t4rd3d> still need to clean up parts of it and do a second coat
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[16:36:15] <r00t4rd3d> and on a side note, I fucking hate football
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[16:49:14] <L84Supper> did anyone find a laser cutter from China that is reliable? I'm looking for something to cut 1/8" (~3mm) chipboard
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[16:51:09] <Jymmm> there are a few good ones, but what size
[16:54:00] <L84Supper> whats the size of a typical board game? ~18" x 18"
[16:54:00] <Jymmm> and by chipboard do you mean the cardboard found on the back of yellow legal pads, or the stuff found on the back of cheap furniture
[16:54:45] <Jymmm> ok, cardboard. You need shapes/holes cut into it?
[16:54:58] <L84Supper> no
[16:55:12] <L84Supper> I mean yes
[16:55:18] <Jymmm> you just need the game board sized pieces?
[16:55:49] <L84Supper> up to game board size, also for game pieces
[16:55:58] <Jymmm> custom shaped holes?
[16:56:09] <L84Supper> yes
[16:56:26] <Jymmm> how elaborate?
[16:56:51] <r00t4rd3d> just slap a laser on your cnc router
[16:57:28] <r00t4rd3d> if you have one
[16:57:40] <L84Supper> r00t4rd3d, yeah, this is for someone who has only game designs
[16:58:15] <Jymmm> L84Supper: are these one off prototypes or production?
[16:58:15] <r00t4rd3d> tell them not to waste their money, there is a monopoly in board games.
[16:58:25] <L84Supper> the quotes from printers and cutting services I saw were pretty high
[16:58:48] <L84Supper> r00t4rd3d, pun intended?
[16:59:19] <Jymmm> L84Supper: how many holes? and bindery services shouldn't be that high
[16:59:33] <L84Supper> the quotes were so high it looks like it might be better for them to start making games in house
[16:59:52] <Jymmm> qty?
[17:00:14] <L84Supper> these are low volume designer games 500-5K pcs
[17:01:03] <L84Supper> also custom decks of playing cards
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[17:01:47] <Jymmm> L84Supper: The issue is with 1/8" chipboard it's real dusty when cut, only semi-dense, and catches fire easily. So trying to laser cut (lets say) 3 stacked at a time might be an issue.
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[17:02:11] <Jymmm> Plus the kerf is going to get wider too.
[17:02:19] <r00t4rd3d> you might burn through your profits
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[17:02:32] <L84Supper> Jymmm, yes, there are other low cost substrates I can see steering them towards
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[17:02:37] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[17:02:49] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: rain in the desert
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[17:03:22] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Even at 500+, I'd talk to a paper mill, not a printer. They have the sheers/drills for that sorta thing.
[17:04:02] <Jymmm> L84Supper: You could consider waterjet too
[17:04:27] <IchGuckLive> waterjet 500mm ?
[17:05:20] <Jymmm> I've seen waterjet used to cut pre-packaged sandwiches, cakes, pies, etc
[17:06:01] <IchGuckLive> agree on that also foam at 1m
[17:08:40] <Jymmm> L84Supper: laser might also char the cut edges, usually happens on wood, more so on species with higher sap content.
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[17:09:51] <Jymmm> L84Supper: But, depending on the game design/esthetics, might be able to do plastic sheet instead.
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[17:10:38] <ScribbleJ> L84Supper, I have a hong kong laser that has been very good to me.
[17:10:49] <ScribbleJ> L84Supper, how much do you want to spend?
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[17:12:13] <IchGuckLive> http://www.ustream.tv/burningman
[17:12:25] <L84Supper> ScribbleJ, how much life do you think you can get out of your unit? If you were cutting <1" pieces 24/7 out of chipboard or vinyl
[17:13:06] <ScribbleJ> Well, L84Supper, a laser that'll cut 1" of anything is going to set you back a lot. This one has trouble with anything much over 1/4".
[17:13:12] <IchGuckLive> 24/7 needs good constant cooling
[17:13:27] <L84Supper> ScribbleJ, thickness is ~1/8"
[17:13:29] <ScribbleJ> However, the one I have can run pretty continuously, with watercooling.
[17:13:35] <ScribbleJ> Here's theone I have:
[17:13:52] <IchGuckLive> life is 2000h max
[17:13:56] <ScribbleJ> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CO2-LASER-ENGRAVING-MACHINE-ENGRAVER-CUTTER-AUXILIARY-ROTARY-DEVICE-50W-NEW-w-/260919607158?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc0053f76
[17:14:01] <L84Supper> I was thinking of your laser cutter after your rave reviews of it
[17:14:22] <ScribbleJ> yeah, you'll have to replace the laser tube every 6-12 months if you run it all the time, that's part of the maintenence. I haven't had to do that yet.
[17:14:38] <ScribbleJ> New tube is like $300 - ish. So not bad.
[17:14:51] <L84Supper> how is it at engraving wood?
[17:15:08] <L84Supper> that could be a nice alternative
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[17:15:35] <L84Supper> custom wood game pieces
[17:15:54] <ScribbleJ> IT's quite excellent, the laser power is consistent so with some tuning and some quality wood, you can engrave to a consistent depth. Of course it's easier to get good consistency out of a more homogenous material, like acrylic or whatever.
[17:16:10] <L84Supper> for $3000 thats not bad
[17:16:34] <ScribbleJ> I've found the 300x500mm bed size limiting a few times, but it's hard to find anything larger that's not MUCH more expensive.
[17:16:43] <ScribbleJ> And 300x500 is pretty generous anyhow.
[17:17:07] <L84Supper> board games are that size or smaller, so they could cut the boards and the pieces
[17:17:52] <ScribbleJ> Oh sure, it would do fine with a board game. Iv'e been considering lasercutting some interlocking catan peices
[17:17:58] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: Do you have photos of the internals of your laser? tube, electronics, working area, etc?
[17:18:00] <ScribbleJ> Since our cats just love to fuck up a game of catan.
[17:18:07] <ScribbleJ> Jymmm, some, yes.... hang on...
[17:18:08] <L84Supper> unless I find some niche game makers in China
[17:18:28] <ScribbleJ> http://www.flickr.com/photos/13723140@N04/sets/72157629705782797/ Try here, Jymm.
[17:19:45] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: USB dongle?
[17:20:05] <ScribbleJ> It connects to the computer via USB, there's no sort of dongle.
[17:20:34] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: auto focus?
[17:20:39] <ScribbleJ> No, only manual.
[17:20:52] <ScribbleJ> There's a big hand-crank to move the Z
[17:20:58] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: manual crank, or push button?
[17:21:00] <Jymmm> ok
[17:21:10] <ScribbleJ> It would be pretty easy to replace that with a motor, I think.
[17:21:10] <L84Supper> blank playing cards + UV inkjet can easily be used to make the custom decks of cards
[17:21:26] <ScribbleJ> http://www.flickr.com/photos/13723140@N04/7031101243/in/set-72157629705782797 hand crank
[17:21:32] <ScribbleJ> "UP AND DOWN SWITCH"
[17:21:40] <ScribbleJ> The engrish in the printer and the manual entertained me for months.
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[17:22:09] <cpresser> ScribbleJ: does it have a pause-button?
[17:22:14] <ScribbleJ> Completely unrelated, I just built this thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRiHelJOnFU
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[17:22:39] <cpresser> my el-cheapo-china-laser has a pause-bvutton-bug: it resumes cutting after pause as soon as you open the cover
[17:22:40] <ScribbleJ> cpresser, yes, it does... the software and firmware are both very full featured. You can adjust speeds and laser power on the machine, too, on the fly.
[17:22:57] <ScribbleJ> And it can store programs to run internally, and just is generally pleasant to use.
[17:23:21] <ScribbleJ> This one has no lid switch AFAIK so that won't happen... and it'll happily burn your eyes out if you decide to open the lid while it's running.
[17:24:36] <cpresser> i did some security-improvements on my machine. fixed the switch; removed the powder-coat from the cutting table (those fools used a coating which burns like hell as soon as the laser hits it)
[17:24:46] <cpresser> and i bought a co2 extenguisher :)
[17:24:53] <Jymmm> Heh, mine has a open lid bug too, not as bad as cpresser's though.... it'll kill the laser but the motion keeps going. You have to hit the PAUSE button instead.
[17:24:58] <Jymmm> cpresser: Nitrogen
[17:25:14] <Jymmm> flood the compartment =)
[17:25:25] <Jymmm> no condensation
[17:26:29] <cpresser> the only reason why i didnt redo the control so far is the engraving function.
[17:26:52] <Jymmm> cpresser: But anythign is better than nothing at all...
http://i37.tinypic.com/sqh6r7.jpg
[17:26:54] <cpresser> there is the hal-streamer approch, but so far its not nicely integrated into some CAM :/
[17:27:15] <cpresser> Jymmm: ugly
[17:27:25] <L84Supper> I hate it when that happens
[17:27:48] <Jymmm> $30K USD and the insurance company would not replace it
[17:28:04] <L84Supper> what was it cutting?
[17:29:00] <Jymmm> dont recall, but she had been cutting like 50 of them so far with no problems, then had to walk away to answer the door. NEVER ALK AWAY FROM A LASER hit the pause button
[17:29:43] <Jymmm> http://i36.tinypic.com/27y5n2d.jpg
[17:29:45] <ScribbleJ> I saw that, yea
[17:29:56] <ScribbleJ> I had a fire start in mine while cutting some birch plywood
[17:30:42] <cpresser> i am still wondering how i am going to set up mine in the new shop. i want it in a small room, so i can easly vent out the fumes.. but i also need to watch it
[17:31:03] <L84Supper> ScribbleJ, whats the cutting rate for something 1/8" plastic or chipboard-like
[17:31:05] <Jymmm> cpresser: you have an air scrubber?
[17:31:10] <cpresser> cutting colored acrylic doesnt smell good
[17:31:24] <ScribbleJ> But I was watching it like a responsible operator, so I actually got my camera, and took a picture, and then shut it down and pulled the wood out by hand before it got too bad.
[17:31:36] <cpresser> Jymmm: no, i just have a large 'fan' which sucks air out of the laser-compartment and blows it outside
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[17:31:57] <ScribbleJ> L84Supper, at 1/8" I've had good luck at about 20mm/sec, maybe a bit more even. 1/4" I usually do around 10.
[17:32:21] * cpresser uses similar feed-rates
[17:32:32] <Jymmm> cpresser: I/most use a dust collector, not a "fan". Then hit a hydroponics store and get a 6" carbon filter
[17:32:54] <jdh> and some fertilizer for your "herbs"
[17:33:28] <ScribbleJ> http://www.flickr.com/photos/13723140@N04/6903776150/in/photostream not very dramatic photos of my fire.
[17:33:29] <Jymmm> cpresser: like this
http://www.htgsupply.com/Product-A-GrowBright-Pure-Flow-6-Tall-Boy-Filter.asp
[17:33:36] <ScribbleJ> http://www.flickr.com/photos/13723140@N04/6903776152/in/photostream/
[17:34:30] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: do you have photos of your cutting grid? I want to see how it's attached to it's frame
[17:34:38] <ScribbleJ> That's an interesting product. I'd assume that's for people who's neighbors cannot abide the smell of cilantro.
[17:35:04] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: Yes, but works great for laser work
[17:35:11] <ScribbleJ> Jymmm, it's not, the laser comes with a flat, plain bed. I cut some aluminum honeycomb and just dropped it in there myself, will replace it with something nicer eventually.
[17:35:17] <cpresser> thanks for the filter-tip, Jymmm. ill see what i can find in the store
[17:35:43] <Jymmm> cpresser: Get at least 6" wide, even if your laser is 4"
[17:36:05] <Jymmm> cpresser: It'll reduce the the load on the blower/fan
[17:36:25] <Jymmm> cpresser: also, try to use 6"+ duct
[17:36:28] <cpresser> how often do you need to replace the filter-substrate?
[17:36:38] <Jymmm> depends on your usage
[17:36:54] <Jymmm> weight it, and when the weight doubles, replace it
[17:37:14] <Jymmm> or almost double
[17:38:33] <ScribbleJ> http://www.flickr.com/photos/13723140@N04/7080853883/in/photostream I'm a terrible hack.
[17:38:57] <Jymmm> at least you didnt use 4"
[17:39:02] <jdh> I'd suggest some black or red duct tape. Get some contrast going.
[17:39:21] <ScribbleJ> Haha
[17:39:39] <ScribbleJ> Three out of four times I forget to turn it on until my garage is full of that molten acrylic smell.
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[17:40:29] <Jymmm> cpresser: just others, I like the perf material here
http://www.ehydroponics.com/phat-filter-39x-8-950-cfm.html
[17:41:08] <ScribbleJ> I love how they sell all this stuff without ever once directly mentioning its intended usage.
[17:41:29] <ScribbleJ> I have to wonder if some naieve gardners really do get these things for their cilantro.
[17:41:31] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: clean air?
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[17:41:44] <ScribbleJ> I love the subtle hints though
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[17:42:00] <ScribbleJ> "Phat" filter. and the psychadelic background on the product photo.
[17:42:00] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: for coriander cilantro ?
[17:42:14] <Jymmm> or herbal cilantro?
[17:42:22] <Jymmm> ;)
[17:42:32] <r00t4rd3d> your filament spool looks like the Death Star
[17:42:53] <jdh> ScribbleJ: make me an acrylic Pi box
[17:43:03] <r00t4rd3d> <|
[17:43:13] <ScribbleJ> "Phat filters use a very special Mongolian charcoal carbon that comes from a source of pre-Cambrian ore, or some of the oldest carbon found on earth. This carbon dates back 250 million years and is the reason our Phat Filters are so effective!"
[17:43:17] <ScribbleJ> Ugh... really?
[17:43:28] <ScribbleJ> All carbon on earth dates back billions of years.
[17:43:42] <ScribbleJ> It was made in motherfucking stars.
[17:43:44] <jdh> s/billions/6,000/
[17:43:50] <ScribbleJ> jdh, I will stab you.
[17:44:12] <r00t4rd3d> i dont think you will.
[17:44:26] * r00t4rd3d hands ScribbleJ a knife
[17:44:49] <ScribbleJ> OK, fine, I won't. But I will give him a disapproving glare.
[17:45:00] <r00t4rd3d> aww, all talk, no slice.
[17:45:25] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: coconut shell activated carbon is the best
[17:45:36] <r00t4rd3d> not really
[17:45:58] <ScribbleJ> I don't have any opinion on what's best, I just know bullshit when I see it. Heh!
[17:46:10] <r00t4rd3d> well, matters what you use it for.
[17:46:48] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: For air filteration that is the best quality you can get in pellet form. usually 20% higher that others
[17:47:44] <Jymmm> scand if you can, get it in 20-25 lb bags instead of 50 lb, much easier to deal with
[17:47:54] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: ^^^
[17:48:21] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: also, do NOT buy pre-washed, just wash it yourself.
[17:49:16] <ScribbleJ> I think I'm OK, actually. I live on 2 acres and my neighbors are unlikely to smell my acrylic.
[17:49:24] <ScribbleJ> And I'm not growing any cilantro. Or 'cilantro.'
[17:49:25] <ScribbleJ> Heh
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[17:50:18] <ReadError> ScribbleJ: hows your cat tunnels?
[17:50:51] <ScribbleJ> ReadError, in desperate need of an upgrade. I got my router running, which I wanted to use to make some improved cat tunnels. But I haven't really got it /useable/...
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[17:51:05] <ScribbleJ> In particular, I need to come up with some good way to clamp work to the bed (which is aluminum t-slot)
[17:51:24] <ReadError> get some of those clamps from a2z
[17:51:29] <ReadError> i need to get a few more actually
[17:51:32] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: if you ever do rubber/leather, you'll want a carbon filter, even on 10 acres. lingering stench of burning flesh is the best description
[17:51:41] <r00t4rd3d> ScribbleJ,
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:776
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[17:51:54] <r00t4rd3d> those work good,
[17:51:57] <ScribbleJ> Jymmm, actually, that's a fair point. I did some leather for a friend, and even though there wasn't much of it, the smell was pretty horrid.
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[17:53:48] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: are you setup in a garage or shop? If you use a carbon filter instead of venting outdoors, you can save on the heat the blower exhausts too
[17:53:57] <ScribbleJ> r00t4rd3d, nice... that's a good design I figure... not sure it'll fit my table, though I can definitely use the idea.
[17:53:59] <Jymmm> in the winter time
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[17:54:10] <ScribbleJ> Jymmm, just in my garage for now.
[17:54:39] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: a 600CFM blower can suck the heat out of the garage in no time =)
[17:55:32] <Jymmm> which can also fubar the final product due to thermal expansion
[17:57:08] <r00t4rd3d> ScribbleJ, there is 3 different size clamps in the DXF
[17:57:24] <Jymmm> Many will turn on their lasers 2+ hours in advance so it'll "trickle" heat the tube/PS to stabalize in winter time.
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[17:59:45] <ScribbleJ> r00t4rd3d, I guess I really meant the linked product with the bolt that you need to screw the clamp down. Pretty sure my aluminum slotted bed is not a standard 't track' size. It's made of 40mm extruded aluminum with that X shape, I dunno what you call it.
[18:00:01] <ScribbleJ> Er, I think 40? Maybe 20. I'd have to go look.
[18:00:02] <ScribbleJ> Heh
[18:00:36] <ScribbleJ> Jymmm, that's interesting. People who are good machinists go to some incredible lengths to make things perfect. I think I'll always be crippled by impatience.
[18:01:17] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: when you have a stack of pieces that dont align up, it makes a differnce =)
[18:01:45] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: nothing a simple plug in timer can't fix
[18:02:33] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: also, use orange hand cleaner (automotive) to get rid of some of that char on the cut wood pieces.
[18:03:23] <ScribbleJ> Oh yea? I will try that.
[18:03:36] <ScribbleJ> I've used a wet rag and it's not very effective.
[18:03:58] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: and GET A REAL BLOWER I see the smoke residue from not a big enough blower =)
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[18:04:29] <IchGuckLive> by have a nice day wherever you are !
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[18:05:25] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: or at least a bigger / stronger fan =)
[18:06:10] <ScribbleJ> Oh, yeah? I've defintiely had a residue problem. That's a good idea.
[18:06:59] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: is the fish your design?
[18:07:24] <ScribbleJ> No, some dude named M.C. Esher. Whoever he was.
[18:07:27] <ScribbleJ> :P
[18:07:53] <ScribbleJ> More seriously, I got the dxf from someone else. I can find a link if you want.
[18:07:56] <Jymmm> That's really neat. gotta steal that
[18:08:07] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: please
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[18:08:26] <ScribbleJ> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:20681
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[18:11:04] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: got em, thanks
[18:13:15] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: teh overall build/esign of a "cheap chinese laser" isn't all that bad at all.
[18:13:22] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: yours that is
[18:13:39] <Jymmm> and digital controls and no fucking dongle too!
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[18:14:09] <ScribbleJ> Yea, there's a lot to like about it. I think I got a pretty solid deal.
[18:14:45] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: the ONLY real thing I don't like, is the tube clamps are solid instead of padded with rubber/neoprene etc
[18:14:57] <Jymmm> at least from what I saw in the pics
[18:15:24] <ScribbleJ> Yeah, the tube clamps sort of suck, but someone (logxen maybe?) published a 3d printable replacement that is nice.
[18:16:18] <ScribbleJ> I just haven't seen a need to screw with them yet.
[18:16:19] <Jymmm> cool
[18:16:27] <Jymmm> yeah, I understand
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[18:24:19] * Jymmm lol @ ScribbleJ jeep mount - looks like a character from Space Invaders game
[18:24:41] <ScribbleJ> Jymmm, hey, you're right..!! haaa ... I never noticed that.
[18:24:43] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/20/SpaceInvaders-Gameplay.gif
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[18:27:13] <tjb1> dewalt is retarded
[18:29:14] <tjb1> The guard on a multi cutter broke so they want me to ship the entire saw out to have it fixed
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[18:29:48] <tjb1> or drive 60 miles one way to have it looked at by a "service center"
[18:29:59] <L84Supper> tjb1, maybe they just swap tools vs actually repair yours
[18:30:28] <archivist> or want to see how you abused/used it
[18:31:15] <tjb1> The part is $53
[18:31:23] <tjb1> They won't let me just ship the bad part in
[18:31:55] <tjb1> They will pay as much as the part cost to ship the thing...
[18:32:25] <Jymmm> tjb1: Call Corp offices and complain.
[18:32:41] <Jymmm> but be nice about it
[18:32:48] <tjb1> Gonna have to, I'm not shipping the whole saw to get a plastic guard replaced
[18:33:28] <tjb1> Well I have until January 3, 2013 to get it fixed
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[18:35:40] <archivist> there may be a fault that needs more work
[18:35:42] <tjb1> Jymm got it all cut today
[18:36:07] <tjb1> Its a bad design, its plastic guard with a piece of aluminum stuffed in it
[18:37:01] <archivist> what it mounts on may need upgrading too
[18:38:53] <tjb1> Saw was messed up when we got it from amazon
[18:39:24] <tjb1> The blade was so close to the slot in the table that you couldn't close it completely
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[18:49:20] <archivist> which reminds me a cheapo mitre saw fell out of a skip this evening, I need to play
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[18:52:19] <mrsun> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UtHh0pBxO4&feature=g-u-u brilliant, cooling and cleaning :P
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[18:55:41] <stochastic00> Has anybody here seen positional drift in LinuxCNC when probing, but only during probing? I've just filed a bug report, thought I'd see if anyone knows of a workaround.
[18:57:26] <skunkworks__> no
[18:57:31] <skunkworks__> I have probed a lot
[19:01:23] <stochastic00> Thanks... Details: during >20k probe points, I see drift of +-0.05 inch.
[19:01:53] <stochastic00> Using the stepper exerciser at
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/common/Stepper_Diagnostics.html#_step_timing , I see no drift.
[19:02:15] <tjb1> http://www.ti.com/ww/en/launchpad_site/stellaris.html?DCMP=stellaris-launchpad&HQS=stellaris-launchpad-b
[19:02:22] <jdh> do you have backlash compenstion on?
[19:02:46] <stochastic00> Modifiying the exerciser to probe in one direction instead of traverse, I see drift of 2 thou over 1000 iterations.
[19:02:56] <stochastic00> backlash compensation not on.
[19:03:18] <jdh> can you have asymmetrical lash?
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[19:03:31] <stochastic00> I think this pair of tests rules out steplen/stepspace/dirsetup timing issues,
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[19:04:06] <stochastic00> and also accel/velocity, electrical noise. Steppers are warm but not hot.
[19:04:40] <stochastic00> Measured backlash to within +/-0.001 inch.
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[19:05:06] <stochastic00> Also tested at low stepper speeds.
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[19:07:05] <stochastic00> Would asymmetrical lash result in cumulative drift of +-0.05 inch?
[19:07:31] <stochastic00> Anyway, thanks for the suggestions.
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[19:08:18] <jdh> dunno.
[19:14:03] <Connor> jdh: Got my internal threading bits in today.. along with a 1/4" t-slotter
[19:15:10] <jdh> cool. I need to find a piece of scrap to try my slot cutter
[19:15:54] <Connor> I think I'm going to mill out the new motor mount, Power draw bar supports and stuff this weekend.
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[19:29:34] <Connor> jdh: I think I may try to lay everything out in one job..
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[19:34:35] <jdh> all one thickness?
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[19:54:32] <Jymmm> HF 20 Ton Shop Press $170
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[19:59:15] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: and how much force it can REALLY exert before breaking apart?
[19:59:17] <Loetmichel> 2 tons?
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[20:11:18] <Connor> jdh: Yea. the motor mount could be made out of .375", but everything else is out of .5"
[20:11:41] <Connor> and I don't have anything large enough in .375" stock for the mount.. so.. it'll be made out of .5" too
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[20:39:43] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: 16 ounces at a time
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[20:42:23] <Jymmm> http://www.harborfreight.com/20-ton-shop-press-32879.html
[20:43:31] <Jymmm> http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_14133.jpg
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[21:22:12] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:30:17] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: I was going to tell you something but you left and I forgot =)
[21:33:53] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: So, remind me to tell you when I remember what I forgot to tell you.
[21:34:07] <ScribbleJ> I'll write myself a note.
[21:34:12] <ScribbleJ> :P
[21:34:33] <Jymmm> It was something significant too darnit
[21:34:56] * Jymmm mind is a terrible thing to waste!
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