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[01:08:11] <andypugh> Scrolling back: I have machined hexes on my lathe _without_ live tooling. :-)
[01:09:05] <andypugh> Just posted a minor update on my Harrison build to the 'Zone. Can't believe it is so long since the last one.
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[01:12:54] <andypugh> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1212353#post1212335
[01:13:08] <dr00bie> andypugh: did you get a chance to take a look at pycam yet? I am still not understanding how to get meaningful gcode from it...
[01:13:50] <andypugh> I am nowhere near needing CAM at the moment. Tonight, for example, was all MDI.
[01:14:56] <andypugh> (Lots of M3S1000G98G81X10Y20R0.1Z-10 type stuff drilling holes and boring registers)
[01:15:42] <andypugh> However I _did_ use polar coordinates for the first time. I am hooked, it's brilliant for bolt circles.
[01:15:51] <jdh> mdi typos are the cause of all my vise dings
[01:17:01] <andypugh> If you don't know, as well as using XY in the current plane you can use @ and ^. @ is radius from X0 Y0 and ^ is angle (with 0 degrees along X).
[01:17:21] <andypugh> So, for a 6-bolt circle of 25mm radius.
[01:17:25] <PCW> wheres the MDI preview when you need it (with 3d vise models)
[01:17:37] <andypugh> G0 @25 ^0
[01:17:53] <andypugh> G98G81..... (hole cycle)
[01:18:06] <andypugh> G0 ^60 G98......
[01:18:15] <andypugh> G0 ^120 G98......
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[01:18:23] <andypugh> and so on.
[01:18:59] <cradek> you can just mdi ^60 and ^120 to repeat the cycle at the new angle
[01:19:02] <PCW> well if you are dealing with circles, Cartesian coordinates are awkward
[01:20:17] <andypugh> cradek: I thought I probably could, but I had the time, and wasn't that confident.
[01:20:32] <cradek> drill cycles are so cool that way
[01:21:05] <cradek> actually cycles are have repeats - and you can use polar - so you can do all the holes on your circle with one command
[01:21:32] <cradek> g91 ^60 g8x ... l6
[01:21:50] <andypugh> Brilliant.
[01:22:06] <andypugh> And I bet nearly 2 people ever have :-)
[01:22:09] <cradek> (from memory, haha)
[01:22:20] <cradek> I sure have used it that way, so >= 1
[01:23:09] <andypugh> I probably will next time. But this was only 3 holes.
[01:23:57] <cradek> I wonder how many people have actually used our polar coordinates
[01:24:05] <andypugh> There is a bolt-circle generator in the Wiki, perhaps it ought to be mentioned that it is for the Weak!
[01:24:12] <cradek> haha
[01:24:38] <cradek> polar is tricky. g0 x0 y0; g0 @1 => ???
[01:24:51] <andypugh> Well, there is one more user as of today. I knew they existed, but hadn't until tonight.
[01:24:55] <cradek> I probably spent more time designing and writing it than anybody has ever saved using it
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[01:25:47] <andypugh> Is it unique to LinuxCNC?
[01:26:11] <cradek> lots of other controls have various ways of doing polar, but of course ours is the best implementation :-)
[01:26:22] <cradek> (that's just a fancy way of saying yes)
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[01:30:14] <andypugh> What other characters can we add to our G-code? We could be the APL of G-code :-)
[01:30:48] <cradek> there are NOT very many left if you restrict yourself to 7 bit ascii, and you sure as hell should
[01:31:11] <jdh> unicode
[01:31:15] <cradek> ` & {} \ |
[01:31:22] <cradek> ' "
[01:31:31] <cradek> or so?
[01:31:55] <andypugh> ? is free. Could launch a dialog for numeric entry. I only said that for fun, but actualy it's not a stupid idea,
[01:32:20] <jdh> I have often wanted to be able to input a Z value
[01:32:22] <cradek> stupid is in the eye of the beholder
[01:34:00] <andypugh> So how do you behold it?
[01:35:19] <andypugh> Spotting a key on the keyboard that isn't used in G-code isn't the most sensible way to come up with the idea for a new feature, I have to admit.
[01:35:55] <andypugh> You would rather expect to start from the other end.
[01:36:32] <AR_> i thought about making a higher level gcode
[01:36:50] <AR_> mov x2.450 y-2.00
[01:36:54] <cradek> not sure how I behold it. it's not a particularly flexible way to get parameters from the user. ngcgui and touchy macros both already do a much less bad job.
[01:36:59] <AR_> arc
[01:37:01] <AR_> etc
[01:37:38] <cradek> every ? found on the line should cut the feed rate in half
[01:37:46] <cradek> g0 y0???
[01:37:46] <AR_> lol
[01:37:49] <AR_> why
[01:37:54] <cradek> that gives you 1/8 of rapid feed
[01:38:09] <cradek> it's how you mark the level of uncertainty in the gcode, obviously
[01:38:10] <AR_> how about just another parameter
[01:38:26] <jdh> like f?
[01:38:31] <AR_> ^
[01:38:32] <cradek> snrk
[01:38:55] <cradek> my way is more readable
[01:39:05] <AR_> lol
[01:40:10] <andypugh> AR we already use ^, are you suggesting we overload it like Q?
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[02:15:24] <AR_> no andypugh
[02:15:26] <AR_> omg
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[02:37:23] <tjb1> ello.
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[05:33:21] <abetusk> anyone have a good gerber to gcode link?
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[05:47:13] <tjb1> mmmmm, 4G -
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2387667661.png
[05:53:10] <Connor> Looking at getting a Granite Surface Plate... Looks like they have different grades.. what grade do I want to go with?
[05:55:40] <tjb1> Best you can afford
[06:00:37] <Connor> Well, From what I'm reading.. AA is Lab grade, A is Inspection and B is toolroom..
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[06:56:20] <postaL> If anyone needs a dewalt dwp611 they're cheap right now
[06:56:21] <postaL> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0048EFUV8/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
[06:56:34] <postaL> $119 - $25 (spend $100 or more on dewalt tools, get $25 off from amazon)
[06:57:02] <tjb1> Now you tell me
[06:58:30] <postaL> just saw it as i placed the order
[06:58:35] <postaL> didn't even know abou tit
[06:58:40] <postaL> it just said, "promotion -$25
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[07:57:50] <DJ9DJ> moin
[07:57:56] <tjb1> evenin
[08:04:13] <DJ9DJ> :)
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[14:24:04] <r00t4rd3d> Right Now
[14:24:04] <r00t4rd3d> Updated: Dec 22, 2012, Blizzard conditions are occurring at times.
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[14:30:41] <IchGuckLive> jdh: at your request yesterday the TUT ->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTbh47AFgi8&feature=youtu.be&fmt=22
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[14:47:28] <jdh> cool
[14:48:04] <IchGuckLive> as your request
[14:48:34] <jdh> actually, I just wanted someone to do all the work for me while I sit here :)
[14:48:44] <jdh> but, learning is ok too.
[14:49:11] <IchGuckLive> as all want that
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[15:00:48] <andypugh> Looks like I need to look at HeeksCAD again.
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[15:17:03] <skunkworks> really?
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[15:43:44] <IchGuckLive> done ! Linuxcnc goes 3D A Axis Sculping
http://mechmo.de/linuxcnc3d.png
[15:44:18] <IchGuckLive> as you se öeft down the lines are selectable
[15:44:55] <IchGuckLive> as the liveplot prits live data there is no Y moving i will see how i overcome this
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[17:35:28] <awallin_> IchGuckLive: what exactly is new in your 3D A-axis figure?
[17:36:47] <IchGuckLive> it showes a Lathe sculp G-code in 3D
[17:37:08] <IchGuckLive> while the G-code runs in only the lathe axis
[17:37:15] <IchGuckLive> XZ A
[17:37:28] <awallin_> what did you use to generate the g-code?
[17:38:10] <IchGuckLive> awallin_: do you know what "self.lp.call()" holdes in glcanon
[17:38:35] <awallin_> no.. do you have a link to the code?
[17:38:37] <IchGuckLive> awallin_: i use ProE for this but Deskproto can do this 2
[17:39:43] <IchGuckLive> awallin_: the Glcanon or the G-code
[17:40:01] <awallin_> oh, glcanon..
[17:41:16] <IchGuckLive> if self.sculpA:
[17:41:18] <IchGuckLive> z_orig = z
[17:41:20] <IchGuckLive> y = math.sin(math.radians(a)) * z_orig
[17:41:21] <IchGuckLive> z = math.cos(math.radians(a)) * z_orig
[17:41:48] <IchGuckLive> thats all in side Glcanon .py Glcanon Straight feed
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[17:42:54] <IchGuckLive> the trigger is AXIS,SCULPA
[17:43:02] <IchGuckLive> in Def comment
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[17:50:06] <andypugh> IchGuckLive: What we are puzzled about is what it does differently to the existing rotary-axis previews (triggered by [DISPLAY] GEOMETRY=
[17:51:17] <IchGuckLive> let me have a look at this feather
[17:54:17] <IchGuckLive> andypugh the geometry does not involve 3D views in G-code only displayes in XYZ coordinates UVW kinetik
[17:55:15] <IchGuckLive> ao if your g-code holds only XZ A coordinates it will not show you in the A Rotation as there is a Y involved to show up
[17:57:17] <IchGuckLive> let me do a quick Vid to show up
[17:57:26] <jepler> stepper_xyza specifies 0x00000007
[17:57:26] <jepler> ...skipping...
[17:57:27] <jepler> GEOMETRY
[17:57:28] <jepler> errr
[17:57:31] <jepler> GEOMETRY = AXYZ
[17:57:39] <jepler> and gives a display very similar to the one in your screenshot
[17:58:12] <IchGuckLive> ok
[17:58:21] <IchGuckLive> so master has spoken i wil try
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[18:15:39] <IchGuckLive> jepler: i got it B)
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[18:22:41] <IchGuckLive> jepler: works in Sim mode also i wil test this why it is not showing on a real mashine
[18:30:09] <IchGuckLive> jepler: if there hase been a simulated xyza as i now have one i coud save me the hole day
[18:31:31] <IchGuckLive> i started by 9axis sim and this showes all flat
[18:33:12] <IchGuckLive> so GEOMETRY = AXYZ is the solution
[18:45:20] <IchGuckLive> Thanks all
[18:45:36] <IchGuckLive> it is simply a matter of not knowing all
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[18:54:10] <jthornton> Hot Damn, we have errors on the status bar now!
http://imagebin.org/240342
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[19:15:28] <skunkworks> jthornton: you're having too much fun :)
[19:17:02] <JT-Shop> yea, time for a nap now
[19:20:27] <Jymmm> HAPPY FIRST DAY IN HELL DAY!!!
[19:21:18] <skunkworks> heh - wait - the end didn't happen? go figure...
[19:21:39] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Are you SURE about that???
[19:23:21] <Tom_itx> is this really heaven?
[19:23:39] <Tom_itx> mm wonder if i still owe bills
[19:23:50] <Jymmm> You are IN The Matrix
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[20:17:12] <r00t4rd3d> Another of my doings -
http://i.imgur.com/OMmW0.jpg
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[20:29:47] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: You could branch out:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-HUGE-Japanese-PUZZLE-BOX-7-Sun-72-1-Move-Step-Ichimatsu-Secret-Trick-/110991224207?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19d797ad8f
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[22:14:16] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[22:32:28] <tjb1-mobile> Hello
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[23:09:48] <joe9> hello, I believe there is some way to install linuxcnc just for checking how the gcode files look.
[23:09:51] <joe9> without the rtai api.
[23:09:56] <jdh> sim mode
[23:10:04] <joe9> yes, simulation mode.
[23:10:15] <joe9> jdh: thanks, that should help me.
[23:10:25] <joe9> jdh: let me google up on how to do that.
[23:10:56] <cradek> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_Pure_Simulator
[23:11:22] <cradek> it'd be better to add the repository to your sources.list than to use wget/dpkg -i like these instruction say, but either way, you'll get a working simulator.
[23:11:22] <joe9> cradek: thanks, got it.
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[23:26:22] <joe9> how do I run linuxcnc in simulator mode:
http://codepad.org/CR7HzeUx
[23:27:52] <cradek> try the sim/axis config
[23:28:10] <joe9> ok, thanks.
[23:28:15] <cradek> your config loads hardware drivers (in particular, parport stuff), of which there are none in simulator mode
[23:28:45] <joe9> cradek: that worked like a charm.
[23:28:46] <joe9> thanks.
[23:31:03] <cradek> it can be useful to make a sim configuration that has the same dimensions and velocity and acceleration settings as your actual machine
[23:36:54] <andypugh> pcw_home: Out of interest, can you lower the output voltage of a resolver simply by putting a resistor in series with the primary coil?
[23:38:29] <joe9> cradek, ok. thanks.
[23:39:12] <joe9> btw, is there any way to change the linuxcnc open menu to show the *.ngc files, by default. instead of having to change it in the dropdown?
[23:39:50] <andypugh> PROGRAM_PREFIX
[23:40:30] <joe9> andypugh: thanks.
[23:41:40] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_config.html#_display_section_a_id_sub_display_section_a
[23:41:48] <andypugh> I _think_ that does it.
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[23:42:47] <frysteev> waffles
[23:49:10] <joe9> program_prefix is the directory location of the files.
[23:49:17] <joe9> I am looking for the file extension filter.
[23:53:50] <andypugh> Ah.
[23:54:24] <andypugh> I thought that was already default behaviour. But my g-code folder only contains .ngc anyway
