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[00:15:54] <Nick001> With the 5i20 in a PCI slot - do I still have the motherboard parport avilable for other uses?
[00:16:12] <gene__> yes
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[00:19:06] <Nick001> good - that takes care other problems of output signals
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[00:25:13] <gene__> cradek: I'm going to the house, frozen out for the night. I may just rewrite the whole thing
[00:25:59] <gene__> cradek: if you find it, reply on the list, and thanks a bunch for looking
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[02:34:57] <ReadError> wow
[02:35:05] <ReadError> i cleaned out 3 massive spiders
[02:35:09] <ReadError> out of my linuxcnc box just now
[02:35:17] <ReadError> i need to make this into something sealed
[02:35:29] <ReadError> dont think this atom board makes much heat
[02:35:41] <ReadError> maybe some dust filters over the fans
[02:37:09] <Jymmm> You can have it your way at Burger King, sorta....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2271440/Burger-King-admits-selling-beef-burgers-Whoppers-containing-horse-meat.html#ixzz2JebzksUE
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[02:44:48] <Connor> Anyone know much about safety relays?
[02:45:05] <Jymmm> why do you ask?
[02:45:27] <Connor> Looking at maybe using one instead of a SSR for Spindle.
[02:45:53] <Connor> Just don't know anything about them. They look rather large too.
[02:46:04] <Connor> I'm probably over thinking it.
[02:46:07] <ReadError> well crap
[02:46:19] <ReadError> ive managed to crash my box 2 times in a row now
[02:46:20] <Jymmm> Then, no I don't know nuttin bout em.
[02:46:25] <ReadError> editing and saving my .ini
[02:46:35] <ReadError> tainted gnome this last time
[02:46:45] <ReadError> may need to grab a SSD
[02:46:49] <ReadError> might as well get a new case...
[02:47:05] <Jymmm> Yeah, cause those thigns prevent a mobo from crashing.
[02:48:53] <ReadError> lol
[02:49:07] <ReadError> not really but this drive is probably hrmm, 7 years old?
[02:49:36] <ReadError> http://pastie.org/pastes/6031912/text
[02:50:22] <ReadError> its a 150GB SATA
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[02:50:39] <ReadError> i know its seen better days
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[03:00:39] <tjb1> Hello fellas
[03:00:56] <ReadError> sup brah
[03:01:52] <ReadError> hey tjb1
[03:01:57] <ReadError> you using backlash compensation ?
[03:02:00] <ReadError> for your plasma
[03:02:15] <tjb1> no
[03:02:20] <tjb1> Its down at the moment
[03:02:34] <ReadError> well when you had it up
[03:02:40] <ReadError> how was the backlash ?
[03:03:13] <tjb1> I never checked it
[03:03:35] <tjb1> It wasnt up very long
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[03:06:13] <ReadError> i was thinking about getting those inductive endstops
[03:06:22] <ReadError> but hes out of stock right now..
[03:06:48] <tjb1> Ugh, dont get me started on those
[03:07:04] <tjb1> I dont know if its because I have $2 chinese ones or if the other computer sucked but mine werent working
[03:08:38] <ReadError> his have the LEDs and all that fancy stuff
[03:08:41] <ReadError> but expensive
[03:09:23] <tjb1> Mine have LEDs but I cant justify the $134 for one
[03:09:26] <tjb1> Thats what they are right?
[03:09:43] <ReadError> nah its 134 for the entire set
[03:09:45] <ReadError> like 5 of em
[03:09:48] <ReadError> and wires and crap
[03:09:50] <tjb1> Are you sure
[03:09:51] <ReadError> or 124
[03:10:12] <tjb1> Oh wow
[03:10:16] <tjb1> $129...
[03:10:27] <tjb1> I could do that, hell I thought it was $129 for 1
[03:10:41] <ReadError> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/proximity-limit-switch-kit-p-215.html
[03:10:41] <tjb1> Maybe a quality prox sensor would take care of my problem
[03:10:45] <ReadError> yea
[03:10:57] <ReadError> i mean with the brackets, wiring, sensors *5
[03:11:00] <ReadError> its not that bad
[03:11:02] <tjb1> They must work since he has them like that
[03:11:16] <tjb1> A lot of people say its bad to have them like that
[03:11:36] <ReadError> like how?
[03:11:47] <tjb1> Where the carriage can physically hit them
[03:12:11] <ReadError> well it looks like thin metal
[03:12:18] <ReadError> so im sure it can give if something isnt right
[03:12:53] <tjb1> Im sure I could buy just 3 switches off of him
[03:13:32] <tjb1> Im gonna guess they are roughly $20 each
[03:13:34] <ReadError> well if you have 4
[03:13:40] <ReadError> you can completely center it
[03:13:46] <tjb1> 4?
[03:13:49] <ReadError> yea
[03:13:54] <ReadError> 2 for x and y axis each
[03:13:55] <tjb1> I use 4 but I have 1 per axis and one on the floating head
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[03:14:08] <tjb1> Why do you need 4?
[03:14:10] <ReadError> so yea, 5 would get you good and proper
[03:14:12] <tjb1> I use 1
[03:14:21] <tjb1> Dont mount the switch to the machine
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[03:14:31] <ReadError> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/proximity-limit-switch-instructions-p-216.html
[03:14:31] <tjb1> Mount it to the carriage and put two triggers on
[03:14:42] <tjb1> Thats dumb
[03:14:47] <ReadError> ah
[03:14:54] <ReadError> so a piece of steel sticking out?
[03:14:58] <r00t4rd3d> limit switches are for girls
[03:15:02] <tjb1> I used socket head cap screws
[03:15:05] <ReadError> your mom is a girl
[03:15:06] <ReadError> wait...
[03:15:08] <tjb1> Let me see if I can find a picture
[03:15:15] <tjb1> Some of us use machines that have over 12" travel ;)
[03:15:30] <r00t4rd3d> all my axis have over 12
[03:15:36] <tjb1> 12.5?
[03:16:35] <tjb1> http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/530587_4469490131338_930172937_n.jpg
[03:16:41] <tjb1> I have two triggers set for the one on the right
[03:17:02] <r00t4rd3d> i have a nice set of limit switches, still in the package.
[03:17:52] <tjb1> I know I took a picture of it…where it is, who knows
[03:18:02] <tjb1> But in this one you can see the mount for one of the prox sensors -
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/430006_4483057310509_1353068263_n.jpg
[03:19:01] <ReadError> see im paranoid about getting long steel like that
[03:19:06] <ReadError> im afraid it will be bent
[03:19:20] <ReadError> atleast if i get it from ahren i can hit him up and be like, man, its bent
[03:19:25] <tjb1> I'm paranoid about piecing together a bunch of little ones
[03:19:41] <tjb1> I'd never have something like that shipped
[03:19:43] <ReadError> yea, would be hard to get it all even and stuff
[03:20:01] <tjb1> Corners are sharp as hell though
[03:21:20] <jdh> I have some cheap chinese switches
[03:21:25] <ReadError> decided to go with the 48x48
[03:21:33] <ReadError> since it has 3060 on the Y
[03:21:38] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/ytH2x5K.jpg
[03:21:55] <tjb1> Did they die
[03:22:09] <r00t4rd3d> dont know
[03:22:21] <ReadError> doesnt look like it
[03:22:29] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULOdhTJ3uBg&feature=youtu.be
[03:22:33] <r00t4rd3d> watch it
[03:22:56] <tjb1> ReadError: My gantry is only 3030
[03:23:09] <tjb1> But then again it has 4x1/4" flat stock bolted to it also
[03:23:20] <ReadError> but you arent putting a load on it
[03:23:26] <ReadError> im going to be doing some aluminum and stuff
[03:23:26] <r00t4rd3d> i need a piece of crs
[03:23:28] <tjb1> I was going to add a router
[03:23:29] <ReadError> so i want it pretty rigid
[03:23:45] <tjb1> That aluminum is pretty damn strong :)
[03:23:57] <tjb1> Is it really 3060 or just two pieces of 3030?
[03:26:53] <ReadError> says 3060
[03:26:58] <ReadError> not sure what the difference is
[03:27:02] <ReadError> i think theres more steel too
[03:27:06] <ReadError> since its taller
[03:27:08] <tjb1> 3060 is one piece
[03:27:13] <tjb1> 3"x6"
[03:27:26] <tjb1> Its not more steel, I think its 2" wide stuff
[03:27:40] <ReadError> either way
[03:27:48] <ReadError> im gonna take over r00t4rd3d's gun and box biz
[03:27:50] <ReadError> ;)
[03:28:04] <ReadError> wood guns and paradise boxes
[03:28:13] <tjb1> Heh
[03:28:21] <tjb1> Add a plasma and Ill cut your machine in half >:(
[03:28:56] <tjb1> I cant get a piece of plywood to workout on a 3d printer, I dont know how people build whole routers out of wood
[03:29:24] <ReadError> yea im not a fan of wood
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[03:35:13] <r00t4rd3d> takes skill
[03:35:47] <ReadError> no worries tjb1
[03:35:53] <ReadError> im scared of high voltage and fire
[03:36:00] <ReadError> well, electrical fire
[03:37:43] <ReadError> i need to tear this mill down after i get my router done
[03:37:47] <ReadError> and give it some TLC
[03:41:38] <tjb1> highest voltage in my control panel is 120 :P
[03:42:00] <ReadError> yea but what about that plasma coming out?
[03:42:08] <ReadError> surely that would give me a good jolt/burn
[03:42:15] <tjb1> Duh :P
[03:42:22] <tjb1> Its like 50000F
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[03:51:00] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, you seen this?
[03:51:01] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.precisebits.com/products/equipment/dewalt_611_collets_nuts.asp#Dewalt_611_Collets
[03:51:20] <tjb1> Yeah I book marked it earlier but no use for it right now
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[03:57:32] <ReadError> i cant decide what to go with
[03:57:34] <ReadError> router or spindle
[03:59:07] <tjb1> spindles are fair bit more complicated
[03:59:16] <tjb1> Much more than I would like to venture into at this time
[03:59:32] <ReadError> yea but with a VFD hooked up
[03:59:34] <ReadError> nommmss
[03:59:43] <tjb1> superpid the dwp611
[04:00:02] <ReadError> yea but for that price, you can get the spindle+VFD
[04:00:11] <tjb1> A cheap spindle and VFD
[04:00:25] <tjb1> You really want a chinese vfd in charge of your spindle?
[04:00:54] <r00t4rd3d> wheres the superpid come from?
[04:00:56] <jdh> sure
[04:02:06] <r00t4rd3d> odd to hear a hb lover shit talk chinese goods...
[04:02:18] <r00t4rd3d> hf
[04:02:26] <tjb1> hf?
[04:02:33] <r00t4rd3d> harbor freight
[04:02:41] <tjb1> Who loves hf?
[04:03:17] <ReadError> you see more grimey people at HF than you do walmart
[04:03:19] <ReadError> true story.
[04:05:29] <tjb1> I think r00t4rd3d is the HF lover
[04:11:06] <jdh> I like HF for cheap junk
[04:13:16] <ReadError> i cant stand the pace
[04:13:21] <ReadError> place*
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[04:13:50] <jdh> I think I got propositioned by a hooker in the parking lot once
[04:16:35] <tjb1> ReadError: I have to trace the AUX3 pins on Ramps to make sure they are making it to the mega...
[04:17:02] <tjb1> If they are, either I have had two faulty LCD/SDs, the mega is bad or marlin is still screwed up
[04:18:38] <ReadError> did you compile it with support for it?
[04:18:44] <ReadError> uncomment the stuff in the cfg
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[04:20:23] <tjb1> I did
[04:20:31] <tjb1> Repetier gives me sd init fail
[04:20:39] <tjb1> I am guessing that means it is screwed from the start
[04:20:44] <L84Supper> sorry to intrude, but what's HF?
[04:21:19] <L84Supper> sorry , <answer above>
[04:21:47] <ReadError> harbor freight
[04:21:54] <L84Supper> HF is actually a step up from China itself
[04:21:56] <ReadError> its where they sell super low quality tools
[04:22:03] <ReadError> from china...
[04:22:21] <L84Supper> went tool shopping in Beijing last week
[04:22:36] <L84Supper> most stores had Stanley as their top brand
[04:22:38] <ReadError> anything decent ?
[04:22:40] <ReadError> ah wow
[04:22:42] <ReadError> super cheap?
[04:23:04] <cjd406> i am working with tripod kinematics and have run into a problem
[04:23:05] <L84Supper> you have to order from the et
[04:23:12] <L84Supper> et/et
[04:23:16] <cjd406> where when i switch from joint to world view my steppers nuts and the back plot reads -nan for each axis
[04:23:18] <L84Supper> net
[04:23:42] <L84Supper> tools and parts are really low cost
[04:23:58] <L84Supper> plus you haggle for price
[04:25:07] <zultron> I hate all that haggling, so I always shop taobao when I'm in China.
[04:25:16] <L84Supper> and hardware stores are entire malls with 200+ stores all about 15 sq meters
[04:26:07] <L84Supper> zultron: yeah, but some days I needed things "right now"
[04:26:13] <zultron> Those markets are great, though, just to walk through.
[04:26:36] <L84Supper> the electronic malls are great
[04:26:42] <zultron> Nothing near equivalent in the US.
[04:27:13] <L84Supper> haven't found a good fastener place near Shanghai/suzhou/nanging yet
[04:27:36] <ReadError> i would go in pawn stars style
[04:27:46] <ReadError> "you are selling this for 100$, ill give you 50"
[04:27:55] <L84Supper> machine tools are easy, just drive to a factory
[04:28:22] <L84Supper> ReadError: they don't post prices
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[04:28:48] <zultron> Ever been to Yiwu in Zhejiang province where all the factories show their wares to buyers?
[04:28:59] <ReadError> so you have to ask them?
[04:29:03] <zultron> I heard that's an incredible sight. Never been myself.
[04:29:23] <L84Supper> if I'm around the price is always higher, instant price bump for foreigners
[04:30:23] <zultron> Heh, yep, I always bring a Chinese at the more touristy markets, or I'll pay 3x.
[04:30:26] <L84Supper> zultron: thats about an hour or so south of Suzhou, I haven't been down there
[04:31:28] <L84Supper> sometimes I have to jump in and just say stop, it's not worth haggling for 15 minutes over 10 RMB ($1.5USD)
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[04:31:54] <zultron> We went to buy some kites once, in Suzhou actually, and after we bought them, we had a conversation with the shop owner who said they simply wouldn't give a foreigner the same price they'd give their compatriots.
[04:32:05] <L84Supper> yeah
[04:32:23] <zultron> It sounded like it was a matter of honor or something. ha!
[04:33:43] <L84Supper> their time is worth very little
[04:34:12] <zultron> Well, especially the folks in the shop. They sit around most of the time.
[04:35:32] <L84Supper> it's nice to not get a 30 second commercial/upsell where ever you go, but at the same time waiters/bartenders/bellmen/salespeople tend to ignore you
[04:36:22] <zultron> Where do you get the upsells?
[04:36:42] <L84Supper> just about anywhere in the USA
[04:36:49] <zultron> Oh, got it.
[04:37:20] <L84Supper> "can i just pay and go please"
[04:37:30] <zultron> In China you have to get used to yelling at people.
[04:37:44] <zultron> Not angry yelling, just get their attention yelling.
[04:38:01] <L84Supper> and not wanting to strangle people
[04:38:02] <zultron> FUWUYUAN! MAI-DAN!
[04:38:32] <zultron> Heh, yeah.
[04:38:35] <L84Supper> just got back from Korea
[04:38:41] <L84Supper> was a nice break
[04:39:27] <zultron> Never been. Went to Japan for a while when I lived in Beijing, and that was great. Everyone is so polite and respectful.
[04:39:53] <L84Supper> japan has my vote except for the fallout
[04:39:57] <ReadError> i know a very rude guy in japan
[04:40:03] <ReadError> message 'dongs'
[04:40:08] <ReadError> and see how polite he is to you ;)
[04:40:12] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=82a_1359822977
[04:40:14] <L84Supper> they are nice to you even if they don't like you
[04:40:26] <zultron> I had trouble communicating there, though, nobody speaks English, and I don't speak Japanese at all.
[04:40:36] <L84Supper> for the most part
[04:40:48] <L84Supper> zultron: what part of beijing?
[04:40:57] <zultron> Haidian District
[04:41:07] <zultron> Near Tsinghua U
[04:41:15] <r00t4rd3d> those drone videos were not meant to be shown
[04:41:33] <L84Supper> zultron: was there 3 weeks ago
[04:42:02] <zultron> Nice! There were some electronic component markets right there that I really miss.
[04:42:38] <L84Supper> zultron: I spent the week at a hotel at the convention center/Olympic park
[04:43:10] <zultron> Oh yeah, that's pretty close.
[04:43:17] <L84Supper> took the subway to Haidian District
[04:43:31] <zultron> I was there in 2008 actually. It was nuts.
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[04:43:50] <L84Supper> they are building some new tower there
[04:44:00] <L84Supper> looks really interesting
[04:44:23] <zultron> Interesting shape? or...?
[04:45:11] <L84Supper> yeah, if the platforms are open it like the dubai hotel with the outdoor tennis court, only these are the big enough for soccer
[04:45:49] <zultron> They've got a weird mix of stuff over there. Bizarrely-shaped ultra-modern buildings, right next to traditional buildings hundreds of years old, right next to a construction site surrounded by workers' shanties.
[04:45:58] <L84Supper> http://www.eliterics.com/2012/04/beijing-olympic-park-observation-tower.html
[04:46:20] <L84Supper> that sums up the whole country :)
[04:46:27] <zultron> Whoa!
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[04:46:57] <L84Supper> i have pics still in my camera
[04:47:02] <L84Supper> have to upload
[04:47:08] <zultron> Yeah, I guess it does. Impossible contrast wherever you look.
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[04:52:39] <L84Supper> nice to only be 4 hours from Nanjing to Beijing by train at 300kph
[04:54:04] <L84Supper> zultron:
http://imagebin.org/245293
[04:55:25] <L84Supper> the birds nest would be off the right 1km
[04:57:21] <L84Supper> nice to be back at home with real scotch :)
[04:58:10] <ReadError> you in america L84Supper ?
[04:58:24] <L84Supper> ReadError: yeah, now
[04:58:33] <ReadError> real scotch ?
[04:58:43] <L84Supper> from Scotland
[04:59:08] <L84Supper> they tend to change the stuff inside the bottles there
[04:59:19] <L84Supper> in China that is
[04:59:24] <ReadError> with cheaper stuff?
[04:59:32] <L84Supper> or water it down
[05:00:06] <ReadError> ew
[05:00:19] <ReadError> even at the liquor stores?
[05:00:56] <L84Supper> unless you go to a high end hotel like a Hyatt/Peninsula etc
[05:01:25] <L84Supper> most liquor stores only carry beer or rice wine/liquor
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[05:04:13] <L84Supper> no OSHA there
[05:05:01] <L84Supper> walked through supplier factories with no guards on machines, open belts, motors, welders etc etc, don't slip!
[05:07:11] <L84Supper> not sure what they will do if automation replaces manual labor or if India starts to compete, they succeed by the sheer volume of cheap manual labor
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[08:00:16] <DJ9DJ> moin
[08:31:30] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[08:47:25] <theos> o/
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[13:25:33] <jthornton> holy crap batman pyngcgui in my custom GUI!
http://imagebin.org/245323
[13:26:26] <cncbasher> great jt :
[13:26:48] <jthornton> it's all Deweys doing
[13:27:02] <jthornton> the file gtsy.py shows how to do it
[13:27:17] <jthornton> did you try touchy with ngcgui?
[13:27:51] <cncbasher> not as yet
[13:28:08] <cncbasher> gscreen next !
[13:28:48] <cncbasher> is that with 2.5 or dev master ?
[13:28:59] <jthornton> 2.5
[13:29:17] <cncbasher> ok thanks
[13:29:29] <jthornton> I copy the files to the installed directories and just run linuxcnc config.ini
[13:29:34] <cncbasher> iv'e just downloaded deweys patch
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[13:32:05] <cncbasher> can you mail the files over
[13:32:35] <jthornton> yea, but I forget your email
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[13:37:23] <jthornton> woot! I got it to work with the ini configured to load my subs
[13:37:42] <jthornton> I wish we could upload to the forum so I could show it
[13:38:31] <jthornton> now I just have to figure out how to send the file to my gui
[13:38:53] <cncbasher> yea uploading to the forum is a pain at the moment
[13:39:54] <jthornton> the response I got from the Kunena forum is "we don't support out of date, upgrade Joomula and Kunena"
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[13:54:35] <ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2H0MrhXmo4
[13:54:39] <ReadError> im pretty impressed by this
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[14:02:12] <Icekiller> hmm looking for some cheap bf12's / bk12's.. anyone have any recommendations?
[14:15:20] <Loetmichel> ReadError: looks familliar
[14:15:48] <Loetmichel> thats about the cutting deptz MY mill can cope with
[14:16:01] <Loetmichel> in aluminium
[14:16:16] <ReadError> Loetmichel: thats a big router
[14:16:36] <ReadError> suprised to see it cutting like that
[14:16:42] <Loetmichel> bigger than this:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4935 ?
[14:16:44] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[14:16:49] <ReadError> just tearing through aluminum
[14:17:01] <ReadError> yea i think
[14:17:04] <ReadError> 48x48"
[14:17:20] <ReadError> 1.2192m ?
[14:17:51] <Loetmichel> hrhr, hte router on the pic can move 1500*1020mm
[14:19:40] <Loetmichel> and this one is even bigger:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11205 (1700*1200 IIRC)
[14:19:55] <Loetmichel> and yes, they can do the same in Al
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[14:28:09] <ReadError> is that a chinese VFD?
[14:28:15] <ReadError> I was thinking about going that route..
[14:28:19] <Loetmichel> yes
[14:28:22] <ReadError> spindle+VFD
[14:28:39] <Loetmichel> yes
[14:28:49] <Loetmichel> 2200W iirc
[14:29:23] <Loetmichel> on the photo is a kress mointed, but shince upgraded
[14:29:27] <Loetmichel> -h
[14:29:48] <Loetmichel> let me see if i find some photos with spindle + VFD
[14:30:04] <Loetmichel> the big router isnt mine, i had just helped to build it
[14:32:40] <Loetmichel> MarkusBec: are you there?
[14:33:09] <Loetmichel> do you have some photos of lilalinx' machine with the CHinese Spindle?
[14:33:18] <Loetmichel> (he is the one on the last photo)
[14:35:36] <Loetmichel> hmm, sorry, he seems to be offline
[14:37:06] <Loetmichel> ReadError: found one on his site:
http://markusbec.deswahnsinns.de/main.php/v/fraese/fraese_mbechtold.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1
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[14:38:22] <ReadError> oo
[14:38:24] <ReadError> looks tiny
[14:38:38] <Loetmichel> on a big machine: yes
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[14:39:24] <ReadError> what size motors?
[14:39:34] <ReadError> im pretty sure im going with 23s
[14:39:36] <Loetmichel> E240 servos
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[14:39:39] <ReadError> ahh fancy
[14:40:33] <Loetmichel> remember: the machine has ~1700*1200 movement
[14:40:39] <Loetmichel> mm
[14:41:22] <Loetmichel> the "wood" is nearly 1" thick
[14:49:13] <Loetmichel> ReadError: thats my little machine "drilling" a 20mm hole in aluminium tube with a 2mm mill bit. 800W chinese Spindle ->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEd4LCJ3uWk (caution, LOUD)
[14:50:10] <Loetmichel> correction: 15mm hole ;-)
[14:51:06] <Loetmichel> and if i hadn bought this "chewing gum" extruded aluminium i could have gone triple speed
[14:51:34] <Loetmichel> so i had to see that the mill bit doesent get cloggged with molten/smeared alu
[14:53:31] <Loetmichel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXNhsid6PD0 <- here i make "some" 2.5mm holes in a 1.5mm thick aluminium with a 2mm mill bit :-)
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[15:00:49] <ReadError> wish i had a cheap CF source :(
[15:01:38] <ReadError> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Feb%2001%2C%2012%2004%2053%20PM.jpg
[15:01:45] <ReadError> thats my latest work
[15:02:01] <ReadError> i forgot to g28.1 so it cut a gash
[15:02:05] <ReadError> on the top piece
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[15:07:51] <Loetmichel> nice
[15:08:38] * Loetmichel is still not further with is hexa... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12997
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[15:49:05] <anonimasu> Loetmichel: I had a shitty job like that once.. 280 holes in a 70mm copper disc, 1cm thick
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[15:55:35] <Icekiller> question guys the.. BK/BF 12 .. is tere a cheaper solution for those or?
[16:04:19] <archivist> someone already told you :) make your own
[16:04:58] <Icekiller> wow :P
[16:05:06] <Icekiller> must be really tired than xD
[16:05:29] <Icekiller> didn't see any responds to be as far as i can tell :P
[16:05:44] <Icekiller> what makes BK BF expesnive..? the internal bearing? or the surround part?
[16:07:09] <archivist> or the joining of the two
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[16:23:47] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, what is that blue material?
[16:24:46] <ReadError> g10
[16:24:52] <ReadError> i didnt want to use up all my black
[16:25:00] <jdh> what's it weigh?
[16:25:05] <ReadError> 430g
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[16:25:14] <ReadError> but over 4kg of thrust
[16:25:25] <ReadError> 4.4-4.5kg
[16:25:54] <jdh> you should slot the motor mounts in the other plane
[16:26:11] <ReadError> why?
[16:28:09] <jdh> because it would look cool
[16:28:26] <jdh> how thick are they?
[16:33:47] <ReadError> aluminum?
[16:33:49] <ReadError> 1/4
[16:33:59] <ReadError> but ive hollowed out the underside a bit
[16:34:46] <ReadError> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Jan%2013%2C%208%2046%2001%20PM.jpg
[16:34:52] <jdh> they look nice. Did you have to clean up any edges or anythying?
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[16:36:02] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[16:36:42] <IchGuckLive> Superbowl sunday
[16:37:13] <jdh> hockey?
[16:37:47] <IchGuckLive> live in Europ at 0.10 SAT1
[16:37:48] <ReadError> jdh: I took a file to the corners edges
[16:37:52] <ReadError> they are super sharp otherwise
[16:38:53] <jdh> I'd like to try going over some edges with a roundover bit
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[16:45:25] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.nomorerack.com/daily_deals/view/229300-asus_google_nexus_7_android_4_1_jelly_bean_1_2ghz_16gb_7__tablet_pc
[16:47:12] <Tecan> why is everyone switching to the double has channels ?
[16:47:16] <Tecan> hash
[16:47:25] <Tecan> ##linuxcnc
[16:47:40] <r00t4rd3d> you have to do that for fanboy channels
[16:47:45] <IchGuckLive> they dont like us
[16:47:59] <Tecan> fanboy channels ?
[16:48:00] <ReadError> lol
[16:48:03] <ReadError> its just Tecan
[16:48:03] <archivist> ## is for general non project specific
[16:48:11] <Tecan> oo ic
[16:48:53] <IchGuckLive> you are the oly one there
[16:49:57] <r00t4rd3d> UPS lies
[16:51:14] <r00t4rd3d> well their tracking site does sometimes
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[17:10:17] <anonimasu> Icekiller: probably the ground spacer ring or modified face's of the bearings to apply preload
[17:10:35] <JesusAlos> Hi
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[17:16:13] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/3muJgYo.png << this is how xchat should look
[17:17:11] <Tecan> theres an all chans tab under the browser too so you can see everything at once
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[17:24:26] <Icekiller> IchGuckLive ?
[17:25:56] <Loetmichel> anonimasu: i've made about 30 of these units 'til now...
[17:26:07] <Loetmichel> in 3 to 6 doublepacks
[17:26:39] <Loetmichel> they are the Top/bottom plates for a "5,25" usb Drive"
[17:26:53] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13998
[17:27:00] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=10883
[17:27:04] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=10880
[17:27:09] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=10886
[17:27:39] <Loetmichel> because the computers my company makes are shielded against eavesdropping and have a front lid
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[17:34:20] <anonimasu> I see
[17:37:22] <anonimasu> tomorrow will be the day of hell, aligning tailstock and cutting shafts out of ss2225
[17:38:04] <anonimasu> 130mm dia and they go down to 100mm and 80 when dne
[17:38:05] <anonimasu> done
[17:38:28] <anonimasu> then off to harden and finish machine with a pcbn insert..
[17:38:52] <Icekiller> IchGuckLive :P wth man
[17:39:05] <anonimasu> 60hrc.. -_-
[17:42:12] <anonimasu> it'll be interesting to say at least.
[17:44:07] <archivist> finish after harden can mean it starts bending as you release strain :)
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[17:45:34] <anonimasu> 1mm left to finish after hardening probably will not deform my part very much
[17:46:25] <anonimasu> im more worried how the threads on it will go after hardening
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[17:47:56] <archivist> through or case hardening ?
[17:48:13] <anonimasu> through
[17:48:36] <anonimasu> the hardener I have locally said that the dimensional change is usually around 0.2%
[17:48:37] <Loetmichel> case hardening with 1mm work left to do is calling for trible i would think
[17:49:25] <anonimasu> if it dosent work well enough i'll nitride harden them and machine to final size +/- a few um
[17:49:36] <anonimasu> before that
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[18:02:32] <MarkusBec> Loetmichel, ReadError I have vfd from donfoss with current vektor controll
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[18:03:13] <Loetmichel> danfoss?
[18:03:21] <MarkusBec> ja
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[18:04:07] <ReadError> how hard is it to integrate the VFD with EMC ?
[18:04:14] <MarkusBec> http://www.danfoss.com/Germany/BusinessAreas/DrivesSolutions/Frequency+Converters/VLT+AutomationDrive+FC+300.htm
[18:04:20] <Loetmichel> hmmm, btw: is that CNC route now yours or still lilalinux'?
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[18:04:35] <MarkusBec> 50%
[18:05:22] <Loetmichel> ReadError: near to noting, two portpins for left and right and optionally a PWM pin wit r and C for spindle speeed control
[18:05:46] <MarkusBec> If i have time I will use modbus
[18:09:18] <ReadError> would i be better off with a router+superpid?
[18:10:07] <MarkusBec> superpid?
[18:13:12] <ReadError> http://www.vhipe.com/product-private/SuperPID.htm
[18:16:19] <MarkusBec> modbus will work with emc
[18:16:44] <MarkusBec> PWM out too
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[18:46:01] <jeeves_moss> coudl someone here reccomend a good home machinist channel? I know this is for CNC, but a quick google didn't reviel anything
[18:46:28] <IchGuckLive> here you are right
[18:46:33] <IchGuckLive> jeeves_moss:
[18:46:42] <IchGuckLive> continent Europ or USA
[18:47:29] <jeeves_moss> Canada
[18:47:51] <jeeves_moss> right now, it dosen't matter. I'm just looking for advice on how to properly bore a blind hole without breaking the cutter
[18:48:05] <archivist> carefully
[18:48:33] <jeeves_moss> lol, thanks for the update
[18:48:37] <archivist> putting a rigid stop would help
[18:49:18] <archivist> and listen to the cutter
[18:49:31] <jeeves_moss> I was thinking of setting up the mill so that the Z axis would have a hard stop at the depth I wanted (first put the bar in and "bottom it out" without the mill running, then move the cutter the the center, and pull it down to the stop)
[18:50:22] <jeeves_moss> the hole needs to be finished to 1.125, so I was thinking of center drilling it with a 3/8, then use a 2 flute 1" end mill to "get it there", then bore it out the final 0.125
[18:50:28] <archivist> mill... bore a blind hole would normally imply lathe :)
[18:51:24] <jeeves_moss> lol, naaa. I'm doing this the hard way. this dumb sterling engine is starting to make my head hurt.
[18:52:03] <jeeves_moss> and the old 10" lathe I have moves around a lot. it's only good for rough stuff at the size of the hot cap I'm making. someone sudgested that I make up the hot cap from flat stock, and some pipe
[18:52:30] <archivist> do you have a rotary table
[18:52:43] <jeeves_moss> and since I'm a computer engineer, my first idea was to just CNC this mess. But I needed a challange.
[18:52:53] <jeeves_moss> and yes, I have a rotary table
[18:53:22] <Jymmm> Want a challenge? duct tape and bailing wire.
[18:53:39] <jeeves_moss> lol. that's how most of my networks are held togethere
[18:53:45] <archivist> you can use smaller cutters and helical bore using the rotary
[18:54:40] <jeeves_moss> this is what I found on-line so far
http://www.jjjtrain.com/vms/lathe_boring/lathe_boring_04.html
[18:56:27] <jeeves_moss> well, since I can't get into the shop today, it'll have to be Monday.
[18:56:32] <jeeves_moss> thanks again for your help
[18:56:39] <archivist> for milling a bore on a manual machine, a lot would have used a boring head after some clearance
[18:57:31] <jeeves_moss> next quick question
[18:58:31] <anonimasu> jeeves_moss: usually you just bore it to the final depth(with great care) no special tricks to it
[18:58:35] <jeeves_moss> if I have a single peice of cold rolled steel that I've got 3 peices from on the band saw, can I clam all of them side by side in the vice on the mill and fly cut the tops of them flat, or will they chatter around when the cutter hits them? I'm just looking to make this as quick as possible
[18:59:01] <anonimasu> they'll most likely chatter
[18:59:24] <archivist> I bet they wont grip well
[18:59:40] <jeeves_moss> even though they'd be hammered down flat to the bottom of the vice? and they were all cut from the same bar stock?
[18:59:41] <anonimasu> one trick would be to put a shim between of something compilant...
[18:59:53] <anonimasu> yeah
[18:59:55] <jeeves_moss> they're 1.5" sq stock
[19:00:29] <jeeves_moss> damn it. so what should I use for shim material? as I said, I want to flat them off so one end is square, then I can flip 'em and mill them ALL the the same height
[19:01:02] <anonimasu> or you can do them all in a series operation, where you cut the top off and just swap part and hammer them down
[19:01:50] <jeeves_moss> my concern with that is that if I don't get them totally hammered down, they'll be different heights. I tried that with the first set and they're all out by 7-10 thou
[19:02:05] <anonimasu> a strip of thin aluminium sheet would work.. anything that gives you a few 0.01mm's..
[19:02:14] <archivist> 7-10 thou is operator error
[19:02:44] <anonimasu> yep
[19:02:53] <jeeves_moss> I think I have some thin strips off of some scrap. I'm just trying to reduce it as much as possible. (being a computer tech by trade makes you a "nit picker")
[19:03:12] <archivist> look at the crap you left in the bottom of the vice
[19:03:33] <jeeves_moss> I blew it out before I put it in, and wiped it and the chunks off with a rag first
[19:03:48] <archivist> and the burs on the bar?
[19:03:49] <anonimasu> what vise do you have?
[19:03:58] <jeeves_moss> I think I didn't have the vice tight enough when I hammered them down and they bounced.
[19:04:00] <Tom_itx> make sure the vice isn't lifting the side up
[19:04:04] <jeeves_moss> I can't remember the brand.
[19:04:11] <anonimasu> is it a machine vise/no lift one
[19:04:14] <anonimasu> or a drill/mill vise?
[19:04:21] <archivist> a bad vice lifts the work
[19:04:25] <Tom_itx> the moveable side will lift on some
[19:04:26] <Tecan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OkWiweBs6w << EPIC Mini Guns...That Fire Real Bullets
[19:04:28] <jeeves_moss> I know it has KKK on the back. And it's a mill vice.
[19:04:30] <Tom_itx> bad bad bad for machining
[19:04:36] <Tom_itx> kurt are best
[19:04:38] <Tom_itx> etc
[19:04:49] <jeeves_moss> Tecan, do you know if there are plans out there for that?
[19:05:11] <anonimasu> I have a vertex one from taiwan it works decent
[19:05:16] <Tecan> i wouldnt know how to make the bullets
[19:05:17] <jeeves_moss> we wrote "My vice is that I'm racist" on the back of it.
[19:05:21] <Tecan> no sorry
[19:05:43] <jeeves_moss> anonimasu, and it's heavy as f**k.
[19:05:49] <anonimasu> you can put a indicstor on top of the vise and see how the movable jaw go when you tighten it
[19:05:50] <Tom_itx> as it should be
[19:05:52] <Tecan> i immagine it would be the real parts just scaled down and less of them ?
[19:06:38] <jeeves_moss> anonimasu, the tool and die maker at the shop hasent complained about it yet.
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[19:07:20] <anonimasu> that dosent say anything.. experienced machinists usually have a way to make things work out good :)
[19:08:05] <jeeves_moss> well, tomorrow's job is to get those hot caps milled, bored out, and drilled. then to get the cold ends drilled and dressed to the proper height. that should take the better part of a day
[19:08:26] <anonimasu> I'd change with you I dont want to make shafts :D
[19:09:40] <jeeves_moss> anonimasu, actually........ That's also on my list tomorrow. I have to figure out the tempermental CNC lathe. No one has been able to get it to work. The owner had purchased it knowing it had "problems". So far, I've got mad enough that I ripped out the controller and spent a few weeks fixing cold solder joints and rewiring it since the wire was frayed.
[19:09:54] <anonimasu> what controller was it?
[19:10:28] <jeeves_moss> there isn't any markings on the covers on the boards, and the control panel says Func.
[19:10:35] <anonimasu> fanuc?
[19:11:12] <jeeves_moss> yea. something like that
[19:11:26] <jeeves_moss> I think what happened was someone tried to "fix" it before and mangled it
[19:11:30] <anonimasu> it's weird for the old ones to break..
[19:12:39] <jeeves_moss> as I said. it looks like someone was in there with sidecutters. I don't think the thing actually "broke" per se, but it was more like it suffred the ham fisted attempts of someone
[19:13:27] <jeeves_moss> I kind of feel sorry for it. But, now that we have the proper software for it, the owner is tinkering.
[19:13:50] <anonimasu> got a parameter backup?
[19:14:02] <jeeves_moss> I'm not sure what that means
[19:14:21] <anonimasu> there's parameters for thoose lathes, some which cant be backed up by data transfer
[19:14:30] <anonimasu> and if you dont have them you are in for alot of pain
[19:15:22] <anonimasu> (if you ever lose them)
[19:15:28] <jeeves_moss> oh god. I have a feeling that this is going to be a big broken mess!
[19:15:31] <anonimasu> like backup battery failing.
[19:15:43] <anonimasu> (they have to be replaced with power on)
[19:16:01] <anonimasu> good machinebuilders store them tho.
[19:16:10] <jeeves_moss> oh shit. yea, that's going to be written on the inside of the controller cover.
[19:16:29] <anonimasu> I spent like 3 months or tinkering with my lathe to cut a part on it
[19:16:56] <anonimasu> simply to get the parameters read out from paper tapes and getting all options and all pmc(stuff you cant backup) back, from a similiar lathe
[19:17:38] <jeeves_moss> is it docummented somewhere on-line if it gets lost?
[19:17:41] <anonimasu> no
[19:18:01] <anonimasu> best luck is to look for some shop with the same machine close in serial number
[19:18:18] <anonimasu> if it happens and contact the machine builder
[19:18:49] <jeeves_moss> ok. good to know. I'll let him know when I go in tomorrow before he starts messing too much
[19:18:55] <anonimasu> a fanuc tech can fix it too(comissioning everything again) and reading the plc to see what timers/counters/shit
[19:19:19] <anonimasu> atleast you should write the pmc parameters down and try to see if you have a copy of the other parameters(or the pmc data too)
[19:19:24] <anonimasu> before you disconnect it and start messing
[19:19:45] <anonimasu> fanuc has free phone support atleast over here
[19:20:04] <anonimasu> but they dont know much of ancient controllers
[19:20:43] <anonimasu> if you have a parameter backup and backup of the pmc stuff(the plc data) you are pretty safe
[19:20:47] <jeeves_moss> ok, thanks for the help. hopefully tomorrow I can get this engine parts done tomorrow. then I can go back into my little "hole" I have in the back corner of the shop to play with the lathe. That's about the only thing I'm good at.
[19:21:01] <anonimasu> my lathe arrived with the control stuck, so i had to nuke all settings to get it running
[19:21:53] <jeeves_moss> that would really suck. (not that I've ever had to do it, but I know computers, and how much I hate them after 17 years)
[19:22:21] <anonimasu> lathes are temperamental at best and so is computers.. now imagine :D
[19:23:21] <jeeves_moss> lol. I've got a network attached storage server with 12Tb of space on it that is currently rebuilding the array after a failed disk. just under 36 hours now and still chewing
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[19:30:00] <jeeves_moss> anonimasu, thanks again for the info. I'm off to fight with this NAS. apparently the e-mail server hasn't been able to backup in almost 3 weeks
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[19:36:25] <Tecan> would a replica machine gun lathed out hold up to rapidfire ?
[19:37:07] <Tecan> there's no special sleevs or anything just porting righ t?
[19:38:27] <alex4nder> Tecan: the question is: would your wallet hold up to a BATFE criminal suit?
[19:40:35] <Tecan> no probably not, was just wondering the feasability of it being reliable
[19:41:36] <Tecan> the quality of the metal
[19:42:43] <r00t4rd3d> i have all the parts for a new z axis cut then i change my idea :(
[19:45:00] <mrsun> http://www.bearingboys.co.uk/INA_Combined_Bearings_-_NKIA-1772-c what do you think about those for spindle bearings? :)
[19:47:05] <Tecan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy5npsYuSb0 LOL copper pipe shotgun
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[19:49:52] <mrsun> Tecan, well that soldering job wasnt the prettiest either :P
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[19:52:35] <mrsun> i wouldnt trust that as far as i could throw it
[19:52:42] <mrsun> :P
[19:57:09] <Tecan> looks legit other than it could go off at anytime
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[20:00:31] <Tecan> or the nail could come flying out
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[20:18:21] <motioncontrol> Hi at all. one question , the cycle g81 is = g85 and G89 is = G82 because more cycle for the some fuction ?
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[20:44:20] <JT-Shop> looks that way
[20:47:20] <anonimasu> mrsun: for the top floating one?
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[20:50:18] <mrsun> anonimasu, huh ?
[20:50:20] <mrsun> about the bearing
[20:50:30] <mrsun> its a needle bearing combined with a angular contact bearing
[20:50:58] <mrsun> so it would be able to handle great loads in what is it called .. when pushed to the side like a spindle needs
[20:51:10] <mrsun> and still being held good top to bottom
[20:51:41] <anonimasu> radial it is your talking about
[20:52:02] <anonimasu> how small spindle are you building?
[20:52:15] <mrsun> anonimasu, was a thought only for both lathe spindles and milling spindles =)
[20:52:47] <anonimasu> they are usually angular contact ones for that
[20:52:54] <mrsun> but mostly i was thinking for a gah words slip me tonight .. rotational table ...
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[20:53:10] <mrsun> anonimasu, ye but those are combined with needle bearings also or roller bearings maybe its called
[20:53:21] <mrsun> so should be able to take a heck of alot of radial load
[20:53:23] <anonimasu> angular contact roller bearings
[20:53:36] <anonimasu> :)
[20:53:43] <mrsun> http://www.bearingboys.co.uk/uploads/nkia%20combined%20bearings.png
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[20:53:56] <anonimasu> they handle more load and you dont hae the same tolerance requirements for a shaft to fit them
[20:54:42] <anonimasu> im looking at making a spindle someday soon, but I'll ship the shaft to the hardener when I ship stuff from work, then turn the od and send it off to grind the id
[20:55:34] <anonimasu> mrsun: are you going to grind the shaft for thoose bearings?
[20:55:51] <mrsun> anonimasu, this was just a thought to about if it would be a good bearing to use
[20:55:56] <mrsun> im not making a spindle atm =)
[20:56:20] <anonimasu> it would, no doubt but the shaft requirements for thoose kind of bearings are not quite that simple to get at home
[20:56:50] <mrsun> what would be required of the shaft? :)
[20:57:16] <anonimasu> ah, i didnt see that they are with centers :D
[20:57:27] <mrsun> :P
[20:57:46] <anonimasu> tho, i'd go with angular any day, it's how every spindle pretty much is built nowdays
[20:57:56] <mrsun> anonimasu, but they are angular!
[20:57:59] <mrsun> and roller
[20:58:00] <mrsun> :P
[20:58:02] <mrsun> combined!
[20:58:06] <anonimasu> angular roller bearings
[20:58:07] <mrsun> wtfpwn bearings
[20:58:17] <mrsun> anonimasu, they are angular roller bearings
[20:58:20] <mrsun> .. :P
[20:58:23] <anonimasu> haha
[20:58:27] <mrsun> look at the drawing!
[20:58:46] <anonimasu> plus, I'd think you need a pretty close tolerance to not get thermal buildup in them
[20:59:02] <anonimasu> (for the shaft) if you want it dead concentric
[20:59:25] <anonimasu> they dont seem that cheap compared to angular contact(ROLLER) bearings either
[20:59:34] <anonimasu> atleast not for the bigger sizes
[20:59:46] <mrsun> but using those would be like using angular contact bearings, only you get a much stronger radial strenght as they are combines with the straight roller bearing
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[21:02:32] * mrsun can hear how anonimasu is banging his head against the desk by now
[21:03:02] <anonimasu> actually im looking at how close a HSK taper needs to be machined(ground)
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[21:09:03] <anonimasu> seems like finding a grinder that can do that is heavy.
[21:09:51] <anonimasu> I want to build a small 40k rpm spindle :D
[21:12:48] <mrsun> anonimasu, do it with the angle grinder ;)
[21:13:23] <anonimasu> no problem..
[21:13:31] <anonimasu> but I cant measure it.
[21:15:52] <anonimasu> err, correction nobody around this part of the world can probably.
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[21:48:59] <mercuryrising> when i have paused linuxcnc, it seems like it doesn't factor the pause into the piece - my prints become misaligned when I pause (although, depending on the timing, it can work better or worse)
[21:49:21] <mercuryrising> should it be working correctly, or is the pause like an Estop (when you press it, it's likely done)
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[21:56:27] <Icekiller> cough anyone got any 25 hiwin rails
[21:58:18] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[22:06:26] <ReadError> mercuryrising whats it do?
[22:06:33] <ReadError> when i pause and continue it works
[22:06:43] <mercuryrising> it works - but it is offset from where it should be
[22:06:54] <mercuryrising> after the pause point, all my layers are shifted
[22:07:06] <ReadError> backlash ?
[22:07:19] <ReadError> you using the pause button in linuxcnc?
[22:07:25] <mercuryrising> im not sure, it only happens that severely when i pause
[22:07:26] <mercuryrising> yes
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[22:12:23] <mercuryrising> and it seems like it may be a result of what the print head is doing when I pause, as sometimes I can pause and it's completely fine, but other times it is shifted significantly
[22:12:47] <mercuryrising> it seems like when it's traveling faster, there is more of a shift
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[22:15:08] <pcw_home> AFAIK, pause should not hurt the path, but your extruder needs to do the right thing (backup)?
[22:15:22] <ReadError> oh
[22:15:26] <ReadError> its a 3d printer ?
[22:15:31] <mercuryrising> yeah
[22:15:46] <ReadError> what controller board
[22:15:48] <mercuryrising> hobbycnc
[22:15:52] <L84Supper> the nozzles on repraps are toys
[22:16:02] <L84Supper> so don't expect much
[22:16:30] <mercuryrising> pcw_home: you mean retract?
[22:16:35] <L84Supper> hot melt glue guns with DC motors
[22:17:06] <pcw_home> Ooze prevention
[22:17:10] <mercuryrising> I don't really think it would be a nozzle issue, as my X/Y/Z are what is incorrect (they are commanding the extruder to 'incorrect' positions)
[22:17:45] <mercuryrising> let me take a picture of this so we're on same page
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[22:20:22] <L84Supper> open loop steppers + who knows what, when you hit pause. Sounds like lots of slop in the mechanics, unless that stepper driver doesn't actually stop the motors.
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[22:21:30] <mercuryrising> stop the motors as in shut them off?
[22:21:46] <mercuryrising> (cut power to them)
[22:24:09] <L84Supper> mercuryrising: is that what you are doing vs pausing?
[22:24:27] <mercuryrising> no, im hitting the pause button - the motors are still powered
[22:25:19] <L84Supper> is the hobbycnc board connected over USB?
[22:26:20] <mercuryrising> no, parallel
[22:27:14] <mercuryrising> http://imgur.com/AKRAliP
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[22:28:11] <mercuryrising> i can see slop being the answer, instead of gradually slowing down from a fast speed, it quickly slows down
[22:28:32] <mercuryrising> is there any way to tune the pause parameters, or run some gcode or a script when I hit pause?
[22:29:41] <L84Supper> is there less play when moving at lower speeds and more play when moving at higher speeds?
[22:30:08] <mercuryrising> yes - when it's traveling faster and i pause it shifts more
[22:30:43] <L84Supper> what are you using for positioners? leadscrews? belts and pulleys?
[22:30:49] <mercuryrising> leadscrews
[22:32:00] <L84Supper> have you checked the lash with a dial/laser encoder or indicator?
[22:32:24] <Jymmm> pics or it never happened
[22:32:31] <L84Supper> heh
[22:32:57] <ReadError> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyK-lYNJieI
[22:33:02] <ReadError> this homeless guy rocks
[22:33:04] <mercuryrising> no, how would you test it? pause it when it's running at different speeds and see how far it goes?
[22:33:15] <L84Supper> or TV News, excluding Faux/Fox
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[22:36:08] <L84Supper> mercuryrising: most repraps are rickety toys that are full of play. It sounds like you'll have to figure out where there play is in your setup and adjust or replace the sloppy parts
[22:37:40] <mercuryrising> mine's probably just as rickety, but it's not a reprap :P
http://imgur.com/sxbNz
[22:39:07] <L84Supper> the dual drawer slides in the z-axis might be one area that has lots of play in the x and y
[22:39:55] <Jymmm> held together with duct tape and wondering way pause is misaligned?
[22:40:04] <L84Supper> for $100 more on ebay you could make that setup rock solid
[22:40:08] <Jymmm> s/way/why/
[22:40:37] <mercuryrising> ducttape is to hold the aluminum foil to shield the wires
[22:41:08] <mercuryrising> what would you change first L84Supper?
[22:42:57] <L84Supper> I'd need more pics. Under the table/stage as well. Assuming the lowest axis is X, What are you using for the Y-axis positioning?
[22:43:46] * Jymmm would toss everything that's on the table into the dumpster
[22:44:30] <L84Supper> Jymmm: not a recycling bin?
[22:44:43] <mercuryrising> leadscrew -
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pacific-Bearing-Linear-Stage-Teflon-Screw-Motor-Mount-/130839253636
[22:45:00] <mercuryrising> thanks Jymmm, you give some sound advice
[22:45:19] <Jymmm> L84Supper: maybe, but that wiring has gotta go.
[22:45:55] <L84Supper> Jymmm: it keeps the commies from listening in
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[22:46:06] <Jymmm> only in hat form
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[22:47:52] <L84Supper> I have an article from a 1964 Scientific American that begs to differ
[22:47:58] <mercuryrising> i (stupidly) used unshielded wires, and the motor's current was interfering with the extruder motor (it would just click and clack around), it was supposed to be a temporary solution, but it's working pretty damn well at the moment (well enough where other things can change before I fix it, it's ugly, but it works)
[22:48:56] <L84Supper> mercuryrising: there are several things that need some work that all add up to having play in your system
[22:49:35] <L84Supper> and the pic kind of begs for some fun being poked at it
[22:49:42] <Jymmm> Toss on a dial indicator and see what happens.
[22:50:04] <L84Supper> wiring, wood, poor assembly and alignment etc etc
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[22:50:52] <mercuryrising> :) i know, it's not the most glorious thing in the world
[22:51:23] <mercuryrising> so i get a dial indicator, and I just run around with it to see how far off stuff is?
[22:51:42] <L84Supper> get the wiring straightened out first, then get the indicator on everything
[22:52:09] <L84Supper> move things around by hand and you'll see where all the play is
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[22:52:21] <Jymmm> measure backlash and varoius points, measure movement before/after pause, etc
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[22:53:13] <ReadError> holy hot mess batman
[22:54:15] <mercuryrising> will this dial indicator work -
http://www.amazon.com/TEKTON-7169-0-1-Inch-Dial-Indicator/dp/B000NPPBVK/
[22:54:48] <mercuryrising> or is there one that's way better for a similar price (<$30)
[22:55:20] <mercuryrising> you guys might not be the best to ask for advice on the cheaper stuff...
[22:55:38] <ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0043F779K/ref=wms_ohs_product
[22:55:40] <ReadError> thats what i got
[22:55:45] <L84Supper> yeah, cheap tends to be cheap
[22:55:46] <ReadError> got decent reviews, works good
[22:55:56] <Jymmm> http://www.amazon.com/Dial-Indicator-Magnetic-Base-Point/dp/B002YPHT76/ref=pd_cp_hi_2
[22:56:00] <ReadError> TÜRLEN
[22:56:04] <ReadError> its german!
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[22:56:31] <L84Supper> lots of Germans in China
[22:56:42] <ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EHHPDU/ref=wms_ohs_product
[22:56:45] <ReadError> thats what i got as well
[22:56:47] <syyl> looks like 100% chinese..
[22:56:48] <syyl> :D
[22:57:12] <ReadError> hey, it works ;)
[22:58:06] <L84Supper> the filament extruded by repraps are pretty big compared to +-25um that that indicator should be capable of
[22:59:07] <L84Supper> he's got ~0.5mm or more of play now
[23:01:38] <Jymmm> He's not measuring distances as much as differences.
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[23:04:30] <L84Supper> this is the reason I just can't bear spending any time in the reprap channels
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[23:08:07] <L84Supper> DIYers that want to build precision machines that don't know which end of a screwdriver to hold, free and broken software, 20 somethings that know it all about engineering, materials science and polymer chemistry
[23:08:42] <alex4nder> L84Supper: haven't you heard? traditional machining is dead.
[23:11:45] <L84Supper> alex4nder: untraditional machining is where it's at
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[23:12:29] <alex4nder> L84Supper: yah, but for some reason all of my parts look like they are built out of dried toothpaste.
[23:12:36] <alex4nder> still trying to figure that one out
[23:14:08] <L84Supper> maybe it is toothpaste
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[23:14:50] <mercuryrising> thanks a lot for the help guys! time to go watch some (hopefully good) commercials
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[23:17:24] <anonimasu> L84Supper: I woud not trust a $15 dial indicator for anything important
[23:18:29] <anonimasu> I have a "decently" cheap id gauge (150eur) and I still make plug gauges off the mitutoyo micrometer's off mine to double check with for anything higher precision..
[23:18:33] <anonimasu> go/no go gauges
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[23:20:26] <skunkworks> pcw_home: you had a way to connect encoders to the 7i76 - using the 2 inputs? (say for a jog wheel?)
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[23:31:43] <tjb1> ReadError: Got the SD card working
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