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[00:00:17] <jp__> just wondering what kind of drive/servos they would of used?
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[00:13:13] <r00t4rd3d> JT-Shop, the Sheet Alignment, how is that different then offset?
[00:13:51] <r00t4rd3d> or does that just make it easier?
[00:15:16] <r00t4rd3d> i never installed my limit/home switches so i am constantly setting my own x,y 0
[00:18:04] <r00t4rd3d> so say i cut 2 of the same parts in the same material, i normally just unclamp the material, slide it forward, start.
[00:18:24] <r00t4rd3d> which is a giant pita
[00:18:31] <r00t4rd3d> for some stuff
[00:18:49] <ScribbleJ> Mmmm giant pita.
[00:19:11] <r00t4rd3d> p.i.t.a
[00:19:21] <r00t4rd3d> im not talking bread
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[00:38:13] <WillenCMD> root
[00:38:18] <r00t-Shed> yeah
[00:38:31] <WillenCMD> you can set your .ini for no homing upon start
[00:39:16] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[00:39:19] <WillenCMD> then before shut down send our machine to home and shut it off, i have observed what the normal movement is power on of stepper motor's and its usually less the .0002
[00:39:25] <WillenCMD> your*
[00:39:45] <r00t4rd3d> how do you send home?
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[00:40:06] <WillenCMD> G28 X0.Y0.Z0.
[00:40:36] <Tom_itx> but be careful
[00:40:41] <Tom_itx> i send z first
[00:40:46] <WillenCMD> tom is right
[00:40:47] <Tom_itx> because they all move at once
[00:41:00] <Tom_itx> not all machines do that but linuxcnc does
[00:41:08] <WillenCMD> its standard procedure to home z first on any cnc milling machine i have seen or ra
[00:41:49] <r00t-Shed> when you say G28 X0.Y0.Z0. , I have no clue
[00:41:56] <WillenCMD> i don't always follow this procedure especially if there is no tool in the machine and now work mounted on the table
[00:42:06] <WillenCMD> thats a Gcode command
[00:42:10] <WillenCMD> go to MDI
[00:42:20] <Valen> we have home sensors now after years of not having them
[00:42:21] <WillenCMD> type G28 Z0.
[00:42:22] <Tom_itx> you say G28 Z0
[00:42:28] <Valen> they are a bit of a meh really
[00:42:30] <Tom_itx> then G28 X0 Y0
[00:42:31] <WillenCMD> press enter
[00:42:47] <r00t-Shed> oh, ive never really looked in that tab
[00:42:52] <WillenCMD> lol
[00:43:12] <Valen> putting something back into the jig is going to be less accurate than lining up on it again generally so we just line up again
[00:43:12] <WillenCMD> i use mdi frequently
[00:43:28] <Valen> we have machined whole parts by typing gcode into mdi lol
[00:43:36] <r00t-Shed> umm cause i use inch, is it stll g28?
[00:43:42] <WillenCMD> yes
[00:43:43] <Tom_itx> yessir
[00:43:52] <Tom_itx> units takes care of inch/metric
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[00:44:30] <WillenCMD> the only difference in inch and metric is a math problem :)
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[00:45:00] <WillenCMD> doesn't matter what leadscrew you have what pitch it is or what the dial says on the handle, when its cnc it takes care of the math
[00:45:03] <r00t-Shed> sad part is i have 6 limit/home switches just sitting in a bag
[00:45:18] <WillenCMD> they can be a pain to find a location for
[00:46:02] <WillenCMD> i use the encoder index for home, and a proximity switch
[00:46:23] <r00t-Shed> yeah thats my issue , placement and wire management
[00:46:43] <WillenCMD> rapid back until i had the proximity sensor, slow the feed down untill the index mark comes around
[00:46:52] <WillenCMD> hit*
[00:48:43] <WillenCMD> thats the method i use on all the machines i design, but i also have a mechanical switch before the end of the travel, just in case the proximity sensor fails
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[00:49:07] <WillenCMD> if they both fail, well shit
[00:50:22] <WillenCMD> kidding, it remember's its location upon start up if it goes beyond 1 revolution of where home should be if the motor's didn't move on startup it will through an error also
[00:51:10] <WillenCMD> but if that fails i have a ball pit like those in the mcdonalds play ground that the table can fly off into
[00:51:21] <WillenCMD> so nothing gets damaged
[00:51:27] <WillenCMD> :)
[00:52:25] <WillenCMD> okay now to work on the hal IDE
[00:52:43] <r00t-Shed> couldnt those commands be done with hal and buttons?
[00:53:11] <r00t-Shed> Home Z , Home X, Home Y
[00:53:28] <jp__> yes
[00:53:53] <r00t-Shed> it seems like that feature should be included
[00:54:16] <jp__> it is via the wikki
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[01:04:40] <WillenCMD> hey tom
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[01:07:55] <jp__> Tom_itx: what are you using for a hotend on your printer?
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[01:51:41] <r00t4rd3d> Ive been through 3 logitech g700 mice in 2.5 years. Their most expensive model.
[01:52:31] <r00t4rd3d> All end up double clicking on a single click eventually.
[01:53:19] <Valen> replace the micro?
[01:53:49] <r00t4rd3d> i know how to fix them and i do after they send me a replacement
[01:53:57] <Valen> lol
[01:54:56] <r00t4rd3d> its a pain in the cock though
[01:55:18] <Valen> i've had an acer wireless mouse for like 3 years
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[01:56:09] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=594646
[01:56:15] <r00t4rd3d> thats how you fix them
[01:56:27] <r00t4rd3d> check out the tiny ass piece of metal they rely on
[01:57:12] <r00t4rd3d> its a bitch putting that little metal piece back in the switch after you flatten it out some.
[01:57:18] <Tom_itx> jp__
[01:57:47] <jp__> Yo
[01:57:54] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/reprap/nozzle10.jpg
[01:58:12] <Tom_itx> that
[01:58:17] <jp__> ah j-head
[01:58:27] <Tom_itx> no, one i made
[01:58:43] <jp__> Cool im making one too
[01:58:48] <Valen> I would just replace the microswitch as a unit
[01:59:24] <Tom_itx> jp__, you saw the rollers?
[01:59:24] <jp__> https://picasaweb.google.com/103502607515689372041/LinuxcncStuff#5777479768727972658
[01:59:29] <jp__> yep
[01:59:49] <jp__> https://picasaweb.google.com/103502607515689372041/LinuxcncStuff#5777475835253756946
[02:00:39] <Tom_itx> i'm just makin parts right now
[02:00:44] <Tom_itx> no rush to get it done
[02:01:55] <jp__> im just working on my final hotend design
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[02:02:12] <jp__> just made 3 blanks in the mill
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[02:04:32] <jp__> Tom_itx: what size of filament r u planning on using?
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[02:22:53] <Tom_itx> 3mm probably
[02:23:35] <jp__> Direct drive extruder?
[02:23:50] <Tom_itx> yeah
[02:23:57] <jp__> nema 17?
[02:24:03] <Tom_itx> probably
[02:24:30] <jp__> I bought a nema 17 from makerbot and was less than impressed
[02:24:56] <Tom_itx> if it doesn't work i'll gear it
[02:25:05] <jp__> direct drive extruders require a bit more torque
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[02:25:41] <jp__> I dont know how they are using them unless my expectations are too high
[02:25:42] <Tom_itx> less overall friction though
[02:26:02] <jp__> yes im doing direct drive as well but with a nema 23
[02:26:16] <Tom_itx> http://brainspl.at/mm-pro-xcar-xstrudah/index.html
[02:26:20] <Tom_itx> did you see that one?
[02:26:28] <Tom_itx> there's another one i'm looking at too
[02:26:34] <Tom_itx> i'll make my own
[02:26:38] <jp__> with the nema 23 i could extrude at 60 ipm measured on the cold side
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[02:28:23] <jp__> i probably figure out what that means on the hot side as thats probably more than enough
[02:30:34] <jp__> How long of a melt zone did you use? im playing around with about .750" right now.
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[02:40:24] <r00t4rd3d> man this book No Easy Day is pretty good
[02:40:34] <r00t4rd3d> im not much of a book reader either
[02:41:51] <r00t4rd3d> the killing of Osama
[02:42:30] <r00t4rd3d> i like how kenya lied his ass off on how it actually went down
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[02:47:13] <r00t4rd3d> https://cdn.anonfiles.com/1346800692330.pdf
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[03:07:36] <r00t4rd3d> hmm a female cia analyst is the one who tracked osama to abbotabad
[03:08:04] <r00t4rd3d> Before we left, the CIA analyst who
[03:08:04] <r00t4rd3d> was the main force behind tracking the target
[03:08:04] <r00t4rd3d> to Abbottabad said she was one hundred
[03:08:04] <r00t4rd3d> percent certain he was there.
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[03:16:03] <Valen> where would i get a set of bevel gears with an OD of around 6mm or less?
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[05:18:06] <r00t4rd3d> homo
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[05:39:12] <Jymmm> mhaberler: is guest you?
[05:39:40] <mhaberler> guest? where?
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[05:40:09] <mhaberler> nope
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[05:40:22] <Jymmm> Ok, been bouncing for hours
[05:40:35] <archivist> cox is your side of the pond Jymmm
[05:40:45] <mhaberler> ah, I see the connection.. somebody else is piano player today
[05:41:02] <archivist> I think he is a noob on wifi
[05:41:22] <archivist> he asked real questions on arrival
[05:41:25] <r00t4rd3d> you can hide join/part notices
[05:41:39] <Jymmm> guest45674t: Your connection has been bouncing for hours. Please fix it and change your nick to get back into the channel. Thanks!
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[05:58:44] <ScribbleJ> http://i.imgur.com/hlVMa.jpg
[06:01:08] <Jymmm> I wish there was a Torroids-R-Us locally =)
[06:01:34] <Jymmm> or web with everyday free shipping!
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[06:58:09] <Connor> Anyone still awake ?
[07:02:10] <psha[work]> good morning :]
[07:13:05] <Jymmm> I'm wonderinf if this is a good idea or not... I have a 15W soar blanket/panel (
http://www.affordable-solar.com/store/archive-portable-solar-panels/unisolar-uni-pac15-15-watt-foldable-flexible-solar-panel) and I'm thinking of feeding it into step up booster (
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-DC-100W-3-35V-to-3-5-35V-Boost-Step-up-Module-Power-Supply-LED-Voltmeter-/170905602162?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27cac48872) to charge these batteries I
[07:13:05] <Jymmm> just got (
http://www.gearxs.com/HYPE-Universal-External-Netbook-Notebook-Battery?keyword=hy-2021-lb)
[07:13:48] <Jymmm> The idea is to still have enough juice even at sunset to not start a new charge cycle on the batteries
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[08:48:22] <DJ9DJ> moin
[08:58:12] <Jymmm> ug
[08:58:23] <Jymmm> DJ9DJ: you're way late today =)
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[09:01:29] <DJ9DJ> indeed :D
[09:01:32] <DJ9DJ> hi Jymmm
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[12:45:13] <MrTrick_> evening, #emc
[12:45:59] <MrTrick_> I'm wondering - if I have a program that dynamically generates G-code, can I programmatically run EMC2?
[12:50:58] <MrTrick_> Also, can EMC2 work with the EiBotBoard? (USB serial interface, takes commands in the form "MC,dt,Xpos,Ypos\n" instead of needing step signals)
[12:55:18] <micges> hi MrTrick_
[12:56:05] <micges> no linuxcnc don't send any serial commands instead of pulses
[12:56:39] <MrTrick_> damn.
[12:56:43] <micges> but you can always write this part of code
[12:56:56] <MrTrick_> What about a program (java, say) making EMC2 jump?
[12:58:04] <micges> starting emc is simply issuing 'emc path/to/ini'
[12:58:20] <micges> if you can do this in your program then you can start emc
[12:58:40] <MrTrick_> and being able to generate some g-code and feed it to emc?
[13:00:40] <micges> after axis starts you can use axis-remote to remotely load gcode file
[13:00:41] <micges> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/axis.html#_axis_remote
[13:01:24] <MrTrick_> ah, interesting.
[13:01:44] * MrTrick_ contemplates whether to build his own motion controller
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[13:03:48] <MrTrick_> micges: It's for a plotter that operates continuously and automatically, for about two weeks straight.
[13:04:06] <MrTrick_> and then will be retired.
[13:05:02] <micges> why can't you use emc2 step/dir?
[13:06:44] <MrTrick_> well, my main concern is not knowing how difficult it's going to be integrating the rest of the program with emc.
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[13:13:12] <MrTrick_> and emc2 step/dir is a parallel-port thing only, and I'm not sure whether the other software that has to interact with this program is windows-only.
[13:17:21] <micges> what is the 'other software'?
[13:18:07] <MrTrick_> something someone else is writing. ^_^
[13:18:30] <MrTrick_> basically, my domain is 'accept line of text, render and plot'
[13:20:28] <micges> if this 'other' is windows program then you could have problem to use emc2
[13:23:41] <MrTrick_> well yes. That's why I'm tempted to abandon emc2 and write my own motion control code.
[13:23:58] <MrTrick_> The robot is a fairly simple 2.5D plotter.
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[13:47:08] <r00t4rd3d> emc has been renamed to LinuxCNC
[13:47:25] <r00t4rd3d> incase you missed that
[13:48:22] <MrTrick_> yes. yes it has. ^_^
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[15:01:27] <r00t4rd3d> just tore my z axis apart, noticed it had a 1/16 of play develop some how
[15:02:38] <r00t4rd3d> well i think i know how, i crashed it slightly about a week ago
[15:04:38] <r00t4rd3d> i was trying a 0.025 engraving and I kept getting different depth results
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[15:27:28] <Dolence> hi! :D
[15:28:47] <Dolence> please, anyone could give some info regarding linuxcnc and touchscreen lcd? thanks in advance
[15:31:31] <r00t4rd3d> sounds like an accident waiting to happen
[15:32:47] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/linuxcnc_formerly_emc2/92072-new_gui_touchscreen_no_keyboard.html
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[15:36:20] <r00t4rd3d> seems like you want to use the Touchy gui
[15:36:47] <r00t4rd3d> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/touchy.html
[15:37:22] <r00t4rd3d> Dolence, ^^
[15:51:40] <Dolence> r00t4rd3d i managed to load touchy, but I dont understand it very well
[15:52:20] <Dolence> I don't know how to load jobs to it
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[15:55:06] <r00t4rd3d> cradek would be the one to ask probably
[15:55:45] <r00t4rd3d> I dont see many people talking about Touchy
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[15:56:56] <r00t4rd3d> or i guess skunkworks has screwed with it too
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[15:57:32] <skunkworks> very little
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[15:58:58] <r00t4rd3d> yeah googling i just seen you mention it
[15:59:02] <tjb1> Anyone know a cheap place to get an 8mm reamer
[15:59:04] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[15:59:38] <Dolence> skunkworks could you tell me how i'm suposed to load files and start a job with touchy? I'm pretty new to all this CNC world
[16:00:28] <skunkworks> well - you do need a certain amount of hardware for it... (like a cycle start button)
[16:01:12] <skunkworks> Dolence, start here...
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/gui/touchy.html
[16:02:02] <archivist> tjb1, what was/is J&L tools? depends what you mean by cheap
http://www.mscdirect.co.uk/CGI/INSRCH?ns=1&oldNtt=reamer&oldNtk=Keyword+Search&oldURLVar=0921088682895D257DF964A91AA36184EBD8220AD3A8D040C362C546B92F4A16817816ADCE0ACF80247A85C925C9DA74EB99B36CEDBF6E537ED4BADC1D20953AF1376073548A1662FD0790ACE588A64ACBB604A9E32DCCEB03589A22949E39721959292B97CB1F236FFAB1C2ED0694C33068B9D01A98B39C4369F5D72F6CC04C620FB8FA32045C77F41D
[16:02:02] <archivist> 47410E7C0B412943AD2816C716718B702C6CF94BB9DE138541D5AE233F6918A55FB5E391DA4A12C691FB2AF0CC2CD928985CBCD71D2A7F134C35FED76B5E27273796687CF5FD5C5B97AA4A483295DD65D2858EFB9BE009C43D86FE8EA5A634D496313316F42A39780A4DA59F14E85C80597CB5037A24&scrNtt=reamer+8mm&x=0&y=0&Ntk=Keyword+Search
[16:02:32] <archivist> wonderful link :)
[16:02:44] <tjb1> like $10 range
[16:04:08] <archivist> ebay
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[16:04:33] <tjb1> that I can get before the end of next week lol
[16:04:43] <Dolence> I dont get it... I have to attach hardware buttons to have a fully functional touchscreen interface? I mean, it's suposed to be touchscreen...
[16:05:12] <Dolence> i think i will stick to Axis
[16:05:20] <tjb1> Dolence: "Touchy is a user interface for LinuxCNC meant for use on machine control panels, and therefore does not require keyboard or mouse.
[16:05:21] <tjb1> It is meant to be used with a touch screen, and works in combination with a wheel/MPG and a few buttons and switches."
[16:05:55] <tjb1> 3 buttons and a wheel required
[16:06:44] <Connor> How big a deal is it to have a motor pulley slightly over-bored? shaft is 17mm, the pulley is 17.17mm
[16:06:47] <archivist> getting touch screens working can be entertaining
[16:06:52] <Dolence> now I understood, thank you tjb1
[16:07:06] <Dolence> actyually I have Elo touch working flawlessly
[16:07:18] <Dolence> *actually
[16:07:40] <Dolence> but the idea of having buttons to complement a touchscreen interface sounds not logic to me
[16:07:42] <archivist> Connor, adjustable reamer
[16:08:02] <Connor> archivist: Yet another tool I don't have.. and little too late..
[16:08:24] <archivist> reamer is less than a lathe :)
[16:09:05] <Connor> I used the lathe. :(
[16:09:26] <Connor> and miss calculate or something.. I'm .17mm too large
[16:09:32] <archivist> and got it undersized?
[16:09:49] <Connor> No. Shaft is 17mm, pulley hole is 17.17mm
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[16:10:07] <Connor> I slightly over-bored it by .17mm
[16:10:14] <archivist> cockup will be a bit out of balance
[16:10:29] <Connor> cockup ?
[16:11:21] <tjb1> One instructor told me to grind a O drill down a thousands and ream with it
[16:11:30] <archivist> http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/cock-up.html
[16:11:35] <tjb1> Try that before I blow $30 on a reamer
[16:12:10] <r00t4rd3d> goto a heating place that sells furnaces and get a orifice reaming kit
[16:12:47] <archivist> I better hide my reamers
[16:12:55] <Connor> archivist: So, it might be a tad out of balance.. I spun it up with the motor last night.. couldn't really fill anything except a super low speeds
[16:13:48] <r00t4rd3d> they sell adjustable orifice reamers too
[16:14:02] <Connor> other option is to swap my pulleys out.. they're basically the same. Both need to be bored out.. this one had 2 set screws in the boss, which is needed for the motor.. the other had no set screws in any of it..
[16:14:06] <syyl_ws> ever hit the actual size with an adjustable reamer? :D
[16:14:07] <syyl_ws> me not
[16:14:32] <archivist> I have hit size, boring though
[16:14:36] <syyl_ws> "ok a bit more"..."and a bit more..".."once more"..."damn, to big"
[16:14:55] * syyl_ws pulls his hat
[16:15:09] * r00t4rd3d tugs his reamer
[16:15:11] <syyl_ws> i prefer a boring head/boring bar...or a fixed size reamer
[16:15:21] <archivist> depends on ones definition of size :)
[16:15:23] <Connor> Well, in my defense.. I'm use to using the mini-lathe in inches.. but.. tried this in metric since the hand-wheel has both marks.
[16:15:33] <Connor> I just think I miss counted or something.
[16:15:33] * syyl_ws hugs his reamer-kit
[16:15:45] <syyl_ws> 1 up to 18mm :D
[16:16:07] <Connor> How's that going to help ?
[16:16:20] <archivist> I has adjustable set 1/2" to 1 1/4" plus others
[16:16:37] <syyl_ws> for a dirty rescue
[16:16:45] <syyl_ws> you can wrap the shaft with shim stock..
[16:16:47] <r00t4rd3d> get a fat sewing needle
[16:16:47] <Connor> oh, you have 1 up to 18mm.. I was thinking you were saying up the size to 18mm..
[16:16:49] <archivist> Connor, or over bore some more and sleeve
[16:17:08] <r00t4rd3d> use your penis
[16:17:16] <Connor> r00t4rd3d: Grow up.
[16:17:21] <r00t4rd3d> Nope/
[16:17:23] * archivist admits to the shim fix a few times
[16:17:36] <syyl_ws> or weld the bore up und remachine ;)
[16:17:49] <syyl_ws> or put a few massive centre punch marks on the shaft..
[16:17:51] <Connor> It's aluminum.. and I don't have a welder.
[16:17:57] * syyl_ws runs away
[16:18:19] <Connor> piece of paper or tape would be thick enough for a shim..
[16:18:26] <Connor> not sure how long it would last..
[16:18:31] <archivist> knurl the shaft
[16:18:49] <syyl_ws> 0.17 more diameter by knurling?
[16:18:57] <Connor> .17MM
[16:19:05] <Connor> That's what .007"
[16:19:17] <syyl_ws> dont know, i am metric :D
[16:19:19] <Connor> so, .0045" on either side..
[16:19:40] <archivist> it would be brutal knurling :)
[16:20:00] <syyl_ws> common technique
[16:20:09] <syyl_ws> "we enlage the shaft by brutal knurling.."
[16:20:12] <syyl_ws> ;)
[16:20:27] <syyl_ws> hmm
[16:20:35] <Connor> wait.. math wrong. .0035"
[16:20:59] <syyl_ws> best way would be to bore the pulley out
[16:21:09] <syyl_ws> and glue/shrink/pressfit a sleeve
[16:22:37] <Connor> or, swap the pulleys out.. only diff between them is like I said.. one has the set screws in the Boss of the pulley, the other has no set screws at all. I over-bored the one with the set screws. The other has to be bored out way larger that 17mm
[16:22:39] <archivist> at the last job we did the knurling trick in production for clock winding keys
[16:23:50] <archivist> you could taper bore in the pulley and make a taper adjustable bush with pulling in device
[16:24:03] <archivist> works rather well
[16:24:59] <syyl_ws> very elegant solution :)
[16:26:16] <archivist> very good grip on the shaft too, far better than grub screws
[16:28:35] <tjb1> Might grab one off amazon
[16:28:42] <tjb1> $22 and $4 to get it here tomorrow
[16:28:59] <Connor> grab what ?
[16:29:13] <tjb1> reamre
[16:29:15] <tjb1> reamer
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[16:35:08] <Dolence> ayone using gscreen as UI?
[16:36:48] <tjb1> Im thinking grinding this O drill will work
[16:36:52] <tjb1> Its already 7.99mm
[16:37:12] <tjb1> knock a tad off and good to go
[16:37:29] <Connor> tjb1: What are you trying to do ?
[16:37:39] <tjb1> make an 8mm hole for a dowel pin
[16:38:04] <Connor> ah.
[16:38:23] <Connor> could polish the dowel pin down.
[16:39:49] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, get a sewing needle
[16:40:27] <tjb1> Guess I should wait until I have the dowel pin
[16:40:35] <tjb1> Whats a sewing needle going to do?
[16:40:50] <r00t4rd3d> act as a reamer
[16:41:18] <r00t4rd3d> or cut the head off a finish nail
[16:41:27] <r00t4rd3d> put it in a drill
[16:41:37] <tjb1> Where am I going to get an 8mm needle?
[16:41:49] <tjb1> That probably cost as much as the reamer
[16:42:02] <r00t4rd3d> they make fat ones, try joanne fabrics
[16:42:16] <tjb1> 8mm is .315"
[16:42:20] <tjb1> Thats pretty fat
[16:42:27] <r00t4rd3d> they make them for yard and stuff
[16:42:30] <r00t4rd3d> yarn*
[16:42:58] <r00t4rd3d> or just buy an 8mm drill bit
[16:43:06] <Connor> 8mm drill won't work.
[16:43:10] <Connor> it'll be oversized.
[16:43:18] <r00t4rd3d> so a 6mm
[16:43:28] <Connor> He's already at 7.99mm
[16:43:40] <tjb1> Im gonna grind this drill bit and keep checking it in a scrap
[16:43:56] <Connor> tjb1: Could chill the pin in Freezer.. :)
[16:44:19] <tjb1> Only reamer we have is 5/16
[16:44:26] <tjb1> can I get it down to that? :P
[16:45:06] <Connor> I bet you can.. that's VERY small amount.
[16:45:20] <tjb1> 2.5 thousandths
[16:45:38] <tjb1> That would work nicely
[16:46:02] <Connor> 0.000393701"
[16:46:12] <tjb1> ?
[16:46:14] <Connor> 7.99 from 8 is .01mm which is 0.000393701
[16:46:17] <Connor> in inches
[16:46:21] <tjb1> I dont have a 7.99mm hole
[16:46:29] <Connor> Oh, I thought you said you did.
[16:46:36] <tjb1> I have a drill that measures 7.99 with a caliper
[16:46:43] <Connor> Oh.
[16:46:46] <tjb1> I can make a hole .3125
[16:47:14] <cradek> you can't measure .01mm with a caliper!
[16:47:38] <tjb1> Thats what it says, I would use my mic but I would have to convert :P
[16:48:07] <cradek> are you going for a tight or loose fit for your dowel pin?
[16:48:16] <tjb1> press
[16:48:23] <tjb1> or freeze and expand
[16:48:36] <Connor> Well.. drill bit @ 7.99mm will drill out larger..
[16:48:36] <cradek> ah then if you drill with that 7.99 drill the dowel will fall through :-)
[16:49:21] <tjb1> drill bit is .3143
[16:49:40] <tjb1> which is 7.98322mm
[16:49:53] <cradek> yeah still too big
[16:50:10] <tjb1> im gonna put it in a surface grinder and take some off
[16:50:12] <cradek> if you want a press fit you need a round hole anyway - no drill will give you one
[16:50:24] <tjb1> its just to hold a bearing
[16:51:01] <tjb1> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/images/Extended%20Linear%20Carriage%20ABEC%207.jpg
[16:51:05] <tjb1> the 2 bearings inside the block
[16:51:42] <cradek> if the bearing ID is 8mm an 8mm DP won't go in easily
[16:52:56] <tjb1> it may be a 5/16 dowel
[16:54:28] <tjb1> I may just use a 5/16
[16:54:35] <tjb1> its not THAT important.
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[17:01:17] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
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[17:03:03] <Dolence> please, how do you guys convert dxf/dwg to cnc script? I saw some python script, but I think linuxcnc already have something like this...
[17:03:20] <IchGuckLive> Heekscad
[17:04:04] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEBXlJj45rE
[17:04:17] <IchGuckLive> DXF is from ?
[17:04:22] <Dolence> ty, from Corel
[17:04:39] <IchGuckLive> why not from librecad or Qcad its all free
[17:05:16] <IchGuckLive> is it a simple 3Axis
[17:05:35] <Dolence> because I'm using linux only on CNC machine
[17:05:43] <IchGuckLive> ah ok
[17:05:53] <IchGuckLive> Heekscad is also on Windows
[17:06:07] <IchGuckLive> look at my tutorials
[17:06:17] <IchGuckLive> is it a Mill or ?
[17:06:18] <Dolence> I will try it right now!
[17:06:23] <Connor> Dolence: What your talking about is CAM. Most of the time CAM is done on the same machine that you do the CAD work on.
[17:06:43] <Connor> not, on the CNC controller.
[17:06:51] <IchGuckLive> Connor No Cad = no CAM
[17:06:55] <Dolence> hmmm, and them I send the already covnerted file to CNC
[17:07:03] <IchGuckLive> yes
[17:07:25] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: ? mashine type
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[17:07:31] <Connor> dxf/dwg is cad.
[17:07:46] <IchGuckLive> Yes
[17:07:57] <Dolence> cnc router
[17:08:13] <Connor> Dolence: Did you CAD out your drawings ?
[17:08:19] <IchGuckLive> Depending on mashine type you need Diferent CAM or Postprozessors
[17:08:22] <Dolence> wait, my english isnt that good and i'm sorry for that, let me explain
[17:08:37] <IchGuckLive> Where Are You from
[17:08:59] <Dolence> from Brasil
[17:09:00] <IchGuckLive> Europ ,Asia
[17:09:04] <Dolence> south america
[17:09:08] <IchGuckLive> oh Portugise
[17:09:11] <Dolence> yeah
[17:09:34] <IchGuckLive> so why on Linuxcnc not on MACH3 iff you are a Windows Man
[17:09:48] <jdh> c'mon, that was uncalled for.
[17:10:02] <Dolence> me and my uncle work together, doing some "inventions" like filling machines, etc
[17:10:17] <Dolence> I have to bea linux man to use linux os?
[17:10:18] <IchGuckLive> ok
[17:10:39] <Dolence> on my house i am using Mac OS X, linux (NAS and XBMC media center) and windows on my work
[17:10:45] <IchGuckLive> no Corel is windows GIMP is Linux
[17:10:59] <Dolence> I'm supposed to be a linux xiita?
[17:11:00] <IchGuckLive> Gimp is also on Windows available
[17:11:12] <Dolence> yeah, but i'm used to corel
[17:11:24] <IchGuckLive> Try Qcad
[17:11:32] <IchGuckLive> or Librecad
[17:11:41] <Connor> and for CAMing use CamBam.
[17:11:43] <ktchk> corel in linux is inkscape
[17:11:45] <IchGuckLive> You will be impressed
[17:11:46] <Dolence> i dotn like to use gimp, i'm not saying its bad, i'm just used to photoshop and corel
[17:12:06] <Dolence> ok, let me explain the scenario
[17:12:08] <Connor> CamBam is Windows, but can be used in a virtual machine.
[17:12:09] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: O.O B)
[17:12:48] <Dolence> a friend of mine give a cnc router to us (whats the difference between mill and router?)
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[17:13:10] <IchGuckLive> Dolence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b72n-3T5klA
[17:13:10] <Dolence> but it was using an old Pentiun 233 with dos software
[17:13:18] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: yes ?
[17:13:33] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: you got it wright
[17:13:48] <Dolence> I saw linuxcnc and it's seens to be a nice replacement to modernize my machine
[17:14:25] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: o for linuxman
[17:14:30] <Dolence> so, I installed it on a new computer + elo touchscreen lcd
[17:14:53] <Dolence> so far, so good
[17:15:03] <IchGuckLive> Now you got the 2OS system
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[17:15:13] <Connor> Dolence: Use whatever you want o make you dxf/dwg file. Load into CamBam and convert to g-code. It's kinda like a CAD program.. but lets you specify machine operations.. then save out g-code file and take to cnc router.
[17:15:28] <Dolence> Connor ty very much
[17:15:29] <IchGuckLive> so Why if i Stay CADCAM Windows i use Windows CNC
[17:15:50] <syyl> because mach3 is crap?
[17:15:56] <jdh> because mach3 is not as good as linuxcnc, while windows cam stuff is much better than on linux?
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[17:16:10] <Dolence> we are using windows on our 2 desktop computers, linux only on cnc dedicated coputer
[17:16:11] <IchGuckLive> syyl agree but for simple things ok
[17:16:32] <Connor> Yup. I use Inventor for CAD, CamBam for CAM and LinuxCNC for the controller.
[17:16:55] <Dolence> autodesk inventor?
[17:16:57] <IchGuckLive> is Cambam only for windows Connor
[17:16:59] <Connor> forget about thinking of the CNC machine as a OS. It's a controller.. There for, I don't load any CAM/CAD packages on it.
[17:17:05] <Connor> Dolence: Yes.
[17:17:09] <archivist> insiderearofskull for cam no need for windows
[17:17:22] <syyl> you dont run a cad/cam system on your siemens or fanuc controll either, dont you?
[17:17:37] <Dolence> if i had one, no
[17:17:39] <Dolence> lol
[17:17:41] <syyl> at least, i dont ;)
[17:17:55] <IchGuckLive> we all do most 2 Systems
[17:17:58] <Dolence> ok, now i get it
[17:18:01] * skunkworks surfs and plays youtube videos on the K&T
[17:18:08] <Dolence> lol
[17:18:21] <syyl> that machine is big enough to live in/on it..
[17:18:22] <syyl> ;)
[17:18:28] <skunkworks> while machining
[17:18:37] <Dolence> my machine is pretty simple and small
[17:18:50] <IchGuckLive> skunkworks: i uploded today 2 more on modifikation the Post to your own nedds on Heekscad
[17:19:08] <Dolence> 100 cm x 60 cm +- workiing area
[17:19:22] <IchGuckLive> Nice Size
[17:19:25] <Connor> Dolence: Use your workstation to CAD and CAM.. Then Sneaker net via Thumb drive or setup a file share so your CNC control machine can access the file and life is good. :)
[17:20:01] <IchGuckLive> <- agrees to connor
[17:20:27] <Connor> Besides, I wouldn't even try to CAD or CAM on the CNC machine... It's just a Atom.. Not much power to run those kinds of things.
[17:20:34] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: what is the main goal Wood Carbon ?
[17:20:46] <Connor> Though, It does suck to have to run into the office from the shop to make a small change to something..
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[17:20:59] <skunkworks> I really should play with heeks
[17:21:12] <syyl> heekscam?
[17:21:18] <skunkworks> right
[17:21:19] <Connor> I've found myself editing the gcode file on the CNC to change stuff like spindle speed, or clearance heights etc..
[17:21:22] <IchGuckLive> heekscnc
[17:21:34] <syyl> last time i tried it, it was like putting little needles under my fingernails..
[17:21:45] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: heekscad in github is changing do you knonw when will be the new version comeing?
[17:21:59] <syyl> (in other terms, "not to happy with it")
[17:22:02] <skunkworks> right now - most of my flow is Autocad -> Ace converter -> edit gcode
[17:22:12] <Dolence> omg, you guys talk a lot
[17:22:12] <IchGuckLive> we got problems with the 22 version to get it on linux
[17:22:31] <jdh> most of mine is draftsight->cut2d->linuxcnc, no editing required
[17:22:34] <Dolence> IchGuckLive main goal is cutting plastic/mdf
[17:23:03] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: engraving or real 3D milling
[17:23:04] <Dolence> PEAD / MDF / BRASS
[17:23:15] <Dolence> real 3 d milling
[17:23:22] <IchGuckLive> ok
[17:23:42] <Connor> 3D or 2.5D ?
[17:23:46] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: did you look onto my videos
[17:23:57] <Connor> Big diff.
[17:24:14] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: its only a workflow
[17:24:36] <Dolence> i am looking at it right now
[17:24:45] <Dolence> doing lots of things at same time, phew!
[17:24:57] <Dolence> i am taking a pic of my machine to show
[17:25:02] <Dolence> just a sec, hold on
[17:25:04] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: we will answer 24/7 you needs
[17:25:33] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: The mashine is not the prob the DXF is better
[17:26:20] <Dolence> ty very much, I really appreciate all your support guys
[17:26:41] <IchGuckLive> Thats Why the Channel is here B)
[17:26:41] <ktchk> IchGuckLive:heekscad in github is changing do you knonw when will be the new version comeing?
[17:26:55] <IchGuckLive> 21 is out to CNC
[17:27:06] <ktchk> 21?
[17:27:07] <IchGuckLive> 22 main is not working on ubuntu
[17:27:40] <IchGuckLive> we try to fix this but DAN is of to the USA for 3weeks
[17:27:41] <ktchk> github ?
[17:27:50] <IchGuckLive> yes github
[17:28:04] <ktchk> thanks
[17:28:24] <IchGuckLive> the changes are all to REPRAP
[17:28:46] <ktchk> what about zigzag and waterline
[17:29:00] <IchGuckLive> working since 18
[17:29:21] <ktchk> no they took them off
[17:30:09] <Dolence> IchGuckLive
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/80978089/rotul2.dxf
[17:30:43] <ktchk> counterbore lso
[17:31:01] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3m5Liw8LVY ktchk From this week
[17:34:01] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: Yesterday I gitclone heekscad heekscnc complied it and found them missing
[17:35:26] <IchGuckLive> the icons ?
[17:35:37] <IchGuckLive> there are in the mashine Menue
[17:36:17] <ktchk> let me bootup the new machine
[17:36:42] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: there are 4 layers in BAD
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[17:38:04] <Dolence> in the past, the guy who was making the cuts was correcting this small things to me, now I will have to learn
[17:38:49] <IchGuckLive> i got it
[17:42:14] <Dolence> now I feel the lack of fluence in english
[17:42:50] <IchGuckLive> its good ewnoph
[17:44:34] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: hat currr
[17:44:52] <IchGuckLive> and CRC in use or only outline fix ofset
[17:46:44] <Dolence> hat currr?
[17:47:34] <IchGuckLive> CRC means the mashie can correct the offset G$!/42 you need to set the Toldiameter your own
[17:47:45] <IchGuckLive> G41
[17:48:13] <IchGuckLive> Fix means you got a 5mm cutter and we say mill at a 2.5mm distance to the part
[17:50:18] <Dolence> ok
[17:52:28] <Dolence> I'm on final stage of redoing eletric wiring and so, after that I will put the machine to work :D
[17:52:43] <Dolence> thank you very much IchGuckLive, thanks you guys!
[17:52:59] <Dolence> now i just need some practice :D
[17:53:51] <IchGuckLive> is this for lasercut
[17:54:15] <Dolence> not laser
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[17:56:14] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: I confirm that zigzag waterline and counterbore was out
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[17:57:45] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: the icon or in mashine menue
[17:57:52] <ktchk> both
[18:00:46] <IchGuckLive> in 3D operation no waterline
[18:01:27] <ktchk> my old heekscnc 0.18 have waterline
[18:03:59] <Dolence> whats the diff between milling x routing?
[18:04:10] <Dolence> milling machine and routing machine? seens the same to me...
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[18:04:56] <IchGuckLive> milling is a better then a router
[18:05:09] <IchGuckLive> Milling are most Servos router steppers
[18:05:22] <jdh> routers are better if you need routing
[18:05:29] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: i got the last now compiled and its there
[18:05:41] <ktchk> when
[18:05:58] <ktchk> now?
[18:05:59] <jdh> servo/stepper has nothing to do with being a mill or a router
[18:07:43] <Dolence> my machine have a stationary tool, and table moves
[18:07:55] <Dolence> 3 axis
[18:08:30] <Dolence> I'm not sure if it's a mill or router
[18:08:43] <jdh> what would you like to call it.
[18:09:05] <Dolence> just machine is ok?
[18:09:27] <Dolence> HAL is a good one too
[18:09:29] <jdh> You could call it Carmen.
[18:09:41] <IchGuckLive> ktchk:
http://mechmo.de/heeks_21.png
[18:09:42] <Dolence> no, for god sake, Carmen no!
[18:10:11] <Dolence> Carmen = too much headache
[18:10:18] <Dolence> to me
[18:10:21] <Dolence> at least
[18:10:56] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: its not a plecent to get a menue shot
[18:11:52] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: are this circles not holes they are sqate in shape
[18:12:34] <Dolence> they are suposed to be holes
[18:13:45] <IchGuckLive> THIS is Realy bad CAD if never seen sutch miss n my live on CADCAM as i work now 35 Years on
[18:15:06] <Dolence> hahahahaha
[18:15:55] <IchGuckLive> ther are mainly 3-4 overlays on etch line
[18:16:02] <IchGuckLive> same layer
[18:16:12] <Dolence> we are just 2 hobbists, I'm really sorry for that
[18:16:39] <IchGuckLive> let me try a powerscript
[18:18:06] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: the 18 works perfect no change needet as REPrap only
[18:18:20] <Dolence> is reprap that 3d printer?
[18:19:18] <IchGuckLive> yes
[18:21:27] <Dolence> looks awesome
[18:21:36] <IchGuckLive> What
[18:21:43] <Dolence> reprap
[18:22:01] <Dolence> seens to be so cool
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[18:32:48] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: no the masterscript coudt not handle the file proper
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[18:36:41] <Dolence> IchGuckLive np, ty anyway, i will do some experiments later
[18:36:45] <Dolence> ty IchGuckLive
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[18:46:19] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: i mayd it
[18:49:06] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: your cutter 5mm ?
[18:50:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulstoffregen/teensy-30-32-bit-arm-cortex-m4-usable-in-arduino-a
[18:51:00] <r00t4rd3d> Teensy 3.0
[18:52:21] <r00t4rd3d> i wonder how well that would work with CNC
[18:55:32] <r00t4rd3d> jepler
[18:55:45] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: still here ?
[18:56:55] <Dolence> yes
[18:56:59] <Dolence> i'am here
[18:57:14] <IchGuckLive> i will do a screenshot
[18:57:17] <Dolence> IchGuckLive you build a reprap ou you designed it?
[18:57:23] <Dolence> ok
[18:58:26] <IchGuckLive> im no 3D
[18:58:42] <IchGuckLive> your DXF to G-code
[18:59:21] <IchGuckLive> http://mechmo.de/dolence_g.png
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[19:00:05] <Dolence> you did it on heekscad?
[19:00:11] <IchGuckLive> yes
[19:00:14] <Dolence> not cambam needed?
[19:00:17] <Dolence> *no
[19:00:31] <IchGuckLive> does cambam work on linux ?
[19:00:51] <Dolence> i dont think so lol
[19:01:21] <IchGuckLive> The Text is very little so no milling at 3mm
[19:01:43] <IchGuckLive> also ther needed to be set drillpoints to the holes
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[19:02:26] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: if you zoom in you can see that up left part is a miss in the Linup of the sketch
[19:04:10] <Dolence> I see...
[19:04:16] <Dolence> i will try it
[19:04:44] <IchGuckLive> this you can easy fix in librecad or qcad
[19:05:04] <IchGuckLive> just order them new by aligning them in one way
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[19:06:40] <Dolence> IchGuckLive what you think, should I do all the drawing direct on cad software and skip corel?
[19:07:04] <IchGuckLive> YES ofcause
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[19:08:22] <Dolence> ok
[19:08:43] <IchGuckLive> The miss i woudt fix at Linuxcnc its mutch easyer as there are full circel turns
[19:08:59] <IchGuckLive> that coud get out by editor
[19:11:42] <IchGuckLive> Dolence: Querry
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[20:13:37] <Connor> What's the best way to setup round stock to cross drill holes? I need to drill/tap holes in the pulleys...
[20:14:19] <Connor> I wish I could mount my freaking 4" chuck to my rotary table..
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[20:19:54] <mrsun> hold it in a vice? :P
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[21:36:48] <Jymmm> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/22605665.jpg
[21:36:52] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:38:30] <Connor> Okay, so, what the heck is the trick to getting a 4" chuck off of a R8 Arbor? It had 3 bolts on the back that I removed.. and I can't get it off.. Or, are they suppose to come off after being mated?
[21:38:54] <Tom_itx> put the pulley in a vise
[21:38:57] <Tom_itx> measure the diameter
[21:39:04] <Tom_itx> move the cnc over half that
[21:39:07] <Tom_itx> drill a hole
[21:39:41] <Tom_itx> leave the arbor on it
[21:40:19] <Connor> Kinda hard to use the chuck on the rotary table if it's on the arbor..
[21:40:53] <Tom_itx> mark it before you separate it
[21:41:21] <Connor> I did.
[21:41:29] <Connor> with a sharpie.
[21:41:35] <Connor> but, I can't get it apart.
[21:41:38] <Tom_itx> that's not very permanenet
[21:41:44] <Tom_itx> oil will remove that
[21:42:20] <Connor> Marking isn't going to do me any good if I can't get it apart.
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[22:26:57] <Dolence> hi!
[22:27:20] <Dolence> guys, I managed to made all wirings to my cnc machine
[22:27:31] <Dolence> now i am trying to define homes
[22:28:32] <Dolence> but when i click on home x, or y, or even z, the machine moves to the wrong direction
[22:28:34] <r00t4rd3d> why is a motorcycle called a "motor"cycle, shouldnt it be called an enginecycle?
[22:28:53] <Tom_itx> Dolence reverse them
[22:29:03] <r00t4rd3d> motors are electric, engines are gas.
[22:29:06] <Tom_itx> what's your scale?
[22:29:29] <Dolence> change the switches position or can I do it on software?
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[22:30:13] <Tom_itx> it's easier to fix in software probably
[22:30:36] <Dolence> i dont have idea on how to do it... could you please tell me?
[22:30:43] <jdh> what do you do with motor oil?
[22:30:48] <Dolence> (if you know how to do that)
[22:31:06] <atom1> i asked you what your SCALE was
[22:31:12] <atom1> make that a negative
[22:31:12] <Dolence> mine?
[22:31:15] <atom1> and try it
[22:31:26] <atom1> that will reverse direction
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[22:32:16] <Dolence> i will try it
[22:32:22] <Dolence> and report back
[22:32:26] <Dolence> thanks ;)
[22:32:26] <Tom_itx> steppers?
[22:32:33] <Dolence> yeah
[22:32:37] <Tom_itx> try that
[22:33:03] <Tom_itx> do you have home/ limit switches?
[22:33:20] <Tom_itx> make sure they're working as expected too
[22:33:54] <Dolence> yes, i have... a friend of mine give this machine to me, and all switches was disconnected
[22:34:04] <Dolence> i am trying to figure out on how to get all of them working
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[22:37:50] <JT-Shop> Dolence: you have home switches?
[22:38:19] <JT-Shop> is this a Stepconf Wizard generated configuration?
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[22:43:20] <Dolence> Tom_itx
[22:43:22] <Dolence> that worked!
[22:43:24] <Dolence> ty man
[22:43:48] <Dolence> do you know whats the meaning of "joint 0 on limit switch error" ?
[22:45:07] <jdh> your first axis is either on the limit switch, or the logic is inverted.
[22:46:52] <Tom_itx> yeah you need to set up your limit switches next
[22:46:55] <Dolence> when I do a home scan, tjhe limit is being activaded
[22:47:06] <Tom_itx> or disable them
[22:47:19] <Dolence> hmmm, I already had limit pins setted on wizard
[22:51:02] <Tom_itx> look at NO_FORCE_HOMING in the [TRAJ] section
[22:51:30] <Dolence> ok
[22:51:54] <Tom_itx> also HOME_SEQUENCE
[22:52:02] <Tom_itx> you want z to go first usually
[22:53:31] <Dolence> there is no NO_FORCE_HOMING on my [TRAJ] section, should i add it?
[22:53:43] <Tom_itx> read about it first
[22:53:49] <Tom_itx> i think you can disable them there
[22:54:02] <Tom_itx> temporarily
[22:57:05] <Jymmm> big ass thnder!
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[22:57:23] <Dolence> I think it's not exactly what I need
[22:57:41] <Tom_itx> no but it may help you on the way
[22:57:45] <Dolence> I could disable limits
[22:57:53] <Tom_itx> the logic on your limits may need reversed too
[22:58:12] <Dolence> i dont understand it
[22:58:26] <Tom_itx> what don't you understand?
[22:59:26] <Dolence> its expected to reach home before limits, right?
[23:00:06] <Tom_itx> i'll post my config files
[23:00:22] <Tom_itx> i use one switch for both
[23:00:35] <Dolence> ok
[23:00:41] <Tom_itx> and set home .1" off the switch
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[23:05:29] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
[23:06:28] <Tom_itx> HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS
[23:06:37] <Tom_itx> you may need that if you're using the same switch
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[23:25:18] <Dolence> i am not using the same switch
[23:25:27] <Dolence> i am using same switch for all limits
[23:25:35] <Dolence> ops
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[23:25:56] <Dolence> i am using same pin for all limit switches and individual pisn for home
[23:26:16] <Dolence> 3 limits switches and 3 home switches
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