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[00:15:28] <desti_> upps.. sorry, old version of halui
[00:16:30] <andypugh> desti_: Joints=axes was an early mistake in EMC, and it is taking a long time to unravel that assumption in the code (especially as it is important to keep the code working)
[00:19:44] <desti_> now i see correct code in git source "for (joint=0; joint < num_joints; joint++)".
[00:24:25] <andypugh> I found a potential source of 250W 36V brushless motors (ideal for the Mesa 7i39).
https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5951817748876519665
[00:24:46] <andypugh> This is my "autopsy" of an eBay electrical bicycle motor.
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[00:32:11] <Tom_itx> andypugh have you done much with your bbb?
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[00:32:59] <andypugh> I booted it once....
[00:33:13] <Tom_itx> heh
[00:33:57] <Tom_itx> hammond just came out with a nice little case for them
[00:34:10] <Tom_itx> same blue boxes i use
[00:34:14] <Tom_itx> just bigger
[00:34:57] <Tom_itx> are those bike motors similar to the F&P?
[00:35:04] <Tom_itx> or that other washer one you have
[00:36:46] <andypugh> Very similar, much smaller.
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[00:37:40] <andypugh> Also 36V not 240V
[00:39:23] <andypugh> It comes with a really nice 3-big + 5 small cable. I wonder where that comes from? I actually have a pressing need for 3 power + 8 signal cable, but have never found any.
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[00:50:40] <Tom_itx> andypugh, are all the VFIELD tied together on the 7i71?
[00:50:53] <Tom_itx> not split like the 7i84...
[00:52:02] <andypugh> I don't know, I have never used it.
[00:52:04] <Tom_itx> also, conflicting documentation says field power 8-32v and in another place in the file it says 5-28v
[00:52:13] <Tom_itx> will it run 5v logic out?
[00:52:19] <Tom_itx> oh
[00:52:28] <andypugh> It was a sample board for driver development. I know that the driver can see it..
[00:52:51] <Tom_itx> what did you use for field power?
[00:53:12] <Tom_itx> i've got VIN tied to 24v but haven't powered it yet
[00:53:22] <Tom_itx> jumpered W1 so it will power externally
[00:53:47] <Tom_itx> i _was_ gonna tie VFIELD to 5v
[00:54:12] <andypugh> Ask PCW, you get a warrantly that way :-)
[00:54:40] <Tom_itx> meh, can't hardly expect that with these :)
[00:56:03] <desti_> andypugh: you make electrical bicycle?
[00:56:28] <andypugh> No, I just bought the motor to see what was inside. I like motos
[00:57:35] <desti_> nice hobby :)
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[01:00:12] <Tom_itx> andypugh what indicator will i have that it's connected to the driver?
[01:00:16] <andypugh> This is the only bicycle I ever made.
https://union.ic.ac.uk/rcc/rcsmotor/gallery/index.php/1980s/1987-1988/88-Jane/scan0003
[01:00:42] <Tom_itx> i'm testing the bit file as well
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[01:09:18] <andypugh> Just found a better picture of my bicycle, and me 20+ years ago:
https://union.ic.ac.uk/rcc/rcsmotor/gallery/index.php/Unidentified/NoClue/OddsandSods9/Jane_and_A_Pugh
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[01:16:59] <seb_kuzminsky> it's an nml round trip between halui and task, and bouncing around in task for a while
[01:18:12] <desti_> ridiculous bicycle.. I had such bicycle 20 years ago, but 2-seater
[01:18:47] <andypugh> I plan a 4-seater. But that will require engineering.
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[01:21:23] <desti_> Sebastian: can U say something about it:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/russian/forum/10-advanced-configuration/26854-jointaxes3-and-gentrivkins#40545
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[01:25:10] <seb_kuzminsky> desti_: didn't andypugh's comment address the OP's issue?
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[01:28:02] <desti_> it is not my question, I found similar at a forum
[01:28:25] <andypugh> Tom_itx: My 7i71 is not showing any life at all. So I am guessing that field power is needed. Let me fiddle with jumpers (sorry for the delay, I had to reflash to a less freaky firmware)
[01:29:13] <pcw_home> The 7I71 will communicate (but not start) with no VFIELD
[01:29:37] <desti_> all ini files checked, gantrykins work, but if i switch to gentriv - problems as described in post
[01:29:50] <pcw_home> so it will fail a start command (with a undervoltage error)
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[01:30:52] <andypugh> But I suspect that the 7i71 has no cable-power option?
[01:32:15] <pcw_home> No cable power option its needs VIN to communicate and valid vfield to start
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[01:47:25] <andypugh> Night all.
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[03:47:27] <Tom_itx> pcw_home the bitfile doesn't seem to be loading or is incorrect
[03:47:58] <Tom_itx> the .vhd and results are here:
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/bitfiles/
[03:48:30] <skunkworks> you did power cycle the comptuer?
[03:48:55] <Tom_itx> powered up with 24v on vfield and vin
[03:49:02] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, since i did what?
[03:49:10] <skunkworks> flashed the 5i25
[03:49:16] <Tom_itx> i don't have a 5i25
[03:49:19] <skunkworks> oh
[03:49:32] <Tom_itx> i'm using a 7i43 with a 7i47 and a custom bit file
[03:49:39] <skunkworks> ah - never mind then
[03:49:42] <Tom_itx> :)
[03:49:54] <Tom_itx> i'm open to suggestions though
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[03:50:35] <Tom_itx> i'm fairly sure the card is wired in right
[03:53:09] <Tom_itx> 7i71 RXA -> 7I47 TX0
[03:53:09] <Tom_itx> 7i71 RXB -> 7I47 /TX0
[03:53:09] <Tom_itx> 7i71 TXA -> 7I47 RX0
[03:53:09] <Tom_itx> 7i71 TXB -> 7I47 /RX0
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[04:01:32] <Tom_itx> double checked the bit file is in the right directory
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[04:54:57] <RyanS> http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb176/Mingzhus/drillpressjunctionbox_zps5b116975.jpg (junction box 3P, 415V, 1.5kw) do I have an easy VFD upgrade or a nuisance? There is no badge or labels on the motor which is a pain
[05:00:28] <dgarr> lb
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[06:07:12] <Tom_itx> ok i can confirm the bit file is loading. the functions are remapping like the .vhd file shows
[06:07:20] <Tom_itx> with the dmesg listing
[06:07:47] <Tom_itx> i compared the original with the modified and they are different
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[07:51:32] <_DJ_> moin
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[09:41:43] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[09:42:20] <archivist> is it?
[09:42:43] <Loetmichel> <- MUCH better is ... pain is gone, only a running nose left... ;-)
[09:42:55] <Loetmichel> over here it is... more or less ;-)
[09:43:06] <Loetmichel> [10:41] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[09:44:08] <archivist> I need to find a cd to try the latency test on a couple of pcs
[09:44:40] <archivist> or...find the one I used last time
[09:46:03] <Loetmichel> burn one?
[09:50:30] <archivist> I have to find a blank to do that, or go out and get some
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[10:12:49] <archivist> one silly pc wont boot from cd.....
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[10:24:22] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[10:24:47] <Loetmichel> cd and dvd blanks is a thing one should have in stock anyways ;-)
[10:25:19] <Loetmichel> and should my stock be empty i go to the desk of my wife and snatch some
[10:25:21] <Loetmichel> :-)
[10:26:38] <GuShH> Loetmichel: and should her stock be empty? THEN WHAT?
[10:27:40] <archivist> this pc is fighting...is is stubbornly refusing to boot from cd
[10:28:25] <Loetmichel> GuShH: she is a woman. Her stock is NEVER empty ;-)
[10:28:40] <Loetmichel> archivist: bad drive?
[10:29:09] <kengu> archivist: i have tried to boot from cds and from usb sticks and then finally just used networkboot that works like a charm
[10:30:43] <Loetmichel> *sneeeze* [grabs a paper tissue] *TOOOOOOT*... hmm, i should bring the paper bin out... the first soft tissues a falling out (full) ;-)
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[11:07:06] <archivist> bios boot order was important
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=764497
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[14:08:18] <Tom_itx> archivist no usb to boot from?
[14:08:38] <Tom_itx> i guess if it has floppy, probably not
[14:08:50] <archivist> its running linuxcnc now
[14:09:44] <Tom_itx> horray!
[14:09:55] <Tom_itx> my sserial isn't showing up yet
[14:10:27] <Tom_itx> my next step is to make sure the config line is ok
[14:11:11] <archivist> I have also been out in the garage playing with a dividing head
[14:11:26] <Tom_itx> wish i had one or a rotary head
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[14:14:07] <archivist> I search broken on fleabay and found 221319084790 bit rusty and a few parts missing but not siezed
[14:14:09] <atom1> CONFIG="firmware=hm2/7i43-4/SVST2_4_7I47SS.BIT num_encoders=2 num_pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=4 sserial_port_0=3x"
[14:14:18] <Tom_itx> that's what i've been using
[14:14:33] <Tom_itx> i get no errors but it doesn't show up that i can tell
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[15:09:22] <Tom_itx> where can i find out about sserial modes? the doc says there are 9 modes but doesn't list them. somewhere else in the docs it mentions only 2 modes have been implemented
[15:10:48] <pcw_home> Modes depend entirely on the remote (If you are not sure, select 0 as 0 is always valid)
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[15:11:56] <Tom_itx> i posted my config line above and it loads with no errors but i don't see any sserial in dmesg or halcmd show pins
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[15:13:05] <pcw_home> usually that means that no device was found
[15:13:31] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure why sserial has =3x' behind it other than your recomendation
[15:14:06] <pcw_home> thats probably invalid
[15:14:15] <Tom_itx> i'm wondering that myself now
[15:14:33] <pcw_home> you need to look at the supported modes in the manual
[15:14:43] <Tom_itx> the device manual?
[15:14:53] <Tom_itx> i was looking at that
[15:15:03] <Tom_itx> 0 hardware 1 software?
[15:15:07] <pcw_home> I think master is better at reporting sserial errors
[15:15:48] <pcw_home> master should report a invalid mode error
[15:16:00] <Tom_itx> how do i run it as master?
[15:16:17] <pcw_home> Linuxcnc master
[15:16:32] <Tom_itx> oh from a terminal
[15:16:53] <pcw_home> no just the latest (master) version of linuxcnc
[15:17:07] <Tom_itx> ok
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[15:17:55] <pcw_home> in any case i think the 7I71 only has one mode so 3 is definately wrong
[15:18:05] <Tom_itx> k, i'll try 0
[15:18:41] <Tom_itx> that may have been set for the 7i84
[15:18:46] <pcw_home> (see the software process data modes section of the manual) it may have 2 modes not sure
[15:19:59] <pcw_home> mode cannot really be illustrated in the man page because they can mean entirely different things for different remotes
[15:20:01] <pcw_home> (LinuxCNC master lists the modes and mode names)
[15:20:11] <Tom_itx> yeah i see
[15:20:34] <Tom_itx> do the card pdf's describe it for each card?
[15:20:47] <pcw_home> yes,
[15:21:11] <pcw_home> but of course new modes may be added by firmware updates
[15:21:20] <Tom_itx> yeah the 84 has mode0..2
[15:21:24] <Tom_itx> yep
[15:21:43] <Tom_itx> mode 0 looks pretty safe
[15:21:51] <pcw_home> so it nice the the latest LinuxCNC reports the available modes
[15:22:10] <pcw_home> mode 0 always works
[15:22:23] <Tom_itx> i will want an encoder on the 84 though
[15:22:33] <Tom_itx> i'll start with 0 until it works
[15:22:42] <pcw_home> hardware modes are different (set with option jumpers typically)
[15:23:03] <Tom_itx> looks like on the 7i84 i may need mode2 for encoder
[15:23:58] <Tom_itx> if you run a chain of these off one tx rx pair how do you determine the chain order?
[15:24:08] <pcw_home> since the 7I71 is an digital output only device it doesn't have many options
[15:24:17] <Tom_itx> yeah i can see that
[15:24:55] <pcw_home> currently they are RS-422 only (one device per RX/TX pair)
[15:25:03] <Tom_itx> ok
[15:25:42] <pcw_home> this is for a couple of reasons (mainly that it scales better)
[15:26:17] <pcw_home> (32 channels is not significantly slower than 2)
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[15:27:20] <Tom_itx> well at least the bit file seems to be working. the other functions remap the pins like the file indicates...
[15:27:42] <Tom_itx> i posted the before and after dmesg files
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[15:28:29] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/bitfiles/
[15:28:42] <pcw_home> I do think the pinout reporting is broken a bit (it really should list pins as sserial even if a remote is not found)
[15:28:58] <Tom_itx> it would be helpful
[15:29:18] <pcw_home> for debugging certainly
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[15:29:26] <Tom_itx> just shows IOPort right now
[15:29:28] <pcw_home> did you try mode 0?
[15:29:38] <Tom_itx> gettin ready to... multitasking here
[15:30:41] <pcw_home> what version of linuxcnc? (I think sserial is not very good until maybe 2.5.2)
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[15:32:35] <Tom_itx> 2.5.3
[15:32:59] <Tom_itx> still shows IOPort on IO4 & IO20 where the TX RX pins are
[15:33:17] <Tom_itx> in dmes
[15:33:18] <Tom_itx> g
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[15:44:50] <Tom_itx> i'm fairly sure the card is wired in right
[15:44:50] <Tom_itx> 7i71 RXA -> 7I47 TX0
[15:44:50] <Tom_itx> 7i71 RXB -> 7I47 /TX0
[15:44:50] <Tom_itx> 7i71 TXA -> 7I47 RX0
[15:44:50] <Tom_itx> 7i71 TXB -> 7I47 /RX0
[15:47:53] <Tom_itx> 7i71 has mode0 and mode1 -> ouputs + readback field voltage
[15:56:18] <pcw_home> Do you have a red LED (and no green) illuminated on the 7I71?
[15:59:57] <Tom_itx> the one by the power supply was replaced.. it's blue but illuminated as well as the red
[16:00:35] <pcw_home> Yeah we tested blue LEDS but found them too annoying
[16:00:48] <Tom_itx> me too, i tried some once
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[16:01:33] <Tom_itx> i've got field and vin wired together at 24v
[16:01:39] <pcw_home> We use them for the HV on the 8I20 since its meant to catch your attention (could be 400V)
[16:05:39] <pcw_home> what are your cat5 colors vs 7I47 pins?
[16:07:19] <pcw_home> and do you have the 5V cable power supplied to the 7I71
[16:07:20] <Tom_itx> just a sec
[16:07:34] <Tom_itx> 5v thru the cat5e yes
[16:07:40] <Tom_itx> double checked that
[16:08:58] <Tom_itx> blue blue/white are GND
[16:09:13] <Tom_itx> brown brown/white are +5v
[16:09:54] <Tom_itx> green is TXB, green/white is TXA
[16:10:22] <Tom_itx> orange is RXB, orange/white is RXA
[16:10:43] <Tom_itx> wires per previous post ^^
[16:12:31] <pcw_home> Yeah but Im pretty sure RXA is /RX and RXB is RX etc
[16:12:47] <Tom_itx> well i couldn't find that anywhere
[16:13:05] <Tom_itx> doesn't RXA need to go to TX?
[16:13:11] <Tom_itx> or is it RX to RX?
[16:13:36] <Tom_itx> i'm getting the physical pins for you
[16:14:00] <pcw_home> TX to RX and RX to TX
[16:14:39] <pcw_home> 7I71 manual shows physical pins on 7I71
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[16:15:28] <pcw_home> probably the polarity is swapped
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[16:16:00] <Tom_itx> blue blue/white are GND
[16:16:01] <Tom_itx> brown brown/white are +5v
[16:16:01] <Tom_itx> green/white is TXA -> 7i47 P4 Pin1 IO4
[16:16:01] <Tom_itx> green is TXB -> 7i47 P4 Pin2
[16:16:01] <Tom_itx> orange/white is RXA -> 7i47 P4 Pin19 IO20
[16:16:01] <Tom_itx> orange is RXB -> 7i47 P4 Pin20
[16:16:28] <Tom_itx> i can swap em and try again
[16:16:32] <Tom_itx> the A & B
[16:16:39] <Tom_itx> but not the TX RX pairs
[16:17:10] <Tom_itx> all that isn't that clear on this board arrangement
[16:17:19] <Tom_itx> which i understand is a bit odd
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[16:21:38] <Tom_itx> ok, swapped wires on pins 1 & 2 and on 19 & 20
[16:22:32] <Tom_itx> that was it
[16:22:42] <pcw_home> Ahh
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[16:23:19] <atom1> [ 5749.826557] hm2/hm2_7i43.0: IO Pin 004 (P4-09): Smart Serial Interface #0, pin RxData0 (Input)
[16:23:21] <atom1> [ 5749.826664] hm2/hm2_7i43.0: IO Pin 020 (P4-41): Smart Serial Interface #0, pin TxData0 (Output)
[16:23:22] <pcw_home> did you get a blinky green light (thats a good sign)
[16:23:45] <Tom_itx> no blinky lights yet
[16:24:18] <pcw_home> 7I71 should have a blinkly green light if the interface and threads started
[16:24:53] <atom1> i had closed lcnc, yes they're blinking with it loaded
[16:25:28] <Tom_itx> so RXA is - and RXB is +
[16:25:55] <Tom_itx> and apparently all the help you did on the bit file works too
[16:27:08] <Tom_itx> thanks
[16:27:40] <pcw_home> if you want the latest SSLBP you can just download any fpga zipfile and update your source
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[16:28:58] <Tom_itx> source on the board or in linuxcnc?
[16:29:27] <Tom_itx> the 7i43 is a bit older... ver 41 iirc
[16:30:06] <Tom_itx> now to figure out pin access...
[16:30:40] <pcw_home> SSLBP is the firmware (processor code) that runs in the FPGA but you will not see any
[16:30:41] <pcw_home> difference with code > 35
[16:30:43] <pcw_home> (last change was just patching a bug that only happens with bad remote firmware)
[16:30:44] <pcw_home> important for us so that we can debug bad firmware without SSLBP hanging
[16:31:12] <Tom_itx> you updated the card firmware you said
[16:31:14] <pcw_home> all FPGA firmware is the same (currently v 43)
[16:31:29] <Tom_itx> unless i have problems i'll probably leave it for now
[16:31:37] <Tom_itx> may be good to know how to do it though
[16:31:59] <Tom_itx> does hal configuration show the sserial pins?
[16:32:15] <pcw_home> EPP/SPI/PCI/Ethernet/USB everything at the Hostmot2 level and below is the same
[16:32:43] <pcw_home> It shows the remote I/O pins
[16:32:47] <Tom_itx> ahh yes there they are
[16:34:08] <Tom_itx> now, i can split the vfield and vin and keep vin at 24v and set vfield to 5v can't i?
[16:34:20] <Tom_itx> wanna put a couple leds on the outputs and test
[16:35:17] <Tom_itx> ^^ with W1
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[17:07:45] <pcw_home> Yes the latest firmware allows I think 4V minimum vfield
[17:08:17] <pcw_home> I think the 7I71 already has output LEDs
[17:10:05] <Tom_itx> the docs are a bit confusing on that. one place says 5v the other says 8v
[17:10:20] <Tom_itx> yeah it does have leds
[17:11:43] <Tom_itx> the section under power supply indicates 5-28v but the power connectors pinout shows field power 8-32v
[17:12:23] <Tom_itx> in the 7i71 pdf
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[17:28:40] <Jymmm> Eh, just split the difference =)
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[17:28:54] <pcw_home> Yes not everything has been updated to reflect the latest firmware changes
[17:29:30] <Jymmm> Um, how can firmware define voltage limits?
[17:32:07] <pcw_home> via operational limits
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[17:34:00] <pcw_home> I also need to update the specifications to show that output current is limited at 5V
[17:34:01] <pcw_home> (which is why we originally would not allow < 8V)
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[17:40:18] <Tom_itx> limited to what?
[17:40:26] <Tom_itx> 20ma or so?
[17:46:24] <pcw_home> 200 mA or so
[17:47:28] <pcw_home> nominal rating is 350 mA per output but also 1.4 A/driver chip
[17:48:41] <pcw_home> at 5V its more like 200 mA /output and 800 mA/driver chip
[17:48:52] <Tom_itx> plenty to drive xmas tree light relays
[17:50:08] <pcw_home> also you normally dont need clamp diodes
[17:50:21] <Tom_itx> i think i read that somewhere
[17:50:54] <pcw_home> (only if you cycle so fast the the inductive energy is significant)
[17:51:15] <Jymmm> ULN2803
[17:51:21] <Tom_itx> i'm not doing the lights.. just happened to think of that
[17:52:15] <pcw_home> we really like the NCV7608s
[17:53:15] <pcw_home> Overcurrent and overtemperature protection, 5 to 32V range (safe to about 40V)
[17:53:28] <Tom_itx> who makes those?
[17:53:43] <pcw_home> On-Semi
[17:53:58] <Tom_itx> i've used some of their stuff before
[17:54:17] <pcw_home> They have some newer push pull ones as well
[17:54:41] <Tom_itx> i used to be on their mail list.. not sure what happened
[17:55:08] <pcw_home> so you can have software programmable high-side/low-side or push-pull with the same driver
[17:55:21] <Tom_itx> nice
[17:55:27] <pcw_home> They are made for automotive use
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[17:57:23] <IchGuckLive> Hi all B)
[17:57:40] <pcw_home> other nice thing is the overcurrent and overtemp status are available from the SPI interface
[18:00:10] <IchGuckLive> i woudt like to thank pcw for his fabouless electronics all lasmas are right up and running as fast and good as they shoudt
[18:01:00] <pcw_home> Good to hear (sometimes all I seem to hear about are problems)
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[18:11:08] <Tom_itx> having never done any of this before, walking me thru modding the bit file and setting up the sserial was relatively easy with your assistance
[18:12:41] <Tom_itx> i did take notes... was able to rebuild the bit file again
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[18:17:06] <cpresser> did anyone in here do a retrofit on a colchester lathe. i am looking forward to get a 'tornado 300' and rebuild it
[18:18:12] <archivist> dont remember seeing one mentioned in here
[18:18:14] <cpresser> basically i a looking for hints, tips, tricks, possible problems, ...
[18:23:29] <archivist> I just grepped the logs on this box, your question is the only tornado hit
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[18:24:27] <archivist> so the next person will want to read your blog and progress :)
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[18:36:30] <cpresser> archivist: i dont have the machine yet. transportation is an issue :/
[18:37:00] <cpresser> but its quite cheap and in working condition (mechanically). the control broke down. perfect for a retrofit
[18:37:24] <Tom_itx> how big it it?
[18:37:53] <cpresser> 2.7x1.7x2meter, 3.5tons
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[18:39:07] <Tom_itx> yeah, not something you could put in your trunk
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[18:43:10] <IchGuckLive> cpresser: thats the size im dealing now for plasmas big sheet
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[19:05:34] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
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[20:08:05] <_DJ_> re
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[22:26:21] <_DJ_> gn8
[22:27:57] <kengu> evening
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[22:47:52] * Jymmm hears crickets....
[22:48:09] <Jymmm> (and see's dead peope)
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[22:59:53] <K0D3R> I'm trying to make a bootable usb stick with linuxcnc
[23:00:22] <K0D3R> I just used dd and copied the iso to the usb device but it doesn't works,
[23:00:45] <K0D3R> anyone tried this?
[23:02:33] <CaptHindsight> http://askubuntu.com/questions/116942/any-way-to-manually-make-a-bootable-usb-from-iso
[23:03:05] <kengu> i have tried. sometimes it did work and .. but.. yeah. I usually just use netboot nowadays
[23:04:00] <K0D3R> CaptHindsight, that's what I tried
[23:04:33] <K0D3R> usually it works
[23:05:11] <CaptHindsight> you must have done something different or have a different format on the usb stick
[23:05:52] <cpresser> K0D3R: custom ubuntu-variants usually dont work for usb-boot.
[23:06:01] <CaptHindsight> unless you have a goofy BIOS issue that play now you see it now you don't with drives
[23:06:22] <cpresser> K0D3R: if you convert them (eg with unetbootin), you get a messed up boot prompt which only offers the regular install
[23:06:28] <somenewguy> can you boot that machine from a usb stick normally?
[23:06:33] <somenewguy> cause that is often a nightmare for me
[23:07:28] <andypugh> K0D3R: Just use the boot disk creator in Ubuntu
[23:08:33] <Tom_itx> unetbootin
[23:10:00] <K0D3R> It's an old machine but it can boot from usb, I have done this before many times
[23:10:33] <andypugh> Why use unetbootin when Ubuntu has a built-in utility (that has always worked for me)
[23:14:02] <K0D3R> as I don't use ubuntu I will try unetbootin, thanks
[23:14:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.datamation.com/open-source/the-burning-bridges-of-ubuntu.html
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[23:28:10] <K0D3R> unetbootin worked... though it printed hundreds of error messages...
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[23:34:04] <andypugh> working generally doesn't print hundreds of error messages
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