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[00:15:55] <L84Supper> http://www.bunniestudios.com/ I forget who was working on a IR laser 3D printer, but here's a teardown of the Form1 405nm SLA printer
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[00:21:25] <andypugh> That looks like quite a nice machine to have.
[00:22:01] <L84Supper> it's much slower than a DLP based printer
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[00:22:51] <L84Supper> lower cost SLA single laser 3D printers will be available shortly
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[00:23:33] <L84Supper> the Form1 is ~$2300
[00:24:18] <L84Supper> sorry
http://formlabs.com/collections/all $3300
[00:25:23] <andypugh> Hmm, DLP looks more tempting then.
[00:25:57] <andypugh> What does SLA stand for? I thought that was SLP (rather than SLS)
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[00:26:17] <L84Supper> easily 6mm/m build rate with 100um layers
[00:26:39] <andypugh> Selective Laser Ablation sounds like a spectacular form of subtractive machining. ;-)
[00:26:44] <L84Supper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereolithography
[00:28:19] <andypugh> Ah, so it is an RAY (Rubbish Acronym) where you take two initial letters and one totally random other one from one of the words :-)
[00:28:45] <L84Supper> yeah :)
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[00:32:40] <L84Supper> http://production3dprinters.com/sites/production3dprinters.com/files/downloads/iPro-Family-USEN.pdf 30 years later this is about as fast as they tried to get them
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[00:34:57] <L84Supper> 354.7nm 1.45W laser, 25m/sec drawing speed with 0.76mm spot
[00:39:06] <andypugh> We have some of those at work.
[00:40:26] <andypugh> My favourite machine at work is the one that takes a CAD model, FDMs a sand mould, then casts Aluminium into it. One-step cylinder heads.
[00:42:32] <toastydeath> that's god damn amazing
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[00:46:15] <L84Supper> andypugh: does it inkjet binder into sand?
[00:46:44] <andypugh> I think so, yes.
[00:47:48] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFGnjkoeDng Sand Printing Process jump to 2:30 for the actual printing
[00:47:49] <Tecan> (LFGnjkoeDng) "ExOne Sand Printing Process" by "ExOne3D" is "Tech" - Length: 0:06:54
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[00:51:56] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8MaVaqNr3U here's one with an engine block
[00:51:57] <Tecan> (Z8MaVaqNr3U) "Rapid Prototyping and Digital Sand Casting Services" by "PrometalRCT" is "Tech" - Length: 0:07:51
[00:52:27] <andypugh> That looks prettty much like the machine at work
[00:53:00] <andypugh> I should try for a transfer to that department :-)
[00:53:15] <L84Supper> they are all getting much faster and lower cost
[00:54:59] <sharpen047> does anyone use 5 axis simultaneusly?
[00:55:45] <andypugh> You tend to need to
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[00:56:36] <sharpen047> then what is indexing for
[00:57:34] <andypugh> You do what is needed.
[00:58:17] <andypugh> A lot of 4-axis work is done by indexing, but that is basically 3-axis on multiple setups.
[00:58:54] <andypugh> linuxCNC supports 9-axis :-)
[00:59:18] <sharpen047> is camworks good?
[00:59:44] <sharpen047> it says the post for emc is 3 axis and 4 and 5 are indexing only as of 2009
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[01:02:05] <andypugh> Learn Python, then extend PyCAM :-)
[01:03:29] <andypugh> Oh, that poor vice!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Milling-Vice-/281106678762?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item41734383ea
[01:03:29] <Tom_itx> i foget that one KimK said they were looking at
[01:03:35] <Tom_itx> forget*
[01:03:55] <Tom_itx> big bux though
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[01:07:34] <sharpen047> andypugh: if i do that i may as well learn to write mastercam posts too!
[01:08:05] <andypugh> Indeed. There are never too few diverting hobbies to take up :-)
[01:11:39] <Tom_itx> http://www.nccs.com/pages/nccs_home.html
[01:12:40] <andypugh> Not inexpensive, I suspect
[01:13:07] <Tom_itx> he said they may give a talk on it next month
[01:13:45] <Tom_itx> apparently their main programmer likes it
[01:14:12] <andypugh> Which "He"?
[01:14:22] <Tom_itx> Stuart
[01:14:59] <Tom_itx> kimk was talking about them discussing that and another one they use i think
[01:15:30] <andypugh> It does look very capable.
[01:16:00] <Tom_itx> capable = expensive
[01:16:14] <Tom_itx> probably not as bad as catia
[01:16:24] <Tom_itx> and probably better
[01:17:14] <Tom_itx> andypugh, click on 'who is using'
[01:17:22] <Tom_itx> MPM is there
[01:17:34] <andypugh> Lots of companies with deep pockets
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[01:18:26] <Tom_itx> did you see the tire mold?
[01:18:35] <Tom_itx> i bet those are fun to make
[01:21:20] <andypugh> I could do with a tyre mould, the one for the fire engine no longer exists.
[01:21:53] <Tom_itx> nobody sources them anymore?
[01:21:58] <andypugh> Though that just needs a big mould, there is no tread and the tyres are solid.
[01:22:32] <andypugh> How did I type "mould" when I meant "lathe"?
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[03:23:12] <PetefromTn> Evening folks...
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[03:30:43] <PetefromTn> What does all that is now known as stuff mean?
[03:31:45] <cradek> what?
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[03:34:00] <PetefromTn> Always see people changing there screen names or something like Tom just did, is it from different places like thief shop and their house or cell or something?
[03:34:22] <PetefromTn> Oops their.
[03:35:22] <PetefromTn> Im just really new to this IRC stuff, always something getting punched in I don't understand I guess.
[03:36:20] <Tom_itx> on a netsplit or loss of server etc if it can't reconnect with the nick it will use an alternate
[03:36:54] <Tom_itx> i've probably half dozen registered nicks
[03:37:16] <PetefromTn> Oh so you have different screen names and it is just trying to hookup however it can?
[03:37:36] <PetefromTn> Interesting ...
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[03:38:09] <Tom_itx> it may still be active on a server when i reconnect
[03:38:19] <Tom_itx> so it will get an alternate
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[03:39:24] <PetefromTn> Just wondered ....
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[03:43:12] <PetefromTn> Think I figured out a simple way to use my 3/4 inch led edge finder on my spare 3/4 inch facemill holder using a short lathe turned tube with setscrews. I am trying to get a few parts machined and I did not realize I bought an edge finder with such a wide diameter base. Goofed up I guess but oh well.
[03:44:50] <PetefromTn> Pete's the grass shark...LOL
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[03:47:59] <PetefromTn> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yLpQm_4dC98
[03:48:00] <Tecan> (yLpQm_4dC98) "Vertical Milling Center Norte VS-2000 LinuxCNC" by "ghislain van de walle" is "Film" - Length: 0:01:49
[03:48:13] <PetefromTn> Looks pretty cool....anyone here?
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[03:53:02] <PetefromTn> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MbZ4h3zCk2U
[03:53:04] <Tecan> (MbZ4h3zCk2U) "Ryno CNC Machine Test #3" by "Ryan Hamilton" is "Education" - Length: 0:03:56
[03:53:39] <PetefromTn> This one is funky looks like the whole world is moving with the table LOL...
[03:56:05] <grass_shark> Somehow those are not viewable in Ubuntu (they show up as mobile)
[03:56:46] <ReadError> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbZ4h3zCk2U
[03:57:12] <Tom_itx> grass_shark, fix the link and its fine
[04:00:20] <PetefromTn> Oh really did I goof posting them? I am on my smartphone here and just copied and pasted the URL into andchat.
[04:03:49] <andypugh> PetefromTn: You could machine the edge-finder
[04:04:16] <andypugh> Or sell that one back to eBay and buy a dufferent one
[04:06:20] <PetefromTn> Andy, it is one of those cheaper Chinese led models and the body houses the leds and the batteries. Besides even if I could I probably would not want to this is just a temporary measure so I can use it with some reasonable accuracy to finish this project and get paid for it so I can buy a proper holder for the edge finder..
[04:07:56] <andypugh> If you swith the "m" in thise URLs for "www" it works better
[04:08:04] <grass_shark> andypugh I know someone has used the low pass successfully
[04:08:06] <grass_shark> on the jogging but I'm not sure of the hal wiring
[04:08:07] <grass_shark> I guess an extreme thing to to would be to put limit3 in series with the
[04:08:09] <grass_shark> commanded positions when jogging
[04:09:12] <PetefromTn> Ya mean after the V=?
[04:09:30] <grass_shark> ( not sure if the TPs limits are pins or parameters, maybe they could be muxed by jog enable)
[04:09:55] <andypugh> it will work, but you need to convert to float, filter, upscale, and convert back to int.
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[04:10:58] <pcw_home> what about TPs settings? are they dynamically changeable?
[04:12:13] <andypugh> No
[04:12:42] <pcw_home> well thats unfortunate
[04:13:25] <andypugh> TP can't plan if you pull the rug from under its feet
[04:14:26] <pcw_home> it should be able to accept changes if its not in motion
[04:15:28] <andypugh> Accel is a parameter in the INI,
[04:16:29] <andypugh> But if you saw "move 1mm" then doung so in minimal time is arguably correct behaviour,
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[04:17:37] <PetefromTn> Well goodnight fellas.
[04:17:40] <andypugh> 5am. Sleep time,
[04:17:44] <pcw_home> Well its really rough when jogging
[04:17:49] <pcw_home> nite
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[04:17:56] <andypugh> Night all
[04:18:03] <Tom_itx> later andy
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[05:16:35] <Tecan> http://www.thailandunique.com/edible-insects-bugs
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[06:46:38] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[08:18:53] <nathanstenzel> does linuxcnc work with marlin and the rostock delta?
[08:23:30] <zultron> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/deltabot/tjUyIWn4zLg/S3zc_IAeGn0J
[08:28:03] <nathanstenzel> thanks
[08:28:24] <nathanstenzel> you guys use marlin firmware for cnc sometimes then?
[08:30:26] <nathanstenzel> aah. it looks like it can do both CNC and 3d printing and maybe even pick and place
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[10:23:45] <nathanstenzel> anyone have an example of gcode that uses multiple tools?
[10:25:37] <toastydeath> ...?
[10:25:55] <toastydeath> emc-specific g-code or any g-code
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[10:26:41] <nathanstenzel> well, it is merely for study, so I guess anything as long as it has multiple tools used in one session
[10:26:58] <nathanstenzel> not sure what emc is, to be honest
[10:27:28] <toastydeath> emc is a machine control
[10:27:45] <toastydeath> g-code varies slightly between different controls, so that g-code for one might not work on another
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[10:28:54] <toastydeath> for instance, emc uses the mill standard toolchange for both lathes and mills - T2 M6; changes a tool
[10:29:23] <toastydeath> other controls use T0202; for lathe tool changes, and T2 M6; for mills
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[10:34:14] <skroon> hi
[10:40:18] <nathanstenzel> "M211" being "AUX 1 on" look familiar? does it sound like it may be compatible with CNC machines?
[10:50:00] <cpresser> nathanstenzel: M-Codes >100 are user defined. linuxcnc can be programmed to to anything on m211
[10:54:06] <nathanstenzel> ah. thanks, cpresser
[10:55:23] <toastydeath> nathanstenzel, you'd have to know which control that came from
[10:55:26] <toastydeath> not only what brand, but what mfg
[10:55:59] <toastydeath> some mfg's have standard m-codes up through 400
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[10:58:11] <toastydeath> generally g/m codes under 100 are mostly standard, with two major branches
[10:58:19] <toastydeath> and anything over 100 is highly control specific
[10:58:38] <toastydeath> er, mfg = model
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[12:52:48] <tgary_> Hi! Update manager says, that 12.04.2 LTS is available. Is it safe to upgrade the OS, or better stay with the origonal 12.04?
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[13:17:13] <Vq> tgary_: IIRC you should not upgrade if you wish to keep the linuxcnc software operational on your machine.
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[13:31:31] <skroon> is it common to use decimal points in coordinates?
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[13:38:28] <cradek> nowadays yes. some extremely old NC machines did not (so you had to specify the right number of trailing zeroes instead)
[13:39:35] <cradek> tgary_: are you sure you currently have 12?
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[13:40:29] <skroon> cradek: right, my machine also supports it, I was just wondering if it was usual case
[13:41:04] <cradek> yes since early 80s it's been pretty typical
[13:41:14] <cradek> before then things were weirder
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[13:49:07] <skroon> cradek: i'm experimenting with my machine, manually writing Gcode, and for example my manual i'm able to use G10 commands, when however i'm trying to run it through the LinuxCNC simulator, it givies me an error that L1, L2 or L10 values need to be specified when using G10
[13:49:54] <skroon> does that mean the particular machine i'm using in the simulator needs those L1, L2 or L10 values, or LinuxCNC in general?
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[14:08:17] <cradek> I don't understand your question exactly, but L is used to specify the variant of G10. G10 can do lots of things and the L word is how you pick the thing
[14:08:44] <cradek> for help with gcode, always start here:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode.html
[14:09:01] <cradek> notice the G10 variants near the bottom
[14:09:05] <cradek> click on them for more detail
[14:10:23] <skroon> cool thanks
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[14:24:02] <tgary_> Vq, cradek: I have Ubuntu 12.04 with linuxCNC 2.5, and I want to keep it.
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[14:46:04] <sharpen047> hey everyone
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[15:35:29] <Tom_itx> huh, 12.04 works with linux?
[15:35:47] <Tom_itx> i was of the opinion you shouldn't update past 10.04 yet
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[16:38:04] <IchGuckLive> Hi all B)
[16:38:19] <IchGuckLive> 24h race in germany live
http://www.24h-rennen.de/live/
[16:40:44] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: ß
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[17:15:33] <IchGuckLive> wetteris bad this sunday
[17:16:37] <Celelibi> Hi.
[17:16:41] <Tom_itx> no sunny wetter?
[17:17:08] <Celelibi> Is there another free/opensource CNC control which is not linux-based?
[17:17:33] <Tom_itx> if you want reprap there is
[17:18:17] <IchGuckLive> Celelibi: where are you from country im from germany
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[17:19:58] <Celelibi> I'm french.
[17:21:19] <IchGuckLive> im also near the french boarder Bitch 25km
[17:21:56] <IchGuckLive> what is your goal to meet Mill Lathe,Reprap, ...
[17:22:10] <Celelibi> I don't have any goal.
[17:22:11] <IchGuckLive> Plasma ?
[17:22:21] <Celelibi> I just read the topic and then wondered. :)
[17:22:41] <IchGuckLive> so do you got a mashine already
[17:23:37] <Celelibi> nop
[17:23:48] <Celelibi> You may also ask why am I here. :)
[17:23:58] <IchGuckLive> Hard to tell you then what is best for you if you only got less infos
[17:24:18] <IchGuckLive> B)
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[17:44:23] <IchGuckLive> ok im off by for today
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[17:57:04] <sharpen047> does anyone use simultaneous 5 axis? if so which cam do you use
[17:57:30] <Tom_itx> i showed you one yesterday
[17:58:08] <Tom_itx> my cad cam supposedly will do it but it's limited
[17:58:19] <Tom_itx> and i've never tried to
[17:58:57] <Tom_itx> it would be interesting to try and set up a post for it to see what it would do
[17:59:17] <Tom_itx> but i don't have a machine to try it on
[18:03:05] <Tom_itx> looks like there's a couple on their site though
[18:03:17] <Tom_itx> http://www.smartcamcnc.com/Technical_Support/CodeGen/ts_cg_index.php
[18:03:41] <Tom_itx> fanuc11m
[18:08:54] <Tom_itx> there's a gantry one there you could look at but you wouldn't be able to see the machine define file, just the template file
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[18:11:23] <skunkworks> sharpen047: you might want to ask the question on the mailing list.
[18:11:33] <skunkworks> Stuart of mpm may have some good info
[18:11:48] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, i suggested he try to attend the fest
[18:12:11] <Tom_itx> or ask on the list like you said
[18:12:28] <Tom_itx> i guess stuart frequents there from time to time?
[18:13:58] <sharpen047> Tom_itx: yeah i see a lot that are able but i dont see anyone who does
[18:14:06] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: that too!
[18:14:25] <Tom_itx> in person is always better :)
[18:14:27] <sharpen047> Tom_itx: camworks seems to be the most supported for emc but its only 4th and 5th indexing
[18:14:54] <Tom_itx> i would suppose mine is the same way due to the age of the version i have
[18:19:03] <sharpen047> simultaneous is supported by emc but the post seems to be the limitation
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[18:33:38] <skroon> is it still common today to use G40 (tool diameter offset), or does the CAM software already provide the right compensations, taking the diameter of the drill bit into account?
[18:34:49] <Tom_itx> you can do it either way i suppose
[18:35:18] <Tom_itx> if you enter an undersize drill in the cam it should account for it
[18:35:32] <Tom_itx> using comp saves you reposting the gcode
[18:36:09] <Tom_itx> doubt comp works on a drill bit though
[18:36:27] <Tom_itx> it's path is pretty much determined by it's centerline
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[18:38:38] <skroon> centerline?
[18:38:55] <Tom_itx> well you said drillbit
[18:39:05] <skroon> what is "undersize drill" ?
[18:39:14] <skroon> yeah, i'm trying to make pcb circuits with milling
[18:39:21] <Tom_itx> a mill cuts on the side
[18:39:21] <Tom_itx> a drill cuts on the end
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[18:39:50] <Tom_itx> generally speaking anyway
[18:39:52] <skroon> ah right, like a mill cuts when moving horizontally (when YX plane is selected)
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[19:43:28] <Guest88697> hello i need help i had downloaded linuxcnc. now i want to start it live but he ask for an log in to ubuntu. can someone help me? thx
[19:47:36] <Guest88697> hallo
[19:47:39] <Guest88697> jemand da?
[20:03:12] <JT-Shop> the LiveCD should not ask to log into anything just boot up and prompt you to "try" or "install"
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[20:18:22] <Tom_itx> woo hoo, tornado weather coming this way
[20:18:46] <PetefromTn> wah jeez man good luck and keep your head down....!!
[20:21:22] <Tom_itx> it's routine
[20:21:44] <PetefromTn> Remind me to never live where Tornadoes are "Routine"
[20:22:20] <Tom_itx> it's flat here so at least we can see em coming
[20:22:42] <PetefromTn> LOL yeah I guess that might help some, unless it is night time.
[20:22:58] <JT-Shop> then you hear them
[20:22:59] <PetefromTn> My favorite aunt lives in Round Rock Texas.
[20:23:01] <Tom_itx> generally come in late afternoon
[20:23:11] <Tom_itx> once the air has time to heat up all day
[20:23:28] <Tom_itx> where jt lives you can't see em coming
[20:23:31] <PetefromTn> Yeah probably but I have heard of them at night before too.
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[20:23:39] <Tom_itx> that's where the problem comes
[20:24:05] <Tom_itx> we do however hold 2 records for them
[20:24:13] <PetefromTn> Yeah but even if you can see them coming you can't move your house out of the way just your self and your family.
[20:24:24] <PetefromTn> what city?
[20:25:54] <JT-Shop> I didn't even see the EF4 that passed 900' from my house
[20:26:19] <PetefromTn> pucker factor?
[20:26:43] <JT-Shop> I can show you the butt prints in the concrete wall of my garage
[20:27:02] <PetefromTn> I'll bet LOL.. glad you are safe.
[20:27:44] <Tom_itx> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Andover,_Kansas_tornado_outbreak
[20:27:52] <JT-Shop> it was strange to see 100' oak trees fall over in slow motion and a similar hickory tree split in the middle
[20:27:54] <PetefromTn> We have actually had a few go near us here in East Tennessee. Generally we live close enough to the mountains that they are either on their way out by the time they get near or they just form and die off..
[20:28:20] <Tom_itx> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2007_tornado_outbreak
[20:28:50] * JT-Shop wanders off to do something... now what was it
[20:28:56] <Tom_itx> heh
[20:29:01] <PetefromTn> Moral of the story is....don't live in Kansas.
[20:29:18] <PetefromTn> or NE texas..
[20:30:53] <JT-Shop> oh this is nice to know Poplar Bluff-area historical tornado activity is above Missouri state average. It is 154% greater than the overall U.S. average.
[20:30:54] <JT-Shop> Read more:
http://www.city-data.com/city/Poplar-Bluff-Missouri.html#ixzz2TlxlMaTy
[20:31:12] <JT-Shop> where did that last bit come from?
[20:31:37] <JT-Shop> Poplar Bluff-area historical earthquake activity is significantly above Missouri state average. It is 13% greater than the overall U.S. average.
[20:32:21] <JT-Shop> This is the one that passed by the house on 4/24/2002, a category F4 (max. wind speeds 207-260 mph) tornado 4.9 miles away from the Poplar Bluff city center injured 16 people and caused $45 million in damages.
[20:32:43] <JT-Shop> be back later
[20:33:29] <PetefromTn> too close for comfort.
[20:34:06] <PetefromTn> Wife is making some ravioli's and sausage in sauce. Seriously doubt I will be able to wait for dinner before I eat some LOL
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