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[00:06:15] <trolleway> Слава интернетам! Нашёл выпуск телешоу "Перехват" 1997 года, который снимался в квартале многоэтажек, который я замаппил!
[00:06:43] <Mixai[l|ll|lll> http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2013/02/16/state-of-the-map-2013-birmingham/
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[00:16:11] <Mezonin> какой паттерн заюзать, чтобы вычитать только некоторую(совсем маленькую) информацию с некоторого формата файла
[00:16:14] <Mezonin> фасад?
[00:21:29] <nordmike> Кто имеет опыт в написании требований организациям?
http://map.kolenergo.ru/ — не поставили ссылку на OSM. Сейчас это карта Гугла :)
[00:22:12] <psha> Mezonin: заюзать паттерн вычитывания некоторой информации
[00:22:19] <psha> нучозахрень спрашиваешь,а?
[00:23:51] <Mezonin> psha: прости, больше не буду
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[00:25:07] <Mixai[l|ll|lll> OS Map, круто сократили.
[00:26:33] <psha> Mezonin: напридумывали тут умных слов, паттерны, антипаттерны...
[00:27:01] <psha> я вот даже специально в гуголь залез, прочитал что это за хрень
[00:27:09] <psha> вот даже не знаю что сказать
[00:27:24] <Mezonin> мне надо гармин img открыть и вычитать немного информации оттуда, вот я не могу придумать, как оформить класс, чтобы не спагетти-код
[00:27:29] <psha> ибо независимо от ответа - да или нет - это тебе ровно ничем не поможет )
[00:28:18] <psha> зависит от того, собираешься ли ты его где-то еще использовать
[00:28:25] <psha> собираешься ли ты какие-то другие данные вычитывать
[00:28:28] <psha> и прочая-прочая
[00:28:38] <Mezonin> фасад подойдет
[00:29:07] <psha> да!
[00:29:09] <psha> подойдет )
[00:29:15] <psha> но и не фасад тоже подойдет )
[00:29:23] <psha> да и что бы ты не сделал - это можно назвать фасадом
[00:29:38] * psha не понимает нахрена эти паттерны нужны
[00:29:56] <Mezonin> в плюсах с ними весело
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[00:31:04] <psha> с другой стороны наверно паттерны это годно
[00:31:18] <psha> не просто говоришь "фу, ну и говнокод"
[00:31:34] <psha> а с умным видом "вот тут не используется паттерн фазад, а тут явный антипаттерн говнокод"
[00:31:45] <psha> и тебе сразу говорят "вау"
[00:31:51] <psha> и смотрят как на умного
[00:31:57] <Mezonin> psha: вот простая строчка создает карту. Красиво. Локанично. Визитор.
[00:32:00] <Mezonin> http://s45.radikal.ru/i110/1302/73/b187fd312b2d.jpg
[00:32:30] <Mezonin> множественная диспетчерезация в с++, это всегда красиво :D
[00:32:45] <Mixai[l|ll|lll> radikal.ru <--- нет пути
[00:33:08] <psha> визитор, пилять - это обычный map
[00:33:46] <psha> или fold, в зависимости от того что хочется получить
[00:34:42] <Mezonin> нет, это не мап)
[00:34:51] <psha> да ну, а что же это?
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[00:35:45] <Mezonin> это совсем не мап (с)
[00:35:57] <psha> ммм, давай уточним - что такое map?
[00:36:05] <psha> подсказка, это не std::map :)
[00:37:43] <psha> map :: (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b]
[00:37:46] <psha> я вот этот имел ввиду
[00:38:17] <psha> ну и аналогично fold :: (a -> b -> c) -> a -> [b] -> c
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[01:00:26] <mamyashev> zc
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[01:01:16] <andrewsh> хаскеллисты
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[01:08:41] <psha> andrewsh: нуачо, зато можно нормально жить без всяких этих паттернов - там и так всё понятно
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[02:15:08] <andrewsh> http://bbbike.sourceforge.net/images/bbbike-screenshot-macosx-hamburg.png
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[11:10:11] <Maks> http://icon.s.photosight.ru/img/b/af1/4944920_large.jpg
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[17:07:43] <Zverik> на штосм зашёл кто-то из москвы с ie8 под windows vista
[17:14:05] <Mixai[l|ll|lll> хипстер
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[17:26:25] <Mezonin> Zverik: много штосм уже читают?
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[17:39:48] <Mixai[l|ll|lll> Mezonin:
[17:39:48] <Mixai[l|ll|lll> 1100 уникальных в неделю
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[17:42:46] <Mezonin> самый популярный блог)
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[19:56:33] <andrewsh> Zverik: Stephen Morefat.
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[21:54:02] <Zverik> наконец-то псковичи вышли на свет
[21:54:32] <andrewsh> Псковичи? Где это?
[22:01:33] <shurik> это reg60 которые?
[22:04:38] <shurik> ага вижу уже
[22:07:16] <SergeyA> В Пскове ещё пошли более-менее нормальным путём - рисовать в OSM. У нас сейчас похожая проблема в Сочи. У местных есть типа своя карта, но в местной системе координат. Качество то ещё + точные параметры конвертации засекречены.
[22:07:16] <SergeyA> Зато там есть новые дороги и здания, которых нет в OSM. Для мониторинга транспорта нужна нормальная карта, система уже умеет работать с данными OSM, и возникает дилемма - или мучаться с конвертацией или пытаться актуализировать всё в OSM.
[22:07:16] <SergeyA> Я предлагал начальству занаяться актуализацией OSM, но оно слишком боится отвественности и не хочет подобные решения принимать.
[22:11:19] <Zverik> SergeyA: в Сочи есть пара активных людей, достаточно выдать актуальную карту, без разницы, что там с СК
[22:11:30] <Zverik> да и сообщество в целом ради Олимпиады набросится
[22:12:12] <Zverik> потому что понятно, что людям потребуется карта, и мне стыдно от мысли, что родится у местных картографов для них
[22:13:41] <Zverik> а если попутно сделать OSM официальной картой Сочи, то это офигеть как круто (но, конечно, мечты)
[22:19:39] <Zverik> омг, ещё один из Дна Псковской области -- возможно, из той же компании:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=313753#p313753
[22:21:12] <SergeyA> Zverik: Сообществу для отрисовки нужны исходные данные. Надо либо свежий спутниковый снимок спонсировать, либо пытаться уговорить поделиться местных товарищей, которые настаивают на использовании своей карты (
http://www.tdog2014.com/)
[22:29:40] <SergeyA> ующей карте.
[22:31:16] <Zverik> SergeyA: хорошо, попробуем
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