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[00:01:34] <jthornton> I need to CNC the surface grinder once it is back together
[00:02:33] <andypugh> There probably aren't many of those.
[00:02:47] <andypugh> Most have at least 2 aut-axes
[00:02:53] <andypugh> (auto-axes)
[00:03:20] <andypugh> Bonus marks for web-cam based auto-stroke.
[00:03:46] <jthornton> yea, I don't think I want to go that far just have the X and Y be automagic
[00:04:02] <andypugh> They aren't already?
[00:04:19] <jthornton> totally hand operated
[00:04:35] <andypugh> How strange
[00:04:47] <jthornton> I figure a couple of steppers would do the trick
[00:05:13] <andypugh> I would err towards step-servoing the X
[00:05:56] <jthornton> it has a belt reduction now and the handle is pretty easy to move
[00:06:37] <andypugh> (Actually, perhaps a VFD and AC motor, I have worked with at least one that just plug-reversed a 3-phase motor with a cam switch)
[00:09:17] <jthornton> maybe do something with my ardunio, G203v and a nema 23 stepper... for X to see
[00:09:26] * jthornton goes back to the kitchen
[00:10:17] <roh> should be harder mechanically than electric/electronic nowadays
[00:10:40] <roh> btw.. we also got chairs
http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Raumfahrtagentur
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[00:47:15] <andypugh> I really ought to get in touch with my local Hackerspace. Apart from anything else they have a Stratasys machine
[01:08:06] <andypugh> seb_kuzminsky: I just noticed that hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/bitfile.h includes <linux/firmware.h> and hostmot2/bitfile.c includes <linux/firmware.h> _and_ bitfile.h. Does that make sense?
[01:08:44] <andypugh> Also, we have two very different bitfile.h and bitfile.c pairs, one in hostmot2 and one in hal/utils.
[01:09:39] <andypugh> I know just enough to know that I don't know if that makes sense.
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[01:23:03] <roh> andypugh: wow.. how could they afford something nice like that (and the material supply pricing) ?
[01:23:27] <andypugh> I don't know.
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[01:24:46] <andypugh> Hmm, 1c free delivery from China? How does that work?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Free-500pcs-Black-Snap-Lock-Pin-Security-Loop-Plastic-Tag-Fastener-5-130mm-C63-/110977720593?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19d6c9a111
[01:26:02] <andypugh> Ah, I know, they already bid their reserve themselves.
[01:26:19] <Tom_itx> andypugh
[01:26:27] <Tom_itx> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=51626&d=1201239292
[01:26:36] <Tom_itx> how would you drive such a beast?
[01:26:51] <andypugh> With the right drive.
[01:26:55] <Tom_itx> heh
[01:27:09] <andypugh> 5-phase steppers are apparently quite good.
[01:27:14] <Tom_itx> most bldc are 3 phase though
[01:27:31] <roh> well.. its just one half bridge per pin.. so whats the worries?
[01:27:33] <Tom_itx> have you seen any drivers for them?
[01:27:57] <andypugh> Yes
[01:28:57] <andypugh> (many on eBay)
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[03:04:20] <Tecan> tjb1 you around ?
[03:04:27] <tjb1> always
[03:04:38] <Tecan> lol :)
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[03:05:11] <Tecan> check pm
[03:05:25] <Tecan> want to pick ur brain on thc
[03:05:57] <tjb1> you can try
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[03:24:19] <mevon> yay arduino cnc is alive. implamenting pos-fb now :)))
[03:25:42] <mevon> id like to thank andypugh for being such an... a good advisor and telling me that I couldnt do it, that just did it :P
[03:26:12] <mevon> oinks!
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[03:36:49] <jdh> what did you do?
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[03:39:51] <roh> gnnnh. fsck. this machine has nearly 1ms jitter on the latency test for the 1ms thread. *sigh*
[03:43:50] <Tom_itx> mevon what firmware did you use?
[03:46:12] <Tecan> would a good jitter cause the gcode to not get processed or would it be like da daaa da dad ad
[03:46:21] <Tecan> on the cnc
[03:49:13] <Tecan> would a jitter cause machine damage ?
[03:51:00] <roh> what i don't get.. its near exactly the same chipset
[03:51:09] <roh> via kt400 vs km400
[03:51:53] <roh> kt400 on the mill which is working fine for a long time now (old 8.04 setup)
[03:52:09] <roh> km400 on the machine which drives the lasercutter
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[04:01:39] <mevon> Tom_itx, sanguino
[04:02:40] <pcw_home> Jitter mainly causes stalls with software step generation but also position noise in servo systems when in motion
[04:04:12] <Tom_itx> mevon what software?
[04:04:15] <Tom_itx> marlin?
[04:04:16] <roh> oh. stupid me... acpi is still enabled
[04:05:13] <mevon> Tom_itx, it is EMC2Arduino I am tweaking
[04:05:44] <Tom_itx> what chip does sanguino use?
[04:06:00] <Tom_itx> is it the one with the usb chip on it...1287
[04:06:26] <mevon> atmega644
[04:06:41] <mevon> pdip 20 MHz
[04:06:52] <mevon> over usb
[04:07:12] <Tom_itx> stick a sd on it
[04:07:15] <Tom_itx> and you won't need usb
[04:07:46] <mevon> nah I still need linuxcnc
[04:07:49] <mevon> :S
[04:08:06] <jdh> what does it do?
[04:09:05] <roh> fsck. thats not it
[04:09:06] <mevon> for now Im engraving pcbs
[04:09:32] <jdh> what does the arduino do?
[04:09:57] <Tom_itx> controls the steppers etc
[04:10:04] <jdh> why?
[04:10:13] <Tom_itx> because it can
[04:11:55] <roh> think mesa for poor people (no pun intended)
[04:12:48] <jdh> 7i43 quantity 1 is $79
[04:13:13] <jdh> find 4 other cheap bastards and they are $63/each
[04:13:31] <roh> jdh: i know. just saying.
[04:13:54] <roh> btw.. would a mesa board make using a machine with 1ms jitter feasible?
[04:14:07] <roh> or should i rather go hunt for another 10 year old pc?
[04:14:43] <jdh> SERVO_PERIOD = 1000000
[04:14:53] <jdh> that's my 7i43
[04:15:13] <roh> well.. does it hurt if its nearly 2ms sometimes? ;)
[04:15:28] <jdh> throw it away.
[04:15:54] <roh> *g*.. i need to keep it for now. its what the laser runs on when winxp is booted atm
[04:16:24] <Tom_itx> jdh, i suppose it's the challenge of it
[04:16:36] <roh> just hoped i can keep the machine, since its really similar to the one which runs emc fine. did anything change from 2.3.1 to 2.5.1 regarding old amd crud with via chipsets?
[04:17:02] <jdh> are you two talking about the same thing?
[04:17:26] <jdh> <mevon> yay arduino cnc is alive. implamenting pos-fb now :)))
[04:17:28] <Tom_itx> who two
[04:17:33] <Tom_itx> you two?
[04:17:52] <jdh> what does arduino cnc do? interpret gcode? motion planner? io?
[04:18:27] <Tom_itx> yeah
[04:18:38] <mevon> 3axis /w servo actuators
[04:18:43] <mevon> and switches
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[04:19:11] <mevon> it can go to 9axis but not sure how rly
[04:20:00] <mevon> i also integrated the stepper driver controller in the arduino so I use 2 Hbridge motor drive for the stepper
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[04:20:40] <jdh> 4 IO per axis?
[04:20:40] <mevon> so maybe I could make it to 4axis easily
[04:20:45] <mevon> 5
[04:21:04] <mevon> enable
[04:21:15] <mevon> I mean I got the enable
[04:21:26] <mevon> on the drives
[04:21:52] <jdh> was it fun?
[04:22:22] <jdh> 'fun' counts for about 79% for me :)
[04:22:59] <roh> well.. its quite a bit more till one has pins on the desk.
[04:23:58] <roh> 85€+vat+shipping for me for a 7i43
[04:38:38] <mevon> it still is :P gotta learn some more python now ttyl
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[05:43:13] <r00t4rd3d> I made a speaker:
http://i.imgur.com/rqZP0.jpg
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[05:46:27] <tjb1> whats that crap in the middle?
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[05:52:29] <r00t4rd3d> your envy
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[05:58:16] <tjb1> lulz
[05:58:31] <tjb1> are those real speakers or is that just one of those amplifier boxes?
[05:58:48] <r00t4rd3d> hollow box
[05:58:57] <r00t4rd3d> like your head
[05:59:00] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[05:59:50] <tjb1> cheap shots huh
[06:00:02] <r00t4rd3d> I was expecting you to be eating twinkies in your video
[06:00:24] <r00t4rd3d> "THC is working..."
[06:00:39] <tjb1> twinkies huh?
[06:03:04] <tjb1> I would get into the details but you might get confused :P
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[06:03:34] <roh> meh.. i guess i'm gonna hunt for d525mw on ebay then *sigh*
[06:04:45] <tjb1> roh:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200542103383?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
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[06:05:08] <r00t4rd3d> i got mine from him too
[06:05:11] <roh> tjb1: thats 40$ shipping. i'm in europe
[06:05:24] <tjb1> Well thats unfortunate
[06:05:39] <r00t4rd3d> newegg has them too, do they have international warehouse?
[06:05:45] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: how do you turn your router on?
[06:05:56] <r00t4rd3d> my thumb normally.
[06:06:15] <tjb1> Wow, couldnt integrate that? :P
[06:06:29] <r00t4rd3d> no need to overly complicate things
[06:06:39] <r00t4rd3d> the switch works just fine
[06:06:56] <tjb1> 3 months until chinese new year…get all your orders in
[06:07:26] <r00t4rd3d> i could probably do it with a arduino and a powertail switch
[06:08:07] <tjb1> powertail eh
[06:08:28] <tjb1> $26!
[06:08:29] <r00t4rd3d> makes it easier and sealed
[06:08:55] <tjb1> Do you need to switch all 3 wires?
[06:09:09] <r00t4rd3d> nah just 1
[06:10:05] <r00t4rd3d> just like hooking it upto a common light switch
[06:10:17] <tjb1> http://www.ebay.com/itm/290739764281?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[06:10:19] <tjb1> Done.
[06:10:31] <r00t4rd3d> make a hal on/off button that sends a high/low to the arduino.. is that possible?
[06:10:39] <tjb1> I imagine
[06:10:47] <roh> fsck. that doesnt work out.
[06:10:54] <roh> i need dvi video anyhow.
[06:11:02] <tjb1> Through the parallel port r00t4rd3d ?
[06:11:20] <r00t4rd3d> could be
[06:11:45] <tjb1> I have to use 5v relays with my cnc4pc BOB
[06:12:04] <tjb1> Good thing I have 2 outputs on the g540
[06:12:34] <r00t4rd3d> you see i comment in your thread lol
[06:12:35] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: just buy that relay
[06:13:33] <tjb1> $8 vs $26
[06:14:13] <r00t4rd3d> can you switch that with just the parallel port?
[06:14:55] <r00t4rd3d> id rather do that for the vacuum
[06:14:56] <tjb1> no
[06:15:26] <tjb1> what BOB are you using?
[06:15:34] <r00t4rd3d> wtf is bob
[06:15:38] <r00t4rd3d> bobs not here
[06:20:11] <tjb1> break.out.board
[06:20:32] <r00t4rd3d> tb6560
[06:21:02] <r00t4rd3d> i have a spindle control on that lol
[06:21:09] <tjb1> big fan of ebay parts arent you
[06:21:19] <r00t4rd3d> i forgot, its only like 36v or something
[06:22:14] <tjb1> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300410191798
[06:24:30] <tjb1> thats a nice wiring diagram
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[06:27:06] <abetusk> what is a spoilboard?
[06:27:25] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: "The PCB even has a Relay interface so you can control a 120V - 220V spindle with Mach3 or EMC."
[06:27:34] <tjb1> the surface of cnc routers
[06:27:39] <tjb1> oftten cut into
[06:28:28] <tjb1> Usually a sheet of mdf that is placed and then the router faces the whole sheet to make a surface that is flat
[06:29:20] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: you should have your router plumbed in now
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[06:31:05] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[06:31:23] <tjb1> evenin'
[06:32:36] <Loetmichel> tjb1: depends on your point of living, i think. $me has just gotten up, morning coffee is brewing...
[06:32:52] <abetusk> what is mean for a router to face a whole sheet?
[06:32:58] <tjb1> its 1:30am here
[06:33:02] <Loetmichel> its 07:33 over here ;)
[06:33:04] <tjb1> abetusk: To cut the whole sheet
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[06:33:11] <abetusk> to level it?
[06:33:18] <tjb1> yes
[06:33:23] <abetusk> ah, thank you
[06:34:18] <Loetmichel> MDF does not really like cooling fluids, though
[06:34:40] <Loetmichel> but i had used it as sacrifical plate beneath the workepiece also
[06:35:00] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4935
[06:35:07] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4938
[06:35:12] <tjb1> most people that use mdf probably arent cutting anything that requires cutting fluid :P
[06:35:49] <tjb1> I want to throw water on r00t4rd3d's router and watch it expand :D
[06:36:48] <Loetmichel> the rectangle pattern is serving a dual pourpose: knowing you had mounted your workpiece straight to the edge AND allowing airflow beneath the workpiece, so the vacuum can get the swarf out
[06:37:13] <tjb1> Loetmichel: did you know you can suck a vacuum through mdf?
[06:37:14] <Loetmichel> tjb1: bah, you're bad!
[06:37:33] <Loetmichel> tjb1: not enought for the dust vacuum ti operate
[06:37:36] <Loetmichel> to
[06:37:49] <Loetmichel> and yes, i know.
[06:37:58] <tjb1> not for dust but some use it for vacuum holding
[06:38:08] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/hajo/vakuumFEST.avi
[06:38:12] <Loetmichel> me too
[06:38:52] <tjb1> video wont load for me
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[06:46:47] <Loetmichel> tjb1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJmBF8HzWoc
[06:46:49] <Loetmichel> better?
[06:47:38] <Loetmichel> underneath the 5mm MDF it looks loke this:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8214
[06:49:45] <tjb1> laser cut?
[06:49:57] <Loetmichel> cnc milled
[06:50:42] <tjb1> How big of a vacuum is that?
[06:50:53] <Loetmichel> the support box is made of 1/4" and 1/8" melamin reinforced paper (FR2)
[06:51:09] <Loetmichel> vacuum cleaner, about -0,3 Bar
[06:52:32] <tjb1> too late at night for metric :)
[06:52:40] <tjb1> ill figure that out in the morning
[06:53:38] <Loetmichel> tjb1: ask google: about -4,5 psi
[06:54:26] <tjb1> How thick is your top on the vacuum box
[06:54:32] <Loetmichel> 5mm
[06:54:41] <Loetmichel> just a bit below 1/4"
[06:55:32] <Loetmichel> and faced over both sides a few tenths to get the pores open
[06:56:19] <tjb1> I dont have room for a box like that on mine…I do have enough extrusion to make a small router
[06:57:59] <tjb1> im out, good night all
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[06:58:12] <Loetmichel> *shi**... its 07:55 over here... have to be in the company at 08:00... and have a ~15min commute... *pours down his coffe, running to be at least not much late...
[07:01:54] <psha> Loetmichel: hm, 11:01 here, have to be in the company at 9:00...
[07:02:34] * psha making another cup of tee since already too much late
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[07:41:00] <Loetmichel> psha: hrhr
[07:41:47] <Loetmichel> <- arrived at the company... its bad that i have a commute where the traffic jams every morning
[07:41:58] <Loetmichel> and no way around
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[07:57:03] <r00t4rd3d> http://qoou.net/images/2012/11/20/0Elx.jpg
[07:57:06] <r00t4rd3d> lol
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[08:05:05] <Loetmichel> ?
[08:08:13] <r00t4rd3d> mitt romney
[08:08:36] <r00t4rd3d> taken yesterday
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[08:19:55] <Loetmichel> ah.
[08:20:18] <Loetmichel> <- german, so i dont recognized him,
[08:20:45] <Loetmichel> but why shouldnt he get fuel like everybody else?
[08:20:57] <Loetmichel> s/dont/didnt
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[10:44:07] <DJ9DJ> moin
[10:51:28] <mazafaka> moin
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[13:58:43] <FinboySlick> Good morning everyone!
[14:01:20] <jdh> GOOD $TIME_OF_DAY to you SIR.
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[15:43:16] <archivist> hmm lots of axes
https://www.apexauctions.co.uk/auction/itemDetails.htm?lotId=88499&utm_source=Pure&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Witzig_&_Frank
[15:51:56] <mazafaka> are they really needed? For some sort of details maybe...
[15:53:00] <pcw_home> Hmm thats a little on the big side
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[16:24:27] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[19:04:07] <IchGuckLive> heavy posting today O.O
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[19:04:53] <yoyoek1> hi
[19:05:06] <IchGuckLive> Hi
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[19:14:05] <yoyoek1> new release of mgcodegenerator :) big improvement in 3d bake :) and pockets
[19:14:57] <IchGuckLive> does this run under 10.04
[19:15:36] <yoyoek1> if you have blender 2.49b then yes
[19:15:59] <IchGuckLive> oh on 2.49b this is realy old stuff
[19:16:09] <IchGuckLive> 2.64 inside
[19:16:30] <yoyoek1> you can have both versions parallel
[19:16:42] <IchGuckLive> i know i got them all
[19:16:58] <IchGuckLive> where is the new script
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[19:17:36] <yoyoek1> aa :) ye one sec :P
[19:18:14] <IchGuckLive> oh you are the one that is writing it
[19:18:19] <yoyoek1> ok corrected
[19:18:49] <yoyoek1> yes I'm autor
[19:18:52] <IchGuckLive> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?GcodeGenerator
[19:19:00] <yoyoek1> author
[19:19:19] <IchGuckLive> 0.2.09
[19:20:57] <IchGuckLive> there is a dead link
http://yoyo.ghost.pl/mgcodegenerator.html
[19:21:26] <yoyoek1> it working for me
[19:21:37] <yoyoek1> you don't have button for donation ?
[19:21:57] <IchGuckLive> ah a little one i see
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[19:22:29] <yoyoek1> for small beer :)
[19:22:43] <IchGuckLive> is the 09 the lattest
[19:23:23] <yoyoek1> 0.2.09 i release it today
[19:23:45] <IchGuckLive> i will compare to my heeks with simba
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtymMSJy8AA
[19:23:57] <IchGuckLive> ok then i check it tomorrow
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[19:26:39] <yoyoek1> that heeks loop pro :)
[19:26:53] <yoyoek1> looks
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[22:04:06] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[23:40:25] <andypugh> Hmm, worth a punt? (not as-described)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140889913857
[23:43:53] <Tom_itx> 30 taper?
[23:43:56] <Tom_itx> looks like it
[23:44:12] <andypugh> Looks like some 30INT, some BT30, and some foreigners
[23:45:47] <andypugh> archivist:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CVA-lathe-parts-Schaublin-Traub-Help-needed-to-identify-parts-please-/150948403384?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item232539d8b8
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