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[01:07:42] <AR__> think it is easy enough to mount this to a plate, put a pulley on it, make motor mount?
[01:07:49] <AR__> http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1944
[01:11:34] <archivist> AR__, do you have access to a lathe of reasonable size?
[01:11:39] <L84Supper2> http://ccmmade.com/c_html_products/product-52.html have to find some nice low-lash planetary gearboxes to go with these
[01:13:34] <AR__> archivist, no :(
[01:13:41] <AR__> just a drill press
[01:13:43] <AR__> lol
[01:15:02] <archivist> I was going to say there are ways to make your own assembly with a lathe
[01:16:11] <archivist> but that does have most what you need to get going , I just do not like the plastic gears a lot
[01:16:37] <L84Supper2> and the answer to the question "Can you run a small desktop mill in a hotel room while in a pinch in China" is, Yes! 230VAC @15A and no calls to maintenance yet for tripper breakers :)
[01:16:56] <L84Supper2> tripped/tripper
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[01:21:29] <archivist> AR__, my first homebrew milling spindle is actually the headstock off a lathe
[01:22:14] <archivist> I scrapped a lathe to use as parts for the mill
[01:22:16] <AR__> xD
[01:22:50] <AR__> archivist, yes the plastic gears i would probably just take out
[01:22:54] <AR__> and put a belt drive on
[01:23:17] <AR__> i dont think a motor bracket would be too hard to make, at least a temporary one to get started
[01:23:34] <AR__> just two plates and some standoffs
[01:24:06] <archivist> you can get the spindles from china/hong kong without the box for a lot less but you have to add the bearing mounts
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[01:24:50] <AR__> didnt think of that
[01:25:06] <AR__> i could just get the box casting for like $60
[01:25:39] <AR__> where can you get them from china
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[01:26:12] <archivist> here is one size on fleabay
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-C25-ER25-100L-Straight-Collet-Chuck-Holder-CNC-Mill-/110457785622?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19b7cc0d16
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[01:26:33] <AR__> oh one of those
[01:26:38] <AR__> yeah i thought about that too
[01:27:39] <AR__> i just figured it would be good to go with the x2 head since it's been used enough by a bunch of idiots and I dont think many have shattered
[01:27:48] <archivist> here I clamped one with two cheap bearings to hold stuff
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_11_01_Tool_grinder/IMG_1387.JPG
[01:28:16] <AR__> haha nice
[01:28:29] <ReadError> https://www.a2zcorp.us/store/ProductDetailNP.asp?Cguid={34D8F97A-CB5F-4B8C-B939-FFE839C2C7F5}&ProductID=1561&Category=Taig:Accessory%20Mill
[01:29:40] <markvandenborre> if you would buy a small cnc that could preferably do 50x65cm
[01:29:51] <markvandenborre> in 18mm birch plywood
[01:30:10] <markvandenborre> (in aluminium would be nice, but not a priority yet)
[01:30:37] <markvandenborre> something to learn and gain confidence with linuxcnc on
[01:31:00] <markvandenborre> and hopefully get some real world use out of
[01:31:04] <markvandenborre> what would you buy?
[01:31:13] <markvandenborre> note I said _buy_, not _build_
[01:31:13] <archivist> depends what you want to cut, wood is not the best
[01:31:20] <ReadError> why does it have to be in 18mm birch?
[01:31:29] <ReadError> oh the material
[01:31:46] <markvandenborre> yes, the material to be cut indeed
[01:31:58] <markvandenborre> not the material for the machine to be made out of :)
[01:32:34] <markvandenborre> worst case, this is a sunk cost for me
[01:32:39] <markvandenborre> learning money
[01:32:40] <AR__> http://www.super-tech.com/root/grp.asp?p1=Taig-Products
[01:32:49] <AR__> here is a complete headstock for taig mill for only $60
[01:32:52] <AR__> wtf
[01:33:38] <archivist> there is less to the taig
[01:34:29] <AR__> is it a piece of shit or is it decent?
[01:35:00] <L84Supper2> if AR__ or anyone else needs help sourcing from China please let me know
[01:35:13] <ReadError> L84Supper: got connects?
[01:35:13] <AR__> yes please
[01:35:18] <AR__> get me a lot of cheap things
[01:35:37] <L84Supper2> ReadError: I'm in China :)
[01:36:07] <ReadError> oh :)
[01:36:38] <L84Supper2> shopping around for components at the moment, we just opened a new office here
[01:37:45] <L84Supper2> was at an electronics bazaar yesterday, 100+ mini stores with just about anything under one roof
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[01:39:48] <L84Supper2> lots of overstock and out the backdoor parts, even ARM SOC's in smartphones you can't buy from distis
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[01:46:57] <AR__> hmm the taig spindle might be a good starting point
[01:46:59] <AR__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdDi0L74X8M
[01:47:13] <AR__> that guy is cutting pretty damn fast with it
[01:49:02] <archivist> you can hear the revs drop, looking at the belt, it is probably slipping
[01:49:33] <AR__> yeh lol
[01:49:47] <AR__> here is where my build is currently btw:
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/1227205-post6.html
[01:50:04] <AR__> got more parts today
[01:51:47] <archivist> is there something under the base plate to stiffen it
[01:53:19] <archivist> currently it looks like there is a weak point where the column can be sprung forward and back
[01:54:06] <AR__> the base plate is pretty thick, and has like a cross support
[01:54:42] <AR__> hold on, think i have a side shot
[01:56:35] <archivist> get a dti on the xy table and the pointer as high up the column as possible, press on the top of the column with a finger
[01:56:43] <ReadError> thats one heafty base
[01:58:10] <AR__> http://i.imgur.com/ISZHvM6.jpg
[01:58:25] <AR__> http://i.imgur.com/lSZHvM6.jpg
[01:58:46] <AR__> you can see the blue painted part underneath
[01:59:03] <AR__> that goes around and makes an 'X' across the center
[01:59:16] <archivist> yes if that is both sides
[01:59:17] <AR__> so it is pretty rigid actually
[02:00:23] <ReadError> where did you get your slides and stuff?
[02:00:46] <AR__> the X and Y are chinese
[02:01:03] <archivist> the plate on top of the base, is that going to have enough screws through to the base
[02:01:05] <AR__> the X is thomson shaft and bearings
[02:01:09] <AR__> i mean the X
[02:01:11] <AR__> ...
[02:01:12] <AR__> the Z
[02:01:38] <AR__> archivist, i hope
[02:01:54] <AR__> i was thinking of bolting them directly to the base
[02:01:57] <AR__> i'm not sure now
[02:02:08] <AR__> bolting the rails directly i mean
[02:03:58] <archivist> rails direct to the base would seem to the the right thing to do, I can see the base is machined, the plate in between is probably just rolled and give you some inaccuracy
[02:05:03] <AR__> yes that was my thought too
[02:05:13] <AR__> i had that other plate first, before i found the base
[02:05:20] <AR__> and went ahead and put the axis together
[02:06:04] <AR__> but, yeah, the base is nice and flat
[02:06:37] <archivist> base looks a good find, I started building from allsorts too, kept changing my mind in the light of experience and better bits
[02:06:39] <AR__> i'm going to run threaded rod down each of the 8 holes in the column to the base
[02:06:52] <AR__> yeah, that's where the money is lost haha
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[02:08:01] <ReadError> how much was the base?
[02:08:05] <archivist> I had to stiffen the column later on mine, I added some angle and plate to the rear to make a nearly square column
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[02:33:01] <AR__> ReadError, got it on ebay for $50
[02:35:15] <AR__> now i'm really thinking about the taig spindle.... it's a decent size and proven to be pretty good..
[02:35:53] <ReadError> get the collets and stuff too
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[02:37:37] <AR__> the only reason i was still leaning towards the X2 head was that it is R8
[02:38:00] <AR__> but that honestly shouldnt really matter for what i ever do
[02:38:13] <AR__> taig is supposedly more precise
[02:38:18] <jdh> I have an R8, it takes a lot of z height for changes
[02:39:22] <AR__> ah, true
[02:39:49] <archivist> Z height bit me too, I added a box under the column later too
[02:40:01] <jdh> I have an R8 ER-style collet holder I usually use
[02:40:59] <archivist> this is after column stiffening and added box
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/stage8/IMG_0268.JPG
[02:42:56] <ReadError> was thinking about grabbing the VFD and spindle combo on ebay for my router
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[03:23:22] <r00t4rd3d> what router
[03:26:13] <jdh> cisco
[03:28:30] <r00t4rd3d> he probably has a belkin
[03:28:41] <r00t4rd3d> or netgear
[03:30:06] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1,
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTA1NTYzNTI0.html
[03:30:20] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.socketeq.com/
[03:35:51] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: whats this chinese c rap
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[03:58:55] <r00t4rd3d> just a video
[04:02:33] <Jymmm> heh, do rubber chocks float?
[04:04:11] <r00t4rd3d> https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/products/mecam.htm
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[04:30:42] <tjb1> get your scanner yet?
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[04:43:39] <r00t4rd3d> nah, tomorrow it looks like it will be here.
[04:45:41] <tjb1> i never tested my phone
[04:46:01] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/IQotRpB.jpg
[04:46:24] <tjb1> I bet that goes viral
[04:46:28] <tjb1> throw a picture of a cat in there
[04:47:56] <r00t4rd3d> a guy got banned from /r/gonewild for posting that in a thread
[04:51:24] <ReadError> http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBbfN1fCQAAjzww.jpg:large
[04:51:27] <ReadError> hard to see
[04:51:38] <ReadError> but i have a 25lb plate on the end of one of these XX arms
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[05:19:08] <r00t4rd3d> http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/01/google-testing-new-wireless-network-asks-fcc-to-keep-details-secret/
[05:22:21] <r00t4rd3d> this comment sums that up:
[05:22:24] <r00t4rd3d> "Instead of running fiber to everyone's house, they just run it to neighborhood nodes, and then you put an antenna on the side of your house or inside your house."
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[05:31:12] <toastydeath> clever girl
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[07:49:40] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[07:52:25] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[08:01:02] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/xv9YdN0.jpg
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[08:05:00] <Tecan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OL4FdIQrV4 holy crap
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[11:26:37] <Tecan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
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[12:06:55] <r00t4rd3d> -7�F
[12:07:18] <r00t4rd3d> nothing like a nice cold morning to freeze my balls off.
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[13:36:50] <Tecan> rest in peace Aaron Swartz
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[13:53:05] <mrsun> r00t4rd3d, why do you have your balls hanging free in the cold ?
[13:56:28] <archivist> mine are still chilly with many layers ...
[14:00:35] <DJ9DJ> 0o
[14:01:57] <archivist> hmm /me counts the layers 5
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[15:40:14] <JT-Shop> dang we have to quote 400/800 assemblies with 5 parts on each assembly... I've never made more than 20 of any part before
[15:44:15] <archivist> hehe I have
[15:44:42] <JT-Shop> sounds boring after a while I'd bet
[15:44:52] <archivist> you should be able to remember where parts go after a short period
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[15:45:02] <JT-Shop> yea
[15:46:24] <archivist> I think we did just over 2k of
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=electronics+clock
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[15:55:28] <archivist> at that qty spare charged power drivers come in very handy
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[16:42:53] <Jymmm> archivist: no view/download links? just an index?
[16:44:19] <archivist> Jymmm, its mainly a list of what I have 99.999% is not scanned till I get asked
[16:44:49] <Jymmm> ah,
[16:44:58] <archivist> just cataloguing takes years, still not done
[16:45:46] <archivist> although I have added a hundred or more items the last week
[16:46:00] <Jymmm> Heh, sounds like my media collection. =)
[16:46:46] <archivist> I am about 5 years behind adding digital pics to the search index
[16:48:06] <Jymmm> Make it 10, as I think I recall me asking you the same question 5 years ago =)
[16:49:24] <Jymmm> archivist: Toss a donationware button next to each item as motivation to scan it =)
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[16:49:34] <archivist> 2007 iirc was the last bulk picture update although all the images are in sensible directories
[16:50:17] <archivist> I only get requests about once a month
[16:51:16] <archivist> I added about 60 items since yesterday looking at the counter :)
[16:52:09] <Jymmm> I bet if you hit a electronics forum and just mention the index (post adding the DONATE link next to each item), you would get more =)
[16:53:24] <archivist> I have seen the url posed on a forum
[16:54:03] <Jymmm> But I didn't see a CONTACT, DONATE, or REQUEST link
[16:54:25] <Jymmm> just saying
[16:54:52] <archivist> front page and there is mention top of every page to look at the front
[16:55:25] <Jymmm> It's the internetz, ppl are stupidly lazy =)
[16:56:02] <archivist> those are the sort who wont donate too :(
[16:56:17] <Jymmm> If it's not flashing half way across the screen, they dont see it
[16:56:58] <archivist> I got a mean one last boxing day and another a week ago
[16:57:12] <Jymmm> mean one?
[16:57:33] <archivist> had a scan and did not donate
[16:57:45] <Jymmm> ah
[16:59:25] <archivist> really need more links to
http://gears.archivist.info/ for sensible work
[17:01:04] <archivist> did you notice faster page loading since yesterday, new router (to me) and a fixed a noise source so uplink is 1mps instead of .4
[17:01:44] <Jymmm> it's still loading
[17:02:05] <Jymmm> ok, it's done now.
[17:02:16] <Jymmm> The images are just too large is why.
[17:04:57] <archivist> page speed on the root
http://gears.archivist.info/ is all green
[17:06:10] <archivist> http://gears.archivist.info/gears/index.html will only save 5%
[17:18:07] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[17:18:41] <Jymmm> The only thing I could suggest is reduce the DPI
[17:20:26] <archivist> but then the detail is lost and they start to look crappy, just amended a bit Optimising the following images could reduce their size by 42.6KiB (3% reduction).
[17:20:54] <archivist> I think I have to add pages and spread them out
[17:21:38] <Jymmm> Yeah, that would help at least the loading rime
[17:22:40] <archivist> a bit like I did for the fan gear page
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[17:29:36] <anonimasu> JT-Shop: note that you should account for non conforming parts also :)
[17:30:06] <archivist> file, hammer time
[17:30:41] <archivist> rework due to not reading the spec...that is the worst
[17:30:53] <anonimasu> I got a spec for parts by a guy..
[17:31:01] <anonimasu> he said they were spacers for sheetmetal..
[17:31:37] <anonimasu> in actuality they were shafts out of plastic with +/- 0.01 tolerances all over
[17:32:03] <archivist> hehe
[17:32:16] <anonimasu> i turned like 400 of them..
[17:32:38] <archivist> some customer specs are wildly out
[17:32:39] <anonimasu> the guy said +/- 0.10 on the tolerance all over..
[17:32:59] <anonimasu> is the hole straight through of tapped from both sides, I dont know it's some spacer..
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[17:33:28] <anonimasu> it's just roughly 90 times off the nominal tolerance, where I'd like to be for that part..
[17:33:52] <anonimasu> +/- a few 0.001mm's.. to have extra in both directions
[17:35:02] <archivist> someone I know puts +- 0 I said wtf.... he said I just want it as good as they can do
[17:35:50] <anonimasu> if I see a 0.001+/- i'll cut a sample and ask them to measure it :D
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[17:36:08] <tjtr33> archivist: google released thier book scanner, is linear, uses a regular bed scanner guts, and a vacuum to turn pages when book slides past a slot
[17:36:09] <tjtr33> http://code.google.com/p/linear-book-scanner/
[17:37:17] <archivist> tjtr33, I bet it cannot handle tissue paper folded drawings that are in some books
[17:37:54] <tjtr33> >I< cant handle those either
[17:38:47] <anonimasu> the mitutoyo mikes of mine are down to 0.001mm but measuring 10 times better then the actual tolerance set makes them not reliable for that either
[17:39:15] <anonimasu> that and thermal growth.
[17:43:23] <archivist> tjtr33, started watching it will finish later, looks a clever one
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[17:44:12] <anonimasu> very nice with that kind of part spec's..
[17:44:13] <archivist> anonimasu, I have some comparators but no stable temperature to believe what I see
[17:45:02] <anonimasu> if I knew, I'd have run them all in a collet for drilling but, "spacers" and rotating shafts, are a bit different
[17:45:34] <archivist> and a few glass standards for testing micrometers, I can detect the difference between them and the steel blocks
[17:45:54] <anonimasu> my place for machining is fairly stable unti someone opens the doors
[17:46:17] <anonimasu> the micrometer calibration blocks measures 25.000 every time I check them
[17:46:42] <anonimasu> question is how accurate they are anyway.
[17:46:51] <anonimasu> :D
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[17:48:36] <archivist> my 1" has been calibrated but is different to the steel 1" and also the starrett ring 1", I dont know which is right :)
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[17:50:29] <anonimasu> there's really no point in measuring more then 0.01mm for most stuff..
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[17:58:09] <IchGuckLive> Hi all B)
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[18:17:34] <archivist> tjtr33, watched the rest now, the occasional tearing, rough state of some my manuals, and odd sizes with folding diagrams means there are a lot I cannot use it for
[18:19:11] <tjtr33> its kinda like linuxcnc, its a development, and the author talks about how the new version reduces errs, and theres the move-by-hand very-sensitive method he didnt mention
[18:21:24] <archivist> I have been taking scanners to bits here with a view to make a microfiche scanner
[18:22:00] <tjtr33> the roll or grid type microfiche?
[18:22:11] <archivist> grid
[18:22:24] <tjtr33> those are fun ways to view data
[18:22:34] <archivist> I have a few thousand
[18:22:38] <tjtr33> the visual panning is cool
[18:23:04] <tjtr33> ? thousand.. cool 2d slide mechanisms, very smooth and quick
[18:23:28] <tjtr33> slide as in slip not photo :/
[18:24:28] <archivist> like this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-COSWORTH-SIERRA-TAUNUS-V4-V6-4X4-MICROFICHE-SERVICE-DATA-SHEETS-1987-1990-/170972897066?pt=UK_CarParts_Vehicles_Manuals_Litterature_ET&hash=item27cec75f2a
[18:25:51] <archivist> not much car stuff but lots of DEC maintenance docs
[18:29:05] <tjtr33> i wonder if 1dollarscan.com could handle those
[18:31:08] <tjtr33> diy microfiche scanner kludge
http://www.diybookscanner.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1265
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[19:34:24] <mrsun> hell yeah! the X1 delivers again! =)
[19:35:11] <archivist> accuracy or noise
[19:35:26] <mrsun> accuracy this time actualy
[19:35:29] <mrsun> and not alot of noise
[19:35:42] <mrsun> i did climb cutting and it just sizzled insted of broaaaaaa!
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[19:36:29] <mrsun> sure the cuts were only 0.25mm deep and 2mm wide but still =)
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[19:39:14] <mrsun> http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/602997_10151359330523648_1145131729_n.jpg yeah! =)
[19:39:35] <mrsun> sure has been some hand work on it, holes were drilled but spotted in the mill :P
[19:39:41] <mrsun> just the big hole was actualy milled =)
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[19:41:30] <mrsun> squeeked some when i plunged tho ;)
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[19:46:44] <AR__> ordered taig spindle and pulleys
[19:47:25] <AR__> now i just need: collets, cutting tools, and oh yeah... a lot of bolts to finish putting together my machine :P
[19:50:22] <mrsun> building a machine ? :)
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[21:45:17] <frysteev> anyone here use those magnetic proximity switches?
[21:48:24] <andypugh> Which ones/
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[21:51:18] <cradek> frysteev: just ask your real question :-)
[21:53:28] <frysteev> wondering if they work on aluminum :
[21:53:28] <frysteev> p
[21:54:09] <andypugh> No
[21:54:27] <andypugh> Capcitative will
[21:54:38] <andypugh> And possibly inductive.
[21:55:09] <frysteev> they are inducitve
[21:55:23] <frysteev> wow they are $150 online, i got them for $15
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[22:03:40] <JesusAlos> setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout0-scalemax
[22:03:56] <JesusAlos> problem with PNCconf
[22:04:11] <JesusAlos> I configure a servo machine
[22:04:22] <JesusAlos> when try to run
[22:04:29] <JesusAlos> appear a error
[22:05:21] <andypugh> What error?
[22:05:38] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/244227
[22:05:41] <JesusAlos> this
[22:07:35] <JesusAlos> you know?
[22:07:47] <andypugh> Well, it says that the pin does not exist.
[22:08:11] <JesusAlos> I don't undestand
[22:08:16] <andypugh> Open a terminal, type
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[22:08:18] <andypugh> hlrun
[22:08:18] <JesusAlos> I create with wizard
[22:08:27] <JesusAlos> ok
[22:08:30] <andypugh> Sorry. halrun
[22:08:40] <andypugh> loadrt hostmot2
[22:08:45] <andypugh> loadrt hm2_pci
[22:08:47] <andypugh> show pin
[22:08:56] <andypugh> That will give you a list of all the pins
[22:09:00] <andypugh> show param
[22:09:09] <andypugh> Will give a list of all the params.
[22:09:25] <andypugh> I think scalemax should be in the params.
[22:11:29] <JesusAlos> scalemax not apears
[22:11:40] <JesusAlos> in param list
[22:12:02] <andypugh> www.pastebin.com
[22:12:09] <andypugh> Post your param list there
[22:13:05] <JesusAlos> http://pastebin.com/DJAV0pC6
[22:13:39] <andypugh> No 7i77 pins at all.
[22:13:47] <andypugh> Is 7i77 field power connected?
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[22:14:14] <JesusAlos> no
[22:14:19] <JesusAlos> only 5i25
[22:14:51] <andypugh> I think the 7i77 needs to be powered up, or the system wont see it.
[22:14:56] <PCW> sounds like 7I77 has no 5V (or is unconnected)
[22:15:16] <JesusAlos> can I conect 7i77 in hot
[22:15:19] <JesusAlos> ?
[22:15:24] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[22:16:12] <JesusAlos> Can I?
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[22:18:08] <andypugh> JesusAlos: hot? You mean without shutting down the PC? I don't know what PCW thinks, but I do it all the time :-)
[22:19:18] <JesusAlos> I'm going to conect my 7i77 to 5i25 with external +5V
[22:19:34] <PCW> I do it too with our test cards but I would not suggest it
[22:19:35] <JesusAlos> Go to restart PC.
[22:20:09] <JesusAlos> ok. restart PC
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[22:23:10] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/244231
[22:23:21] <JesusAlos> I conected 7i77 card
[22:23:29] <JesusAlos> and the same problem
[22:23:59] <andypugh> pin list again?
[22:24:06] <andypugh> Are there LEDs on the 7i77?
[22:24:12] <JesusAlos> no led
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[22:25:53] <andypugh> There is a jumper for cable power/external power I think.
[22:26:12] <andypugh> The manual ought to have the details.
[22:26:45] <andypugh> For reference, for any mesa card a search for (for example) 7i77man.pdf on google will find the manual.
[22:27:12] <PCW> Yes there are several. If you dont have the 2 yellow LEDS on the top of the card illuminated you have a power problem
[22:27:13] <andypugh> The Mesa naming scheme is confusing, but Google-string
[22:29:02] <JesusAlos> yes, mesa manual don't have schema
[22:29:12] <JesusAlos> is confused swithc configuration
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[22:47:09] <JesusAlos> ok
[22:47:23] <JesusAlos> +5V in 7i77
[22:47:32] <JesusAlos> runs program
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[22:51:56] <andypugh> Great
[22:53:00] <JesusAlos> There are eny way to force out bits in 7i77?
[22:53:23] <JesusAlos> simply way
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[22:54:38] <andypugh> Sorry, can you re-phrase the question?
[22:55:06] <JesusAlos> I want to force output bit in 7i77
[22:55:37] <JesusAlos> you know?
[22:56:50] <andypugh> terminal
[22:56:50] <cradek> you can manually turn an unconnected output pin on and off using setp
[22:57:17] <andypugh> halcmd setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.....
[22:57:30] <andypugh> (You need that pin list :-)
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[23:00:53] <JesusAlos> I open terminal and type halcmd
[23:01:02] <JesusAlos> but do nothing
[23:01:13] <JesusAlos> I must close linuxcnc?
[23:01:16] <andypugh> No
[23:02:11] <andypugh> You can either start a standalone HAL session with halrun, or send individual commands to an existing HAL session with halcmd.
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[23:02:41] <andypugh> As you have LinuxCNC runnning, you need to use halcmd, but you also need the command on the same line.
[23:03:25] <andypugh> so "halcmd setp hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.whatever-the-pin-is-called 1" is all on one command line
[23:05:09] <andypugh> You can also do exactly the same thing (without "halcmd") in the Machine=>Show Hal Configuration dialog box in Axis. But that is less convenient because there is no command history like the terminal offers.
[23:08:22] <andypugh> why oh why oh why is the whole world using oz-in for motor torques? It's not even a real torque unit in US Customoary.
[23:09:12] <andypugh> ft-lb and Nm are the units of torque in the two systems.
[23:09:57] <andypugh> I might start selling a range of motors rated in scruple-angstrom.
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[23:10:39] <andypugh> The numbers would be so huge that morons would beat a path to my door.
[23:12:37] <Valen> andypugh: I may have scruples but i've never heard of them used as a form of measure before
[23:12:47] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/L910-APOTHECARIES-WEIGHT-TWO-SCRUPLES-TOKEN-COIN-SEE-PICTURES-/350693788007?pt=UK_Coins_Tokens_RL&hash=item51a6fa8967
[23:13:00] <andypugh> 1/24th of an ounce
[23:13:25] <Valen> i think you mean 1.296 grams
[23:13:30] <Valen> ;-P
[23:13:40] <Valen> I hate all the metric ones in kg/cm
[23:14:05] <Valen> i mean it does feel like a more physcial measurement than N/M but still
[23:14:39] <andypugh> g-cm is an even worse abomination than oz-in of course. At leas thte Imperial system is confused about mass and force. There is no excuse in SI.
[23:14:48] <JesusAlos> gn
[23:14:51] <JesusAlos> thank
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[23:20:18] <andypugh> It's that time of the week, slightly drunk, browsing business and industrial job lots on eBay...
[23:21:41] <tjb1> Im building a prusa mendel…about to go get drunk if I have to put another screw on it
[23:22:03] <andypugh> archivist: Might be a good buy:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOB-LOT-NEW-OLD-STOCK-10-ASSORTED-10-12-14-ENGINEERS-FILES-ROUND-FLAT-SQUARE-/261151488403?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3ccdd77993
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[23:46:38] <rob_h> cheap machine for someone ...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=121056526142&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en
[23:48:24] <andypugh> Won't fit under my door either.
[23:49:19] <L84Supper2> stone/furlong/fortnight^2
[23:49:24] <rob_h> here is floor space shortage
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[23:50:58] <L84Supper2> we need a device that just temporarily reduces the mass of an object just during shipment
[23:51:01] <andypugh> 5.7 tons in Guildford isn't great either
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[23:54:55] <L84Supper2> How do you teach an entire culture about quality? How long does it take to train someone about QC if the concept is completely new to them?
[23:56:02] <PCW> wow, look at all the toggle switches and lights!
[23:57:41] <L84Supper2> looks like a Heathkit stereo system form 1976 :)
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