#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-10-30

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[00:13:17] <andypugh> jthornton: For heat tratment a simple tube furnace is probaby OK. You are unlikley to be heat treating anything more than a couple of inches diameter.
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[00:40:41] <Tom_itx> i wonder if a toaster oven could be insulated and modded for a heat treat oven
[00:40:52] <Tom_itx> i use one for solder reflow
[00:40:57] <Jymmm> Got Human? http://i50.tinypic.com/2n0kf4n.jpg
[00:41:02] <Tom_itx> i know the temps are alot higher
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[00:48:06] <Valen> Jymmm: lol if i could go fishing from my verandah, i think i'd be more into fishing lol
[00:48:49] <Jymmm> Valen: =)
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[00:56:11] <FinboySlick> Good evening gang.
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[00:58:49] <L84Supper> http://www.ebay.com/itm/VPS-FlexBall-Linear-Ball-Bearing-Push-Pull-Cable-NEW-/350615993819?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51a2577ddb
[00:59:16] <L84Supper> ^^ might come in handy for milling around blind corners
[01:00:04] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: Those are essentially ball-bearing versions of whatever actuates the clutch and brakes on a motorcycle?
[01:00:40] <L84Supper> i wish the stroke was longer
[01:01:40] <FinboySlick> It's pretty funky, I didn't know they made 'em that kind of fancy.
[01:01:59] <L84Supper> thinking of fun applications for them
[01:02:44] <FinboySlick> Ah, inverse-engineering... Finding problems for new solutions.
[01:03:30] * FinboySlick wohah... Spicy steak.
[01:04:10] <L84Supper> searching for lead/ball screw positioners and came across them
[01:06:01] <L84Supper> FinboySlick, habanero stuffed fillets?
[01:06:41] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: Did you ever have memleak take a peek at buidroot.net? And almost... I fell in love with Peppermaster products and I found that their FusionFire sauce is perfect for marinating filet-mignon.
[01:07:23] <FinboySlick> It has habanero, scotch bonnet and a few other mean ones in there, but unlike a lot of hot sauces, it *tastes*.
[01:08:34] <jdh> seems cruel to marinate a filet
[01:08:52] <FinboySlick> jdh: Well, I don't really dip 'em.
[01:09:17] <FinboySlick> Just some fruity stuff on top so as to create a nice charred surface.
[01:09:22] <L84Supper> FinboySlick, he mostly builds his own tool chains now
[01:09:52] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: OK.
[01:10:33] <L84Supper> hmm just picturing a grill-press
[01:11:13] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: See, now that's something you could actuate with those push-pull cables.
[01:11:18] <L84Supper> industrial version of a George Forman
[01:13:04] <FinboySlick> Sort of like Keith's margarita blender: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78BecLSWTBg
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[01:28:56] <Jymmm> Got Power? http://i49.tinypic.com/330ea7l.jpg
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[01:43:52] <lwizardl> Hello
[01:48:29] <L84Supper> http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2012/10/30/nyregion/30crane1.html this is going to be fun to fix :)
[01:50:32] <jdh> run some hydraulic hoses up there, pump in some viagra
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[03:29:37] <skorket> I was hoping to get some advice about a project. Hope you don't mind that it's not linuxcnc specific. I was considering building my own toaster with individually addressable heating elements lined up in a line so that you could make "printable" toast. Here is an example: http://dornob.com/serial-toasters-and-creative-toast-printing-gadgets/?ref=search
[03:30:10] <skorket> Though you could attach a heater as a head to a cnc, I would prefer doing it by making 16 or so elements that you heat as the toast passes through
[03:30:46] <skorket> Would g-code be appropriate to control the heating elements individually? Does anyone have suggestions on how to do this?
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[03:47:17] <r00t4rd3d> thats almost as cool as my cake frosting pump idea.
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[03:47:44] <r00t4rd3d> cnc cakes
[03:47:51] <jdh> there is one on youtub
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[03:51:21] <Valen> skorket: I would suggest that its perhaps not the best method of achieving actual toast
[03:51:49] <Valen> it'll be all crispy on the outside and cold inside
[03:52:19] <Valen> Perhaps a pre-toasting element could be added to get the bulk toast up to temp, then finish it off with yer elements
[03:52:30] <Valen> also what your doing is exactly how thermal printers work
[03:52:54] <Valen> I'd say that gcode is probably not really what your after for a control scheme
[03:53:21] <skorket> Valen, that's what I figured, but I thought I'd ask
[03:53:45] <Valen> you could potentially do so
[03:53:54] <skorket> I also thought of trying to create actual toasted toast then do the print afterwards...
[03:53:55] <Valen> but EMC is limited to 9 axies and you want 17
[03:54:39] <skorket> There's no facility to send 'arbitrary data' to a tool somehow through gcode?
[03:55:15] <Valen> you could, but whats the point really
[03:55:25] <Valen> your only going to be controlling 1 axis?
[03:55:32] <Valen> the toast feed
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[03:58:55] <skorket> well, no, controlling the heating elements
[03:59:21] <skorket> I mean, more generally, what if you wanted to use gcode to control a printer?
[04:09:03] <Valen> I'd say its not ideally suited to it, but one could do it
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[04:33:41] <KimK> But the *really* important question is: Will there be an M-code to change from toast to Pop-Tarts?
[04:35:28] <skorket> What facility would you use?
[04:44:47] <r00t4rd3d> what happens if you stick a bagel in there
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[05:17:49] <KimK> skorket: I don't know if you're in the US, but if you are, bring that thing to the LinuxCNC Fest this summer, and I'll keep you supplied with all the bread you can give away.
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[05:27:33] <Valen> are you wanting to "hack" it or do it right?
[05:27:47] <Valen> if hacking is an option I'd look at re purposing a thermal printer
[05:28:20] <Valen> IE pull the brains from that, add some line drivers perhaps and your going to have a few hundred lines of resolution
[05:35:19] <r00t4rd3d> just use a laser
[05:35:28] <r00t4rd3d> on a hot bed
[05:35:33] <r00t4rd3d> lite butter
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[05:36:52] <r00t4rd3d> how mw of laser would it take to burn some bread?
[05:37:12] <r00t4rd3d> how much*
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[05:39:23] <Valen> depends on how long you want it to take
[05:39:46] <Valen> I'd wager a blueray laser would suffice
[05:40:11] <Jymmm> What you have is a dot matrix printer using heat instead of ink.... the bread/paper moves along in one axis, and the print head/heat gun in the other axis.
[05:40:23] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=7DvjEB6EjQY&feature=endscreen
[05:40:31] <Valen> works more like a thermal printer than a dot matrix
[05:40:33] <r00t4rd3d> ^^laser loaf
[05:41:02] <toner> hahah
[05:41:09] <Valen> lol nice to know our cam software isn't the only brain dead one out there
[05:41:13] <Jymmm> works great on cookies, chocolates, bread, pastries, vegetables, fruit, etc
[05:41:32] <Jymmm> crab chells even
[05:41:35] <Jymmm> shells
[05:41:49] <Valen> fingernails
[05:41:58] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=rrE4fxAHHwk&NR=1
[05:42:23] <Jymmm> The problem is mold =)
[05:42:45] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=jdwEXHc-ics&NR=1
[05:42:48] <r00t4rd3d> jesus
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[05:48:09] <skorket> Valen, what's "doing it right"?
[05:48:27] <skorket> oh, he's gone
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[06:31:53] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[06:32:54] <KimK> Good Morning
[06:37:15] <tjb1> Why is mold ap roblem with laser cutting bread?
[06:39:01] <KimK> Oh, I missed that, did it say that in one of the videos? Maybe because of too much fiddling around with the bread instead of leaving it in the plastic bag or paper sack?
[06:39:31] <tjb1> Jymmm said it
[06:40:06] <Jymmm> tjb1: because the bread molds
[06:40:10] <Jymmm> DUH
[06:40:38] <KimK> Ah, OK. (I'd be more worried about setting the bread on fire, lol, as in that video where they kept retracing and retracing the cursive script!)
[06:40:56] <tjb1> ...
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[07:01:08] <Jymmm> You think tjb1 really didn't understand that bread molds?
[07:01:27] <Jymmm> oh, hi kim
[07:02:48] <KimK> Hi Jymmm, what's happening in your part of the world? How much is gas(oline) there now?
[07:03:16] <Jymmm> $3.99/gal for regular as if today when I filled up.
[07:03:23] <Jymmm> s/if/of/
[07:03:43] <KimK> OK, well, that's better than I expected for California lately.
[07:04:04] <Jymmm> I got lucky and only paid $3.09/gal though =)
[07:04:30] <Jymmm> I had a 90¢ off per gallon think.
[07:04:38] <Jymmm> thing
[07:04:59] <KimK> Even better. I'll mark Jymmm down as fortunate, especially since there wasn't a "No Gas Today" sign.
[07:05:12] <Jymmm> where?
[07:05:36] <KimK> He had gas, you had money. It's a win-win!
[07:06:33] <Jymmm> oh, heh. I missed the "wasn't"; I thught you said there WAS a no gas today sign.
[07:07:35] <Jymmm> Yeah, it a grocery store thing.... you spend so much in groceries in a month and you get up to $1/off per gallon that you can use one time that/next month.
[07:08:16] <Jymmm> I saved $25 today
[07:08:40] <Jymmm> Had I remembered to bring my 2 5gal cans, it would have been more =)
[07:08:45] <KimK> Excellent! And great to hear that the gas spigot is still open in Cali... (cue opening notes of the "Jaws" theme...)
[07:09:33] <Jymmm> KimK: I have no idea what you are talking about http://i50.tinypic.com/2n0kf4n.jpg
[07:10:05] <Jymmm> KimK: Not a clue at all http://i45.tinypic.com/2119mpt.jpg
[07:13:03] <KimK> Yikes! Where were those taken?
[07:13:11] <Jymmm> lol
[07:13:48] <Jymmm> the shark in front of the house was today on the East Coast
[07:14:30] <Jymmm> The one indoors was a ways back at an aquarium tank in India that burst iirc
[07:15:19] <KimK> I hope that Mayor Bloomberg said that sharks over 32 ounces are not allowed inside the city limits?
[07:16:06] <KimK> I've been fiddling around trying to teach myself FreeCAD. Slow going, but I'm gettting closer to my desired 3-D doodad: http://imagebin.org/233838
[07:16:47] <Jymmm> cool!
[07:18:27] <KimK> They are supposed to be working on a CNC CAM plug-in for it, no telling when it will be ready to demonstrate. It's all kind of preliminary still, I think, but improving. It's usable with some workarounds and gotchas.
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[07:19:16] <Jymmm> price is too much for it
[07:20:09] <KimK> Ha, yes, "It's free, you say? Why, what's wrong with it?"
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[09:54:55] <DJ9DJ> moin
[09:59:33] <MattyMatt> KimK. free parametric modeller in a browser -> http://shapesmith.net
[09:59:50] <MattyMatt> in its way even more impressive than freecad
[10:00:15] <MattyMatt> goede morgen DJ9DJ
[10:00:28] <DJ9DJ> hi mattymatt
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[10:33:35] <archivist> I am confused...why would I need to sign in for an open source demo!
[10:35:00] <roh> i guess session handling is fnord ;)
[10:35:40] <roh> anybody an idea what to do with a used 40W laser tube?
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[10:36:15] <roh> co2.. the output coupler mirror is damaged due to a mirror cooler failiure
[10:37:46] <roh> it still works, but at much decreased power levels
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[11:43:47] <MattyMatt> archivist that's because it's all stored on his demo server
[11:44:04] <MattyMatt> you can get the code and run a local server if you want
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[11:44:44] <MattyMatt> I want. I'll be doing that asap
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[11:46:46] <MattyMatt> roh, got an optical quality surface table?
[11:47:06] <MattyMatt> make holgrams
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[11:47:36] <MattyMatt> IR holgrams of mice, to amuse cats
[11:49:07] <archivist> I run a server, I dont need to make people log in
[11:49:48] <MattyMatt> I guess it's to limit the load
[11:50:26] <MattyMatt> most of the processing seems to be on the client tho
[11:50:45] <MattyMatt> the server is just doing storage afaict
[11:52:08] <MattyMatt> you can log in as guest
[11:52:55] <MattyMatt> it seems reasonable to make you log in, when you are modifying files on the server
[11:53:30] <MattyMatt> otherwise you are very open to bot abuse
[11:56:52] <MattyMatt> I'd want to be able to attribute changes, on shared drawings with revision control
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[12:04:30] <Jymmm> roh: have it repaired?
[12:05:19] <Jymmm> roh: or replace the tube
[12:06:42] <Jymmm> roh: Else, what is it you have? make/model?
[12:06:44] <r00t4rd3d> anyone know Japanese/Chinese? http://i.imgur.com/O5P4B.jpg
[12:06:51] <r00t4rd3d> whats that in the middle
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[12:07:36] <Jymmm> frog shit
[12:10:00] <cradek> never get a tattoo of a language you don't read and write well
[12:10:43] <r00t4rd3d> http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/9/9a/Japanese_characters.svg/400px-Japanese_characters.svg.png
[12:10:48] <r00t4rd3d> like that?
[12:11:06] <cradek> (yes, for some people, that means they can't have any writing in their tattoo at all)
[12:12:55] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: It really is very close to "frog"
[12:14:17] <Jymmm> http://www.printfection.com/okee/Animal-Kanji/_s_67312
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[12:22:02] <r00t4rd3d> This girl asked me for an "asian style" paradise box.
[12:23:39] <r00t4rd3d> with a frog
[12:24:11] <Jymmm> engrave a frogs leg recipe in kanji
[12:24:37] <Jymmm> oh hang on
[12:25:25] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: Here ya go.... http://www.tattoostime.com/images/61/outline-frog-tattoo-sample.jpg
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[12:28:15] <Jymmm> Ok, is this still a tramp stamp? http://www.tattoostime.com/images/61/cute-frog-tattoo-design-2.jpg
[12:29:30] <r00t4rd3d> she wants the tongue
[12:30:08] <jdh> that's a 12 year old girls version of a tramp stamp
[12:30:10] <jdh> you perv
[12:30:26] <Jymmm> lol
[12:30:48] <Jymmm> ok, so it still is a tramp stamp, gotcha.
[12:31:13] <Jymmm> jdh: so a Pre-tramp tramp stamp?
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[12:35:29] <r00t4rd3d> http://waktattoos.com/large/Frogs_tattoo_188.jpg
[12:35:36] <r00t4rd3d> i found the frog in that image :D
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[12:37:16] <jdh> I'm going to make one of those boxes, but I need a 60-degree bit first.
[12:38:14] <Jymmm> jdh: http://i40.tinypic.com/2h7f04w.jpg
[12:38:39] <Jymmm> jdh: http://i40.tinypic.com/15xv8sl.jpg
[12:39:06] <Jymmm> jdh: http://i40.tinypic.com/33m8zcz.jpg
[12:39:52] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/cYCR1.jpg
[12:39:57] <Jymmm> jdh: Semi-NSFW http://i43.tinypic.com/34ytkwk.jpg
[12:40:00] <mrsun> i dont carrot all ? :P
[12:40:09] <mrsun> eye dont carrot all
[12:40:13] <mrsun> i dont care at all
[12:40:14] <mrsun> =)
[12:41:50] <Jymmm> Such poor lighting on that last tattoo
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[12:43:00] <Jymmm> What you think... 200 hours?
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[12:52:15] <Jymmm> That's not bad actually... https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/19/ymzbbbptj0yHSveuxFeJ8w2.jpg
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[12:59:33] <Jymmm> jdh: Got a hawt date for ya http://i45.tinypic.com/2my7xpu.jpg
[13:00:01] <DJ9DJ> wolverine!
[13:04:25] <Jymmm> ette
[13:05:00] <Jymmm> Do you think he just wanted to feel pretty? http://i50.tinypic.com/35lhiqe.jpg
[13:05:44] <jdh> any python people here? Know any simple ways to generate strip charts?
[13:06:08] <FinboySlick> jdh: I toy with it from time to time, but I'm not sure what a strip chart is.
[13:06:25] <jdh> running graph of a data point
[13:06:51] <Jymmm> like stock price over time?
[13:06:54] <jdh> yeah
[13:06:59] <FinboySlick> jdh: I know there are lots of cool graph libs for it. If you're mostly interested in doing data analysis, I suggest you look into ipython.
[13:07:28] <jthornton> https://bitbucket.org/btbytes/pystripchart/src/f35694f3a3a9/src/modules/stripchart/scaledstripchart.py
[13:07:40] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/TRCnx.jpg
[13:07:47] <r00t4rd3d> I will see if she likes that
[13:07:54] <FinboySlick> I like the frogs.
[13:07:55] <r00t4rd3d> frog, love, peace, happiness
[13:08:11] <jdh> r00t: the characters mean 'stupid white chick'?
[13:08:44] <jdh> jt: have you used it?
[13:09:07] <jthornton> no, just googled it up
[13:09:28] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: Dont look right.... try in NSEW compass layout
[13:09:35] <jdh> I was hoping someone had dug through all of them and found an easy one :)
[13:09:41] <jthornton> I'm playing with python, sqlite, gtk, glade making a Machinist Calculator
[13:10:15] <FinboySlick> no glade please, just plain gtk ;)
[13:12:43] <jthornton> it's ok and saves some time
[13:16:24] <r00t4rd3d> sob "Very nice, but could we do the symbols in order of Peace, Love, Happiness"
[13:16:44] <jdh> http://eli.thegreenplace.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/demo_graph.PNG
[13:16:58] <jdh> but, you can't have peace without love!
[13:18:01] <FinboySlick> r00t4rd3d: Do you have the symbols in cornflower blue?
[13:18:12] <FinboySlick> (bonus points if you get the reference)
[13:19:21] <Jymmm> New gang tattoo http://i45.tinypic.com/x0v2vd.jpg
[13:22:14] <FinboySlick> Walter White's new distribution network?
[13:22:46] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: oxycontin molecule for the cook
[13:24:33] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: I guess in case he forgets the recipe
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[13:26:40] <FinboySlick> Organic chemistry always kind of baffled me.
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[13:38:08] <Jymmm> Um... https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/9/7/C3K9FHRqCUOFh9DCjH7kdg2.jpg
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[13:55:48] <mazafaka> what a weird type of hand (http://i45.tinypic.com/x0v2vd.jpg)
[13:56:25] <r00t4rd3d> Looks like Im moving up in box sizes: "The Chest I want is 44 in long, 20 in wide, and 22 in tall."
[13:56:49] <r00t4rd3d> I told them 200 a per box, they want 2
[13:57:34] <r00t4rd3d> -a
[13:58:19] <jdh> can you make that big?
[14:04:42] <cncbasher> anyone good with mpg and mux setup ? could possibly take a look http://pastebin.com/k40Mk7p1
[14:05:11] <cncbasher> i'm either going totaly wrong or theirs a better way
[14:06:04] <jthornton> who is they?
[14:07:14] <cncbasher> hi jt
[14:07:33] <jthornton> dang the BP is not plugged into the network
[14:07:38] <jthornton> hi
[14:07:59] <jthornton> looks something like the one I have I think
[14:07:59] <cncbasher> you'll have to walk out in the cold and plug it back in ..
[14:08:30] <jthornton> not that cold, do you want to compare to what I ended up with on the BP?
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[14:12:42] <r00t4rd3d> jdh, sure.
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[14:15:57] <r00t4rd3d> Hopefully I scared them off with my price though cause I really dont want to make something that big.
[14:16:55] <r00t4rd3d> and they want it to resemble a 1800s steamer trunk and Ive never made anything like that before.
[14:17:07] <r00t4rd3d> I could though.
[14:18:17] <mutilator> anyone use shoretel phones & windows dhcp?
[14:20:03] <jthornton> http://imagebin.org/233874
[14:20:10] <r00t4rd3d> so the "largest storm to ever hit the US" only caused 16 deaths.
[14:21:15] <r00t4rd3d> katrina killed hundreds. Katrina took out 1,833 people.
[14:21:29] <r00t4rd3d> well thousands
[14:33:10] <TekniQue> eighteen hundred
[14:33:16] <TekniQue> single thousand is not thousands
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[14:39:52] <mazafaka> r00t4rd3d: it's good to have the orders, good to have a job
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[14:46:45] <r00t4rd3d> They jumped on it.
[14:46:56] <r00t4rd3d> my box making has moved to chest making.
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[14:49:00] <mazafaka> but you get money for you work, it's always good, even the terms can be enlarged if you talk to the customer properly
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[14:52:57] <mazafaka> Sometimes when I worked my boss even looked to his watches, and instead of finishing of the detail, I cut too much and we had to disassemble it and weld it up, and then to rework such places on detail... Then I was taught terms are discussable, and mostly are nothing/ And the price and the quality of the work done are in high interest.
[14:55:13] <jdh> does $200 cover supplies and time?
[14:57:38] <r00t4rd3d> sorta
[14:58:00] <r00t4rd3d> would be about 80 bucks for the wood for each chest
[14:58:28] <r00t4rd3d> unless the amish dude has some dry stuff
[14:59:05] <cradek> if you are unhappy that you got the job at your quoted price, it was still too low
[14:59:15] <cradek> you must pick the price that leaves you happy either way
[14:59:35] <r00t4rd3d> Not unhappy, just slightly nervous as Ive never made one like they want.
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[15:00:04] <r00t4rd3d> I can frame multimillion dollar houses though so a chest shouldnt be an issue.
[15:00:38] <cradek> sure, even if it turns out badly, you can still cover it with chinese drywall
[15:01:09] <jdh> or tell them the $200 was for OSB, $400 for real wood
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[15:08:23] <r00t4rd3d> Ill face some MDF with 1/8 birch plywood.
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[15:21:18] <mazafaka> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcY2u9cqB2Q r00t4rd3d that's how happy everybody will be when you will have created a chest which satisfies both the customer and you, too
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[15:22:20] <mazafaka> 'wake up, friend / let's bring the dreams out of the chest'
[15:24:23] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/c1Ud0.jpg
[15:24:42] <r00t4rd3d> they will look something like those only engraved with stuffs
[15:27:40] <mazafaka> Are they to be mounted onto the rails for luggage of some old English-styled sport coupe?
[15:28:53] <skunkworks> I bought a color nook to root and install android (at the time gingerbread) worked pretty well. Well - they have a beta version of Jelly Bean out. Holy crap - what an improvement. I think it will give the nook a few more years of use.l
[15:30:12] <r00t4rd3d> apple is going to sue you for violating their ass.
[15:31:40] <r00t4rd3d> Is that a computer? Infringement!
[15:32:08] <skunkworks> for me it is mainly to play with android.
[15:33:00] <skunkworks> (don't have a smart phone and everyone wants me to help them set thiers up..
[15:33:04] <skunkworks> theirs
[15:33:12] <r00t4rd3d> at walmart they selling refurbished andriod tablets for 39 bucks
[15:33:29] <skunkworks> neat
[15:33:31] <r00t4rd3d> or target, one of the 2
[15:33:35] <r00t4rd3d> 7"
[15:34:02] <skunkworks> the nook was refurbished.
[15:34:18] <skunkworks> spent about that a year or 2 ago
[15:34:33] <skunkworks> pretty underpowered but works ok for me
[15:35:39] <r00t4rd3d> Its funny how computers keep getting better/cheaper, data speeds increasing yet internet companies are going back to draconian ages.
[15:36:56] <r00t4rd3d> people who agree to capped data plans and pay for them should be shot and killed in public.
[15:37:16] <jdh> what else shoudl they do?
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[15:38:28] <r00t4rd3d> if everyone who used at&t capped data plans suddenly said , nope we aint paying for this capped bullshit no more, turn off my service. How long do you think it would take at/t to go back to unlimited data?
[15:40:22] <jdh> so, you want them to all pay the early termination fees, then pay for an unsubsidized phone?
[15:40:46] <jdh> that will teach the telco!
[15:41:24] <r00t4rd3d> what do they call people who look at the negative side of everything?
[15:41:41] <jdh> realists
[15:42:23] <r00t4rd3d> pessimist.
[15:43:00] <jdh> I'm just expounding on the implementation of your idea.
[15:43:47] <r00t4rd3d> your early termination fee would cover itself in bandwidth overcharges
[15:43:58] <r00t4rd3d> you can get a tracphone for 20 bucks
[15:44:37] <pcw_home> Just have to live in the right place in Kansas and 1G both ways is $70 a Mo
[15:44:56] <jdh> what can you do with a $20 tracphone?
[15:45:15] <r00t4rd3d> email, surf the web, make phone calls
[15:45:18] <r00t4rd3d> text
[15:45:23] <r00t4rd3d> pictures, video
[15:45:25] <jdh> with unlimited data?
[15:45:33] <r00t4rd3d> prepaid
[15:46:07] <jdh> they have prepaid unlimited data?
[15:46:33] <r00t4rd3d> no
[15:47:07] <r00t4rd3d> you were saying people would have to pay large amounts for an unsubsized phone.
[15:47:38] <jdh> so, that still leaves them with a capped data plan.
[15:48:22] <jdh> my at&t bill is $210 for 4 phones :(
[15:48:30] <r00t4rd3d> my point was att wouldnt stay on capped data plans for long
[15:48:38] <r00t4rd3d> and you could get by
[15:48:40] <r00t4rd3d> cheaply
[15:50:31] <jdh> If I could hold out until April, all my phone contracts woudl be up
[15:50:39] <r00t4rd3d> its the people who pay 210 a month for 4 phones and cant live without facebook and twitter who are fucking it up for the rest.
[15:50:43] <jdh> but, I have a pressing need for a Galaxy Note II
[15:52:55] <r00t4rd3d> how much bandwidth per month do you get for that price?
[15:53:16] <jdh> unlimited, 2gb,2gb,0.2gb
[15:53:37] <r00t4rd3d> who has the unlimited?
[15:53:49] <jdh> me
[15:53:54] <r00t4rd3d> whore.
[15:54:26] <r00t4rd3d> do you ever go over your caps?
[15:54:32] <jdh> never have
[15:54:39] <r00t4rd3d> teenage daughter?
[15:54:54] <jdh> she has 2gb. Only gets close when she turns off wifi
[15:58:00] <jdh> straighttalk.com has $45 unlimited everything
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[16:03:35] <r00t4rd3d> I pay $59 for unlimited internet for my house and sell my neighbor wifi for $25 a month.
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[16:11:51] <skunkworks> our neighbor mows the lawn and takes care of the snow..
[16:12:10] <skunkworks> I think we got the better deal
[16:12:15] <jdh> I take care of the snow for my neighborhood
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[16:12:26] <skunkworks> (but he likes doing that..)
[16:12:39] <archivist> My neighbour bakes me cake
[16:12:54] <skunkworks> heh\
[16:13:09] <jdh> my neighbor leaves the blinds open when she gets out of the shower.
[16:13:24] <archivist> I have to ferry her to the doctors etc !
[16:13:28] <r00t4rd3d> does your wife know that?
[16:13:50] <r00t4rd3d> or your S/O
[16:13:51] <r00t4rd3d> :D
[16:14:09] <jdh> dunno, can't see the window.
[16:14:43] <jthornton> http://imagebin.org/233885
[16:15:09] <jdh> jt: lookup tables or calculated somehow?
[16:15:23] <jthornton> database and calculated
[16:15:33] <jdh> creepy... the imagebin ads are now for unlimited cell
[16:15:52] <jdh> nifty
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[16:19:19] <jthornton> you pick the thread form, size and class of fit and is gives you all the info for threading and tapping
[16:19:53] <tom3p> r00t4rd3d, the char is king, but has extra 'dian' on top left it doesnt look like a real character
[16:19:55] <jdh> I don't know what 2a means
[16:20:48] <jthornton> it's the class of fit
[16:21:03] <jthornton> 2a is normal 3a is tight
[16:22:31] <jthornton> http://www.engineersedge.com/screw_threads_chart.htm
[16:23:27] <mutilator> so i was thinkin of gettin one of these, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000P4NSYG
[16:23:35] <mutilator> anyone used or recommend aother brand?
[16:23:55] <jdh> heh, I was looking at that one this morning
[16:23:59] <r00t4rd3d> tom3p, its a kanji Life symbol.
[16:24:39] <tom3p> kanji hah stolen chinese chars used by japenese
[16:25:11] <mutilator> yea, recommend it?
[16:25:29] <jdh> no clue. it's the right size and 60-degrees
[16:25:37] <mutilator> aye
[16:26:45] <jdh> ask mr. b0x d00d
[16:29:17] <jdh> *CMT-brand .laser-point. 60� V-Bit
[16:29:18] <jdh> was used to create the sample
[16:29:27] <r00t4rd3d> yeah those are nice bits
[16:29:34] <jdh> (from the vectric box instructions)
[16:30:00] <r00t4rd3d> im gonna buy that same one he linked to soon
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[16:30:55] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:31:00] <mutilator> well i guess i'll see how it works!
[16:31:06] * mutilator orders
[16:31:12] <r00t4rd3d> mutilator, you going to make paradise boxes with that?
[16:31:43] <IchGuckLive> r00t4rd3d: as your deer O.O
[16:31:44] <mutilator> i'm going to make golden unicorns to fly into the rainbow sunset
[16:31:53] <jdh> cool.
[16:32:03] <jdh> that whole gay thing is fine you know.
[16:32:07] <mutilator> heh
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[16:32:19] <mutilator> what i have to be gay to like unicorns and rainbows?
[16:32:22] <mutilator> yeesh
[16:32:38] <jdh> no, you could be an 8 year old girl
[16:32:38] <IchGuckLive> everyone power up and Dry in the East USA
[16:32:48] <mutilator> you never know
[16:34:15] <r00t4rd3d> IchGuckLive, that storm was pussy.
[16:34:27] <r00t4rd3d> overhyped by the news
[16:34:28] <IchGuckLive> compare 2
[16:34:41] <r00t4rd3d> Katrina 1800 deaths, Sandy 16
[16:34:48] <mutilator> lot of people without power!
[16:34:55] <mutilator> the world is basically over w/o power
[16:34:57] <IchGuckLive> we are on 33 deathole
[16:35:25] <IchGuckLive> but a giga city hit by a storm like this is a disaster on its own
[16:35:29] <r00t4rd3d> most of the 16 people killed by Sandy was from falling trees
[16:37:30] <IchGuckLive> one is cut by a traffic sign head off a realy nice cut
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[16:57:07] <jdh> anyone used an A/B box for switching p-ports between two machines?
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[17:05:04] <archivist> jdh no, and dont trust one till you take it to bits to check which pins are switched
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[17:07:32] <archivist> it is likely they dont switch the data lines properly specially if an older one, probably only switching the handshake lines
[17:08:03] <jdh> it looks like it does all 25 lines
[17:09:44] <jdh> actually it seems to be 24 lines
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[17:10:58] <jdh> 24 are switched, 1 of each is tied to frame ground.
[17:11:21] <pcw_home> you probably would not want it to switch GND
[17:12:12] <jdh> but, which pin would you call ground
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[17:12:38] <pcw_home> one of the 25
[17:13:16] <pcw_home> well there are 8 GNDs in a PP pinout
[17:13:20] <archivist> I think shield gnd is separately defined
[17:14:04] <pcw_home> Yes iEEE1284 has a shield gnd for all 17 signals
[17:14:25] <pcw_home> terminated in the connector shell
[17:14:29] <jdh> I don't think the switch was strictly for PP. They were generally used for serial here.
[17:14:44] <pcw_home> (which is electrical gnd on a PC)
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[17:15:57] <pcw_home> you may need to find which pin is un-switched (its likely 1 or 7 on a serial switch)
[17:16:40] <pcw_home> but possible one of 18 through 25 on a parallel switch
[17:18:17] <jdh> the switch portion is a bunch of 3x8 headers
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[17:23:28] <IchGuckLive> are this numbers in ns or in µs
[17:23:33] <IchGuckLive> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Drive_Timing
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[17:24:19] <IchGuckLive> and in nanoseconds B) read to get it
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[17:31:48] <L84Supper> http://www.xeos3d.com/ SCARA armed 3d printer from Wuppertal
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[17:34:14] <IchGuckLive> L84Supper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRZzIhEuEHw
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[17:35:34] <L84Supper> IchGuckLive, Z-corp powder + binder printers using old HP thermal heads, do you use them?
[17:35:56] <IchGuckLive> no
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[17:48:03] <jdh> looks like pin1 on all three ports is tied to frame ground
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[17:48:31] <pcw_home> Ahh so its s serial switch :-(
[17:48:54] <jdh> does a 7i43 use pin1?
[17:49:14] <pcw_home> thats STROBE on a parallel port
[17:49:21] <pcw_home> Yes it does
[17:49:58] <jdh> so, I'm out of luck switching a PP between a 7i43 and another machines breakout board
[17:50:35] <jdh> or, disconnect the frame, leave pin 1 tied to the 7i43 port and don't use pin1 on the other one
[17:52:46] <pcw_home> With a parallel port switch it should be possible
[17:52:48] <pcw_home> what you dont want is no GND between the PC ind the 7I43 or breakout and the first
[17:52:50] <pcw_home> connection between them being a signal pin when you switch (so all leakage/gnd difference/ESD goes through that signal pin)
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[17:53:36] <r00t4rd3d> some people are just down right retarded: http://i.imgur.com/E95oK.jpg
[18:00:39] <jdh> pcw: 18-25 are all individually switched. Won't that take care of the grounding?
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[18:14:13] <andypugh> Who has a nice big machine for this ?http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281012873231
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[18:15:18] <andypugh> And for the Hardinge owner: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261119594505
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[18:21:17] <pcw_home> jdh: no you dont want those switched (this would be the same thing as live plugging the connectors, which is likely to damage the I/O pin that happens to connect first)
[18:24:08] <jdh> heh. Ok. I'll give up on the idea.
[18:24:48] <jdh> I should just run ethernet out there, get rid of my PCI wifi card and stick a PCI PP in.
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[20:31:47] <andypugh> Oooh! tool-holder wars on the mailing list!
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[20:34:29] <cradek> properly tightened weldon holders and properly tightened ER collets don't walk
[20:35:02] <cradek> if you look up ER40 specs you'll be surprised at how tight you're supposed to make it
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[20:36:30] <cradek> I did it for you: 130 ft-lb
[20:36:42] <andypugh> That's quite a heave
[20:36:46] <cradek> on your little 10" long spanner that's damn tight
[20:37:03] <cradek> IMO people complain that they slip because they don't know how to tighten them
[20:37:27] <andypugh> I can see the fixtures being handy
[20:37:32] <cradek> and no I'm not saying that on the list
[20:38:04] <cradek> yes unless you have a very solid fixture to hold the flange, you simply can't tighten it correctly
[20:38:13] <andypugh> That's OK, I will quote you "Cradek says you are an incompetnet buffoon"
[20:38:17] <cradek> hahaha
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[20:40:06] <cradek> I bet another cause of slippage is putting flatless carbide end mills in weldon holders and crossing your fingers
[20:40:45] <cradek> ... which is obviously not going to work (I admit I've done it with 1/8" tools, but you're not going to get much force on that)
[20:40:53] <andypugh> What is TIR like on Weldon holders?
[20:41:29] <andypugh> It seems like it ought to be bad.
[20:41:46] <cradek> http://www.maritool.com/Tool-Holders-BT-40-End-Mill-Holders/c23_26_38/p55/BT40-3/8-END-MILL-TOOL-HOLDER-.375-1.75/product_info.html
[20:42:14] <cradek> maritool makes affordable ones, and they say .0001 inch, balanced to 20krpm
[20:42:27] <cradek> I bought a bunch of these and they are superb
[20:42:49] <andypugh> They presumably bore them deliberately off centre then?
[20:43:15] <cradek> the hole is so close that if you have a knob on it, when you push a good end mill in it will pop back out from the air pressure
[20:43:31] <cradek> yes I suspect the hole is slightly off center, but I don't know for sure
[20:46:04] <cradek> I guess in theory you might get better concentricity from a collet, but I'd believe it when I see it
[20:47:04] <cradek> if you need better, you oughta go to shrink fit I bet
[20:47:42] <cradek> that can give you a more perfect balance too
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[20:49:24] <cradek> let's talk about religion instead - there would be less-strong opinions
[20:49:30] <andypugh> Interestingly http://www.moldmakingtechnology.com/articles/high-speed-collet-toolholder-or-shrink-fit-tooling prefers collets
[20:49:54] <andypugh> The right of bears to own gnus.
[20:50:27] <cradek> well-regulated marshmallows
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[21:23:13] <r00t4rd3d> I like how normally smart people can devote their life to some silly book.
[21:25:51] <r00t4rd3d> I love when the moronic mormons come to my door.
[21:26:39] <r00t4rd3d> or when someone asks me "Do you know jesus?"
[21:27:12] <r00t4rd3d> Im like yeah , that guy who runs the taco stand.
[21:29:24] <r00t4rd3d> mitt romney is a magic underwearing moronic mormon.
[21:30:43] <r00t4rd3d> Someone whos brain can wrap around the mormon faith is certainly somebody who should not be running our country.
[21:31:07] <Vq> r00t4rd3d: It's probably simple enough.
[21:32:03] <r00t4rd3d> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons
[21:32:14] <r00t4rd3d> that is so laughable
[21:32:28] <rob_h> only problem with Shrink fit is HSS does not go too well with it :)
[21:32:46] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: Jeebus is on Planet Kolob, how hard is that to understand? DUH!
[21:32:56] <r00t4rd3d> "In 1823 Smith said an angel directed him to a buried book written on golden plates containing the religious history of an ancient people."
[21:33:17] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob
[21:34:08] <Vq> r00t4rd3d: Happens all the time, FSM is burrying gold plates at an impressive rate.
[21:35:29] <Jymmm> FSM?
[21:36:45] <Vq> Flying Spaghetthi Monster
[21:36:57] <Jymmm> and in english?
[21:37:03] <Vq> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
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[21:37:31] <Vq> Jymmm: The pastafarian deity?
[21:37:54] <Jymmm> oh a satire
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[21:38:13] <Vq> Jymmm: Sorry I'm not from england.
[21:38:31] <Jymmm> Vq: I meant an Earth Language
[21:40:18] <Vq> Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
[21:40:31] <Jymmm> gotcha
[21:41:31] <L84Supper> you better watch out for the invisible angry man that lives in the sky!
[21:41:57] <DaViruz> FSM kind of looks like spathi
[21:41:59] <Vq> And the fish-monster in the sea.
[21:42:14] <DaViruz> spathi kind of sounds like spaghetti too coming to think about it
[21:42:18] <Vq> DaViruz: Ha, I've never thought of that. :)
[21:42:29] <DaViruz> me neither :)
[21:42:57] <L84Supper> The Invention of Lying had some great scenes that sum up human nature pretty well
[21:43:02] <Vq> Now I'll always think of his silly expressions when I encounter FSM.
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[22:10:27] <andypugh> Not touched by his noodly appenage then?
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[22:13:58] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[23:06:08] <Valen> ahoy hoy andypugh
[23:06:29] <Valen> was looking at that DIY bt30 spindle the guy was making on CnC zone and thinking of copying it
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[23:06:40] <Valen> though hopefully without the fail grinding
[23:07:13] <Valen> I was thinking of doing the final taper grind after it was all mounted up driving into a stone on the bed
[23:07:24] <r00t4rd3d> use a rc nitro engine
[23:08:34] <andypugh> I was wondering when I first read the article why he didn't try to machine it in its bearings.
[23:08:52] <Valen> i think because he was getting the grinding done
[23:09:10] <Valen> but they are going to need to release it and re grab it and thats never going to end that well
[23:09:21] <andypugh> I don't know why _they_ didn't grind it in its bearings...
[23:09:35] <Valen> thats a different question lol
[23:10:37] <Valen> it sounds like a tool post grinder and much checking is a common method of boring spindles
[23:12:01] <r00t4rd3d> I made my steppers play the super mario theme song:
[23:12:03] <r00t4rd3d> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDQKhH80C6Y&feature=g-upl
[23:12:07] <Valen> there are people who come on site and grind spindles for you it seems
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[23:12:22] <Valen> I wanted to do that with my servos by changing the PWM frequency ;->
[23:25:36] <jdh> can anyone convert .igs to 3ds or stl?
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[23:27:37] <r00t4rd3d> probably
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[23:32:06] <r00t4rd3d> jdh do you have rhino?
[23:32:16] <jdh> nope
[23:33:01] <r00t4rd3d> where did you get the igs file from?
[23:33:12] <andypugh> Looks like I can do IGES to stl
[23:33:22] <Valen> most cad packages can
[23:33:28] <jdh> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=129721&d=1300930116
[23:35:37] <Jymmm> LOL Love it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGo2ls8M7Bw
[23:37:47] <andypugh> Hmm, I get faces, but no solid body.
[23:37:54] <andypugh> I am not sure how to convert.
[23:38:49] <Valen> i don't believe iges gives you solids
[23:42:14] <andypugh> I think "auto stich and promote" was the magic incantation
[23:42:23] <Valen> what package?
[23:42:28] <andypugh> jdh: File transfer?
[23:42:37] <jdh> err... how?
[23:42:40] <andypugh> AutoCAD inventor
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[23:42:45] <Valen> DCC FTW! ;->
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[23:42:49] <jdh> might work
[23:42:59] <jdh> try dcc?
[23:43:05] <andypugh> I already am...
[23:43:30] <jdh> *** No file offered in SEND mode by andypugh
[23:43:39] <jdh> I see a dcc chat, not a dcc send
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[23:44:00] <jdh> I don't think I've dcc'ed anything in 10 years
[23:44:03] <Valen> heres a question, how do they handle having all those assloads of belville washers and keeping it all ballanced
[23:44:16] <jdh> email? [email protected]
[23:46:21] <jdh> cool, thanks!
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[23:47:33] <andypugh> Valen: I don't know, now you meantion it.
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[23:50:22] <Valen> I wonder about using hydraulics
[23:50:37] <jd896> Is Andy p around ?
[23:50:53] <andypugh> If the hydaulics fails, you drop the tool...
[23:51:20] <andypugh> And you need rotating seals.
[23:51:24] <r00t4rd3d> jd896, nope!
[23:51:35] <andypugh> jd896: Any particualr Andy P?
[23:52:20] <jd896> Should have waited before asking ey
[23:52:34] <r00t4rd3d> no not at all
[23:53:19] <jd896> Andy am I right in thinking you have one of your machines pc powered with a pico psu ?
[23:53:51] <andypugh> Yes. Two of them in fact
[23:54:38] <jd896> Do thay have the square four pin 12volt connector on them for the atom MBs ?
[23:54:58] <Valen> atom shouldn't need a 12v cpu supply?
[23:55:09] <andypugh> I think mine came with one. I ignored it
[23:55:55] <andypugh> (used the header for SSD power instead)
[23:56:16] <Valen> why are you using one of those psus anyway andypugh?
[23:56:35] <jd896> Ah do you not use the intel d525mw then
[23:56:49] <andypugh> Mine is a D510.
[23:57:01] <r00t4rd3d> I have 525mw
[23:58:30] <r00t4rd3d> andy you use them cause they are small?
[23:59:14] <tjb1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpU0R9lhadI&feature=related
[23:59:25] <andypugh> Yes. And there seems little point having 300W of PSU making several voltages I have no need of at currents I can't use.
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[23:59:59] <Valen> still got to have a 12v supply