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[00:02:30] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrbv40ENU_o
[00:08:36] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtZR3lJobjw
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[00:15:16] <pcw_home> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGptO6j3G-U
[00:15:17] <pcw_home> Always liked this one
[00:18:29] <tjb1> You guys wouldn't like what I listen to
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[00:22:24] <jthornton> yea, that is one of my favorites from Tom
[00:24:30] <tjb1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBMT3OMEPwk
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[01:07:33] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlbcObiXyzE
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[01:12:01] <tjb1> Very nice skunkworks
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[03:36:56] <skunkworks2> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/linuxcnc_formerly_emc2/170252-call_file_variable_within_file.html
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[06:18:30] <trixter> Does a CAM package come with the ubuntu distro? If so which one (pyCAM?) and does anyone know if that can do 2D profiling of objects with curved sides (like say you wanted to profile a sphere)?
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[08:10:06] <awallin_> hah! today firefox says "reported attack page" when trying to go to cnczone... too active bobcad/cam marketing or what??
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[08:10:55] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[08:45:33] <mk0> hello all. i have not working wifi module, i need to install compat-wireless, it needs to "sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential". won't this operation break 10.04 rtai?
[08:48:48] <trixter> awallin: chrome has done that for a long time. I think it has to do with some content people included in the forums
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[08:52:25] <archivist> I am running an old firefox 3.6 which sees the attack page too
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[09:22:50] <trixter> what tools do people use for 2.5D profiling? The one I have isnt working well and I was looking for something else. The problem I am having is with rounded surfaces, think of a sphere I want it to profile a circle but getting it to operate on that edge point at the equator is not working
[09:24:03] <trixter> oh I should specify milling
[09:31:36] <archivist> when you say not working well what do you mean
[09:33:02] <Tom_itx> 2.5d cad cam doesn't do 3d very well if at all
[09:33:41] <Tom_itx> it will do height but not surfaces
[09:35:12] <archivist> are you using the right type of end mill and fine enough setting in the cam program
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[09:44:12] <mk0> http://www.anderswallin.net/2012/12/linuxcnc-on-ubuntu-12-04lts/ is it kind of adequate way?
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[10:01:10] <trixter> I dont know if anything I said made it or not, but I realize 2.5D profiling doesnt do 3d well, its not intended to. The point is to save time and tool wear by not milling out a bunch of stuff you dont need (at least in my use). It is to cut an outline around the part so the part will fall free when I am finished with it.
[10:02:32] <trixter> but the software I am using only wants to select flat surfaces for profiling. Why I gave the example of a sphere, if you did a profile cut around that it would just be a circle, the size of the equator, which would then be milled further.
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[10:04:02] <trixter> I know you can export a 3d model to a 2d image and import that into vcarve which will do it, although I would rather avoid buying more software if I can, why I asked what others use for 2.5D profiling. based on youtube videos and other things I dont think a lot of people do profiling to save time and tool wear though
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[11:53:23] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[12:39:03] <jthornton> 6" - 8" of snow this morning and the propane tank finally ran out...
[12:39:22] <Loetmichel> jthornton: bad timing ;-)
[12:40:13] <jthornton> I've been waiting for that tank to empty for quite some time so I can replace the pop off valve
[12:40:34] <jthornton> but I don't think I'll change it today
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[13:07:45] <jthornton> normal service has been restored without me falling on my butt climbing up to the propane tanks :)
[13:10:22] <Loetmichel> hrhr
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[14:21:38] <Jymmm> climbing up? How big is/are this/these propane tanks(s)?
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[14:28:29] <JT-Shop> they are up the hill a bit from the driveway
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[14:34:24] <Jymmm> ah, and what is a pop off valve? quick-release? pressure relief valve?
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[14:35:31] <Jymmm> http://www.englishpreservationsociety.org/15yo-kills-9yo-neighbor-to-know-how-it-felt-t403.html
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[14:46:40] <ReadError> https://www.a2zcorp.us/store/ProductDetailNP.asp?Cguid={F6C12ED0-8E8E-49C6-B26C-A22120D9BB51}&ProductID=1231&Category=Taig:Accessory%20Lathe
[14:46:45] <ReadError> how do those things self center?
[14:47:19] <archivist> scroll thread
[14:47:36] <ReadError> you spin the outside and it will bring them in or out?
[14:47:39] <archivist> it is a spiral
[14:48:01] <archivist> spin the right way for in/out
[14:49:03] <ReadError> ah cool
[14:49:10] <ReadError> whats the benefit to 4 vs 3 ?
[14:49:18] <ReadError> (sorry i just got my 1st lathe yesterday)
[14:50:05] <cradek> you can hold a square workpiece with it
[14:50:20] <cradek> sometimes they grip a little better?
[14:50:27] <archivist> 4 has more points to grip but...likely to be a bit less grip on a pair due to inaccuracies
[14:51:28] <archivist> note that has soft jaws so you machine them to improve the accuracy of grip at the diameter you want
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[14:54:06] <cradek> often a 4 jaw chuck has independent screws for the jaws, so you can do the centering (or off-centering) yourself to whatever tolerance you need
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[14:54:22] <cradek> a 4 jaw scroll chuck is a bit of an odd animal
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[14:55:01] <archivist> I have never owned or used one
[14:59:37] <JT-Shop> I've never seen one
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[15:01:01] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: what is a pop off valve? quick-release? pressure relief valve?
[15:01:12] <archivist> I cannot imagine trying to get those soft jaws right for a bit of random square material
[15:01:27] <JT-Shop> pressure release
[15:01:36] <Jymmm> ah
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[15:12:08] <ReadError> ahh ok
[15:12:23] <ReadError> ordered the 4 jaw, and a few other things that might be useful
[15:12:39] <ReadError> https://www.a2zcorp.us/store/ProductDetailNP.asp?Cguid={F6C12ED0-8E8E-49C6-B26C-A22120D9BB51}&ProductID=1262&Category=Taig:Accessory%20Lathe
[15:12:53] <ReadError> https://www.a2zcorp.us/store/ProductDetailNP.asp?Cguid={F6C12ED0-8E8E-49C6-B26C-A22120D9BB51}&ProductID=1264&Category=Taig:Accessory%20Lathe
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[15:16:50] <JT-Shop> I'll be darn they have several 4 jaw scroll chucks... I use a 4 jaw indepenent all the time and never use a scroll chuck
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[15:34:42] <mazafaka> r00t4rd3d: are you here? Wanted a photo of the chests you had been creating...
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[15:52:52] <r00t4rd3d> ?
[15:53:00] <r00t4rd3d> the paradise boxes?
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[15:59:21] <mazafaka> r00t4rd3d: yeah
[15:59:49] <mazafaka> heh, @paradise@ boxes.. I had called it pirates' boxes
[16:00:28] <mazafaka> r00t4rd3d: you had told they costed about 150$, I need a photo/
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[16:03:44] <mazafaka> r00t4rd3d: Here in Russia is a time when you get paid relatively poorly - and at the same time can not steal anything: nothing is left from the wealth of Soviet Union. Each shop is private, only army sometimes sell some stuff. So any enterprise begins with a prudence of orders, otherwise you just buy something into the shop which isn't working and its equipment doesn't bring money and actually can on be stolen.
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[16:16:11] <r00t4rd3d> i can get imgur to work today so I dont know where to upload them
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[16:16:17] <ReadError> dropbox
[16:17:26] <mazafaka> "image guru"?
[16:17:38] <jdh> reddit.
[16:17:44] <jdh> oh, wrong kind of pics.
[16:20:35] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/fqgqH
[16:22:08] <cpresser> r00t4rd3d: what does it read? the first kanji seems to be 'hand + mount', the second is clearly 'love'.
[16:22:23] <cpresser> dont have a clue what the third one translates to
[16:22:29] <r00t4rd3d> peace love happiness
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[16:37:20] <mazafaka> r00t4rd3d: and there were also some big-sized boxes made of wooden desks
[16:37:30] <JT-Shop> nice work r00t4rd3d
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[17:36:42] <JT-Shop> what's the terminal command to print out the version of a lib like libusp-1.0?
[17:42:41] <cradek> dpkg -l 'libusp*'
[17:43:09] <cradek> well that's the human-readable way. do you need script-readable?
[17:45:44] <JT-Shop> no, I just need to check the version
[17:45:45] <JT-Shop> thanks
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[17:48:26] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[17:49:12] <JT-Shop> I'm impressed that ELO touchscreen tech support has emailed me already
[17:49:56] <IchGuckLive> Nerds do not mead the Xmas time JT-Shop
[17:50:06] <IchGuckLive> so all stuff in place
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[17:54:48] <Loetmichel> http://xkcd.com/1074/ <- HARHAR, the ultimative argument against the conspiracy jerks ;-)
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[17:56:32] <ReadError> hey Loetmichel, you are a guru in the trade
[17:56:45] <ReadError> is there a big quality difference between a die cut thread and machine cut?
[17:57:19] <IchGuckLive> mashine cut is more accurat
[17:57:33] <IchGuckLive> if you go longer then 100mm
[17:57:33] <Loetmichel> ReadError: depends
[17:57:42] <Loetmichel> a good die can be more precise
[17:57:43] <ReadError> well for shorter stuff
[17:57:54] <ReadError> Loetmichel: i want to make my own hotend
[17:58:00] <ReadError> so i need to cut some threads
[17:58:01] <IchGuckLive> shorter always die
[17:58:09] <ReadError> hope a die would work well enough
[17:58:17] <Loetmichel> and if its a "forming" die the thread will be harder than a cut one
[17:58:34] <IchGuckLive> you can cut the tread with the mashine 90% then die it finish
[17:58:42] <IchGuckLive> what size is it
[17:58:57] <ReadError> 3/8-24
[17:59:01] <Loetmichel> and dies have the caveat of needing a "outrun"
[17:59:12] <Loetmichel> so the hole must be deeper than the tread
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[17:59:27] <ReadError> http://reprap.org/mediawiki/images/b/b2/Jhn_md_brass_heater_nozzle.jpg
[17:59:28] <Loetmichel> ReadError: can you say that in mm?
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[17:59:47] <Loetmichel> ah, i see
[18:00:03] <Loetmichel> there is a die totally ok, if you have a fitting one.
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[18:00:30] <IchGuckLive> 3/8-24 UNF 24.3750.3479 .3239 .3299
[18:00:41] <Loetmichel> if you havend: use the lathes thread cutting function and a V-ground HSS tool
[18:02:18] <ReadError> im worried about the chuck of metal coming out of the chuck and knocking my teeth out ;/
[18:02:27] <IchGuckLive> ReadError: use a die from the start and you will be fine
[18:07:00] <archivist> ReadError, is this a cnc lathe or manual
[18:07:27] <IchGuckLive> archivist reprap
[18:08:02] <ReadError> hehe
[18:08:04] <ReadError> manual
[18:08:06] <archivist> IchGuckLive, ffs he is using a lathe and asking a lathe question
[18:08:07] <ReadError> its my 1st
[18:08:25] <ReadError> its probably not the greatest thing but should get my feet wet
[18:08:35] <archivist> I agree
[18:08:38] <ReadError> i still need to assemble it after work today
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[18:09:05] <archivist> there is nothing better for learning than actually doing
[18:09:20] <ReadError> this is just a taig
[18:09:30] <ReadError> but i dont really do anything large
[18:09:38] <ReadError> so i figure this will last me a bit
[18:09:47] <archivist> I dont really know the taig
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[18:10:42] <Loetmichel> ReadError: war a face shield ;-)
[18:11:06] <mazafaka> jthornton: I do not quite understand the way customers are finding you, and you are finding the customers. Is it like it goes from your old job or from your friends by your interests?
[18:11:11] <Loetmichel> wear
[18:11:41] <archivist> ReadError, I dont see it having a leadscrew for threading
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[18:12:53] * archivist looking at http://www.taigtools.com/mlathe.html
[18:13:52] <ReadError> yea
[18:14:21] <ReadError> well i got the powerfeed one
[18:14:28] <ReadError> ive seen where people have cnc'd them
[18:15:17] <archivist> picture?
[18:17:30] <IchGuckLive> im off by have a nice boxing day
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[18:19:13] <syyl_ws> the taig lathe remainds me always a bit of a modern watchmakers lathe..
[18:20:48] <syyl_ws> and with a bit work it seems to be a realy nice lathe
[18:20:48] <syyl_ws> http://modelengines.info/lathes/taig.html
[18:20:59] <archivist> I think I found a picture of the leadscrew and feed gearbox on the taig.au site, seems it is just a fine/power feed not geared to spindle
[18:21:46] <archivist> I believe it is badges as the peatol over here
[18:21:51] <archivist> badged
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[18:29:36] <archivist> sherline screw cutting added to a taig/peatol
http://www.jeffree.co.uk/pages/leadscrew.html
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[19:11:49] <ReadError> hey archivist
[19:11:54] <ReadError> what rotary table do you use?
[19:11:59] <ReadError> just saw a vid of yours on youtube
[19:12:25] <archivist> I have a vertex with a stepper added to it
[19:12:57] <archivist> the other rotary B is a vertex ripoff
[19:13:23] <ReadError> how much did it run you?
[19:13:28] <ReadError> was looking at the sherline
[19:13:33] <ReadError> seems to be an okay deal
[19:13:57] <archivist> depends on your accuracy needs too
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[19:16:49] <pferrick_> Hi all...hope many of you are enjoying time off today...
[19:18:02] <pferrick_> Could I toss out a little "what the %$@ did I do in upgrading to mess things up" question...?
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[19:19:34] <archivist> ReadError, I do not like statements like "I seriously doubt if anyone buying it could measure the mechanical indexing error of the worm and gear."
[19:20:10] <archivist> ReadError, that was from
http://www.sherline.com/8700inst.htm
[19:21:23] <archivist> ReadError, I spent some hours at work with a number of rotaries measuring their errors, it can be very noticeable
[19:21:23] <pcw_home> pferrick: custom_postgui.hal:22: Pin 'input.0.btn-trigger' does not exist is
[19:21:25] <pcw_home> the problem. I think the pin name changed
[19:22:17] <pferrick_> Ahhh. Does that have anything to do with the other complaints (MOT, IO, LINUXCNC) ?
[19:22:43] <pcw_home> yes, they are all after effects
[19:23:06] <pcw_home> Usually only the first error is important
[19:23:14] <pferrick_> I posted stuff to the forum but of course I am way too impatient to actually wait for folks to read & respond!
[19:23:52] <pferrick_> I pasted kinda weird from a term- really the btn-trigger error WAS last...
[19:26:17] <pcw_home> input.0.btn-joystick seems to be the moderne equivalent
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[19:27:08] <pferrick_> yep, temporarily removed custom_postgui.hal and it starts right up...!
[19:27:22] <pferrick_> Gonna try that pin name change right now...hang on!
[19:29:05] <ReadError> archivist: lol where did you read that?
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[19:29:11] <ReadError> oh nm i see it
[19:30:15] <archivist> so many equate resolution with accuracy
[19:30:17] <pferrick_> Well, it isn't "input.0.btn-joystick-trigger" anyway...
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[19:33:34] <pferrick_> Where would I find the correct name for input.0.btn-trigger ??? That seems to be the issue...
[19:34:25] <pferrick_> btw, I'm using the three gamepad buttons to adjust jog speed. The joystick itself controls direction...
[19:36:15] <pcw_home> input.0.btn-joystick is not right?
[19:36:18] <cradek> pferrick_: load hal_input and then look at the pins it creates, using any of the hal tools
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[19:38:50] <pferrick_> Well, joystick is ONE of the inputs I'm using, it's just separate from the trigger button etc.
[19:39:53] <pferrick_> Using hal_input sounds great...could you refresh my memory as to how to load it?
[19:41:31] <pcw_home> halrun?
[19:44:05] <pferrick_> Maybe halrun, seems I need to load the gamepad .hal file first, though.
[19:47:25] <pcw_home> did you actually try input.0.btn-joystick? (instead of input.0.btn-trigger)
[19:48:38] <pcw_home> another way is to comment out the offending lines in you hal file and then list the available pins
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[20:09:41] <JT-Shop> pferrick: did you read this post?
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/9-installing-linuxcnc/19139-upgrade-to-25-with-5i20-ncggui-and-joypad
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[20:37:27] <pferrick_> OK, had a typo in there when I thought I tried input.0.btn-joystick...works fine now. Thanks everyone!
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[21:18:00] <ReadError> http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-lathe-cutoff-tools/=krj5hb
[21:18:07] <ReadError> geeze why are these so expensive
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[21:19:19] <JT-Shop> China
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[21:29:06] <ReadError> JT-Shop: any recommended sources?
[21:29:14] <ReadError> something that has DHL/Fedex/UPS
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[21:29:57] <JT-Shop> are you talking about the insert holders at the bottom of the page?
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[21:30:10] <ReadError> yea
[21:30:16] <ReadError> 50$ for that seems a bit high
[21:31:37] <JT-Shop> that is the one I use actually
[21:32:56] <JT-Shop> I use this one 3212A33 cut down to 1/2 to fit my holder
[21:33:18] <JT-Shop> I got tired of breaking the blade type just above them
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[21:58:11] * Loetmichel makes his cutofftools from aold machien saw blades
[21:58:36] <Loetmichel> cheap, reliable (if the grinding went well), done in a snip ;-)
[21:58:41] <Loetmichel> @ ReadError
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[22:16:07] <ReadError> seems like $50 is high for that part
[22:16:12] <ReadError> idk..
[22:22:18] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[22:52:38] <Jymmm> WHOA...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWM50pMg0tk
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[23:35:35] <tjb1> Snow! :D
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