#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-11-13

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[00:00:31] <SWPadnos> probably true
[00:00:45] <andypugh> If you were looking earlier when I posted an STL slicer, the key to that is the two lines of code that build a list of all facets through the slicing plane.
[00:01:22] <Tom_itx> reprap guys are using slic3r currently
[00:01:32] <SWPadnos> depends on whether the benchmark is complex enough that a compiler or some objecty environment could end up more efficient than a person thinking about the problem
[00:01:42] <andypugh> Firstly those with one node > z, plus those with 2 nodes >z. That would be rather more code in a non-vectorised language
[00:02:37] <L84Supper> skeinforge also still works
[00:03:16] <L84Supper> there is also work on using voxels and the GPU to slice in real time on the fly
[00:03:17] <andypugh> Err, I was discussing programming languages, I have no actual need to slice STL files :-)
[00:03:17] <jp1> repsnapper wored well too!
[00:03:27] <L84Supper> sorry
[00:03:36] <jp1> ditto
[00:03:39] <SWPadnos> andypugh, but what happens under the hood? sure, you wrote 2 lines of code, but did the library your code uses make 10 passes over the data or something else silly
[00:03:39] <Tom_itx> andypugh did you hand laminate those layers?
[00:03:57] <Tom_itx> in the handle pic
[00:04:02] <SWPadnos> andypugh, yeah, I had to think about the standard template library vs. the 3D model file format :)
[00:04:30] <andypugh> SWPadnos: Oh, yes, it's horribly inefficient under the hood. It's best thought of as a very high level data manipulation scripting language. But it definitely has uses.
[00:05:22] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Yes, though the plotter cut two little holes in each piece, so I only had to slot them on to pegs and rub them down/
[00:05:39] <Tom_itx> wondered how you aligned them
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[00:06:27] <andypugh> Even then it was spectacularly dull. One of those jobs that has you clenching your legs and feeling a bit sick. Or is that just me?
[00:09:03] <t12> theres an even rougher compiler problem
[00:09:18] <t12> can you optimize code for opecode and io power efficency
[00:09:22] <t12> opcode even
[00:10:14] <jp1> andypugh: have you seen the ic haus interpolator ic's
[00:10:28] <andypugh> No.
[00:10:47] <andypugh> What do they do? (Or, more specifically, what do they interpolate?)
[00:10:58] <jp1> was thinking of trying them out on some scales
[00:11:11] <jp1> interpolate sin cos
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[00:11:23] <andypugh> Ah, OK. I might have seen them then.
[00:11:34] <andypugh> Slightly spendy?
[00:13:14] <jp1> yeah but not terible
[00:13:25] <andypugh> AH, Actually I was thinking of http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/resolver-to-digital-converters/7094709/
[00:14:26] <jp1> think there like 15-30 for the ic depending on the type
[00:14:51] <andypugh> (To be fair, there are £20 variants with less resolution, that one is a bit special)
[00:17:13] <jp1> not bad to use as a converter even if you just want quad output
[00:18:19] <andypugh> jp1: You could probably use my Arduino code (you can throw away the sine-wave excitation generator)
[00:18:43] <jp1> yeah im playing with that now
[00:19:01] <andypugh> Though then all you are left with is a fast integer arctan and quadrature emulation, and you can probably do that yourself.
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[00:19:41] <jp1> just thought the ic would be faster than the arduino
[00:19:46] <andypugh> I confess I gave up on it, 1mS update rate seemed a bit slow.
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[00:20:03] <andypugh> I bought the Mesa 7i49.
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[00:21:26] <Tom_itx> what's it do?
[00:21:41] <jp1> resolver card
[00:21:46] <Tom_itx> oh
[00:21:53] <Tom_itx> to replace your arduino?
[00:22:04] <andypugh> (The Arduino stopped working, I scoped the excitation signal and it had gone very funny, and I couldn't be bothered to debug it. Probably a bad capacitor, might have been a 3.3V one)
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[00:24:16] <andypugh> SWPadnos: Do you know what saicannon is for? It seems to be a partial duplicate of emccannon but with surprisingly little common code.
[00:32:18] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI
[00:33:48] <andypugh> cradek: What happens if three code files share a header with a function declaration in it, then all files contain different definitions of the function? Specifically, what controls which function gets executed by a call from a 4th file?
[00:35:18] <kwallace> Isn't SAI = Stand Alone Interpreter?
[00:37:06] <andypugh> Ah, yes, that rings a bell.
[00:38:12] <kwallace> I recall there being a section on the SAI in the NIST/EMC1 documentation.
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[00:42:33] <kwallace> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.57.6516&rep=rep1&type=ps
[00:45:00] <andypugh> OK, that is what it is. So, it looks like saicannon, emccannon and gcodemodule all do similar but different things at the same hierarchy level. The digging continues...
[00:46:53] <kwallace> ftp://ftp.isd.mel.nist.gov/pub/emc/
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[00:59:59] <JT-Shop> http://www.secretlifeofmachines.com/
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[01:05:08] <andypugh> Right, time to sleep.
[01:05:10] <andypugh> Night all
[01:05:16] <JT-Shop> night
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[02:32:55] <abetusk> does anyone do PCB milling? What is your clearance?
[02:33:31] <abetusk> also, has anyone made their own pick and place machine?
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[02:35:47] <mutilator> clearance?
[02:35:53] <Tom_itx> i've done laser toner transfer but no milling to speak of
[02:36:08] <Tom_itx> mutilator, between traces
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[02:43:43] <mutilator> oh
[02:43:59] <mutilator> i've only done 47 mils on mine and only twice as a test
[02:44:07] <abetusk> yeah, as in the minimum track you can take out with your endmill
[02:44:20] <abetusk> I was hoping to get down to around 10 mil...
[02:44:23] <mutilator> i have some smaller buts i want to try but i have to test speeds
[02:44:32] <mutilator> i imagine it'd have to cut really slow
[02:44:39] <mutilator> bits*
[02:44:42] <abetusk> how slow?
[02:44:57] <mutilator> i dont know i havnt tested it
[02:45:03] <mutilator> just based on them being so fragile
[02:45:18] <abetusk> I have some v-bits, they seem pretty sturdy...
[02:45:48] <mutilator> oh yea i have some flat endmill flutes
[02:48:10] <abetusk> speaking of which, I can only find ones that are .1 mm at the end, do you know of any source to get sharper ones?
[02:49:20] <mutilator> i just bought a nice one from cmt
[02:49:21] <Tom_itx> you need high rpm
[02:49:40] <abetusk> cmt?
[02:49:45] <abetusk> and what rpm would you recommend?
[02:49:51] <mutilator> http://www.amazon.com/CMT-858-001-11-Cutting-Diameter-16-Inch/dp/B000P4NSYG
[02:50:12] <mutilator> nice and big
[02:50:13] <Tom_itx> abetusk figure your chip load and tool diameter
[02:50:18] <Tom_itx> the numbers don't lie
[02:50:21] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/etching/mills1.jpg
[02:50:30] <Tom_itx> i tried but my spindle is just too slow
[02:51:37] <Tom_itx> i'd suspect around 10k rpm
[02:51:38] <abetusk> mutilator, what is the end width?
[02:51:57] <mutilator> i cant measure it..
[02:52:09] <mutilator> it goes to a point
[02:52:13] <Tom_itx> use carbide too as FR4 is quite abrasive
[02:52:26] <t12> these desktop centrifuges appear to have some really nice little 3ph motors in them
[02:52:34] <Tom_itx> and copper is crap to mill anyway
[02:52:35] <t12> 13.5krpm, 170w, 115v
[02:53:02] <abetusk> Tom_itx, I have an 8k rpm spindle...
[02:53:14] <mutilator> i just tried engraving a old copper block from a heatsink yesterday
[02:53:20] <mutilator> needs some tweaking to speeds for sure heh
[02:54:06] <mutilator> glad it was pretty thick, i can just mill off the top layer and start over
[03:01:43] <abetusk> mutilator, I'm really hesitant to just buy a $20 bit without knowing what the end width is. If you try it, report back
[03:02:44] <mutilator> yea i dont think i'll use a v to cut it
[03:02:54] <mutilator> i'll use my flat end mills
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[03:43:18] <mutilator> abetusk?
[03:43:31] <mutilator> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24715738/IMG_20121112_224222.jpg
[03:43:56] <mutilator> my tablet cant focus that close
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[03:44:13] <mutilator> but it comes down to as much of a point as you can get..
[03:44:30] <pfred1> the linuxcnc website is just the wiki now?
[03:45:07] <abetusk> mutilator, hmm, so .1mm or .2mm at least? It's really hard to differentiate with the naked eye when it's that small
[03:45:47] <mutilator> it looks like half the width of the pin but i dunno how deep you need to go
[03:45:51] <mutilator> so you'd have to calc the width
[03:46:08] <mutilator> whats 1oz cupper like 1.5mil
[03:46:41] <abetusk> 1.34 mil
[03:46:48] <abetusk> about
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[03:47:08] <pfred1> ought oh I smell a PCB miller
[03:50:06] <tjb1> What is the advantage of placing things on the servo thread vs the base thread?
[03:50:57] <tjb1> or disadvantage…or reason
[03:55:13] <Tom_itx> with mesa cards i'm told to use the servo thread
[03:55:27] <Tom_itx> my config doesn't define a base thread
[03:56:33] <tjb1> I could put all servo items on the base thread and it wouldnt matter and vise versa if the speed was the same?
[03:57:54] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure
[03:58:03] <Tom_itx> i just did what i was recomended to do
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[04:04:53] <kwallace> The base thread is for software signal generation, such as step pulses. The servo thread is for reading the machine status and calculating the number pulses to put out.
[04:06:28] <Tom_itx> well in the case of mesa cards the pulses are generated on board i think
[04:07:28] <kwallace> That's why the base thread isn't needed.
[04:07:35] <Tom_itx> yeah
[04:08:43] <kwallace> Also, functions that need floating point calculations can't be done in the base thread, but only in the slower servo thread.
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[04:10:46] <pfred1> the Swiss really do make nice stuff don't they? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8qkaTsr2_o
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[04:32:26] <Tom_itx> yup
[04:40:44] <pfred1> when I hit the lottery I'm getting one of those P&P machines just so I can watch it.
[04:41:03] <Tom_itx> i didn't click
[04:41:23] <Tom_itx> i just know swiss machines are good
[04:41:45] <pfred1> it looks like the video is speeded up but it isn't
[04:41:55] <Tom_itx> oh, pick n place..
[04:42:03] <Tom_itx> yeah some of those are pretty impressive
[04:42:28] <pfred1> that one is a Swiss one and they're calling it ultra high speed
[04:43:02] <pfred1> needless to say it is slamming some parts into boards
[04:43:47] <Tom_itx> i wonder if it detects if a part slips in transit
[04:43:51] <Tom_itx> i would suppose so
[04:44:10] <Tom_itx> you see the good parts of it but i bet sometimes they crash
[04:44:20] <Tom_itx> just wonder how the crash recovery works
[04:45:20] <pfred1> I don't know something tells me it runs like a Swiss watch though :)
[04:49:07] <theos> :)
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[05:10:46] <Aero-Tec> I upgraded EMC
[05:11:15] <Aero-Tec> now have my max jitter real high again
[05:11:37] <pfred1> SMI interrupt?
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[05:11:51] <Aero-Tec> any one of the gurus here?
[05:11:58] <Aero-Tec> I would guess that
[05:12:05] <Aero-Tec> that is what fixed it last time
[05:12:32] <Aero-Tec> I checked the file and the SMI fix is there
[05:12:44] <Aero-Tec> unless it is using a new file
[05:13:12] <Aero-Tec> in the home dir is where the file is
[05:13:28] <Aero-Tec> is there a new place for it?
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[05:14:39] <Aero-Tec> rtapi.conf file
[05:15:00] <Aero-Tec> looks to still have the SMI update in it
[05:17:07] <Aero-Tec> looks like the one I looked at may be a backup copy I made
[05:17:30] <Aero-Tec> will look where the instructions say to look
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[05:18:40] <Aero-Tec> also I did a test set up of a simple 5 axis cnc for testing out the new update
[05:19:02] <Aero-Tec> it brings up what looks to be a model of the CNC machine
[05:19:13] <Aero-Tec> is that normal?
[05:19:26] <Aero-Tec> 2.4 did not do that
[05:35:51] <Aero-Tec> calling emc guru
[05:36:20] <Aero-Tec> the rtapi.conf will not allow me to edit it
[05:37:06] <Aero-Tec> the file belongs to root, I can load it into editor but can not save it
[05:37:19] <Aero-Tec> any help on how to fix this?
[06:01:44] <tjb1> Im sorry, I can only tell you how to destroy it
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[06:02:41] <Aero-Tec> destroy?
[06:03:09] <Aero-Tec> how will that help?
[06:03:21] <Aero-Tec> could I rename it?
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[06:04:23] <Aero-Tec> if I can change the name I could do a save as possibly
[06:05:04] <Aero-Tec> with a file one might have to edit, why give ownership to root?
[06:05:19] <Aero-Tec> is there a way I can log in as root?
[06:05:36] <Aero-Tec> maybe su root
[06:06:06] <Aero-Tec> not sure if that is even a command
[06:06:35] <Aero-Tec> tjb1: you still there?
[06:06:57] <tjb1> Im sorry Aero-Tec, it was a joke…im horrible with linuxcnc
[06:07:13] <Aero-Tec> ok
[06:07:15] <Aero-Tec> np
[06:07:28] <tjb1> :)
[06:07:32] <Aero-Tec> will try a few thing and see how it goes
[06:07:41] <tjb1> 1. grab hammer 2. smash computer 3. ??? 4. profit!
[06:07:54] <Aero-Tec> lol
[06:08:11] <tjb1> adult swim is mighty weird :(
[06:08:12] <Aero-Tec> some day it sure is tempting
[06:08:24] <Aero-Tec> why?
[06:08:34] <tjb1> Im watching an ass with legs walk around and talk
[06:08:36] <Aero-Tec> you talking at the rec center?
[06:08:58] <tjb1> hmm?
[06:09:21] <Aero-Tec> your watching TV?
[06:09:43] <tjb1> Im in my dorm room
[06:09:44] <Aero-Tec> or you were at the pool?
[06:10:04] <tjb1> Its a show on adult swim called "Assey Mcgee"
[06:10:26] <Aero-Tec> never heard of it
[06:10:43] <tjb1> *assy
[06:11:04] <tjb1> me either…I think some of the people that work for adult swim do a little too many drugs
[06:12:10] <Aero-Tec> one time I was at the rec center swimming, when it ended I was in the change room and this retarded, for real, he was missing lots of blocks, or cards or what ever
[06:12:53] <Aero-Tec> he was walking around beating his manhood looking for a gay partner
[06:13:05] <Aero-Tec> that was weird
[06:14:27] <Aero-Tec> talk about advertizing, he had it down pat
[06:14:29] <Aero-Tec> lol
[06:14:48] <tjb1> missing lots of blocks?
[06:15:01] <Aero-Tec> he was simple
[06:15:05] <Aero-Tec> not all there
[06:15:21] <Aero-Tec> very low IQ
[06:18:06] <Aero-Tec> as far as I know every one ignored him, not sure as I ignored him so did not see if he found a playmate or not
[06:19:58] <Aero-Tec> going to bed now
[06:19:59] <Aero-Tec> night
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[06:26:15] <tjb1> night
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[07:39:56] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: alex_joni archivist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1HZztie5ac&feature=related
[07:41:10] <archivist> random video and no subject and I am on a data cap(price hike if over)
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[07:45:27] <Jymmm> It's a con shaped "screw" attached the hub of a car wheel up on jacks splitting logs pretty impressively
[07:45:30] <Jymmm> cone
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[07:58:07] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[08:51:05] <educasoft> Hi, is it possible that mail drom linuxcnc forum is down ? I try to register for hours now and there is not coming any mail to activate my account. I tried a lot of times with different mail accounts and I'm pretty sure there is ntothing wrong here with my mail or spam settings
[08:53:17] <archivist> forum has some anti spam
[08:53:34] <educasoft> I actually had a question I wanted to ask on forum. Currently I use linuxcnc with Axis, but is there a way that I could run linuxcnc in verbose command line mode? I mean if I know I want to send file myfile.nc to my lasercutter, can't I somehow start emc/linuxcnc from the terminal screen and give myfile.nc as param ?
[08:53:52] <educasoft> archivist, I did complete it multiple times and am 100% sure I did it right
[08:55:03] <archivist> the forum was getting thousands of registrations until the anti spam was upgraded, it may be too clever for its own good
[08:55:40] <educasoft> yes, but if I'm 100% sure that I did it correct, then I cannot access the forum ??
[08:56:17] <archivist> you may just need to wait for a moderator to ok
[08:56:59] <archivist> but having experimented I can see a moderator thinking spam :(
[08:57:52] <archivist> are you sure you want to run a machine that way with little ability to stop it etc
[08:57:55] <educasoft> Well I registered once, thats all, but then the system asked me to wait for the mail to arrive
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[08:58:11] <educasoft> archivist, yes, I am sure I want to run it that way
[08:58:23] <archivist> er once is not "I tried a lot of times"
[08:58:26] <educasoft> IF stop is needed I have hardware in place to shut down all signals
[08:58:46] <educasoft> I tried a lot of times to get that mail, by loggin in and then system tells me it will resend the mail
[08:59:53] <educasoft> anyway, if it needs to pass a moderator, then I guess it'll just take time :)
[09:01:22] <educasoft> archivist, is it possible to give .nc file as command line parameter and have linuxcnc start immediately executing that file ?
[09:02:13] <archivist> what state is the machine in
[09:03:41] <educasoft> the machine is nicely at its 0 point when I start linuxcnc
[09:03:59] <archivist> no homing?
[09:04:17] <educasoft> no, it is assumed that the machine is at x0 y0 z0 when starting
[09:04:36] <educasoft> its a laser cutter and I set the laser head with my hand to where on the plate I want to cut
[09:04:44] <educasoft> then the system assumes this to be 0,0
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[09:05:13] <archivist> that is touch off when under control
[09:05:41] <educasoft> I know that this risks me running too far in X and Y but my gcodes will only go max 200mm in X and Y and they do have more then 600mm of space
[09:06:00] <archivist> you wont know if your file will fit on remaining sheet that way
[09:06:17] <educasoft> yes I will, but I don't want linuxcnc to worry about that
[09:06:27] <educasoft> it will fit surely
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[09:06:41] <educasoft> I agree that normally you let linuxcnc keep an eye on that
[09:06:45] <archivist> it is open source you can modify to suit
[09:06:52] <educasoft> but here it is not
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[09:07:26] <educasoft> yes, I was hoping that you could just start ./linuxcnc myfile.nc and let it go do its work
[09:10:39] <archivist> once you have crashed a machine a few times you wont think that way
[09:12:39] <educasoft> well anyway, the only thing you told me is that its a bad idea (which I can understand if you don't know what I really want to do with it) but that was not actually the question. I do understand the risks but like i said security is built in in hardware, I don't need the soft to look for it
[09:14:25] <archivist> and I said the software is open source you can remove stuff and modify and there is a remote control method you could leverage
[09:15:49] <educasoft> ok tnx
[09:17:04] <cncbasher> educasoft: theirs reasons for software and hardware limits and control , and many of us using lasers
[09:18:18] <educasoft> yes, I do also understand these reasons, I don't want to say they are not needed
[09:18:34] <educasoft> with me they are built into the hardware when something would go wrong
[09:18:35] <Jymmm> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Emcrsh
[09:18:57] <educasoft> emcrsh works with 2.5.1 too? not only emc2 ?
[09:19:36] <cncbasher> emcrsh works with all versions
[09:19:44] <Jymmm> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man1/halcmd.1.html
[09:20:53] <Jymmm> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/22-pyvcp/18468-on-the-fly-command-line-control
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[09:21:59] <educasoft> ok thanks
[09:23:38] <cncbasher> educasoft: i run my lasers remotely just fine with emcrsh to a headless pc in the laser
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[09:26:53] <educasoft> and you login from a remote pc with a simple telnet client ?
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[09:30:16] <cncbasher> i run Axis as the front end ,the office is infact in a different building
[09:30:44] <cncbasher> look on the linuxcnc website the information is their and in the manuals
[09:32:00] <cncbasher> later ...
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[09:41:19] <cmorley1> cncbasher: what did you send me in the email?
[09:41:32] <cmorley1> it crashed firefox :)
[09:41:56] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[09:45:44] <archivist> I think it gets killed when it asks for too much memory sometimes
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[16:21:56] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[16:22:29] <IchGuckLive> tjb1: ?
[16:22:43] <tjb1> IchGuckLive: ?
[16:22:48] <IchGuckLive> and
[16:22:51] <IchGuckLive> does it home
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[16:26:16] <tjb1> Im not home
[16:27:26] <IchGuckLive> 2days ago dident you try since
[16:28:08] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Got Firewood? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1HZztie5ac&feature=related
[16:28:44] <IchGuckLive> im off By
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[16:44:01] <tjb1> http://www.wimp.com/crashlanding/
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[16:49:33] <Aero-Tec> need some help
[16:49:44] <archivist> ask a better question
[16:49:47] <Aero-Tec> I can not edit rtapi.conf
[16:50:09] <archivist> read error message, understand and react
[16:50:11] <Aero-Tec> I can load it into a editor but can not save it
[16:50:23] <Aero-Tec> it is owned by root
[16:50:32] <archivist> sudo is your friend
[16:50:49] <JT-Shop> sudo gedit pathtofile
[16:51:19] <Aero-Tec> thanks
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[17:07:23] <tjb1> Some of you may enjoy this, a security researcher gives a fake Antivirus company remote access to a virtual machine and records the whole thing - http://www.wimp.com/securityresearcher/
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[17:21:59] <Jymmm> LOL Muffin Monster... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibEdgQJEdTA&feature=endscreen&NR=1
[17:23:59] <tjb1> more like tampon monster
[17:24:52] <pcw_home> Dont think I would get my hands that close
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[17:26:32] <Jymmm> I love how the fiberglass starts pulling him into the machine
[17:27:19] <tjb1> I remember watching one of these chew up dead animals before
[17:29:14] <alex4nder> hey
[17:29:30] <Jymmm> wth? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLwaPP9cxT4&feature=related
[17:29:42] <Jymmm> ice cube in flames???
[17:30:34] <tjb1> Jymmm: Im now on how not to build a reprap
[17:30:38] <JT-Shop> nothing better than a hand full of fresh Gurley's
[17:30:43] <tjb1> Starting to get sucked into the weird youtube
[17:31:35] <Jymmm> tjb1: I'd suggest more of a why think about building a reprap in the first place
[17:33:55] <tjb1> To make money
[17:36:17] <Jymmm> tjb1: Get yourself a pair of fishnet stockings.
[17:36:35] <tjb1> That business is already full up here
[17:36:47] <L84Supper> http://singularityhub.com/2012/11/12/1-million-robots-to-replace-1-million-human-jobs-at-foxconn-first-robots-have-arrived/
[17:36:52] <Jymmm> tjb1: There's always room for improvement
[17:37:03] <tjb1> I dont believe I could improve it :)
[17:37:34] <Jymmm> tjb1: you just haven't tried hard enough
[17:37:37] <tjb1> L84Supper: Now they will be bitching about inhumane working environments for the robots caused by Apple
[17:38:01] <L84Supper> robot rebellion
[17:39:39] <tjb1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmSV2l6JFt0&NR=1&feature=endscreen
[17:44:25] <tjb1> Thats amazing ^
[17:49:48] <tjb1> Are they just floating paint on top of water?
[17:49:59] <Jymmm> yep
[17:53:32] <tjb1> I may have to try that
[17:57:23] <tjb1> They are just using enamel model paint
[17:58:24] <L84Supper> so do they make the pattern and then take a pic, then print it on the guitar with an inkjet?
[17:59:35] <tjb1> ?
[17:59:51] <tjb1> They dip the items into the pattern
[18:00:12] <tjb1> and the pattern in the water kind of rolls onto the surface
[18:00:32] <L84Supper> oh, like water film transfers
[18:00:40] <L84Supper> why did they just say so?
[18:01:22] <L84Supper> or didn't
[18:01:30] <tjb1> Its cool but if they are doing it this much I would make something to lower the item in at a consistent speed
[18:02:16] <tjb1> L84Supper: If you go to this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqCQ3wd8Tgw&feature=plcp and skip to 3:05
[18:03:34] <L84Supper> I didn't know that people still used that method
[18:06:12] <tjb1> Article I found says to dissolve 1 ounce of borax per gallon of water to help the paint stay on the surface
[18:06:22] <tjb1> they also thinned the enamel until it floated
[18:06:54] <Jymmm> If it's oil based enamel, it'll float.
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[18:07:26] <IchGuckLive> Hi all B)
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[18:10:28] <IchGuckLive> if been outside the last 2 hr aas the stars are bright and freesing cold nice 25 doc wakers (all Girls)also joint the telescope
[18:11:04] <tjb1> Jymmm: I think their droplets were too heavy or not breaking down fast enough
[18:11:24] <tjb1> IchGuckLive: Im at school from sunday afternoon until wednesday night, no access to my plasma cutter
[18:11:29] <Jymmm> tjb1: it's all trial and error.
[18:13:09] <tjb1> Now to find a container big enough that wasnt previously full of something bad :)
[18:13:44] <IchGuckLive> tjb1: NP
[18:14:28] <tjb1> IchGuckLive: Ill be home in 32 hours, if its warm enough I will try it then but it will probably wait until thursday morning :)
[18:14:53] <IchGuckLive> up2you
[18:17:02] <tjb1> I never got the emails
[18:18:19] <IchGuckLive> they did not return
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[18:19:54] <IchGuckLive> mails are marked as delivered
[18:20:04] <IchGuckLive> at the provider page
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[18:32:15] <IchGuckLive> Folks i recived mail from USA -> University of the Incarnate Word in San Antonio, Texas <- wants me to do a semester on CNC
[18:32:23] <IchGuckLive> someone knows this
[18:35:20] <jdh> seriouslY?
[18:35:59] <IchGuckLive> i got this mail to the university mailsystem
[18:37:13] <jdh> heh, it's a big catholic uni. Whackjobs.
[18:37:48] <Connor> do as in take it, or do as in teach it ?
[18:38:07] <tjb1> I dont see a CNC program there
[18:38:12] <tjb1> http://www.uiw.edu/home/academics/
[18:38:16] <jdh> Connor: what's up? Anything new and cool on your mill?
[18:39:04] <Connor> jdh: Not really.. Been major busy with work and life.. I managed to get the flood system mostly done.. I just need to make a mount for the line-lock nozzle.
[18:39:18] <IchGuckLive> Whackjobs i cant find a translation on this what does this meen
[18:39:25] <Connor> Need to finish up the bearing upgrade still. :)
[18:39:49] <jdh> still waiting on the lube? :)
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[18:40:39] <Connor> Waiting? Yea.. hoping it falls from the sky. :) More like just frustrated.. that and my hobby account was depleted of $$$
[18:40:48] <tjb1> IchGuckLive: www.pastebin.com the email
[18:41:04] <IchGuckLive> ok
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[18:41:12] <jdh> Ich: they rule their lives based on what some one told them a mythical cosmic being thought they should.
[18:41:29] <jdh> Ich: surely you are familiar with religion?
[18:41:32] <tjb1> IchGuckLive: Im talking about the one from the University
[18:42:16] <IchGuckLive> yes ok i see not interestet in Engeneers only in getting things together so REJEKT
[18:42:48] <Connor> Sounds like the trolled for you email from a CNC forum or mailing list..
[18:43:32] <jdh> My country is Germany. I have now in my possession the sum of sixteen million united states dollars($16M) which I recovered from one of our raids here in Afghanistan.
[18:43:48] <jdh> this guy is going to split that with me.
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[18:46:13] <IchGuckLive> i will call them and see what they want
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[19:02:03] <IchGuckLive> BY O.O B) :D
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[20:04:53] <Connor> jdh: So, Things on my todo list. Finish up the spindle upgrade. Finish up the Power Draw bard. Make a Chip Tray -- I'm trying to design one that extends out in the front so that it's deep enough so that the vise will be over it. And a new enclosure for the spindle motor controller.
[20:06:22] <archivist> and finish the todo list :)....never happens
[20:06:56] <Connor> Forgot to add on finish up the X, Y and Z home/limit switches. :)
[20:07:08] <jdh> Connor: cool. We have the same list. Give or take a 's/finish/start/g'
[20:07:20] <Connor> jdh: ROFL
[20:07:30] <jdh> only my X is hooked up.
[20:07:41] <Connor> Ditto.
[20:07:48] <Connor> Or is it the Y.
[20:07:53] <jdh> because it is trivial to mount
[20:07:59] <Connor> Yea. the X.
[20:08:05] <Connor> I've got stock to make the Y.
[20:08:18] <archivist> I remade the spindle mount on my cutter grinder today, was not stiff enough
[20:08:19] <jdh> I need a piece of 3mm plexi over my X prox
[20:08:33] <Connor> http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg239/abilander/Mill%20conversion/DSC_2271.jpg
[20:08:39] <Connor> is how I'm going to do the Y
[20:09:03] <jdh> I have thos pics bookmarked for mine also.
[20:09:43] <Connor> Looks easy enough to make..
[20:09:46] <jdh> I got some 1"x.5 and .75x.75 stock.
[20:10:11] <jdh> I think my slot cutter is too wide though
[20:10:48] <Connor> 3/4" x 1.5" abd 3/4" x 1" is what I got.
[20:10:49] <andypugh> Perhaps demonstrating my lack of scheduling skills, the _only_ part of my Mill working properly is the power drawbar :-)
[20:11:20] <jdh> I should have done some relative measurements first.
[20:11:40] <jdh> or look in the cutoff bin here.
[20:12:36] <jdh> I'm taking vacation noon tomorrow until Nov 26.
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[20:46:24] <Connor> jdh: Work for myself.. No Vacation for me. :( I Used the photo to try to determine the sizes.. Not 100% sure I got it right.
[20:47:38] <jdh> tht's what I meant by relative measurements.
[20:48:14] <jdh> it just needs to match your slot cutter and flag pieces.\
[20:48:31] <JT-Shop> in the python interface does reset_interpreter() reload the G code file?
[20:49:08] <Connor> Oh. I also want to make a new way cover.. Made from sheet metal/alum hinged from the back of the saddle -- Telescoping style.
[20:50:58] <jdh> we have a cnc-like engraver that has a roll-up way cover
[20:51:18] <jdh> like roll-up blinds kind of.
[20:51:51] <Connor> You'll have to take some pictures of that..
[20:52:11] <jdh> can't take pics here.
[20:52:32] <Connor> Oh. Shoot. Maybe find a manufacture picture of it then.
[20:55:34] <jdh> http://skirting-and-bellows.com/industrial-roll-up-curtains/
[20:55:42] <jdh> kind of like the top one, but sized appropriately
[20:56:05] <Connor> http://www.gortite.com/roll-up-covers
[20:57:04] <jdh> yeah, like that more or less
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[21:01:23] <Connor> http://bit.ly/ZonSNx
[21:02:10] <Connor> Think that would work ?
[21:02:50] <jdh> doubt it woudl last long
[21:03:11] <Connor> Fabric, or the spring retract ?
[21:03:12] <jdh> and they probably take up too much room
[21:03:14] <jdh> fabric
[21:03:39] <Connor> 12mil Vinyl..
[21:03:48] <Connor> You can cut them to width at the store.
[21:04:38] <Connor> only issue I see is it wouldn't offer any protection on the sides...
[21:05:49] <Connor> I may go look at one of those tonight...
[21:11:42] <jdh> I'd still like to be able to mill a half decent PCB
[21:12:03] <jdh> which is why I started this in the first place.
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[21:22:25] <Connor> ROFL
[21:22:50] <Connor> and what was the PCB for ?
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[21:28:34] <andypugh> I was going to make a clock. That was 3 years ago.
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[21:35:09] <Connor> Any ideas on how to seal up the sides ?
[21:36:44] <Connor> I guess if it was wide enough... it wouldn't matter...
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[21:44:03] <JT-Shop> amazing bit just rapided through 1/2" of steel and is not hurt
[21:46:33] <Tom_itx> is there a hp or such calculator to determine depth and width of cut in various materials?
[21:47:28] <Tom_itx> on rough cuts what percent of the tool do you use per pass as a rule and how deep of cuts do you make?
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[21:52:51] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[21:53:07] <tjb1> Tom_itx: www.custompartnet.com has HP calculators
[21:53:21] <tjb1> They determine hp needed for depth and width of cut
[21:53:50] <tjb1> Direct link to it - http://www.custompartnet.com/calculator/milling-horsepower
[21:54:43] <Tom_itx> i've got 5 or 6 'slide rule' calculators here for that i just kinda wanted some input
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[21:55:39] <Tom_itx> i've got that one bookmarked already
[21:56:19] <tjb1> Do you know what bend deduction is in this - http://www.custompartnet.com/calculator/bend-allowance
[21:57:14] <Tom_itx> ?
[21:57:52] <tjb1> bend deduction
[21:58:00] <Tom_itx> no but when we made hydropress forms i think we generally used 2 or 3 degrees
[21:58:35] <Tom_itx> for springback
[21:59:03] <Tom_itx> The amount a piece of material has been stretched by bending, equal to the difference between the mold line distance to each edge and the total flat length.
[21:59:20] <Tom_itx> tjb1, read the dialog at the bottom with the cursor in the box
[21:59:46] <tjb1> Oh didnt know that updated for each box
[21:59:48] <Aero-Tec> there looks to be lots of changes between 2.4 and 2.5, is there anything I should be looking or at that could bite me when I make chips?
[22:00:11] <Aero-Tec> also I am using a 2.4 config with 2.5
[22:00:18] <Aero-Tec> will that be a problem?
[22:00:32] <Tom_itx> i'd certainly do a dry run first
[22:00:44] <Tom_itx> but i'm not aware of anything critical
[22:00:46] <Aero-Tec> or sould I make a 2.5 config and move things I need to move to the new config?
[22:01:05] <Tom_itx> i'd save the old one and use it to make a new one
[22:01:20] <Tom_itx> just in case
[22:01:24] <Aero-Tec> it was a custom config
[22:02:05] <Aero-Tec> I see with the test config I made in 2.5 that there is some sort of 3D model of a mill
[22:02:12] <Aero-Tec> what is that all about
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[22:02:43] <Tom_itx> i did mine manually, i dunno
[22:02:51] <Aero-Tec> the 2.5 does not make the mill model when I use the 2.4 config but does with the 2.5
[22:04:16] <Aero-Tec> ok will do a 2.5 config and then move what I need over to the new config
[22:04:53] <Tom_itx> maybe your best bet
[22:05:47] <Aero-Tec> that 3D model, does it move or do anything other then look nice?
[22:06:17] <Aero-Tec> does it move with cutting code or anything?
[22:07:07] <tjb1> maybe like the mastercam x5-x6 machine simulation?
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[22:07:48] <Tom_itx> not sure what model you're referring to
[22:08:05] <Tom_itx> the cutter path?
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[22:32:14] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: The 2.4 config ought to work.
[22:32:27] <Aero-Tec> thanks
[22:33:11] <Aero-Tec> i think I did a 5 axis sim config
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[22:33:29] <Aero-Tec> that would be why the 3D model
[22:33:30] <andypugh> You need to rename the emc directory to linuxcnc (all lower-case)
[22:33:40] <andypugh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.5
[22:34:15] <mevon> hi everyone, i have troubles configuring a HAL arduino component, can anyone help^
[22:34:16] <mevon> ?
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[22:34:41] <andypugh> Which Component?
[22:35:00] <andypugh> I guess you mean the USB stepper one, not jeplers pure IO one?
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[22:50:43] <mevon> hi andypugh, i meant the arduino one, sry for the delay
[22:52:20] <andypugh> There are no Arduino components that are part of the LinuxCNC project. So which of the many other ones do you mean?
[22:52:33] <mevon> any idea on this error? "custom.hal:85: Pin 'axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in' does not exist"
[22:53:00] <mevon> andypugh, Im looking to make the emc2arduino project work
[22:53:10] <andypugh> what that means is that the pin does not exist
[22:53:24] <mevon> ok but how can I create it
[22:53:27] <andypugh> Which is strange.
[22:53:42] <andypugh> I am having a desperate case of deja-vu
[22:54:02] <mevon> yeah i ask for the same issue last week :S
[22:54:04] <andypugh> Haven't we been here before, with me telling you that you need both HAL files?
[22:54:14] <mevon> yes
[22:54:24] <andypugh> Well, at a guess, the same solution as last week will work again.
[22:54:40] <mevon> but i couldnt create create the first one correctly
[22:55:08] <mevon> so i tried with sim ones
[22:55:15] <andypugh> Have you read the HAL documentation? (Have you read any documentation?)
[22:55:17] <mevon> did not work better
[22:55:34] <mevon> yes tried to understand the basic of HAL
[22:55:53] <mevon> net is for creating net
[22:56:00] <mevon> or new connections
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[22:56:18] <andypugh> My guess is that you don't have an axis.0...... pin because no HAL file loads the "motion" module.
[22:56:24] <mevon> and since i havent created nothing beforehand, i do not understand why it doesnt work
[22:56:43] <mevon> oh so the motion module is missing
[22:56:50] <andypugh> At a guess
[22:57:10] <mevon> in the sim ones there mentioning somekind of motion modules
[22:57:23] <mevon> and makes connection related to speed and accel
[22:57:24] <andypugh> How did you create the current HAL file?
[22:57:57] <mevon> custom.hal is given in the project zip file
[22:58:03] <mevon> mod it to my needs
[22:58:24] <andypugh> This is the way that that Arduino thing expects to be used.
[22:58:28] <mevon> the instruction.txt sasys to create the machine first with the stepconf
[22:58:56] <mevon> then add custom.hal in the ini
[22:59:18] <andypugh> 1) Create a config with stepconf. Don't pay much attention to exactly which parallel port pins you use, but you do need to connect up every step, direction, limit etc pin to some p-port pin or other.
[22:59:36] <andypugh> 2) Replace the default custom.hal with the new one.
[22:59:44] <andypugh> 4) Make profit.
[23:01:03] <mevon> andypugh, i have 6 limit switches so I need 6 inputs on parallel port can you help me with that please?
[23:01:35] <andypugh> Just add a second "pretend" parallel port
[23:01:52] <mevon> hummm ok nice ill try that
[23:02:37] <andypugh> Though that might not work, as the supplied "custom.hal" may assume shared switches.
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[23:03:35] <andypugh> You might have to actually read both HAL files, and put the custom.hal changes into the main HAL. (ie, instead of making a net then deleting it, make it the right way in the first place)
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[23:04:24] <mevon> ok want me to pastebin the custom.hal i have?
[23:04:32] <andypugh> My worry is that the whole thing might not work though. If the author had asked the LinuxCNC devs for advice it would probably have been "don't try"
[23:05:04] <andypugh> No, I want you to sort it out for yourself, and I can get back to the other LinuxCNC stuff I am working on.
[23:05:27] <mevon> ok thank you
[23:05:37] <andypugh> Every time you get a message it tells you what is wrong, you just need to work through the errors.
[23:05:58] <mevon> i removed the unlinks
[23:06:20] <mevon> what is the pyVCP panel?
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[23:07:53] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/pyvcp.html
[23:08:55] <mevon> thank you very much
[23:11:56] <Aero-Tec> I did the SMI update and now the jitter went from 100+K to 230+K
[23:12:29] <Aero-Tec> before wirh version 2.4 it went down to 38K or something
[23:12:54] <Aero-Tec> maybe 45K not sure but it was lower
[23:13:35] <Aero-Tec> why would the tester for 2.5 show a increase in jitter with the SMI changes?
[23:13:58] <Aero-Tec> also EMC complains as well
[23:14:46] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: Did you change the right file?
[23:15:01] <Aero-Tec> I was wondering about that
[23:15:11] <andypugh> "which rtapi.conf"
[23:15:15] <Aero-Tec> but it was 100K before and now 230K
[23:15:29] <Aero-Tec> so something changed
[23:15:37] <andypugh> What did you change?
[23:16:05] <andypugh> Same Ubuntu, same kernel, just a new LinuxCNC?
[23:16:59] <Aero-Tec> I upgraded EMC to 2.5
[23:17:27] <Aero-Tec> no systems change or upgrade
[23:17:39] <Aero-Tec> amd yes the right file
[23:17:52] <mevon> seems like the MOTION is giving me errors I have a "joint 0 on limit switch error"
[23:18:02] <Aero-Tec> just checked the docs
[23:18:11] <andypugh> if you start linuxcnc then lsmod, do you see the smi module loaded?
[23:18:50] <Aero-Tec> will check
[23:18:56] <andypugh> mevon: Is joint 0 on the limit switch?
[23:19:03] <Aero-Tec> do I need to reboot computer?
[23:19:25] <Aero-Tec> I had run 2.4 and did not reboot after upgrade
[23:19:54] <andypugh> I don't see why it would be necessary, but it can't hurt
[23:19:59] <mevon> andypugh, Im affraid I cannot answer your question, I have 3 axis with 2 limit sw each, min and max
[23:20:46] <andypugh> LinuxCNC thinks that one of your limit switches is set. Is it?
[23:21:35] <mevon> humm not really
[23:21:54] <mevon> think it might be arduino firmware related
[23:22:36] <mevon> should probly send a first status string to the python driver
[23:22:43] <andypugh> You probably need to invert the sense of that input. Presumably the docs for the Arduino thing tell you how. Probably a setp command in the HAL file.
[23:22:50] <mevon> to set the sw states in the first place
[23:23:24] <mevon> how the sketch is made, sw status is sent before moving
[23:23:49] <mevon> so if no moves have been made, no status actualy exists
[23:24:17] <mevon> and status is sent only when diff from previous state
[23:24:39] <mevon> switches are not constently pooled
[23:24:54] <mevon> only e-stop and other controls are
[23:25:14] <mevon> guess its a flaw in the arduino
[23:25:43] <mevon> should send the sw status in setup()
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[23:27:16] <Aero-Tec> looks like SMI is not loaded
[23:27:34] <Aero-Tec> I double checked the file and it looks good
[23:27:37] <andypugh> you are looking for rtapi_smi.ko
[23:28:00] <andypugh> You may have more than one rtapi.conf
[23:28:22] <Aero-Tec> etc/linuxcnc/rtapi.conf
[23:28:27] <andypugh> Is your system compiled run-in-place?
[23:28:47] <Aero-Tec> I used a live CD to install 2.4
[23:29:07] <Aero-Tec> I followed the upgrade instructions to upgrade to 2.5
[23:29:27] <Aero-Tec> does that mean it is live CD or run in place?
[23:29:29] <tjb1> Is there any benefit to 2.5?
[23:29:55] <Aero-Tec> not sure
[23:30:13] <Aero-Tec> there are some differences for sure
[23:30:40] <Aero-Tec> what does run in place mean?
[23:31:07] <Aero-Tec> and is mine that now with the upgrade?
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[23:31:56] <andypugh> No, you only get run-in-place if you compile from source. It means everything is in a directory in your home, not all over the system disc
[23:32:12] <andypugh> sudo find / -name rtapi.conf
[23:32:38] <Aero-Tec> there are lots of them
[23:32:39] <andypugh> You probably have one in etc/emc and one in etc/linuxcnc
[23:32:46] <Aero-Tec> I did a few backups
[23:33:05] <Aero-Tec> most likely
[23:33:06] <andypugh> I would guess that rtapi is still looking at the /etc/emc one
[23:33:20] <Aero-Tec> but it shold be good
[23:33:31] <Aero-Tec> I had SMI running bafore
[23:33:36] <andypugh> (though that should still have your changes in, so perhaps not?)
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[23:34:38] <andypugh> if you which rtapi.conf does it accidentally find one of your backups?
[23:34:58] <Aero-Tec> can I remote my windows computer here to the linux one in the shop?
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[23:35:05] <Aero-Tec> would save running and time
[23:35:12] <andypugh> (Forget that, that probably won't work at all)
[23:35:34] <ipatrol> I have an issue trying to work with a GERBER file
[23:35:38] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: Yeah, probably. I VNC into my workship computers all the time.
[23:36:18] <andypugh> ipatrol: There are utils to change gerber to G-code
[23:36:21] <Aero-Tec> is that hard to set up?
[23:36:41] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: I don't know, I don't use Windows
[23:36:46] <ipatrol> I have an old Boxford CNC machine, ever heard of it?
[23:36:55] <andypugh> (Except at work, where I don't get to configure stuff)
[23:37:15] <andypugh> Yes, Boxford are in my old home town.
[23:37:20] <ipatrol> funny
[23:37:37] <Aero-Tec> would VNC give remote desktop like access?
[23:37:41] <andypugh> Yes
[23:37:48] <ipatrol> www.boxford.co.uk
[23:38:00] <andypugh> That's the one. In Brighouse.
[23:38:17] <Valen> my dad has used VNC with the mill computer, even moved it around to use the webcam to look at a part on the bed
[23:38:23] <ipatrol> mabye the company is based there?
[23:38:25] <ipatrol> anyway
[23:39:37] <andypugh> We only really know anything about LinuxCNC, if you are still using the Boxford software then we probably have no clues.
[23:40:29] <ipatrol> no, Boxford is the manufacturer of the physical machine
[23:41:04] <ipatrol> I use KiCAD to lay out PCBs
[23:42:03] <andypugh> The Boxford machines come with a controller that takes G-code or their own CAM system and controlls the machine with a serial port. Has your machine been converted to LinuxCNC?
[23:42:43] <ipatrol> I can't find a controller for this machine
[23:43:10] <ipatrol> it seems to use an RS232 to send an undocumented binary file generated by their software
[23:43:19] <andypugh> Yes, it does.
[23:43:42] <ipatrol> I got the machine second-hand from a friend, not my choice
[23:44:05] <andypugh> I would pull out the original control board (6802 based, I think) and replace it with a Mini-ITX PC board. Keep the original motors and drives.
[23:44:43] <ipatrol> andypugh: any cost estimates on that?
[23:45:16] <andypugh> $200?
[23:45:30] <ipatrol> that's more than I paid him for!
[23:45:53] <andypugh> You got a bargain then, check the prices on eBay
[23:46:13] <ipatrol> I know what the new price it
[23:46:14] <ipatrol> *is
[23:46:34] <ipatrol> $100 in cash and a case of beer was what I paid
[23:47:22] <andypugh> I see a completed listing on eBay that sold at £4000 ($7000)
[23:47:45] <Aero-Tec> so any ideas why SMI is not being loaded?
[23:50:35] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: dmesg might say.
[23:51:04] <andypugh> Do a sudo dmesg -c to clear the buffer, then halrun, then exit, then look at dmesg
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[23:53:54] <ipatrol_> since of course the company won't tell my, wgw/os
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[23:58:40] <Aero-Tec> found it
[23:59:06] <Aero-Tec> dyslexic moment
[23:59:14] <Aero-Tec> small error
[23:59:54] <Aero-Tec> when EMC looks for module that is not there the jitter increases