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[09:59:52] <mhaberler> Aero-Tec3: not that I know of, but if you use master you can write your own cycle G-codes: http://tinyurl.com/oau7rwe
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[14:01:06] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: dont' know nothing about the Kawa but the GL1500 looks clean
[14:01:36] <JT-Shop> opps GL1200
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[14:06:35] <cradek> http://lincoln.craigslist.org/mcy/3831162426.html
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[14:17:42] <JT-Shop> yours?
[14:19:29] <cradek> yeah, so far
[14:19:35] <cradek> a few people interested, but all flakes
[14:19:52] <JT-Shop> looking to give it a new zip code?
[14:20:00] <JT-Shop> a bunch of flakes out there
[14:20:35] <JT-Shop> my neighbor would say I just gave xyz a new zip code meaning he sold it
[14:20:35] <cradek> I don't care where it ends up :-)
[14:20:35] <cradek> someone showing up with cash can have it
[14:20:48] <JT-Shop> don't for get your marking pen
[14:21:18] <cradek> ?
[14:21:31] <JT-Shop> to check for fake bills
[14:21:51] <mozmck> check for fake fiat money :)
[14:21:56] <cradek> arg
[14:21:56] <cradek> would've never thought of that
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[14:43:31] <Getty> that technical stuff really makes fun, just had again an awesome discussion with my dad, learned again a tons about physics ;) LOL and now we move the table, not the drill ;)
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[15:33:35] <fbx90> ahoy
[15:35:01] <fbx90> cradek: i was just in lincoln over the weekend
[15:37:36] <cradek> aha, lucky you
[15:38:37] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: and the price?
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[15:40:41] <JT-Shop> well cash talks and BS walks so I'd start with a stack of 20 Bengies
[15:40:41] <JT-Shop> and if I really wanted it I'd bring more
[15:40:51] <JT-Shop> I still see GL1200's on the road around here often
[15:41:28] <Jymmm> so $2k is reasonable?
[15:42:21] <JT-Shop> clean and low miles I'd say ...
[15:42:35] <JT-Shop> up to you
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[15:43:04] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I have no context is why I asked.
[15:43:33] <JT-Shop> I've not priced any GL1200's so I don't know either
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[15:43:46] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I'm not even sure what to look at on a bike other than if the tires are good and it hasn't been dumped hard.
[15:43:59] <JT-Shop> I paid $10k for a 98 GL1500
[15:44:30] <JT-Shop> start it up and see how many things work like lights and radio and any other accessories
[15:44:32] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: in 1998 or 2008?
[15:45:00] <JT-Shop> in 2007or8 can't remember
[15:45:49] <JT-Shop> check flea bay for asking prices for similar bikes
[15:46:29] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Well, I just dont' want to low-ball someone if htey are asking a reasonable price to begin with is all.
[15:47:16] <cradek> for some reason it's much harder to price a motorcycle than a car
[15:47:35] <jdh> I'm a fan of lowball offers.
[15:47:47] <Jymmm> jdh: whys that?
[15:47:53] <jdh> especially for things that people don't really need (boats, bikes, etc)
[15:48:46] <jdh> because they often take them.
[15:49:00] <Jymmm> ah
[15:49:03] <JT-Shop> and he said it was not for him, but he may not want to let it go for much less than he paid because he has only had it a short while
[15:49:14] <Jymmm> you meant GIVING a low ball ofer.
[15:49:21] <jdh> sure
[15:49:27] <jdh> I don't mind receiving them either.
[15:49:34] <Jymmm> gotcha
[15:49:37] <JT-Shop> if they have been sitting for a long time they will take any offer
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[16:28:49] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: you ride a bike now or in the past?
[16:30:09] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: In the past, before a friend borrowed my bike and forget which was the brake and which was the clutch as he was heading towards a brick wall. The wall won.
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[16:32:12] <JT-Shop> is your new motto never let friends borrow your bike
[16:33:15] <JT-Shop> http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=41302
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[16:33:19] <JT-Shop> something like this?
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[16:41:36] <CaptHindsight> did you see the 3 people on the bike in the lower left?
[16:45:02] <JT-Shop> I've seen them carry almost anything on those scooters
[16:46:16] <gabewillen> so i am 1 hour into a kernel compilation and i forgot to set the CONCURRENCY_LEVEL ... should i abort set it and restart continue or wait it out?
[16:47:35] <gabewillen> Won't it resume where it left off?
[16:50:09] <cpresser> gabewillen: depends :) when you are using make, it will resume
[16:50:18] <cpresser> dpkg-buildpackage however will restart
[16:51:07] <gabewillen> i stopped it, restarted its cruising now
[16:51:21] <gabewillen> good thing i have to go to work in an 30mins
[16:51:58] <gabewillen> i wonder how long it took to compile a major program in the 80's and early 90's
[16:52:10] <gabewillen> days?
[16:52:40] <pcw_home> minutes probably
[16:53:02] <archivist> programs were not full of OOP crap in the 1980's :)
[16:53:10] <pcw_home> software bloat has outrun even the best hardware
[16:53:46] <gabewillen> who is to blame?
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[16:54:06] <jdh> Obama
[16:54:11] <gabewillen> lol
[16:54:11] <archivist> my cycle time for an eprom for a printer was 45 minutes early 80s
[16:54:58] <archivist> edit. on a cpm, compile, move to pet program eprom
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[16:57:54] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[16:58:14] <IchGuckLive> nice and sunny hot temperatures here in germany
[16:58:30] <gabewillen> alright, i'll be back just patched RTAI on kernel 3.4.53, time to test it out
[16:58:33] <IchGuckLive> clear sky going at telescop time tonight
[16:59:12] <IchGuckLive> gabewillen: why not staying on 10.04 and 2.5.2
[16:59:23] <IchGuckLive> all cad CAM s run on it
[16:59:37] <IchGuckLive> i got sheetcam running gimp incscape ...
[16:59:53] <IchGuckLive> full service mashine
[17:00:09] <gabewillen> Because of massive improvements in the 3.x kernels
[17:00:24] <IchGuckLive> no need on steppers
[17:00:43] <gabewillen> Its not a latency issue
[17:01:34] <gabewillen> for instance in the 3.x kernel's usb driver's don't spinlock on read and write.
[17:02:03] <IchGuckLive> agree on that
[17:02:17] <IchGuckLive> but dont plug usb on mashining at all
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[17:02:49] <gabewillen> Also it should be a goal to keep up as much as possible with the kernel devel
[17:03:10] <gabewillen> It only gets harder the longer we wait, and the more thats changed
[17:03:46] <IchGuckLive> agree
[17:04:02] <gabewillen> Not saying it needs to be used until deemed stable
[17:04:19] <gabewillen> the 2.6.32 kernel is rock solid
[17:04:36] <IchGuckLive> you are the test objekt
[17:05:32] <gabewillen> of course... if it aint broke, break it and make it better. Thats my motto
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[17:06:31] <IchGuckLive> i think the 14.04 lts will be the goal to meet as he 10.04 is supported till 04.2015
[17:07:07] <IchGuckLive> but its a miss on the cam systems
[17:07:22] <IchGuckLive> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[17:08:05] <IchGuckLive> always as i go to retirerment next year it coudt be all over for me soon
[17:08:22] <IchGuckLive> so 2.5.2 is to stay with for me
[17:08:27] <andypugh> IchGuckLive: The colours are unclear, but Desktop 10.04 is already out of support.
[17:08:59] <IchGuckLive> andypugh: thanks
[17:10:27] <IchGuckLive> andypugh: as colors show 10.04 dektop out at Feb 2013
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[17:13:24] <IchGuckLive> today i got 4 youtube abos
[17:14:35] <IchGuckLive> i hope as i always point to the channel here people qwill meat us
[17:16:12] <pcw_home> I hope that they would meet us and not "meat" us
[17:16:31] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[17:17:10] <IchGuckLive> maybe its the englisg spelling if been firerd not the linuxcnc Ubuntu education lessens
[17:17:15] <jthornton> soylent green
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[17:19:13] <jthornton> mmmm Sioux City Orange Cream
[17:20:05] <IchGuckLive> soda ?
[17:20:15] <IchGuckLive> or color
[17:20:19] <jthornton> soda
[17:20:54] <IchGuckLive> ice cold Jam
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[18:13:34] <frallzor> I told myself when I built my machine I could live with all manual settings and such, but when one adds 2 small functions that does things for you, you are in heaven!
[18:14:43] <IchGuckLive> it does all you can imagan if you can pay for it
[18:14:48] <IchGuckLive> By
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[19:08:21] <frallzor> ahh machining my last coaster!
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[19:10:22] <fbx90> out of how many?
[19:10:52] <frallzor> 6 =P
[19:10:56] <frallzor> but its boring!
[19:11:14] <frallzor> the fun part is now, but that might F it all up
[19:11:30] <frallzor> adding clear epoxy resin in the cavities
[19:14:14] <fbx90> pics?
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[19:18:40] <frallzor> Think you have seen it, wasnt your friend a liverpool buff?
[19:22:31] <fbx90> nope
[19:22:34] <fbx90> not me :)
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[19:28:49] <frallzor> mixing epoxy right now
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[19:46:57] <PetefromTn> Epoxy is your friend..
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[20:34:11] <fbx90> epoxy is awesome when it works
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[20:38:56] <archivist> and a pain when it does not
[20:43:15] * JT-Shop finally got the rotary table full of oil
[20:43:54] * FinboySlick offers a classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7G7xOG2Ag
[20:43:56] <Tecan> (Ac7G7xOG2Ag) ""Turbo Encabulator" the Original" by "Dave Rondot" is "Comedy" - Length: 0:01:49
[20:44:15] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, are you 'cncing' it?
[20:44:21] <JT-Shop> yea
[20:44:45] <Tom_itx> i wish i had a rotary like that only smaller
[20:45:00] <JT-Shop> smaller than what?
[20:45:15] <Tom_itx> the one you got
[20:45:20] <JT-Shop> ah
[20:45:24] <archivist> they come in various sizes
[20:45:27] <Tom_itx> it wouldn't fit on my mill :)
[20:45:31] <JT-Shop> they make a 6" and 4"
[20:45:35] <Tom_itx> i'm sure
[20:45:44] <JT-Shop> you need a 2"?
[20:45:49] <Tom_itx> i don't think so
[20:45:57] <Tom_itx> 4" might fit
[20:46:10] <Tom_itx> 2" you couldn't do much with
[20:46:12] <archivist> the tiny 2 and a bit inch I saw was rubbish
[20:46:37] <JT-Shop> the 4 jaw chuck is taller than the rotary :(
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[20:48:06] <Tom_itx> did a specific job encourage you to get it?
[20:48:25] <JT-Shop> yes
[20:48:58] <Tom_itx> i think the one we had on the fadal had a 3jaw hydraulic chuck iirc
[20:49:17] <Tom_itx> i might be wrong on that, it's been quite a while
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[20:49:58] <Tom_itx> it was an indexer though
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[20:58:48] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:07:45] <frallzor> ahhh all done with le epoxy
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[21:46:30] <fbx90> hmm
[21:46:36] <fbx90> gat damn scaling issues
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[21:59:01] <frallzor> interesting how hot the epoxy became while curing
[22:03:28] <DaViruz> they do. 5min epoxy can get burning hot
[22:04:35] <frallzor> this is 24h epoxy though
[22:04:40] <frallzor> so not that bad
[22:04:59] <frallzor> or well 12-24h demoulding time
[22:05:21] <DaViruz> oh.
[22:05:59] <DaViruz> my 12h aeropoxy epoxy doesn't get warm at all.
[22:06:23] <frallzor> this isnt an adhesive though
[22:06:40] <frallzor> more like fake glass
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[22:06:53] <DaViruz> 12h lamination epoxy usually gets a little warm when in a cup
[22:08:05] <frallzor> time for refill, sunk in enough now to not sink in more =)
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[22:11:48] <fbx90> who posted a link to that german touch probe the other day?
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[22:19:55] <Tom_itx> http://www.mmsonline.com/columns/gage-contacts-get-the-point
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[22:34:22] <frallzor> me
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[22:35:44] <frallzor> http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5510/5x5h.jpg now its just drying, slowly...
[22:38:51] <JT-Shop> do you sand it flat after it dries?
[22:39:08] <JT-Shop> nice work
[22:39:40] <frallzor> JT-Shop yup
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[22:39:49] <JT-Shop> nice
[22:39:54] <frallzor> otherwise it wont look puuuurty
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[23:02:53] * JT-Shop waits for the epoxy to dry
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[23:06:57] <frallzor> 12-14hrs
[23:06:59] <frallzor> =P
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[23:22:45] * JT-Shop doens't respond well to http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/26768-tool-setting#36686
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[23:25:15] <JT-Shop> I sent him to Mack
[23:25:28] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Where in the manusl does it state the LOCATION of the ini file?
[23:25:45] <JT-Shop> in file locations
[23:26:20] <Jymmm> link?
[23:26:32] <Jymmm> and you knew I was gonna ask that
[23:26:39] <Tom_itx> sounds like a kid
[23:26:57] <JT-Shop> yea and I'm kinda busy and only have 30 minutes to complete 45 minutes worth of work
[23:27:17] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: whenever, no biggy
[23:27:57] * Tom_itx looks at the 8 ball JT-Shop's behind
[23:28:02] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: maybe, be he has a valid point. WHAT is it, and WHERE is it.
[23:28:14] <Tom_itx> i managed
[23:28:18] <Tom_itx> i was a noob when i started
[23:28:22] <JT-Shop> I see an error
[23:28:32] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: But you're "special"
[23:28:34] <JT-Shop> I was less than a noob when I started
[23:28:42] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, i know :)
[23:28:54] * JT-Shop sees another branding error in the docs
[23:29:41] <Tom_itx> but i used irc quite a bit to get going too
[23:29:47] <Jymmm> It's like looking at a project's website. they say/have EVERYTHING else, except a one-liner of WTF "it" is.
[23:29:50] <Tom_itx> maybe the docs should point here
[23:30:00] <JT-Shop> they do
[23:30:12] <Tom_itx> that proves he didn't read the docs
[23:31:06] <frallzor> no time for ze bed and wake up with semi-done coasters!
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[23:32:31] <Tom_itx> i wonder if he installed one of the 'template' files when he loaded lcnc
[23:32:40] <Tom_itx> it asks you where to put it
[23:35:56] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/Getting_EMC.html#_getting_help
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[23:49:31] <fbx90> so i was checking out the list of hardware that works well with emc2
[23:49:42] <fbx90> and i couldn't find any of it that is still available :)
[23:50:00] <fbx90> my current box has shitty latency and i want to replace it with a motherboard with known low latency
[23:50:27] <fbx90> any suggestions?
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[23:52:25] <JT-Shop> did you look on the forum, there are some recent posts on motherboards
[23:52:45] <fbx90> i poked around
[23:52:49] <fbx90> i'll look again
[23:52:52] <JT-Shop> I just put one in my plasma cutter a few weeks ago
[23:53:21] <fbx90> what kind of latency are you getting?
[23:53:24] <JT-Shop> should find it in the PC Computers section
[23:53:28] <fbx90> k
[23:54:29] <JT-Shop> 15,000ns
[23:54:38] <JT-Shop> are you using software step generation?
[23:55:19] <fbx90> yeah
[23:56:17] <fbx90> most of the posts in the forums are pretty old
[23:56:33] <fbx90> some of them are already unavailable too
[23:56:50] <JT-Shop> let me find the box
[23:57:56] <JT-Shop> search for asus e45 m1-m pro on the forum
[23:58:27] <fbx90> hmm, no results