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[00:11:47] <eric_unterhause1> amd says, "kernel source no longer required if kernel headers are present"
[00:12:03] <eric_unterhause1> then when installing, it says "not built because kernel source not available"
[00:12:13] <eric_unterhause1> confidence inspiring
[00:15:44] <eric_unterhause1> anyone know how to install vesa drivers in ubuntu 12.04? Google fails me
[00:16:40] <eric_unterhause1> all the hits are how to fix other drivers
[00:18:46] <jdh> have you considered not installing vesa drivers and fixing other drivers instead?
[00:19:03] <eric_unterhause1> well, I'm trying to track down a latency problem
[00:19:24] <eric_unterhause1> it appears to me that it's video driver related because I can exercise it with firefox
[00:19:48] <eric_unterhause1> my test shows no latency spikes if I use firefox from a remote machine
[00:20:13] <eric_unterhause1> I have never seen a suggestion that would lead me to believe I can fix the other drivers
[00:20:21] <jdh> how is it if you don't use firefox at all?
[00:20:49] <eric_unterhause1> I assume it will eventually blow up on some graphics task
[00:22:12] <Tom_itx> http://askubuntu.com/questions/145821/how-do-i-force-x-to-use-the-vesa-driver
[00:22:17] <Tom_itx> dunno if that will help or not
[00:22:30] <eric_unterhause1> thanks
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[00:44:48] <eric_unterhause1> maybe I shouldn't run firefox
[00:52:02] <eric_unterhause1> I find it a little scary that firefox would set off latency spikes, but I can run as many glxgears instances as I want and still only gets up to about 8uS
[00:52:47] <eric_unterhause1> with firefox, opening a couple of tabs blows it all the way to 1 mS
[00:55:37] <micges> bare firefox? no flash pages?
[00:55:56] <eric_unterhause1> I think I can do it just loading the linuxcnc wiki pages
[00:56:07] <eric_unterhause1> although I usually load gmail, which I think uses flash
[00:56:29] <micges> maybe ff uses gpu?
[00:57:30] <eric_unterhause1> I'll go try just loading wiki pages
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[01:10:07] <eric_unterhause1> oh, well, something knocked it up to .9 mS before I got there
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[01:26:08] <pcw_home> micges: solved the latency issue (4 mS occasionally) with my home desktop and hm2-ether/Preemt_RT by adding a RTK8139 Ethernet card
[01:26:27] <micges> oh
[01:27:05] <pcw_home> I will run cheerfully at 2 KHz if i dont run flash videos :-)
[01:27:08] <micges> old hardware and simple drivers it seems
[01:27:43] <micges> that's very good
[01:27:46] <Tom_itx> pcw_home what ver xilinx you running?
[01:28:02] <Tom_itx> i just loaded 14.7 but tried to upgrade with no luck
[01:28:14] <Tom_itx> wound up doing the full install again
[01:28:22] <micges> pcw_home: I've added full 3x20 full support to mf, but still fighting with windows port
[01:28:39] <pcw_home> I run 9.2 for spartan 2 and 13.1 or 14.3 otherwise
[01:28:41] <micges> (full support means FPGA and FLASH r/w)
[01:29:34] <eric_unterhause1> running liveCD version 10.04 and haven't been able to get it to spike
[01:29:40] <eric_unterhause1> no flash installed though
[01:29:45] <pcw_home> Thats good (fighting with windows is expected :-( )
[01:29:46] <Tom_itx> yeah i still have the 9.2 install as well
[01:29:57] <eric_unterhause1> I did manage to crash firefox though
[01:30:17] <eric_unterhause1> maybe I'll just install 10.04 and get on with it
[01:31:39] <pcw_home> I had really good luck with some random MB at work and Preemt_RT (latency test max of 14 usec)
[01:32:06] <eric_unterhause1> running which os?
[01:32:23] <pcw_home> Ubuntu 12.04
[01:32:28] <eric_unterhause1> huh
[01:32:38] <eric_unterhause1> I am really suspecting video drivers
[01:32:57] <eric_unterhause1> I seem to be able to do anything from a remote computer
[01:33:16] <pcw_home> On may home machine here its obvious that video limits the Ethernet latency
[01:33:29] <pcw_home> s/may/my/
[01:34:29] <pcw_home> try the latency histogram and open a window :-)
[01:35:01] <pcw_home> or halscope the latency while doing various things
[01:35:40] <eric_unterhause1> I can get a huge spike by opening a few firefox tabs on the machine, that doesn't happen on remote
[01:35:45] <micges> pcw_home: what is your onboard mac?
[01:36:01] <pcw_home> I think Atheros
[01:36:40] <pcw_home> let me run lspci
[01:36:59] <pcw_home> Qualcomm Atheros AR8151 v1.0 Gigabit Ethernet
[01:37:17] <micges> thanks
[01:38:34] <pcw_home> also at least on this hardware, the 3.10.xxx Preemt_RT kernel seems unstable, but the 3.12 seems OK
[01:38:52] <eric_unterhause1> did you try xenomai?
[01:39:45] <eric_unterhause1> maybe I'll try the preempt_RT next after I test the vesa driver fix
[01:39:56] <eric_unterhause1> in 10.04, the ati drivers don't cause problems
[01:40:10] <pcw_home> They have been improved
[01:40:10] <eric_unterhause1> open-source ati drivers, that is
[01:41:28] <pcw_home> I might like to try the VESA fix but the instructions give me a headache
[01:43:36] <eric_unterhause1> yeah, it's rediculous
[01:44:14] <eric_unterhause1> I was thinking about switching my wife to ubuntu, but not any more
[01:45:44] <pcw_home> Yeah they've got their clever little fingers into everything
[01:45:45] <pcw_home> But I'm happy that I can make the Ethernet stuff work on a random PC on Ubuntu at 1 KHz
[01:46:12] <eric_unterhause1> that's pretty good
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[01:50:37] <pcw_home> now if the Preemt_RT kernel would support the RTK8168 (the stock Ubuntu one does) things would be hunky-dory
[01:50:38] <eric_unterhause1> I think there is something about the newer kernels that screws things up
[01:51:16] <pcw_home> Yes "progress"
[01:51:50] <eric_unterhause1> there are a couple of ubuntu fanbois on the ubuntu forum that talk about how great it is that linux keeps changing
[01:52:02] <eric_unterhause1> kind of wish it would get better instead
[01:52:21] <jdh> I thought this was the year of linux on teh desktop
[01:52:23] <eric_unterhause1> maybe I need to start a movement
[01:53:01] <eric_unterhause1> let's make it the year of fixing linux
[01:58:15] <pcw_home> This machine has 62 usec or so of latency with Preemt_RT
[01:58:51] <pcw_home> (playing flash videos on firefox glxgears etc)
[01:59:38] <pcw_home> (Core Duo 2180, intel graphics)
[01:59:53] <eric_unterhause1> since I'm not developing anything on my machine, maybe I should just run the old version of linuxcnc
[02:00:46] <pcw_home> maybe try Preemt_RT
[02:01:06] <eric_unterhause1> I suppose, but 6uS latency is hard to ignore
[02:01:32] <eric_unterhause1> well, looks like I managed to hose X ;)
[02:03:20] <pcw_home> 6 usec on the latency test is often quite optimistic (Some of the Atom MBs show this but if you measure the latency
[02:03:21] <pcw_home> with hardware its more like 50)
[02:03:33] <eric_unterhause1> how do you do that?
[02:03:55] <eric_unterhause1> you mean logic analyzer?
[02:04:06] <pcw_home> toggle a I/O bit and watch on a a scope
[02:04:59] <eric_unterhause1> makes sense that i/o latency is more, pc mobo manufacturers don't care about it
[02:05:32] <pcw_home> physical I/O may be blocked by hardware (but latency test does no I/O)
[02:07:07] <eric_unterhause1> I long for the day when the kernel boot was controlled by grub.conf and the video driver was controlled by xorg.conf
[02:07:18] <eric_unterhause1> what was so horrible about that?
[02:09:45] <pcw_home> Ubuntu strives to be like windows and develop that windows talent for breaking itself
[02:10:00] <eric_unterhause1> it's ok as long as things are working
[02:10:08] <eric_unterhause1> infuriating if things don't work
[02:10:09] <jdh> lilo.conf
[02:10:18] <eric_unterhause1> jdh, that's my joke
[02:10:50] <eric_unterhause1> I think the grub devels did a bait and switch
[02:11:10] <eric_unterhause1> and grub2 is just lilo, which grub killed because it was so much easier
[02:11:41] <cradek> eric_unterhause1: all you have to do is use debian instead of ubuntu and all that bullshit is gone
[02:12:05] <eric_unterhause1> I guess I will have to do that
[02:12:08] <cradek> it boots in text mode. then later, x starts
[02:12:36] <cradek> it's such a relief to have a usable console again
[02:13:12] <cradek> I have been unable to remove all the console-hiding bs from my latest ubuntu install
[02:13:18] <eric_unterhause1> you can get a console on ubuntu, the old fashioned way
[02:13:32] <eric_unterhause1> ctl-alt-f1
[02:13:43] <cradek> sure if all your early video driver crap works
[02:13:53] <cradek> but the boot messages and shutdown messages are still hidden
[02:14:07] <cradek> and grub is hidden (but at least that's easy to fix)
[02:14:17] <eric_unterhause1> ya, that's too much info for my delicate mind :)
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[02:14:58] <eric_unterhause1> I'm not convinced that switching distros will fix my problem, seems drastic
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[02:20:27] <eric_unterhause1> my local mirror has hidden debian isos
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[02:27:41] <eric_unterhause1> hopefully comcast doesn't discover I'm torrenting a file, the horror
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[02:33:29] <skunkworks> I had a hard time getting xenomai to run decently on my hardware.. (mostly amd) I think it ended up being the audio card had to be disabled. Idle=poll also make the latency stay low. I don't remember if disabling lagacy usb helped or not. Used the xenomai trouble shooting docs
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[02:37:48] <eric_unterhause1> skunkworks: no audio, idle=poll
[02:38:08] <eric_unterhause1> legacy usb is only active in bios setup
[02:40:06] <eric_unterhause1> only thing I can think of is the video
[02:40:20] <eric_unterhause1> at least, that's the only thing I can think of that I can change
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[02:47:48] <tjtr33> has Unified Build been tried on a Cubieboard?
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[02:50:35] <eric_unterhause1> I have seen no mentions of the cubieboard
[02:52:09] <eric_unterhause1> bittorrent is really good at slowing down the network
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[03:31:37] <eric_unterhause1> ha, so I finally managed to load the vesa drivers and latency is 15 uS on both rtai and xenomai
[03:31:57] <eric_unterhause1> not sure why the machine hangs on reboot though
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[03:34:46] <eric_unterhause1> actually, I remember managing to spike the latency to 15uSec on livecd
[03:50:07] <eric_unterhause1> anyone know why git keeps telling me Michael Haberler's github repository isn't a git repository?
[03:50:37] <skunkworks> what command are you using?
[03:50:51] <eric_unterhause1> git remote add github-mah
https://github.com/mhaberler/linuxcnc.git
[03:51:45] <eric_unterhause1> if you follow that link, it has a little box that gives you that same link as the git clone address
[03:52:57] <eric_unterhause1> I think there may be a step I'm missing
[03:53:20] <skunkworks> are you in your linuxcnc rip directory?
[03:53:37] <eric_unterhause1> I am in a directory I just made
[03:53:45] <skunkworks> is it empty?
[03:53:50] <eric_unterhause1> no
[03:54:04] <eric_unterhause1> it has to be empty?
[03:54:09] <skunkworks> heh - no
[03:54:13] <skunkworks> what is in it?
[03:54:21] <eric_unterhause1> some mesa stuff
[03:54:40] <skunkworks> it needs to have a linuxcnc source
[03:54:58] <eric_unterhause1> that's what I'm trying to get from the git repository
[03:55:04] <skunkworks> then you use
[03:55:06] <skunkworks> git clone --branch unified-build-candidate-3 --origin github-mah
https://github.com/mhaberler/linuxcnc.git [<directory>]
[03:55:30] <eric_unterhause1> ic
[03:56:06] <skunkworks> http://static.mah.priv.at/public/html/common/UnifiedBuild.html#_configuring_and_building_the_basic_procedure
[03:56:28] <eric_unterhause1> okey, misread
[03:59:06] <eric_unterhause1> wish I could remember the command for missing deps
[04:05:22] <eric_unterhause1> now I know why I keep thinking I've done this recently, I installed it on a 64 bit system and then decided to wipe it
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[04:10:41] <eric_unterhause1> txlive install taking forever
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[04:29:17] <eric_unterhause1> pcw, I managed to get the vesa drivers installed and my latency spikes went away
[04:31:29] <eric_unterhause1> you have to blacklist the current driver and make sure that vesa_fb is not blacklisted in the /etc/modprobe/blacklist-framebuffer file
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[05:04:11] <tjtr33> eric_unterhause1, help me understand what you did... linuxcnc on 12.04 with xenomai with 6uS latency, but what hardware? and is it UBC3?
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[06:48:01] <somenewguy> grrr, sim won't work on my laptop....
[06:48:11] <somenewguy> and I'm in the middle of re-everythinging my pc
[06:49:19] <somenewguy> any clue what to do when running in terminal, and once I pick a config, both the linuxccnc window closes as well as the terminal, too fast for me to read any errors?
[06:49:44] <somenewguy> 2.6.0 pre pulled from git
[06:49:56] <Jymmm> start emc from a shell instead of gui
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[06:53:53] <somenewguy> hmmm
[06:53:59] <somenewguy> i have no clue what you mean
[06:54:21] <somenewguy> i tried launching it by switching to a new terminal" if that is the right word
[06:54:28] <somenewguy> alt-shift f2
[06:54:40] <somenewguy> i can never remember what the proper term is
[06:55:08] <somenewguy> navigated to the directory and tried to launch linuxcnc and it told me i had no display set, so i think I misunderstood what you wanted me to do
[06:55:45] <somenewguy> on an ironic note, the reason im trying to usethe laptop and the pc is no longer functional is because I am finally abnadoning ubuntu completly and going to arch to force myself to get better w/ linux...
[06:56:08] <somenewguy> somehow i have a million inststnaces of grub on every partition or something from old installs etc, I decided to take a break and play w/ EMC
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[07:01:15] <somenewguy> "can't find package Img"
[07:03:00] <somenewguy> BOOM got it
[07:03:13] <somenewguy> needed to install libtk-img
[07:03:25] <somenewguy> wonder how that got missed
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[07:58:21] <Deejay> moin
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[08:23:54] <Loetmichel> mornin#
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[09:53:42] <somenewguy> wno
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[09:55:05] <archivist> own
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[10:16:56] <eric_unterhause1> huh
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[12:37:25] <skunkworks> http://imagebin.org/284455
[12:37:49] <skunkworks> http://imagebin.org/284454
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[12:58:04] <eric_unterhause1> skunkworks: that's cool, what is it?
[12:59:20] <eric_unterhause1> I got the vesa drivers running, but now opengl is hosed
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[13:00:39] <skunkworks> No clue.. (something I found on the internet...) just showing the speed difference between the current TP and the new TP
[13:01:29] <eric_unterhause1> pretty good speedup
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[13:02:46] <skunkworks> Yes - for sort line segments or tangent arc-arc, arc line
[13:03:02] <skunkworks> eric_unterhause1, eww
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[13:04:49] <eric_unterhause1> and of course I can't just install the software gl lib
[13:06:17] <eric_unterhause1> crap, that just uninstalled linux
[13:07:16] <eric_unterhause1> said it was just going to remove 28mb
[13:07:24] <eric_unterhause1> literally removing everything on my system
[13:08:36] <eric_unterhause1> you'd think they could provide some information that would indicate that was going to happen
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[13:12:19] <eric_unterhause1> I guess I'm going to go back to 10.04
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[13:14:32] <Tom_itx> heh
[13:14:52] <Tom_itx> bleeding edge too painful?
[13:15:07] <eric_unterhause1> ubuntu is broken, and I wasted too much time
[13:15:41] <eric_unterhause1> hopefully whatever causes regular ubuntu to lock up my system is not present in the livecd kernel
[13:16:08] <archivist> I had a breakage on 10.04 the other day which may be hardware or ubuntu
[13:16:35] <eric_unterhause1> 12.04 has been great on my desktop, which is identical to my linuxcnc machine
[13:16:36] <archivist> also seemed a gl/video problem
[13:17:00] <eric_unterhause1> 10.04 would cause daily lockups
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[14:33:44] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/284494 I wonder what the repeatability of the printheads mounted on this setup is? Belt drive with self centering bearing
[14:35:01] <archivist> as good as the bearing and ball screw summed
[14:35:48] <CaptHindsight> so easily +/- 5um :)
[14:36:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1464155083/top_selling_a2_uv_flatbed_printer.html desktop to flatbed conversion
[14:37:34] <archivist> 5um....how would it be that good :)
[14:38:14] <CaptHindsight> I'm sure they are happy if it gets 100um
[14:39:07] <archivist> I bet thee have adjustment for left right alignment as even cheap printers have
[14:40:13] <CaptHindsight> it's an $800 inkjet on a gantry
[14:41:31] <CaptHindsight> Epson won't share the printhead specs so they just used the whole printer and replaced the feed rollers with the gantry
[14:41:45] <eric_unterhause1> nice
[14:41:57] <eric_unterhause1> what would you print with that?
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[14:42:05] <archivist> bigger paper
[14:42:40] <CaptHindsight> it's a UV ink flatbed now
[14:43:16] <skunkworks> our flatbed printers have linear motors and encoders
[14:43:24] <CaptHindsight> so you can print on rigid materials and the ink does not come off with solvent or water
[14:43:50] <skunkworks> (gandi (sp))
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[14:44:19] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: yes, they refer to properly made printers as "overbuilt"
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[14:47:36] <eric_unterhause1> after suffering with air bearings and oil hydrostatic bearings, I am not a fan
[14:48:12] <CaptHindsight> you could also print solder mask, conductive traces and silk screen legend.... but that supplied doesn't realize that, or it would sell for 5-10x more
[14:48:13] <eric_unterhause1> reminds me that I have to replace the bearing tracks on a couple of linear motors
[14:48:22] <eric_unterhause1> turns out they "rust"
[14:48:49] <CaptHindsight> what brand?
[14:48:50] <eric_unterhause1> sorry, magnet tracks
[14:49:12] <CaptHindsight> I use linear motors all the time
[14:49:16] <archivist> 1200 grit wet/dry paper to remove rust
[14:49:28] <eric_unterhause1> the coating comes off and they keep rusting
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[14:50:24] <CaptHindsight> eric_unterhause1: memleak is back if you want to debug your RTAI kernel/graphics issue
[14:51:05] <eric_unterhause1> thanks, but I can't waste any more time on that, going to wait
[14:51:46] <CaptHindsight> probably ubuntu funkiness with the drivers again
[14:51:57] <eric_unterhause1> vesa got rid of the latency, so it was the drivers, but then I couldn't get the opengl to work
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[14:52:11] <CaptHindsight> he can walk you though it
[14:52:32] <eric_unterhause1> system is hosed, I dont have the heart to mess with it
[14:52:42] <CaptHindsight> ubunutu probably broke something trying to obfuscate their way of doing it
[14:53:42] <eric_unterhause1> I thought about going with debian, but I'm done learning for a while
[14:54:06] <eric_unterhause1> I have too much real work to do to explore this particular morass any more
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[15:17:09] <Jymmm> jthornton: JT-Shop
http://ThePerfectBacon.com/
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[15:32:37] <tjtr33> eric_unterhause1, what hardware|ubuntu|linuxcnc branch|rtos did you have success with?
[15:32:37] <tjtr33> I read in irc that you got 6uS latency on _some_ branch with _some_ hdwr.
[15:33:20] <eric_unterhause1> the livecd gives me about 6uS
[15:34:14] <eric_unterhause1> I got about 15uS with the new rtai kernel on ubuntu 12.04, but it all fell apart when I had to install software opengl and hosed the system
[15:34:41] <eric_unterhause1> I assume the actual latency is on the order of 15uS with the livecd
[15:35:16] <tjtr33> thx , so rtai|ubu10.04|linunxcnc|..., and let me ask what hardware?
[15:35:31] <eric_unterhause1> it's an older dual core athlon
[15:36:05] <tjtr33> hey thx very much.
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[15:54:22] <eric_unterhause1> livecd was a breath of fresh air after trying to fix all those problems
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[16:27:39] <sivu> gantry fits and rolls smoothly on the rails
[16:27:39] <sivu> yey
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[16:35:12] <R2E4> Is there a way to ghet to 2.5.1 from 2.5 live cd?
[16:35:47] <eric_unterhause1> build?
[16:37:00] <R2E4> In the forums it says follow the instructions below and there is none below....:-)
[16:37:25] <eric_unterhause1> what improvements do you want?
[16:37:56] <R2E4> The changes for the 5i25 and 7i77 mesa boards
[16:38:01] <micges> R2E4: yes, you must force version in package manager
[16:39:20] <micges> and in 2.5.1 was added support only for 6i25 pcie board
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[16:39:30] <R2E4> Would you happen to have the repository handy?
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[16:39:38] <micges> 5i25 support is in 2.5.0
[16:40:32] <R2E4> Yes, I have the 5i25 installed and pncconf deteced it but i thought there was more.
[16:41:10] <R2E4> If I dont ned to thats great.......
[16:41:50] <R2E4> I'm going through the process of learning linuxcnc and how it works.
[16:41:59] <R2E4> Slow and daunting...
[16:43:34] <eric_unterhause1> it's a lot of work, no doubt
[16:43:48] <eric_unterhause1> of course, building a machine is always a lot of work
[16:44:02] <R2E4> The machine is built
[16:44:19] <R2E4> and the controller is dead.
[16:44:34] <eric_unterhause1> it got un-built when the controller died
[16:44:47] <R2E4> haha.... yeah
[16:45:04] <eric_unterhause1> you said it cost too much to replace the original?
[16:45:42] <R2E4> yes, the parts are not available, the company was sold andetc....
[16:46:11] <R2E4> I bought it with a dead controller
[16:49:31] <MrSunshine> china spindle, air vs water cooled .. noise level ? =)
[16:50:53] <sivu> water cooled
[16:51:33] <sivu> can run slower speeds, more silent
[16:53:51] <MrSunshine> mm but requires water and a cooling system for that =)
[17:00:02] <sivu> that's not hard
[17:02:53] <syyl_ws> but a lot of extra stuff
[17:03:07] <syyl_ws> would never run a watercooled spindle in my homeshop
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[17:04:04] <syyl_ws> that one at work is enough hassle for me
[17:04:59] <MrSunshine> one positive thing with water cooled is for the dust collection, easier to design dust collection stuff for it :P
[17:06:25] <syyl_ws> friend of mine has a 600w chinese air cooled spindle mounted on his maho700
[17:06:38] <syyl_ws> its really not very loud
[17:06:48] <syyl_ws> even at full rpm
[17:07:07] <MrSunshine> nah i guess the noise from a router for example is the brushes more and stuff more then the fan =)
[17:07:17] <syyl_ws> for my feeling the cooling fan in the electrical cabinet is way louder
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[17:25:16] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[17:45:49] <IchGuckLive> so last day of the year has started fore many of the community
[17:46:16] <IchGuckLive> what will the 2014 bring Xenomai with 2.6 on the install cd
[17:46:41] <IchGuckLive> a free slicer inside that loads stl files
[17:47:10] <IchGuckLive> making them water tide by mashlab routine
[17:47:55] <IchGuckLive> or solidifyed material thickness by blender routine
[17:48:10] <IchGuckLive> best wishes for the NEW year
[17:48:43] <IchGuckLive> still 1 1/4 day to go in 2013 here in germany
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[18:15:50] <tjtr33> IchGuckLive, Happy New Year, & thanks for all the tutorial videos
[18:19:14] <IchGuckLive> NP
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[18:58:49] <tjtr33> hackerspace Pumpingstation One has tutor on BeagleBone using BaconCape and a ~javascript language called Bonescript.
[18:59:00] <tjtr33> The interesting part ( to me ) was the web page interaction displaying values and reading inputs like BitlashCommander does.
[18:59:03] <tjtr33> This maybe of interest to Hal users with BeagleBoards
http://pumpingstationone.org/ https://github.com/billroy/bitlash-commander
[19:05:01] <tjtr33> http://code.google.com/p/xc2c256-cpld-cape-for-the-beaglebone/
[19:05:11] <tjtr33> ^^^ kinda small
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[19:05:59] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
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[19:13:58] <somenewguy> does anyone know how/where the color coding in gedit comes from?
[19:14:03] <somenewguy> I wanna port it over to sublime text
[19:14:20] <somenewguy> assumeing sublime doesn't try ot hide any non-printing chars that would ruin gcode, and I don't think it does
[19:14:32] <somenewguy> otherwise I am about 10% done writing my own syntax for sublime
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[20:08:46] <JT-Shop> it's hmm let me look
[20:10:49] <Tom_itx> afternoon peeps
[20:12:02] <JT-Shop> peep peep
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[20:18:18] <jthornton> somenewguy,
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Highlighting_In_Gedit
[20:19:31] <somenewguy> thanks, I was pointed towards that from someone from electronics and am now porting it over to sublime
[20:19:41] <somenewguy> also ngcgui is the beesknees
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[20:22:53] <jthornton> beesknees?
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[20:24:40] <somenewguy> cats pajamas?
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[20:32:14] <cradek> the expression "bee's knees" I can understand, but I don't understand why cats would wear pajamas and why that would be a good thing.
[20:34:35] <somenewguy> not good for the cat
[20:34:39] <somenewguy> fun for the rest of us
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[20:34:45] <somenewguy> although CISCIS isno laughing mattter
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[20:50:48] <heathmanc> anyone here using a single board computer with linuxcnc?
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[20:52:15] <heathmanc> or any pc/104 cards
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[21:00:37] <CaptHindsight> heathmanc: BeagleBoneBlacks (ARM) and some mini-itx x86 are pretty common now
[21:01:17] <heathmanc> not for this, i have a mesa 4i69 pc 104 plus card
[21:01:32] <heathmanc> looking more towards industrial
[21:01:59] <heathmanc> have to have the pc104 plus interface
[21:04:19] <CaptHindsight> there are still a few vendors of x86 pc104 cards
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[21:11:06] <heathmanc> i have found a bunch, just interested if anybody has a specific recommendation
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[21:11:38] <heathmanc> the 4i69 mesa card only has the pci 104 connector, but is listed as pc 104
[21:12:00] <heathmanc> so I am snooping around to see if i can solely run that on a pci-104 single board computer
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[21:16:35] <somenewguy> hmmm, is there a more concise way than a single line subroutine to set a variable in a piece of gcode?
[21:16:54] <somenewguy> like if a<b, c=b else c=d
[21:17:31] <somenewguy> subroutines just aren't super readable to me when I am debuggging/editing code so if I don't need 100 of em, I'd liketo avoid it
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[21:57:55] <Tom_itx> i have a bunch of pc104 mb but i bet they're too slow for lcnc
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[22:02:02] <heathmanc> that's the problem.. i have found several that i want, intel atoms
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[22:02:21] <heathmanc> just waiting word back from mesa about pci-104 vs pc-104 plus and their cards
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[22:03:54] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/SBC/sbc_main1.jpg
[22:04:02] <Tom_itx> i have half dozen of those
[22:04:05] <Tom_itx> 600mhz iirc
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[22:06:49] <Tom_itx> err maybe 400... can't remember now
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[22:07:54] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/SBC/PDF/PCM-9372%20Datasheet%20Ed1.pdf
[22:07:57] <Tom_itx> short sheet for it
[22:08:31] <heathmanc> but it isn't pc-104 plus
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[22:08:39] <heathmanc> would be another connector with it
[22:08:52] <Tom_itx> no probably not
[22:08:58] <Tom_itx> they're old
[22:09:36] <heathmanc> the plus spec came out in like 2002 or 3, the isa portion is a dying breed
[22:10:05] <heathmanc> what are you running with those?
[22:10:44] <Loetmichel> i've monuted an p4-3ghz SBCin the base of the CNC from a friend...
[22:10:51] <Loetmichel> fits. bareley.
[22:11:06] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13149
[22:11:14] <Loetmichel> (lower comparment)
[22:11:44] <Loetmichel> front sight:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13116
[22:11:47] <heathmanc> it is crammed in there
[22:12:00] <Loetmichel> back sight:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13143
[22:12:05] <Loetmichel> overall:
[22:12:19] <heathmanc> the sbc's i am looking at are following the pc-104 form factor, much smaller
[22:12:27] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11648
[22:12:31] <heathmanc> card stack on top, no edge connector
[22:13:01] <heathmanc> that's a fairly compact machine
[22:13:13] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13131
[22:13:20] <Loetmichel> it is
[22:13:39] <Loetmichel> and the sides will be changed from wood to 14mm aluminium plates
[22:13:57] <Loetmichel> once the machien is completed and can mill new sideplates ;-)
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[22:18:48] <Loetmichel> i am making that for a co-worker... out of scrap that has ben laying around ;-)
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