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[00:03:15] <L84Supper> not sure what peter has for output devices on that card but what will destroy a gate is too high a voltage, too much load current, reverse bias and latch-up (parasitic thyristors)
[00:04:13] <L84Supper> and the slow killer electromigration
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[00:09:01] <tjtr33> yeh, the design may not be known, but the manual's info '32 sinking inputs and 16 sourcing outputs. Inputs ... 5V to 32V signals and the outputs can switch 5V through 28V signals. Maximum output load is 300 mA' ... that, plus pcw's conversation and Connors requirements is all thats known.
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[00:19:11] <L84Supper> http://www.mesanet.com/graphics/parallel/7i77colo.png I can't see the part numbers clear enough
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[00:36:00] <JT-Shop> pcw_home: what is the link to your sample 7i76 configuration files?
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[00:43:02] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, the first wave is on it's way to you
[00:43:08] <Tom_itx> the 2nd wave looks much worse
[00:43:48] <JT-Shop> yuck
[00:44:01] <Tom_itx> it was clear for a while here
[00:44:43] <Tom_itx> well we need the moisture but i'd rather it be rain
[00:44:55] <JT-Shop> not much on local radar
[00:45:41] <JT-Shop> still south of me
[00:46:13] * Jymmm grabs JT-Shop, grabs a keg, heads to Tom_itx to pee on his lawn.... How's that for moisture Tom_itx?
[00:46:22] <Tom_itx> http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?region=jef
[00:46:25] <JT-Shop> lol
[00:46:29] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, the dogs take care of that part
[00:47:01] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Hey can the dogs write their name like JT-Shop is doing?
[00:47:07] <JT-Shop> I can ony pee my name in the snow in morse code
[00:47:24] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Do your dogs know morse code?
[00:47:31] <Valen> JT-Shop: you need a longer hose for better accuracy
[00:47:42] <JT-Shop> only onedog
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[01:07:57] <PCW> JT-Shop: freeby.mesanet.com/5i26-7i76.ini (uses normal hm2-stepper.hal demo)
[01:08:29] <PCW> sorry: freeby.mesanet.com/5i25-7i76.ini
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[01:18:24] <Connor> PCW What's the best way to wire up output from a I/O on 7i77 for a 24v relay so that both the MESA card can energize it, or a external switch can. I'm concerned about the switch sending 24v into the output of the MESA.
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[01:20:41] <PCW> safest way would be with a diode in series with the 7I77 output (and flyback diode across relay)
[01:20:43] <PCW> that way the 7I77 never sees the 24V
[01:21:19] <Connor> okay, so, the fly back diode in the 7i77 isn't enough protection...
[01:22:52] <PCW> Its not that, its that you may damage the 7I77 if you apply 24V to an output when the 7I77 is unpowered
[01:23:06] <Connor> ok.
[01:23:30] <Connor> so, diode in series.. and one backwards across the coil unless using a SSR
[01:23:31] <Jymmm> PCW: WE WANT THE TONKA VERSION!!
[01:24:18] <PCW> It may be OK without but I dont know, you probably dont want to have to replace a NCP7608
[01:24:42] <Connor> better safe than sorry. :)
[01:25:00] <Connor> diodes are cheap.. and can be done in series with some heat shrink.. :)
[01:25:07] <Jymmm> PCW: 7i77T(onka)
[01:26:24] <Connor> Is there a way to do a "charge" pump setup with the mesa card since it has the watch dog timer ?
[01:27:01] <PCW> Not getting this Tonka thing...
[01:27:41] <PCW> Not sure what you mean about charge pump
[01:27:55] <Jymmm> PCW: Tonka toys, the trucks are INDESTRUCTIBLE
[01:28:27] <Jymmm> http://www.information-facts.com/wp-content/uploads/Tonka-Truck.jpg
[01:28:28] <Connor> Well. In case the PC goes nuts.. I want it to kill 24v signal I have going to a relay which is in series with my -Estop.
[01:28:45] <Jymmm> http://www.automopedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/newtonkadumptruck.gif
[01:29:10] <PCW> the 7I77 is pretty tough but we have blown up NCV 7608s with too large inductive loads (small step motors)
[01:30:46] <Connor> I.E. have a I/O that's linked to the machine On/Off. when toggle on, it provides 24v to my E-Stop chain.. complete with a latching relay. If it looses 24v.. It trips.. everything goes dead.
[01:30:49] <Jymmm> PCW: are stepper normally driven directly from the 7i77?
[01:30:55] <Jymmm> directly
[01:31:30] <Jymmm> Connor: are you using a Safety Relay?
[01:31:37] <Jymmm> a real one.
[01:31:39] <PCW> There are watchdogs in the FPGA and 7I77 (7I77 50 ms FPGA programmable)
[01:31:41] <PCW> that will disable all outputs if communications are lost
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[01:31:52] <Connor> Jymmm: No. Not in this instance.
[01:33:08] <Connor> I never could get anyway to explain to me exactly what a safety relay did over a regular one. I this case.. I'm using a relay in a latching setup with a push-to-start button.. with E-Stop and limits in series.
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[01:33:45] <PCW> watchdogs do not prevent situations where zombie real time threads keep the watchdogs happy however
[01:33:45] <Connor> If I can use 24v sourced from the Mesa, then.. if the PC goes crazzy.. Mesa cuts the 24v.. so, acts like a charge pump.
[01:34:28] <Connor> PCW So, not a real substitute for a real charge pump.
[01:34:53] <PCW> well a charge pump suffers the same limitation
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[01:35:53] <Connor> That sound like a limitation for the whole concept then.. nothing I can fix.. E-Stop, limits and charge pump is about as good as one can do..
[01:38:14] <skunkworks> I had the computer hd start going bad - causing the computer to pause - the mesa watchdog bit
[01:39:34] <PCW> Is there a LinuxCNC watchdog for hal lost comms with rest of LinuxCNC?
[01:47:02] <skunkworks> I don't know the guts very well
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[02:09:15] <skunkworks> it is quite unnerving when the k&t goes into estop out of the blue
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[02:41:53] <skunkworks> who needs servos!
[02:41:55] <skunkworks> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema34-closed-loop-stepper-motor-system-hybrid-servo-kit
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[03:22:10] <PCW> (that is a servo)
[03:24:29] <Valen> just joined the # and saw that, I don't know why but i read it in the "THIS IS SPARTA!" voice "THIS IS SERVO!"
[03:24:43] <Valen> shouldnt you be sleeping PCW?
[03:25:26] <PCW> Probably its only 7:30 PM but I'm old...
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[03:31:03] <Valen> should you at least be pcw_home then?
[03:31:33] * Valen is amused by the thaught of making PCWs home computer go *ding* and startling some cats or something ;->
[03:33:18] <roycroft> wow, somebody here who is in my timezone
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[05:29:59] <tjb1> Are we still dinging cats here? PCW
[05:30:13] <tjb1> pcw_home:
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[06:33:22] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[07:07:58] <mrsun_> hmm making gears with the button methode doesnt seem to produce true involute form ?
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[07:20:00] <archivist> button?
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[07:20:59] <mrsun_> yeah two round buttons of a given dimensions with a given spacing to cut gear cutters with
[07:21:16] <mrsun_> http://mikesworkshop.weebly.com/designing-gear-cutters.html
[07:23:17] <archivist> ah that bodge
[07:24:32] <mrsun_> finding it hard to find anything good on gear cutting, people do it everywhere but its mostly like "here look i ground a tool, wont tell you how i did it but here i cut a gear with it!"
[07:24:33] <mrsun_> :P
[07:24:53] <mrsun_> i was thinking using the mill to grind a hss bit to shape for cutting gears for the lathe :P
[07:25:03] <archivist> I could tell you a few truths :)
[07:25:31] <archivist> all depends on what the gear will be doing
[07:25:31] <mrsun_> like? :)
[07:25:53] <mrsun_> rotating the leadscrew :P
[07:26:04] <mrsun_> and transfering power for the back gear on the lathe :P
[07:26:27] <archivist> you want a bit of accuracy for lead screw
[07:26:42] <archivist> and you dont want noisy
[07:27:19] <mrsun_> atm teeth are broken off etc on the bull gear on the lathe so its quuiite noisy :P
[07:27:24] <archivist> that means get closer to correct form
[07:27:48] <mrsun_> katchonk, katchonk over and over :P
[07:29:19] <archivist> I grind my tool to fit the least worn tooth profile under the microscope sometimes
[07:29:48] <mrsun_> with my grinding experience i will never be able to hand grind a tool :P
[07:31:44] <archivist> dremel and microscope can be delicate, use a finer grinding bit
[07:32:00] <Jymmm> Does anyone know what's involved in rifling a barrel?
[07:32:37] <Jymmm> (in a nut shell)
[07:32:50] <archivist> before hardening I have the microscope over the vice and use a file
[07:36:05] <mrsun_> ye true if you have drill rod i guess :P
[07:36:22] <mrsun_> but nicest would be to get them ground directly in hss :P
[07:37:12] <toastydeath> mrsun_, are you talking about manual gearcutting or cnc
[07:37:30] <mrsun_> using cnc mill to grind the tool
[07:37:33] <mrsun_> for cutting gears
[07:38:01] <toastydeath> do you have a cnc rotary table
[07:38:05] <mrsun_> no
[07:38:17] <toastydeath> ah, that would make the math a lot easier, oh well
[07:39:02] <toastydeath> and i assume the circular approximation isn't good enough?
[07:39:42] <mrsun_> i was thinking put a hss square blank in, and let the machine grind away to make a proper tooth form on the tool =)
[07:39:50] <mrsun_> toastydeath, i guess it is as its an very old lathe =)
[07:39:58] <mrsun_> and any tooth is better then no tooth i guess :P
[07:40:27] <toastydeath> I'm not sure where to find the math for an involute profile, but if you ever get your hands on a cnc rotary table, gearcutters can be easily made
[07:40:28] <archivist> mrsun_, or if I am nice I give you a program to generate the profile, but it does need a cnc rotary
[07:41:56] <Jymmm> mrsun_: in other words.... pucker up!
[07:42:16] <mrsun_> huh
[07:42:16] <mrsun_> ?
[07:42:17] <mrsun_> pucker ?
[07:42:50] <Jymmm> mrsun_: (Hint: Tell archivist his pretty and doesn't look fat in that dress is a good start)
[07:43:07] <mrsun_> haha =)
[07:43:09] <mrsun_> but he is!
[07:44:00] <Jymmm> mrsun_: See, now you phuked up... you didn't pucker up and he has no reason to be nice
[07:44:11] <mrsun_> haha =)
[07:44:13] <mrsun_> lol :P
[07:44:29] <mrsun_> and i actualy loled this time irl also! =)
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[07:45:32] <toastydeath> mrsun_, if you have a rotab, you just carve the pressure angle of the gear onto each side of the wheel, and then you sync the spindle up/down speed with the perhiperal speed at the pitch diameter on the rotab
[07:45:34] <mrsun_> archivist, well if you are willing to share then sure =)
[07:45:47] <toastydeath> and essentially creep grind along
[07:46:12] <toastydeath> down at near full depth, feed in .001, up, feed, down, etc
[07:46:17] <toastydeath> redress, finish pass
[07:46:30] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[07:47:12] <toastydeath> since you're only doing one tooth for the cutter, it should go by pretty quickly
[07:48:19] <toastydeath> i guess if you wanted to grind a whole gear that would be fairly easy as well with a cnc mill
[07:49:07] <toastydeath> and faster, too
[07:49:19] <toastydeath> since there's no z axis movement and the rotab just spins
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[07:50:34] <mrsun_> toastydeath, but i want to make cutters as i need to make missing gears for the lathe also
[07:50:35] <mrsun_> =)
[07:50:46] <archivist> the trick is it is easy to make a rack form cutter
[07:50:54] <toastydeath> the process for making a cutter is the same as making a whole gear
[07:51:39] <mrsun_> does diamond burrs work to grind hss? :)
[07:51:42] <toastydeath> i guess if you're trying to cut a whole tooth at once it's not, which is what you're probably trying to do
[07:52:03] <toastydeath> no, don't use diamond on hss
[07:55:49] <mrsun_> and to much material to grind away to use small grinders i guess also :P
[07:56:23] <mrsun_> what i was thinking was to have a grinding stone in the spindle, then put a hss blank on the horizontal plane in the mill and let it just grind out the profile on the cutter ... if you havent got that yet =)
[07:56:39] <mrsun_> then use that cutter in a mandrel to cut the gears :P
[07:59:51] <archivist> I made a cutter grinder last year to sharpen a rack form cutter
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_11_01_Tool_grinder/IMG_1390.JPG
[08:00:12] <mrsun_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdX_oy3oQm0 something like that
[08:00:24] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_11_07_Drive_gear/IMG_1400.JPG
[08:02:39] <mrsun_> problem is finding a grinding stone small enough for the kind of grinding im thinking :P
[08:03:04] <mrsun_> that is < 3mm dia
[08:04:00] <archivist> for a single point tool you dont need a small stone
[08:05:17] <mrsun_> well depends on the setup, if doing as i was thinking i would need one smaller then the smallest button, if i would make it so i turn the tool over when one side is done i could go with any size stone i guess =)
[08:06:49] <mrsun_> but i would guess the stones would wear fast and i would have to redress it a couple of times before i get the right form
[08:11:57] <archivist> remember with the button method they are turned to diameter
[08:12:18] <archivist> no form grinding needed
[08:12:30] <mrsun_> mm
[08:12:47] <mrsun_> but will they work good together with real gears from a factory ? :)
[08:13:24] <mrsun_> and i guess i would need toolsteel if i want the cutter to last any
[08:13:45] <archivist> your old gears are probably worn from true form anyway
[08:14:29] <archivist> but all this effort can be replaced by just buying a few stock gears
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[08:21:04] <mrsun_> a few stock gears, bull gear for the lathe, and its not a south bend but a clone
[08:21:13] <mrsun_> dont know if its the same as for south bend or not
[08:21:18] <mrsun_> easy peasy
[08:21:25] <mrsun_> just go buy a gear in a grocery store ?
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[08:32:59] <archivist> HPC
[08:33:45] <archivist> http://www.hpcgears.com/products/spur_gears.htm
[08:34:19] <archivist> and also
http://www.davall.co.uk/davall-stock-gears/davall-stock-gears-overview/
[08:34:50] <archivist> and
http://www.wmberg.com/products/Spur-Gears-Stock.aspx
[08:35:20] <archivist> but HPC is 30 miles from me :)
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[08:41:03] <archivist> I tend to count the teeth and measure the OD and look up in an HPC catalogue to confirm my guess of module size or DP
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[09:49:38] <mrsun_> archivist, hmm ye, to check the modulo size? found a thing about using two gears to do it
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[09:50:02] <mrsun_> http://www.abbeyclock.com/gearing8.html i would shoot the one that has made the page for putting a clock that ticks on it tho :P
[09:51:51] <archivist> pick a gear , count teeth, measure the od tell me
[09:52:24] * archivist waits for the chimes
[09:53:19] <archivist> his clock graphic is different
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[09:55:42] <mrsun_> heh gonna do that then :P
[09:56:39] <cncbasher> iv'e never known a digital clock tick !
[09:58:22] <archivist> there were mechanical digitals in the 60's70's made a flapping noise
[09:58:51] <cncbasher> yea i remember them
[10:00:49] <archivist> I am sitting here thinking if that graphic could be made mechanically...it does chime!
[10:01:11] <mrsun_> 32T, OD 51.05
[10:02:20] <archivist> 1.5 mod
[10:02:29] <mrsun_> 28T, 44.95 OD
[10:02:59] <archivist> 1.5 mod
[10:03:10] <mrsun_> is that from a table ?
[10:03:19] <mrsun_> does the OD change with the mod or the number of teeth ?
[10:03:19] <archivist> mebe
[10:03:40] <mrsun_> ahh the OD
[10:03:46] <mrsun_> changed quite a bit with the mod :P
[10:04:20] <mrsun_> now the preasure angle .. hmm
[10:04:49] <archivist> I just look in the dead tree HPC catalogue till I see a 32t gear at 51mm od
[10:05:04] <mrsun_> =)
[10:05:15] <mrsun_> plugged the things into gearotic also and got the same numbers =)
[10:05:49] <archivist> hmm 6 old HPC catalogues here on the shelf
[10:06:29] <mrsun_> archivist, any idea how to check the preasure angle ? i see the base diameter changes quite a bit with the preasure angle
[10:06:30] <archivist> always make a point of getting the latest when I go to a show
[10:07:26] <mrsun_> but the base diameter, is that even measurable? or is it the root diameter you can measure ?
[10:07:27] <archivist> exceedingly likely to be 20 degrees as its a metric module
[10:10:49] <archivist> I have an angle measuring eyepiece mounted on a travelling microscope if I want to measure relative angles
[10:11:17] <mrsun_> well atleast now the module is known =)
[10:11:30] <mrsun_> and hopefully 20 degrees then on the preasure angle :P
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[10:25:47] <mrsun_> looks like the bull gear is mod 1.75 or so
[10:26:05] <mrsun_> measured on the back gear i got 24T at ~44.56 or so
[10:26:14] <mrsun_> 45.5 is mod 1.75 on 24T
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[11:00:41] <archivist> clock chimes 11...coffee :)
[11:17:38] <DJ9DJ> clock chimes 12 times. lunch time! ;)
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[12:23:01] <mrsun_> clock chimed and i smashed it with a sledge hammer
[12:23:12] <mrsun_> who the heck came up with the idea to make them sound :P
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[12:27:40] <archivist> I am waiting to the 1 oclock chime
[12:41:33] <Tom_itx> 39 min to go
[12:50:00] <mrsun_> if it is 20 degree preasure angle i guess buying a couple of sets of involute gear cutters isnt that bad either :P
[12:50:06] <mrsun_> gears can always be good to be able to make :P
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[12:55:14] <skunkworks> heh - it is interesting what the tool offset file is named
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/1237106-post2.html
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[13:18:41] <JesusAlos> hi
[13:18:46] <JesusAlos> hi
[13:19:46] <JesusAlos> pcw_home: My machine run, with probles for configuration, but run
[13:20:14] <JesusAlos> the las problem, resolve increase the error value
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[13:21:27] <JesusAlos> I think there are a problem with my servos, because they move until I don't put order
[13:22:05] <JesusAlos> even I disconnect the analog input driver wire, they move
[13:22:19] <JesusAlos> a bit, but move
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[13:23:09] <JesusAlos> so, when I increase the error value in pncconf, it resolve
[13:26:53] <JesusAlos> now, I have other problem
[13:27:20] <JesusAlos> wen Y axis go homing, appears two errors
[13:27:46] <JesusAlos> "Joint 1 on limit switch error"
[13:28:04] <JesusAlos> "Exceded negative soft limit on joint 1"
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[13:46:47] <jthornton> hmm, adding a tool tip text to the glade interface designer causes a segmentation fault
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[14:40:09] <JT-Shop> PCW: thanks
[14:40:40] <JT-Shop> JesusAlos: how did you set up your homing for that axis?
[14:41:23] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: we are just starting to get the frozen precip here
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[14:49:47] <JT-Shop> what can be more fun than dumping the ash bucket just as a gust of wind shows up?
[14:50:43] <Jymmm> dumping the outhouse bucket
[14:51:04] <JT-Shop> outhouse don't have a bucket... they have a hole in the ground
[14:51:30] <Jymmm> ok, dumping the shitter bucket
[14:52:08] <JesusAlos> JT-Shop: By default
[14:52:12] <Jymmm> emptying a pressurized black water tank and the hose falls off
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[14:52:18] <JesusAlos> the same like X
[14:52:28] <JesusAlos> this axis run ok
[14:52:53] <JesusAlos> In Pncwizard, don't see the homming configuration
[14:53:24] <JT-Shop> sounds like it is not moving off of the limit switch as part of the homing move
[14:53:31] <Tom_itx> ok probably another 8" overnight...
[14:53:37] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: You've never seen these?
http://mcdn.toolking.com/catalog/product/l/u/luggableloo_341086_341087.jpg
[14:54:48] <JT-Shop> kinda sorta yea
[14:55:20] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: 5Gal bucket with a butt gasket and lid
[14:55:28] <JesusAlos> where is the homming configuration?
[14:59:55] <Tom_itx> it's about as easy to set it all up manually
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[15:10:39] <Jymmm> I hate having to buy a new phone =(
[15:10:57] <JesusAlos> I have a question
[15:11:02] <Jymmm> But it's somewhat cheaper than just buying a replacement battery
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[15:11:27] <JesusAlos> How I can stop spindle when push pause button of axis?
[15:11:38] <JesusAlos> and turn on whe quit pause
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[15:20:06] <JT-Shop> look at the program and spindle pins of halui
[15:20:11] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/halui.1.html
[15:21:59] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Dont you have a Nokia N900?
[15:24:01] <JesusAlos> You say that i need programming this
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[15:34:39] <mrsun_> yeah! my father had silver solder and flux in a box :P so i can try it out atleast! =)
[15:34:45] <mrsun_> old flux but seems to do the job
[15:36:21] <JT-Shop> JesusAlos: yep
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[16:04:38] <pcw_home> JesusAlos: its normal for velocity mode servo drives to creep slowly if they are enabled and their inputs are not driven
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[16:09:07] <pcw_home> As far as the following errors go, this is likely a tuning issue
[16:09:09] <pcw_home> Have you gone through JT-Shops velocity mode tuning tutorial?
[16:09:11] <pcw_home> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tuning/servo.html
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[16:36:31] <JesusAlos> See you
[16:37:16] <JesusAlos> Where i can found the homing configuration?
[16:38:05] <pcw_home> integrators manual
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[16:43:00] <JesusAlos> ok
[16:46:05] <tjb1> pcw_home was your cat awakened last night?
[16:54:04] <JesusAlos> Why my machine go start button down if are any switch travel On?
[16:54:37] <JesusAlos> and can't put start until the switch go off
[16:56:05] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[16:56:48] <pcw_home> No cats
[16:57:09] <Jymmm> pcw_home: wombats?
[16:57:37] <Jymmm> pcw_home: honey badgers?
[16:57:44] <pcw_home> a couple 3 rabbits and a dog that sleeps very soundly
[16:59:19] <Jymmm> oh that's right, you live on a farm
[16:59:57] <pcw_home> well semi-urban farm
[17:00:26] * Loetmichel will play FPS an hour or two, then get the companys QM-handbook and a teay and study a bit... tomorrow is Iso9001 audit... i SHOULD have read the boot alt least once ;-)
[17:00:43] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Yeah =)
[17:01:32] <DJ9DJ> Loetmichel: -y, -y+ie, -t+k, -l ^^
[17:01:48] <pcw_home> JesusAlos: sounds like you need homing/limits configured
[17:01:54] <Loetmichel> DJ9DJ: grammar nazi!
[17:02:00] <DJ9DJ> indeed :D
[17:02:19] <DJ9DJ> and perhaps -y+ie was wrong ;)
[17:02:32] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Do you know of any MILITARY surplus places in NorCal by chance?
[17:03:04] <DJ9DJ> time for dinner
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[17:10:53] <pcw_home> No, all the ones I used to know dried up years ago
[17:12:02] <pcw_home> well you can always bid on govliquidation stuff...
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[17:12:56] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Yeah, there is one in Fremont but it's scary, overpriced, and mostly clothing
[17:13:38] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Nah, I want to walk in and smell that 40+ years of storage smell =)
[17:14:48] <Jymmm> pcw_home: There are a couple in SAC, but one isn't really old surplus stuff.
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[17:20:42] <Loetmichel> hmmm, same problem here. Since my servioce time i am searching for the german navy combat suit. because its like a nechanics clothing but more convenient (blue heavy linnen, with zips instead of buttons and velcro for the leg pockets
[17:21:01] <Loetmichel> and i was in the navy around '90/91 ;-)
[17:22:05] <Jymmm> What came after Vietnam war?
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[17:30:40] <pcw_home> Here's a nice truck for jymmm
[17:30:42] <pcw_home> http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?auctionId=6044267&convertTo=USD
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[17:31:47] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Think it'll pass smog?
[17:33:09] <pcw_home> Ha
[17:33:32] <Jymmm> =)
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[17:33:52] <pcw_home> 2 hours total time we really got our tax money worth on that one...
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[17:34:46] <Jymmm> Yeah, how else do you deliver 10,000 case of boose to the pre-election party?
[17:34:51] <Jymmm> cases
[17:35:17] <Jymmm> to the whitehouse
[17:36:19] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I wonder if ebay took way of surplus stores?
[17:37:18] <pcw_home> Yeah govliquidation did anyway
[17:38:10] <Jymmm> Well, I don't think I need 35,000 canteens
[17:39:03] <pcw_home> Ive bought a few things from govliquidation
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[17:39:53] <Jymmm> such as?
[17:40:31] <pcw_home> some scope plug-ins
[17:40:38] <Jymmm> ah
[17:40:51] <pcw_home> some scopes
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[17:41:55] <pcw_home> for some reason Ive alway been temped to buy one of those turbine APUs though it would probably annoy the neighbors
[17:43:03] <Jymmm> and your wallet fueling it
[17:43:19] <pcw_home> Needs a little work:
[17:43:21] <pcw_home> http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?auctionId=6072303&cm_re=gl-homepage2-carousel-_-item-2
[17:43:26] <Jymmm> "Yeah, I need 35,000 gallons delivered please"
[17:44:38] <pcw_home> this is rather nice:
[17:44:39] <pcw_home> http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?auctionId=6053907&cm_re=gl-homepage1-carousel-_-item-1
[17:45:17] <Jymmm> that plane iis out near Yosemite, I suspect Marine Trianing Camp or Forestry
[17:45:50] <Jymmm> pcw_home: HA! Delivery from Hawaii is gonna be a bitch
[17:46:47] <pcw_home> no free shipping?
[17:47:24] <Jymmm> On any order $100,000 or more, tax excluded =)
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[17:50:45] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I dont need 35 sleeping bags, one good one will do =)
[17:51:37] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Nor do I need 2430 canteens
http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?auctionId=6072434&convertTo=USD
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[17:53:53] <IchGuckLive> hi all B(
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[17:59:04] <Jymmm> pcw_home: This is interesting (Scottsdale AZ)
http://www.unclesamsretailoutlet.com/
[18:01:29] <pcw_home> so govliquidation has a retail outlet
[18:01:54] <pcw_home> buy those cateens and start your own!
[18:01:57] <Jymmm> Seems so.
[18:02:15] <Jymmm> flat rate shiping too
[18:03:15] <IchGuckLive> doesent have every army around the world got ther overload stuff selling
[18:03:30] <Jymmm> pcw_home: But, not much of a deal... USED
http://www.amazon.com/Ontario-SP16-Knife-Sheath-Black/dp/B001CXPKEK and then NEW
http://www.amazon.com/Ontario-SP16-Knife-Sheath-Black/dp/B001CXPKEK
[18:03:46] <Jymmm> USED
http://www.unclesamsretailoutlet.com/Ontario-SP16-SPAX-Survival-Axe-Hatchet-p/1912.htm
[18:06:08] <Jymmm> http://www.unclesamsretailoutlet.com/Tennier-Industries-Modular-Sleep-System-never-iss-p/549.htm
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[18:08:54] <Jymmm> pcw_home: LOL, I guess the gubermint dont use wool blankets anymore or are keeping them all =)
[18:09:44] <IchGuckLive> today there wars a big TV show presenting the new Reprap in Tokyo Gamer show
[18:10:09] <Jymmm> pcw_home: YAY BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?auctionId=6030787&cm_re=gl-hotlots-audiovideophoto-carousel-_-item-3
[18:13:37] <pcw_home> You need that in your backyard
[18:14:28] <pcw_home> Party poopers want it demil-ed
[18:17:04] <Jymmm> silly noobies
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[19:00:25] <IchGuckLive> cold very cold night here in Germany
[19:00:55] <JesusAlos> GN
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[19:20:02] <rizo> hello
[19:22:15] <rizo> i am testing the hal bldc component. I would like to signal the component that the index has bee reached. I tried to connect the signal to bldc.N.index-enable pin as described in man. The problem is that the index.enable pin is defined as I/O and it does not allow some output to be connected to it.
[19:22:46] <rizo> Strange, why would index-enable pine be defined as I/O?
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[19:23:43] <pcw_home> because its both an index enable and a flag that index has been detected
[19:24:38] <pcw_home> (I think it would have been better as 2 unidirectional pins but it is what it is)
[19:25:26] <rizo> so how can i connect the signal from index switch to index-enable pin?
[19:26:11] <rizo> i get an error "signal can not add to I/= pin, it alredy has OUT pin"
[19:26:27] <pcw_home> umm index enable is usually controled by motion. index may come from a switch
[19:26:28] <rizo> i get an error "signal can not add I/0 pin, it alredy has OUT pin"
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[19:27:11] <rizo> but the switch is OUT
[19:27:46] <pcw_home> and index enable normally does not connect to any external signal
[19:27:57] <pcw_home> index does
[19:28:33] <pcw_home> is this for homing?
[19:31:23] <rizo> I have i switch, but i can not connect the switch sigbal to index.-enable pin
[19:31:24] <rizo> how should i signal to bldc that the index was reached?
[19:32:09] <rizo> yes
[19:33:16] <rizo> there is no index pin in bldc component
[19:33:24] <pcw_home> by connecting index enable to the bldc component
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[19:34:30] <pcw_home> index is an input to the encoder component (and index enable is an I/O pin of the encoder component and motion)
[19:35:15] <pcw_home> and a input only on BLDC
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[19:36:30] <rizo> i see, but i am not using the encoder
[19:36:58] <rizo> i have my own .comp that stores the position
[19:38:51] <rizo> can i somehow trick the bldc and connect some signal to end the homing sequence
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[19:48:17] <pcw_home> or dont use index to align the rotor (use Hall or so other scheme)
[19:53:03] <pcw_home> how are you getting feedback? (if its not an encoder but rather something absolute you dont need BLDC homing anyway)
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[19:55:07] <rizo> it is incremental optical encoder. But it is to fast for emc, so i used fpga.
[19:55:46] <rizo> I use epp to transfer data to emc.
[19:56:05] <pcw_home> normally the driver that interfaces with the FPGA supplies the index enable pin to HAL
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[19:57:00] <pcw_home> bbl
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[20:30:00] <rizo> pcw_home, i will try and modify the driver, thank you for the suggestions
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[21:17:08] <linlin> why does #emc come here ?
[21:17:42] <archivist> the project was renamed
[21:18:01] <archivist> some evil corp grr
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[21:33:12] <DaViruz> those EMC^2 guys?
[21:34:21] <Loetmichel> right
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[21:38:08] <DaViruz> they sponsor some formula 1 team, i've always jiggled little when i see the EMC2 logo on a F1 car.
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[22:21:17] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[23:44:26] <r00t4rd3d> https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=chromebook_acer_c710
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