#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-04-18

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[00:00:22] <Valen> air at hydraulic pressures is a pretty decent explosion hazard
[00:00:36] <pfred1> Valen that is what I was thinking
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[00:00:49] <pfred1> grease doesn't boom as much
[00:03:21] <r00t4rd3d> wtf, now google fiber is going to Provo FUCKING Utah!
[00:03:25] <r00t4rd3d> FUCK UTAH!
[00:03:39] <andypugh> I worked with a 27kBar machine for a while. That was a bit special.
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[00:04:21] <pfred1> I can't believe they wired me with fiber
[00:04:59] * pfred1 is living in the woods
[00:05:56] <andypugh> It was designed to stress steel tube specimens past yield in the compressive radial direction, ie, when the pressure was applied between outside and inside the wall thickness would reduce.
[00:06:50] <r00t4rd3d> pfred1, where you live?
[00:07:15] <pfred1> r00t4rd3d in Sussex county Delaware
[00:07:23] <andypugh> This was combined with enormous tension/compression and torsion actuators to enable absolutley any 3D stress field to be applies.
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[00:08:17] <andypugh> (conversion, 400,000 psi)
[00:08:59] <andypugh> The Hydraulic pipes were 25mm OD, 2mm ID.
[00:09:04] <pfred1> that would take your pipes apart
[00:09:54] <andypugh> It was a very special machine.
[00:12:48] <pfred1> here is one of my very special lead screws http://i.imgur.com/Gu75GWh.jpg
[00:13:12] <pfred1> look at those nice bearing brackets i made
[00:13:14] <andypugh> Bif nuts.
[00:13:19] <andypugh> (Big)
[00:13:37] <largecheesepuff> looks pretty awesome
[00:13:46] <pfred1> largecheesepuff thanks :)
[00:15:01] <pfred1> oh and i bit the bullet and bought the aluminum angle i need
[00:15:24] <pfred1> what a ripoff I paid $14.69 for a 3 foot piece of angle
[00:15:28] <skunkworks> pfred1: Cool - you do whatever it takes to get the job done.. http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/zaxis.JPG
[00:15:37] <pfred1> looks like maybe a $5 item to me
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[00:16:16] <pfred1> skunkworks keep your fingers clear of that!
[00:16:38] <skunkworks> a couple pinch points?
[00:16:39] <pfred1> skunkworks you ever see my Z axis?
[00:16:49] <skunkworks> I don't remember
[00:17:17] <pfred1> skunkworks I went real simple http://i.imgur.com/PHZCW.jpg
[00:17:26] <pfred1> turns out it works OK
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[00:18:06] <pfred1> this thing is inside of there pushing the inside tube back and forth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHPKaHLzXes
[00:19:12] <skunkworks> hose clamp and air hose coupling?
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[00:19:22] <pfred1> skunkworks nothing but the best
[00:19:39] <pfred1> I think i used high pressure fuel line
[00:19:50] <andypugh> skunkworks: Compared to the rest of the K&T that Z-drive just looks rubbish.
[00:20:07] <pfred1> you know the reinforced stuff
[00:21:01] <andypugh> You can get 20,000 psi fuel line.
[00:21:17] <andypugh> Bit it isn't cheap.
[00:22:01] <pfred1> one of my fuel injected cars had a 120PSI system and that was pretty high I think
[00:22:17] <skunkworks> pfred1: http://electronicsam.com/video/MVC-413W.MPG
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[00:22:44] <skunkworks> andypugh: :) different macine
[00:22:52] <skunkworks> machine eaven
[00:22:56] <skunkworks> jweeze
[00:23:05] <andypugh> I work with Diesel, 300 bar is normal.
[00:23:27] <pfred1> skunkworks got to love the hose coupling
[00:24:05] <pfred1> I have a Dremel and it has a hose coupling inside of it
[00:24:15] <pfred1> I found that out when it ripped apart
[00:24:34] <pfred1> of course it is a special ribbed Dremel hose coupling
[00:24:50] <pfred1> I hear fish tank hose works to replace it
[00:25:44] <pfred1> for a while i kept on taping it back together with packing tape but I got tored of doing that so I bought some other rotary tools
[00:25:59] <pfred1> tired even
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[00:44:08] <andypugh> I think I need a cordless rotary tool, because the thought of packing the cable back in the box is a serious disincentive to getting it out of the box.
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[00:45:19] <andypugh> OK, so it is only a couple of minutes of annoyance, but it bothers me.
[00:46:11] <PCW> andypugh: I think its a driver bug, we just take the binary number and assume its unsigned for unsigned parameters
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[00:46:46] <andypugh> PCW: I will take a look, but not tonight
[00:47:42] <PCW> Where to check is a bit tricky since scalemax could be negative
[00:48:15] <pfred1> andypugh the cords are a pain to get in the case
[00:48:48] <andypugh> Indeed, reversing the whole thing is a reasonable thing to want to do.
[00:49:12] <PCW> maybe easiest to just bound the scaled FP number to 0 if it was negative (before conversion to integer)
[00:49:28] <Valen> I have wanted to make a rotary tool
[00:49:41] <Valen> some decent lifepo4 cells
[00:49:45] <Valen> brushless inrunner
[00:49:49] <Valen> some actual bearings
[00:49:57] <Valen> billet Al case
[00:50:31] <Valen> governed speed controller
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[00:51:02] <PetefromTn> andypugh: Hey man thanks for the help with the Y axis direction, we seem to have it sorted now. Working great.
[00:51:42] <andypugh> PCW: I was about to suggest the unsigned out to be forced to be unipolar, but actually it is legitimate to define thing otherwise. (for private encoding schemes). This needs thought.
[00:54:27] <pfred1> I have one of these I keep on my bench with a cut off wheel in it I removed that black stuff on the nose too http://www.blackanddecker.com/ProductImages/PC_Graphics/PHOTOS/BDK/FIRESTORM/Tools/LARGE/1/FS18SS_1.jpg
[00:55:16] <pfred1> it was supposed to be a cordless rotozip
[00:56:21] <pfred1> I use it for that quick grind
[00:59:40] <pfred1> I got tired of hauling out this toolbox and firing up my air compressor whenever I needed to do that http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4004/rotarybox.jpg
[01:03:47] <andypugh> pfred1: Yeah, my roto-toool is even more chaotic, as not only do I need to arrange the cable, but also move the three generations of tools and fixtures into places where the lid will shut.
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[01:07:23] <PetefromTn> Good lord is it me or does it seem like EVERY SINGLE TIME I try to login to CNCzone there is some kinda crazy problem with the website. Right now it won't let me login and I keep trying to do it and it keeps bringing me back to the login page. Jeez man you'd think they would get it right someday....VENT!!
[01:09:08] <skunkworks> heh - the guy who runs it seems like an a$$. He always assumes it is your problem - not his.
[01:10:15] <skunkworks> Not to long ago - the email notifications quit. There was a thread on it and he pretty much blew everyone off. Until someone came back and showed that the cnczone IP was on a block list.
[01:12:35] <PetefromTn> Yeah I got that warning too that it was an attack site or something before. With all the ads and junk he scatters all over the page you would think he would have his ducks in a row but so far it is a joke. Worst website I have ever seen....
[01:14:52] <pfred1> PetefromTn I'll save you the trouble of going to CNCzone Mach3 Geckos Mach3 Geckos Mach3 Geckos Mach3 Geckos Mach3 Geckos Mach3 Geckos
[01:17:00] <PetefromTn> pfred1: LOL yeah man that is about it...Gotta admit I was once a Mach3 Geckos kinda guy. Now I am a build a badass VMC with Mesa and LinuxCNC kinda guy and I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER LOL....
[01:17:25] <pfred1> they think inside the box on that site
[01:18:07] <pfred1> there is a point when tried and true turns into old and boring and CNCzone is way past that point
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[01:19:44] <PetefromTn> Well I just wish the siteowner would get it sorted. I mean I REALIZE he just switched it over to a new format but can't you troubleshoot it offline until you go prime time with it? Surely you can. And there are a TON of websites running that same format without half the problems they seem to be having.
[01:20:34] <pfred1> maybe he'll dissappear like the lead developer of Mach3 did?
[01:22:02] <PetefromTn> LOL...
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[01:23:48] <PetefromTn> Just had to download a spybot program called Malwarebytes to find a possible virus. Actually downloaded two different ones. Well the Malwarebytes one kept prompting me to buy it so I deleted it and for some reason it did not go away completely and keeps giving me some kinda popup tab off my start menu and I cannot seem to get rid of it. It is REALLY ANNOYING!!
[01:28:10] * pfred1 doesn't do Windows
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[01:33:24] <PetefromTn> Well guys I pulled a bonehead tonight LOL. Connor has been kindly helping me with the retrofit and we had gotten the Spindle control and reversing (open loop) working the other day. Well today I was futzing around with the machine once I got the chip guards back on there and decided to play some more with the spindle setup. I enabled the system and hit spinde fwd in the manual control tab. Then I hit the little plus sign to
[01:33:24] <PetefromTn> ramp up the speed to say around 300 RPM. Then I hit the spindle reverse button expecting to see the spindle do a nice little about face and go 300 RPM in the other direction. When it just came to a stop I assumed something had gone wrong and gave poor Connor a workout trying to figure out why it did not work correctly. Apparently the quick reversing is ONLY available in an MDI command setup or a programmed move LOL... I was
[01:33:24] <PetefromTn> all worried we were having some problems....
[01:40:21] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On6e89xgLxU Holy Cantilevers Batman!
[01:40:23] <Tecan> (On6e89xgLxU) "Integrity Integration single-pass ink jet.3GP" by "Rich Baker" is "Tech" - Length: 0:00:44
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[01:51:22] <skunkworks> malwarebytes is a good program...
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[01:54:44] <PetefromTn> Then why can't I get it off my laptop or at least down load a new version that works...
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[01:56:40] <PCW> because the difference between virus's and antivirus software is sometimes open to question
[01:57:01] <Tom_itx> i use that and spybot
[01:57:10] <Tom_itx> between the two they seem to get most things
[01:58:30] <Tom_itx> for the few times you need to stop a process to get control i use rkill.com
[01:58:52] <gammax> Ughhhh today was bad... trying to install a new parralell port...
[01:58:53] <Tom_itx> not an interweb address...
[01:59:06] <Tom_itx> an actual old time .com program :D
[02:01:09] <Tom_itx> i found if you create a 2nd user as admin and don't use it, it will help you reocver from some really bad problems
[02:01:21] <Tom_itx> letting you log in to the spare user to fix the corrupted one
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[02:04:07] <Tom_itx> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/308364/rkill-what-it-does-and-what-it-doesnt-a-brief-introduction-to-the-program/
[02:04:40] <Tom_itx> some processes won't let you remove them if they are active
[02:07:53] <r00t4rd3d> is an old air compressor with no pressure switch dangerous ?
[02:08:19] <r00t4rd3d> a rubber hose goes from the compressor to the tank
[02:08:40] <r00t4rd3d> so I think it would blow off if the tank was over pressurized
[02:08:51] <toastydeath> uh, yes that's dangerous as fuck
[02:09:15] <toastydeath> the compressor should have a pressure switch and the tank should have a blowoff regulator
[02:09:39] <r00t4rd3d> but it never did and its 50 years old
[02:09:55] <pfred1> my compressor is from 1944
[02:10:41] <PCW> Air tank also?
[02:10:41] <toastydeath> "This bomb never went off"
[02:10:44] <toastydeath> "Therefore it is safe"
[02:10:56] <jdh> my compressor has shutoff switch at 4100psi, OPV is around 4200psi
[02:11:02] <pfred1> potential is meaningless
[02:11:29] <toastydeath> it's still not safe, but you can use it just like you can choose to use any dangerous piece of equipment
[02:22:41] <skunkworks> combofix -> tdskiller -> malware bytes.. and sometimes some random utilities..
[02:24:37] * skunkworks fixes a lot of infected computers.
[02:25:12] <Valen> if a computer is infected I just format and re-install
[02:27:57] <jdh> I just say "I'm sorry, I don't really know anything about windows"
[02:28:24] <Valen> heh
[02:32:23] <PetefromTn> skunkworks: whaadya mean combofix-tsdkiller---
[02:33:09] <r00t4rd3d> Valen, newb.
[02:34:05] <Valen> actually given the amount of time it takes to really clean a computer vs how long it takes to format, rejoin to domain and let everything install, its much quicker and safer to just blow it away
[02:34:30] <ProxDem> pxe netboot the install image =)
[02:35:12] <r00t4rd3d> i guess it matters the enviroment it is in
[02:36:00] <r00t4rd3d> and who is fixing it
[02:36:03] <Valen> ProxDem: I looked at it, but its too easy to accidentally re-install the wrong thing if you have it sitting on the general lan and too much hassle to set windows up to do that lol
[02:36:05] <pfred1> Valen formatting is the best method
[02:36:35] <Valen> if its not something totally trivial, IE it is an actual virus then even outside the domain its still less time and a safer result to format
[02:36:55] <Valen> oh mywebsearch, often format/re-install is best ;->
[02:36:56] * r00t4rd3d applies rubber boots
[02:37:01] <pfred1> unless you wrote the virus how do you know all it has done?
[02:37:23] <ProxDem> a clear erase
[02:37:33] <Valen> besides the first thing all viruses do these days is download a bunch of other crap
[02:37:37] <ProxDem> secureerase via hdparm is nice for mbr/pbr hidden viruses
[02:37:46] <ProxDem> unless you flush mbr and pbr via dd
[02:37:51] <Valen> dd
[02:37:54] <Valen> all the way ;->
[02:38:03] <ProxDem> the fun part about secureerase vs dd
[02:38:13] <ProxDem> is secureerase will get the parts of the drive DD cannot get
[02:38:26] <Valen> if you delete the partition table and re-install i believe even windows will redo the mbr
[02:38:32] <Valen> what can dd not get to?
[02:38:35] <ProxDem> as you are telling the firmware of the drive to erase everything
[02:38:38] <ProxDem> Valen: tons of things
[02:38:45] <Valen> such as?
[02:38:49] <ProxDem> dd gives intrusctions to the drive...and the drive Interprets how to handle it
[02:39:05] <Valen> thats kinda the point of how you interact with a hdd
[02:39:05] <ProxDem> it's all left up to the firmware of the drive todo the interpretation
[02:39:21] <ProxDem> well no
[02:39:27] <ProxDem> you can have hidden partitions dd cannot access
[02:39:42] <ProxDem> thus why secure erase and secure erase enhanced are best suited for actual cleanups
[02:40:04] <Valen> assuming the drive vendor has actually implemented those
[02:40:09] <ProxDem> yup
[02:40:11] <ProxDem> since ata6
[02:40:25] <ProxDem> https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase
[02:40:28] <jdh> can't you dd of=hda and ignore the partition table?
[02:40:51] <Valen> however unless you have done something special with the drive, they are a block device, you read and write blocks, unless you are making bombs who cares
[02:40:52] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, what does combofix do?
[02:41:12] <Valen> I've seen plenty of recent SDD's without either
[02:41:18] <Valen> secure erase etc
[02:41:37] <ProxDem> ermm
[02:41:42] <ProxDem> all sdds have secure erase
[02:41:52] <Valen> I'll post you one without it if you don't believe me
[02:42:12] <ProxDem> what brand?
[02:42:17] <Valen> adata as i recall
[02:42:30] <Valen> 32gb
[02:42:58] <ProxDem> wow they went backwards on standard compliance
[02:43:34] <ProxDem> does it support revealing TCO and HDA?
[02:43:41] <Valen> put it this way, if I felt i needed to security erase something, I'd rather just burn the thing in a fire
[02:43:46] <Valen> no idea
[02:44:00] <Valen> its on a shelf somewhere
[02:45:17] <Tom_itx> or bore a hole thru the platters
[02:45:30] <Tom_itx> since we're all about machine tools here
[02:45:36] <r00t4rd3d> http://youtu.be/5CkhEEvsEEA
[02:45:38] <Tecan> (5CkhEEvsEEA) "Boston Strong Viva La Stool" by "elprezforelmayor elprezformayor" is "People" - Length: 0:02:31
[02:45:39] <Valen> SSD, has no platters
[02:45:48] <Tom_itx> it has chips
[02:45:57] <Valen> lots of drilling
[02:45:58] <Valen> burn it
[02:46:00] <Valen> with fire!
[02:46:07] <jdh> DIY thermite
[02:46:24] <Valen> actually I think i should hire myself out to governments
[02:46:38] <Valen> I have the ability to loose anything handed to me within a minute and a half
[02:46:46] <Valen> all i need is the smallest of distractions
[02:47:23] <Valen> those "reports" you want lost give them to me
[02:47:32] <Valen> now about the payment for loosing these reports
[02:47:44] <Valen> there we go, CRAP where did the damn reports go
[02:48:27] <Valen> this applies particularly to anything that looks like a tool, especially if its the one i was using 30 seconds ago and i now need again
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[02:56:03] <ProxDem> lol Valen
[02:56:36] * Tom_itx detects ole fart syndrome
[02:56:47] <ProxDem> for me secure erase enhanced is enough for things that weren't important enough to be encrypted...but I do totaly understand the Destruction method if done right is more safe =)
[02:57:04] <ProxDem> I kinda like the hdd/sdd grinders out there
[02:58:01] <ProxDem> or the degaussers for hdds those are pretty nifty 2
[02:58:09] <Valen> I have a very bipolar security system
[02:58:15] <Valen> its all or nothing
[02:58:27] <ProxDem> lol that's understandable =)
[02:58:42] <Valen> so the people at the hdd warranty place see my porn meh
[02:58:55] <Valen> your not going to get my important stuff
[03:00:16] <ProxDem> ahh data recovery places are the best
[03:00:35] <ProxDem> that'll be 800$...ok then I'm not interested (then they try to negotiate with you...as they have already done the work lol)
[03:01:00] <ProxDem> as it's the only way to ensure that you can recover data is to actually do it...lol
[03:02:47] <ProxDem> mind you I wonder on ssd's with all the randomizing that's going on how one puts back all the data together for things that aren't in large chunks
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[03:06:18] <ProxDem> Tom_itx: I commend you for your machining ethics!
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[03:12:22] <ProxDem> jdh: yes dd would erase all partitions that the drives make visible =) (to answer your previous question)
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[03:18:30] <ProxDem> also pbr and mbr forgot to mention that if the correct dd command is used =)
[03:19:44] <ProxDem> and gpt
[03:20:10] <Valen> dd can erase every block you can get to outside of doing magic firmware specific voodoo
[03:20:40] <ProxDem> not 100% true
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[03:20:51] <ProxDem> some bios lock drives so you cannot erase gpt/mbr/pbr
[03:20:57] <ProxDem> some uefi/efi also do that
[03:21:04] <ProxDem> supermicro does that in alot of it's motherboards
[03:21:25] <Valen> it must be made writable so you can install said mbr etc
[03:21:31] <ProxDem> stuck power cycling the drive while the machine is on todo certain things if the BIOS/uEFI won't let your change it
[03:21:57] <Valen> bios must let you do it, otherwise how will you install an OS onto a blank drive
[03:22:03] <ProxDem> Valen: correct but once security bits have been set
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[03:22:16] <ProxDem> it does not let you do so after
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[03:22:32] <Tom_itx> keep an old pc around for such things
[03:22:39] <Tom_itx> pop the drive in and away you go
[03:22:54] <Valen> so if your hdd dies you must replace the motherboard as well?
[03:23:14] <ProxDem> Valen: no not at all
[03:23:26] <Valen> then how do you write to the mbr again?
[03:23:45] <ProxDem> by either going in the BIOS/uEFI/EFI and disabling the security
[03:23:51] <Tom_itx> fdisk -mbr works doesn't it?
[03:24:03] <ProxDem> or if you don't have the password by power cycling the drive while it's already on
[03:24:03] <Valen> right so if you can disable it then its not a problem
[03:24:19] <ProxDem> it is when you don't have physical access to the machine
[03:24:33] <ProxDem> and it's good to prevent viruses and other nastyness
[03:24:42] <ProxDem> from accessing certain portions of your drives
[03:25:10] <ProxDem> some companies actually use that and put a password on the drives and create DCO/HPA to hide information
[03:26:04] <ProxDem> which by the way craps out entire RAID arrays because of the High TLER if password isn't input when the write tries to occur
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[03:28:42] <ProxDem> Valen: most vendors have an off switch which they kindly label as master boot record security
[03:29:25] <ProxDem> but just like how you mentioned you ran into an ssd with no secure erase or secure erase enhanced...I've run into motherboards that set it after they detect they aren't empty and you cannot turn it off without a special software you run from a bootdisk
[03:29:57] <Valen> I'd never buy anything from that vendor lol
[03:30:08] <Valen> I detest anything that needs magic software to work
[03:30:18] <Valen> I only use software raid for that reason
[03:30:26] <Valen> (amongst others)
[03:31:22] <ProxDem> agreed but sometimes you're stuck working with others stuff and it's a pain to figure it out the hard way lol
[03:31:42] <ProxDem> well I for one prefer real hardware raid for big arrays
[03:32:00] <Valen> for a suitably large array I can see upsides to it
[03:32:12] <Valen> but it'd want to be really big and really fancy
[03:32:29] <ProxDem> but for small arrays md is the software raid i'd go for
[03:32:38] <Valen> yup
[03:32:41] <ProxDem> but for small arrays all those fake hardware cards that are software
[03:32:45] <ProxDem> I hate them with a passion
[03:32:48] <Valen> _1
[03:32:50] <Valen> +1
[03:33:03] <ProxDem> even ran into a promise one with RAM on it
[03:33:06] <ProxDem> that was actually software raid
[03:33:10] <Valen> wth
[03:33:20] <ProxDem> yup I scratched my head on that one 2
[03:33:42] <Valen> anyway must be off
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[05:21:50] <Connor> skunkworks: It was ME who told him his freaking IP was blocked. :)
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[05:36:13] <WalterN> L84Supper: poke
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[07:02:08] <gammax> there a root password for linuxcnc?
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[07:09:39] <archivist> the password you gave when you installed, but no need normally
[07:10:01] <archivist> sudo su root
[07:10:44] <archivist> whatever you normally need to do can be done via sudo
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[10:06:39] <UncleG> cradek my issue was solved with a simple WRAPPED_ROTARY = 1 inserted. Thank you.
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[11:23:04] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/feds_have_men_in_sights_j43UJwXZncr0wmysU42scJ
[11:26:28] <r00t4rd3d> looks like it was the muslims again
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[11:44:48] <ReadError> r00t4rd3d
[11:44:52] <ReadError> you know 4chan found those guys
[11:44:54] <ReadError> lol
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[11:45:18] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/aCjGrD0h.jpg
[11:45:31] <ReadError> http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1366206894468.jpg
[11:46:12] <R2E4> IS the end of line character the same for all gcode?
[11:48:18] <R2E4> for all post's?
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[11:55:52] <MattyMatt> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3gl33vk0nzfwnrb/2013-04-18%2013.48.03.jpg best idea ever?
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[12:17:21] <Loetmichel> moin
[12:17:26] <Loetmichel> ahem mornin'
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[13:28:28] <Loetmichel> ouch, THAT mill bit is done for... happens when the 4,0mm aluminium sheet detaches from the sacrificial plate at last cut... :-( bad: that was the last one :-( -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14190
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[15:12:09] <cheesepuff> oh why you down support forums...
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[15:41:46] <PetefromTn> ...
[15:42:02] <PetefromTn> Hello all...
[15:42:06] <Connor> PetefromTn: You get the flood cleaned up ?
[15:42:10] <carper64_lb> hi pete
[15:42:20] <PetefromTn> LOL yeah man what a beotch!!
[15:42:57] <PetefromTn> amazing how wide a spill ten gallons of coolant can make....
[15:43:10] <PetefromTn> carper64_lb: hi!
[15:44:39] <carper64_lb> was that raw coolant or mixed
[15:45:13] <PetefromTn> mixed in the trough, I was filling it for the first time and APPARENTLY it does have a small leak LOL
[15:45:27] <carper64_lb> hehehe
[15:46:08] <Connor> PetefromTn: You cable to save any of it ?
[15:46:10] <carper64_lb> gonna say if it was raw id be down on my knees suckng it up with a drinking straw at the price they charge for it lol
[15:46:30] <PetefromTn> carper64_lb: ROFL I hear ya man....!!
[15:47:35] <PetefromTn> Connor: Yup managed to get MOST of it out of the sump before it leaked out all onto the floor. Must be a very small leak because it took awhile for it to start showing then it started to flow pretty good. Right now I have a blue water bathtub ....
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[16:07:29] <carper64_lb> well its one of the days
[16:10:33] <carper64_lb> been putting off finishing the lathe for a while cos i hate the software side of the build decided to do some today and linuxcnc is broken just sent chris the errors and screenshots iam gettng
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[16:12:37] <carper64_lb> been a big build heres some pic looks nothinglike an orac now https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6mcv3ywgf1cefrh/fnSNBgcdQH
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[16:16:01] <carper64_lb> next project is an denford easimill with 4th and 5th axis
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[16:20:19] <PetefromTn> Well felllas I gotta head to the store and buy some kidna hand pump or something to drain my bathtub of the coolant after I tig weld up the leaks in the tanks....Oh well I guess it could be worse right. LOL
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[16:43:15] <generic_nick> hi
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[16:43:51] <generic_nick> having some machine issues, wondering if i could run some things by you guys.
[16:44:03] <jdh> are they generic issues?
[16:44:10] <generic_nick> i wish
[16:44:47] <generic_nick> i have a 3 axis mill, emc2, all mesa hardware, servo driven
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[16:46:12] <generic_nick> 5i20, 7i33 servo card
[16:46:52] <skunkworks> cool
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[16:46:58] <generic_nick> i have 3 pacific scientific digital servo drives, and 3 pacific scientific brushless servos with resolvers on them that feed back to the drives
[16:47:22] <generic_nick> worked fine for years.... now im having issues with all 3 drives
[16:48:44] <archivist> electrical noise, check grounding
[16:48:53] <generic_nick> first the x axis had to be slowed down from 300ipm rapids to about 200ipm, or it ferrored. then the z axis stopped working. i got the z axis working again by swapping in a spare drive, now the y axis died
[16:50:01] <generic_nick> it seems that i have 2 dead drives and the y axis motor is done
[16:50:44] <generic_nick> archivist: thanks, ill check that.
[16:51:24] <skunkworks> struck by lightening?
[16:51:28] <generic_nick> i swapped the y axis motor to the z axis drive that is known to work now and the motor is done
[16:51:39] <generic_nick> skunkworks: not where i live lol
[16:51:44] <skunkworks> heh
[16:51:44] <archivist> after a long time to me means cable and other connection failures
[16:52:15] <generic_nick> archivist: i have recently upped the max velocity
[16:52:28] <generic_nick> wondering if that cooked some stuff
[16:52:32] <cradek> sometimes by swapping parts around you can destroy all of them
[16:52:44] <generic_nick> cradek: thats what im afraid of
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[16:53:46] <largecheesepuff> really wish I could figure this out..
[16:53:52] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:53:53] <archivist> shorted turns on a motor killing a drive, then you move another drive to that motor.....
[16:57:00] <generic_nick> guess i could check impedence on the motor, huh?
[16:57:09] <generic_nick> see if it differs from the others?
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[16:58:31] <andypugh> Sounds like a good plan. Does it make any torque at all?
[16:58:50] <andypugh> Check the resolver too.
[16:58:54] <generic_nick> no
[16:59:00] <generic_nick> i did, feedback is fine
[16:59:20] <andypugh> Ah, no torque at all probably means a broken winding, or cable.
[16:59:48] <generic_nick> when i swapped drives this morning, it had a tiny bit of holding torque
[16:59:58] <generic_nick> now nothing
[16:59:59] <andypugh> Locking solid and not rotating could be a broken (or just loose on the shaft) resolver.
[17:00:38] <generic_nick> i can rotate the ballscrew and the counts seem fine
[17:01:13] <andypugh> Checking the windings (and the cable) seems like the next step.
[17:01:38] <generic_nick> yea im going to go check that out. some coolant has been known to leak on that motor
[17:02:09] <generic_nick> ill see if i can pop the end off to check out the wiring on the motor
[17:02:18] <andypugh> Brushless motors + resolvers should work underwater though.
[17:04:20] <generic_nick> one would think
[17:05:14] <generic_nick> my buddy has a brick of glentec drives i may swap in with some old glentec servos i have kicking around
[17:05:34] <generic_nick> id just rather not do more work than i have to
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[17:15:45] <generic_nick> no resistance at the motor
[17:15:56] <generic_nick> at at least from the harness
[17:16:11] <generic_nick> gunna pull the end off the motor and check it there
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[17:19:25] <archivist> no resistance, meaning dead short or open or what
[17:19:56] <archivist> what does a good one measure
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[17:20:48] <Loetmichel> archivist: dead short cant be, the usual motor wires have still a little resistance ;-)
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[17:22:24] <archivist> define little
[17:22:57] <Loetmichel> in the 0.2-0.5 ohms range ;-)
[17:22:59] <archivist> some people do not have suitable meters for low resistance measurement
[17:23:06] <Loetmichel> ... definetly not short ;-)
[17:23:24] <archivist> Loetmichel, why are you trying to teach me :)
[17:23:53] <Loetmichel> not teaching, just wanted to make a joke. gone wrong i assume? ;)
[17:28:24] * Tecan stop drop and rofl
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[17:32:28] <generic_nick> it was open
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[17:33:09] <generic_nick> but i checked it at the motor and it is 0 ohms to all 3 wires. seems like the connector might be bad
[17:33:22] <generic_nick> weird
[17:35:06] <cpresser> 0 Ohms is not open. Unlimited Ohms is open
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[17:35:22] <generic_nick> i am aware of that. it was open.
[17:35:27] <cpresser> ah stop, i didnt read correctly
[17:35:34] <cpresser> it was open at the connector
[17:35:38] <generic_nick> yes
[17:35:46] <cpresser> sorry. my bad
[17:35:52] <generic_nick> no worries.
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[17:36:17] <generic_nick> my meter is a cheapo, so im sure it isnt exactly 0 ohns at the motor
[17:36:29] <generic_nick> but there is continuity.
[17:37:26] <Loetmichel> could also be broken wires when the cabling is a bit old and the maschine is used much
[17:39:33] <generic_nick> i believe it is an issue caused by coolant leaking down the cable into the connector in the middle of the cable
[17:40:02] <generic_nick> it's a water tight AMP connector, but coolant eats at the rubber
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[17:45:05] <generic_nick> found a broken wire in the connector
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[17:45:28] <generic_nick> still not sure if the drive is good though
[17:46:00] <generic_nick> bbiab, gunna repair the connector
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[18:47:50] <andypugh> The suspense!
[18:51:54] <skunkworks> andypugh, in a better mood?
[18:53:03] <andypugh> Yeah, I spent a lot of money and parts are on the way.
[18:53:23] <skunkworks> that works
[18:53:26] <archivist> a new exhaust?
[18:53:56] <andypugh> No, but I think I can drop it far enough out of the way
[18:54:13] <andypugh> A second hand alternator (£300)
[18:54:52] <archivist> a bit pricey
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[19:00:21] <andypugh> Yes, but cheaper than new, for that price I get add up to £992 new-price.
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[19:01:40] <andypugh> I wonder what it would cost to assemble a complete bike from spares?
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[19:03:08] <archivist> about 3 times the new price probably
[19:05:14] <andypugh> Far worse than that, I think.
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[19:34:29] <generic_nick> so the drives are shot.
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[19:35:05] <generic_nick> im putting on my dc brushed glentek servos
[19:35:15] <generic_nick> sucks....
[19:36:22] <generic_nick> anyone in here use copley servo drives? i'm about to install some
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[19:44:19] <DJ9DJ> namd
[19:50:29] <andypugh> Ah, he went. I was going to suggest that he could use the Mesa stuff to drive his resolver servos.
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[19:57:12] <L84Supper> anyone know of an editor to make small changes to Parasolid files? besides importing to NX, Solidworks or Catia...
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[20:23:53] <Tom_itx> not familiar with parasolid
[20:27:22] <Tom_itx> what is Navisworks?
[20:27:33] <Tom_itx> http://docs.autodesk.com/NAVMAN/10.0/ENU/Autodesk%20Navisworks%20Manage%202013%20Online%20Help/index.html?url=files/GUID-05D79766-4E60-4381-BBA3-1658EEAF36B1.htm,topicNumber=d30e85927
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[20:32:17] <L84Supper> never even heard of that^^
[20:32:31] <Tom_itx> seems it may be encrypted
[20:32:41] <Tom_itx> http://www.emastercam.com/board/index.php?showtopic=66831
[20:32:53] <L84Supper> i was just wondering if there was something similar to a Gerber editor for parasolid
[20:33:15] <Tom_itx> http://www.cadlook.com/
[20:33:17] <Tom_itx> ?
[20:33:20] <Tom_itx> no idea
[20:35:00] <L84Supper> it's only sheet metal, I have spent more time looking into howto's for editing than it would have taken to just redraw them :)
[20:35:09] <Tom_itx> haha
[20:35:16] <Tom_itx> been there.
[20:35:26] <Tom_itx> just irks me sometimes
[20:35:49] <Tom_itx> gotta run..
[20:36:31] <Loetmichel> L84Supper: been there, too
[20:37:30] <MattyMatt> sod's law says you'll remember what you learned until the week before you need it again
[20:37:32] <Loetmichel> just finished some sheet metal work... and it fits in just 2 trys... it seems i get better and better in designing seet metal constructions ... with coreldraw8 ;-)
[20:37:45] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14184
[20:37:54] <MattyMatt> I still do everything in blender. it's sick I know
[20:43:46] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[20:56:41] <generic_nick> andypugh: were you talking about me?
[20:57:03] <generic_nick> didnt know mesa made servo amps
[21:02:41] <generic_nick> PCW: can i pick your brain for a bit on the mesa servo drives?
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[21:15:19] <andypugh> generic_nick: Aye, I was.
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[21:16:20] <andypugh> I am using the Mesa 8i20 and 7i49 combination. However a full conversion is likely to cost more than replacing just your failed amp.
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[21:28:10] <PCW> andypugh freeby.mesanet.com/sserial.zip
[21:28:41] <PCW> new firmware for 7i73 etc
[21:28:53] <andypugh> OK, what does it add?
[21:29:08] <PCW> it subtracts bugs
[21:30:12] <PCW> (and 7I73 modes database is re-organized to make more sense in dmesg list)
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[21:30:47] <andypugh> Jolly good.
[21:33:02] <PCW> 7I73 2 key rollover bug fix as well
[21:33:22] <PCW> Would like a stern warning to upgrade sserial remote firmware if swrevision is <14 added to master
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[21:35:13] <PCW> (applies only to generic, not 8I20 or 7I64)
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[21:40:46] <PetefromTn> Hey guys, I dunno if you have read of my coolant adventure today. Lots of fun. Well I managed to drain the tank out and have removed them, they are sitting in the driveway now. I found quite a bunch of little rust pin holes in the bottom of the tanks and one or two that were most likely the cause of the leak. Looking for suggestions about how to repair this so it never leaks again. I am gonna tig weld up the larger holes
[21:40:46] <PetefromTn> but there are so many tiny pits that is impossible to weld on them all...
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[21:46:13] <L84Supper> PetefromTn: is the bottom flat or?
[21:46:47] <PetefromTn> Yeah the bottom is flat but it has partitions in it where the pump is isolated behind a chip screen on the left side one.
[21:47:34] <L84Supper> cut out the cancer and weld new metal or try to seal it up in epoxy
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[21:49:11] <MattyMatt> plumber's solder?
[21:49:11] <andypugh> Line it with epoxy and glass fibre?
[21:49:17] <PetefromTn> Yeah I am gonna try to weld it up but again there are tiny pin holes everywhere on the bottom. I dunno if I can get them all....
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[21:50:00] <MattyMatt> solder will fill small holes, and preserve the thin metal awhile
[21:50:04] <andypugh> http://www.mandp.co.uk/productinfo/501102/Workshop/Workshop-others/Petseal/Ultra-Tank-Sealant
[21:50:19] <PetefromTn> I am considering taking it down and having them sandblasted on the bottoms and then weld up the problem areas and line it with some kinda sealant..
[21:50:33] <L84Supper> $35/gal polyester resin at home depot, mix and brush on
[21:51:20] <PetefromTn> Will the resin stick okay to the tanks insides? Will it make it rust more from condensation?
[21:51:20] <L84Supper> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Home-Solutions-1-Gallon-All-Purpose-Fiberglass-Resin-20124/202077791
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[21:51:34] * JT-Shop thinks of the screen door in the boat ad
[21:52:12] <L84Supper> a gallon is enough to coat your tank a few times over
[21:52:17] <MattyMatt> full fibreglass lining will mean it doesn't matter if it rusts more
[21:52:35] <PetefromTn> This E206 trim sol coolant is known to be tough on certain sealants and chemicals...
[21:53:12] <L84Supper> the polyester resin polymerizes, not much breaks it down
[21:53:14] <PetefromTn> Well fiberglass lining is not gonna happen LOL... epoxy lining maye
[21:53:35] <MattyMatt> hot dip zinc is how I'd do it, if I had a giant vat of molten zinc handy
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[21:54:30] <PetefromTn> I could maybe cut off the bottom plate and get some sheetmetal and tig weld a new one on but that would take awhile and I would STILL have to seal it from rusting somehow..
[21:54:34] <L84Supper> use the current tub as a mold, recast it in aluminum
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[21:55:06] <PetefromTn> Seriously guys I need some tried and true options here...
[21:55:36] <L84Supper> once the iron rusts you have to cut it out
[21:55:59] <MattyMatt> hemp & tar
[21:56:14] <L84Supper> the rust coatings might seal it but any moisture will just get it rusting more
[21:56:29] <andypugh> If it was my tank then fibreglass would be the way I did it.
[21:56:35] <L84Supper> it's the same for auto bodies and gas tanks
[21:56:54] <L84Supper> what works for automotive?
[21:56:57] <MattyMatt> would coolant dissolve bitumen?
[21:57:16] <andypugh> MattyMatt: I think so.
[21:57:28] <andypugh> Gutta-Percah might work :-)
[21:57:59] <L84Supper> change over to water free coolant
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[21:58:47] <L84Supper> PetefromTn: have a pic of the tub?
[21:59:00] <MattyMatt> is tig welding thin sheet easier than brazing?
[21:59:14] <JT-Shop> get new tanks fabricated from stainless steel
[21:59:35] <PetefromTn> Do you guys think that welding the holes up good after a sand blasting and then powder coating would keep it from leaking again.
[21:59:48] <PetefromTn> I tig weld thin sheet all the time..
[21:59:59] <L84Supper> if you get all and I mean all the rust off
[22:00:02] <PetefromTn> Stainless tanks would be sweet but probably cost a small fortune...
[22:00:03] <JT-Shop> sounds like more work that replacing the tank
[22:00:13] <JT-Shop> than
[22:00:16] <L84Supper> the powdercoat will be just like the polyester resin
[22:00:20] <JT-Shop> how big is the tank?
[22:01:10] <PetefromTn> Dunno, it is about eight or nine feet long, about a foot and a half wide, and about a foot deep maybe fifteen inches. The other side one is only about six feet long but the same width and height.
[22:01:13] * JT-Shop assumes that if it rusted enough to have pin holes all over then there ain't much left of the base metal... but I can't see from here
[22:01:34] <PetefromTn> I can take a picture but not sure how to let you all see it...
[22:01:35] <L84Supper> all powder coating is are polymers ground to few micron size particles that you melt into a smooth-ish surface
[22:01:42] <JT-Shop> get a sheetmetal shop to break the U and weld on the ends
[22:01:49] <cradek> weld an entire new bottom over the old one?
[22:02:04] <cradek> there's no use trying to fix something that's rusted away
[22:02:17] <JT-Shop> exactly
[22:02:28] <PetefromTn> cradek: I have considered that actually. The only concern is that it is not just a flat bottom bucket kinda thing there is a partition in there too...
[22:02:32] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn: imagebin.org
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[22:02:52] <generic_nick> andypugh: i cant get my drives anymore. and i need it running asap.
[22:03:29] <generic_nick> PCW: do you have anything to run an 11 amp dc brushed motor?
[22:04:54] <andypugh> 7i29 might work, 22.5A 165V, $300 (drives 2 motors)
[22:04:56] <micges> generic_nick: see mesa 7I29
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[22:06:22] <andypugh> generic_nick: Or http://pico-systems.com/osc2.5/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=26
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[22:06:50] <andypugh> What other hardware do you have? How are you controlling the existing amps?
[22:06:54] <generic_nick> thanks guys
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[22:07:23] <PetefromTn> Okay I'll snap some pictures of them and the damage....
[22:07:34] <generic_nick> 5i20 and 7i33
[22:08:13] <generic_nick> ouch, 600 for 2.
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[22:08:40] <GammaX> aftgernoon all
[22:09:06] <generic_nick> andypugh: the pico one might be a better option since i only need 1 or 2 right now
[22:09:14] <generic_nick> and money is tight
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[22:09:25] <GammaX> Im having some issues installing pci-e parrallel port into my system.... Cant get drives to install...
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[22:10:31] <andypugh> generic_nick: The 7i29 will plug directly into the 5i20. You can have 4 motors per 5i20 header (2 7i29s)
[22:10:50] <andypugh> GammaX: You shouldn't need any drivers.
[22:10:53] <generic_nick> yea, i just cant swing $600 right now
[22:11:12] <andypugh> generic_nick: If you need two motors, that's 1 7i29.
[22:11:14] <GammaX> andypugh, how can I determine if it is recognized...
[22:11:18] <generic_nick> do you have them in stock?
[22:11:32] <generic_nick> PCW: right, but i still need the 7i33
[22:11:43] <generic_nick> and im out of headers on the 5i20
[22:11:48] <andypugh> Ah.
[22:12:05] <micges> see 5i22
[22:12:11] <micges> 4 headers
[22:12:20] <andypugh> And rather spendy..
[22:12:22] <generic_nick> yea but again, too much money
[22:12:40] <generic_nick> id be better off with just getting 2 7i29's
[22:13:59] <GammaX> andypugh, any thoughts?
[22:14:43] <andypugh> GammaX: Plug it in, then try lspci
[22:15:18] <andypugh> generic_nick: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=AMC+servo&_osacat=0&_from=R40&LH_PrefLoc=1&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0&_nkw=AMC+servo+-brushless&_sacat=0
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[22:22:31] <JT-Shop> I think I had a better connection with a 1200 baud modem than satillite in the rain
[22:27:10] <generic_nick> thanks andypugh. i did look on ebay
[22:27:41] <L84Supper> satellite TV has been up, we were having problems with WiMAX earlier
[22:28:03] <andypugh> generic_nick: Ah, OK, nothing suitable?
[22:28:20] <andypugh> Anyway, I need to log off now.
[22:28:23] <L84Supper> JT-Shop: what kind of upload speed do you see with your service?
[22:28:33] <JT-Shop> been raining all day here with some tornados (small ones) this afternoon
[22:28:44] <JT-Shop> I've not checked
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[22:29:36] <JT-Shop> speedtest might not even load lets see
[22:31:43] <JT-Shop> pin 845ms
[22:31:43] <JT-Shop> ping
[22:31:44] <JT-Shop> download 3.77Mbps
[22:31:49] <JT-Shop> upload failed
[22:33:28] <JT-Shop> someone is running fiber up the road at the highway, I hope it has internet
[22:33:28] <JT-Shop> actually many roads around here are getting new fiber installed
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[22:37:22] <L84Supper> we just got cable here, AT&T had fiber here, but didn't want to offer anything less than 10/10mb for $1200/mo.
[22:39:23] <PetefromTn> pics of rust and stuff...http://s150.photobucket.com/user/matospeter/library/cnc%20stuff?sort=3&page=1
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[22:40:20] <JT-Shop> hmm the link doesn't work
[22:41:27] <GammaX-2> well the card is now installed according to ubuntu
[22:41:36] <GammaX-2> just need to be able to find its address...
[22:41:48] <JT-Shop> which card?
[22:41:56] <PetefromTn> http://s150.photobucket.com/user/matospeter/library/Cincinatti%20Arrow%20500%20Retrofit?sort=3&page=1
[22:42:08] <GammaX-2> combo parallel serial card
[22:42:32] <JT-Shop> that one worked... now if I can download it
[22:42:37] <JT-Shop> lspci
[22:42:43] <JT-Shop> or maybe lspci -v
[22:43:19] <GammaX-2> yeah I tried that...
[22:43:21] <L84Supper> the bottom is flat
[22:43:31] <PetefromTn> L84Supper: are you talking to me?
[22:44:11] <L84Supper> PetefromTn: yeah, is it flat?
[22:44:33] <PetefromTn> yup it's flat but as you can see on the one with the partition it is not that simple...
[22:45:08] <PetefromTn> Also the pictures make the rust look a lot worse than it is, a lot of that is really just light surface rust but the closeup shows the real damage...
[22:45:53] <GammaX-2> PetefromTn, electrolosys!
[22:46:56] <PetefromTn> Dunno really what to do right now. Sucks...
[22:47:14] <GammaX-2> PetefromTn, what do you mean?
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[22:47:29] <L84Supper> the most permanent fix is to cut the bottom out a weld in a new one
[22:48:17] <PetefromTn> huh? I mean I don't know what to do with it, it is really a beotch and I am not happy about it. I suppose welding in a new bottom is the most obvious permanent solution. Cutting out the bottom will be a real pain tho...
[22:48:40] <L84Supper> http://www.por15.com/faq.asp is another option and epoxy painting
[22:49:14] <L84Supper> body filler/bondo is also a cheap fix
[22:49:35] <GammaX-2> you can prolly use that entire tub as part of the electrolysis thing... hook the negative side to the container... and dangle a steel rod the length of the thing ( rebar) and attach the positive to it... 10 amps and 12v it will be rand new by morning
[22:50:24] <L84Supper> he has too many holes for that to work
[22:50:44] <PetefromTn> Yeah I was considering POR15 but it would probably take 2 gallons or more and I am not sure of the coolant acting on it...
[22:51:20] <GammaX-2> rust holes?
[22:51:39] <L84Supper> yeah, lots of pinholes
[22:51:43] <GammaX-2> ouch...
[22:51:51] <PetefromTn> Freakin guy I bought it from left it sitting with bad coolant in it for the year or more that it sat idle with clumped up chip brownies in the bottom and a layer of rusty coolant. I'd like to kick his ass right now....
[22:52:12] <GammaX-2> how thick?
[22:52:16] <GammaX-2> steel or alum?
[22:52:43] <PetefromTn> It is actually quite thick sheetmetal the whole thing is made from and it is of course steel.
[22:53:10] <JT-Shop> like 11 gauge
[22:53:46] <PetefromTn> Dunno the gauge but I can check tomorrow. It is self supporting tho even without the bends.
[22:54:17] <GammaX-2> id follow suite with L84Supper and cut it out.... install new one.... that or wire brush the shit out of it on an angle grinder and and oxy acetaline weld the pin holes... prolly wond even need wire for that..
[22:55:18] <PetefromTn> I would just tig weld the holes if I thought I could get them all. Cutting out the bottoms is looking more and more like my only real option. It would actually probably be cheaper than having it blasted and powdercoated.
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[22:56:34] <PetefromTn> Why do people pay an arm and a leg for a machine tool and then neglect the things that make it work like that.... You should have seen all the crud and dried on chips on this monster I have had to clean up. It is not like it is hard to do really.
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[22:58:25] <PetefromTn> What about welding it up and then using some garage floor sealant on the inside?
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[23:03:50] <GammaX-2> aslong as the coolant your using wont erode it...
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[23:16:45] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn: how thick is the metal?
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[23:17:54] <JT-Shop> GammaX: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/examples/pci_parallel_port.html
[23:19:40] <JT-Shop> GammaX: what was that the output from?
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[23:21:52] <GammaX-2> lspci -v
[23:22:10] <GammaX-2> it has 2 serial ports and a parrallel port on it...
[23:23:11] <GammaX-2> JT-Shop, ^^ sorry didnt tag you.
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[23:25:22] <JT-Shop> so you didn't see a PCI port parallel adaper in the output?
[23:25:43] <JT-Shop> like is shown in the link I gave you...
[23:26:06] <JT-Shop> I'm in and out of the shop
[23:26:10] <GammaX-2> nope, only that serial controller...
[23:26:45] <JT-Shop> WAG you might unplug the serial controller and run lspci -v again
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[23:27:16] <GammaX-2> well that serial controller IS the parallel port aswell...
[23:27:22] <GammaX-2> 3 ports... one card...
[23:28:12] <PetefromTn> Okay I just set one of them up on sawhorses and hit it with my pneumatic drill/wire cup wheel in the bottom of the tray and it is basically screwed. I mean there are little pits and pockets everywhere... Just basically SOL here I guess. Gonna call tomorrow about some new sheetmetal for it and hope to be ale to cut out the base and tig weld in some new sheetmetal. Always has to be a real pain in the ass whenever I try to do
[23:28:12] <PetefromTn> something I guess...
[23:36:15] <tjb1> hi JT-Shop
[23:39:44] <JT-Shop> hi tjb1
[23:39:51] <tjb1> how ya doin
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[23:40:16] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn: your not screwed, now you know the extent of the damage and have damage control in place
[23:40:36] <JT-Shop> having fun making machines and getting ready for SpyderFest!
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[23:43:15] <GammaX-2> I think im screwed with this card as a parallel port...
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[23:48:00] <PetefromTn> JT-Shop: Yeah I know but I bought this machine over a year ago and it has been a freakin' uphill battle all the way trying to get it to a place where I can finally use it to make some money. This is not a hobby for me here and while I enjoy working on it and doing the retrofit I am about over it and just want it to work now....
[23:48:11] <PetefromTn> I know poor me right....LOL
[23:48:34] <JT-Shop> no, I completly understand how you feel
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[23:49:00] <JT-Shop> my VMC has given me fits for years but I just learned to work with it
[23:49:15] <JT-Shop> sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and replace parts...
[23:53:56] <JT-Shop> what kind of parts are you going to make?
[23:54:00] <PetefromTn> It has been a dream of mine to have a machine like this working in my shop so I can really start making parts for people and hopefully turn it into something that I can profit from for years to come along with my fabrication work but so far it has been one disappointment after another with this thing...
[23:56:48] <PetefromTn> I HAD a couple companies that wanted me to make some prototypes and several folks who wanted me to manufacture some small aluminum parts for awhile there along with some of the custom badging and other ideas of my own that I had made some small cash with but basically anything that walks thru the door and is a paying gig I woul be interested in. I just have to keep telling myself that I am almost there, I just gotta fix the
[23:56:48] <PetefromTn> last few issues with the machine and move onto making parts. This coolant problem is gonna be some considerable work and money tho atop a mountain of already spent considerable work and money.
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[23:59:21] <JT-Shop> seems like you have been making good progress latley
[23:59:21] <JT-Shop> lately
[23:59:21] <JT-Shop> one finger typin cat has other hand